Seems the lighter ban is more resilient and has better stretch characteristics , sounded more tuned and less stressed , Im impressed , you only lost a few feet a second and only working with 8 pounds vs 23 pounds ! I like getting the same results with less work ! 👍👍
Wat I found was heavier bands wit a roughly matched ammo travels a lot further and for hunting on impact a lot of the time it’s still enuf power to dispatch your game.. Love yourself tips and I take tem very serious and you’ve helped loads merry Christmas 🎄 from Ireland ☘️👍🏻
Thanks for the video Nathan, it will help many people still struggling with their setups. I know I did, untill I sought your advice 😉 Oh, I will only add that for 5/16 ammo, one can go way lower in draw weight for target shooting. I go around 6 pounds, but of course I am not getting those speeds! All personal preference of course!
Problem is, that even when they do it, their brain refuses to explain the facts correctly. That goes for both motorcycle counter steering and slingshoots 😁 Of course this video will help a TON those who still search for their ideal setup!
We used to just find a nice branch , 2 rubbers, and leather. That's all there was to making a slingshot. That's all we needed. And if you think about it, it's really not that complicated. If your rubber is too long or too short, it will still do the job.
Thank you so much, I'm new to slingshot shooting,but I'm having a blast learning new great information and getting better all the time.Thank you again very helpful 😁
The greatest thing about slingshooting is the feeling of improvement each time you shoot. My flights are about 25-50 rounds each, and when I begin to miss a lot, I'll decide I'm through, getting tired or just tired of resetting cans and targets. Sometimes a session will be 500 rounds or more.
this Slingshot stuff is cooler than I thought.. Excited. Ordered the ocularis and scout Lt. Going to try both. have a daughter that wants to shoot anyway.
I'm new to slingshots with an archery background - great video, very well explained. so my - 20-12, 0.75 bands are probably ok for general use with steel/clay 8mm ammo - I was thinking on going 1mm but now looks like a silly idea.
@@einsteind You said you were thinking about going 1mm? That's the part we didn't catch. The size is totally up to you! Chinese shooters have been raising the bar with small ammo lately, so don't shy away from larger ammo unless you really need to hit hard.
Pro tip: buy your steel ammo on amazon. I buy 500 3/8 ammo for around $13. 200 1/2 ammo for around $16 I buy simpleshot's die cut bands. I believe I usually shoot 15mm×22mm. Either the 2and or 3rd band width up on simpleshot site works great for 3/8. I use 3rd or 4th size....I believe 22mm-25mm for my 1/2. I prefer lighter bands for more accurate and fun shooting but it will tell you on their site which bands match which ammo size
11mm steel is the best. For over 15 years of slingshot hunitng experience, i know for a fact that the blunt force trauma is the factor here. If you want to hit a rabbit head consistently you need a good normal mouth bow anchor point. No butterfly style of shooting is included here. Ideal would be 10 mm lead but its much harder to get and more expensive. Over that weight you will get unnecessary trajectory loss. 11 mm steel is 5.5 grams and kills every time if hit in rabbit head. 8 mm steel, 2 grams does not, belive me i have tried. I also recommend 1745 tubes over bands for 11 mm steel. Because you get atleast 10-15 times more shots before they brake. Also you dont have to mess with cutting tapered bands all day long. And the speed is fairly the same compared to thera band gold. So my advice is 11 mm steel and 1745 tubes :)
Great video as always, Nathan. I have a question about the thickness of the bands, I got GZK Black 1mm bands, and they're quite taxing. I am right eye dominant, but I have to hold the slingshot in my right hand cause it makes it more stable. What is the thickness of the bands you're using?
I am looking to shoot rocks. What band thickness would I need? I am well aware of what it is like to shoot rocks and that I need a bigger pouch. I am getting back into slingshots. Also, in your opinion, which slingshot would be more ideal for rocks, The Scout XT or the Axiom Ocularis? or maybe neither. Rocks will probably be on the heavy side.
Go for wide fork tips! Sign up for notifications on these pouches: simple-shot.com/accessories/3q21004x/rockstar-pouch-latigo-leather-3-pack to be notified when they are back!
Several people have done this, but it is different for each shooters draw length and elongation percentage being used. Not to mention other factors such as temp and humidity.
@@simpleshot could you link their findings? Would be great to have a dataset even for just one draw length. Ideally you could make one for all variables band thickness, draw length, taper and ammunition. I come from the airgun world and while I appreciate there is a lot of variables to consider I find it surprising no one appears to have done a comprehensive data sheet for all the factors. It would be nice to at least be able to answer the question of what band thickness görs best with what ammo. Cheers! :)
Yo Barney. Have still got it?...I can do you one for the Barnett Cobra, 'not too dissimilar. It was crap. I never got anywhere with it. My OTT, my Hathcock Sniper and my cheap as chips Frameless all kick ass. Personally I'd flog it and get something that can hit stuff?
@@slimtheowl That's a shame dude. If it's based on a Barnett piece! No doubt some guys got good (ish) with them...but that would be a struggle...because they're kak! ; ) Maybe try a flatbander later? Put the time in and there's a grin waiting. Try over water. You find yourself enjoying the misses as much as the hits, which can hold your interest as you climb.
We don't use TBG any more since there are much better latex options available now (in our humble opinion). TBG will still work for sure and if we had some kicking around collecting dust, we'd sure make bands out of it. As with everything slingshots, try both tapers and see which one you like better! Have fun!
There's more to the answer than just long or short. The important thing is the whole system. Match bands to ammo and do what works best for YOU to product top accuracy. Long bands with the wrong ammo will fail. Short bands with the wrong ammo will fail.
Right I got what you were saying, but how do I actually decide without buying the bands? GZK bands are super expensive and I don't want to just splash out on all the different types just to try them. Also how do I decide the thickness, taper, etc?
Good day Mr., there is a new idea recently among sling shooters that, even for heavy ammo, more thin bands would work better than heavy bands. For instance, a 1mm GZK band would shoot slower than 2 layers of 0.50mm of the same brand, would you say this is true? Have you tested this? Thanks for the video, I learn a lot from your channel.
We actually love this about slingshots... there's always something new to discover. We actually find that double layer bandsets do not perform as well as we'd like and therefore we are retiring our double bandset line. Thanks for your support and check out our latest video on double bandsets!
I have a bobcat problem on my organic farm. I've hit it with my wally world special through my coop yard fence, lol!!! Don't wanna kill it, just wanna make it not wanna come back. Same with possum and raccoons. Best slingshot and ammo...what do you reccommend??
Unfortunately, hitting them in the butt with a non lethal projectile is not likely to stop the behavior. You have nice things for them to eat! We can't recommend using a slingshot for this problem.
That's an Axiom Ocularis Yellow Jacket. It is one of our older models that is no longer made. We do have other versions of the Axiom Ocularis. Here is a direct link to them. simple-shot.com/products/axiom-ocularis
I am having some real problems with my Bands snapping continuously by the pouch tie point ..right by it im using Snipersling in .8 mostly and was cutting it pretty wide at 35 to 25 over a 7 inch active Band length ( people say too much elastic but with 9.5 steel you get a terrifically flat trajectory and some right knockdown Joules of energy on target) like i say though it keeps snapping..I cut my elastic down to 30 to 22 with a 7 inch active length and its still fast enough to do the job But still snaps all the time ..Any Tips or is it just one of the Hazards with using Natural Latex Bands with Dye in them to retard the uvBreakdown ?
Bands are going to break, sure, but it sounds like you're having more trouble than you should. If they are breaking at the tie-in, that is likely the issue. You may be tying too tight or stretching too hard when you are tying in. Be careful to not bruise / damage the latex when you are tying them! simple-shot.com/products/die-cut-flatband-strips
@@simpleshot Thankyou you know It has Completely escaped me at times that im dealing with a Natural Product and like a piece of fruit when you mention Bruising the latex Mmmm ! Good Point that cheers makes a lot of sense that cheers
@john wilson Seems to me that your anchor point and extended arm length determine all measurements, coming from your arm length and shooting style. I haven't seen anyone comparing apples to apples here.
The band needs to be matched to the actual mass of the clay ball. We group our bands according to steel sizes, so you'd need to convert your clay to a similar weight steel to figure it out. Likely you'd not want more than any 3/8 bandset we offer. 1/2 inch steel is very effective for hunting, but a well-placed shot with 3/8 steel is all it takes. Clay balls are a great idea, but they do tend to vary a lot from one piece to the next. It's pretty tough to be accurate when the ammo mass fluctuates. Just keep an eye on that.
@@simpleshot thanks The purpose of this set up is to cull pigeons inside of 15 feet without having to clean up (the cats will take the birds). I might occasionally use rocks for very close range shots. Do you think the ocularis is a good choice for me?
Sure. You can find our bands matched to 3/8 inch ammo at our site: General purpose (longer lifespan) simple-shot.com/accessories/general-purpose-slingshot-flatbands/ Performance (shorter lifespan, faster FPS) simple-shot.com/accessories/performance-slingshot-flatbands/
30/25 or 25/20 mm tapered theraband gold. Cut them for maximum power. They won't last quite as long as a 'boring' cut......but the speed and thump with 9.5 steel is deadly. 25/20 is ample for target practice , but I go 30/25 for dinner. 😉
Love how simple shot website tells you everything about the band's, matching ammo etc. An excellent start for new people. Cheers
Seems the lighter ban is more resilient and has better stretch characteristics , sounded more tuned and less stressed , Im impressed , you only lost a few feet a second and only working with 8 pounds vs 23 pounds ! I like getting the same results with less work ! 👍👍
Now that's proper information. Well done. You know your stuff.
Wat I found was heavier bands wit a roughly matched ammo travels a lot further and for hunting on impact a lot of the time it’s still enuf power to dispatch your game..
Love yourself tips and I take tem very serious and you’ve helped loads merry Christmas 🎄 from Ireland ☘️👍🏻
Thanks for the video Nathan, it will help many people still struggling with their setups. I know I did, untill I sought your advice 😉
Oh, I will only add that for 5/16 ammo, one can go way lower in draw weight for target shooting. I go around 6 pounds, but of course I am not getting those speeds! All personal preference of course!
Great vid. It’s like counter steering on a motorcycle, you don’t really believe it till you do it. See you soon, fellas.
Nice. Hopefully more will experience this now!
Problem is, that even when they do it, their brain refuses to explain the facts correctly. That goes for both motorcycle counter steering and slingshoots 😁 Of course this video will help a TON those who still search for their ideal setup!
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@@simpleshot is a 1mm latex bands good enough for 9.5 lead ammo
This is exactly what I've been looking for! Great job, I have found the experts I've needed...
We used to just find a nice branch , 2 rubbers, and leather. That's all there was to making a slingshot. That's all we needed. And if you think about it, it's really not that complicated. If your rubber is too long or too short, it will still do the job.
Thank you so much, I'm new to slingshot shooting,but I'm having a blast learning new great information and getting better all the time.Thank you again very helpful 😁
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The greatest thing about slingshooting is the feeling of improvement each time you shoot. My flights are about 25-50 rounds each, and when I begin to miss a lot, I'll decide I'm through, getting tired or just tired of resetting cans and targets. Sometimes a session will be 500 rounds or more.
this Slingshot stuff is cooler than I thought.. Excited. Ordered the ocularis and scout Lt. Going to try both. have a daughter that wants to shoot anyway.
This exactly what I needed to learn. Thanks mate
Appreciate you explaining every detail.
I'm new to slingshots with an archery background - great video, very well explained. so my - 20-12, 0.75 bands are probably ok for general use with steel/clay 8mm ammo - I was thinking on going 1mm but now looks like a silly idea.
Welcome, Edward!
Do you mean 10mm?
they are 8mm as they seem to be the most popular and easiest to buy here in shanghai china. can switch to 10mm if its better.
thanks for your reply
@@einsteind You said you were thinking about going 1mm? That's the part we didn't catch.
The size is totally up to you! Chinese shooters have been raising the bar with small ammo lately, so don't shy away from larger ammo unless you really need to hit hard.
@@einsteind Absolutely. Glad to help!
All the best and welcome to the slingshot world!
Pro tip: buy your steel ammo on amazon. I buy 500 3/8 ammo for around $13. 200 1/2 ammo for around $16
I buy simpleshot's die cut bands. I believe I usually shoot 15mm×22mm. Either the 2and or 3rd band width up on simpleshot site works great for 3/8. I use 3rd or 4th size....I believe 22mm-25mm for my 1/2. I prefer lighter bands for more accurate and fun shooting but it will tell you on their site which bands match which ammo size
11mm steel is the best. For over 15 years of slingshot hunitng experience, i know for a fact that the blunt force trauma is the factor here. If you want to hit a rabbit head consistently you need a good normal mouth bow anchor point. No butterfly style of shooting is included here. Ideal would be 10 mm lead but its much harder to get and more expensive. Over that weight you will get unnecessary trajectory loss. 11 mm steel is 5.5 grams and kills every time if hit in rabbit head. 8 mm steel, 2 grams does not, belive me i have tried. I also recommend 1745 tubes over bands for 11 mm steel. Because you get atleast 10-15 times more shots before they brake. Also you dont have to mess with cutting tapered bands all day long. And the speed is fairly the same compared to thera band gold. So my advice is 11 mm steel and 1745 tubes :)
Great info right there.
A lot man in this ideas. But You're #1!!! Thanks and good luck!
Great video as always, Nathan. I have a question about the thickness of the bands, I got GZK Black 1mm bands, and they're quite taxing. I am right eye dominant, but I have to hold the slingshot in my right hand cause it makes it more stable. What is the thickness of the bands you're using?
I dont use safty glasses but i cant be botherd, but im wondering if you have actually hit them in your time of shooting
Yes, they can be hit. It just depends on the individuals anchor point.
How about the penetration test. heavy bands vs lighter bands with light ammo.
Thank you, we will keep this in mind.
Another great video ! I'm a believer .
What thickness band can i use for 10mm steel ball? Please reply someone
A .7mm thick latex is pretty much a do all thickness. You will need to play with the tapers to find what is best for you.
Is a .8 mm band tapered from 20mm to 12 mm suitable with 8 mm steel ammo
That is much too much band for 8mm steel ammo. Our 8mm bands are .5mm thick latex and a taper of 12mm-18mm.
I am looking to shoot rocks. What band thickness would I need? I am well aware of what it is like to shoot rocks and that I need a bigger pouch. I am getting back into slingshots. Also, in your opinion, which slingshot would be more ideal for rocks, The Scout XT or the Axiom Ocularis? or maybe neither. Rocks will probably be on the heavy side.
Go for wide fork tips!
Sign up for notifications on these pouches: simple-shot.com/accessories/3q21004x/rockstar-pouch-latigo-leather-3-pack to be notified when they are back!
This was very helpful. Thanks.
What kind of bands are the orange ones?
That is Precise brand latex.
I'd love to see a datasheet with recommended thickness (tapers too ideally!) for different weight / caliber ammo.
Several people have done this, but it is different for each shooters draw length and elongation percentage being used. Not to mention other factors such as temp and humidity.
@@simpleshot could you link their findings?
Would be great to have a dataset even for just one draw length.
Ideally you could make one for all variables band thickness, draw length, taper and ammunition.
I come from the airgun world and while I appreciate there is a lot of variables to consider I find it surprising no one appears to have done a comprehensive data sheet for all the factors.
It would be nice to at least be able to answer the question of what band thickness görs best with what ammo.
Cheers! :)
Can you do a review on the Barnett Diablo pro?
Yo Barney. Have still got it?...I can do you one for the Barnett Cobra, 'not too dissimilar. It was crap. I never got anywhere with it. My OTT, my Hathcock Sniper and my cheap as chips Frameless all kick ass. Personally I'd flog it and get something that can hit stuff?
@@grassblade2 Hi I just moved to air rifles..No slingshot crap anymore
@@slimtheowl That's a shame dude. If it's based on a Barnett piece! No doubt some guys got good (ish) with them...but that would be a struggle...because they're kak! ; ) Maybe try a flatbander later? Put the time in and there's a grin waiting. Try over water. You find yourself enjoying the misses as much as the hits, which can hold your interest as you climb.
Whats a good size for a small band
These videos don't play past a certain point. Every other video on TH-cam plays full length except SimplShot's. Anyone else have this issue?
Yes I've been trying to watch this but it wont load much past halfway.
i do, it doesnt load fully but my internet is still normal and other videos are just fine
I've no problem with it.
which band thickness to shoot abs and clay ammunations ?
Great video. What's your favorite ammo (size and material) for target shooting?
Great information
Thanks!
Is Theraband GOLD, good for 5/16 round?? I was thinking taper cut at 1 1/8" to 3/4" until i heard ya say 1 1/4" to 3/4".
Videos are great!👍👀
We don't use TBG any more since there are much better latex options available now (in our humble opinion). TBG will still work for sure and if we had some kicking around collecting dust, we'd sure make bands out of it.
As with everything slingshots, try both tapers and see which one you like better! Have fun!
@Ian I've NEVER paid that much for it. Fleabay.
Brother,which system is better for hunting a dove ie.long rubber shooting or short rubber shooting....?
There's more to the answer than just long or short. The important thing is the whole system. Match bands to ammo and do what works best for YOU to product top accuracy. Long bands with the wrong ammo will fail. Short bands with the wrong ammo will fail.
That was very informative! Thanks 👍
Glad it was helpful!
At what thickness you all call heavy? 0.8 and up?
That will depend on the taper. You can shoot some heavy ammo with the .7mm thick latex if you use a wider taper.
Thanks a lot man, didnt expect you to answer. I got to learn many things watching your content. I Appreciated it
You are very welcome. We try to answer all questions, but our priority is the live chats on our website, so it is best to go there with questions.
but what is the perfect band set and ammo to kill a zombie? collab with zombie go boom or jeorg sprave
What are the thicknesses of the bands for 1/4 inch ammo? If possible in metric :)
We've just revamped our bandset lineup. Now, you can find our 1/4 inch offering in just two simple options and both are .5mm.
Thanks !
Great video!
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
How to aiming sir
All I want to figure out is what bands I need to shoot 3/8 size steel Balls :/ this is so confusing to me lol .
We classify our bandsets by that exact standard! Check out our bandsets. We have bands specifically for 3/8 steel!
My head is spinning from trying to convert fractions to metric units.
my head is spinning from numbers
bands prise?
Right I got what you were saying, but how do I actually decide without buying the bands? GZK bands are super expensive and I don't want to just splash out on all the different types just to try them. Also how do I decide the thickness, taper, etc?
Thanks for the info sir
What result shall you got with a nitro band and for exemple 5 gram lead bullet?
it will very much depend on your draw length. The best option is to try it out. 😉
I like very much your videos.
Thanks about explanation.
Can l buy this slingshot ?
I leave in Brazil it's possible
So, if I'm wanting to shoot 1/4" or 6mm up to 3/8" or 9mm ammo.
How would I figure out how many bands I would need if I'm chaining rubber bands.
What about tubes?
Good day Mr., there is a new idea recently among sling shooters that, even for heavy ammo, more thin bands would work better than heavy bands. For instance, a 1mm GZK band would shoot slower than 2 layers of 0.50mm of the same brand, would you say this is true? Have you tested this? Thanks for the video, I learn a lot from your channel.
We actually love this about slingshots... there's always something new to discover.
We actually find that double layer bandsets do not perform as well as we'd like and therefore we are retiring our double bandset line.
Thanks for your support and check out our latest video on double bandsets!
Wonderful!!!!!!
Great video
I have a bobcat problem on my organic farm. I've hit it with my wally world special through my coop yard fence, lol!!! Don't wanna kill it, just wanna make it not wanna come back. Same with possum and raccoons. Best slingshot and ammo...what do you reccommend??
Unfortunately, hitting them in the butt with a non lethal projectile is not likely to stop the behavior. You have nice things for them to eat! We can't recommend using a slingshot for this problem.
@@simpleshot I was afraid you'd say that.
What is the name of this Slingshot you have in this video!
That's an Axiom Ocularis Yellow Jacket. It is one of our older models that is no longer made. We do have other versions of the Axiom Ocularis. Here is a direct link to them.
simple-shot.com/products/axiom-ocularis
But do heavier bands last longer?
Small ammo and big bands (the black ones shown in the video) -> your bands will not last very long. Too much energy for 5/16.
I am having some real problems with my Bands snapping continuously by the pouch tie point ..right by it im using Snipersling in .8 mostly and was cutting it pretty wide at 35 to 25 over a 7 inch active Band length ( people say too much elastic but with 9.5 steel you get a terrifically flat trajectory and some right knockdown Joules of energy on target) like i say though it keeps snapping..I cut my elastic down to 30 to 22 with a 7 inch active length and its still fast enough to do the job But still snaps all the time ..Any Tips or is it just one of the Hazards with using Natural Latex Bands with Dye in them to retard the uvBreakdown ?
Bands are going to break, sure, but it sounds like you're having more trouble than you should.
If they are breaking at the tie-in, that is likely the issue. You may be tying too tight or stretching too hard when you are tying in. Be careful to not bruise / damage the latex when you are tying them!
simple-shot.com/products/die-cut-flatband-strips
@@simpleshot Thankyou you know It has Completely escaped me at times that im dealing with a Natural Product and like a piece of fruit when you mention Bruising the latex Mmmm ! Good Point that cheers makes a lot of sense that cheers
What bands would you suggest for 10mm lead at 28 inch draw as im not good with the maths myself lol
Tbg 30/20 maxed out.
@john wilson Seems to me that your anchor point and extended arm length determine all measurements, coming from your arm length and shooting style.
I haven't seen anyone comparing apples to apples here.
Gotta train up to a 50lb draw so none of my friends can fool around with my slingshot.
Hah! Enjoy aiming with that kind of draw! We'd be impressed!
Only tip video i can see . SimpleShot's videos are very usefully , but other videos what you said is too fast ,. Thank you !
What bands are recommended for clay balls? And which caliber is better for shooting feral pigeons - 3/8 or 1/2 inch?
The band needs to be matched to the actual mass of the clay ball. We group our bands according to steel sizes, so you'd need to convert your clay to a similar weight steel to figure it out. Likely you'd not want more than any 3/8 bandset we offer. 1/2 inch steel is very effective for hunting, but a well-placed shot with 3/8 steel is all it takes.
Clay balls are a great idea, but they do tend to vary a lot from one piece to the next. It's pretty tough to be accurate when the ammo mass fluctuates. Just keep an eye on that.
@@simpleshot thanks
The purpose of this set up is to cull pigeons inside of 15 feet without having to clean up (the cats will take the birds). I might occasionally use rocks for very close range shots. Do you think the ocularis is a good choice for me?
Could you tell me what‘s the best match for .374in steelball？
Sure. You can find our bands matched to 3/8 inch ammo at our site:
General purpose (longer lifespan) simple-shot.com/accessories/general-purpose-slingshot-flatbands/
Performance (shorter lifespan, faster FPS) simple-shot.com/accessories/performance-slingshot-flatbands/
30/25 or 25/20 mm tapered theraband gold. Cut them for maximum power. They won't last quite as long as a 'boring' cut......but the speed and thump with 9.5 steel is deadly. 25/20 is ample for target practice , but I go 30/25 for dinner. 😉
not the best comparison because the bands are of different materials. Doesn't convince me based on this alone.
I like turtle
Yeah, Turtles are really cool!
I wish there were subtitles to translate all of this into the metric system, lol
با درود فراوان....ایا شرکت شما در ایران نمایندگی فروش دارد ؟؟؟
We are based in Woodfin, North Carolina in the United States of America.
@@simpleshot 😍😍😍😘😘😘😗
Data 👍
Glad you like it.
*No point in shooting heavier band with light ammo* - quote
Yeh thanks for the video, the rest of the planet uses metric.