Ingram M10 & M11 SMGs: The Originals from Powder Springs
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- After the commercial failure of Gordon Ingram’s M6 submachine gun in the early 50s, we would radically change the layout of his designs. Instead of a Thompson lookalike Ingram’s M10 (the M7, M8, and M9 doing experimental prototypes only) would be a boxy and compact affair with a Czech-style telescoping bolt. It found little interest until a meeting between Gordon Ingram and Mitch WerBell resulted in WerBell demonstrating it to excited military audiences in Vietnam in 1969.
WebBell was an ex-OSS man who had started a company called Sionics, selling suppressors to the US military. He thought the combination of Ingrams submachine gun and his suppressor would be a fantastic package, and he found plenty of interest in special operations personnel in Vietnam. He would create the Military Armament Corporation based at his farm in Powder Springs, GA and entice Ingram to join as his chief engineer. The result would be the .45ACP M10, a 9mm version of the M10 (made for use with subsonic 9mm ammunition), and a scaled-down .380 ACP M11 submachine gun.
MAC would have a short life, with all its assets sold at a bankruptcy auction in April 1976 - but it had plenty of time to create what would become an iconic gun - the Big MAC. Many imitations and copies would follow, but Powder Springs was the home of true original Ingram M10 and M11 submachine guns!
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Strange on how aesthetic this rapid firing rectangle attached to other rectangles is.
Well put
It is the most aesthetically pleasing firearm in existence as far as I’m concerned.
Its like a minimalist designed gun. Its just so clean and no-nonsense looking.
Looks like that British dudes homemade design
You mean luty?
When you’re waiting for Bruce Willis to come home, don’t leave it on the kitchen counter while you use the bathroom.
It was his drug addiction that got him killed. Heroin makes you constipated that's why he was always "taking a shit" he decided butch had bugged out so he set down his gun and tried to empty his bowels....
@@IMN602 hmmm
@@IMN602 i'm pretty sure he got actually hit by those bullets
Wasn't it Marsellus gun that he left when he went to get food?
I felt bad for him but he would've died anyway with his addiction and line of work. Seems fitting that his addiction did get him killed by the gun he carried in his line of work.
16:30 Sometimes, military guys just come up with the best one-liners. There was a marine commander in Korea, who when completely surrounded apparently said; "We've been searching for the enemy for some time. They're now in front of us, behind us, to our left, and to our right. They can't get away now."
Great quotes thanks for the link
now i know who inspired the tf2 soldier
As the son of a Marine, I've been recounted this story many times.
"Sir, we're surrounded!"
"Excellent. Now we can fire in every direction."
Reminds me of ferdinand foch " my centre is giving way my right is in retreat situation excellent i will attack"
I got seven mac-11's, about eight thirty-eights, nine nines and ten mac-tens
You can start a cartel in Columbia with that arsenal.
the shits never ends
Biggie was the illest
Dropping shit like a pidgeon
i hope you listening
smacking babies at there christening.
@@phoenix_radio Neil, eduecate you're self. This song is by Thomas the Dank Engine. Not some "Biggie". Jesus, boomers these days don't even know basic stuff...
Those suppressors always baffle me
You! I like you.
I see what you did there.....😏
That joke just WIPES me out.
Keep em coming I'd hate to " suppress " anyone's creativity....😉
You silenced me.
“Good for a gunfight in a phone booth and not much else”
Ha, I love Falling Down. But nah, it has its uses.
Whats Lorne Armstrong doing here?
Wtf Lorne Armstrong
Well, they're pretty great for any sort of encounter where you want to conceal as much firepower as possible. In a similar way to how gangsters used them for drive-bys, they're incredible in the hands of people like bodyguards, such as the Secret Service, who can reasonably conceal them under their suits and be ready for a fight. Guns like the MP9/Russian PP-2000 fulfill this role a bit better, but the MAC10 and the Micro-Uzi are the predecessors of those.
Томас Андерсон yeah if you have like 5 people strap with these under suits it will get the job done😂😂😂
Best not to leave one of these on the kitchen counter when you are taking a crap
Yea you may get blasted
Vincent Vega knows what you’re talking about
"Bullet hose" is a dead-on accurate assessment. I have a 10 and an 11, and they're fine firearms for as crudely as they were manufactured. Very sturdy and reliable.
What he didn't tell us, and what is very east to miss about these SMGs, is that the cocking knob is also a safety feature. If you rotate it 90 degrees, to where you can't see the sights through the two grooves cut in it, the bolt can not be drawn to the rear position.
All in all, great little guns. But you'll burn through a LOT of ammo.
Hmm.. 🤔. I didn't know that 😉🤪
Ahh yes the other safety…
Where’s the first at can’t put my finger on it
I didn't know that little fact, thank you!!
@@Shitbird3249the little switch on the front right side.
I agree I have a Mac-11 and it has never let me down
How Ingram got a double stack single feed grease gun magazine to cycle over 1000 rounds per minute is a mystery to me.
I just double checked - the 9mm variant was 1200rpm and higher (up to 1500).
Is there a problem?
I want to see that ! It’s in theory only ! You’d melt the barrel for one. Also you’d have to have a very long mag that’d actually work !
Think of it like this. You need one target DEAD, no matter what, including your whole team wiped, and just you. This gun would gaurentee SOMETHING hits the target, in a very, VERY short amount of time. Thats why. If your reloading when using this gun, your likely already dead. Perfect for very spall spaces where plenty of stuffs around for a longer mag to get stuck on (the whole gunfight in a phone booth thing). THis is for when your in the room with the target, or potentially could be in the room.
@mgabrysSF Most run about 1400 rpm- 1380-1420 is about the norm for 115 grain 9×19 sjhp's. Damn nasty little bastard's 😕! Aim between the knees and the last couple will come out, in the back of the throat & forehead. The last 10 will be all over the place, over the head. Alot came out with Cobray can's.
At least it ended up as an iconic B-movie, FPS game and Gangsta-rap gun
Don't forget Lara Croft!
@@edi9892 Nice. Yours is the first comment I have seen to mention Lara's "Uzis".
Never forget CSS and Left 4 dead 2
@@edi9892 Was looking for a mention of Lara! Definitely rocking a set of M11's.
@@kais2345 from the size and rate of fire I'd say they were Mac 10.
This guns are infamous here in Colombia. The perfect guns for Pablo Escobar's sicarios: 2 young assasins from the poorest Medellin neighborhoods, no helmets, fast Yamaha 2 stroke enduro bikes, a MAC or MAC clone in any caliber, and you have a perfect killing machines. In 1984, Justice Minister Rodrigo Lara Bonilla was killed in that way. in 1989, presidential candidate Carlos Galán was killed in a political rally, a sicario manages to go under the stage when he was giving a speech, the wood floor was no match for the spray of bullets underneath, and his bulletproof vest was usless when you have bullets entering in your crotch.
I never realized the hitman fired from underneath the stage I always assumed he just got in front of him and opened fire
Yeah that was on Narcos on Netflix. But didn’t know they actually shot him from below the stage.
@@colombianguy8194 Yeah the show was based on real events and it was crazy how shit hit the fan there. Especially after Escobar blowing up that plane. But didn’t know the real monitory of justice name thanks for sharing
@@colombianguy8194 And to also make things more interesting is that I live in Marietta Georgia and had no idea that the Mac 10/11 was Invented in Powder Springs then later manufactured in my home town lol
People: Do we have to be surprised that the gun and the use of a biker assassin was introduced to Escobar and the Cartel by an ex Mossad???
In the mid 1980's these were VERY popular, especially here in Miami, Florida. I had my own FFL at the time and I would buy semi-auto (closed bolt) MAC-10's by the case. Even though this version was semi-auto only, it was basically the same firearm minus the retractable shoulder stock and of course, no full auto select-fire (semi-auto and SAFE selectable only). People didn't seem to care though and I sold loads of them (legally). Miami Vice was in production back then and the show popularized the MAC-10 like crazy. My (dealer) cost on them was $299.99 and I sold them for $400 all day long. They also made a fake suppressor which cost an additional $29.99. It was actually a real suppressor minus the internal baffles, and the removable end cap was welded in place. Most people wanted to also buy the faux suppressor for two reasons. One, it gave the weapon a nicer/cooler appearance, and two, as indicated in the video, it made firing the MAC-10 much easier, not to mention safer, because the suppressor could be used as a forend/grip. Firing it semi-auto didn't generate the heat the full-auto version does so people always wanted to include the faux suppressor.
In the mid 80's all the MAC-10's I bought were stamped as having been made in Stephenville, Texas and did NOT have the Cobray logo. IMHO, the semi-auto MAC-10 wasn't very much fun to shoot but lots of people would practice firing them at their side at the hip line by holding the weapon by the grip and looping their thumb through the belt loop of the pants to secure and make the weapon as stationary as possible. With some practice, one could employ the "bump-fire" method to fire the MAC-10. Most semi-auto MAC-10's were merely bought for show anyway. Most people fired them once (if ever) and would attach the faux suppressor and hang them on the wall in their man cave for people to look at (yes, some people actually did that back then). I had a 9mm and .45 acp pair for years until I got tired of looking at them and sold them off a few years ago. The semi-auto versions were great to look at but were rather boring to shoot. Today if you felt the need to strap yourself with a high capacity 9mm pistol you'd be better off buying a Glock 17 (or equivalent) with a 33 round extended magazine or a drum or tandem drum magazine. You would have a far better shooting experience and you'd have a decent pistol, too.
I bought a second-hand Cobray M11 in the late 90s because ... well looks cool. Worst gun I ever owned. Was a civilian semi-auto only, in 9mm para. You couldnt hit a barn door from 10 yards with it. Worst ergonomics, worst sights, sharp edge trigger guard, etc. But the worst was that every so often the bullets went sideways through the paper targets, and I am talking like 10-15 yards away. Not sure what made those bullets tumble, but I sold it after a few months anyway.
thought for a second you were talking about miami antartica :P
Green refrigerator, did you buy your MAC10s from a company named DSI ( Defense Systems International) out of Marietta, Ga?
Just asking because I worked there part time for & with Perry ( owner), my full time job I worked for Mitchell iv & Geoffrey ( the generals sons) at Brigade Quartermasters for several years.
And you bet ya, that gun is hard to shoot, aim, hit the target or hold any length of time.
DSI would have the MACs drop shipped to our customers out of Stephenville, Tx.
Thanks for writing such a good, detailed anecdote about your experience with it.
@@patrickrossi75 You forgot "trigger slap" with the semis. What an awful experience those were to shoot.
poor Gordon Ingram
, it is always sad when a guy is thrown out of his own company.
I'm not so sure about "poor". By the sound of it, he may have slightly misrepresented the situation while luring financiers. Their subsequent animosity is understandable.
I have no pity for them, if you make your company publicly traded and sell more than 50-55% of the shares... it's your own fault not keeping an absolute controlling interest in the company that even a hostile takeover cant be done. They see $$$$$$$ up the wazoo and get greedy, and then there is Hubris... "No way would anyone remove me, I started this company, I have the vison that made it great!"... except greedy shareholders don't always share the same vision and want all the money right now vision and quality be dammed.
It's not sad, it is pathetic.
@@JETWTF good point, I did not see it this way. But as Ian and many others said, gun maker and entrepreneurs are usually quite short on the money. I guess nobody easily gives away shares, but it is better than going bankrupt.
I also think that some investors see the potential and are greedy and want full shares or nothing.
F popcap
what about weinstein company lol
Man, seeing how bulky an ingram/MAC-10 is in real life makes me see how real CS:GO's description of a 'box that bullets come out of' is.
I've been getting some pretty decent headshots with the MAC. Rushing AWPers is the easiest way since they can't react fast enough to the guns high rate of fire. They get stunned. Its a box of bullets and gets the job done!
Samarai: Maybe bulky, but remember this is 1970s and no real competing gun available for some good more years before the UZI appears.
I see that TH-cam forced Ian to blur out a part of this video where he shows how to "modify a firearm" which is showing how he... puts the suppressor onto the gun?
Couldn't show him "screwing" it
I remember that the video for Sigue Sigue Sputnik's "Love Missile F-111" used to be censored on TH-cam for exactly the same reason - there's a short clip of one of the members of the band screwing a suppressor onto an M10 or M11 in the back of a car. I think it was a homage to a scene from the original Assault on Precinct 13.
Military Arms Corporation is such an inventive name for a weapons manufacturer. Like naming a restaurant chain Food Eating Location. But still, love the M11 simplicity.
I should name a food truck that
I hear the SAS used them when in plain clothes in N.Ireland. They called them 'glovebox guns'. The idea being that if their car was ambushed or caught at a roadblock they could quickly get it out of the glove box and spray in the enemies' direction to suppress them whilst making their get away.
I mean nothing makes someone wanna NOT approach your care like suddenly having 1000+ rounds spat at them. Its like charging someone with a handheld GAU-8
So that’s why they’re in R6S
Michael Srite - I agree. In WW2 Germany actually gave them freedom. The English have NO right to rule over Ireland 🇮🇪.
Michael Srite Northern Ireland is British soil. The British Army needs no invitation in NI
@@peterv1318 They have all the right that any country has to rule a patch of land--they took it (with longbow, pike, & sword). Wake up and smell the history, boy.
Nothing like flying over San Andreas in your jetpack, wielding two of those 9mm badboys.
Hellz yea! You bought the memories rushing back, damn, the nosta feels! Miss that game.
@White Working Class Pride were called micro uzi but looked a lot like mac 10
@White Working Class Pride I did and even the GTA wikia states the same
@White Working Class Pride I think in vice City it was more box shaped like the mac 10 but yeah it's a gay argument
type *professionalkiller*
*KRATATAT*
I'm here before all the Warzone boys start showing up.
The way he describes it is exactly how it is in game... you have to be like 2 feet in front of someone lol
@Angel Valdez forreal bruv it's a laser
Love it when people call warzone realistic but some how the Mac 10 is the best gun in the game
@@firstnamelastname.7749 i mean you can survive 3 shotgun shots in this game and still over power someone with a pistol
@@sethleoric2598 warzone fanboys love to call mw and warzone realistic for some reason
Incidentally, the weapon Snake Plissken uses in Escape From NY is a "Mac" 10 with a SIONICS two-stage suppressor chambered in .45 ACP.
With a scope mounted on top lol
Remember that “F*ck you looking at, n*qqa!” guy from Boyz n Tha Hood?
Worked for him too 😂
Remember when The Duke of New York took his gun.
>stock does a great job of falling off your shoulder
>stock is too short
>stock is too low for people
>weapon is inaccurate
Yeah sounds like a genuine Cobray weapon to me boys
Aye!
My cobray is pretty awesome
@@zacharytremblay9481 aren't you special
bust into a room dual wielding these fuckers forearm-hip style, it's probably gonna get the job done regardless.
It’s for people with trex arms
I was being shown a small private gun collection of almost all shotguns and hunting rifles when the owner suddenly pulls out a Mac 10. I was not expecting it.
Every time a new gun comes to Call of Duty, the forgotten weapon's video of it pops up in my recommended.
Same man
I fall asleep every night to these videos. Soothing voice combined with info i never needed about guns. Perfect
When I look at that MAC-10 on the right, I can't help but think that Ian should've worn an eye-patch for this video...
....Call him Snake
president of what?
The name's Plissken!
@Max William Lauf i get that a lot
A cyborg Ninja!?!.... _Colonel what the hell is going on!_
The perfect weapon to “escape from New York”
I had to scroll waaay too far for a Snake Plissken comment. Barbaric times indeed
Curiosity: in the movie in italian they translated Snake to "iena" (means hyena but is proununced differently, like jεna). So here in italy his name is Hyena Plissken, and I think it is a little more badass name
@@francescoc.718 Just a little bit
@@francescoc.718 "Plissken" comes from the Iroquois word for "snake", btw
@@ianfinrir8724 that means his Italian name is Hyena Snake. That's a snake I'd rather not think about being a real snake. Could you guys imagine a giant friggin snake that eats Hyenas? What if it's venomous...
"The final gunshot was an exclamation mark to everything that had lead up to this point. I released my finger from the trigger...and then it was over."
No Payne, no gain.
Jamie lee Curtis dropping it down the stairs in true lies
If Ian ever taught a history class I would love to be a part of it, this dude is a walking encyclopedia
Indeed it is a most interesting history. 7/23/2020 SRC
great to see them together
@Jacob Kim sweet home alabama
of course he's not mentioning the MAC-11/9...which is a bit of a hybrid of the two...had better balance and is one of my favorites....
The 10 weighs as much as an AK
Ahhh the American Uzi always a favourite with the OG's.
Mac & Uzi are different
@@Tomb-G19 sigh...
Whoosh
@@Tomb-G19 Fuck's sake.
@@Tomb-G19 special guy
@@GusFogle You reckon...
It makes me sooooooo mad when people call it an "Uzi"
Yeah the UZI, Micro UZI and Mini UZI have a completely different design and feed system.
Yeah I hate that
@@alterego9791 you must admit thou for non gun people it's easy to mistake the two especially if you only know about the uzi also if you squint real hard they do have the same shape and usually the same color
Is uzi better or the mac10? 🐥
Im not even a gun person but it does annoy me when that happens
I own Mitch Warbells Army duffel bag. Bought it after he passed away. His home was just down the road from me. Neat stone and concrete home.
I remember going to gun shows, in the late '70s & early '80s, and seeing Mac10 being sold to civilians. The guns were sold in semi-auto mode only, but heard talk saying they could fairly easily be converted to full-auto. When that talk got loud enough, the authorities step in, and the Mac10 disappear from the civilian market.
The open bolt models are few and hard to find.
Full autos were legal to civilians in lates 70s early 80s
Uhhh. The full auto weapon ban I'm fairly certain was 1986. So why would it have been illegal? Or is it earlier? I'm fairly sure I keep hearing '86
Okay yea it's 1986
@@Sp00kq It was legal to get new ones transferred back then, but you still had to go through the whole application/tax stamp process. ATF really didn't like the possibility that people could skip that.
*Max Payne would like to know your location.*
Ahhhhh....yes dual wielding these while shooting mobsters in New Jersey
@@justineallandevelos6491 While diving in bullet time!
@@kyousey or sliding a cart while shooting these during bullet time!
He lives in the lawless oiland that is Texas, just like TFBTV, Iraqveteran88, and other gun channels
Max dearest of all my friends
Many a zombie's legs have I decimated with this gun.
@@YusSuh Re2 Claire playthrough.
@@aayushdas19 hell yeah bro
Not surprised got recommended this after the broken Mac 10 in warzone just got released
All you had to do was follow the damn train, CJ!
I had the pleasure of being able to fire a MAC 10 with an Ingram silencer pretty much whenever we went shooting.The silencer, still had an intact insulator sleeve.
Due to the rate of fire you really had to bare down on it,although the silencer did make it easier.
If you did your part it would produce some fairly decent groups.
It was always fun to watch somebody dumping a mag as there would be a cascade of brass casings arching through the air.Always a blast.
Just an fyi, it's suppressor.
@@daedalus6433 Youre kidding,right? We called them "silencers", long before you could say the word.The guy who invented the silencer, patented it as "a silencer"...spare me the hipster intergeek techo babble.
@@BrennerBay Silencer is very much an antiquated and redundant word, since no gun ever gets silenced by a suppressor. The closest you can get is an AS Val or VSS Vintorez with subsonic 9x39mm rounds. Spare me the "muh old word" babble.
@@daedalus6433 You sound like a typical basement virgin who learned everything he knows on the internet.Thanks for demonstrating.
@@BrennerBay Oh wow, you go ahead and double-dip into the ad hominems when your claims get questioned. How typical.
In 1992, I purchased a Cobray M10 in .45 ACP just for fun. I paid around $350 for it. I put about 150-200 rounds through it and put it back in the original box. I forgot about it until 2007 and sold it for $1,700. I regret the sale, but needed the money. Oh well, I look at it as a great investment. Thank you for the info and entertaining video post. Best of luck to you and your family 🍀❤️
My father bought one of the M10s with the suppressor when they had a fire sale back in the day. Actually, I think he may have bought a couple for friends in law enforcement. We used to take it out to the range and man, was it an attention getter! And it was indeed a very heavy gun. Super unwieldy without the suppressor on it.
I hope he still has it ? If not I bet he regrets getting rid of it
@@joshuapace5129 He sold it a long time ago before he passed away.
@@TheGeorgiaRover sorry to hear would of been good to have
I owned an M10 45 an M10 9 and an M11 .380 and regret selling them everyday ! Great fun !
It is nearly always a mistake to sell a firearm (at least for me)
@@RalphReagan I 100% agree !
Yea, but I had a tanfoglio that I do not regret getting rid of. They had them built so that the bullet would get caught going into the chamber. Almost, like a slide lock. I think it was to make sure that if an Italian officer was going to shoot it was made to make sure he was serious. Anyway, great trigger, sites an all but not upset about it going away.
@@stephenb2276 I owned a couple of those and had no issues ,TZ 75 right?
@@toddflowers8052 A clone I believe. It was the Witness P.S.
Back in the early 2000s (wow, hard to believe we can say that already ... where does time go?), I had an NFA dealer friend and he wound up with a suppressed M10 in .45 and one in 9x19 without a can. That was back in my SWAT days and I was regularly shooting a lot of various SMGs and automatic carbines like M4s and even an HK 53 (ah, now THERE's a cool gun to cover, though not exactly "Forgotten," I suppose). So, anyway, there I was all trained up and "experienced" and dude hands me the 9x19 M10 and tells me to do a full mag dump in a 55 gallon drum about ten steps away. Pffft, no problem. Okay ... I won't say the drum was safe, but only about 1/3 of the rounds hit it, LOL. Staying away from full mag dumps, however, it wasn't all that bad, but with that cyclic rate a "quick burst" was often more rounds than you intended. For their purpose, though, they were a cool design. Oh, the suppressed .45 version I shot was a lot more accurate than I thought it would be. Not a target piece by any means but quite capable (I did not opt for the full mag dump, LOL). The can made it hearing safe and I could hear the bullets tear through the plywood target backing quite clearly from 15 yards or so. Very interesting bit of history and honestly fun little guns.
It strikes me as one of the few SMGs were a two- or three-round burst would make more sense than full-auto.
If your intention was a quick burst with the least waste of ammo, you could've just tried the semi fire mode. Otherwise, dump the mag, best second of your shooting life, I imagine.
@Jay Arre it depends more on the weapon than the cartridge for accuracy/precision. Sure the round makes a difference but thats for longer range shooting like past 200-300m. Also .45acp has more recoil than 9mm which could make follow up shots harder.
CeltKnight
I really hope you see this.
I noticed your icon and I think it is a comic of Sam Vimes.
I am a huge Pterry fan and always find myself getting very happy when two of my favorite interests collide, weapons and Discworld.
BTW, I was in ST7, been out longer than I was in and probably should grow up but he is still one of my favorite authors. Much respect for your time as a peace officer.
Didnt realize these came from right down the road from me. One of my favorites in the black ops days
That wellber guy must be reeeealy cool with this gun
When I was a kid I wanted one of these so badly. Now that I'm an adult, I still want one of these so badly.
Shoot the gun in full auto? It's gonna be fun
Only if he does it one handed. :P
...while holing it sideways... and leaning out of a car.
Too bad us mere mortals cannot own or shoot such things.
@@grahamlopez6202 yeah and next it will be "you can still buy bullets you just have to pay the tax of 20 dollars per round"! I dont count that. That makes it no longer a right and the artificial cost on these things is ludicrous.
Buy bullet... oh! You mean reloading supplies! I can see how you got the two confused.
In all seriousness, if you REALLY want a full auto one, and aren't gonna do something bad, make one and dont get caught. It's an unjust law, therefore can be justly broken, and often is
@@grahamlopez6202 yes cartridge vs bullet thanks Mr Allec.
I dont have the machine tool knowledge to do that and wouldnt do it anyway. Probably not worth the risk.
My first SMG in 1983 as a CL3 dealer.Never sold it,ended up keeping it all these years..45 cal Powder Springs gun.Never a malfunction using modified M3 mags.Just shot it in my front yard after a long time.Great fun!
This is one of those strangely iconic guns that people just kind of... love.
I have one of the Ducktown, TN. Cobray semi versions, and friends love to shoot it. People at the local ranges stop and look at it.. They suck to shoot, but there's something inherently cool about them.
I've read some other comments on here about accuracy. I've never had any issues with mine. It has an old Beamshot laser on it, and years ago (I haven't shot it in quite some time) you could shoot smiley faces on targets at 10, 15, 20+ yards.
The "Trigger slap" of the semis is horrible. It has a small piece of rubber hose on the trigger to cushion it. For those unaware, when the design changed from full auto (Open bolt design) to semi-auto-only (closed bolt design) The modified bolt design caused the trigger to "slap back" every time the bolt cycled. It makes for a horrible and painful shooting experience. And yet, friends still love shooting this thing.
The Ingram.
A gun that was used by Snake.
A gun that was used by Max Payne.
A gun that is overall sexy and badass which I will never ever be able to obtain.
But still awesome gun.
I've seen them for 500 bucks at pawn shops, first one came with a case, 3 mags, and the supressor which is illegal AF. A full auto one is about 6 grand on gunbroker
If you say so, to me it sounds like an abortive mistake. He lost me at open bolt
Most submachiene guns are open bolt
@@grahamlopez6202 yeah but I'm a rifleman personally, really like weapons that won't accidentally blow off my fingers
Why do you think an open bolt weapon will blow off your fingers by accident?
I swear I've heard the "skip an M number assuming the military is going to use it" thing before.
Yeah, pretty sure it was mentioned in another Forgotten Weapons video(not necessarily on Ingrams). Seems redundant, though, wouldn't the military just assign it the next M number regardless?
MP5?
Ingram Model 6 video
@@Blech319 Naw, the "MP" in MP5 stands for Maschinenpistole
I fired all three models in the late 70's and perhaps the early 80's.
The first was the M11 without the suppressor. It was the first fully auto gun I ever fired and I was totally astounded at the rate of fire.
I later shot the .45 and 9mm at a gun range (Red Bull?) down the street from Warbell's compound, which allowed you to fire fully automatic weapons.
If my memory is correct, the owner of the range was somehow involved with Warbell's Soldier of Fortune training facility.
As noted in another earlier post, the difference between being in Powder Springs, GA and Marietta, GA can literally be from one side of the street to the other, and to my knowledge the factory was always on Warbell's farm.
In the late 70's early 80's I was a submarine in the Royal Navy, often working with the SBS. I was responsible for the torpedo compartment where they lived while on board, so spent a lot of time with them. At that time they were equipped with the MAC 11 (I think) though they never told me what they thought of them.
At the time a part of my job was responsibility for the boats boarding party weapons which were Sterling smg's. The only time they were used was when new trainees were given an introduction to them which included firing them at floating targets (obviously when we were on the surface), I demonstrated, firing one mag, and then they were each issued with one mag and I supervised them shooting. I always loaded an extra one so I could have another go. I remember passing long night watches stripping and cleaning them. Happy days.
Thank for your service David 🇬🇧🇬🇧
So the question is : did you invoke your inner SOG, collapse the stock, and use the front of the sling as a foregrip to clear some rooms before filming?
Well I dont see no camo facepaint on him so probably not
Still see this at Singapore's Changi airport occasionally. Some paramilitary security peeps carry it, in the smaller, .380 version.
Who? Used to work at Changi airport for a bit, and I've never seen anybody carry this. Its either the AETOS folks with revolvers, or police/Army patrolling with MP5s and SAR21s. Tried googling but can't find any information about people carrying this here :(
@@taerriermon Not the Aetos for sure, in military fatigues. Saw two guys a year ago, one with a bullpup (thought Steyr AUG at first but more likely the indigenous SG design) and another one with a very tiny suppressed SMG, holstered, like a sidearm. Can't think of anything else like this.
@@5anjuro using suppressed smgs by security is s2pid.
Gotta point out Werbell lead a badass life, from the OSS, to making suppressors, to being a pmc and having assassinations attempts on his life
DEFINITE contender for "Most Interesting American". Like, he doesn't have the modern cultural impact of someone like Colonel Harlan Sanders (The KFC Guy), but they're both cut from the same kind of crazy. Like, ever met someone and thought like "THAT guy is the protagnoist. That's a motherfucker they're gonna make a movie about some day", yeah that's them.
I love how simple the design of open bolt full-auto sub machine guns can be.
My Dad was issued one of these in the 80's while working undercover narcotics in S. FL. I was around 11 or 12 at the time and I had been shooting since I was 5, but for the life of me I couldn't hit anything with it as much as I tried. I remember the rate of fire was so intense that I'd hit the trigger for just a millisecond and would immediately see a dozen simultaneous dirt hits on the backstop. Absolutely insane. And you don't get much time to perfect the technique because the mags are empty after only a few attempts. So I never did get many good bursts to hit the target with the ammo I was given. Undercover cops back then were never really issued F/A weapons but there was a situation where a certain group of southern Italian businessmen obtained OCB agents personal information. It didn't take long for us to be targeted and after some dangerous interactions the M10 was issued and I found myself in my own real Miami Vice episode.
Your dads a pig.
Cupid Me no asked
“Southern Italian businessmen” yikes
Alight can we just call this guy’s story fake and argue about that instead of arguing about police
Lucky guy i got to shoot a proper powder springs one in kissimee some guy had a berm and a burger bar were u could shoot mp5s n shit that was in the 90s dont think they would let that happen nowdays nothing better than the smell of fully automatic fire and burgers on the grill literally smelled of freedom and it had the proper sionics can on I felt like a cia agent he was shocked I did not just mag dump but used bursts all center mass my dad a shooting nut and is also ex army I grew up watching documentary after documentary about the cia sas sbs and there on daytime TV a cia guy old in the 90s was demonstrating how to use one properly apparently full auto was for breaking to cover to counter ambush thats it anything else use burst 4rnds of 45 will do more than the job never forgot and the second I held it it felt made for me there amazing best smg in the world period he was a hio human intelligence officer and probly got to play in Afghanistan with a few he was far to good to have just picked it up doing controlled pairs and stuff and didn't even look wen he reloaded a magazine
That's how you're gonna beat em Butch, they keep underestimating ya.
Best EDC ever.
"I carried one of those."
"Lol wtf, where? In hArLeM?"
"No... In Vietnam."
"Oh, damn..."
"Yeah, it was terrible."
"What, the war? Or the-"
"The gun." 😂
These were prominently featured in nearly every "men's adventure" novel series during the '70s and '80s. Mack Bolan, Phoenix Force, Able Team, The Guardians, etc. Good times! 👍
Precious memeories!
Thanks for that.
Cro Minion I still have the entire Phoenix Force paperback book collection... somewhere!
@@-SonZetta- oh really, Wow I loved all of those. Excellent read
Mac bolan good books
Who Dares Wins - the film
Loool "I'll just call it the M5, any M4 they adopt won't last very long."
That M4 is a carbine: there's never been a US M4 submachine gun.
Your historical knowledge on these obscure models is stunning. Great work, as always.
Mac 11 is my favorite I love this gun every time I pick it up it reminds me of the old days!!!😏 thanks for this video 👍🏽👌🏽🙂
Sure miss my MAC 11 and being young with money to blow. I would reload all week ( which I enjoyed ) and then have two seconds of fun on the weekend. Collect brass and repeat. Those were the best days of my life.
Being from powder Springs/Kennesaw/Marietta (you can throw a rock from one zip code to another) it’s pretty cool to see some local history. Back when Dallas Highway was a dirt road and Cobb county was all farmers
It's been that long .? I grew up in Douglasville Ga......
Same (also from Douglasville, but younger)
I'm not from that part of GA but it's cool to see this part of the states history either way
Right, back when these were made, Powder Springs was an hour away from Marietta because the roads were terrible. Now it's an hour away because of the horrendous traffic.
@@darkhelmetgob2330 too many transplants
Jacket's Piece never felt more badass.
My late grandfather was a long range reconnaissance patrol ranger in the Vietnam war, and listening to this, he definitely got to play with that thing. Love love love this video and the history there.
Never had much interest in guns ....but finding myself watching a lot of your stuff 👍
Me neither. But the mechanics of putting them together just with a couple of pins is amazing to me.
Hail gun Jesus may his teachings be long remembered in gun scripture
MY FAVORITE WEAPONS!... HAD THEM FOR 13 YEARS!
This will never be a forgotten weapon
Thank you, ive been hoping for this video. Can you do a comparison between the mac 11 and the uzi just because?
I was just about to post a very similar comment.
Micro uzi to be specific. Thats the closest looking uzi to the ingram
The Uzi fires at about ~600 rounds a minute, (call it 8-10 a second) the M11 runs at about 15-20 a second, it is a bullet hose, and the magazine doesn't last too long. But is it so much fun... On the Uzi, with practice, you can get single shots on full auto, on the M11, its double and triple taps.
Mini-Uzi is a better comparison.
Yeah, I'd lo9ve to see how the two of them stack up.
Werbell’s compound was right next to my high school( McEachern1978-82) . We would hear full auto gun fire often. Also got to meet Mitch Werbell....
Did anyone in the school complained about the gun shots disturbing class sessions?
How did you get to meet any of W family?
I heard the firing also, especially on warm days when windows were open.
When the mail man used one in Three Days of the Condor I was hooked.
My favourite looking guns of them all. Just love that rectangular look
Can't shoot your fingers off when you shoot it one handed sideways. A stocking cap and gold teeth complete the package!
*wave cap
While driving a Lincoln continental
Nicolas Preciado no a it’s an impala actually. Gotta have that 6-4
Straight up, Shawty!
*Bandanna
A proper video of the Ingram SMG. Its about time
S.I.O.N.I.C.S. my favorite acronym.
I always liked the appearance and stock setup of the vz 61 scorpion over the various MAC's and Uzi's.
It's 1980s Miami all over again. 😁😁😁
Man this video brings back all kinds of nostalgia. My Mother's M11 is what made me appreciate the 2nd Amendment as a kid in the 90's.
great video! love the history of the gun. i bought a new cobray m11 on gunbroker for $350 a few years ago this little brick keeps going up in value
Ingrams and Suppressors
Name a more iconic duo
Also was featured as Vincent Vega's (Travolta) sub gun (that he get's killed with while exiting the bathroom by Butch/Willis) in Pulp Fiction. Edit: Apparently the MAC was actually Marcellus'. He left it behind when he went for coffee. ; )
@@RicArmstrong Lol, I forgot about that!
Yup! That damn toaster caught me by surprise!
Edit: It was actually Marcellus' MAC. He had gone to get coffee and donuts and left the gun behind.
I never realized it was Marcellus' gun
That exact gun is on sale on gunbroker right now, complete with signed pictures of the cast.
Could be fake, but I won't be buying it either way.
I don't own guns, I don't use firearms but this was impressively informative. Good stuff, mate.
“It’s Payne! Whack em!”
My man!!
Sam Lake approves
Followed by the sound of akimbo ingrams 😂😂😂
I had a Cobray M11, and it was a case of never meet your 1980's-90's heroes.
The back plate popped off while shooting it.
Such a simple blocky design yet so beautiful
Commando intro:
“I was afraid you’d miss me...”
Cooke - ”Don’t worry, we won’t.”
Not forgotten by a long shot. Ingram is iconic.
In Taiwan they have an elongated version of the M11 with a folding stock, adjustable sights, and triangular plastic handguard. It's still used by their Special Forces and Police SWAT teams called the T-77.
when i was a teenager in the mid 90's i always dreamed of owning one of these things, alas i'm middle aged now and still don't own one.
Get one you won’t regret it.
@@alexnissley9848 not all of us live where that would be legal.....sigh, I agree that the Gun Laws in the US are not ideal either, but given how hard it is over here to actually only even SHOOT something automatic, its sad.
Ferdinand Humperdinck Laws are so dumb here I bought one but cost me $6300. Most full autos are $10000 upwards.
Yeah this is probably the cheapest full auto pre ban gun you can buy. 6,300$ is cheap though, good deal.
@@benhaney9629 I have seen some for $5000 and most are $8000, if you save up for a year or 2 you can definitely try and get your hands on one, just dont forget the nfa tax of $200.
1st, maybe growing up in the 80's I love this piece. 2nd this channel is absolutely amazing. I don't think there is anything else on YT that packs this much information into a short amount of time, all delivered really nicely. Keep up the great work man!
Can’t stop watching these videos
I love guns, I love watching these kind of videos.
This reminds of Barry from IV8888.
P.S. I think he was the best part of IV8888 channel along with Ray.
He talked about working for MAC in Georgia
Barry worked at RPB (jokingly called rape pillage and burn) making silencer parts for the MAC-10, he didn't work at MAC. Still was a hell of a story of getting behind the scenes of arguably one the most iconic guns in American history. May he rest in peace.
Yeah. IV8888 now is much closer to "just another generic gun channel". With Barry videos had a lot more "weight" behind them. Some people are hard to replace and then we can only be thankful for what they had done for us already.
Barry was the only thing that made IV8888 worth watching, his current content is just generic garbage, TFB TV went the same way when Alex C left.
Finally. You finally did a video on my favorite gun of all time. God they're beautiful.
This video answered a lot of questions. Thank you
Dude your videos are so cool. I'm sure you won't see this but thank you for keeping information about firearms fun and engaging!