Recent LDL 584. I’m 75, carnivore now and low carb for 10 years. Never been this healthy. My regret is not having this kind of knowledge several decades ago. I have much gratitude for this community!
@climate-civilizations yep, I was naturally a low carber earlier in my life, but I started following mainstream "experts" dietary advice and ate high carbohydrate low animal fat whole foods with minimal ASF. That led me to multiple physical ailments and mental health issues. If you live by the food pyramid, you'll die by the food pyramid. Good Health 👍
@myoung48281 The real question should be, "Was your health mediocre prior to carnivore, and how much has it improved since?". There's always a reason why most people are in this carnivore health space.
Prior to the widespread use of statins, which began in the late 1980s, the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) defined high cholesterol as: Total cholesterol: 300 mg/dL or higher LDL (bad) cholesterol: 190 mg/dL or higher HDL (good) cholesterol: Less than 40 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women In 1993, the NCEP introduced the Adult Treatment Panel (ATP) III guidelines, which lowered the threshold for high cholesterol to: Total cholesterol: 240 mg/dL or higher LDL cholesterol: 160 mg/dL or higher HDL cholesterol: Less than 40 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women The ATP III guidelines also introduced the concept of "optimal" cholesterol levels, which were defined as: Total cholesterol: Less than 200 mg/dL LDL cholesterol: Less than 130 mg/dL HDL cholesterol: 60 mg/dL or higher In 2013, the American College of Cardiology (ACC) and the American Heart Association (AHA) released new guidelines, which further lowered the threshold for high cholesterol to: Total cholesterol: 190 mg/dL or higher LDL cholesterol: 130 mg/dL or higher HDL cholesterol: Less than 60 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women The ACC/AHA guidelines also introduced a new classification system, which categorizes cholesterol levels into four groups: Normal: Less than 160 mg/dL Borderline high: 160-189 mg/dL High: 190-239 mg/dL Very high: 240 mg/dL or higher Follow the money!
Thank you for posting this information. I was already aware of this but seeing it laid out like you have done is good. QUESTION: Did they give triglyceride numbers?
@@thehassanhashemi Stop believing what mainstream fools tell you. It isn't the LDL it's the VLDL along with garbage sugar intense diets. Stress from life and garbage food starts the damage....
I am a LMHR. I have been carnivore for 2 years and have been following these scientists closely. I love how you now have the answers taped out and can succinctly explain even the results in past studies to demonstrate the truth. Thank you so much.
Always have high fat diet and high LDL as LMHR. Went to a state park in South Korea for 2 weeks where there was almost nothing to eat but all kinds of mushrooms. Could not find any quality oil except for corn oil, which I did not take since they are basically poisons. I have never been sick for years, but this time, got a cold out of nowhere (not covid or virus, simply a cold). I think it is because of the weakened immune system due to the lack of healthy fat😅.
@@finetrue yes. Also found and working with an endocrinologist to come off thyroid medication. All those wasted years of low fat, low salt, don’t eat eggs, minimize red meat, use margarine and not butter, followed the food pyramid.
I absolutely love how Dr. David Diamond, PhD, and Dr. Nadir Ali, a cardiologist, present CVD data. Every mainstream healthcare professional, particularly cardiologists, should receive a copy of or a link to their videos. These two and Dave Feldman are my go-to CVD information heroes.
Well done. Must be carnivore to be doing that well and I mean that. High LDL is great assuming your Triglycerides are low and your hdl is high. To be that high on LDL you have to be zero carb or very close to it. Don’t let your doctor discourage you. Keep up the good work and avoid those bungholes. They’ll just discourage you and ignore your amazing results and hyper focus on LDL. Cardiologists are the worst - avoid unless you need a CAC, but do not listen to their BS.
1 year carnivore, HDL:81 TRIG:70 LDL:337 TRIG-HDL RATIO: 0.86 I am wondering if lmhr and ldl levels increasing on low carb is more common than previously thought, as I see and hear so many reports of this. Perhaps it's just the natural healthy state.
@@MichaelDirk I'm not sure you fully understood my comment. Oscar_AH reported an LDL of 560. He has 'bragging rights' as in higher reported on this thread. Not a cause for celebration, not necessarily a cause for worry if the triglycerides:HDL ratio is good. Clear enough now?
@@Oscar_AH Very dangerous, because it raises ApoB lipoprotein particles which cause heart disease, as I explain in other comments. The longer it remains high, the greater the risk of heart disease and stroke. Don't let anyone here mislead you. Lot of ignorant people here.
Glad to see the cholesterol fallacy getting taken down brick by corrupt brick. Keep your LDL high folks. Carnivore is how you live well. I don’t want to live forever. I just want my years to be healthy without dementia.
ucchi, "cope" 12 years old vegan, these people are already older than you will ever be. My grandparents are over 700 and past 100 years of age. "Cope", kid.
You're just a little girl angry because reality is showing that all your "good girl" effort on "healthy diet" is useless therefore you wish these people's ⚰️💀.
You meat eaters don’t have the discipline to eat healthy so you take the easy way out. I get it. Fruits and vegetables aren’t as tasty as a steak, or burger. I noticed these people who promote keto demonize carbohydrates as one and the same, which is not true. Complex carbs, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts, legumes, sweet potatoes etc don’t cause insulin or blood sugar issues. It’s the simple sugar carbs that causes blood sugar and triglycerides issues. cakes, pies, cookies crackers, white flour, white rice, pasta. The speaker not once made a distinction. Between complex carbs, and simple sugar carbs. I wonder why? He never once said ALL carbs. He’s promoting his keto diet book.
Some of this first rate lecture will require further study by many non medical professionals to fully understand the implications. Essential viewing for all primary care professionals. Thank you Dave and David, this is such valuable information.
This video is the best LDL presentation I have seen so far. Covers all the bases with regard to a common sense approach to LDL. I am 66 years old and I’m on a low carb no processed food diet and have an LDL-C of 150 all other metabolic markers are very good . My doctor is pushing for statins. I asked for a Lipoprotein Particle Profile NMR blood test but doctor refused. So I got my own and found out my Small LDL P count was low at 295. Went back to my doctor and she has no idea what that means. Thanks for educating people like me that know we are healthy but are being pressured by doctors to be put on statins.
This presentation by David Diamond has a few things more than the one I listened to years ago. Perfect for the medical profession, which obviously hasn't had anything like that in their education. For us others, we just have to remember that from the doctors usual lipid tests it's still just the triglycerides to HDL ratio (ideally below 1.7) we need to be concerned about, not the LDL-C. And to avoid metabolic disease and diabetes, of course!
These videos are a really big help when I get my blood test cholesterol results back. My Triglyceride/HDL ratio of 1.14 is the best it's ever been on Carnivore but it's just so hard to not get concerned about the rest
"It's just so hard to not get concerned about the rest" because we've been repetitively fed a bunch of bs our entire lives. You're only human after all.
@@charlesincharge3404 this is exactly what i am going through right now. The brainwashing is giving us the gitters. My trg/hdl ratio is 08 but my ldl is 183 from december when it was 132. All other markers improved. My trg was 119 , hdl 52 prior to low carb diet. Ironically, i went low carb to decrease ldl , and trgs.
325 TC , TRIG 145, HDL 55 , A1C 5.6. 63F on HRT, BP 100/60 Weight 110, Active, and on zero chronic disease meds . My Ca+ Score is zero. No statins for me ! My parents were put on statins , became instant T2Ds and both died w Alzheimer’s. “Never a statin” is my mantra ! Doctors need to catch up on science.
Absolutely, and stick with it. My advice would be to avoid most everything packaged as "keto-friendly" in the supermarket, as well as making keto snacks for yourself. That's defeating the purpose...imo
My one last statement. Lean mass hyper-responders ( LMHR) is a bogus group assignment by those who are fixated on the cholesterol heart hypothesis. A strict Carnivore will have a high total cholesterol, high LDL-C, tryglycerides less than 100, and HDL 50 or greater putting one’s tryglycerides/HDL ratio less than 2. This equates to no Insulin resistance and a type A pattern LDL. The value that closest relates to CAD is a tryglycerides/ HDL ratio not LDL. No Association with CAD. To quote Cardiologist Nadir Ali, cholesterol is not the arson burning down your house, he is the fireman come to extinguish the inflammation. Those who see LMHR as an entity need to stop believing in a theory but follow the actual science. Use your critical thinking. Last but not least is Lpa really a risk factor? Or is it associated with CAD? Is it really a genetic mutation or a down stream effect of a toxic metabolism? Start reading the fine points of the research and stop accepting someone’s theories as fact. Stop being protocol pushers and start healing your patient through a proper human diet. Great presentation. Dr. Ginge
All Cholesterol is controlled by our bodies. No one should worry about high cholesterol when it comes to the heart. Systematic inflammation is more the worry to avoid most health issues. 😊
Dangerously wrong. People who listen to your nonsense put their lives at risk. Diets high in saturated fat and refined carbs lead to synthesis of LDL cholesterol. This in turn increases the number of ApoB lipoproteins that transport that cholesterol in the blood. When the number of those particles exceeds the body's physiological needs, they start to pass through the wall of the artery. Some of them get retained there and oxidized. The immune system responds with an inflammatory response, sending macrophages to eat those particles stuck inside the wall. Foam cells form leading to plaque formation, which is heart disease. Inflammation doesn't have to be present as a precondition but anything that injures and weakens the artery wall, like smoking, high blood pressure and diabetes accelerates this process. Therefore, high LDL cholesterol is very bad. The body makes all it needs.
Diamond has no idea what he's talking about, he's not qualified to speak on this subject. Low carb dieters experience 2.2x more heart attacks than standard american diet, with LMHR having the most.
Oh, ok, Dan, who are you to speak on whether Diamond is qualified Lets see your credentials! Maybe you got your sheepskin in the bottom of a box of Captain Crunch? Anyway, he is qualified enough to read the papers and expound on the graphs, anyone can show us the study and highlight the statistics on the screen! You know ,like Neal Barnard and Mikey Gregory do. Are you saying the studies are not correct?
I’m so thankful for this information, I have known this for a while, but I feel like now I’m armed better so I can’t let my cardiologist stop fear Mangling me. My ratio of tri/hdl is 1.1
My LDL in 2017 was 99 I had calcium in arteries a stent was put in 2018 my LDL was 148 and today 8/2024 my LDL is 130 I have not any issues. I have been on carnivore for about a month. I was on statins created muscle pain, she took me off one and ordered another this year, I have not taken them. I am just trying to learn more about this cholesterol,LDL situation.lol thank you so much for this information🥰🥰🥰
Great thanks for all of you, researchers and docs for finally giving answers for those with FH and genetic dysfunctions. You have not yet mentioned people who are hyper absorbers of cholesterol. Hope there will be a study on this issue too - concerning saturated fat. ❤🎉
If you have untreated FH and make it to 70, you're definitely not sensitive to LDL-caused heart disease, so you have fewer heart disease risk factors than the general population. Similarly, if people commonly died of bee allergies, beekeepers would be healthier after age 70 because only non-allergic ones would make it that far, but that wouldn't make beekeeping protective.
@@wocket42 obviously there is, because some people with FH get heart disease as young children (well before anyone else does), and people with PCSK9 loss of function mutations have dramatically lower rates of heart disease than everyone else.
Dave: when will you release the results from the LMHR study??? Many of us are living with keto-induced elevated LDL and we need to know about CVD progression in those with some underlying disease (like myself). PUBLISH ALREADY!!!!!
Nicely constructed and presented. I grabbed some of these studies from another of Dr. Diamond's presentations then gave them to my primary care provider.
Dave did you have any luck with getting David to meet with established experts in the field like you did with William Cromwell? Would be nice to see David have his evidence challenged by someone who might be able to explain the findings in the wider context of the literature such as all the evidence provided by the EAS to the contrary.
Great summary as always Dr. Diamond, thank you. It should be noted...at least IMHO, that the damage done by statins far outweighs any potential benefit for lowering risk of heart disease, for ANY population. To think of it another way...if you're metabolically unhealthy (you're not likely reading this anyway, but...) and can lower your risk for heart disease slightly with a statin, are you willing to accept dementia and/or cancer as the tradeoff, with the possibility of earlier death? Food for thought.
Exactly. Why not feed the brain with 2 grams of high quality fish oil and consumption of fatty fish. The DHA is necessary for the brain. The EPA is necessary for the cardiovascular system and heart. Dr. Stern Ekberg has a good podcast entitled : “What happens when you take fish oil everyday for 30 days?” A lot of excellent points in understandable language while touching all the key facts. A clear science based understanding. Clears up and corrects a lot of misunderstandings that are stated every day.
If your liver is normal, your diet is careful whole foods, you have an active life with modest stress, why should you worry about your cholesterol numbers?
Excellent information. Who is considered an "elderly person". Also, my understanding is the post menopausal women naturally produce high LDL-C levels because of estrogen hormone reduction. Is this rise in LDL to thwart disease and should it be treated with statin drugs? Also, can the endothethial glycocalyx be repaired?
My LDL is 224 , HDL 50 , TG 39 . I am not considered a LMHR as my HDL is below 80. I am on a low carb diet for many years. Wondering why my LDL is high.
Totally makes sense, it’s a matter of taking into account do many variables and as a Person who’s metabolically damaged ! I can now see the benefits of taking statin Although I’m not looking forward to the side effects because I’m already challenged in those areas .
It is funny to see how people attacking this talk without showing any evidence claim they are more qualified to speak their views, definitely not as “scientists” that they look down on, but maybe as a “doctor” that they refuse to prove 😂
@Tee667 I'm not a bot. Diamond literally told us what his domain is and it isn't Lipidology. He's just some armchair scientist that happens to align with Dave Feldman. Sort of.
Started Carnivore 2 months ago and Tryglicerides/HDL are 130/85 with a ratio of 1.5. I was expecting my Tryglicerides to come down lower from 167 but my HDL went up from 71 to 85. Maybe because I did not drink as much water between 6 pm and before my blood test which was at 9 am during my fast or should I have fasted longer than 14 hrs. Is that still an ok number for my Tryglicerides though my ratio is optimal? Thoughts please.
Give your body a few more months to heal and retest. You're going in the right direction. I read somewhere that a 16 or 18 hour fast may be better for some Carnivores.
So, what if you have LMHR numbers and high LP(a)? My numbers are good for every way you can measure insulin sensitivity and I had a zero CAC in 2022 at age 47.
Something interesting: I think I am the opposite of LMHR: Just got my blood work, 37mg/dl HDL, 98LDL, 146 trigliserides. And the kicker is I am low carb, my daily average for macros for the last two weeks are 95g fat, 50g carbs, 105 protein. I tried carnivore before that and introduced some veggies and a lot of eggs lately. I have no energy I think things are looking bad... I dunno what's happening.
I’ve read about this for years it’s evident jn my own family those with highest cholesterol live the longest Those with lowest ldl have had shorter lives lol under 70 raise cancer risk but lower immune function
I would like to see results of these same populations …. for people who take 2 grams of high quality fish oil for two plus years. And for people who ate fatty fish at least 5 times per week.
Those with FM, do they have (roughly) equal mortality because their cholesterol is lowered with medication? I.e. the statistics you show, are they for treated or non-treated FM people?
Question: If the benefit of a statin in unhealthy people is lowering inflammation and lowering clotting, would it not be better to give them Aspirine in stead of Statins? Aspirine has much less bad side effects, I think.
I wonder if data on the covids death and infections correlate any of this info. I would have like to see the cholesterol reading of people who died from covid infections. Also , diabetics were at high risk of dying of covid and those with metabolic issues. It would be great to look at these people cholesterol levels at the time of being sick with covid. I have been on a low carb diet for 8 months an my cholesterol skyrocketed.My stats from December 2023: Trg 119 HDL 52 ldl 132, April it was Trg 50, HDl 58 ldl 150 , August 2024 TRg 50, HDL 64 ldl 183.(I did a lipid profile only 3 days ago). I was really scared and I didnt know how to deal with it, even though I am aware of what causes the changes etc. I was wondering if I should stop the diet even though I have seen tons of video on cholesterol. I do not even have a doctor who understands this sort of thing. I also do not want to become diabetic. I went on the diet to mitigate metabolic diseases. At present i do not have any. I am 62 yrs old.
Unfortunately Professor, like many other researchers, misinterprets statistics. Let us look at the chart at 11:11. He says that the difference between the baseline and people with FH with low insulin is insignifiant. But that does not mean it is not there. We can clearly see that people with FH hat 50% higher risk of devloping CAD. The fact that it is not STATISTICALY insignificant, does not mean it is not there. The study was probably underpowered. I woud guess that if there were confidence intervals included it would probably be borderline significant.
I often wonder why people don't take the extra step to include links to studies in their descriptions. It would make it so much easier to verify and understand the information being shared.
Yeah, it's unfortunate they were not posted, but, the titles are clear in the presentation so you can just copy down the titles and search. The papers will come up.
Only if it is low in saturated fat. Diets high in saturated fat lead to LDL cholesterol synthesis, which requires more ApoB particles to transport it in the blood.
LMHR (Lean Mass Hyper Responder) These lean people's LDL increases massively on a low carb diet. Their Triglycerides are low and their HDL high. FH (Familiar Hyperlipidemia) Genetic abnormality when it comes to their lipids.
But he refers to an old study from 2001....It is not good use of science only to take these studies which benefits his sight of view - above all if they are ove 20 years old! If they were so right I guess some of these things had made its way in the medical treatments too. In one way or the other.
At the end ,he mentions the collaboration book put together by several dozen low carb experts, but, there is no link to the book or its title. I saw reference to it a while back, on a video, but, it was around $300, maybe, its down now and more reasonable?
Some advice from someone with no medical training (advantage), medical studies are extremely flawed, why? because such studies begin with a theory, and the researcher trying to prove the theory using statistics. However good statistical results are mostly based on coherent and consistent input (not the case of medical studies). Since humans haven't yet figured out how the human body functions, and worse, instead of working on what we do know about chemistry (organic), and inferring logically from it, the medical profession keeps guessing, which leads to all these conflicting studies. So let me ask some questions, 1. Why does the body produce LDL? 2. What is the function of LDL? you see where I am going, answering logically to these and you'll understand why LDL is not really "BAD" cholesterol.
@@climate-civilizations I think you missed my point. However, to your point, there is a world of difference. Cholesterol has structural functions, glucose is just fuel. You add unnecessary fuel, it overflows.
Thanks very much for the lecture. I have a good ratio 1.4 teig/hdl and no metabolic issies. Dr wants me on a statin. Dr calls me a citizen scientist.. im going to take it as a compliment but i thinkbkt was a backhanded insult.
I recently (finally) went from low carb/SAD to carnivore. According to Cronometer App, I typically land somewhere between 60to80% fat consumption. I'm 42, work a very physical job, and thanks to Carnivore, I've overcome my exertion/malaise/fatigue issues and can enjoy working out again on days off( like I did pre C19 era)... the energy is amazing. My total caloric intake averages higher than when iwas SAD/LOW Carb (3500-4000 - typical day of eating consists of a lb of chuck fried in butter -MEAL 1. and a lb of ground beef with 2-4oz cheese melted on -MEAL2... + bacon on my more hungrier days), yet I maintain a lovely-lean muscled 175+/-2lbs...I'm 5'10".... and no I don't consume the rendered down fat left in the pan ( just felt the need to clarify that because I always wondered if keto/carnis ate that when I used to watch videos and ponder one day trying keto/carni).... That goes in foil and into trash. my menu is very minimal. EGGS, CHUCK, GROUND BEEF (80/20 the leanest) pork belly, bacon (making sure it's not cured in any sugars and what nots) decent cheese and butter. The other day I treated myself to some air fried lobster, DIPPED IN NONE OTHER THAN BUTTER!!! YUMMMM along with flanken beef ribs!!....Nothing goes to waste- just to my belly. Actually saving money now. Easy to track. Easy to shop. Easy to clean. Easy to cook. So limited and yet somehow so satisfying every time! Going on 3 months Carnivore. Love it💪🏽LFG 🚀🚀🚀
4:59 incorrect. Diamond continues to show he doesn't understand hypothesis testing. Also, what you think you found here is just an example of simpsons paradox.
I bet some people are sensitive to LDL-caused heart disease and some aren't (whether that's because of genetics or lifestyle). People with untreated FH die young if they're sensitive, and live normally if they're not, whereas people with lower LDL levels die in old age whether LDL-caused heart disease is what gets them or not.
Hallo please. This is not a place for stupid comments! You have most likely heard more the 7 times that colesterol(LDL particles are bad) and belived it. You can't answer intelligently, if you can do so!
@methanial73 Proofs are only appropriate in mathematics. I've attacked two things he's said. I pointed out that 1, the finding he thinks he found (which at odds with the results of his hypothesis test) is Simpson's paradox and he needs to deal with it. 2, Diamond confuses a decision to ignore and association with a belief there is no association.
@@ucchi9829 What special analysis do you think is needed. While the subgroup by age may show a type of Simpson's paradox (subsets being different than the overall population), it is sufficient to show that lifelong high LDL alone is not increasing mortality -- that is his hypothesis and the analysis is consistent with that hypothesis. My only concern is that the hypothesis was not stated before the experiment, but a post-hoc one (which is always weaker) so not clear what type of statistical correction would be needed as we cannot really know how many different subsets were tried before finding one. But the 20 year bins used seems pretty benign to me.
Recent LDL 584. I’m 75, carnivore now and low carb for 10 years. Never been this healthy. My regret is not having this kind of knowledge several decades ago. I have much gratitude for this community!
Cholesterol is part of your innate protective system for your health, and, of course, they would want to lower it.
@@LowCarbLowDrama I like your handle - Low Carb, Low Drama. Carbs do overexcite the brain.
@climate-civilizations yep, I was naturally a low carber earlier in my life, but I started following mainstream "experts" dietary advice and ate high carbohydrate low animal fat whole foods with minimal ASF. That led me to multiple physical ailments and mental health issues. If you live by the food pyramid, you'll die by the food pyramid.
Good Health 👍
How long were you not carnivore, lol. Thank that.
@myoung48281 The real question should be, "Was your health mediocre prior to carnivore, and how much has it improved since?". There's always a reason why most people are in this carnivore health space.
Prior to the widespread use of statins, which began in the late 1980s, the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) defined high cholesterol as:
Total cholesterol: 300 mg/dL or higher
LDL (bad) cholesterol: 190 mg/dL or higher
HDL (good) cholesterol: Less than 40 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women
In 1993, the NCEP introduced the Adult Treatment Panel (ATP) III guidelines, which lowered the threshold for high cholesterol to:
Total cholesterol: 240 mg/dL or higher
LDL cholesterol: 160 mg/dL or higher
HDL cholesterol: Less than 40 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women
The ATP III guidelines also introduced the concept of "optimal" cholesterol levels, which were defined as:
Total cholesterol: Less than 200 mg/dL
LDL cholesterol: Less than 130 mg/dL
HDL cholesterol: 60 mg/dL or higher
In 2013, the American College of Cardiology (ACC) and the American Heart Association (AHA) released new guidelines, which further lowered the threshold for high cholesterol to:
Total cholesterol: 190 mg/dL or higher
LDL cholesterol: 130 mg/dL or higher
HDL cholesterol: Less than 60 mg/dL in men, less than 50 mg/dL in women
The ACC/AHA guidelines also introduced a new classification system, which categorizes cholesterol levels into four groups:
Normal: Less than 160 mg/dL
Borderline high: 160-189 mg/dL
High: 190-239 mg/dL
Very high: 240 mg/dL or higher
Follow the money!
I've been aware of this "nonsense" but you have it summarized nicely here all in one place.
Thank you for posting this information. I was already aware of this but seeing it laid out like you have done is good. QUESTION: Did they give triglyceride numbers?
Damn
Those who do not learn from history are doomed.
Thank you for this summary. Really an eye opener.
My LDL is 541 but it has been high or supposedly very high for 45 years. My HDL is 80 and of course I am Carnivore and feel super great. I am 69.
What is yr blood type?
@@nuryener9188 I am just an O+ kind of guy.
@@andredaedone7732 maybe that is why you can tolerate such high c. Dr.dadamo says o types r meat guys
Make sure you do not feel too great as it’s one of the many causes of heart attack/heart disease 🎉❤
@@thehassanhashemi Stop believing what mainstream fools tell you. It isn't the LDL it's the VLDL along with garbage sugar intense diets. Stress from life and garbage food starts the damage....
I am a LMHR. I have been carnivore for 2 years and have been following these scientists closely. I love how you now have the answers taped out and can succinctly explain even the results in past studies to demonstrate the truth. Thank you so much.
Has anyone noticed that they have been less sick since their LDL has been a lot higher ?? and obviously low triglycerides and higher HDL
Always have high fat diet and high LDL as LMHR. Went to a state park in South Korea for 2 weeks where there was almost nothing to eat but all kinds of mushrooms. Could not find any quality oil except for corn oil, which I did not take since they are basically poisons. I have never been sick for years, but this time, got a cold out of nowhere (not covid or virus, simply a cold). I think it is because of the weakened immune system due to the lack of healthy fat😅.
Yes
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@@finetrue yes. Also found and working with an endocrinologist to come off thyroid medication. All those wasted years of low fat, low salt, don’t eat eggs, minimize red meat, use margarine and not butter, followed the food pyramid.
What about Apoe4?
I absolutely love how Dr. David Diamond, PhD, and Dr. Nadir Ali, a cardiologist, present CVD data. Every mainstream healthcare professional, particularly cardiologists, should receive a copy of or a link to their videos.
These two and Dave Feldman are my go-to CVD information heroes.
This talk comes to me in perfect timing.
I just got my LDL test results as 560
Well done. Must be carnivore to be doing that well and I mean that. High LDL is great assuming your Triglycerides are low and your hdl is high. To be that high on LDL you have to be zero carb or very close to it.
Don’t let your doctor discourage you. Keep up the good work and avoid those bungholes. They’ll just discourage you and ignore your amazing results and hyper focus on LDL. Cardiologists are the worst - avoid unless you need a CAC, but do not listen to their BS.
You earned the bragging rights, friend. I'm 'only' at 446. Hope your HDL are high and triglycerides low.
1 year carnivore, HDL:81 TRIG:70 LDL:337 TRIG-HDL RATIO: 0.86
I am wondering if lmhr and ldl levels increasing on low carb is more common than previously thought, as I see and hear so many reports of this. Perhaps it's just the natural healthy state.
@@MichaelDirk I'm not sure you fully understood my comment. Oscar_AH reported an LDL of 560. He has 'bragging rights' as in higher reported on this thread. Not a cause for celebration, not necessarily a cause for worry if the triglycerides:HDL ratio is good. Clear enough now?
@@Oscar_AH Very dangerous, because it raises ApoB lipoprotein particles which cause heart disease, as I explain in other comments. The longer it remains high, the greater the risk of heart disease and stroke. Don't let anyone here mislead you. Lot of ignorant people here.
Glad to see the cholesterol fallacy getting taken down brick by corrupt brick. Keep your LDL high folks. Carnivore is how you live well. I don’t want to live forever. I just want my years to be healthy without dementia.
@@BeefNEggs057 cope
ucchi, "cope" 12 years old vegan, these people are already older than you will ever be. My grandparents are over 700 and past 100 years of age. "Cope", kid.
You're just a little girl angry because reality is showing that all your "good girl" effort on "healthy diet" is useless therefore you wish these people's ⚰️💀.
You meat eaters don’t have the discipline to eat healthy so you take the easy way out. I get it. Fruits and vegetables aren’t as tasty as a steak, or burger. I noticed these people who promote keto demonize carbohydrates as one and the same, which is not true. Complex carbs, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans, nuts, legumes, sweet potatoes etc don’t cause insulin or blood sugar issues. It’s the simple sugar carbs that causes blood sugar and triglycerides issues. cakes, pies, cookies crackers, white flour, white rice, pasta. The speaker not once made a distinction. Between complex carbs, and simple sugar carbs. I wonder why? He never once said ALL carbs. He’s promoting his keto diet book.
@@captainadams7569 You simply don't get it, and likely never will. I actually feel sorry for you, and hope someone shows you the light one day.
🙏👏🏻💝
I cannot express how much I appreciate the work of David Diamond.
Some of this first rate lecture will require further study by many non medical professionals to fully understand the implications. Essential viewing for all primary care professionals. Thank you Dave and David, this is such valuable information.
This video is the best LDL presentation I have seen so far. Covers all the bases with regard to a common sense approach to LDL. I am 66 years old and I’m on a low carb no processed food diet and have an LDL-C of 150 all other metabolic markers are very good . My doctor is pushing for statins. I asked for a Lipoprotein Particle Profile NMR blood test but doctor refused. So I got my own and found out my Small LDL P count was low at 295. Went back to my doctor and she has no idea what that means. Thanks for educating people like me that know we are healthy but are being pressured by doctors to be put on statins.
This presentation by David Diamond has a few things more than the one I listened to years ago.
Perfect for the medical profession, which obviously hasn't had anything like that in their education.
For us others, we just have to remember that from the doctors usual lipid tests it's still just the triglycerides to HDL ratio (ideally below 1.7) we need to be concerned about, not the LDL-C.
And to avoid metabolic disease and diabetes, of course!
Thank you Dave Feldman and DR Diamond for a fascinating presentation.
These videos are a really big help when I get my blood test cholesterol results back. My Triglyceride/HDL ratio of 1.14 is the best it's ever been on Carnivore but it's just so hard to not get concerned about the rest
"It's just so hard to not get concerned about the rest" because we've been repetitively fed a bunch of bs our entire lives. You're only human after all.
@@charlesincharge3404 this is exactly what i am going through right now. The brainwashing is giving us the gitters. My trg/hdl ratio is 08 but my ldl is 183 from december when it was 132. All other markers improved. My trg was 119 , hdl 52 prior to low carb diet. Ironically, i went low carb to decrease ldl , and trgs.
325 TC , TRIG 145, HDL 55 , A1C 5.6. 63F on HRT, BP 100/60 Weight 110, Active, and on zero chronic disease meds . My Ca+ Score is zero. No statins for me ! My parents were put on statins , became instant T2Ds and both died w Alzheimer’s. “Never a statin” is my mantra ! Doctors need to catch up on science.
Great presentation! The contrast between when statins are beneficial and when they are not was really helpful.
Mabye they can to a degree, but not for lowering colesterol, but maybe for inflamation.
I found this presentation reassuring that my change over to keto is a good choice.
Absolutely, and stick with it. My advice would be to avoid most everything packaged as "keto-friendly" in the supermarket, as well as making keto snacks for yourself. That's defeating the purpose...imo
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Thanks for the studies and info. Very helpful. A few folks i'm around sometimes need a coax to do something, others need it to not worry so much.
Loved this talk - thanks for posting Dave
Dave this is the second video posted that I could not get enough of!..brilliant as a HMHR much appreciated.
My one last statement. Lean mass hyper-responders ( LMHR) is a bogus group assignment by those who are fixated on the cholesterol heart hypothesis. A strict Carnivore will have a high total cholesterol, high LDL-C, tryglycerides less than 100, and HDL 50 or greater putting one’s tryglycerides/HDL ratio less than 2. This equates to no Insulin resistance and a type A pattern LDL. The value that closest relates to CAD is a tryglycerides/ HDL ratio not LDL. No Association with CAD. To quote Cardiologist Nadir Ali, cholesterol is not the arson burning down your house, he is the fireman come to extinguish the inflammation. Those who see LMHR as an entity need to stop believing in a theory but follow the actual science. Use your critical thinking. Last but not least is Lpa really a risk factor? Or is it associated with CAD? Is it really a genetic mutation or a down stream effect of a toxic metabolism? Start reading the fine points of the research and stop accepting someone’s theories as fact. Stop being protocol pushers and start healing your patient through a proper human diet. Great presentation. Dr. Ginge
All Cholesterol is controlled by our bodies. No one should worry about high cholesterol when it comes to the heart. Systematic inflammation is more the worry to avoid most health issues. 😊
Dangerously wrong. People who listen to your nonsense put their lives at risk. Diets high in saturated fat and refined carbs lead to synthesis of LDL cholesterol. This in turn increases the number of ApoB lipoproteins that transport that cholesterol in the blood. When the number of those particles exceeds the body's physiological needs, they start to pass through the wall of the artery. Some of them get retained there and oxidized. The immune system responds with an inflammatory response, sending macrophages to eat those particles stuck inside the wall. Foam cells form leading to plaque formation, which is heart disease. Inflammation doesn't have to be present as a precondition but anything that injures and weakens the artery wall, like smoking, high blood pressure and diabetes accelerates this process. Therefore, high LDL cholesterol is very bad. The body makes all it needs.
A great talk… completely evicerates the trope that LDL is the enemy and that taking statins is necessary….
Diamond has no idea what he's talking about, he's not qualified to speak on this subject. Low carb dieters experience 2.2x more heart attacks than standard american diet, with LMHR having the most.
@@dan11D179 Can you share your sources for these claims?
@@dan11D179 prove it… where is your evidence…
Oh, ok, Dan, who are you to speak on whether Diamond is qualified Lets see your credentials! Maybe you got your sheepskin in the bottom of a box of Captain Crunch? Anyway, he is qualified enough to read the papers and expound on the graphs, anyone can show us the study and highlight the statistics on the screen! You know ,like Neal Barnard and Mikey Gregory do. Are you saying the studies are not correct?
Nope
Great service to society
I’m so thankful for this information, I have known this for a while, but I feel like now I’m armed better so I can’t let my cardiologist stop fear Mangling me. My ratio of tri/hdl is 1.1
This is a priceless podcast thank you
In other words eat low carb to get the trigs close to the HDL number and forget about LDL
Yes good. Carnivore is the only way to do that for me.
@@johnsonpaul1914 Dave Feldman would disagree
@@ucchi9829 Please elaborate.
@@ucchi9829Diamond just said essentially the same thing I did, Listen to the video.
@Malcolm-Achtman Feldman does not agree with the idea of ignoring LDL-C. Look up his talk with Dr Avi.
My LDL in 2017 was 99 I had calcium in arteries a stent was put in 2018 my LDL was 148 and today 8/2024 my LDL is 130 I have not any issues. I have been on carnivore for about a month. I was on statins created muscle pain, she took me off one and ordered another this year, I have not taken them. I am just trying to learn more about this cholesterol,LDL situation.lol thank you so much for this information🥰🥰🥰
Great thanks for all of you, researchers and docs for finally giving answers for those with FH and genetic dysfunctions. You have not yet mentioned people who are hyper absorbers of cholesterol. Hope there will be a study on this issue too - concerning saturated fat. ❤🎉
Check Dr Paul Mason. His TH-cam channel has information re Saturated Fat.
Thank you Doctor, again. I've been following your lectures since you exposed the statin myth. Shared those videos withany friends . God bless you!
If you have untreated FH and make it to 70, you're definitely not sensitive to LDL-caused heart disease, so you have fewer heart disease risk factors than the general population. Similarly, if people commonly died of bee allergies, beekeepers would be healthier after age 70 because only non-allergic ones would make it that far, but that wouldn't make beekeeping protective.
There is no LDL-caused HD, though.
@@wocket42 obviously there is, because some people with FH get heart disease as young children (well before anyone else does), and people with PCSK9 loss of function mutations have dramatically lower rates of heart disease than everyone else.
Dave: when will you release the results from the LMHR study???
Many of us are living with keto-induced elevated LDL and we need to know about CVD progression in those with some underlying disease (like myself).
PUBLISH ALREADY!!!!!
finally i see the connection. this is a very illuminating talk. !
Thank you so much for this vindicating video !!
Excellent!!
Life saving information!…The The information is EXCEPTIONALLY well communicated.
Thank you and God Bless 🙏
Thank YOU !
great info - well done!
Nicely constructed and presented. I grabbed some of these studies from another of Dr. Diamond's presentations then gave them to my primary care provider.
Forget about cholesterol .PERIOD!
Dave did you have any luck with getting David to meet with established experts in the field like you did with William Cromwell? Would be nice to see David have his evidence challenged by someone who might be able to explain the findings in the wider context of the literature such as all the evidence provided by the EAS to the contrary.
Great summary as always Dr. Diamond, thank you. It should be noted...at least IMHO, that the damage done by statins far outweighs any potential benefit for lowering risk of heart disease, for ANY population. To think of it another way...if you're metabolically unhealthy (you're not likely reading this anyway, but...) and can lower your risk for heart disease slightly with a statin, are you willing to accept dementia and/or cancer as the tradeoff, with the possibility of earlier death? Food for thought.
Exactly.
Why not feed the brain with 2 grams of high quality fish oil and consumption of fatty fish. The DHA is necessary for the brain. The EPA is necessary for the cardiovascular system and heart.
Dr. Stern Ekberg has a good podcast entitled : “What happens when you take fish oil everyday for 30 days?”
A lot of excellent points in understandable language while touching all the key facts.
A clear science based understanding.
Clears up and corrects a lot of misunderstandings that are stated every day.
I learned a lot. Thank-you!
If your liver is normal, your diet is careful whole foods, you have an active life with modest stress, why should you worry about your cholesterol numbers?
I eat meat , exercise, do farm chores and stay away from doctors . 61 years old and have tons of energy and no meds .
Excellent!
Excellent information. Who is considered an "elderly person". Also, my understanding is the post menopausal women naturally produce high LDL-C levels because of estrogen hormone reduction. Is this rise in LDL to thwart disease and should it be treated with statin drugs? Also, can the endothethial glycocalyx be repaired?
My LDL is 224 , HDL 50 , TG 39 . I am not considered a LMHR as my HDL is below 80. I am on a low carb diet for many years. Wondering why my LDL is high.
very good lecture!
Awesome learned so much
Totally makes sense, it’s a matter of taking into account do many variables and as a Person who’s metabolically damaged !
I can now see the benefits of taking statin
Although I’m not looking forward to the side effects because I’m already challenged in those areas .
Brilliant.
When he says LdL does it matter if it’s ldl small that is high?
It is funny to see how people attacking this talk without showing any evidence claim they are more qualified to speak their views, definitely not as “scientists” that they look down on, but maybe as a “doctor” that they refuse to prove 😂
@@finetrue Diamond is not a domain expert here.
Ya know I’ve come to see comments such as these as BOts. They make no sense other than to cause a reaction and an illogical one at that
@Tee667 I'm not a bot. Diamond literally told us what his domain is and it isn't Lipidology. He's just some armchair scientist that happens to align with Dave Feldman. Sort of.
@@ucchi9829 I wasn’t referring to you. I was referring to the comments that you mentioned
@@Tee667 oh.
Carnivore HDL 105 LDL 100. TG 50.
LDL 100? That can't be right!
@@climate-civilizations haha don't know why you say that but it is right
HDL 100 LDL 137 TG 89
Whooohooo! part of the immune system! Good to hear this discussed.
Started Carnivore 2 months ago and Tryglicerides/HDL are 130/85 with a ratio of 1.5. I was expecting my Tryglicerides to come down lower from 167 but my HDL went up from 71 to 85. Maybe because I did not drink as much water between 6 pm and before my blood test which was at 9 am during my fast or should I have fasted longer than 14 hrs. Is that still an ok number for my Tryglicerides though my ratio is optimal? Thoughts please.
Give your body a few more months to heal and retest. You're going in the right direction. I read somewhere that a 16 or 18 hour fast may be better for some Carnivores.
So, what if you have LMHR numbers and high LP(a)? My numbers are good for every way you can measure insulin sensitivity and I had a zero CAC in 2022 at age 47.
Something interesting: I think I am the opposite of LMHR:
Just got my blood work, 37mg/dl HDL, 98LDL, 146 trigliserides. And the kicker is I am low carb, my daily average for macros for the last two weeks are 95g fat, 50g carbs, 105 protein. I tried carnivore before that and introduced some veggies and a lot of eggs lately. I have no energy I think things are looking bad... I dunno what's happening.
I’ve read about this for years it’s evident jn my own family those with highest cholesterol live the longest Those with lowest ldl have had shorter lives lol under 70 raise cancer risk but lower immune function
I want to read those studies. If the. References are not here I will be poking you. 😅
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I would like to see results of these same populations ….
for people who take 2 grams of high quality fish oil for two plus years.
And for people who ate fatty fish at least 5 times per week.
So 14 months carnivore, HDL 98, LDL 105, TG 50. I must be a lean mass HYPOresponder?
What is an LMHR?
Those with FM, do they have (roughly) equal mortality because their cholesterol is lowered with medication? I.e. the statistics you show, are they for treated or non-treated FM people?
Question: If the benefit of a statin in unhealthy people is lowering inflammation and lowering clotting, would it not be better to give them Aspirine in stead of Statins? Aspirine has much less bad side effects, I think.
What does FH mean ?
Dana White's triglycerides were 764.
Who is that? KMBZ?
What is the difference of someone who has FH and someone with high LDL?
LDL does not equal LDL-P. Any studies looking at LDL-P vs LDL-C?
I wonder if data on the covids death and infections correlate any of this info. I would have like to see the cholesterol reading of people who died from covid infections. Also , diabetics were at high risk of dying of covid and those with metabolic issues. It would be great to look at these people cholesterol levels at the time of being sick with covid.
I have been on a low carb diet for 8 months an my cholesterol skyrocketed.My stats from December 2023: Trg 119 HDL 52 ldl 132, April it was Trg 50, HDl 58 ldl 150 , August 2024 TRg 50, HDL 64 ldl 183.(I did a lipid profile only 3 days ago). I was really scared and I didnt know how to deal with it, even though I am aware of what causes the changes etc. I was wondering if I should stop the diet even though I have seen tons of video on cholesterol. I do not even have a doctor who understands this sort of thing. I also do not want to become diabetic. I went on the diet to mitigate metabolic diseases. At present i do not have any. I am 62 yrs old.
Then what causes plaque
The proposed numbers of healthy and clinical sdLDL are imminent to become mainstream.
So what to fo if you have high apo a? I thought apo a was genetic and cannot change it?
Unfortunately Professor, like many other researchers, misinterprets statistics. Let us look at the chart at 11:11. He says that the difference between the baseline and people with FH with low insulin is insignifiant. But that does not mean it is not there. We can clearly see that people with FH hat 50% higher risk of devloping CAD. The fact that it is not STATISTICALY insignificant, does not mean it is not there. The study was probably underpowered. I woud guess that if there were confidence intervals included it would probably be borderline significant.
What is FH? LMHR?
Would you please link the papers cited by Diamond into the show notes?
I often wonder why people don't take the extra step to include links to studies in their descriptions. It would make it so much easier to verify and understand the information being shared.
Yeah, it's unfortunate they were not posted, but, the titles are clear in the presentation so you can just copy down the titles and search. The papers will come up.
Does a low-carb diet improve ApoB ?
Only if it is low in saturated fat. Diets high in saturated fat lead to LDL cholesterol synthesis, which requires more ApoB particles to transport it in the blood.
What's FH and LMHR?
Familial Hypercholesterolemia and Lean Mass Hyper-Responder.
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The odd thing is my HDL was low on statins and went up to high when I stopped it. HDL from 38 to 56. Diet was the same.
Not odd at all. Cholesterol lowering drugs lower everything, HDL, LDL and triglycerides, there is no targeting of LDL and/or triglycerides.
What are LMHR and FH?
LMHR
(Lean Mass Hyper Responder)
These lean people's LDL increases massively on a low carb diet.
Their Triglycerides are low and their HDL high.
FH (Familiar Hyperlipidemia)
Genetic abnormality when it comes to their lipids.
@@acke26 thanks
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Thank you
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Familial hypercholesterolemia....
But he refers to an old study from 2001....It is not good use of science only to take these studies which benefits his sight of view - above all if they are ove 20 years old! If they were so right I guess some of these things had made its way in the medical treatments too. In one way or the other.
Take your vitamin K2.
At the end ,he mentions the collaboration book put together by several dozen low carb experts, but, there is no link to the book or its title. I saw reference to it a while back, on a video, but, it was around $300, maybe, its down now and more reasonable?
Seems logical to measure cholesterol levels of heart attack patients and work backwards ...
CRP?
What is FH?
Familial hypercholesterolemia
Familial hypercholesterolemia
LMHR is what?
Oh, got it. Lean Mass hyper responders
LMHR? FH? I have been carnivore since the beginning of this year.
Some advice from someone with no medical training (advantage), medical studies are extremely flawed, why? because such studies begin with a theory, and the researcher trying to prove the theory using statistics. However good statistical results are mostly based on coherent and consistent input (not the case of medical studies). Since humans haven't yet figured out how the human body functions, and worse, instead of working on what we do know about chemistry (organic), and inferring logically from it, the medical profession keeps guessing, which leads to all these conflicting studies. So let me ask some questions, 1. Why does the body produce LDL? 2. What is the function of LDL? you see where I am going, answering logically to these and you'll understand why LDL is not really "BAD" cholesterol.
And notice I haven't mentioned BIG PHARMA at all 🤣
The body produces glucose too and yet we talk about reducing exogenous carbs.
@@climate-civilizations I think you missed my point. However, to your point, there is a world of difference. Cholesterol has structural functions, glucose is just fuel. You add unnecessary fuel, it overflows.
Thanks very much for the lecture. I have a good ratio 1.4 teig/hdl and no metabolic issies. Dr wants me on a statin. Dr calls me a citizen scientist.. im going to take it as a compliment but i thinkbkt was a backhanded insult.
but mice on high protean diet have higher mortality.
Isn’t the optimum diet HFLC, moderate protein?
Lab mice have abnormally high cellular telemere lengths relative to wild type making much of todays preclinical science non generalizable to humans
I recently (finally) went from low carb/SAD to carnivore. According to Cronometer App, I typically land somewhere between 60to80% fat consumption. I'm 42, work a very physical job, and thanks to Carnivore, I've overcome my exertion/malaise/fatigue issues and can enjoy working out again on days off( like I did pre C19 era)... the energy is amazing. My total caloric intake averages higher than when iwas SAD/LOW Carb (3500-4000 - typical day of eating consists of a lb of chuck fried in butter -MEAL 1. and a lb of ground beef with 2-4oz cheese melted on -MEAL2... + bacon on my more hungrier days), yet I maintain a lovely-lean muscled 175+/-2lbs...I'm 5'10".... and no I don't consume the rendered down fat left in the pan ( just felt the need to clarify that because I always wondered if keto/carnis ate that when I used to watch videos and ponder one day trying keto/carni).... That goes in foil and into trash.
my menu is very minimal. EGGS, CHUCK, GROUND BEEF (80/20 the leanest) pork belly, bacon (making sure it's not cured in any sugars and what nots) decent cheese and butter. The other day I treated myself to some air fried lobster, DIPPED IN NONE OTHER THAN BUTTER!!! YUMMMM along with flanken beef ribs!!....Nothing goes to waste- just to my belly. Actually saving money now. Easy to track. Easy to shop. Easy to clean. Easy to cook. So limited and yet somehow so satisfying every time! Going on 3 months Carnivore. Love it💪🏽LFG 🚀🚀🚀
4:59 incorrect. Diamond continues to show he doesn't understand hypothesis testing. Also, what you think you found here is just an example of simpsons paradox.
I bet some people are sensitive to LDL-caused heart disease and some aren't (whether that's because of genetics or lifestyle). People with untreated FH die young if they're sensitive, and live normally if they're not, whereas people with lower LDL levels die in old age whether LDL-caused heart disease is what gets them or not.
Hallo please. This is not a place for stupid comments! You have most likely heard more the 7 times that colesterol(LDL particles are bad) and belived it. You can't answer intelligently, if you can do so!
This video is not for the layman. He uses doctor terms for everything and doesn't explain them. He's certainly NOT a good teacher.
Thank you for letting him speak. Sure he's a quack, sophist, who refuses to debate. But your audience can reaffirm their wrong ideas about ASCVD.
Who’s the quack vegan calling names? You are 🤡
Who’s a quack? You’re the one calling names instead of producing a counter argument. Typical vegan.
You haven't refuted anything he said and personal attacks are a refuge of dishonest people. Prove him wrong, don't attack him.
@methanial73 Proofs are only appropriate in mathematics. I've attacked two things he's said. I pointed out that 1, the finding he thinks he found (which at odds with the results of his hypothesis test) is Simpson's paradox and he needs to deal with it. 2, Diamond confuses a decision to ignore and association with a belief there is no association.
@@ucchi9829 What special analysis do you think is needed. While the subgroup by age may show a type of Simpson's paradox (subsets being different than the overall population), it is sufficient to show that lifelong high LDL alone is not increasing mortality -- that is his hypothesis and the analysis is consistent with that hypothesis. My only concern is that the hypothesis was not stated before the experiment, but a post-hoc one (which is always weaker) so not clear what type of statistical correction would be needed as we cannot really know how many different subsets were tried before finding one. But the 20 year bins used seems pretty benign to me.
What does FH mean?
Look at the LMHR / FH comparative slide at 3.15
What is LMHR?
Hiper Respondedores