Yeah but current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
@@Antiheromarvel563 Why does everything have to do with money? It could make less money and be better than Endgame or Infinity War. Or it could make even more money than those movies and be worse. Box Office does not necessarily mean that a movie is good or bad. As for the conversations that you mentioned, it's already working. Everyone is talking about RDJ returning as Doom. Hype, they can easily build that back in the next couple of years.
@@AlexVagda because Disney wants more profit. They've invested 180 million dollars to pay only RDJ (100 million) and Russo Brothers and their production company AGBO (80 million)
@@Antiheromarvel563 Of course Disney wants to make money. Every business does. But this is not the point. The movies could be amazing regardless of their Box Office results. How much money they make, doesn't make them good or bad.
I believe loki will come into play when Doom starts messing with the multiverse. Loki will choose to save his brother this time and mess up what he fixed while Doom thinks he is ruling
Doom really is good if they screw it,That will make dr doom dumb they shouldnt do that which will ruin his character he really wants to save the world the timelines where dr doom rules are the glorious times so story must be strong for dr doom
Yup. Civil War's Black Panther was the best version. Regal, strong, enigmatic and mysterious and so were his protectors. He was watered down and sidelined in his own movie.
@@eddiek8179now that I think about it T’Challa did really take the backseat in BP one. Cause it was more of a “Wakanda” movie if anything cause it touched up on more of the cultural diversity in Wakanda and a lot of world building over character building for T’Challa. Yes he got some Character building but not as much as he deserved and should’ve gotten.
@JShadow6661 Very true and not only that, Wakanda itself seemed small and very stereotypical with very little innovative ideas about its culture, architecture and technology. There were some great architectures, for sure but it was mostly generic and the idea of using their Rhinos and other animals as Vibranium armored weapons was ill advised. Hundreds of technological advancements and that is where they end up? Using their beloved animals as fodder? What little we see of their tech inn Civil War is better. Black Panther has the most generic everyday tech and it's always slapped with Vibranium on top of it to make seem like advancement. They didn't allow the Wakandans to look and be smart. It's a movie with so much missed opportunities especially after that fantastic trailer with the song by Run the Jewels - Legend Has it.
This is great it sounds as if they will take the best parts of the comics arc while building off of the current MCU perfect fit in my opinion it's gonna be epic
Not sure. Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
It’s not mutually exclusive, they were offered those checks even after Endgame. They decided that they want to actually genuinely make something they’re passionate about. They said that years ago before any check, that they’d come back for Secret Wars or such.
Marvel has been getting really good at building a history and a world or universe or multi verse of characters! Especially with the combination of Thor Ragnarok, Captain America Civil War and Avengers Infinity War and Endgame all worked so well together!
Really? Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
@@Antiheromarvel563you say that after Deadpool and Wolverine just raked in over 1 billion, and Spider Man NWH also pulled over 1 billion. Plenty of other Multiverse saga movies have also earned a profit on their investments, even some of the bad ones like Thor 4 and Dr Strange 2 MOM, showing interest is still there and the fans have not left. It's almost like when they actually make a decent movie the fans will turn out and support it, when Marvel puts out woke-fests such as She Hulk and The Marvels the fans will detect that nonsense a mile away and swiftly and justifiably shut it down, and Marvel learns their lesson (as much as they are able anyway. Deadpool was as anti-woke as they can get within their parameters, since I mean it did star a non binary person as the villain but thankfully they were a decent actor so it's all good, and Agatha which by all accounts is as woke as you can get, actually didn't make people want to jam steak knives in their ears and really kinda slapped.)
Nah they need a scene ... One scene maybe after some movie outside of F4 that shows his motives and powers. They don't need to show Roberts face until secret wars. We need true doom ... No face .... New mask same task . His face needs to be graphic to be honest . People don't understand dooms face is messed up so he can look similar and people will maybe see it after awhile but the fans need just doom
Except in the past, the Russos have literally said they would come back for a Secret Wars. So with Kang being out the picture now, this was the perfect time to pitch it.
Yeah but current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
I think the biggest clue as to the nature of the story is Robert Downey's words: "same task, different mask". Dr. Doom is a dark reflection of Tony's desire to put a shield of armor around the world to protect it.
I mean to be fair there was no build up to Darth Vader prior to his debut in A New Hope. There was no build up to Bane prior to Dark Knight Rises. There was no build up to Hans Gruber prior to Die Hard. You can have a great villain make their debut in the film where they are the main antagonist. Not everything needs to be "built up" in order for the main villain to make a meaningful impact on a compelling cinematic story.
@@cpt.dr.hawkeye1740 I agree, everything depends on the writing. Also, 95% of the character development of Thanos was done in Infinity War, his screentime before Infinity War was just around 2 minutes. The only reason people consider his build up to be great is because his first scene was in 2012 and it took 6 years to finally appear on screen. Otherwise, he too was developed in one movie.
It would cost high. Because now they have production company AGBO. For these 2 Avengers movies, they reportedly get 80 million dollars. Will Kevin willingly pay them to direct every movie?
I absolutely wish Deadpool and Wolverine was 3 hours long! These movies or stories are getting so massive in scope or so many layers of storytelling that there’s no way to fit it into 2 hours and if they make them as good as the best of them have been why wouldn’t most people want them to be 3 hours?!?
I wouldn't keep wanting dr dooms more and more , they shd tell a story that it would be suffice watching avengers , continuously seeing dr doom is boring , only batman and spiderman can pull that off
Most blockbuster movies with tons of characters and stories or plot lines need to be 3 hours or more to tell a decent story in the middle of all of the crazy or supernatural superhero action!
Some stories are better or more watchable or digestible in 30 minute, 60 minute segments or 2 hours but sometimes a story is so good or told so well that 3 hours flies by feeling like a few minutes!
Fantastic Four looks like it’s finally going to be really good though I really liked the last movie but this one does look much better and bigger in scope and story!
I was never into comics but there are obviously so many separate storylines or sometimes completely different or opposing or contradicting stories that there is no way to make movies of them all let alone fit them into on 2 or even 3 hour movie!
Me personally, I hope they ignore the fact that Doom would look like Stark (if he’s ever unmasked). It’s a movie, they’re actors, it can be completely ignored. “Worst” case scenario, just give him a makeover so for the fans that care about it so much, they can have their nerves calmed.
I think what the story could be basically dr. Doom realizes that universes are dying after his does so he does things like go after loki, absorbs molecule man's powers to then take the beyonders powers and control battle world. I think they use Nathaniel Richard's powers to recreate a new universe with all these heros, characters and villains. Many played by different actors and actresses. Favorite Hero: Batman
Some directors and their teams like Christopher Nolan or other great directors know what they’re doing so well that they have made some of the best movies ever which are much longer than 2 hours!
@@Antiheromarvel563 they could give him the loki treatment, where he rules the multiverse and is never seen again, and the soft reboot with the x-men starts, while he sits on his trone, that would be cool lore
Yeah. Antihero is right. RDJ Doom is 100% dead in Secret Wars. Along with most of our other beloved characters when the Big Bang happens that resets everything and moves us into the Mutant Saga. But on the bright side, we will definitely be getting a new Doom as a long-staying character like a Loki-type in the background with a bunch of character development. I predict after Secret Wars, Doom will basically take Lokis spot in the MCU. Like an Anti-Hero looming in the background who you never know is going to be good or evil, Dooms going to play that role after Secret Wars
If you want huge blockbuster movies with real heart felt story and intense amazing action with all kinds of super powers I think they need to be 3 hours to completely tell a decent story!
It was always going to be Doctor Doom in the end of the MULTIVERSE SAGA. Kang would have been fun in several Phase V projects we will never see, but even then, Doom takes the Kangs down and rules Phase VI = original plan. ONLINE "SCOOPERS" who are not respected entertainment industry journalists WERE WRONG.
@@giesimelendez2744 Agreed. I mean Kang was always imagined to be the big bad of Phase V as originally imagined and planned by Feige and friends. But Kang/Kangs really serve/s TWO NARRATIVE PURPOSES: 1) to be a kind of "Wizard of Oz" type villain, and really nothing more than that, which is still great btw!! 2) to disclose (and set up) how he relates to the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom... 2a--Kang-Prime is 31st-century Nathaniel Richards, descendant of Reed Richards hated enemy of Doctor Doom and 2b--Nathaniel Richards became Kang-Prime after discovering Doom's long-lost greatest invention, the Space-Time Platform (as seen in DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS and used by every Kang-variant featured in the mid-credits scene of QUANTUMANIA). Without DOOM, there is no Space-Time Platform, and without that, there are no Kangs or TVA. Victor Timely and Oroboros? RED HERRINGS, enclosed loops that cycle forever eating themselves, going nowhere as O.B.'s name suggests. Therefore, Doom is the Absolute Point to all the Kangs and the TVA. All the details of his existence are CANON EVENTS to them. Doom is their Achilles Heel and Kryptonite. They are helpless against him due to their causal relationship to him. The so-called "insiders" missed this completely. They misread and distorted what Feige announced back in SDCC2022, jumping to a false conclusion about Kang's role in the Multiverse Saga. They missed it completely. Kang was never intended to be the FINAL and GREATEST "Big Bad" of the Multiverse Saga. Instead, Kang was intended (from the vantage of Summer 2022) to be the Saga's NEXT "Big Bad" and greatest "Big Bad" SO FAR.... like Ultron was in Phase II, so Kang would be in Phase V. Think about the endless hours of wasted time on TH-cam videos reporting false and wrongheaded, spurious speculation that went NOWHERE based on these online charlatans and fake news "scoopers" who got lucky during COVID when overworked VFX workers leaked spoiler photos to them. And when that pipe went dry? The scoops and spoilers became fewer and far between.
Oppenheimer was 3 hours long and I barely noticed! That was the shortest 3 hours of my life and I couldn’t wait to watch it again as soon as possible! If you make a movie as good as possible why wouldn’t you want it to be 3 hours?!?
If your just starting to put together a new blockbuster movie or doing a reboot and trying figure out the right formula maybe you want to play it safe with a movie being 2 hours but if you and the audience for the most part thinks you got the formula right then I think making them 3 hours long or more just makes sense!
Honestly I think what really happened is that after a few disappointing box office results marvel decided to open their pockets and call back the people the public identify with their biggest successes. End of story.
Avengers Doomsday: I'm thinking that the Avengers, Young Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Eternals, Thunderbolts*, Exiles, Fantastic Four and X-Men will all team up to protect the TVA and Loki from Doctor Doom, but then Doctor Doom will steal Loki's powers. Avengers Secret Wars: I think, Doctor Doom will be controlling Battleworld, then the remaining heroes will team up to restore the Multiverse and rejog everyone else's memories. I think Reed Richards will be the one to do the Iron Man sacrifice type play on Doctor Doom.
With the the russo's in control of this film and it's sequel I don't see Hulk getting the justice and comeback us fans have hoped for. They just don't know what to do with him.
As awesome as Deadpool and Wolverine was the story was kind of weak but if it was 3 hours or longer they could had time to fit a much better detailed or heartfelt story!
I think people are overthinking the backstory of a Tony/Victor variant. Doctor Doom’s mask is permanently affixed to his face, so I really hope they don’t plan on showing us RDJ’s face at all. Just use his voice and let’s get Doom right for once.
It depends. Some versions have a removable mask and different deforamaties. Stan wanted his face to be burnt while Kirby wanted a simple scar for example.
I also heard that Deadpool and Wolverine are returning for Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars as well. I'm pumped! Hope they'll do this right and both Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars should be three hours long. Also Avengers: Secret Wars part 2, if we do get a second part. Can't wait and love the MCU 3000!!!
What I don’t hear or see with this whole storyline is that there’s gonna be a Doomsday and Secret Wars without an Iron Man? How would that even be possible?!
Reading Comprehension 101: waaaaaaay before RDJ, Doctor Doom is the most important character for both Jim Shooter's 1984 "SECRET WARS" and Jonathan Hickman's 2015 "SECRET WARS." That's not my opinion, btw... that is just Reading Comprehension 101. If you were to draft an outline or Cliffsnotes on either version of SECRET WARS, it better shows Doom as not only the biggest villain of the stories but the most important character. SECRET WARS is ESSENTIALLY a Doom story. Don't agree? Better go back to school.
I hope its Secret Wars 1984, because secret wars 2015 saw the beginning of the most awful era in marvel history: the "all new all different" era that continues into today. To imagine things being any worse is like wanting to witness horrors that you never really wanted to know existed and beg them to take it back
I wonder if they’ll show any interaction between Tony/Pepper’s daughter and Doom? That would be one I’d like to see. That, and Peter Parker seeing him. But it can’t just be a montage of classic characters seeing Doom and being like, “wait…WHAAAAAT? Is that….Tony?!” That would get old, quickly! 😂
The likeness of Tony and Victor, I vision it something like this: You open the movie by showing an alternate timeline Avengers fighting the original Doom, they all get killed except Iron Man. Tony defeats Doom but end up in a dark and gloomy place, he takes Victors alias and research his powers and is dead fixed on trying to save the multiverse to a point where he goes insane. There you have it why the lookalike.
Is anyone else able to see that they are in fact making these stories up every single week I swear I see the same title every week. Multiple updates about Loki Loki and avengers But he has like 45 updates to doom and now official plot? Like huh
i reckon that loki still using the TVA to hunt down Kang variants stumbles across doom and he realizes that he could use him as an ally to destroy the council of kangs but in doing so doom tricks him and ends up trying to take his powers so loki has to search the multiverse to build an avengers team to help him defeat doom but eventually doom wins and creates battle world then we get secret wars
He should, or I would feel really cheated if with all the limitless possibilities of the Multiverse Saga they only let him come back to play a Doctor Doom variant.
It will be wierd to see rdj vs rdj .dr doom shouldnt show his face if he doesnt then it will be fine but i think marvel didnt gave 100 million dollars not to show his face so they should cast someone for iron man like tom cruise
From my perspective I don’t have total confidence in this project but I do like the story from the comics and I do like the concept that they will adapt the story that made me happy from the comics and I like that they want to give the story some classic characters and they are dedicated to making the best movie they can and I like that they are setting up the Mutant saga. I strongly hope that this project becomes better with time and I look forward to hopefully finding out about a role for Shang Chi because if he isn’t in the story it would be really sad to me. However even though I don’t have perfect faith in this project, I do like the movies we’re getting this year and I like the way you promote this project a lot too!
Without Johnathon Majors I think this whole thing crash’s and burns. Re heated RDJ isn’t going to do the numbers he did the first run this is a bad idea waiting to fail and when it does I will be laughing
I wonder if in an alternate universe when the “snap” to bring everyone home happens by the Hulk, well the snap erases Morgan Stark….and Tony goes Doom on everyone and everything. Possible story line??
Nah thats terrible russos clearly mentioned rdj as victor von doom there are three types of variants in marvel multiverse (live action) Variants of different face of same character like spiderman loki etc and variants of same faces of same character like dr strange kang etc and variants of same faces of diiferent characters like chris evans johnny storm captain america Rdj as dr doom is like 3rd one😊
Not good news tbh. Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
These movies need to be over 3 hours long
And in several parts
Yes. Secret Wars part 2 entitled reportedly Avengers Forever would release in 2028
Facts💯
How About 3hr and 7min
Yes yes yes. Been saying this for 6 years
the russo brothers have already proven in the past that they were made for this kind of project. I have no worries about the next Avengers films
Yeah but current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
@@Antiheromarvel563 Why does everything have to do with money? It could make less money and be better than Endgame or Infinity War. Or it could make even more money than those movies and be worse. Box Office does not necessarily mean that a movie is good or bad. As for the conversations that you mentioned, it's already working. Everyone is talking about RDJ returning as Doom. Hype, they can easily build that back in the next couple of years.
@@AlexVagda because Disney wants more profit. They've invested 180 million dollars to pay only RDJ (100 million) and Russo Brothers and their production company AGBO (80 million)
@@Antiheromarvel563 Of course Disney wants to make money. Every business does. But this is not the point. The movies could be amazing regardless of their Box Office results. How much money they make, doesn't make them good or bad.
Just imagine what would be at stake if the russos weren’t directing the next avengers films
I believe loki will come into play when Doom starts messing with the multiverse. Loki will choose to save his brother this time and mess up what he fixed while Doom thinks he is ruling
Of course and thor will finally see his brother being the God he was meant to be
Doom really is good if they screw it,That will make dr doom dumb they shouldnt do that which will ruin his character he really wants to save the world the timelines where dr doom rules are the glorious times so story must be strong for dr doom
I loved their version of T'Challa in Civil War. They made him a total badass.
Yup. Civil War's Black Panther was the best version. Regal, strong, enigmatic and mysterious and so were his protectors. He was watered down and sidelined in his own movie.
@@eddiek8179now that I think about it T’Challa did really take the backseat in BP one. Cause it was more of a “Wakanda” movie if anything cause it touched up on more of the cultural diversity in Wakanda and a lot of world building over character building for T’Challa. Yes he got some Character building but not as much as he deserved and should’ve gotten.
@JShadow6661 Very true and not only that, Wakanda itself seemed small and very stereotypical with very little innovative ideas about its culture, architecture and technology. There were some great architectures, for sure but it was mostly generic and the idea of using their Rhinos and other animals as Vibranium armored weapons was ill advised. Hundreds of technological advancements and that is where they end up? Using their beloved animals as fodder? What little we see of their tech inn Civil War is better. Black Panther has the most generic everyday tech and it's always slapped with Vibranium on top of it to make seem like advancement. They didn't allow the Wakandans to look and be smart. It's a movie with so much missed opportunities especially after that fantastic trailer with the song by Run the Jewels - Legend Has it.
Russo Bro's said back in 2017 they would return if they were to make Secret Wars; it was that obvious! It's what they always wanted!
Buddy hyping it up as if it's the second coming of christ 😭🤣
This is great it sounds as if they will take the best parts of the comics arc while building off of the current MCU perfect fit in my opinion it's gonna be epic
Not sure. Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
I'm sure the the Russo brothers coming back had nothing to do with that big ass check
It’s not mutually exclusive, they were offered those checks even after Endgame. They decided that they want to actually genuinely make something they’re passionate about. They said that years ago before any check, that they’d come back for Secret Wars or such.
They were like, “this is a check we need to cash “
Marvel has been getting really good at building a history and a world or universe or multi verse of characters! Especially with the combination of Thor Ragnarok, Captain America Civil War and Avengers Infinity War and Endgame all worked so well together!
And now f4 avengers doomsday spiderman 4 secret wars❤
this would have worked too but kang is no more.... now doom will come out of nowhere
@@WitchMaster-vi4kp they shouldnt have taken kang at the beginning you cant do secret wars without doom
The Russos are about to do some serious cooking.
Really? Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
@@Antiheromarvel563 no marvel project will reach that level but these movies will for sure wrap up the multiverse sag nicely before the reboot
@@Antiheromarvel563I disagree mcu has been killing it
@generalgrievous262tbh I wouldn't say that
@@Antiheromarvel563you say that after Deadpool and Wolverine just raked in over 1 billion, and Spider Man NWH also pulled over 1 billion. Plenty of other Multiverse saga movies have also earned a profit on their investments, even some of the bad ones like Thor 4 and Dr Strange 2 MOM, showing interest is still there and the fans have not left. It's almost like when they actually make a decent movie the fans will turn out and support it, when Marvel puts out woke-fests such as She Hulk and The Marvels the fans will detect that nonsense a mile away and swiftly and justifiably shut it down, and Marvel learns their lesson (as much as they are able anyway. Deadpool was as anti-woke as they can get within their parameters, since I mean it did star a non binary person as the villain but thankfully they were a decent actor so it's all good, and Agatha which by all accounts is as woke as you can get, actually didn't make people want to jam steak knives in their ears and really kinda slapped.)
I feel like we need a trilogy with Dr Doom, a movie between Doomsday and Secret Wars, there is just so much they can do.
rumors has it he will be in fantastic 4 shortly
That should be what Spider Man 4 is basically, according to leaks. It takes place between the two Avenger’s movies.
Nah they need a scene ... One scene maybe after some movie outside of F4 that shows his motives and powers. They don't need to show Roberts face until secret wars. We need true doom ... No face .... New mask same task . His face needs to be graphic to be honest . People don't understand dooms face is messed up so he can look similar and people will maybe see it after awhile but the fans need just doom
no, we don't
@ they will probely save the facereveal for doomsday, where peber and spiderman sees him
doctor doom pulled thanos spine out of his body
Def Home Screen worthy 👍
Shit.. 😅
@@kingleo9981 they better add it even if you don't see his body just the spine being pulled out they need it
that would be so dope if they use that for a scene.
Ah yes, it was a legendary idea that made the Russos return and not the insane amount of money Disney threw at them 😂
Except in the past, the Russos have literally said they would come back for a Secret Wars. So with Kang being out the picture now, this was the perfect time to pitch it.
Can’t wait to see Avengers Doomsday
Yeah but current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
I think the biggest clue as to the nature of the story is Robert Downey's words: "same task, different mask".
Dr. Doom is a dark reflection of Tony's desire to put a shield of armor around the world to protect it.
There’s damn near ZERO build up for the avengers and ESPECIALLY for the next villain. I want to trust but come on
agree agree AGREEE‼️
I mean to be fair there was no build up to Darth Vader prior to his debut in A New Hope. There was no build up to Bane prior to Dark Knight Rises. There was no build up to Hans Gruber prior to Die Hard.
You can have a great villain make their debut in the film where they are the main antagonist. Not everything needs to be "built up" in order for the main villain to make a meaningful impact on a compelling cinematic story.
@@cpt.dr.hawkeye1740 very fair point
@@cpt.dr.hawkeye1740 I agree, everything depends on the writing. Also, 95% of the character development of Thanos was done in Infinity War, his screentime before Infinity War was just around 2 minutes. The only reason people consider his build up to be great is because his first scene was in 2012 and it took 6 years to finally appear on screen. Otherwise, he too was developed in one movie.
@@Bucatiniceviche the next few movies will help with that, especially F4 which will most likely show a bit of Doom
I can’t wait to see this year’s lineup!
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Majors is secretly coming back as kang but then gets beaten by doom
@ I won!
Their light bulbs went up when they saw many zeroes for the payload 😆
We’ll see - I have Huge Expectations for Secret Wars
They need to direct every mcu film
It would cost high. Because now they have production company AGBO. For these 2 Avengers movies, they reportedly get 80 million dollars. Will Kevin willingly pay them to direct every movie?
I actually wouldn't mind that tbf lol
You know they are human beings, it would be hell for them.
They suck
I absolutely wish Deadpool and Wolverine was 3 hours long! These movies or stories are getting so massive in scope or so many layers of storytelling that there’s no way to fit it into 2 hours and if they make them as good as the best of them have been why wouldn’t most people want them to be 3 hours?!?
This is what a history of actors, directors, producers, writers working together on the same stories can bring much better or inspired stories!
This Doom definitely needs to be a Tony Stark variant so when the reboot happens you can do a new Doom origin and it won't be weird
I wouldn't keep wanting dr dooms more and more , they shd tell a story that it would be suffice watching avengers , continuously seeing dr doom is boring , only batman and spiderman can pull that off
Ideas and building on story at Marvel has been getting much better in general accept in phase 4 but it looks like it’s picking back up again!
Most blockbuster movies with tons of characters and stories or plot lines need to be 3 hours or more to tell a decent story in the middle of all of the crazy or supernatural superhero action!
Some stories are better or more watchable or digestible in 30 minute, 60 minute segments or 2 hours but sometimes a story is so good or told so well that 3 hours flies by feeling like a few minutes!
Trailer in 11 months
They need to pull out all the stops and go all out😮
Fantastic Four looks like it’s finally going to be really good though I really liked the last movie but this one does look much better and bigger in scope and story!
That’s awesome to hear!!
I was never into comics but there are obviously so many separate storylines or sometimes completely different or opposing or contradicting stories that there is no way to make movies of them all let alone fit them into on 2 or even 3 hour movie!
Me personally, I hope they ignore the fact that Doom would look like Stark (if he’s ever unmasked). It’s a movie, they’re actors, it can be completely ignored. “Worst” case scenario, just give him a makeover so for the fans that care about it so much, they can have their nerves calmed.
I think what the story could be basically dr. Doom realizes that universes are dying after his does so he does things like go after loki, absorbs molecule man's powers to then take the beyonders powers and control battle world.
I think they use Nathaniel Richard's powers to recreate a new universe with all these heros, characters and villains. Many played by different actors and actresses.
Favorite Hero: Batman
Some directors and their teams like Christopher Nolan or other great directors know what they’re doing so well that they have made some of the best movies ever which are much longer than 2 hours!
I hope they don't kill Doom quickly... Doom doesn't die
yeah hopefully not
Doom will die. You sure Disney would hire RDJ beyond Secret Wars? They paid him reportedly 100 million dollars
Brace yourselves
@@Antiheromarvel563 they could give him the loki treatment, where he rules the multiverse and is never seen again, and the soft reboot with the x-men starts, while he sits on his trone, that would be cool lore
Yeah. Antihero is right. RDJ Doom is 100% dead in Secret Wars. Along with most of our other beloved characters when the Big Bang happens that resets everything and moves us into the Mutant Saga. But on the bright side, we will definitely be getting a new Doom as a long-staying character like a Loki-type in the background with a bunch of character development. I predict after Secret Wars, Doom will basically take Lokis spot in the MCU. Like an Anti-Hero looming in the background who you never know is going to be good or evil, Dooms going to play that role after Secret Wars
I'm sorry, who's been long waiting for Walmart Cpt America movie?
I would guess, if it involves the multiverse, Loki HAS to come into play.
And fan service again like NWH and D&W
60 Characters Go Me Hype
Not me
Its hard to show all of them correctly
@@PendarGorjithey have to split teams like they did in infinity war
"Same task New mask" makes sense with this revelation!
If you want huge blockbuster movies with real heart felt story and intense amazing action with all kinds of super powers I think they need to be 3 hours to completely tell a decent story!
Don't know if i would use "long awaited" while describing Brave New World lol
It was always going to be Doctor Doom in the end of the MULTIVERSE SAGA. Kang would have been fun in several Phase V projects we will never see, but even then, Doom takes the Kangs down and rules Phase VI = original plan.
ONLINE "SCOOPERS" who are not respected entertainment industry journalists WERE WRONG.
Hopefully they show this in Doomsday to not only close out the Kang story but to also solidify Doom as the Big Bad of the Multiverse Saga
@@giesimelendez2744 Agreed. I mean Kang was always imagined to be the big bad of Phase V as originally imagined and planned by Feige and friends. But Kang/Kangs really serve/s TWO NARRATIVE PURPOSES:
1) to be a kind of "Wizard of Oz" type villain, and really nothing more than that, which is still great btw!!
2) to disclose (and set up) how he relates to the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom...
2a--Kang-Prime is 31st-century Nathaniel Richards, descendant of Reed Richards hated enemy of Doctor Doom and
2b--Nathaniel Richards became Kang-Prime after discovering Doom's long-lost greatest invention, the Space-Time Platform (as seen in DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS and used by every Kang-variant featured in the mid-credits scene of QUANTUMANIA). Without DOOM, there is no Space-Time Platform, and without that, there are no Kangs or TVA. Victor Timely and Oroboros? RED HERRINGS, enclosed loops that cycle forever eating themselves, going nowhere as O.B.'s name suggests. Therefore, Doom is the Absolute Point to all the Kangs and the TVA. All the details of his existence are CANON EVENTS to them. Doom is their Achilles Heel and Kryptonite. They are helpless against him due to their causal relationship to him.
The so-called "insiders" missed this completely. They misread and distorted what Feige announced back in SDCC2022, jumping to a false conclusion about Kang's role in the Multiverse Saga. They missed it completely. Kang was never intended to be the FINAL and GREATEST "Big Bad" of the Multiverse Saga. Instead, Kang was intended (from the vantage of Summer 2022) to be the Saga's NEXT "Big Bad" and greatest "Big Bad" SO FAR.... like Ultron was in Phase II, so Kang would be in Phase V.
Think about the endless hours of wasted time on TH-cam videos reporting false and wrongheaded, spurious speculation that went NOWHERE based on these online charlatans and fake news "scoopers" who got lucky during COVID when overworked VFX workers leaked spoiler photos to them. And when that pipe went dry? The scoops and spoilers became fewer and far between.
I don’t know why so many studios or people in general think movies have to be 2 hours or less?!?
Oppenheimer was 3 hours long and I barely noticed! That was the shortest 3 hours of my life and I couldn’t wait to watch it again as soon as possible! If you make a movie as good as possible why wouldn’t you want it to be 3 hours?!?
If your just starting to put together a new blockbuster movie or doing a reboot and trying figure out the right formula maybe you want to play it safe with a movie being 2 hours but if you and the audience for the most part thinks you got the formula right then I think making them 3 hours long or more just makes sense!
New Rockstars already did this video but they did it better.
FACTS
5:54. Here’s the plot. You’re welcome
Honestly I think what really happened is that after a few disappointing box office results marvel decided to open their pockets and call back the people the public identify with their biggest successes. End of story.
Of course after stan lee death kevin feige control over mcu was lessen and disney came to ruin it with their woke agendas
Joe is the evil brother and Anthony is the good brother. Together we get a balanced film!
Avengers Doomsday: I'm thinking that the Avengers, Young Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, The Defenders, Eternals, Thunderbolts*, Exiles, Fantastic Four and X-Men will all team up to protect the TVA and Loki from Doctor Doom, but then Doctor Doom will steal Loki's powers.
Avengers Secret Wars: I think, Doctor Doom will be controlling Battleworld, then the remaining heroes will team up to restore the Multiverse and rejog everyone else's memories. I think Reed Richards will be the one to do the Iron Man sacrifice type play on Doctor Doom.
Yeah it is mostly f4 based story with others for general support only the main conflict of dr doom is with reed richards
With the the russo's in control of this film and it's sequel I don't see Hulk getting the justice and comeback us fans have hoped for. They just don't know what to do with him.
As awesome as Deadpool and Wolverine was the story was kind of weak but if it was 3 hours or longer they could had time to fit a much better detailed or heartfelt story!
I think people are overthinking the backstory of a Tony/Victor variant. Doctor Doom’s mask is permanently affixed to his face, so I really hope they don’t plan on showing us RDJ’s face at all. Just use his voice and let’s get Doom right for once.
It depends. Some versions have a removable mask and different deforamaties. Stan wanted his face to be burnt while Kirby wanted a simple scar for example.
I also heard that Deadpool and Wolverine are returning for Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars as well. I'm pumped! Hope they'll do this right and both Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars should be three hours long. Also Avengers: Secret Wars part 2, if we do get a second part. Can't wait and love the MCU 3000!!!
What I don’t hear or see with this whole storyline is that there’s gonna be a Doomsday and Secret Wars without an Iron Man? How would that even be possible?!
My kids are going to be in college by the time doomsday come out
Reading Comprehension 101: waaaaaaay before RDJ, Doctor Doom is the most important character for both Jim Shooter's 1984 "SECRET WARS" and Jonathan Hickman's 2015 "SECRET WARS." That's not my opinion, btw... that is just Reading Comprehension 101. If you were to draft an outline or Cliffsnotes on either version of SECRET WARS, it better shows Doom as not only the biggest villain of the stories but the most important character. SECRET WARS is ESSENTIALLY a Doom story. Don't agree? Better go back to school.
i just can’t wait for these movies
Its as simple as that. In Russos I trust. And McFeely. So, I have full confidence they will pull it off.
The problem is these actors and actresses can’t do this forever. I do think it will be amazing and he will take over everything from Kang
I hope its Secret Wars 1984, because secret wars 2015 saw the beginning of the most awful era in marvel history: the "all new all different" era that continues into today. To imagine things being any worse is like wanting to witness horrors that you never really wanted to know existed and beg them to take it back
That’s exactly what we probably getting.
We got spoiled with those 4 movies so we expected all them to be just as good
I hope this movies are long and good.
I'm more excited to see The Fantastic Four First Steps than I am Doomsday. But I'm still excited for it and Secret Wars
They need to show the world again why they're the best directors for black panther ironically
I really hope they split Secret Wars into 2 movies. I think that's the only way to do the story and the characters enough justice.
I wonder if they’ll show any interaction between Tony/Pepper’s daughter and Doom? That would be one I’d like to see. That, and Peter Parker seeing him. But it can’t just be a montage of classic characters seeing Doom and being like, “wait…WHAAAAAT? Is that….Tony?!” That would get old, quickly! 😂
The likeness of Tony and Victor, I vision it something like this:
You open the movie by showing an alternate timeline Avengers fighting the original Doom, they all get killed except Iron Man. Tony defeats Doom but end up in a dark and gloomy place, he takes Victors alias and research his powers and is dead fixed on trying to save the multiverse to a point where he goes insane.
There you have it why the lookalike.
The Hobbit movies are so much better in the extended versions at about 2 hours and 45 minutes the theatrical versions were no where near as good!
Can’t wait 💥
If a movie sucks than who cares how long it is but if it’s great why wouldn’t you want it to be 3 or even 4 hours?!?
Is anyone else able to see that they are in fact making these stories up every single week I swear I see the same title every week.
Multiple updates about
Loki
Loki and avengers
But he has like 45 updates to doom and now official plot? Like huh
i reckon that loki still using the TVA to hunt down Kang variants stumbles across doom and he realizes that he could use him as an ally to destroy the council of kangs but in doing so doom tricks him and ends up trying to take his powers so loki has to search the multiverse to build an avengers team to help him defeat doom but eventually doom wins and creates battle world then we get secret wars
So is RDJ going to atleast play variants of iron man as well maybe a few or is he just Doctor doom and that’s it ?
He should, or I would feel really cheated if with all the limitless possibilities of the Multiverse Saga they only let him come back to play a Doctor Doom variant.
It will be wierd to see rdj vs rdj .dr doom shouldnt show his face if he doesnt then it will be fine but i think marvel didnt gave 100 million dollars not to show his face so they should cast someone for iron man like tom cruise
Kang Dynasty would of been better we were robbed
No
From my perspective I don’t have total confidence in this project but I do like the story from the comics and I do like the concept that they will adapt the story that made me happy from the comics and I like that they want to give the story some classic characters and they are dedicated to making the best movie they can and I like that they are setting up the Mutant saga. I strongly hope that this project becomes better with time and I look forward to hopefully finding out about a role for Shang Chi because if he isn’t in the story it would be really sad to me. However even though I don’t have perfect faith in this project, I do like the movies we’re getting this year and I like the way you promote this project a lot too!
I hope they have a Harris 'Down with Democracy ' commercial during the movie.
I don’t think so. Remember Tropic Thunder. RDJ is gunna be unrecognizable
Hoping Disney lets them do their thing. No message, no politics, no WOKE. Just good storytelling.
cry more right wing baby boy
Too late. Have you seen what they did to The Hulk
"..returning after accepting the casualties.." of the last few phases 😂
Yall remember when Tony Stark saw all the dead avengers? That will be paid off in Dommsday.
Who else listens to these videos at 1.25x speed? 🤚
What a time to be a marvel fan can't wait
Alan Silvestri is also coming back and reuniting with the russo bro's this year (The Electric State) and the next 2 Avengers Movies
I want to see Doctor Doom kills Thanos variant and will create planet le Battleworld
So Josh Brolin would play small role you think?
also wanna see him beat kang
Winter Soldier will forever b the best marvel movie ever no gods n magic straight street level action
I want to see Elon Musk make a cameo appearance in Secret Wars as an alternate universe Ironman. Just a cameo, not a roll.
Without Johnathon Majors I think this whole thing crash’s and burns. Re heated RDJ isn’t going to do the numbers he did the first run this is a bad idea waiting to fail and when it does I will be laughing
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We will wait and see who will laugh
Obviously, him being Robert is going to make the 616 peeps turn their heads. I also think him having powers is going to throw some through loops.
Avengers Doomsday should be 3 hours long and Avengers Secret Wars part 1 and part 2 are two hours long which adds the total of four hours
Yes Secret Wars part 2 reportedly entitled Avengers Forever will release in 2028
I can’t forget about the title for part 2 and I’m excited about the MCU for the next 3 years!!!
I wonder if in an alternate universe when the “snap” to bring everyone home happens by the Hulk, well the snap erases Morgan Stark….and Tony goes Doom on everyone and everything. Possible story line??
This deserve a 👍
amazing summary loooking foward to it. but more to cap 4 and thunderbolts then ff4 and superman.
Man, I just hate that we have to wait damn near like 5 to 6 years for these movies. My body is ready now. 😂
Came up with idea that Tony lost in a different timeline to thanos and in turn he started his path as Dr doom
Nah thats terrible russos clearly mentioned rdj as victor von doom there are three types of variants in marvel multiverse (live action)
Variants of different face of same character like spiderman loki etc and variants of same faces of same character like dr strange kang etc and variants of same faces of diiferent characters like chris evans johnny storm captain america
Rdj as dr doom is like 3rd one😊
hi The Cosmic Wonder
Thank everything for some good news finally, been pissed cause of the tt ban
Not good news tbh. Current condition of Marvel brand is more frightening than Infinity Saga moment. I'm not sure Avengers Doomsday will be bigger, in terms of hype, box office, and conversations, than Infinity War and Endgame
I think it would have made sense for RDJ to play Kang a decendant of Tony Stark instead of Reed.