Even if we plant forests in place of old ones we have to plant multiple species that serve that environment properly (no monoculture) and we have have to build an understory. Fertilizer at the levels we use and in the production method we use is disastrous and actually can kill species and cause biodiversity loss. We have to improve soil quality restore peatlands, it's so many levels. I loved this discussion, best ever.
Agree on the need for reforesting and a range of spp. There was bit of research that emphasised reforesting an area the size of Australia would absorb around a billion tonnes of CO2 per year out of more than 40 billion tonnes from fossil fuels per year. Positive feedacks continue though with the loss of permafrost, Arctic sea ice, ocean stratifcation slowing down phytoplankton growth, thermal expansion of the oceans and parts of the Amazon ecoming a net emitter of carbon. The cuts needed in carbon are huge as is the need for a significant change in land management. . On fertilizer we pushed for a tapering carbon budget with intermediate targets for Scotland's 2019 climate bill but they refused to include it.
From UK: It is not just reforestation we need we also need to restore the soil as we have destroyed half the soil on the planet since the industrial revolution. Soil is even better than forest to sequester carbon dioxide. There are many restoration projects around the world using simple techniques that have had fantastic results turning desert to healthy soil in only 5 years! Nature just needs a little help! People can help themselves here too, we need to spread the knowledge of farming without chemicals and industrialisation, on a local scale using the people, not exploitative mega corporations and their enslaving tactics...
Hooray! So glad do see NM talking about this at last! The climate crisis is only one subset of the ecological crisis. This is a direct result of an economic system based on profit - capitalism is the cause, everything else is a symptom.
Actually, all of the polititards that are on the left, right, middle, and fringe are a part of the problem, especially those that rebel against YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word.
Just finished the interview. This was both terrifying in terms of setting out the scale of the problem, but also motivating and energising. I'll definitely have to keep an eye out for this book
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces It's not "the left" forecasting environmental catastrophe. It's the entire scientific community whose lives are devoted to the study of the world around us. The only thing the left is doing different is actually listening.
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces . Because Land, i.e. the earth's resources that we depend on, is predominantly owned/stolen by a rich minority who exploit it for their own purposes, using most of everybody else as slaves. Society has no control over this exploitation because the politicians who make the laws are accomplices to the land owners in this crime.
The car industry is a market that needs to be totally remodelled. The energy and resource requirements for the cars are crazy. They are also encouraged to be changed regularly. If we think of them as things that are meant to last at least 50 to 100 years like houses, then the energy expenditure will make much more sense
Yep, just switching from fossil fuel powered cars to electric will do little or nothing to help the environment if nothing else changes. More people need to be able to manage without cars through public transport, walkable cities, and good cycling infrastructure. Then the cars people do own need to last way longer. It's ridiculous that modern cars are often only really expected to last like 10 years or so.
That's a really good point. They should be made with more forward thinking. Problem is they don't wanna R&D for better, more carbon neutral materials when current material suffices for their profit goals. So be it. It's too bad starting a car company has way too much overhead or greener competition would've stomped their asses by now.
Where I live in the U.S., we are lucky to see one bumble bee each year. Haven’t seen a honeybee in years, and hummingbirds are few and far between. No pollinators, no food. It’s that simple.
@alex kennedy luckily the oceans are limitless and totally unafected by over fishing, pollution, acidification right? Coral Reefs never looked so good right?
Laurie’s first point in replying to Aaron’s question, what can people do?, is arguably the most important. Learn about the true scale and nature of the problem. Important, in the sense that if that understanding can be scaled up to become general consensus in the entire global population, then the paradigm shift required to mitigate the crisis is inevitable.
The most lucid, articulate assessment of the situation I've heard in a long time. Democracy is too refractory a system to respond in the time frame afforded us, as a result the default becomes barbarism.
Nice that you guys have decided here to also talk about more global and general problems besides your usual concentration on the troubles of the current Labour Party
What a strange conversation. It keeps going from “The world is irreversibly and exponentially ending” to “We could do this, though.” It’s over. The most honest video would be just three blokes sobbing. Anything more is just witterings into the abyss.
No it’s not, being a vegan, yet still having the culture of excessive consumption, getting what you want when you want is not gonna change anything, just move the problem elsewhere. There’s people I know who eat a little meat in an entirely localised and seasonal diet that are way more environmentally friendly than a lot of vegans I know who eat out of season exotic food all year round. Such a misleading claim that veganism solves it all
@@beachboss7320 Can you provide a study that shows that local meat is less carbon intensive than vegetables from the other side of the world? The studies I've seen suggest that transporting food only adds up to 5-10% to emissions whereas switching to a vegetarian diet halves the average person's diet-related carbon emissions.
@@ProfessorEGadd I think your missing the point. Meat is obviously more carbon intensive than veg I’m not debating that at all, but what I’m saying is that’s not the be all and end all nor does it mean your solving the problem just because you gone vegan. If you ate meat in moderation, I.e only a few days a month, and had a local seasonal diet your gonna be having less of an impact than a vegan who’s eating out of season veg, soy and palm oil intensive products from across the world on the daily. There’s a lot of debate on it and studies either way look it up, but I think people make the assumption your comparing to the average meat eater who eats meat daily. Some people rear there own chickens, eat the meat once a month or so, get local veg. It’s really plain common sense that they’re polluting less than someone eating avacados in the Uk everyday. My point is a cultural shift is more impactful than just cutting out meat. The whole world simply going vegan, but still demanding this fast food instant gratification culture is not gonna solve the climate crisis, it’ll shift the problem elsewhere.
@@beachboss7320 @beachboss "that’s not the be all and end all nor does it mean your solving the problem just because you gone vegan." - Well no shit lmao. Guess what? Most vegans would be fine with your 99% vegan raise-your-own-chickens diet. That's cool. But seeing a response to "go vegan" that promotes a almost-fantasy-land version of a meat eating diet which almost nobody actually eats _and which is almost entirely vegan anyway_ gets really boring really fast. If that's what you think is a good meat-eating diet then we're on the same side. You should be saying YES! Go vegan! Or at least go as vegan as you can! "It’s really plain common sense that they’re polluting less than someone eating avacados in the Uk everyday." - Data please. I could just as easily say that raising chickens is inefficient (because they spend lots of the calories they eat on making bones we can't eat and being alive) and that shipping food internationally is effeicient (because ships can carry thousands of tonnes of avocados at once). That seems like common sense to me. And all that is based on the most extreme comparison possible of daily international avocados vs. subsisting on the meerest scent of a garden chicken. _On average_ a vegan diet is less polluting, so _for most people_ "go vegan" is good advice. No need to get defensive about your one friend. This isn't all about you.
@@ProfessorEGadd bit of an aggressive response... obviously touched a nerve. I’m not saying everyone raise a chicken, I’m saying you can eat meat a few times a month, eat local and be fine dunno why that bothers you so much get a grip
Industrial civilization and the psychology that created it is the problem. The remedy? The end of industrial civilization and the psychology that created it. How we get there is anyone's guess. Our entire power structure and culture is in denial of reality. Meanwhile we are racing toward inevitable collapse like Thelma and Louise.
To avert climate chaos: Mass reforestation, end petrol use, grow microalgae in photobioreactors, change resource extraction to selection logging & fishing. This is all labour intensive & we all need jobs, with a livable wage, BTW.
Why are you asking me to like and subscribe when I haven’t even watched the video yet? Cant Blindly agree to support the content without watching the content
I have the feeling that some very important stuff is being discussed here, but the language used is so dense and jargonised I don’t understand what is being said. I’ll need to watch this several times. A simple message from me though - go Vegan. Today. Environmental collapse is driven by animal agriculture. Bolsonaru’s burning fires and deforestation is just a response to market demand. And he isn’t a bad actor here - the whole world is burning and deforesting. We are losing wildlife at 3% per year. Which means megafauna will be all gone by 2026. And it is down to what we put in our shopping basket. And that is entirely down to us to decide. Which is great - because we do t need governments for this. Just do it.
The car industry not only actively promoted the car, Ford stated his aim was to make the car affordable for the average person while Rickerfeller encouraged Ford to switch from electric cars to internal combustion engines. The car and oil industry also bought out public transport infrastructure and mothballed them while Beeching shut down much of the regional railways. See the film "Bikes versus Cars" and consider a film screening. This can be reversed very quickly by scaling up cleaner buses begining in major towns and cities and limiting speeds to 20 mph. Given that half of us live in urban environments and we are declining in car manufacturing the government should be supporting bus buiding. Compressed air buses limited to 20 mph would be more suitable for cities and would have a cooling effect on temperature, while electric buses would be better for intermediate and longer distances between towns and cities. The heat from compressing air for transport can also be added to district heating systems.
Great conversation. I would be interested to hear a conversation between Aaron and Rupert Read. Both have released books on this subject, with different views but with similar objectives and philosophic outlook. It would be good to hear both explore these ideas together.
Fossil fuels have been a blessing for mankind helping accelerate the move from abject poverty to modernity Their time is running out over the next 30-50 years solar and especially wind power will take most of the market for energy As for bio diversity and all that stuff because don't care most people are happy to eat meat and that's not going to change especially not with a government mandate
From UK: The only solution to the climate crisis is to repair the soil of our planet. This is because we have destroyed half the soil of the planet since the industrial revolution. The soil is the best absorber of CO2 on the planet today. The climate is controlled by the relationship between the forests, the land and the oceans. That relationship has been broken. Restoration projects around the world using only manpower and simple techniques and knowledge, have proved amazingly successful, because Nature only needs a little help. Turning desert into productive soil without chemicals! all in only 5 years... The elephant in the room is agribusiness which has not only accelerated the destruction but has added poisons never seen on the earth which has poisoned not only the flora and fauna but us as well... Grass roots restoration of worthless land also gives the people of the world a chance for self sustainability...
Why not just put the Earth on Universal Credit? I mean, y'know, surely a 'work coach' is sufficiently qualified in Climate Breakdown to properly assess the situation and manage it effectively with sanctions. Job done. Edit; although maybe now isn't a good time as they are probably going on strike due to disagreements over face-to-face interviews in these Covid times.
commenting just to help the robotic algorithm. With a child taunting tune "I am human... you are not. I am a human... you are a bot. You will live forever, I will die and rot. I am a human tick tock tot" Downstream Key.... Get Outta Jail key on the average prof vision mixing console. Very cool.
Eco-fascism is definitely growing and there is a definite thread amongst heathenry (I am not saying most heathens are racist at all), when you consider Odinism and it's growth in the US and the UK and also in Europe
Too hot Climate change Too cold Climate change Windy Climate change Rainy Climate change Ok it does have an impact but I think the loss of habitat and endless development is much more important people look at climate change and link it to every extreme weather phenomenon
Hey guys, I have nothing to add so I thought I'll paste this instead, just in case any1 require a - pick me up :) [racists/tribalism excluded] The Lord and Saviour Refreshes. A decade prior to arriving at Harper Adams University, I'd already had my own family and managed an independent lifestyle - ascending from a Disadvantaged-Inner-London-City, the reason I decided to attend HAU to study was due to personal reasons. Harper provided an opportunity for a fresh start to avoid the London noise and distractions so to attend university as a mature student, something I'd previously missed out on because of starting my family early [priceless]. Long-Short, HAU's social experience was an utter disaster because of this and that reasons. Despite my inconducive social experience at Harper; not only did I successfully get onto a course whose content I love and still very much enjoy at an ivy league agricultural university; out of four other options, inc. Aberystwyth uni, I went about and attained QUALITY, industry, understanding across the board, and 'bang-on' hands-on experience, too! Also, I directly influenced the curriculum due to my tenacity and drive, the idea to introduce mandatory public speaking in order to bolster confidence and to boost one's astuteness. With utmost humility, I think, overall - given the experienced challenges, I performed well by accomplishing the primary goal of my dreams. Now, The Stars?
I just wish that when explaining theroies such as this, the commentators and advocates could not machinegun the audience with highly academic jargonised language that alienates the audience.
I can see why people are drawn to eco-socialism, there is a stewardship/ethical vibe going on in there. For me personally though, what should be good idea tends to wander down a bit of a weird path and a lot of the people surrounding the movement seem more like secular versions of bible bashing doom mongers than anything else. Religion or non, there has never been a correct end of the world prediction. The movement in theory could be a force for good but the wrong people are at the helm and that is putting off otherwise sympathetic people, not to mention there is a lot of baggage tied up with socialism which again is going to put people off. The term “Eco-Socialism” itself is a branding nightmare, combine that with drum circles and old crusty nudists called “Sunshine Abercock Lupus Rizla” and the movement is functionally still born.
Thing is, people like their "Fordist" cars. Especially post Corvid. Personally I like buses and push bikes. However, it is too easy to blame everything on the world capitalist PR complex, even if they are to blame. ER for instance make achieving consensus less likely when they glue themselves to banks of trains. We need more empathy and understanding not more polarization. Radical change will require radical honesty and radical respect for other peoples views and opinions.
So the planet is burning, but I have to have respect for ill informed morons who want to throw petrol on the fire. Maybe those folk from er who glue themselves to trains have it wrong- maybe the situation demands more than that. Today's headline: "glaciers melting twice as fast as 20 years ago" this kind of stuff puts us on an apocalyptic trajectory for anyone under the age of thirty. The time for 'radical honesty' is always now but the time for 'radical respect' for other peoples views and opinions is long past when those views and opinions are of the 'sure it ain't that Bad it was snowing last week where's the global warming there?' variety. It seems to me that the good guys are always respectin and the arseholes causing the damage are laughing as they shit over everythin for their blind profit. . . We need radical alright. Stopping the whole crazy circus radical. Ten years ago a professor of climate physics, contributor to the ipcc, a respected academic at the cutting edge of research in his field told me that things were much worse than the ipcc could agree to report. He said getting 190 countries to agree and sign off on anything was near impossible and therefore any ipcc report with its predictions and scenarios for climate change were massively watered down. That we had already, in his opinion, passed many 'tipping points' and were already well on the way to climate change pushing 4 degrees by century end. This was ten years ago. It has only got worse. I laughed at him and said he was a bit pessimistic surely - what am I gonna teach my kids about this? His reply? Teach them how to use a gun. . .
@@tconbo4514 My point was not that the situation is not grave but that we have be intelligence led in order to change our course.Maybe some people are "morons", the point of public demonstrations is to change the hearts and minds of people in the middle. I simply am not convinced this can be done by acts of justifiable public vandalism. In the end, we need a mass movement, not a fight with the cops, which we will lose.
I love the idea of cooperative energy startups, as a technologist this might be more interesting than building apps for capitalists. There is lots of challenges though, for example building technology is so resource intensive and time consuming. Without an appropriate funding model it will be hard to sustain especially with the rise of cost of living. I'm self funding my startup right now in AI and the cost of experimenting is growing exponentially 😭 It is definitely something I would consider especially as the cost of solar panels is decreasing and there are many other green energy sources that are still in an experimental phase that could be helpful to communities such as alternative chemical and mechanical batteries, liquid cooled capacitors and totally green server infrastructure. Labour council in Nottingham borrowed a billion pounds to create a competing energy company that failed massively. Imagine if they invested it into local energy startups in partnership with the universities.
Ok let me explain why eco socialism will never work 1. Socialism results in high taxes that are terrible for new business. So less opurtunities 2. Socialism always fails long-term. And that's a fact you can see it throughout history 3. It holds a complete lack of understanding about human utility. 4. Taxes render individual earning potential useless. 5. Socialists are largely in favor of international trade (globalization) which is terrible for the environment. 6. It can result in successful established businesses being nationalized and losing their immense power for technological and human development.
Love him or hate him, Elon Musk has been advancing green technologies. Love capitalism or hate capitalism, once industrialists find a profit motive in carbon capture then progress will be made. Do we really have time to fix this via radical social change? We might have to bargain with the devil to avoid catastrophe. Plenty of time for radical social change after that. I suspect it's not either/or. If this gets solved it might be via both political/social/economic and technological changes all in parallel. My point though is that technological change seems to (increasingly) happen faster than political/social/economic change - and we don't have much time.
@@_....J........................ no - just being realistic. I don't think there is enough time to overturn global capitalism before the planet is trashed. The only other option is to convince capitalists to go green while still fighting them.
Even if we plant forests in place of old ones we have to plant multiple species that serve that environment properly (no monoculture) and we have have to build an understory. Fertilizer at the levels we use and in the production method we use is disastrous and actually can kill species and cause biodiversity loss. We have to improve soil quality restore peatlands, it's so many levels. I loved this discussion, best ever.
Agree on the need for reforesting and a range of spp. There was bit of research that emphasised reforesting an area the size of Australia would absorb around a billion tonnes of CO2 per year out of more than 40 billion tonnes from fossil fuels per year. Positive feedacks continue though with the loss of permafrost, Arctic sea ice, ocean stratifcation slowing down phytoplankton growth, thermal expansion of the oceans and parts of the Amazon ecoming a net emitter of carbon. The cuts needed in carbon are huge as is the need for a significant change in land management. .
On fertilizer we pushed for a tapering carbon budget with intermediate targets for Scotland's 2019 climate bill but they refused to include it.
From UK: It is not just reforestation we need we also need to restore the soil as we have destroyed half the soil on the planet since the industrial revolution. Soil is even better than forest to sequester carbon dioxide. There are many restoration projects around the world using simple techniques that have had fantastic results turning desert to healthy soil in only 5 years! Nature just needs a little help! People can help themselves here too, we need to spread the knowledge of farming without chemicals and industrialisation, on a local scale using the people, not exploitative mega corporations and their enslaving tactics...
Hooray! So glad do see NM talking about this at last! The climate crisis is only one subset of the ecological crisis. This is a direct result of an economic system based on profit - capitalism is the cause, everything else is a symptom.
Actually, all of the polititards that are on the left, right, middle, and fringe are a part of the problem, especially those that rebel against YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word.
Capitalism and the need for constant growth is definitely to blame!
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces "Well capitalism is staying"
How democratic of you
@@paxhumana2015 It is Abrahamic religion's attitude to the natural world that got us into this mess.
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces I imagine the collapse of oil prices and US led economic warfare had something to do with it.
Oh damn! Is two Downstream segments per week gonna be a regular thing? Every Downstream interview is so fascinating
Just finished the interview. This was both terrifying in terms of setting out the scale of the problem, but also motivating and energising. I'll definitely have to keep an eye out for this book
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces
It's not "the left" forecasting environmental catastrophe.
It's the entire scientific community whose lives are devoted to the study of the world around us.
The only thing the left is doing different is actually listening.
In the 80s they said we would all be dead in 10 years due to the "climate emergency". That was 40+ years ago, i wouldnt worry too much.
@@thewhiterabbit498
Sure buddy. Please post the paper that said that... I'll wait.
@@michaelrch Thats my lived experience bigot.
@@thewhiterabbit498
It's not your "lived experience". It's a scientific claim numbskull. And it's baseless in fact.
Land ownership is a really big issue.
@Leftist pond life Scummy nonces . Because Land, i.e. the earth's resources that we depend on, is predominantly owned/stolen by a rich minority who exploit it for their own purposes, using most of everybody else as slaves. Society has no control over this exploitation because the politicians who make the laws are accomplices to the land owners in this crime.
lets rob bill gates. that ll solve that
Lol communist
Stellar interview. Systems thinking is essential.
Thanks!
The car industry is a market that needs to be totally remodelled. The energy and resource requirements for the cars are crazy. They are also encouraged to be changed regularly. If we think of them as things that are meant to last at least 50 to 100 years like houses, then the energy expenditure will make much more sense
Yep, just switching from fossil fuel powered cars to electric will do little or nothing to help the environment if nothing else changes. More people need to be able to manage without cars through public transport, walkable cities, and good cycling infrastructure. Then the cars people do own need to last way longer. It's ridiculous that modern cars are often only really expected to last like 10 years or so.
That's a really good point. They should be made with more forward thinking. Problem is they don't wanna R&D for better, more carbon neutral materials when current material suffices for their profit goals. So be it. It's too bad starting a car company has way too much overhead or greener competition would've stomped their asses by now.
@@robertwinslade3104 "Are cities made for cars or for people?" -Derrick Jensen
Where I live in the U.S., we are lucky to see one bumble bee each year. Haven’t seen a honeybee in years, and hummingbirds are few and far between. No pollinators, no food. It’s that simple.
@alex kennedy luckily the oceans are limitless and totally unafected by over fishing, pollution, acidification right? Coral Reefs never looked so good right?
Laurie’s first point in replying to Aaron’s question, what can people do?, is arguably the most important. Learn about the true scale and nature of the problem. Important, in the sense that if that understanding can be scaled up to become general consensus in the entire global population, then the paradigm shift required to mitigate the crisis is inevitable.
Love Downstream.
Excellent interview guys. 👍
We are nowhere near getting on top of this crisis.
Please consider going vegan and getting on the street with XR 🌎💚
Why do i keep getting Lawrence Fox ads when i go to watch Novara Vids???? 🤢
He's polling at just 1%. Let him waste his money trying to appeal to lefties and splitting the Conservative vote 😅
Thought it was just me!!!
The most lucid, articulate assessment of the situation I've heard in a long time. Democracy is too refractory a system to respond in the time frame afforded us, as a result the default becomes barbarism.
Nice that you guys have decided here to also talk about more global and general problems besides your usual concentration on the troubles of the current Labour Party
What a strange conversation. It keeps going from “The world is irreversibly and exponentially ending” to “We could do this, though.” It’s over. The most honest video would be just three blokes sobbing. Anything more is just witterings into the abyss.
veganism is the way forward
No it’s not, being a vegan, yet still having the culture of excessive consumption, getting what you want when you want is not gonna change anything, just move the problem elsewhere. There’s people I know who eat a little meat in an entirely localised and seasonal diet that are way more environmentally friendly than a lot of vegans I know who eat out of season exotic food all year round. Such a misleading claim that veganism solves it all
@@beachboss7320 Can you provide a study that shows that local meat is less carbon intensive than vegetables from the other side of the world? The studies I've seen suggest that transporting food only adds up to 5-10% to emissions whereas switching to a vegetarian diet halves the average person's diet-related carbon emissions.
@@ProfessorEGadd I think your missing the point. Meat is obviously more carbon intensive than veg I’m not debating that at all, but what I’m saying is that’s not the be all and end all nor does it mean your solving the problem just because you gone vegan. If you ate meat in moderation, I.e only a few days a month, and had a local seasonal diet your gonna be having less of an impact than a vegan who’s eating out of season veg, soy and palm oil intensive products from across the world on the daily. There’s a lot of debate on it and studies either way look it up, but I think people make the assumption your comparing to the average meat eater who eats meat daily. Some people rear there own chickens, eat the meat once a month or so, get local veg. It’s really plain common sense that they’re polluting less than someone eating avacados in the Uk everyday. My point is a cultural shift is more impactful than just cutting out meat. The whole world simply going vegan, but still demanding this fast food instant gratification culture is not gonna solve the climate crisis, it’ll shift the problem elsewhere.
@@beachboss7320 @beachboss "that’s not the be all and end all nor does it mean your solving the problem just because you gone vegan." - Well no shit lmao.
Guess what? Most vegans would be fine with your 99% vegan raise-your-own-chickens diet. That's cool. But seeing a response to "go vegan" that promotes a almost-fantasy-land version of a meat eating diet which almost nobody actually eats _and which is almost entirely vegan anyway_ gets really boring really fast. If that's what you think is a good meat-eating diet then we're on the same side. You should be saying YES! Go vegan! Or at least go as vegan as you can!
"It’s really plain common sense that they’re polluting less than someone eating avacados in the Uk everyday." - Data please. I could just as easily say that raising chickens is inefficient (because they spend lots of the calories they eat on making bones we can't eat and being alive) and that shipping food internationally is effeicient (because ships can carry thousands of tonnes of avocados at once). That seems like common sense to me.
And all that is based on the most extreme comparison possible of daily international avocados vs. subsisting on the meerest scent of a garden chicken. _On average_ a vegan diet is less polluting, so _for most people_ "go vegan" is good advice. No need to get defensive about your one friend. This isn't all about you.
@@ProfessorEGadd bit of an aggressive response... obviously touched a nerve. I’m not saying everyone raise a chicken, I’m saying you can eat meat a few times a month, eat local and be fine dunno why that bothers you so much get a grip
This is the future of the Labour party or Momentum need to jump ship to the Greens.
Brilliant interview! Thanks
Just found Downstream brilliant
Great interview. Got the book on order 👍
Can you interview Murray Bookchin's ghost next please? He may have some thoughts on all this ~
Thank you for this.
Industrial civilization and the psychology that created it is the problem. The remedy? The end of industrial civilization and the psychology that created it. How we get there is anyone's guess. Our entire power structure and culture is in denial of reality. Meanwhile we are racing toward inevitable collapse like Thelma and Louise.
To avert climate chaos: Mass reforestation, end petrol use, grow microalgae in photobioreactors, change resource extraction to selection logging & fishing. This is all labour intensive & we all need jobs, with a livable wage, BTW.
there's also a thread within polyamory of adaptation to the climate and other crises, building webs of people you can count on
Why are you asking me to like and subscribe when I haven’t even watched the video yet? Cant Blindly agree to support the content without watching the content
I’m so happy you guys are talking about this. I see the carbon issue as an excuse to keep polluting in other ways.
Thanks
Keep up the good work guys
Very inspiring.
I have the feeling that some very important stuff is being discussed here, but the language used is so dense and jargonised I don’t understand what is being said. I’ll need to watch this several times. A simple message from me though - go Vegan. Today. Environmental collapse is driven by animal agriculture. Bolsonaru’s burning fires and deforestation is just a response to market demand. And he isn’t a bad actor here - the whole world is burning and deforesting. We are losing wildlife at 3% per year. Which means megafauna will be all gone by 2026. And it is down to what we put in our shopping basket. And that is entirely down to us to decide. Which is great - because we do t need governments for this. Just do it.
Oh it’s on!
The car industry not only actively promoted the car, Ford stated his aim was to make the car affordable for the average person while Rickerfeller encouraged Ford to switch from electric cars to internal combustion engines. The car and oil industry also bought out public transport infrastructure and mothballed them while Beeching shut down much of the regional railways.
See the film "Bikes versus Cars" and consider a film screening.
This can be reversed very quickly by scaling up cleaner buses begining in major towns and cities and limiting speeds to 20 mph. Given that half of us live in urban environments and we are declining in car manufacturing the government should be supporting bus buiding.
Compressed air buses limited to 20 mph would be more suitable for cities and would have a cooling effect on temperature, while electric buses would be better for intermediate and longer distances between towns and cities.
The heat from compressing air for transport can also be added to district heating systems.
Great conversation. I would be interested to hear a conversation between Aaron and Rupert Read. Both have released books on this subject, with different views but with similar objectives and philosophic outlook. It would be good to hear both explore these ideas together.
A couple of the things Aaron said had some real tankie energy.
One cannot live on bread alone
"VIVA LA PERMALUTION" Love & Peace.
If the negative externalities of driving cars was internalised, fuel would be at least twice as expensive (source: Techno-fix)
Fossil fuels have been a blessing for mankind helping accelerate the move from abject poverty to modernity
Their time is running out over the next 30-50 years solar and especially wind power will take most of the market for energy
As for bio diversity and all that stuff because don't care most people are happy to eat meat and that's not going to change especially not with a government mandate
From UK: The only solution to the climate crisis is to repair the soil of our planet. This is because we have destroyed half the soil of the planet since the industrial revolution. The soil is the best absorber of CO2 on the planet today. The climate is controlled by the relationship between the forests, the land and the oceans. That relationship has been broken. Restoration projects around the world using only manpower and simple techniques and knowledge, have proved amazingly successful, because Nature only needs a little help. Turning desert into productive soil without chemicals! all in only 5 years... The elephant in the room is agribusiness which has not only accelerated the destruction but has added poisons never seen on the earth which has poisoned not only the flora and fauna but us as well... Grass roots restoration of worthless land also gives the people of the world a chance for self sustainability...
Why not just put the Earth on Universal Credit? I mean, y'know, surely a 'work coach' is sufficiently qualified in Climate Breakdown to properly assess the situation and manage it effectively with sanctions. Job done. Edit; although maybe now isn't a good time as they are probably going on strike due to disagreements over face-to-face interviews in these Covid times.
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With a child taunting tune "I am human... you are not. I am a human... you are a bot. You will live forever, I will die and rot. I am a human tick tock tot"
Downstream Key.... Get Outta Jail key on the average prof vision mixing console. Very cool.
Eco-fascism is definitely growing and there is a definite thread amongst heathenry (I am not saying most heathens are racist at all), when you consider Odinism and it's growth in the US and the UK and also in Europe
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Ok it does have an impact but I think the loss of habitat and endless development is much more important
people look at climate change and link it to every extreme weather phenomenon
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A decade prior to arriving at Harper Adams University, I'd already had my own family and managed an independent lifestyle - ascending from a Disadvantaged-Inner-London-City, the reason I decided to attend HAU to study was due to personal reasons. Harper provided an opportunity for a fresh start to avoid the London noise and distractions so to attend university as a mature student, something I'd previously missed out on because of starting my family early [priceless]. Long-Short, HAU's social experience was an utter disaster because of this and that reasons. Despite my inconducive social experience at Harper; not only did I successfully get onto a course whose content I love and still very much enjoy at an ivy league agricultural university; out of four other options, inc. Aberystwyth uni, I went about and attained QUALITY, industry, understanding across the board, and 'bang-on' hands-on experience, too! Also, I directly influenced the curriculum due to my tenacity and drive, the idea to introduce mandatory public speaking in order to bolster confidence and to boost one's astuteness.
With utmost humility, I think, overall - given the experienced challenges, I performed well by accomplishing the primary goal of my dreams.
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Fetishizing your own inanity for internet points?
@@henriashurst-pitkanen8735 no1 can exist on bread alone, sar
I just wish that when explaining theroies such as this, the commentators and advocates could not machinegun the audience with highly academic jargonised language that alienates the audience.
I can see why people are drawn to eco-socialism, there is a stewardship/ethical vibe going on in there. For me personally though, what should be good idea tends to wander down a bit of a weird path and a lot of the people surrounding the movement seem more like secular versions of bible bashing doom mongers than anything else. Religion or non, there has never been a correct end of the world prediction. The movement in theory could be a force for good but the wrong people are at the helm and that is putting off otherwise sympathetic people, not to mention there is a lot of baggage tied up with socialism which again is going to put people off. The term “Eco-Socialism” itself is a branding nightmare, combine that with drum circles and old crusty nudists called “Sunshine Abercock Lupus Rizla” and the movement is functionally still born.
Thing is, people like their "Fordist" cars. Especially post Corvid. Personally I like buses and push bikes. However, it is too easy to blame everything on the world capitalist PR complex, even if they are to blame. ER for instance make achieving consensus less likely when they glue themselves to banks of trains. We need more empathy and understanding not more polarization. Radical change will require radical honesty and radical respect for other peoples views and opinions.
So the planet is burning, but I have to have respect for ill informed morons who want to throw petrol on the fire. Maybe those folk from er who glue themselves to trains have it wrong- maybe the situation demands more than that. Today's headline: "glaciers melting twice as fast as 20 years ago" this kind of stuff puts us on an apocalyptic trajectory for anyone under the age of thirty. The time for 'radical honesty' is always now but the time for 'radical respect' for other peoples views and opinions is long past when those views and opinions are of the 'sure it ain't that Bad it was snowing last week where's the global warming there?' variety. It seems to me that the good guys are always respectin and the arseholes causing the damage are laughing as they shit over everythin for their blind profit. . . We need radical alright. Stopping the whole crazy circus radical.
Ten years ago a professor of climate physics, contributor to the ipcc, a respected academic at the cutting edge of research in his field told me that things were much worse than the ipcc could agree to report. He said getting 190 countries to agree and sign off on anything was near impossible and therefore any ipcc report with its predictions and scenarios for climate change were massively watered down. That we had already, in his opinion, passed many 'tipping points' and were already well on the way to climate change pushing 4 degrees by century end. This was ten years ago. It has only got worse. I laughed at him and said he was a bit pessimistic surely - what am I gonna teach my kids about this? His reply? Teach them how to use a gun. . .
@@tconbo4514 My point was not that the situation is not grave but that we have be intelligence led in order to change our course.Maybe some people are "morons", the point of public demonstrations is to change the hearts and minds of people in the middle. I simply am not convinced this can be done by acts of justifiable public vandalism. In the end, we need a mass movement, not a fight with the cops, which we will lose.
I love the idea of cooperative energy startups, as a technologist this might be more interesting than building apps for capitalists.
There is lots of challenges though, for example building technology is so resource intensive and time consuming. Without an appropriate funding model it will be hard to sustain especially with the rise of cost of living. I'm self funding my startup right now in AI and the cost of experimenting is growing exponentially 😭
It is definitely something I would consider especially as the cost of solar panels is decreasing and there are many other green energy sources that are still in an experimental phase that could be helpful to communities such as alternative chemical and mechanical batteries, liquid cooled capacitors and totally green server infrastructure.
Labour council in Nottingham borrowed a billion pounds to create a competing energy company that failed massively. Imagine if they invested it into local energy startups in partnership with the universities.
What about eco fascism ?
A lot of people misuse that word...
_It's socialism or barbarism..._
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Ok let me explain why eco socialism will never work
1. Socialism results in high taxes that are terrible for new business. So less opurtunities
2. Socialism always fails long-term. And that's a fact you can see it throughout history
3. It holds a complete lack of understanding about human utility.
4. Taxes render individual earning potential useless.
5. Socialists are largely in favor of international trade (globalization) which is terrible for the environment.
6. It can result in successful established businesses being nationalized and losing their immense power for technological and human development.
Love him or hate him, Elon Musk has been advancing green technologies. Love capitalism or hate capitalism, once industrialists find a profit motive in carbon capture then progress will be made.
Do we really have time to fix this via radical social change? We might have to bargain with the devil to avoid catastrophe.
Plenty of time for radical social change after that.
I suspect it's not either/or. If this gets solved it might be via both political/social/economic and technological changes all in parallel.
My point though is that technological change seems to (increasingly) happen faster than political/social/economic change - and we don't have much time.
@@_....J........................ no - just being realistic.
I don't think there is enough time to overturn global capitalism before the planet is trashed.
The only other option is to convince capitalists to go green while still fighting them.
@@_....J........................ grow up