If you want to see these bad boys in action, Oswego's 2021 schedule is already up on their website and since the 2020 International Classic was cancelled, they're having 2 Classics in 2021! One in May and the other in September. You can check them out here: www.oswegospeedway.com/schedule/
I think that rule is only for the weekly Oswego supers. ISMA mods still have independent front suspension. Hopefully someone can chime in on the reasons, cost savings maybe?
Why on earth did they have a problem with independent front suspension? Did they thought a straight axles wheel isn’t ripped of as easily and propelled into the crowd?
@@MatsNorway The way you beat a bar with bearings on each end is by adding additional bars with independently adjustable length. a.k.a. multi-link independent suspension. But that's only performance-wise, the result is more expensive.
As a central new yorker who eats sleeps and breaths dirt modified racing. (But i will watch any racing, anywhere). This is a very respectable and accurate short documentary on our area and racing. Well done slap!!!
Just hoping I could do y’all justice. Had no idea the Syracuse Mile was gone until I started doing research for this a month or so back. Wish I could have seen that track in person. Used to watch super dirt week every year on speed channel.
@@S1apShoes there is nothing like what the syracuse mile was.. but thats not all bad. I crew on a dirt modified team and while its not the mile, oswego is a lot of fun... it is a much more level playing field for everybody. Nobody has a weekly running there advantage. Even if your a low budget team you can be competitive if ya nail the setup. At Syracuse you had to have the big smoke under the hood.. $$ was king there
@@TheFROSTER420 the team i crew on is good friends with the whole Bartlett family that runs the track. Its a 2 1/2 hour haul for us. But worth every mile becuase they treat the teams great, which creates a good car count, which creates a packed house. We love it there
Actually that would be interesting. They have so much aero on them they may not run faster than a cup car there, but they run 900HP unrestricted so that could be wild
Oh trust me having watched them regularly... they prolly have a offset weight box somewhere on the car for those too, to get a little more left side percentage....
I heard a story about a guy who had never driven a super modified, got into one even though his wife warned him not to, he ended up crashing and going to the hospital and when he woke up his wife was there and there was a hub from one of the wheels on the table with flowers in it and when he asked her “what’s that?” She told him “thats the only part off that car they could salvage.” Super modified drivers are just insane when you realize just how fast they accelerate, let alone how fast they get on the larger tracks.
@@dougsmith4999 uh, no they weren't. The original Strictly Stock (Cup Series) were technically modifieds and were called as such until the late '50's, and I never said a damn thing about Super-Modifieds coming after regular asphalt modifieds (even though they did). I just called it an upgrade. You're wrong (twice); you're the idiot.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance actually to correct you, the modifieds were their own division and ran pre wwii souped up coupes because the strictly stocks were all cars from the current production year, and Bill France’s logic was “well i dont think Ford Motor Company would care too much if one of their 20 year old models won, however I think it’s raise an eyebrow if a current model won” which is because he was looking for a few good big sponsors and that was one of the ways he figured it might have worked out. Watch the S1apSh0es video on NASCAR Modifieds to pretty much hear what i just said
Many, many years ago I went to a race at Oswego, I think it was a Richie Evens Memorial Race, and saw the supers for the first time live. I sat in the old metal grandstands. Once they began going around the track in practice I realized I forgot to bring my ear plugs in with me. Believe me, if you sit in a metal grandstand with a roof, you WILL need ear plugs.
Sharon Speedway in Hartville Ohio has this problem with their covered grandstands as well. Gets super loud at Outlaw events and things like that. I've been at dirt tracks since I was 3 weeks old, and even I think it's a bit too loud while sitting under the covered grand stand. Very nice facility tho, and they do offer ear protection at the track for cheap
Watching the Supermods at Oswego, and Lancaster is a thrill you'll never forget. The absolute speeds they're running is insane on the short tracks. Definitely one of my favorites to watch. I go to college in Oswego and I've heard some practice sessions over the past 2 months. Love watching these things race
lol is there any asphalt left to tht track the old owners ran all there tracks to sht looks like hudson is on the rebound wish owners wld realize you got to keep the track up and comfortable for both the racers and fans
@@joshconnolly8854 last year they averaged 27 350 supers. Best weekly racing around by far. But I do miss seeing the big blocks weekly in the late 80s early 90s
@@wizard3z868 Star Speedway is doing great. Mr. Webber Jr. has put a lot into the track. New lights & a lot more. Car counts are up. There is a reason they say. The Place to Race !!
Thank you for covering the ultimate short track racing machine. If you haven't seen these beats in person, they are a destination division for any short track racing fan. Loud, fast, and simply amazing to watch. They change the weather when they race, and there's video evidence of that. When you see them, watch the flags on the front and backstretch (if the track has them). They will blow in opposite directions.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 th-cam.com/video/-kYaKb9845k/w-d-xo.html Race started in clear conditions, the downforce pulled the fog down. 10 minutes later the hobby stocks raced in relatively clear conditions. It could be sheer coincidence, or it could be evidence, that's up the the person viewing it. I was there, I know what I believe. The flags thing is one hundred percent legitimate, it can be observed at the short track anytime these beasts run in big numbers. Small track, big wings, high speeds. A little different than NASCAR on a 1.5 mile track with little downforce, just an observation from a short track fan and a guy that absolutely loves these cars. If you haven't seen them, they are a must see for short track racing fans. Phenomenal doesn't even begin to describe a great super modified race.
@@SockyNoob Obviously, but I don't think he has much exposure let alone knowledge of them. That said, I can see BTCC and DTM appeal to a guy like Slap simply because they've both got a rather interesting approach.
Jimmy Shampine has to be put right up there with Colin Chapman, Smokey Yunick, and, A.J. Watson as one the greatest innovators in the history of motorsports. That offset, rear engine Super is simply incredible!!! By the way, that "3 wheeled Super" was the 3 to 1 Supermodified built by Kenny Reece. It was tested at Sandusky Speedway by the late Tim Richmond. Once the speed of it was found out it was instantly banned ( just like the rear engined Shampine Super) by the folks at Oswego...
They ran these car at Lucas Oil Raceway (IRP) earlier this year, definitely one of the more interesting cars to watch. They absolutely flew around that track.
I saw them years ago when they made a trip to Berlin Raceway in Marne, MI. I'm not a huge short track fan but I would highly recommend the super modifieds to any race fan. The speeds mean they're just nuts to watch. A car going that fast around such a relatively small track is mind-blowing.
Its a blast. I spent many a weekend there as kid starting in the late 70s to well into the 90s and it was a blast. A lot of us Canadians headed across the border for the Classic, two attend and race. My uncle raced it all through the 60s and early 70s and those cars were crazy.
I live in Syracuse so all of these videos makes feel at home. When you go see these races when these beasts are racing the sounds will make your heart go to your throat.
Jim Shampine was called “The Professor”. He was the reason the rear engine car got banned and he was running lap times back then that they run now. He lapped an entire field one race. My dad told me a story during a classic weekend where he was running that and someone was in his back up. The back up crashed and Jim let the other guy run his rear engine. He went back out a lap down and finished 4th I think.
That was Eddie Flemke Jr. He and Shampine were friends. Jim let him race the rear engined car. However Jim suffered an issue and fell out early. Flemke dominated all day, but had an oil line begin to leak. He fell a lap down ,but unlapped himself to finish 4th. Given about 10 more laps he was on his way to destroying everyone all over again lol.
As a followup, you might want to have a look at the west coast Super scene, contemporary with the northeast scene covered here. As Mark Chaves Jr. notes in a separate comment, there were cars called Super Modifieds racing at San Jose as early as the '60's. These looked somewhat like sprint cars except they had frames with rectangular tube bottom rails, squared off tails, and single 4-barrel carburetors. By the 1980's there were radical offset cars running all over California, Oregon and Washington. I helped out on one of these in 1986. Tracks included Mesa Marin (Bakersfield), Madera, Evergreen, and even Phoenix. The main west coast sanctioning body was the SMRA. USAC also ran Supers. We ran both USAC and SMRA with the same car. The only rules difference was that for USAC you had to have a single-element wing. Ours had a big main element and a small one at the trailing edge. For USAC, we just put duct tape over the gap and they let us run that way. SMRA's philosophy in the '80's was "best rules is no rules." There were safety rules but that was about it. I never saw a moveable wing. I think maybe they had a rule against moveable aerodynamic devices. There were no suspension rules. There were some really interesting cars. The Triguiero brothers had a rear-engined one with 4-wheel drive. Doug Gore designed a rear-engined one with an aluminum big-block Chevy mounted backwards ahead of the left rear wheel and a gear train at the front driving a drive shaft back to the usual quick change beam axle. There was the Gerhardt Offy car, which was a "conventional" radical offset chassis, but with a turbocharged 4-cylinder Offenhauser. There was one car with an injected Keith Black aluminum Hemi, with Keith Black himself often present in the pits helping wrench it. Our car was "conventional", with a 434 Fisher Donovan small block Chevy. I'm trying to remember the car builder's name, without success. I think his surname was German. His shop was on the east side of Fresno. Maybe somebody here can help me out on that. I left California in 1990. I understand there have been other sanctioning organizations, and more rules, including mandatory beam axles, left percentage limits and wing size limits. I believe there were even two different wing size limits, tied to left percentage; if you ran less left percentage you could have more wing. Lately they have been running winged sprints and Supers together at Madera. There are a number of videos here on YT of these races. The sprints are competitive with the Supers because they're allowed much bigger wings. Here's a recent event at Madera: th-cam.com/video/zhFCJbD_wL4/w-d-xo.html
I can literally see this track from my house. Generally they don’t run wing supers here but once a year, the regular modified and super modified classes are weekly in the summer.
I was happy as hell when this was uploaded. I've followed ISMA closely for my whole life, and I've never really seen the supers get any kind of widespread attention like this. I've seen people sharing this who have never heard of the supers, along with lifelong fans, promoters, and guys who are still racing them. A lot of those people are hard to please, and I honestly expected most of them to treat the video like it was made for us by agreeing with everything said, and shrugging it off as stuff we all know. That hasn't been the case at all. The reason I'm watching and commenting for a second time is because ISMA appreciated this video enough to post the link at the top of their homepage. I really hope an on location can happen in the future. Watching the supers run is seriously an experience, and I don't know how else to put it. I'd almost liken it to experiencing a top fuel race in person. The show is always amazing whether they're running on 1/3 mile bullrings like Seekonk, or throwing it into the corners at Thompson at 180 mph. And Oswego definitely makes a pretty killer hot dog.
I'm not a huge short track fan and the super modifieds only make occasional excursions to where I live (Michigan) but to me it's always worth it to go watch them if you have to chance. The speeds they attain on such relatively short tracks are astonishing.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I don't think they do it anymore, but the supermod/sprint car double header at Toledo was always a blast. Nothing but winged monsters from start to finish.
I had the absolute pleasure of owning and racing against some great minds, including Jim Shampine, in the late 70's. Jim was not only a genius designer and driver, he was a true human who helped other owners and drivers. A trip to Oswego is a must!
I’ve watched this video five times and keep coming back for the nostalgia. As a native of neighboring Fulton, New York, this video makes me feel at home. I’ve spent dozens of Friday and Saturday nights at the races in Brewerton, Fulton, and of course, Oswego. My personal preference is watching the dirt modifieds at Fulton Speedway, but I completely understand the allure of the Supers down the road. Looking forward to the S1ap on Location video from CNY one day.
I grew up in Central NY, and LOVED going to Oswego. J. Shampine lived two miles down the road from me at the time, so naturally he was my all time favorite Super driver. And yes, the hot dogs at Oswego are GREEAT!. (Hoffman franks I believe) The covered grandstands, the roar of the engines, the smell of methanol -- WOW! It all makes for a unique and exciting event!!
I was a 12 year old in Billerica Massachusetts hanging out in my neighbors garage watching them weld up frames and build bodies for these cars. On the weekend the two Cann Brothers would grab me and pile into their black 69 Chevy pickup with “Cann Brothers Roofing” painted on the side in red letters. We would drive to Oswego and Star speedway and others. I would get home we’ll past midnight trying to stay awake. I am in my 60’s now and remember these days well. Now I manage the airport fleet shop in Denver but that garage and those races were my early start and love of cars. Great video!
I’ve always been a DIRT track race fan at ❤️heart(Orange county fair speedway in Middletown,N.Y., Accord speedway, Syracuse, Lebanon valley...etc, etc.). My grandpa took my up to Oswego in the mid 70’s. He said, “Boy, you wanna see 👀some fast cars👍🏼? 😍Let’s go upstate to Oswego for the weekend. His brother in law up had a farm👨🏻🌾 in nearby Savanna. We went up on a Thursday afternoon and came back on Monday morning. I didn’t want to leave, I loved the farm, the cars, the experience and as I got older, the girls🥰. We would go up several times during the summer until he passed away in 1984, I graduated high school and went into the Marines. I’ve returned a few times since, but not as often as I’d like. I’m sure glad someone recognized how important this track is. Thanks a lot for bringing back the memories of my childhood.
I grew up in Oswego, moved to Greenville, SC and just returned to Oswego. I've seen races at almost every crown jewel event and series and nothing gives me the chills like the start of a feature at Oswego.
10:21. That lonnng loud sound brings back so many memories. Watching those cars fly through that corner and open up the throttle in front of the stands. SO LOUD but so worth it
The monsters my Grandfather and his friends built and wheeled from the 60s to the 80s. My Dad always traveled to Oswego with my Grandfather and helped crew the car and watch the race. Thank you for covering this.
Thank you Slap, for covering some less known forms of motorsport. I would love to see your take on the history and evolution of sprint car racing in a video someday soon!
Awesome video Slap, absolutely love it. I’m a northern fella, grew up going to every ISMA race no matter where it was. Awesome to see you shouting out these badass machines. Please come to the 2021 Oswego Classic, and bring some friends, you won’t ever see anything like the supers!
Fascinating and informative video as always! Honestly, I've never heard of this class before. Your video made me know more about the Super Modifieds. Good job! Keep it up.
This is the kind of content I love. And honestly, there is so much great racing history in Upstate NY, You could spend a ton of time up here for Slap On Location for some real Gems.
Hey the super modifieds are getting the slapshoes treatment! Hell yeah, what a great video man! I saw these cars for the first time ever last year and was absolutely blown away. If you are at all a short track racing fan, Oswego Speedway NEEDS to be on your bucket list. And as an aside, it would be incredible to see these cars in iRacing, finally getting the recognition outside the northeast that they deserve.
I had the chance to see a super mod race at Lancaster Speedway in WNY a couple years ago and they were about the fastest thing I’ve ever seen on a short track.
thank you for talking about dirt modifieds my dad used to race them in the 90s and i have alot of freinds who run them. they are such a fun series that everyone needs to watch
They're unreal at Thompson, man. Going 180 into the turns on a short track is just insane. My best World Series memory was back in 1999 when Ted Christopher raced a super for the first time. He started scratch in a Paul Dunnigan car and won. He didn't jump into a super again until 2010 at Berlin. He started scratch and won the feature again, but driving for Clyde Booth. TC was just a legend like that.
@@leclercracer3377 I've been meaning to come back and reply again for a few days. I'm grateful that I grew up in a New England racing family. I think I've seen Teddy win in just about everything. Supers, modifieds, SKs, pro stocks, Busch North, TQs in the Providence Civic Center, NEMA at Waterford. Those of us who got to see him race were seriously lucky. I still can't believe we lost him and Stefanik in such similar ways over a short span of time.
As a Northeast dirt modified racer, thank you so much for throwing in Super Dirt Week and Gary Balloughs win. The Batmobile had such a massive effect on the development of our cars that can still be seen even 40 years later!
Love the video! Please keep exploring these more obscure forms of motorsport and motorsport history. I've heard of super modifieds but never had a clue what that meant. Great video.
If you have a chance to see super modifieds, take it. I grew up an IndyCar fan and seeing super modifieds is the closest thing to IndyCar racing I've seen on a short track. They are _blazing_ fast.
This kind of race car is very clever, crafty, and tricky idea, but a darn good one too. Who da thunk you'd come up with a legendary look like that when you get ideas from World of Outlaws, Indy Car, F1, and Nascar all together. Great video S.S
THE auto value super sprints ran there a few years ago . it got to the point it was too fast . they were carrying super speedway speeds into the corners .
th-cam.com/video/Eq7czGrinGc/w-d-xo.html here you are. I believe Lichty and Timmy J have time trialed there. Otto Sitterly ran some hot laps at Homestead recently too.
As someone that grew up 10 miles as the crow flies from the Oswego track, I need to give you some important tips. 1) wear ear plugs and ear muffs. When I was a kid I could hear the cars 10 miles away. It gets loud. Very loud! Your hearing will thank me. 2) The hotdogs shown in the video are Coneys. Basically an unsmoked hotdog. I do believe they have another local favorite, Hoffmanns. 3 PLAN AHEAD! Lodging is very limited in Oswego itself, and some weekends are booked a year in advance. (We have a local state college, an annual festival that caused a few race events to change because both events could not be supported, and State Fair times can see an up tick in hotel occupancy. If you are going the camper route, you still need to book well enough in advance. There are some camp grounds in the county and relatively nearby. 4) Bring a fishing pole. You can buy a fishing license at the Walmart, and experience some great fishing. There are many charter boats in the area that can take you out into Lake Ontario, or there are other areas that you can fish at. Follow posted regulations (some places like up in Pulaski (pronounced pull ass sky) only allows fly fishing).
Oh and one addition to your otherwise perfect video… the Oswego Speedway started as a 3/8 mile horse track, then a 3/8 dirt track before going 5/8 mile paved.
Love these cars, I remember seeing one as a kid and thinking it was cool it had a 4cyl out the side until I got closer and realized it was a V8. Then it was bad freaking ass
Great video! Totally enjoyed it. My friend Tom Naylor was killed in Super Modifieds back in 1992. Too bad he couldn't see the latest iteration of this AWESOME motorsport. But I know he died doing exactly what he loved.
9:00 To be fair, you can go to any local asphalt oval track in the country on a Friday night and find late models that would smoke a cup car. Cup cars aren't even close to the fastest oval cars.
WOW! I had forgotten about how blazingly fast the Super Modifieds were. Ive only seen them live a couple times and I remember a few of them in people's yards between races. I didn't realize they were still active. Thanks for the video reminder.
Wow my cousin Jimmy drove these for years at Oswego! He's retired now, after a pretty serious crash a few years back, but I believe he still co-owns his old car's new team. Been visiting family there my whole life, I never expected Oswego, and the Super Modified's, to make it to a channel like S1apSh0es!
Literally smiling ear to ear over this video. I was lucky enough to work as media at the last few Syracuse Mile races, The Classic Weekend and the first year of Super DIRT Week at Oswego. I love the video and you got a lot of information into a short timeframe. A S1AP on Location is 1000% in order... Might I suggest next year you take off a couple weeks from the end of september to the beginning of October and hit both the Classic and SDW up. You will NOT be disappointed... Also, for those wondering just how fast a Super Modified is, the track record at Oswego Speedway, a 5/8ths mile FLAT oval is 15.800 seconds. That's the same time cup cars run around Martinsville. A half-mile flat oval. Here's a couple video links for anyone interested in diving deeper... 2016 Track Record (15.802)- Mike Lichty: th-cam.com/video/unH1ztiu8S8/w-d-xo.html IMRRC: A History of The Supermodified: th-cam.com/video/4uastrgon7M/w-d-xo.html
I live in Oswego. Every summer night you can hear the races. The sound goes across lake Ontario and you can hear them miles away. Every year Super Dirt Week leaves the city caked in dust.
Hey Slap I dare you to do a video on the more "unusual" types of dirt track racing. Like lawn mower racing for example. Both the US and UK have their own leagues and the UK have a 12 hour long event, racing lawnmowers!
Rototiller drag races. Sometimes literally on the drag part. Saw one of those events on the "On the Edge" show on Speed TV. One guy ran an unlimited class tiller while his wife competed in the stock class. She decided to try his tiller for a run. She was able to windmill her short legs fast enough to stay up about half the length of the track then lost her footing. She didn't let go! The tiller dragged her across the finish line. Fortunately the track was soft dirt so no injuries. Another couple of oddball racing events involve snowmobiles, but no snow. One bunch runs them on grass, the other on water. Snowmobiles on water started out years ago up in the Northeast somewhere. They'd cut a good sized rectangle through the ice on a frozen lake and I'd assume carved a ramp on both ends down below water level. Mechanical prep was removing lights and other non-essential parts. Hitting the right speed and maintaining balance to keep the skis on plane and the stock track's paddles pushing enough water to skim across a few feet of open water didn't happen too often so many waterlogged snowmobiles had to be recovered. Over the years people have come up with special skis and tracks and the engine power and speed (of machines intended for use on snow) has gone up a lot since someone first though about seeing if he could skim across a bit of water. Dunno about the water racers but the grass guys have gone the way so many fun racing has. Rules. A crapton of RULES. www.isrracing.org/tempPDF/Grass%20Drag%20Racing.pdf
Well Slap, Thank you for the video. In the 60"s my father in law who then resided in Toronto , used to hit Flamboro, Pine Crest and Oswego. I was introduced to Oswego in 1974, drove from Montreal, Canada every weekend for many years to catch the races at the Steel Palace. The Pine was the man on the top of the heap, Oswego jaded him by banning his rear engine car, he took some time off to check out other forms of racing, came back and kicked but! Oswego has always been the coolest and fastest short track on earth. Thank you :)
Todd Gibson is a GENIUS! I’ve had the pleasure of sitting with the man a couple times in the past two years and asking him question after question. He’s such a kind soul and so is his family...who continued his racing legacy.
So many distinct memories when the ISMA tour showed up at my local tracks. Seeing contrails come off of the wings on humid nights at a 3/8ths mile track. Watching a poorly setup super picking up the left rear tire off the ground on entry to turn one. Seeing the late Ted Christopher using the tiny push bumpers as a chrome horn before having a series regular pull up along side under caution and using a series of hand gestures to say "we don't race like that in these cars!". It's always a spectacle watching them run.
damn man, i'ma miss the modified madness NY is known for. but i have plans on going to nevada so it all works out in the end. just glad upstate new york is getting limelight still.
I cant tell you how happy I am to see this video my grandfather raced supermodifieds in Oswego in the heyday and my cousins continue to do so... looking at this video reminds me of the photos on my grandfathers shop walls
@@souocara38able Actually there is a type of sprint car they run only on paved tracks, often racing on the same ones the few different regions of Modified series race. I forget but these are bigger then the cars that race on dirt and have a brake peddle. on some tracks they have not just a top spoiler but a hood one as well due to needing them to stay on some tracks.
"The super modified is an abomination to all that is holy in car construction". Everyone was thinking it but someone finally said it. LMAO, my mans called it a "godless set of circumstances" I'm crying.
I was fortunate to experience these great machines as they developed. Being from Mansfield, Ohio there was a great dirt track that always saw signs of greatness, but never lasted for any length of time. To the North was Sandusky Speedway and a few other asphalt tracks. Though the supers started in N.Y. they ran quite often at Sandusky and yes the dirt of Mansfield as well. On another note, I am surprised you did not mention the driver of the radical super with three wheels on one side. None other than Tim Richmond from Ashland, Ohio who actually drove his first racecar (sprint) on a little dirt track in Lakeville, Ohio. Enjoy your videos as they bring back memories...
man when you said play offs were B.S. at the 2021 prediction schedule video, I thought well play offs look awesome to me, but now looking at kevin harvick dominant 9 wins in his season coming to an end because he didn't punch his ticket while he was in first place in the points, I can understand why play offs are B.S. they weren't B.S. since 2004 to 2013, but now they kind of are, took me a while to understand why there B.S. wonder how I became blind of all of this, Because Nascar Fucked Kevin Havick 2020 career like A holes.
He choked. Plain and simple. He wasn't there when it mattered, and that cost him the Championship. That doesn't have anything to do with Nascar, that has to do with him
Jeff Gordon would have at least 2 more championships if it wasn't for the stupid playoffs. But the dumbass drug addict/drunk france jr. jr. in charge got mad because Matt Kenseth won a championship and only won one race. And prior to that other driver's had won the Championship weeks before the season was over.
This super modified series is exactly what brought me into racing. One of the first races I went to came to my local track in 2010 and it came down to the wire. It was an awesome race and I’ve been a racing fan ever since
That's exactly right. I've done it in a simulator called Assetto Corsa. They have a winged supermodified and their version of one does around 190mph but you never have to lift. Not quite as fast as a modern IndyCar, but a hell of a lot quicker than a cup car around that place...
Love the supers. Those were bad ass machines. We raced at Owego (no s) for many years and once or twice a year these bad boys would come down and put on a show. Their times around the Owego track were blistering and even more so when compared to the modifieds and street stocks we normally saw. Loved seeing them. Thanks for the videos.
Fell in love with them the first time I saw them on TH-cam, and as I kept digging their history just became more and more intriguing. Had to give them their day in the sun.
S1apSh0es what a great video i remember friends telling me about these years ago but "pre you tube era" and being former V8 Supercar builder here in Australia i can really appreciate the work and thought behind each and every car ! Thank you again for explaining the roots of this class of racing wish we had it here in OZ !
"3 wheels on the right of the car and 1 on the left; They said you had to have 4 wheels, but they never did say where those had to be located" *LOOOOOOOOL*
Technically, the rulebook does now. Car has to have four wheels "in the usual locations." I believe Tim Richmond was the one with the balls to test that car.
If you want to see these bad boys in action, Oswego's 2021 schedule is already up on their website and since the 2020 International Classic was cancelled, they're having 2 Classics in 2021! One in May and the other in September. You can check them out here: www.oswegospeedway.com/schedule/
says your prediction on 2021 nascar schedule
If you do a slap on location I’ll probably make the trip out there. I’m about 3 hours away but have always wanted to go 😎
I appreciate the use of music from Trigun lol
Also the 3 to 1 car was Tim Richmond. Back when he still lived in Ohio
Hey fast fact current mod tour driver Rob Summers used to dominate in these
The bastard child of an F1 Car, an Indy Car, a Stock Car and a Sprint Car
No one knows it's genetic makeup and everyone is just too afraid to ask
Insert Familly guys Noah's Arch meme
It also looks like it has a bit of top fuel dragster in it's DNA
And a dragster
Patrick Kennedy that’s where the 1200hp big block comes from. Lmaoo
Queue the 'Le 56% Face' memes here...
70's: "you can do literally anything you want with the design of the car"
90's: "no independent front suspension."
I think that rule is only for the weekly Oswego supers. ISMA mods still have independent front suspension. Hopefully someone can chime in on the reasons, cost savings maybe?
Independent front is now allowed at Oswego. Think that changed 2-3 years ago.
Why on earth did they have a problem with independent front suspension?
Did they thought a straight axles wheel isn’t ripped of as easily and propelled into the crowd?
@@rolux4853 Cost probably. hard to beat a bar with bearings on each end.
@@MatsNorway
The way you beat a bar with bearings on each end is by adding additional bars with independently adjustable length. a.k.a. multi-link independent suspension. But that's only performance-wise, the result is more expensive.
As a central new yorker who eats sleeps and breaths dirt modified racing. (But i will watch any racing, anywhere). This is a very respectable and accurate short documentary on our area and racing. Well done slap!!!
Just hoping I could do y’all justice. Had no idea the Syracuse Mile was gone until I started doing research for this a month or so back. Wish I could have seen that track in person. Used to watch super dirt week every year on speed channel.
@@S1apShoes there is nothing like what the syracuse mile was.. but thats not all bad. I crew on a dirt modified team and while its not the mile, oswego is a lot of fun... it is a much more level playing field for everybody. Nobody has a weekly running there advantage. Even if your a low budget team you can be competitive if ya nail the setup. At Syracuse you had to have the big smoke under the hood.. $$ was king there
@@S1apShoes but while i have your ear. Just wanted to say i love your videos. And your no bs style of telling the story. Keepem coming
@@romanhendrickson8385 You ever make your way to Can-Am Speedway in La Fargeville? Used to spend every Saturday there.
@@TheFROSTER420 the team i crew on is good friends with the whole Bartlett family that runs the track. Its a 2 1/2 hour haul for us. But worth every mile becuase they treat the teams great, which creates a good car count, which creates a packed house. We love it there
9:00 “When running flat out, they can smoke a NASCAR cup car”
Oh my god I want to see these things run at Talladega
There's gonna be so many deaths lol
Actually that would be interesting. They have so much aero on them they may not run faster than a cup car there, but they run 900HP unrestricted so that could be wild
they actually tested them once at new hampshire motor speedway and they were so fast they shut down the test in a couple laps
They wouldnt be faster there because the wheels have no fender. But they do 160 at Bristol.
@@cainenschulz2115 yes they did... hoosier bout shit their pants at how quickly they were tearing up the hardest compounds they had.
6:04 is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that vague rules will allow and I love it.
You must have loved group B, if you were alive at the time
Group B: The scariest shit to happen in the woods since axe murders became a thing.
It was beautiful Chaos.
I want an entire video about *that* car.
A supermodified is pretty much an upgrade of when your regular asphalt modified can't fit both of your balls at once.
Oh trust me having watched them regularly... they prolly have a offset weight box somewhere on the car for those too, to get a little more left side percentage....
I heard a story about a guy who had never driven a super modified, got into one even though his wife warned him not to, he ended up crashing and going to the hospital and when he woke up his wife was there and there was a hub from one of the wheels on the table with flowers in it and when he asked her “what’s that?” She told him “thats the only part off that car they could salvage.” Super modified drivers are just insane when you realize just how fast they accelerate, let alone how fast they get on the larger tracks.
Your an idiot These things were running before a pavement Mod even existed
@@dougsmith4999 uh, no they weren't. The original Strictly Stock (Cup Series) were technically modifieds and were called as such until the late '50's, and I never said a damn thing about Super-Modifieds coming after regular asphalt modifieds (even though they did). I just called it an upgrade.
You're wrong (twice); you're the idiot.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance actually to correct you, the modifieds were their own division and ran pre wwii souped up coupes because the strictly stocks were all cars from the current production year, and Bill France’s logic was “well i dont think Ford Motor Company would care too much if one of their 20 year old models won, however I think it’s raise an eyebrow if a current model won” which is because he was looking for a few good big sponsors and that was one of the ways he figured it might have worked out. Watch the S1apSh0es video on NASCAR Modifieds to pretty much hear what i just said
Many, many years ago I went to a race at Oswego, I think it was a Richie Evens Memorial Race, and saw the supers for the first time live. I sat in the old metal grandstands. Once they began going around the track in practice I realized I forgot to bring my ear plugs in with me. Believe me, if you sit in a metal grandstand with a roof, you WILL need ear plugs.
Nashville TN Fairgrounds is like that too! VERY LOUD and the best hotdogs we know how to make! I wanna go to Oswego so badly! Real tight local racing!
Sharon Speedway in Hartville Ohio has this problem with their covered grandstands as well. Gets super loud at Outlaw events and things like that. I've been at dirt tracks since I was 3 weeks old, and even I think it's a bit too loud while sitting under the covered grand stand. Very nice facility tho, and they do offer ear protection at the track for cheap
Watching the Supermods at Oswego, and Lancaster is a thrill you'll never forget. The absolute speeds they're running is insane on the short tracks. Definitely one of my favorites to watch. I go to college in Oswego and I've heard some practice sessions over the past 2 months. Love watching these things race
I go to Oswego as well and I love hearing the cars from outside the residence halls!
S1AP: so you know of the modified races right?
Me: ya what about it
S1AP: *WELL LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT SUPER MODIFIED*
Me: excuse me what
@Federal Bureau of Investigation Maximum Over Modified
@AARON FEVRIN ULTRA ULTAMATE MODIFIED
@Federal Bureau of Investigation Uber Modifieds
@@1320crusier Omega Modified. Nuff said.
This comment thread is fantastic 😂
Thanks for calling attention to the Supers!! I work on a 350 up around Star Speedway, and man are they fun to wrench on.
lol is there any asphalt left to tht track the old owners ran all there tracks to sht looks like hudson is on the rebound wish owners wld realize you got to keep the track up and comfortable for both the racers and fans
@@wizard3z868 star speedway is doing great the owner died and his son took over and has made improvements and there’s about 20 cars a class
@@joshconnolly8854 last year they averaged 27 350 supers. Best weekly racing around by far. But I do miss seeing the big blocks weekly in the late 80s early 90s
@@wizard3z868 Star Speedway is doing great. Mr. Webber Jr. has put a lot into the track. New lights & a lot more. Car counts are up. There is a reason they say. The Place to Race !!
@@richardpalleschi4807 been like 10 yes maybe I'll make it a new years resolution to go thx
The weirder the car, the better the S1ap video
hi carnation
Thank you for covering the ultimate short track racing machine. If you haven't seen these beats in person, they are a destination division for any short track racing fan.
Loud, fast, and simply amazing to watch. They change the weather when they race, and there's video evidence of that.
When you see them, watch the flags on the front and backstretch (if the track has them). They will blow in opposite directions.
Saw an ISMA race one time where they dragged fogged from above and raced in hard to see conditions at Waterford Speedbowl
@@superjeb8777 they have done that multiple times. They will also create contrails in the right humidity.
They are just awesome in so many ways.
Used to wrench on a Sprint at Sandusky Speedway. Hi-Miler weekend was a huge party. Miss them days
Ah yes...vortex theory.
Not accurate, but I want to believe.
@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 th-cam.com/video/-kYaKb9845k/w-d-xo.html
Race started in clear conditions, the downforce pulled the fog down. 10 minutes later the hobby stocks raced in relatively clear conditions. It could be sheer coincidence, or it could be evidence, that's up the the person viewing it. I was there, I know what I believe.
The flags thing is one hundred percent legitimate, it can be observed at the short track anytime these beasts run in big numbers.
Small track, big wings, high speeds. A little different than NASCAR on a 1.5 mile track with little downforce, just an observation from a short track fan and a guy that absolutely loves these cars.
If you haven't seen them, they are a must see for short track racing fans. Phenomenal doesn't even begin to describe a great super modified race.
Next: Brazilian Stock Cars or Argentinian Tursimo Carretera
Oh man, there's a TON of foreign racing series that he could cover.
@@SockyNoob Obviously, but I don't think he has much exposure let alone knowledge of them. That said, I can see BTCC and DTM appeal to a guy like Slap simply because they've both got a rather interesting approach.
@@TripleAlfafa DTM is dead
@@christopherflynn4094 dtm is gt3 in 2021 and ev in 2023 far from dead imho
@@phillipkerfoot2389 yes but gt3 isn't touring cars. DTM stands for deutschland touring motors. DTM is dead.
Jimmy Shampine has to be put right up there with Colin Chapman, Smokey Yunick, and, A.J. Watson as one the greatest innovators in the history of motorsports. That offset, rear engine Super is simply incredible!!! By the way, that "3 wheeled Super" was the 3 to 1 Supermodified built by Kenny Reece. It was tested at Sandusky Speedway by the late Tim Richmond. Once the speed of it was found out it was instantly banned ( just like the rear engined Shampine Super) by the folks at Oswego...
S1apSh0es: *I like chaos. I like racing.*
S1ap seeing Super Late Models: *THIS IS MY HEAVEN*
They ran these car at Lucas Oil Raceway (IRP) earlier this year, definitely one of the more interesting cars to watch. They absolutely flew around that track.
I saw them years ago when they made a trip to Berlin Raceway in Marne, MI. I'm not a huge short track fan but I would highly recommend the super modifieds to any race fan. The speeds mean they're just nuts to watch. A car going that fast around such a relatively small track is mind-blowing.
Oswego is highly recommended, one year I was there and saw Kenny Schrader run a ROC race for Tony Stewart.
Its a blast. I spent many a weekend there as kid starting in the late 70s to well into the 90s and it was a blast. A lot of us Canadians headed across the border for the Classic, two attend and race. My uncle raced it all through the 60s and early 70s and those cars were crazy.
Tony Stewart was not even born during the Golden days of The Supers Get a life and stay on the porch
@@dougsmith4999 troll much. 😂
I live in Syracuse so all of these videos makes feel at home. When you go see these races when these beasts are racing the sounds will make your heart go to your throat.
The one thing I miss more than anything (Besides Family) when I moved from Oswego. But go back to the track every time I go back to visit.
Jim Shampine was called “The Professor”. He was the reason the rear engine car got banned and he was running lap times back then that they run now. He lapped an entire field one race. My dad told me a story during a classic weekend where he was running that and someone was in his back up. The back up crashed and Jim let the other guy run his rear engine. He went back out a lap down and finished 4th I think.
That was Eddie Flemke Jr. He and Shampine were friends. Jim let him race the rear engined car. However Jim suffered an issue and fell out early. Flemke dominated all day, but had an oil line begin to leak. He fell a lap down ,but unlapped himself to finish 4th. Given about 10 more laps he was on his way to destroying everyone all over again lol.
@@FloridaManRacer Not Flemke , it was Warren Coniam .
"His name was J-"
"I always hated backing up my tailer"
Good ad timing.
Lame right
Seeing the winged supermods as a kid was some of the coolest racing I’ve ever seen. Oswego was a cool trip to the USA too.
Bruh he started playing among us music
1:37
I thought it was from the earlier scorn trailers
It sure as hell ain't in the ContentID library
Yeah, seems kind of sus.
My goodness, its as if, a world is ending. Bruh.... Along with, my beautiful language....
I just wonder how long he gets this research, I wouldn't even find 10 photos.
Got to give this boi alot of credit
Theres tons of photos out there and they race 10 times at least yearly.
@@mitchdrew9005 More than 10 times a year, They race all the time. I see them 3-4 times a year normally
These are common at new England tracks. Was lucky enough to see Jim Shampine race many times, Doug Heveron too, great drivers.
retro rockets will get you started. Read my post at the top
As a followup, you might want to have a look at the west coast Super scene, contemporary with the northeast scene covered here. As Mark Chaves Jr. notes in a separate comment, there were cars called Super Modifieds racing at San Jose as early as the '60's. These looked somewhat like sprint cars except they had frames with rectangular tube bottom rails, squared off tails, and single 4-barrel carburetors.
By the 1980's there were radical offset cars running all over California, Oregon and Washington. I helped out on one of these in 1986. Tracks included Mesa Marin (Bakersfield), Madera, Evergreen, and even Phoenix. The main west coast sanctioning body was the SMRA. USAC also ran Supers. We ran both USAC and SMRA with the same car. The only rules difference was that for USAC you had to have a single-element wing. Ours had a big main element and a small one at the trailing edge. For USAC, we just put duct tape over the gap and they let us run that way.
SMRA's philosophy in the '80's was "best rules is no rules." There were safety rules but that was about it. I never saw a moveable wing. I think maybe they had a rule against moveable aerodynamic devices. There were no suspension rules. There were some really interesting cars. The Triguiero brothers had a rear-engined one with 4-wheel drive. Doug Gore designed a rear-engined one with an aluminum big-block Chevy mounted backwards ahead of the left rear wheel and a gear train at the front driving a drive shaft back to the usual quick change beam axle. There was the Gerhardt Offy car, which was a "conventional" radical offset chassis, but with a turbocharged 4-cylinder Offenhauser. There was one car with an injected Keith Black aluminum Hemi, with Keith Black himself often present in the pits helping wrench it.
Our car was "conventional", with a 434 Fisher Donovan small block Chevy. I'm trying to remember the car builder's name, without success. I think his surname was German. His shop was on the east side of Fresno. Maybe somebody here can help me out on that.
I left California in 1990. I understand there have been other sanctioning organizations, and more rules, including mandatory beam axles, left percentage limits and wing size limits. I believe there were even two different wing size limits, tied to left percentage; if you ran less left percentage you could have more wing.
Lately they have been running winged sprints and Supers together at Madera. There are a number of videos here on YT of these races. The sprints are competitive with the Supers because they're allowed much bigger wings. Here's a recent event at Madera: th-cam.com/video/zhFCJbD_wL4/w-d-xo.html
I can literally see this track from my house. Generally they don’t run wing supers here but once a year, the regular modified and super modified classes are weekly in the summer.
I was happy as hell when this was uploaded. I've followed ISMA closely for my whole life, and I've never really seen the supers get any kind of widespread attention like this. I've seen people sharing this who have never heard of the supers, along with lifelong fans, promoters, and guys who are still racing them. A lot of those people are hard to please, and I honestly expected most of them to treat the video like it was made for us by agreeing with everything said, and shrugging it off as stuff we all know. That hasn't been the case at all. The reason I'm watching and commenting for a second time is because ISMA appreciated this video enough to post the link at the top of their homepage.
I really hope an on location can happen in the future. Watching the supers run is seriously an experience, and I don't know how else to put it. I'd almost liken it to experiencing a top fuel race in person. The show is always amazing whether they're running on 1/3 mile bullrings like Seekonk, or throwing it into the corners at Thompson at 180 mph. And Oswego definitely makes a pretty killer hot dog.
I'm not a huge short track fan and the super modifieds only make occasional excursions to where I live (Michigan) but to me it's always worth it to go watch them if you have to chance. The speeds they attain on such relatively short tracks are astonishing.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I don't think they do it anymore, but the supermod/sprint car double header at Toledo was always a blast. Nothing but winged monsters from start to finish.
@@Pyro60000 That sounds awesome.
I had the absolute pleasure of owning and racing against some great minds, including Jim Shampine, in the late 70's. Jim was not only a genius designer and driver, he was a true human who helped other owners and drivers. A trip to Oswego is a must!
Was that the BoJack Horseman theme?
i think it was the among us menu music
@@brycemetcalf4007 check the description, we're both right.
i honestly just came into the comments just to see if anyone was thinking the same thing lol
Where?
Where
I’ve watched this video five times and keep coming back for the nostalgia. As a native of neighboring Fulton, New York, this video makes me feel at home. I’ve spent dozens of Friday and Saturday nights at the races in Brewerton, Fulton, and of course, Oswego. My personal preference is watching the dirt modifieds at Fulton Speedway, but I completely understand the allure of the Supers down the road. Looking forward to the S1ap on Location video from CNY one day.
I grew up in Central NY, and LOVED going to Oswego. J. Shampine lived two miles down the road from me at the time, so naturally he was my all time favorite Super driver. And yes, the hot dogs at Oswego are GREEAT!. (Hoffman franks I believe) The covered grandstands, the roar of the engines, the smell of methanol -- WOW! It all makes for a unique and exciting event!!
My Dad and uncle raced Supermods at Oswego in the 60s and 70s. Some truly wild cars were entered in those races.
Same here. My dad and Jim Shampine were good friends. what was your dad's name? My dad was Bill Marsh, car #37
I was a 12 year old in Billerica Massachusetts hanging out in my neighbors garage watching them weld up frames and build bodies for these cars. On the weekend the two Cann Brothers would grab me and pile into their black 69 Chevy pickup with “Cann Brothers Roofing” painted on the side in red letters. We would drive to Oswego and Star speedway and others. I would get home we’ll past midnight trying to stay awake. I am in my 60’s now and remember these days well. Now I manage the airport fleet shop in Denver but that garage and those races were my early start and love of cars. Great video!
I’ve always been a DIRT track race fan at ❤️heart(Orange county fair speedway in Middletown,N.Y., Accord speedway, Syracuse, Lebanon valley...etc, etc.). My grandpa took my up to Oswego in the mid 70’s. He said, “Boy, you wanna see 👀some fast cars👍🏼? 😍Let’s go upstate to Oswego for the weekend. His brother in law up had a farm👨🏻🌾 in nearby Savanna. We went up on a Thursday afternoon and came back on Monday morning. I didn’t want to leave, I loved the farm, the cars, the experience and as I got older, the girls🥰. We would go up several times during the summer until he passed away in 1984, I graduated high school and went into the Marines. I’ve returned a few times since, but not as often as I’d like. I’m sure glad someone recognized how important this track is. Thanks a lot for bringing back the memories of my childhood.
I grew up in Oswego, moved to Greenville, SC and just returned to Oswego. I've seen races at almost every crown jewel event and series and nothing gives me the chills like the start of a feature at Oswego.
Small world. I live in Greenville and I'm trying to go to Oswego 😂
@@S1apShoes did you make it up here in 2021?
10:21. That lonnng loud sound brings back so many memories. Watching those cars fly through that corner and open up the throttle in front of the stands. SO LOUD but so worth it
I was actually watching a super modified race when this notification popped up
The monsters my Grandfather and his friends built and wheeled from the 60s to the 80s. My Dad always traveled to Oswego with my Grandfather and helped crew the car and watch the race. Thank you for covering this.
Thank you Slap, for covering some less known forms of motorsport. I would love to see your take on the history and evolution of sprint car racing in a video someday soon!
Awesome video Slap, absolutely love it. I’m a northern fella, grew up going to every ISMA race no matter where it was. Awesome to see you shouting out these badass machines. Please come to the 2021 Oswego Classic, and bring some friends, you won’t ever see anything like the supers!
Fascinating and informative video as always!
Honestly, I've never heard of this class before. Your video made me know more about the Super Modifieds.
Good job! Keep it up.
Been to Oswego Speedway several times over the last 40 years, amazing racing and wonderful track, great video
This is the kind of content I love.
And honestly, there is so much great racing history in Upstate NY, You could spend a ton of time up here for Slap On Location for some real Gems.
Ah-men northeast has some of the best racing in the country
Two words. Watkins. Glen.
Awesome video! My dad is Joey Payne...well known veteran Supermodified driver. Were off to Oswego for last years Classic make up this weekend!
Me who lives in Oswego NY : (watches video)
Video: (plays)
Me: happily satisfied with the results
Go Joe Gosek 00 joe!!!!
Gosek is one of my favorite drivers. As soon as they put the signs up in town I had to go find his!
Joe Slowsek!
I like Thompson more
@@loganduval3331 got to meet him not too long ago he’s quite the character to be around very funny and enjoyable person.
@@erguy6072 I got to hang out with him a few times as well and even got his signature
Hey the super modifieds are getting the slapshoes treatment! Hell yeah, what a great video man! I saw these cars for the first time ever last year and was absolutely blown away. If you are at all a short track racing fan, Oswego Speedway NEEDS to be on your bucket list. And as an aside, it would be incredible to see these cars in iRacing, finally getting the recognition outside the northeast that they deserve.
I had the chance to see a super mod race at Lancaster Speedway in WNY a couple years ago and they were about the fastest thing I’ve ever seen on a short track.
Born and Raised in oswego ny myself. The consessions are top knotch, the seats are garbage, but the fun is constant. Check them out.
That track is more fancy then other tracks around there.
I’ve seen these cars at Toledo Speedway a few times, they’re incredible!
thank you for talking about dirt modifieds my dad used to race them in the 90s and i have alot of freinds who run them. they are such a fun series that everyone needs to watch
These cars are always the star of the show. When I go too the Thompson World Series every year I ALWAYS look forward to these beasts!
They're unreal at Thompson, man. Going 180 into the turns on a short track is just insane. My best World Series memory was back in 1999 when Ted Christopher raced a super for the first time. He started scratch in a Paul Dunnigan car and won. He didn't jump into a super again until 2010 at Berlin. He started scratch and won the feature again, but driving for Clyde Booth. TC was just a legend like that.
@@brendenpavao2071 absolutely man Ted was one of the best drivers I have ever seen hop into a race car in my life
@@leclercracer3377 I've been meaning to come back and reply again for a few days. I'm grateful that I grew up in a New England racing family. I think I've seen Teddy win in just about everything. Supers, modifieds, SKs, pro stocks, Busch North, TQs in the Providence Civic Center, NEMA at Waterford. Those of us who got to see him race were seriously lucky. I still can't believe we lost him and Stefanik in such similar ways over a short span of time.
I’ve seen the IMSA super mods a couple times at the Waterford speedbowl. Even at a 3/8 mile track, it’s shocking how quick they can be
As a Northeast dirt modified racer, thank you so much for throwing in Super Dirt Week and Gary Balloughs win. The Batmobile had such a massive effect on the development of our cars that can still be seen even 40 years later!
Love the video! Please keep exploring these more obscure forms of motorsport and motorsport history. I've heard of super modifieds but never had a clue what that meant. Great video.
If you have a chance to see super modifieds, take it. I grew up an IndyCar fan and seeing super modifieds is the closest thing to IndyCar racing I've seen on a short track. They are _blazing_ fast.
I can answer the title question with one word: cool.
Edit: Love how my home track at Oswego is getting some love.
Never been to Oswego, but I have heard that it's one of the best short tracks in the country.
@@JohnSmith-mk5jt thompson conn used to be a great track as well but when i went back 15 yrs ago it wasnt worth the trip from NH
Sending Oswego love from Ohio,, near Sandusky..✌🏼
This kind of race car is very clever, crafty, and tricky idea, but a darn good one too. Who da thunk you'd come up with a legendary look like that when you get ideas from World of Outlaws, Indy Car, F1, and Nascar all together. Great video S.S
I need to see one of these around Bristol
THE auto value super sprints ran there a few years ago . it got to the point it was too fast . they were carrying super speedway speeds into the corners .
th-cam.com/video/Eq7czGrinGc/w-d-xo.html here you are. I believe Lichty and Timmy J have time trialed there. Otto Sitterly ran some hot laps at Homestead recently too.
Check out bristol time trials 2011. They 2 ISMA cars, a couple sprint cars and a motorcycle. The ISMA and Sprint car turned about 142 MPH.
Never heard of this specific class before and now Oswego is on my bucket list. Awesome machines, and great video
This is A+! I'm glad to see Super Mods getting some love!
Thank u for including the big blocks and showing syracuse (r.i.p)
1:38 Super Modified looking kinda sus Idk
thank you! I was immediately really concentrated :P
As someone that grew up 10 miles as the crow flies from the Oswego track, I need to give you some important tips.
1) wear ear plugs and ear muffs. When I was a kid I could hear the cars 10 miles away. It gets loud. Very loud! Your hearing will thank me.
2) The hotdogs shown in the video are Coneys. Basically an unsmoked hotdog. I do believe they have another local favorite, Hoffmanns.
3 PLAN AHEAD! Lodging is very limited in Oswego itself, and some weekends are booked a year in advance. (We have a local state college, an annual festival that caused a few race events to change because both events could not be supported, and State Fair times can see an up tick in hotel occupancy. If you are going the camper route, you still need to book well enough in advance. There are some camp grounds in the county and relatively nearby.
4) Bring a fishing pole. You can buy a fishing license at the Walmart, and experience some great fishing. There are many charter boats in the area that can take you out into Lake Ontario, or there are other areas that you can fish at. Follow posted regulations (some places like up in Pulaski (pronounced pull ass sky) only allows fly fishing).
Oh and one addition to your otherwise perfect video… the Oswego Speedway started as a 3/8 mile horse track, then a 3/8 dirt track before going 5/8 mile paved.
I think this means you need to do an episode or two specifically on Dirt Track racing, cars, history, etc. Just my two cents worth.
Another great video. I have watched these cars race on TV for over 40 years and never knew their history.
Bravo!
Love these cars, I remember seeing one as a kid and thinking it was cool it had a 4cyl out the side until I got closer and realized it was a V8. Then it was bad freaking ass
Great video! Totally enjoyed it. My friend Tom Naylor was killed in Super Modifieds back in 1992. Too bad he couldn't see the latest iteration of this AWESOME motorsport. But I know he died doing exactly what he loved.
9:00 To be fair, you can go to any local asphalt oval track in the country on a Friday night and find late models that would smoke a cup car. Cup cars aren't even close to the fastest oval cars.
WOW! I had forgotten about how blazingly fast the Super Modifieds were. Ive only seen them live a couple times and I remember a few of them in people's yards between races. I didn't realize they were still active. Thanks for the video reminder.
1:27 That looks like Mr Cleetus McFarland and friend's newly acquired track
That's it. The freedom factory. Literally saw it and came to the comments lol.
@@coreypierson1519 same bro
It certainly is. The video was obviously taken before he took ownership of it.
Wow my cousin Jimmy drove these for years at Oswego! He's retired now, after a pretty serious crash a few years back, but I believe he still co-owns his old car's new team. Been visiting family there my whole life, I never expected Oswego, and the Super Modified's, to make it to a channel like S1apSh0es!
Literally smiling ear to ear over this video. I was lucky enough to work as media at the last few Syracuse Mile races, The Classic Weekend and the first year of Super DIRT Week at Oswego. I love the video and you got a lot of information into a short timeframe. A S1AP on Location is 1000% in order... Might I suggest next year you take off a couple weeks from the end of september to the beginning of October and hit both the Classic and SDW up. You will NOT be disappointed... Also, for those wondering just how fast a Super Modified is, the track record at Oswego Speedway, a 5/8ths mile FLAT oval is 15.800 seconds. That's the same time cup cars run around Martinsville. A half-mile flat oval. Here's a couple video links for anyone interested in diving deeper...
2016 Track Record (15.802)- Mike Lichty: th-cam.com/video/unH1ztiu8S8/w-d-xo.html
IMRRC: A History of The Supermodified: th-cam.com/video/4uastrgon7M/w-d-xo.html
I live in Oswego. Every summer night you can hear the races. The sound goes across lake Ontario and you can hear them miles away. Every year Super Dirt Week leaves the city caked in dust.
Hey Slap I dare you to do a video on the more "unusual" types of dirt track racing. Like lawn mower racing for example. Both the US and UK have their own leagues and the UK have a 12 hour long event, racing lawnmowers!
Don't forget about "skid plate" racing where front wheel drive cars are usefd with flat plates welded to the the rims on the rear. Crazy.
Rototiller drag races. Sometimes literally on the drag part. Saw one of those events on the "On the Edge" show on Speed TV. One guy ran an unlimited class tiller while his wife competed in the stock class. She decided to try his tiller for a run. She was able to windmill her short legs fast enough to stay up about half the length of the track then lost her footing. She didn't let go! The tiller dragged her across the finish line. Fortunately the track was soft dirt so no injuries.
Another couple of oddball racing events involve snowmobiles, but no snow. One bunch runs them on grass, the other on water.
Snowmobiles on water started out years ago up in the Northeast somewhere. They'd cut a good sized rectangle through the ice on a frozen lake and I'd assume carved a ramp on both ends down below water level. Mechanical prep was removing lights and other non-essential parts. Hitting the right speed and maintaining balance to keep the skis on plane and the stock track's paddles pushing enough water to skim across a few feet of open water didn't happen too often so many waterlogged snowmobiles had to be recovered. Over the years people have come up with special skis and tracks and the engine power and speed (of machines intended for use on snow) has gone up a lot since someone first though about seeing if he could skim across a bit of water.
Dunno about the water racers but the grass guys have gone the way so many fun racing has. Rules. A crapton of RULES. www.isrracing.org/tempPDF/Grass%20Drag%20Racing.pdf
I love watching your videos and just encountering the most off the wall selection of music, its great.
You better come to oswego this place is great in every way possible
I'm not big fan of motorsports and I've always wondered what these cars are. This explained a lot. Thank you.
1:37 there is 1 super modified among us.
Well Slap, Thank you for the video. In the 60"s my father in law who then resided in Toronto , used to hit Flamboro, Pine Crest and Oswego. I was introduced to Oswego in 1974, drove from Montreal, Canada every weekend for many years to catch the races at the Steel Palace. The Pine was the man on the top of the heap, Oswego jaded him by banning his rear engine car, he took some time off to check out other forms of racing, came back and kicked but! Oswego has always been the coolest and fastest short track on earth. Thank you :)
Next video:”what exactly is a super duper modified?”
Todd Gibson is a GENIUS! I’ve had the pleasure of sitting with the man a couple times in the past two years and asking him question after question. He’s such a kind soul and so is his family...who continued his racing legacy.
I love watching the ismas at star speedway and lee speedway
lol finding a lot of 603 in these comments
@@wizard3z868 Lots of Great shows. Bentley Warren always showed up the the Star Classic
So many distinct memories when the ISMA tour showed up at my local tracks. Seeing contrails come off of the wings on humid nights at a 3/8ths mile track. Watching a poorly setup super picking up the left rear tire off the ground on entry to turn one. Seeing the late Ted Christopher using the tiny push bumpers as a chrome horn before having a series regular pull up along side under caution and using a series of hand gestures to say "we don't race like that in these cars!". It's always a spectacle watching them run.
damn man, i'ma miss the modified madness NY is known for. but i have plans on going to nevada so it all works out in the end.
just glad upstate new york is getting limelight still.
Hey, I live in Nevada
I cant tell you how happy I am to see this video my grandfather raced supermodifieds in Oswego in the heyday and my cousins continue to do so... looking at this video reminds me of the photos on my grandfathers shop walls
My first thought: The unholy offspring of a Modified and a Sprint car.
That is exactly what those cars are but with a little bit of Indy Car stuff thrown in for safety/fun.
Exactly, sprint cars for asphalt.
@@souocara38able Actually there is a type of sprint car they run only on paved tracks, often racing on the same ones the few different regions of Modified series race. I forget but these are bigger then the cars that race on dirt and have a brake peddle. on some tracks they have not just a top spoiler but a hood one as well due to needing them to stay on some tracks.
@@caseysmith544
Silver crown cars?
@@souocara38able Probably something like that, the other was some kind of super Sprint cars that I saw racing on TV on paved surfaces a few years ago.
Love your content bro. Keep it up 👍🏼
"The super modified is an abomination to all that is holy in car construction". Everyone was thinking it but someone finally said it. LMAO, my mans called it a "godless set of circumstances" I'm crying.
I was fortunate to experience these great machines as they developed. Being from Mansfield, Ohio there was a great dirt track that always saw signs of greatness, but never lasted for any length of time. To the North was Sandusky Speedway and a few other asphalt tracks. Though the supers started in N.Y. they ran quite often at Sandusky and yes the dirt of Mansfield as well. On another note, I am surprised you did not mention the driver of the radical super with three wheels on one side. None other than Tim Richmond from Ashland, Ohio who actually drove his first racecar (sprint) on a little dirt track in Lakeville, Ohio. Enjoy your videos as they bring back memories...
man when you said play offs were B.S. at the 2021 prediction schedule video, I thought well play offs look awesome to me, but now looking at kevin harvick dominant 9 wins in his season coming to an end because he didn't punch his ticket while he was in first place in the points, I can understand why play offs are B.S. they weren't B.S. since 2004 to 2013, but now they kind of are, took me a while to understand why there B.S. wonder how I became blind of all of this, Because Nascar Fucked Kevin Havick 2020 career like A holes.
He choked. Plain and simple. He wasn't there when it mattered, and that cost him the Championship. That doesn't have anything to do with Nascar, that has to do with him
@beast I was replying to Sparity yeah
Jeff Gordon would have at least 2 more championships if it wasn't for the stupid playoffs.
But the dumbass drug addict/drunk france jr. jr. in charge got mad because Matt Kenseth won a championship and only won one race. And prior to that other driver's had won the Championship weeks before the season was over.
Nah. Finished 2nd at Kansas then fucked up at Texas and Martinsville. Not to mention he didn't gain a ton of stage points throughout the playoffs.
This super modified series is exactly what brought me into racing. One of the first races I went to came to my local track in 2010 and it came down to the wire. It was an awesome race and I’ve been a racing fan ever since
They're the loudest and baddest cars I've ever had the privilege of watching.
Excellent video S1ap! You have captured the essence of super modified racing. Once again, GREAT JOB!
I would love to see the Winged Supers run at Indianapolis. What Indy cars would be if the rear engines cars hadn't shown speed.
That's exactly right. I've done it in a simulator called Assetto Corsa. They have a winged supermodified and their version of one does around 190mph but you never have to lift. Not quite as fast as a modern IndyCar, but a hell of a lot quicker than a cup car around that place...
You give a hillbilly a wrench and a case of Miller and he'll build you a goddamn fighter jet!!!😄
By the way, unlike IMCA, ISMA is actually pronounced the way that it's spelled.
Love the supers. Those were bad ass machines. We raced at Owego (no s) for many years and once or twice a year these bad boys would come down and put on a show. Their times around the Owego track were blistering and even more so when compared to the modifieds and street stocks we normally saw. Loved seeing them. Thanks for the videos.
Fell in love with them the first time I saw them on TH-cam, and as I kept digging their history just became more and more intriguing. Had to give them their day in the sun.
Oswego is the loudest speedway I've been too. They also have the best hotdogs. Just saying
The exact 2 reasons why I'm trying to go there
Possibly the loudest motorsport venue which isn't a top fuel drag strip.
WOW thank you
S1apSh0es what a great video i remember friends telling me about these years ago but "pre you tube era" and being former V8 Supercar builder here in Australia i can really appreciate the work and thought behind each and every car ! Thank you again for explaining the roots of this class of racing wish we had it here in OZ !
"3 wheels on the right of the car and 1 on the left; They said you had to have 4 wheels, but they never did say where those had to be located"
*LOOOOOOOOL*
Technically, the rulebook does now. Car has to have four wheels "in the usual locations." I believe Tim Richmond was the one with the balls to test that car.
I love these things, I see the small blocks weekly up here by my track, and when the big blocks come up for the classic it's big