"How about the whole show just them" as a Kimchay lover, I support that. xD But Jeff and Barcode will have a series together this year, so I'm looking forward to it. Btw Chay is 18 and Kim is around 20, so it'd be okay is the characters had sexual scenes, but well, that's not the route they went with and that's totally adorable, because I'm a fan of cute and emotional ships. And those two are the cutest.
I left this comment on another reaction but it's more about why Kinn acts so inconsistent when you compare him over the episodes. Kinn and Porsche are wearing a mask, but Kinn especially, he's a prince raised in a world of moral debauchery, lost his mother, and has bothers who are incapable/don't want to take helm and at least we know from episode 3 that he doesn't actually like this world he lives in but doesn't have a choice as they are at war, he's morally corrupt, has massive trust issues and has been heart broken, from the convo with his dad it has terrible consequences to his family. From the get we see that he's emotionally constipated and has no idea what to do/say especially when he's feeling guilt and regret (these emotions are useless and deadly for his world), he's also has to listen to his dad who reprimands him for his "failure" showing maybe a glimpse to his childhood also with I am more like my mom. So domination and cruelty are how he functions when he has no idea what to do or feel, I mean he had to take advice from Pete on how to talk like a normal person because he's never had to, like a little prince everyone defers to him, he makes every room his throne even his friends put him at the centre and defer to his authority. Porsche is the only one who doesn't do that, from the get go his ask "are you a god" and carried on with his language and behaviour to treat him like an equal and sometimes even beneath him.
You are so right! There's not much background story to Kinn's past, yet people as so quick to judge his character based on his actions now. These past 5 episodes, we mainly see more of Porsche's storyline and practically nothing of Kinn's, aside from the fact that he is now a Mafia boss. Did Pete not say that 'Kinn doesn't used to be this harsh and cruel'? Did Kinn not say 'if you were me (and everyone wants me dead), you would be suspicious of every one'? Isn't it known that Kinn was once in love, betrayed and something bad happened and somehow Vegas was involved as he knows exactly what went down? I will not 'spoil' this further but I find it amusing that the bike-ride scene is misconstrued when we know what a psychopath Vegas is (unless they decide to amend his character in the series). There is a reason why the series is KinnPorsche and not PorscheKinn. Let more episodes unfold and we might see that ultimately, it's the 'taming' of Kinn.
What a beautiful character analysis! 👏🏻 I agree a hundred percent! I love Kinn and he will act more human in the woods, their relationship will develop a lot but still he has a long way to go to be tamed :)
The parallel scene between Porsche,the girl at the bar and kinn and his boytoy. I interpreted it as Porsche getting trauma response and kinn feeling guilty for what he had done. Thats y every time kinn got reminded of porsche he tried to push it back down and hence became rougher. But he stopped when he looked at himself in the mirror, Ig that's him reflecting thru his actions. This was my interpretation of the scene but when I went online, no one seemed to have similar thoughts everyone said they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other? It just didn't make sense to me. Also the scene where kinn says " ur life is mine" and porsche says " then go ahead do what u want" everyone put a Romantic spin to it and said Porsche wanted to kinn to kiss him cuz he wanted to know he was special to kinn. I saw it as Porsche baiting kinn, he wanted kinn to kiss him so he can affirm that indeed kinn was a sexual predator. He wanted that evidence to antagonise kinn in his mind cuz unfortunately Porsche feels it is his fault to a certain extent. I'd say one scene that shows Porsche sees kinn romantically could be the sauna scene. Cuz just a light promt from kinn made Porsche open up about his mum and also when kinn got up to pour water, Porsche asks "r u leaving" while looking disappointed. But I agree this isn't a strong enuf evidence to show Porsche is interested in kinn romantically. Also I'm convinced at this point that Porsche is an alcoholic lol. This man can't go on for one episode without getting drunk. Also the girl on the right (sorry idk ur name) clothes r so pretty. Sorry for the long post lol I'm blabbering
I apologize for the intrusion, i just want to point something out. I'm one of those people that had a completely opposite interpretation/reaction than yours, however i'm not here to argue or make you change your mind, in fact i respect all opinions and i quite enjoy seeing different pov. Back to the reason i decided to comment; "...when I went online, no one seemed to have similar thoughts everyone said they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other? It just didn't make sense to me." While i do see your point and why you could interpreted the way you do, i think that a lot of people that interpreted in a more "romantic" way, myself included, are novel readers, and while the series did change some things and softened a lot of others regarding the dub-con scene and porsche's reaction to it, the core of it seems unchanged, therefore the "they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other" it's canon. Btw this episode was very open to a multitude of interpretations as Porche didn't really voice out his own feelings but rather showed us his internal struggles/trauma that like i said could be interpreted in different ways, and every single one of them is valid. Well, i guess we will see in the next episode what interpretations is going to be "right" or "wrong" as they are going to talk it out. Sorry for the rant or bad grammar
@@NightmareAfterMe oh I see that's how it played out in the novel, that makes sense. Yeah this episode was ambiguous and open to different interpretations. I think in the next episode we'll get a clear view on how Porsche is feeling exactly in this situation. Also ur English is perfectly fine, don't need to apologise. I quite enjoy rants and different interpretations. I'm just trying to understand what exactly the creators r trying to portray narration wise. Cuz I have to admit as much as I try not to, my moral values/ views on this topic heavily skew my interpretation. It could be entirely confirmation bias. Only the next episode can tell.
@UCtixPUftbWmRQDsjOMEBb_g Tbh I read the novel and there u can see that he was attracted to Kinn and confused. But, it was told from Porsche's point of view so my guess is that he himself didn't know that he's experiencing a traumatic event.
@@NightmareAfterMe " "they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other" it's canon. Btw this episode was very open to a multitude of interpretations as Porche didn't really voice out his own feelings" I would say thank god for that!! As KINNPORSCHE is aiming to be a BL of a higher calibre. So does there need to be explicit exposition for these feelings to be depicted and understood? Or could we trust a skilled and experienced director, director of photography, cinematographer, lighting director, editors and musical director deliberately choosing to depict parallel sex scenes with a flashback where both characters are displaying moments of passionate pleasure in interloping scenes, (to the point we can't tell whether it's Kinn or Porsche having the flashback). And then these film makers in choosing to use flashbacks depict the SAME scene with the SAME composition, SAME lighting design and SAME tone not to mention the SAME musical scoring. Isn't this effective enough in relaying the canon that is these men are feeling the SAME emotions of lust, longing and confliction?
@@salomepelin4033 555 Yes, please do so. I don't mind at all. Love this delulu energy so much 😄 You and Palin need to stay like this forever 👌 It's so entertaining to watch your reactions!
As titillating as the shower scenes are, him taking several showers in this episode likely has more to do with Porsches’s trauma. I suspect many S Assault victims will often try to ‘wash or scrub off’ the traumatizing incident.
I'm so anxious for the VegasPete arc judging from the audience reaction to Kinn. I love this show especially the story so much because I always have conflicting thoughts from the scenes and actors. all that waiting for Kim scenes are worth it, his visuals are.... then this voice. At this point I'm just gonna simp all the characters in this series.
I'm little worried about the audience reaction about VegasPete when the plot unfold. I have seen many people already hate Vegas bc of his behavior to Prosche.
Actually Porsche indirectly asked for permission to drink the water and at that time Kinn and his friends were having a conversation about Kinn being nice to Porsche and they told him to smile at him sometimes So Porsche knowing from his previous fuck up at the bar took it as a yes So it wasn't him being careless it was him feeling he was allowed to drink
I just come to your channel and immediately like your reaction video before even watching it because you guys react in such a relatable way that i am always like yeah i thought the same when i watched this ep. Your videos are all well put together and understood and your own vibe give so much life to these vids that it's really worth watching with you both again!!!! 😃 .... Really enjoy watching your channel 👍🏻😄
At 41:10 …So when I rewatched the last scene again and I noticed that when the bodyguard’s car was shot at, it skidded off the road and that’s why they lost them ‘Kim and Porsche ‘ at some point. And when they got into the accident, they ran away. That’s what I think at least.
understand the uncomfortable feeling and the pain of Porsche When he recalled the events of being drugged and having sex, the relationship was confusing. The scene cuts between the two. And both sides see each other's overlap during sex with each other. The more the background music helps to add to the scene, the more the mood at that time goes down. I really like this ep. I want it to be every Saturday every day. See you next ep. Thank you for your reaction.
In the book they are being followed by more people so that's why they had to hide in the woods, and at the end of this episode we can hear more shots when all of the people inside that container are dead
Great work guys. I think you’re providing a very valuable breakdown because although people tend to say rape is glossed over in BL we can see that’s not so because we have never seen anything like this and yet it is purposely glossed over by the production company so I can understand some of the fans confusion. Only thing I think they squandered the moment on the bike. Porsche should’ve been the one happy-drunk because of what he is going through but the mood set by the music and cinematography, once again, shouldn’t have been romance. We needed to feel dread and trepidation because we can see Porsche is once again in the clutches of a man who has already hurt him and is looking for another opportunity to do something else we don’t know if even worse. We should feel alarmed when those two are in the same frame, even if Porsche himself has fallen victim to Vegas’ cunning. It needed more tension there. That wouldn’t stop fans from seeing this as a ghost ship, but the production doesn’t need to work so hard to force it, that they communicate a mood that doesn’t reflect where the story is at this point I think 💕
Oh my gosh I love your reaction and commentary so much! I’ve been thinking about this show a lot and I appreciate your viewpoints, thanks for sharing. ❤️
Hey there!! Thank you so so much for watching our videos, that's awesome 😍 I'm super glad you like them 💛 I'm currently on a family vacation and will only be back on the 26th, which is why Pelin and I couldn't watch/react to KP ep6 yet 😭 We'll get to it as soon as I'm back!!🥰 ~ Salomé
Love your reactions and how firm your opinions stand. Like you mentioned, I hope the show is breaking Kinn down to build him up. I rewatched from episode 1, and I noticed more of Kinn’s prince/authority complex this time around. He’s trying to fill his dad’s shoes but he’s not there yet. Porsche needs to humble him a lot more. Kinn needs to be humbled for his own good as a man (who will soon fall in love) and to become the best version of himself as a mafia leader. For the Porchay/Kim ship I will take a hug between them. Anything more might give me an ick.
He is already acting this firm and harsh to become a better mafia leader. How would soft feelings like love or being humble work for a mafia leader? Those will only soften him and make him lose. His father didn’t warn him for no reason. So not a best version as a mafia leader but a better version for a human being.
My take is that you can like Vegas without liking what he does, people who misunderstands this just can’t separate fiction from reality even if they claim to know the difference. Just like some people who enjoy watching thriller or war movies, doesn’t mean they would like war or murder to happen irl or that they would personally feel the need to murder someone because it was shown in a thriller. You know what I mean? It’s all about appreciating a villain being portrayed really well that can bring us the drama between characters that we need for entertainment purposes only.
@@leslust I believe there are three types of people who likes Vegas. 1. They just like how the actor portrays the character really well and appreciate this character storywise. 2. They symphatize with this character or understand where he’s coming from and end up liking this character. 3. They straight up like him as people who always fall for bad boys or admire serial killers. So without determining who likes him why in what way, that’s a pretty general statement you make there.
@@eehyetti My comment was meant to be a general statement. I think people are allowed to like whatever character they want without having people on their neck or questioning their morals over fiction.
About age of consent issue : while reading the novel I was curious why Porsche is not concerned about KimChay relationship as Chay is 17 or Vegas about the fact that his University friend is chasing Macao(he just laughs it off as Macao constantly rejects that guy & likes Dr. Top who is way older). But I guess age of consent is different in Thailand or since it's a Mafia world nobody cares.
I think what happen in EP4 is essential and has led us to this point where we realize that the show WANTED to relay that message that what happen was NOT OKAY.. and we can really see that in Porsches reaction. Fictional stories are meant to carry out themes, a message that offers comment or insight about human experience. and they SUCCEDED in doing that. We are just quick to judge at the moment, that is why we need to just sit back and enjoy the series coz the following episode will likely to address all of our questions about the previous episode. ;)
okay so i went on your page to find what you have been reacting to and i thought of kinnporshe and i searched for the newest reaction and it was ep4 and id watched it but then suddenly episode 5 reaction was there saying uploaded a few seconds ago and damn im so glad!
It’s unclear in the series but a lot of events are weeks appart like the moment where Porsche is depressed in the books actually last quite some time, then he tries to get better but he feels conflicted because he feels acte acted to Kinn ( even before that night) but since he always thought he was straight he struggles to accept his attraction for a man. Like the moment they go to the club with his friends happens weeks after in the book and I think it’s hinted at some point too in the series that some time has passed in between
In the novel Porchay is in last year of High School & will soon go to University. Kim is in University (probably second or third year). In the novel (published version) it's mentioned that Kim & Chay knew each other before KinnPorsche met. There are no intimate scenes b/w them as the novel is from Kinn/Porsche pov but it is implied that they are intimate as in one chapter Porsche asks Chay how many times they have done it. Daemi will write a KimPorchay novel in the future.
I think Kinn also did it to protect his own integrity, authority and pride. If he didn't, like the father warned him, his other subordinates wouldn't have taken him as seriously anymore (or respect him as much) and might even accuse him of preferential treatment. So in that sense, I do agree that maybe a bit of it was in consideration to Porsche but it seems to me like he did it mainly to protect himself ~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 I also think its not just about other subordinates, like Pete said it's the talk of the town. The more special he treats Porsche the more Porsche is in danger and it screws up the small part of the dads plan that we know of. Vegas could have easily killed Porsche if he wanted and could get away with it, so other people/families who we can see have already begun targeting Kinn will go after Porsche, which doesn't just put him but their entire family in danger and makes them look weak.
@@salomepelin4033 Porsche was punished because it needed to be done. He was careless. He has been consistently careless. This would understandably be the perspective of a Mafia boss who runs a bodyguard outfit such as the world we've been introduced to since Ep. 2. Porsche is already seen as Kinn's weakness hence why Vegas is targeting him to rile Kinn and why Vegas' father told him to keep an eye on Porsche. Any other guard would also have been punished as confirmed by what Pete said. As Kinn confessed to Porche in Ep 3 he doesn't have a choice, this is his life. Hell the dude can't even SAY the word "play".... he was reminded he's at war!
Has anyone noticed that Porschay is slightly taller than Kim but he sat on a shorter chair to make Kim look taller to fit the bl cliché same thing with Porsche and Vegas when he came to pick him up. Idk y I noticed these things but I do 😅😅 At least Kinnporsche are at the same height. I was laughing so much at Salome 3 am thoughts. If I haven't told this before let me say that this is the most related reaction channel n quite funny too. And I love your accents, so cool.
Haa you saw that too! I actually wish they’d show more dominant men as shorter/smaller and more femmes or softer men as taller like real life like YueLou and Yuzhi. Some say Cai and Gav. The Chinese seem to do this extremely well - Prince Jing and Mei ChangSu and the men from WoH have this same flirty, larger more confident uke. Ae and Pete too. That really turns heteronormativity on it’s head and we need more of that but it’s a very sophisticated take on that BL trope so only really accomplished writers seem to take it on. Kinn and Porsche are masc4masc 😅.
😕 I don’t think Porsche was drunk when he was with Vegas, he just felt good about riding a motorcycle. He was cheerful and happy. And he needed something to distract him from that evening. For that🥳 thank you Vegas. And in the end with Kinn, Porsche didn't look drunk there either, but he was sad and hurt.😭
I have been saying this when people say “it’s a mafia movie so there’s going to be r”pe and abuse so if you don’t like it than don’t watch it”no one is saying there shouldn’t be abuse or r”pe shown in the series,I”m saying don’t watch a r”pe scene and call it “hot” don’t romanticize r”pe how is that hard to understand
I saw many people drooling over the moment of vegas and porsche and I find it irritating. For me, i can’t really enjoy that whole scene apart from porsche smiling. Vegas is such a manipulative one. He drugged porsche and that’s why all these problems happended to porsche. He knows what he’s doing and the timing so well. In this episode, he knew porsche was stressed out and acted like such a nice sweet friend. I feel like ewwww and I really don’t like Vegas
OH WOW I stumbled upon your video again HAHA I haven't watched it yet But I'll definitely be watching 😆 But first I would like to introduce you a little I think you shouldn't put Thai names in your video names Because it's actually the novel names In the actual series only English names are used It makes me who is Thai see it and feel strange But it's okay I just want to recommend 😁
Oh btw I forgot to include this information in my comment, when kinn's men came to rescue them, kinn and porsche didn't know it was them, so they probablY thought there were another bad guys outside so they both decided to escape from truck together, i hope this information can make things clear for you
@@herseykcameron7013 yeah i know they heard the gun shots but i think they couldn’t understand who they were because they immediately started fighting with other guys thats why i thought like that but it can be like you said too☺️
Honestly I think everyone just likes the look of vegas but not him as a person. The way vegas is going about trying to get Porsche to like him for whatever reason is so smart because we know he was the one who got him drugged and all that but Porsche doesn’t know. So Porsche already has Kinn who is an ass to him and vegas is the only one kind to him (besides Pete) so obviously who would Porsche go for friend or otherwise not kinn that’s for sure. I feel so bad for Porsche because he’s still trying to think things through and then he got kidnapped and now he’s missing. Such a mess. On the other side I’m living for Kim he’s already seeming to like Porchay a bit. Since Porchay is so pure and cute I can see why he would. I’m still worried he’s going to use him too much but hopefully he’ll stop after a while. Jeff is so gorgeous I can’t when he shows up. The way I lived for Perth in this when he said that line I was so shook he said it 😂😂😂. Tong’s character is so funny I love for when he’s on screen. His interaction with Kim was funny. It’s interesting how Pete said the most normal one is Kinn because Kim seems to be pretty normal too. Maybe it’s just the fact that Kim isn’t there and he’s trying to find soemthing out idk. Also the last thing and sometning I’m worried about is in the last scene, just before it the dad said to bring the best men and the best men are the ones that were there and Pete. But Pete wasn’t there. So is he stalking vegas or is he kidnapped by vegas. I don’t know but I’m worried now. I’m very much worried for him because Pete is my favourite character because he’s so pure for the job he has. I know he’s going to get hurt so much and I’m not ready for it
In previous ep, i said that we have to look forward to Porsche's reaction and now im so angry with Kinn because he didn't do good enough for what he have done with Porsche. He just keep talking about the punishment but not directly about what he did. That makes my baby(porsche) feel more hurt and worthless. (Hoping that he is gonna talk about it frankly in next ep) [a director said that someone important will die, i really hope it should be ep5-Porsche because i cant stand looking my baby be that hurt]
Great reaction. I just wanted to say I really enjoy watching your videos. You're doing an amazing job! Hope you're doing well. English is not my first language, but I will try to write my thoughts. I just love discussing things! About the sex scene. It is interesting to hear your point of view. I, on the other hand, never saw this scene as romanticizing rape. Remember that the film is designed to reflect feelings through image and sound. Let's take a closer look at this scene. Porsche, under the influence of drugs, was excited, flirty, he provoked Kinn. Kinn eventually also becomes excited. It's leading them to have sex. I think this scene doing very well with reflects their feelings AT THAT EXACT MOMENT. And that's it. They show the feelings of the main characters. Both of them are excited. Porsche by drugs and Kinn 'cause he is attracted to Porsche. Their actions were not the result of rational judgment, and they weren't meant to be. What we see on the screen is the display of their feelings in that particular moment. Porsche may not have felt used at the time. Drugs made him feel desire, so we saw that at our screens. Consequences are not important, as well as what's right and what's wrong. That's why I love what was done in episode 5. The drugs stopped working, the excitement subsided, common sense returned, and it was not so colorful anymore. Porsche wakes up in the morning, and you can see that he is not ok with what happened. He could feel used or even blame himself for how he felt under the influence of drugs. Moving on. Vegas. He is such a great villain! Through Porsche perspective, he is just a nice guy. He lent him a lighter, let him ride on his motorcycle. He's really charming and caring. But it's just a mask. On the inside, he's got his evil plans. On the other hand, Kinn acts like a terrible asshole, but on the inside he cares a lot. He just can't show it due to his position in the mafia and wanting to please his father. Also, he might have no idea what to do or say. It's not in his character. I am very curious about people's reactions to VegasPete arc. I saw people comments who were indignant to see drunk kiss and that sex scene. When it will come to torturing Pete and his subsequent self-mutilation out of longing for Vegas... People are going to die of rage.
I had the same thought as u the music that night is a reflection of their emotions. What helped affirm this thought was the VegasPorsche scene. We as viewers know Vegas is a bad guy but Porsche doesn't. Porsche was feeling happy during the bike ride hence the soft music.
Exactly! Vegas is a bad guy but Porsche doesn't know it. He likes Vegas because he's nice to him. When they are riding the bike, we have calm, soothing music. Porsche runs away from problems, and we, as viewers, feel it through the music. The same thing goes with the sex scene. We know it's wrong what was happening but Porsche and Kinn didn't feel it at that moment. They felt desire so we got romantic music.
Truly saying as much as I liked bible’s acting, the way he demonstrates his expressions… I must say I didn’t enjoy his “moment” with Porsche so much?? I mean it’s not even 1 episode before, that he literally drugged him with a substance that could have actually killed him??? And tried to DO IT with him?? Yeah I did not liked it. Porsche maybe oblivious to it but as a watcher I cannot look past it.
Somehow It was really important to me that the show or porsche, whatever, acknowledged that what kinn did to porsche was awful. Now i feel like i can enjoy/appreciate the s*x scene because we're on the same page with the creators. As long as it's fiction i can enjoy dark themes but we have to acknowledge at some point that we're eating dead dove lol
this is might off topic but I really don't understand why people so in love when they speak English, I mean I'm not confused because I'm Thai but... I don't see different when they speak Thai or English for me they always 'hot' ... not sarcastic but really want to know the reason 😅
I can only speak for myself but I enjoy it so much when they speak English because I can actually understand what they are saying, and that makes me happy 😁 so when they speak in Thai I also have to focus on the subtitles and that takes my attention away from how they speak I guess? Thai language is really beautiful and I love hearing them speak Thai but I'm used to hearing Thai now so I am taken off-guard when I suddenly hear English 😁 I'm like... wait?! I can understand this?! Nice! 🤣 So... maybe it's "hot" because I actually can hear and understand the words they speak. When they speak in Thai I rely on what I read and not what I hear (most of the time). I hope that makes sense! But please don't get me wrong, speaking in English is in no way "hotter" than speaking in Thai. I love both! 💛 ~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 I see~ thank you for ur answer ka and really sorry if this question make you feel uncomfortable (but pls believe me, I just want to know 🥺) anyway, I love how both of you very serious about the sensitive topic (from ep. 4) honestly, at first I thought that it's both Porsche and Kinn fault about having sex that time but still understand them. Thank you for making video naka~ ✌️
I find this jarring also and I am a native English speaker. I think some of the new production studios are very conscious of western audiences and so that is one of the ways that they want to show that they are aware they have a big international audience But every time I see it it’s not used sensibly and I feel they need to know that western fans and English speakers can identify with Thai characters without random English words and phrases or even French which was also done in Enchante. I don’t like it because it’s never feeling authentically Thai, and Kim’s line delivery in English was not as good at the ones he said in Thai which means they should have reshot it a few times till it sounds natural or just let the actors use the same amount/kind of English or European words and phrases that they normally would if they were talking to Thai people. I think anymore than that it just is irksome at least to me. But I think they will reduce this when they have more confidence in the market. The Cutie Pie people do it too and I can’t tell which is worse. It’s the new commercial producers that do this rather than the more established BL studios. They understand the international fandom better than the new comers because they’re the ones that built the international fandoms for Thai BL
@@maemaree33 I see, maybe because of people around me are biligual so... I don't get why people scream when they speak English 🤣 but now I understand ka
Honestly, I'm not actually seeing the drama i see it with you all because I'm in my CUTIEPIE zone where everything is not toxic so seeing this one with those drugged sex and few more i mean i can't actually romanticize it no matter what but also the men in this DRAMA are so scrumptious i just have to know how they look or what they doing
Sis that mean u dont understand whos vegas is. his character is insane hes aint happy person but a victim of abuser father and now he grow up knowing nothing but to do bad thing like poisone porsche to make kinn mad *if i explain everything is take long time to do so* just read the full novel and try to understand vegas life and his worst back story. i can say that he also had mental ilness cuz of lot the physical and mental abuse by his father and mother commit suicide and he never get loved since he was young. He craving for love but he dont know how to do it properly like a normal people he take wrong action to get what he want. It is what he did to porsche and pete in future is not forgivent but vegas itself living like hell and the real phsyco here is his father and all the business fight kinn father that ruin his life. Idk if u understand all of this half of the kp fandom ignore very important point of this but what can i say they only focusing on the main lead since its their series, and also ignore that all character in the series arent an angel they are all mafia have killed tortured lot of people lol but well yall only focusing on vegas walk red flag you've said but ignore his very sad back story and why he bacame like that and make more victim. even him being gay his father beat him to death. Thats all i can say people especially kp stan wouldnt care btw since they already pointed to hate on vegas way to hard when the fact that vegas will have the best character development in future and change himself for a better person because all he need in his life is someone to love him and value his life since his father cannot do it. He even take care of macau his only brother. Ah im tired thats all take it as a fy or ignore it just like how the rest did yall seems like similiar to vegas father
First of all, please put a spoiler warning at the beginning of your comment. Second, what you're talking about is all in the novel. We judge Vegas based on what we see in the show. If we don't understand him like you wrote, based on the reasons you wrote, it's because his "tragic past" has not neen shown yet. We didn't see his father being abusive towards him yet. We didn't learn about his mother in the show. We didn't see him take care of Macau yet. In fact, all we know about their relationship is how Vegas told Porsche Macau deserved what Porsche did to him. "Yall only focusing on vegas red flag" ... if you watched our reaction you should know that we call any kind of behavior that we don't agree with out, not just Vegas' We will understand Vegas more when the show actually shows us. Until then, we judge him based off what we see. The novel and the show are separate from each other. If you're only here to tell us we don't understand a character because we didn't read the novel then please leave us alone. ~ Salomé
"How about the whole show just them" as a Kimchay lover, I support that. xD But Jeff and Barcode will have a series together this year, so I'm looking forward to it.
Btw Chay is 18 and Kim is around 20, so it'd be okay is the characters had sexual scenes, but well, that's not the route they went with and that's totally adorable, because I'm a fan of cute and emotional ships. And those two are the cutest.
I left this comment on another reaction but it's more about why Kinn acts so inconsistent when you compare him over the episodes.
Kinn and Porsche are wearing a mask, but Kinn especially, he's a prince raised in a world of moral debauchery, lost his mother, and has bothers who are incapable/don't want to take helm and at least we know from episode 3 that he doesn't actually like this world he lives in but doesn't have a choice as they are at war, he's morally corrupt, has massive trust issues and has been heart broken, from the convo with his dad it has terrible consequences to his family.
From the get we see that he's emotionally constipated and has no idea what to do/say especially when he's feeling guilt and regret (these emotions are useless and deadly for his world), he's also has to listen to his dad who reprimands him for his "failure" showing maybe a glimpse to his childhood also with I am more like my mom.
So domination and cruelty are how he functions when he has no idea what to do or feel, I mean he had to take advice from Pete on how to talk like a normal person because he's never had to, like a little prince everyone defers to him, he makes every room his throne even his friends put him at the centre and defer to his authority. Porsche is the only one who doesn't do that, from the get go his ask "are you a god" and carried on with his language and behaviour to treat him like an equal and sometimes even beneath him.
You are so right! There's not much background story to Kinn's past, yet people as so quick to judge his character based on his actions now. These past 5 episodes, we mainly see more of Porsche's storyline and practically nothing of Kinn's, aside from the fact that he is now a Mafia boss. Did Pete not say that 'Kinn doesn't used to be this harsh and cruel'? Did Kinn not say 'if you were me (and everyone wants me dead), you would be suspicious of every one'? Isn't it known that Kinn was once in love, betrayed and something bad happened and somehow Vegas was involved as he knows exactly what went down? I will not 'spoil' this further but I find it amusing that the bike-ride scene is misconstrued when we know what a psychopath Vegas is (unless they decide to amend his character in the series). There is a reason why the series is KinnPorsche and not PorscheKinn. Let more episodes unfold and we might see that ultimately, it's the 'taming' of Kinn.
What a beautiful character analysis! 👏🏻 I agree a hundred percent! I love Kinn and he will act more human in the woods, their relationship will develop a lot but still he has a long way to go to be tamed :)
I’m appreciate your comment so far! I really love Kinn’s character. ❤️
I feel so much for Kinn too. The amount of subtext.
The parallel scene between Porsche,the girl at the bar and kinn and his boytoy. I interpreted it as Porsche getting trauma response and kinn feeling guilty for what he had done. Thats y every time kinn got reminded of porsche he tried to push it back down and hence became rougher. But he stopped when he looked at himself in the mirror, Ig that's him reflecting thru his actions. This was my interpretation of the scene but when I went online, no one seemed to have similar thoughts everyone said they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other? It just didn't make sense to me.
Also the scene where kinn says " ur life is mine" and porsche says " then go ahead do what u want" everyone put a Romantic spin to it and said Porsche wanted to kinn to kiss him cuz he wanted to know he was special to kinn. I saw it as Porsche baiting kinn, he wanted kinn to kiss him so he can affirm that indeed kinn was a sexual predator. He wanted that evidence to antagonise kinn in his mind cuz unfortunately Porsche feels it is his fault to a certain extent.
I'd say one scene that shows Porsche sees kinn romantically could be the sauna scene. Cuz just a light promt from kinn made Porsche open up about his mum and also when kinn got up to pour water, Porsche asks "r u leaving" while looking disappointed. But I agree this isn't a strong enuf evidence to show Porsche is interested in kinn romantically.
Also I'm convinced at this point that Porsche is an alcoholic lol. This man can't go on for one episode without getting drunk.
Also the girl on the right (sorry idk ur name) clothes r so pretty. Sorry for the long post lol I'm blabbering
I agree that Porsche stopped cause he was traumatized + confused.
I apologize for the intrusion, i just want to point something out. I'm one of those people that had a completely opposite interpretation/reaction than yours, however i'm not here to argue or make you change your mind, in fact i respect all opinions and i quite enjoy seeing different pov. Back to the reason i decided to comment; "...when I went online, no one seemed to have similar thoughts everyone said they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other? It just didn't make sense to me." While i do see your point and why you could interpreted the way you do, i think that a lot of people that interpreted in a more "romantic" way, myself included, are novel readers, and while the series did change some things and softened a lot of others regarding the dub-con scene and porsche's reaction to it, the core of it seems unchanged, therefore the "they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other" it's canon. Btw this episode was very open to a multitude of interpretations as Porche didn't really voice out his own feelings but rather showed us his internal struggles/trauma that like i said could be interpreted in different ways, and every single one of them is valid. Well, i guess we will see in the next episode what interpretations is going to be "right" or "wrong" as they are going to talk it out. Sorry for the rant or bad grammar
@@NightmareAfterMe oh I see that's how it played out in the novel, that makes sense. Yeah this episode was ambiguous and open to different interpretations. I think in the next episode we'll get a clear view on how Porsche is feeling exactly in this situation. Also ur English is perfectly fine, don't need to apologise. I quite enjoy rants and different interpretations.
I'm just trying to understand what exactly the creators r trying to portray narration wise. Cuz I have to admit as much as I try not to, my moral values/ views on this topic heavily skew my interpretation. It could be entirely confirmation bias. Only the next episode can tell.
@UCtixPUftbWmRQDsjOMEBb_g Tbh I read the novel and there u can see that he was attracted to Kinn and confused. But, it was told from Porsche's point of view so my guess is that he himself didn't know that he's experiencing a traumatic event.
@@NightmareAfterMe " "they couldn't get it on with someone else cuz they were yearning for each other" it's canon. Btw this episode was very open to a multitude of interpretations as Porche didn't really voice out his own feelings" I would say thank god for that!! As KINNPORSCHE is aiming to be a BL of a higher calibre. So does there need to be explicit exposition for these feelings to be depicted and understood? Or could we trust a skilled and experienced director, director of photography, cinematographer, lighting director, editors and musical director deliberately choosing to depict parallel sex scenes with a flashback where both characters are displaying moments of passionate pleasure in interloping scenes, (to the point we can't tell whether it's Kinn or Porsche having the flashback). And then these film makers in choosing to use flashbacks depict the SAME scene with the SAME composition, SAME lighting design and SAME tone not to mention the SAME musical scoring. Isn't this effective enough in relaying the canon that is these men are feeling the SAME emotions of lust, longing and confliction?
You two are natural comedians! 🤣👍👍 I bursted out laughing when you started discussing Porchay's supposed graduation and Barcode's age 🤣😂
Yeah we're a bit delusional but we need to be in order to enjoy watching 🤣🤣🤣
~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 555 Yes, please do so. I don't mind at all. Love this delulu energy so much 😄 You and Palin need to stay like this forever 👌 It's so entertaining to watch your reactions!
As titillating as the shower scenes are, him taking several showers in this episode likely has more to do with Porsches’s trauma. I suspect many S Assault victims will often try to ‘wash or scrub off’ the traumatizing incident.
I'm so anxious for the VegasPete arc judging from the audience reaction to Kinn. I love this show especially the story so much because I always have conflicting thoughts from the scenes and actors.
all that waiting for Kim scenes are worth it, his visuals are.... then this voice. At this point I'm just gonna simp all the characters in this series.
same I'm scared too for VegasPete arc later .... idk how much they tone it down or how they change it ....
@@waeeeezeeeee I thought even if they tone in down like what happened in KinnPorsche drug scene they would still have violent reactions 😟😟
I'm little worried about the audience reaction about VegasPete when the plot unfold. I have seen many people already hate Vegas bc of his behavior to Prosche.
The fact that even the series was trying to teach us that what happened was not good,and some people are still romanticizing it,is just 🤢
Actually Porsche indirectly asked for permission to drink the water and at that time Kinn and his friends were having a conversation about Kinn being nice to Porsche and they told him to smile at him sometimes
So Porsche knowing from his previous fuck up at the bar took it as a yes
So it wasn't him being careless it was him feeling he was allowed to drink
OMG why I realising this know..
Vegas is a perfect antagonist. He is so cunning and ruthless.
Yes, I'm sure he'll make this plot even more intriguing!! I'm excited to see how this will all play out
~ Salomé
I just come to your channel and immediately like your reaction video before even watching it because you guys react in such a relatable way that i am always like yeah i thought the same when i watched this ep. Your videos are all well put together and understood and your own vibe give so much life to these vids that it's really worth watching with you both again!!!! 😃 .... Really enjoy watching your channel 👍🏻😄
This makes me so happy!!! Thank you so much 🥺💛
It's really so nice to read this, I'm super glad you have fun watching with us~
~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 been waiting on your reaction to ep 6 please guys
Been waiting on your reaction to ep 6 guys please
You know Novel Chay is more sassy than cute. Kinn even says that Porsche & Chay are so similar.
At 41:10 …So when I rewatched the last scene again and I noticed that when the bodyguard’s car was shot at, it skidded off the road and that’s why they lost them ‘Kim and Porsche ‘ at some point. And when they got into the accident, they ran away. That’s what I think at least.
understand the uncomfortable feeling and the pain of Porsche When he recalled the events of being drugged and having sex, the relationship was confusing. The scene cuts between the two. And both sides see each other's overlap during sex with each other. The more the background music helps to add to the scene, the more the mood at that time goes down. I really like this ep. I want it to be every Saturday every day. See you next ep. Thank you for your reaction.
21:42 i like that energy LUL
😏😏
~ Salomé
In the book they are being followed by more people so that's why they had to hide in the woods, and at the end of this episode we can hear more shots when all of the people inside that container are dead
Great work guys. I think you’re providing a very valuable breakdown because although people tend to say rape is glossed over in BL we can see that’s not so because we have never seen anything like this and yet it is purposely glossed over by the production company so I can understand some of the fans confusion.
Only thing I think they squandered the moment on the bike. Porsche should’ve been the one happy-drunk because of what he is going through but the mood set by the music and cinematography, once again, shouldn’t have been romance.
We needed to feel dread and trepidation because we can see Porsche is once again in the clutches of a man who has already hurt him and is looking for another opportunity to do something else we don’t know if even worse. We should feel alarmed when those two are in the same frame, even if Porsche himself has fallen victim to Vegas’ cunning. It needed more tension there. That wouldn’t stop fans from seeing this as a ghost ship, but the production doesn’t need to work so hard to force it, that they communicate a mood that doesn’t reflect where the story is at this point I think 💕
39:52 dad was the one who chose the Porsche and who said Kinn to punish him
Oh my gosh I love your reaction and commentary so much! I’ve been thinking about this show a lot and I appreciate your viewpoints, thanks for sharing. ❤️
Girls I've been binging your reaction all night and I really want to know your opinion about eps 6. 😆
Hey there!! Thank you so so much for watching our videos, that's awesome 😍 I'm super glad you like them 💛
I'm currently on a family vacation and will only be back on the 26th, which is why Pelin and I couldn't watch/react to KP ep6 yet 😭 We'll get to it as soon as I'm back!!🥰
~ Salomé
Love your reactions and how firm your opinions stand.
Like you mentioned, I hope the show is breaking Kinn down to build him up. I rewatched from episode 1, and I noticed more of Kinn’s prince/authority complex this time around. He’s trying to fill his dad’s shoes but he’s not there yet. Porsche needs to humble him a lot more. Kinn needs to be humbled for his own good as a man (who will soon fall in love) and to become the best version of himself as a mafia leader.
For the Porchay/Kim ship I will take a hug between them. Anything more might give me an ick.
He is already acting this firm and harsh to become a better mafia leader. How would soft feelings like love or being humble work for a mafia leader? Those will only soften him and make him lose. His father didn’t warn him for no reason. So not a best version as a mafia leader but a better version for a human being.
That "cut beeeeeeeeeep" is so hilarious 😂 😃 😄
I'm so glad you enjoy it 🤣🤣
We had fun doing it ahahahha
~ Salomé
Enjoyed it sooooooo much
Awesome🥺😁👍
~ Salomé
My take is that you can like Vegas without liking what he does, people who misunderstands this just can’t separate fiction from reality even if they claim to know the difference. Just like some people who enjoy watching thriller or war movies, doesn’t mean they would like war or murder to happen irl or that they would personally feel the need to murder someone because it was shown in a thriller. You know what I mean? It’s all about appreciating a villain being portrayed really well that can bring us the drama between characters that we need for entertainment purposes only.
you just said FACTS
Are you talking about people who criticize others for liking Vegas?
@@eehyetti my comment was a reply to the reactors saying that they can’t say they like Vegas without people misunderstanding them.
@@leslust I believe there are three types of people who likes Vegas. 1. They just like how the actor portrays the character really well and appreciate this character storywise. 2. They symphatize with this character or understand where he’s coming from and end up liking this character. 3. They straight up like him as people who always fall for bad boys or admire serial killers. So without determining who likes him why in what way, that’s a pretty general statement you make there.
@@eehyetti My comment was meant to be a general statement. I think people are allowed to like whatever character they want without having people on their neck or questioning their morals over fiction.
About age of consent issue : while reading the novel I was curious why Porsche is not concerned about KimChay relationship as Chay is 17 or Vegas about the fact that his University friend is chasing Macao(he just laughs it off as Macao constantly rejects that guy & likes Dr. Top who is way older).
But I guess age of consent is different in Thailand or since it's a Mafia world nobody cares.
I think what happen in EP4 is essential and has led us to this point where we realize that the show WANTED to relay that message that what happen was NOT OKAY.. and we can really see that in Porsches reaction. Fictional stories are meant to carry out themes, a message that offers comment or insight about human experience. and they SUCCEDED in doing that. We are just quick to judge at the moment, that is why we need to just sit back and enjoy the series coz the following episode will likely to address all of our questions about the previous episode. ;)
Hi girls! You both look so gorgeous today I must say
okay so i went on your page to find what you have been reacting to and i thought of kinnporshe and i searched for the newest reaction and it was ep4 and id watched it but then suddenly episode 5 reaction was there saying uploaded a few seconds ago and damn im so glad!
Haha awesome!!! Perfect timing
Hope you enjoy ;))
~ Salomé
It’s unclear in the series but a lot of events are weeks appart like the moment where Porsche is depressed in the books actually last quite some time, then he tries to get better but he feels conflicted because he feels acte acted to Kinn ( even before that night) but since he always thought he was straight he struggles to accept his attraction for a man. Like the moment they go to the club with his friends happens weeks after in the book and I think it’s hinted at some point too in the series that some time has passed in between
wait for ep 6
You two are very beautiful today 🥰
That's so sweet, thank you so much 🥺🥰
~ Salomé
Love love
Another great video! I love that we think the same things :)
In the novel Porchay is in last year of High School & will soon go to University. Kim is in University (probably second or third year).
In the novel (published version) it's mentioned that Kim & Chay knew each other before KinnPorsche met.
There are no intimate scenes b/w them as the novel is from Kinn/Porsche pov but it is implied that they are intimate as in one chapter Porsche asks Chay how many times they have done it.
Daemi will write a KimPorchay novel in the future.
Kinn punished porche cuz he wanted to protect him. If he didn't, his dad would've done something and porche would've been targeted
I think Kinn also did it to protect his own integrity, authority and pride. If he didn't, like the father warned him, his other subordinates wouldn't have taken him as seriously anymore (or respect him as much) and might even accuse him of preferential treatment. So in that sense, I do agree that maybe a bit of it was in consideration to Porsche but it seems to me like he did it mainly to protect himself
~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 I also think its not just about other subordinates, like Pete said it's the talk of the town. The more special he treats Porsche the more Porsche is in danger and it screws up the small part of the dads plan that we know of.
Vegas could have easily killed Porsche if he wanted and could get away with it, so other people/families who we can see have already begun targeting Kinn will go after Porsche, which doesn't just put him but their entire family in danger and makes them look weak.
@@salomepelin4033 Porsche was punished because it needed to be done. He was careless. He has been consistently careless. This would understandably be the perspective of a Mafia boss who runs a bodyguard outfit such as the world we've been introduced to since Ep. 2. Porsche is already seen as Kinn's weakness hence why Vegas is targeting him to rile Kinn and why Vegas' father told him to keep an eye on Porsche. Any other guard would also have been punished as confirmed by what Pete said. As Kinn confessed to Porche in Ep 3 he doesn't have a choice, this is his life. Hell the dude can't even SAY the word "play".... he was reminded he's at war!
3:04 i laughed with them.. my reaction was same as their😀
Has anyone noticed that Porschay is slightly taller than Kim but he sat on a shorter chair to make Kim look taller to fit the bl cliché same thing with Porsche and Vegas when he came to pick him up. Idk y I noticed these things but I do 😅😅
At least Kinnporsche are at the same height. I was laughing so much at Salome 3 am thoughts. If I haven't told this before let me say that this is the most related reaction channel n quite funny too. And I love your accents, so cool.
Haa you saw that too! I actually wish they’d show more dominant men as shorter/smaller and more femmes or softer men as taller like real life like YueLou and Yuzhi. Some say Cai and Gav.
The Chinese seem to do this extremely well - Prince Jing and Mei ChangSu and the men from WoH have this same flirty, larger more confident uke. Ae and Pete too.
That really turns heteronormativity on it’s head and we need more of that but it’s a very sophisticated take on that BL trope so only really accomplished writers seem to take it on.
Kinn and Porsche are masc4masc 😅.
@@wildblueyonder5702 I hate when heteronormative things are applied on bls.
Amo a Vegas porque es un chico malo 😭
PD: Porchay es demasiado hermoso ❤️
¡¡Totalmente de acuerdo!!
~ Salomé
i agree with everything u said
😕 I don’t think Porsche was drunk when he was with Vegas, he just felt good about riding a motorcycle. He was cheerful and happy. And he needed something to distract him from that evening. For that🥳 thank you Vegas.
And in the end with Kinn, Porsche didn't look drunk there either, but he was sad and hurt.😭
If he wasn't drunk, that really would be awesome!! I wish for that
~ Salomé
He was drunk. They typically will put red makeup on their cheeks, and Porsche really has some rosy cheeks in the shot of him getting of the bike
@@bryan_ockert He wasn't. You were right that his face was a little bit red, but after the ride, not before.
I have been saying this when people say “it’s a mafia movie so there’s going to be r”pe and abuse so if you don’t like it than don’t watch it”no one is saying there shouldn’t be abuse or r”pe shown in the series,I”m saying don’t watch a r”pe scene and call it “hot” don’t romanticize r”pe how is that hard to understand
I saw many people drooling over the moment of vegas and porsche and I find it irritating. For me, i can’t really enjoy that whole scene apart from porsche smiling. Vegas is such a manipulative one. He drugged porsche and that’s why all these problems happended to porsche. He knows what he’s doing and the timing so well. In this episode, he knew porsche was stressed out and acted like such a nice sweet friend. I feel like ewwww and I really don’t like Vegas
People are going to have different opinions on every thing, and I'm totally agreeing with you guys ☺☺☺☺☺☺🤝🤝
I'm glad
you should definitely watch the behind the scenes especially the bts of action scenes :))
Yes, we'll definitely do that!! We watched 1-4, but have yet to watch 5 :)) (will do so soon ;))
~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033
OH WOW I stumbled upon your video again HAHA I haven't watched it yet But I'll definitely be watching 😆 But first I would like to introduce you a little I think you shouldn't put Thai names in your video names Because it's actually the novel names In the actual series only English names are used It makes me who is Thai see it and feel strange But it's okay I just want to recommend 😁
Sorry for my English
I feel Vegas-Porsche
Oh btw I forgot to include this information in my comment, when kinn's men came to rescue them, kinn and porsche didn't know it was them, so they probablY thought there were another bad guys outside so they both decided to escape from truck together, i hope this information can make things clear for you
No they heard the gun shot and open door in which kinn gave sign to his bodyguard
@@herseykcameron7013 yeah i know they heard the gun shots but i think they couldn’t understand who they were because they immediately started fighting with other guys thats why i thought like that but it can be like you said too☺️
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Porsche is actually 23 in the series. They said it in the first episode
Ohh alright, thank you!
~ Salomé
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Honestly I think everyone just likes the look of vegas but not him as a person. The way vegas is going about trying to get Porsche to like him for whatever reason is so smart because we know he was the one who got him drugged and all that but Porsche doesn’t know. So Porsche already has Kinn who is an ass to him and vegas is the only one kind to him (besides Pete) so obviously who would Porsche go for friend or otherwise not kinn that’s for sure. I feel so bad for Porsche because he’s still trying to think things through and then he got kidnapped and now he’s missing. Such a mess.
On the other side I’m living for Kim he’s already seeming to like Porchay a bit. Since Porchay is so pure and cute I can see why he would. I’m still worried he’s going to use him too much but hopefully he’ll stop after a while. Jeff is so gorgeous I can’t when he shows up.
The way I lived for Perth in this when he said that line I was so shook he said it 😂😂😂.
Tong’s character is so funny I love for when he’s on screen. His interaction with Kim was funny. It’s interesting how Pete said the most normal one is Kinn because Kim seems to be pretty normal too. Maybe it’s just the fact that Kim isn’t there and he’s trying to find soemthing out idk.
Also the last thing and sometning I’m worried about is in the last scene, just before it the dad said to bring the best men and the best men are the ones that were there and Pete. But Pete wasn’t there. So is he stalking vegas or is he kidnapped by vegas. I don’t know but I’m worried now. I’m very much worried for him because Pete is my favourite character because he’s so pure for the job he has. I know he’s going to get hurt so much and I’m not ready for it
I feel Porsche (and Kinn) pain and sadness 😔
Yes, poor Porsche suffered too much already 😭
~ Salomé
In previous ep, i said that we have to look forward to Porsche's reaction and now im so angry with Kinn because he didn't do good enough for what he have done with Porsche. He just keep talking about the punishment but not directly about what he did. That makes my baby(porsche) feel more hurt and worthless. (Hoping that he is gonna talk about it frankly in next ep)
[a director said that someone important will die, i really hope it should be ep5-Porsche because i cant stand looking my baby be that hurt]
Great reaction. I just wanted to say I really enjoy watching your videos. You're doing an amazing job! Hope you're doing well.
English is not my first language, but I will try to write my thoughts. I just love discussing things!
About the sex scene. It is interesting to hear your point of view. I, on the other hand, never saw this scene as romanticizing rape. Remember that the film is designed to reflect feelings through image and sound. Let's take a closer look at this scene. Porsche, under the influence of drugs, was excited, flirty, he provoked Kinn. Kinn eventually also becomes excited. It's leading them to have sex. I think this scene doing very well with reflects their feelings AT THAT EXACT MOMENT. And that's it. They show the feelings of the main characters. Both of them are excited. Porsche by drugs and Kinn 'cause he is attracted to Porsche. Their actions were not the result of rational judgment, and they weren't meant to be. What we see on the screen is the display of their feelings in that particular moment. Porsche may not have felt used at the time. Drugs made him feel desire, so we saw that at our screens. Consequences are not important, as well as what's right and what's wrong. That's why I love what was done in episode 5. The drugs stopped working, the excitement subsided, common sense returned, and it was not so colorful anymore. Porsche wakes up in the morning, and you can see that he is not ok with what happened. He could feel used or even blame himself for how he felt under the influence of drugs.
Moving on. Vegas. He is such a great villain! Through Porsche perspective, he is just a nice guy. He lent him a lighter, let him ride on his motorcycle. He's really charming and caring. But it's just a mask. On the inside, he's got his evil plans. On the other hand, Kinn acts like a terrible asshole, but on the inside he cares a lot. He just can't show it due to his position in the mafia and wanting to please his father. Also, he might have no idea what to do or say. It's not in his character.
I am very curious about people's reactions to VegasPete arc. I saw people comments who were indignant to see drunk kiss and that sex scene. When it will come to torturing Pete and his subsequent self-mutilation out of longing for Vegas... People are going to die of rage.
I had the same thought as u the music that night is a reflection of their emotions. What helped affirm this thought was the VegasPorsche scene. We as viewers know Vegas is a bad guy but Porsche doesn't. Porsche was feeling happy during the bike ride hence the soft music.
Exactly! Vegas is a bad guy but Porsche doesn't know it. He likes Vegas because he's nice to him. When they are riding the bike, we have calm, soothing music. Porsche runs away from problems, and we, as viewers, feel it through the music. The same thing goes with the sex scene. We know it's wrong what was happening but Porsche and Kinn didn't feel it at that moment. They felt desire so we got romantic music.
Truly saying as much as I liked bible’s acting, the way he demonstrates his expressions… I must say I didn’t enjoy his “moment” with Porsche so much?? I mean it’s not even 1 episode before, that he literally drugged him with a substance that could have actually killed him??? And tried to DO IT with him?? Yeah I did not liked it. Porsche maybe oblivious to it but as a watcher I cannot look past it.
Somehow It was really important to me that the show or porsche, whatever, acknowledged that what kinn did to porsche was awful. Now i feel like i can enjoy/appreciate the s*x scene because we're on the same page with the creators. As long as it's fiction i can enjoy dark themes but we have to acknowledge at some point that we're eating dead dove lol
this is might off topic but I really don't understand why people so in love when they speak English, I mean I'm not confused because I'm Thai but... I don't see different when they speak Thai or English for me they always 'hot' ... not sarcastic but really want to know the reason 😅
I can only speak for myself but I enjoy it so much when they speak English because I can actually understand what they are saying, and that makes me happy 😁 so when they speak in Thai I also have to focus on the subtitles and that takes my attention away from how they speak I guess? Thai language is really beautiful and I love hearing them speak Thai but I'm used to hearing Thai now so I am taken off-guard when I suddenly hear English 😁 I'm like... wait?! I can understand this?! Nice! 🤣
So... maybe it's "hot" because I actually can hear and understand the words they speak. When they speak in Thai I rely on what I read and not what I hear (most of the time). I hope that makes sense!
But please don't get me wrong, speaking in English is in no way "hotter" than speaking in Thai. I love both! 💛
~ Salomé
@@salomepelin4033 I see~ thank you for ur answer ka and really sorry if this question make you feel uncomfortable (but pls believe me, I just want to know 🥺) anyway, I love how both of you very serious about the sensitive topic (from ep. 4) honestly, at first I thought that it's both Porsche and Kinn fault about having sex that time but still understand them. Thank you for making video naka~ ✌️
It's also another skill/talent being bilingual. Just like finding a dude hot for playing guitar or who can sing.
I find this jarring also and I am a native English speaker. I think some of the new production studios are very conscious of western audiences and so that is one of the ways that they want to show that they are aware they have a big international audience
But every time I see it it’s not used sensibly and I feel they need to know that western fans and English speakers can identify with Thai characters without random English words and phrases or even French which was also done in Enchante.
I don’t like it because it’s never feeling authentically Thai, and Kim’s line delivery in English was not as good at the ones he said in Thai which means they should have reshot it a few times till it sounds natural or just let the actors use the same amount/kind of English or European words and phrases that they normally would if they were talking to Thai people. I think anymore than that it just is irksome at least to me.
But I think they will reduce this when they have more confidence in the market. The Cutie Pie people do it too and I can’t tell which is worse. It’s the new commercial producers that do this rather than the more established BL studios. They understand the international fandom better than the new comers because they’re the ones that built the international fandoms for Thai BL
@@maemaree33 I see, maybe because of people around me are biligual so... I don't get why people scream when they speak English 🤣 but now I understand ka
Honestly, I'm not actually seeing the drama i see it with you all because I'm in my CUTIEPIE zone where everything is not toxic so seeing this one with those drugged sex and few more i mean i can't actually romanticize it no matter what but also the men in this DRAMA are so scrumptious i just have to know how they look or what they doing
Sis that mean u dont understand whos vegas is. his character is insane hes aint happy person but a victim of abuser father and now he grow up knowing nothing but to do bad thing like poisone porsche to make kinn mad *if i explain everything is take long time to do so* just read the full novel and try to understand vegas life and his worst back story. i can say that he also had mental ilness cuz of lot the physical and mental abuse by his father and mother commit suicide and he never get loved since he was young. He craving for love but he dont know how to do it properly like a normal people he take wrong action to get what he want. It is what he did to porsche and pete in future is not forgivent but vegas itself living like hell and the real phsyco here is his father and all the business fight kinn father that ruin his life. Idk if u understand all of this
half of the kp fandom ignore very important point of this but what can i say they only focusing on the main lead since its their series, and also ignore that all character in the series arent an angel they are all mafia have killed tortured lot of people lol but well yall only focusing on vegas walk red flag you've said but ignore his very sad back story and why he bacame like that and make more victim. even him being gay his father beat him to death. Thats all i can say people especially kp stan wouldnt care btw since they already pointed to hate on vegas way to hard when the fact that vegas will have the best character development in future and change himself for a better person because all he need in his life is someone to love him and value his life since his father cannot do it. He even take care of macau his only brother. Ah im tired thats all take it as a fy or ignore it just like how the rest did yall seems like similiar to vegas father
First of all, please put a spoiler warning at the beginning of your comment.
Second, what you're talking about is all in the novel. We judge Vegas based on what we see in the show. If we don't understand him like you wrote, based on the reasons you wrote, it's because his "tragic past" has not neen shown yet. We didn't see his father being abusive towards him yet. We didn't learn about his mother in the show. We didn't see him take care of Macau yet. In fact, all we know about their relationship is how Vegas told Porsche Macau deserved what Porsche did to him.
"Yall only focusing on vegas red flag"
... if you watched our reaction you should know that we call any kind of behavior that we don't agree with out, not just Vegas'
We will understand Vegas more when the show actually shows us. Until then, we judge him based off what we see. The novel and the show are separate from each other.
If you're only here to tell us we don't understand a character because we didn't read the novel then please leave us alone.
~ Salomé