Love these videos. They're interesting, clear, and comprehensive. My only suggestion would be to use "clockwise" or "counterclockwise" terminology instead of left/right when it comes to the dial. It would bring even more clarity to the presentation.
P Douglas it would make it clearer, but is affair bit more to say when you are trying to explain something while doing it. It is probably better that we adapt to the terminology being used. It may be the standard in the community.
Thats great but i've had to adapt here XD. The safe given to me was a 4083 (unknown maker), that was stored in my great grandma house (im brazillian), so it doesnt quite spin so fluidly XD neither does it responds very well to teeny tiny touches to the wheel. I've opened the key already, picked it easily. Now moved on to crack the code. The metal is very hard to read, it has a lot of "grips" and scratches withing the mechanism, i believe there is plenty of rust, loose components etc. Will update you all when i eventually beat that miserable shit.
I'm still not understanding why you're doing 2 or 3 rotations instead of just going L41, R51, L41. I see you're saying you're picking up the wheels but it just isn't making a ton of sense
AFAIK, each wheel drives another wheel, but only after the driving wheel has been turned a full rotation. So for each successive wheel in the stack, one more full rotation is required to actually get it to turn
Thank you! Yes, some people do read in tenths rather than eighths. I find that dividing by 2 a few times is accurate enough and easy for me. Though it's perfectly acceptable to use tenths!
We use mostly metric in Australia but I find fractions so much easier to visualise, and if using metric graph paper I just ignore the 10ths and plot in imaginary 8ths. It sounds weird but it works for me.
How do I find the contact points if I have a safe with a lever? I'm finding 12 points along the entire dial (0-99) where there is like a gate or false gate where the nose falls in and I can only spin the dial so far to the left or right until I take the pressure off of the lever. So how do i find the contact point on a safe with a lever. It's a sentry safe model number DSO100. Thanks in advance!
Last video, you headed for the weeds. At the end of this video, you were deep in the weeds, with no chance of exiting the weeds, but I have hope. I have an entirely different training using a Lagard group II, and it seems that the Greenleaf is much less intuitive. Your graphing is spot on, but it is where you lose your demonstration by blocking your camera. I am going to watch video 3 again, as it is the application. Great job trying to teach a very subtle process. I wear mittens just to make it that much more challenging.
5:20 Instead of computing the width, I find it much easier to put a mark on the graph for the results and see the difference visually. You should end up having one of the tests with marks at AWL gate signature and two other tests with marks higher from the wheel pack center.
My high test are W1 = 6 3/8, W2 = 5 7/8 & W3 = 6 2/8. and Low Test are W1 = 6 2/8, W2 = 6 , W3 = 6 6/8. The High test doesn't look conclusive at all but the Low Test does. can I conclude that it is W3 has the correct number? since W3 are most likely to be found first?
Hello, I bought a safe with a group 2 sargent and greenleaf combo lock, the people that sold it did not know the combination but it was open so I felt I could figure out, bought a change key , my ? Is do I have to do all the paperwork or can I just look at the back of the lock with the cover off to see when the key drops. Thanks
You can just buy a change key for a few bucks with no issues. And you can just take the back cover off the lock to see when the wheel gates line up to get the combination.
@@lockmanipulator thanks, that's what I thought. If you want to test your self and make a video of you opening a safe lock virulently with your mine never touching the safe, give me a call.
Thank you for these phenomenal videos. I have one question that perhaps I missed the answer to: why does the direction matter? for example, around 2:20, you say that because 41 was found with left rotation, you must dial in the 41s with left rotation for the high test. Why is it that dialing a 41 with right rotation does not put the wheel in the same place?
@@lockmanipulator It depends on the safe lock but if you are not sure you should assume that left or right rotation end up with the gate in different position. Combination locks with static fly will have different numbers for dialing from left vs dialing from right (typically 2.5 numbers per wheel so delta is 2.5, 5 and 7.5 digits; the actual delta is defined by width of the fly). When fly is on partially moving ring between the wheels, the combination can be dialed LRL or RLR and the results are same if the lock tolerances are good enough.
Love these videos. They're interesting, clear, and comprehensive. My only suggestion would be to use "clockwise" or "counterclockwise" terminology instead of left/right when it comes to the dial. It would bring even more clarity to the presentation.
P Douglas it would make it clearer, but is affair bit more to say when you are trying to explain something while doing it. It is probably better that we adapt to the terminology being used. It may be the standard in the community.
The industry standard is left/right. It's like that on lock instructions, as well as safe lock manipulation books.
Thats great but i've had to adapt here XD. The safe given to me was a 4083 (unknown maker), that was stored in my great grandma house (im brazillian), so it doesnt quite spin so fluidly XD neither does it responds very well to teeny tiny touches to the wheel.
I've opened the key already, picked it easily.
Now moved on to crack the code. The metal is very hard to read, it has a lot of "grips" and scratches withing the mechanism, i believe there is plenty of rust, loose components etc. Will update you all when i eventually beat that miserable shit.
Where did you get the stand for the lock.
Where can I get the graphing sheets. Like the ones you use
I'm still not understanding why you're doing 2 or 3 rotations instead of just going L41, R51, L41. I see you're saying you're picking up the wheels but it just isn't making a ton of sense
AFAIK, each wheel drives another wheel, but only after the driving wheel has been turned a full rotation. So for each successive wheel in the stack, one more full rotation is required to actually get it to turn
How the hell is he reading 8 spaces between those tiny increments with any certainty?
Practice
@@JeffG929 Jealous much?
@@MyTube4Utoo yes
Great teaching. Just think how much easier graphing would be in metric instead of fractions of an eighth though? Nice video!
Thank you! Yes, some people do read in tenths rather than eighths. I find that dividing by 2 a few times is accurate enough and easy for me. Though it's perfectly acceptable to use tenths!
divide 10 by 2 twice
We use mostly metric in Australia but I find fractions so much easier to visualise, and if using metric graph paper I just ignore the 10ths and plot in imaginary 8ths. It sounds weird but it works for me.
How do I find the contact points if I have a safe with a lever? I'm finding 12 points along the entire dial (0-99) where there is like a gate or false gate where the nose falls in and I can only spin the dial so far to the left or right until I take the pressure off of the lever. So how do i find the contact point on a safe with a lever. It's a sentry safe model number DSO100. Thanks in advance!
Last video, you headed for the weeds. At the end of this video, you were deep in the weeds, with no chance of exiting the weeds, but I have hope. I have an entirely different training using a Lagard group II, and it seems that the Greenleaf is much less intuitive. Your graphing is spot on, but it is where you lose your demonstration by blocking your camera. I am going to watch video 3 again, as it is the application. Great job trying to teach a very subtle process. I wear mittens just to make it that much more challenging.
5:20 Instead of computing the width, I find it much easier to put a mark on the graph for the results and see the difference visually. You should end up having one of the tests with marks at AWL gate signature and two other tests with marks higher from the wheel pack center.
Great video and very well explained. you made it easy to follow and understand.
Cheers
My high test are W1 = 6 3/8, W2 = 5 7/8 & W3 = 6 2/8. and Low Test are W1 = 6 2/8, W2 = 6 , W3 = 6 6/8. The High test doesn't look conclusive at all but the Low Test does.
can I conclude that it is W3 has the correct number? since W3 are most likely to be found first?
Dude I had the same dilemma. The tolerance is too small the results are too inconsistent, I find this method unhelpful on my safe
Very interesting my friend. 👍
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Hello, I bought a safe with a group 2 sargent and greenleaf combo lock, the people that sold it did not know the combination but it was open so I felt I could figure out, bought a change key , my ? Is do I have to do all the paperwork or can I just look at the back of the lock with the cover off to see when the key drops. Thanks
You can just buy a change key for a few bucks with no issues. And you can just take the back cover off the lock to see when the wheel gates line up to get the combination.
@@lockmanipulator thanks, that's what I thought. If you want to test your self and make a video of you opening a safe lock virulently with your mine never touching the safe, give me a call.
Thank you for these phenomenal videos. I have one question that perhaps I missed the answer to: why does the direction matter? for example, around 2:20, you say that because 41 was found with left rotation, you must dial in the 41s with left rotation for the high test. Why is it that dialing a 41 with right rotation does not put the wheel in the same place?
The pins that are on each wheel that pick up the next wheel have a width so changing direction changes where that wheel is by that amount.
@@lockmanipulator It depends on the safe lock but if you are not sure you should assume that left or right rotation end up with the gate in different position. Combination locks with static fly will have different numbers for dialing from left vs dialing from right (typically 2.5 numbers per wheel so delta is 2.5, 5 and 7.5 digits; the actual delta is defined by width of the fly). When fly is on partially moving ring between the wheels, the combination can be dialed LRL or RLR and the results are same if the lock tolerances are good enough.
Great video!