American Reacts to the British Education System
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- As an American all I have ever known is the American education system and the American way of doing things. Aside from that I have had absolutely zero exposure to how education works in the UK but I am very interested today to find out. If you enjoyed the video feel free to leave a comment, like, or subscribe for more!
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I think one of the biggest differences between the school systems is British education includes knowledge beyond our shores. We learn how we fit into the wider world.
That is so true, that's why a lot of Americans are ignorant.
Its not quite true, US schools have traditionally emphasised maths more than we do
@@jamesgornall5731 What are you talking about? The reply was about History and Geography, yet you changed it too Maths.
@@dazza9326 But the reply was about ignorance, I think they were pointing out you can be ignorant in maths too.
Exactly, spot on there.
The fact that we don’t have to wear bullet-proof backpacks puts us ahead x
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Just stab vests instead 😬
@@Nate_Etron haha atleast I dont have to worry about going to school.
@@Nate_Etronknife crime is higher per million people in the us and is increasing faster than uk, so your more likely to be stabbed in the us than in the uk :)
@@Nate_Etron absolutely not, the fact we have a stabbing problem is primarily a myth made up by Americans as a means to justify shooting figures
The big difference that he never mentioned was that in the UK, kids do NOT graduate from high school or 6th form! I also think that the term student is more widely known now and not just for college or uni attendees!
I went to school in the 50's-60's when we really DIDN'T graduate from any educational establishment except university. NOW, however, kids in the UK are ridiculously graduating from nursery school with full regalia of cap and gown with rolled certificates, then they apparently graduate again when leaving infant school going to junior school and again when finishing school (whether that is 16 or 18 years old) absolutely rediculous, a money making racket. When the UK try to go one better than America, sad to say we just go OTT (over the top) Some may say it is cute but many of us think it is bloody rediculous.
@@michellemoores6327 It is ridiculous! If you're not careful , you'll be calling chips fries next!
@@michellemoores6327 i agree. Graduation is only for those who receive a bachelor’s degree and up. It makes that achievement feel less significant in my opinion.
@@michellemoores6327 as someone who just finished year 11, i have never had a graduation for anything?
secondary school
What Laurence didn't mention was that many students, instead of staying at school for sixth form, go to outside colleges to study a specific subject. Here they attain diplomas, which are equivalent to GCSE and A level courses.
That only applies to England. Scotland and Northern Ireland have a Lower and Upper Sixth where you do A Levels. You also have the option of going to a College or Tech where you can get a qualification other than a degree.
@@TheGiff7 yes the guy in the video specifically said he was focusing on England
When British schools have non-uniform days, usually for charity, the kids all turn up dressed the same anyway. Having taught for nearly forty years, I am totally in favour of uniform. It really does help to avoid discrimination against students who cannot afford new designer clothes every day. It's not perfect but it's better than the alternatives.
See my cohorts legacy is that we got the head to ban all own cloths days across the school and even after we have left it’s still in place. There’s one exception to this and one day a year you may switch your blazer for a Christmas jumper(£1) all other uniform including ties and tank tops must still be worn
@@crazyt1483 They still have to wear a tank top if they're wearing a Christmas jumper?
@@MonkeyButtMovies1 yes.
@@crazyt1483 Seriously?!
It doesn’t stop bullying or discrimination at all and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. If I’m going to be bullied either way I’d at least want to be comfortable and not feel like I want to rip every single piece of clothing off of me every second. No one ever thinks about people with difficulties. I’m autistic and let me tell you school uniform was a nightmare and I’m lucky enough to be homeschooled now. I constantly felt like I couldn’t breathe from heat, I didn’t feel covered enough but also too covered at the same time, I didn’t like the materials of ANY of it at all, I felt like the tie was choking me, and so much more. There’s SO many more cons of uniform than there are pros.
He’s gonna be shocked when he finds out that most secondary schools are 11-18 years old😭 and some are even 11-19
There's no 18 year olds in high school 16 is when you go to college
@@livingglowstick1337 where do you live? Because in many English schools there are 11-18 year olds. Not all schools finish at 16 years old.
Personally, our school finished at 16 and you could do either college or sixth form, where you had to stay until you were 18. After that? The world is your oyster. But yeah, we had a whole year of 18 year olds.
@@billystokes3917 Yeah same
@@livingglowstick1337 many secondary schools have sixth forms attached and in the same buildings
When I was doing my degree with the Open University one tutor was American; she was very surprised by the amount we were expected to cover in one module. An OU module was half a normal university year because we were studying part-time but she thought it was more than would be expected in a full-time course at an American university.
I teach at the OU, and I did my masters there too. I am slightly frustrated because the modules I teach on could be more demanding! My second BA I did at Birkbeck University, London and we had to attend two nights a week four four years. Far tougher.
My findings exactly when studying with the OU. Oddly, my Masters I found easier than my BA.hons.
Because I'm a 76 year old UK wrinkly I was educated in an older system. What is now called PRIMARY SCHOOL used to be called Infants and Juniors and covered the ages of 4/5 to 11/12. ( side note my class size was 46 pupils ) We then took an exam called the 11 plus. This exam streamed you into 2 forms of SECONDARY SCHOOL Grammar schools which were for the more academically gifted and Secondary modern which were more for vocational education but you still did GCSE's. At a Grammar school you took GCE's ( general certificate of education ) exams and could leave at the age of 16. You could choose to stay on for another 2 years and take your A levels ( advanced levels ) necessary for University entrance. These 2 extra years were called lower and upper sixth form. So armed with 6 GCSE's and 2/3 A levels you then applied for University and did 3 years to gain a B.A. or B.S.C. (4 years for a B. Ed.). I took a slightly different route, I left at 16 and went to Art school for 2 years and gained my 2 A levels there. I then went to Art college and gained a Dip A.D. (diploma in art and design) I later did additional modules to turn my diploma into a fine arts degree. This was of no use at all as I then became a police officer.
I'm 60 next Jan and went through the same system.
I'm 25 and when I was in school Reception-Year 2 was the infants and then Year 3-Year 6 was the juniors, but all together as a collective it was Primary School.
Is it a northern thing because my school's where infants junior and senior.
Yes that is what I remember too, except by the time I went into higher education you completed a Foundation Art & Design then a B.A. (hons), M.A. etc. I complicated it by going to university in the U S where the M.A. level was split into 2 levels!
Near me there is still schools called.junior and infants. I didn't know this til I moved house and was looking at primsry schools in my area to apply and couldn't work out why one school wasn't on list and realised they were junior schools so didn't take 4 year olds. I like where she's going though.
17:11 secondary school covers ages 11-18, so it is basically US middle and high school combined. Except without the cheerleaders, obsession with the school sports teams, and endless formal dances every other weekend.
Secondary school is 11-16!
16-18 is then sixth form/college
@@daisygirlmochi768 in a lot of schools theyre kind of combined though. they may be a different part of the school but in my school and all the ones near me it was age 11-18
@@squiggle.64 But it's still not secondary school. It just means they have both secondary and sixth form. My school doesn't have one.
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@@ladyzebachi9365 My old secondary school also had a built in sixth form and they just treated it like two more years you were expected to do by default. The teachers were actually somewhat taken aback when I informed some of them that I was leaving to go to a college instead. Like somehow I was claiming to be jumping ahead, skipping something, akin to a 14 year old saying I'm going to skip my GCSE's to go to university. It was weird.
In the UK we use the term 'Primary School', as this is the primary source of learning for your first 7 or so years and it should not only teach you the basics of Maths and English but also give you a general introduction to many other subjects like science, art, music, some languages and sports (as examples). 'Secondary School' is the second level of education where the general leaning from Primary School is more focused and advanced, in preparation for Higher education in college or university. Higher education is also refer to as Tertiary Education.
So Primary (1st), Secondary (2nd) and Tertiary (3rd) levels of education in Britain.
Australia. The education system is the same
You seem Scottish…are you? It is my observation that the Scottish system (since there is no such thing as a uk system or a British system) would be the most straight forward. Primary, secondary and tertiary / further or higher education.
We also have infants and junior school
And NZ where I grew up, and Ireland where my daughter went to school.
I was born and live in England and I have never heard of Tertiary level of education. Must be an upper class word.
My school had a sixth form so we actually had 11 year olds and 18 year olds going to school together. I had an 18 year old friend in year 7 who looked out for me. He was nice, but otherwise it was really overwhelming at first because everyone looked so big and scary
mine had a primary and pre school too lol! but not only was having to deal with young children strange at times, the school was also a religious hell.
Yeah my secondary school has a sixth form too so we constantly mix with the younger years, although we do have sectioned off areas for sixth form.
Never really noticed that because sixth formers came in only a few days of the week and never hung out at the yard/had there own floor to learn lessons which was under the library, but it made me realise how fast you grow up, seeing kids in year 10 suddenly have beards walking around like teachers a few years later. Throughout my entire secondary I don’t think I ever had a single convo with one. Never felt weird was just the norm
The thing you have to remember is it’s only recently that “high school “ was compulsory beyond the age of 16. So up until reasonably recently most of us just started work at 16. And only really brainy kids did 6th form and then uni. Us 16 year olds might go to college either full or part time as part of in work qualification.
I believe uniforms are intended to make all the pupils visually similar to discourage bullying or social hierarchy due to family finances.
If one kid comes into school in full designer clothing and another comes in wearing second-hand clothes because their family are struggling, it opens up (especially in younger children) feelings of superiority/inferiority that naturally leads to bullying. If everyone is wearing the same uniform, like in the military or in a workplace environment, everyone is equal to each other and social class doesn't interfere as much with education.
That is a false idea. You can still tell which kids have new uniform items all the time and which are kitted out from the second hand uniform shop. And there are many other indications of a child's family background.
I would say, it's to level the playing field somewhat.
Doesn't work out so well, kids will pick up on each and all differences the sneaky little basrards
So is it an acknowledgment of how British society is so socially stratified by class everywhere else that they had to make a conscious effort to try and avoid it in schools? If that's the case, then I guess it's a noble effort.
I've also heard from one head teacher (USA = Principal) that kids will always want to rebel about something, and uniforms give them something to rebel against (rolling up skirt waistbands, fat short ties, etc.) that really doesn't matter that much to the teachers, but the teachers don't let on cos then the kids would start complaining about something that actually matters :D
In Britain, College is a vague and fluffy word that just refers to a formal collection of people. It could be a school, a trade academy, a university, or a hall within a university, right up to the Royal College of Surgeons, which qualifies and polices the standards and research of top Surgeons.
For the past 25-30 yrs or so 'college is where the 16-18 yr olds go, more or less. Where previously they would have been in the work place. These jobs have disappeared in the post industrial age. Respectable clerical jobs etc have been downgraded and computerised. Vocational positions now require a degree course instead of actual on the job training.
@@irenejohnston6802 I don't think that is entirely true the schooling system is different depending on were you life and does lack standardization. I moved 30 miles away from my hometown and the system confused the crap out of me, Some schools teach from 0-18 straight through there is also places called middle schools they are not a thing in my home town and a college a few miles away educates from year 7 onwards and in general colleges have become more of a business in the past 20 years the college in my hometown owns many small businesses in the local town and county and also part owns a few other colleges around England.
As a collage student not at all a collage Is a higher place of learning that expands into specific areas like art as I'm a art student the allow you to define skills universities fall under something else they are true academic institutions that exist instead of boarding knowledge it's to cement it
@@livingglowstick1337 you can use west Somerset college as an example it uses a three tier schooling system the school starts at year 9 it's also a technology college there are plenty of colleges around here that operate in a similar way
I taught at a community college in the US. the courses I taught were for adults. I had students from all over the world. The students from Britain (England and Scotland). Due to their system, a student with a Bachelor’s degree have the equivalent education to a Master’s degree in the US.
When I was in high school, back in the stone age, there were 46 kids in my class. There was no disruptive behaviour at all, and the teachers were treated with respect. Corporal punishment was still used (very, very rarely), and knowing that was enough to keep us in line. Consequently, we all got an education.
Britain used to use letters but now Britain uses numbers to grade which was one of the stupidest changes ever because people still compare the numbers to letters.
Please don’t confuse Britain with UK or the different countries in the UK. Scotland is in Britain but Scotland continues to use letters for grades. Scotlands education system is very different from Englands.
Very annoying I have 1 gcse that is numbered and the rest are lettered 😂
@@kayleighbullen6483the. You have some subjects that are technically btecs so you have p,m and d thrown in there that don’t actually match up with each other
Dumbest not stupidest
yeah we have that one odd thing that grades your group in letters, thats for english, x band or y band and in one science lesson we were in 9-X.. i dont even know
What the commentator didn’t mention is that we all have uniforms to give every student a level playing field when it comes to school life. We’ve all read about children being bullied or shamed because they don’t have the latest Nike trainers etc. Although most of us hated uniforms in retrospect we realise they are a positive thing. ✌️By the way Tyler, great videos, we watch them all 🇬🇧
That’s very true about how we hate school uniforms when we had to wear them, but in retrospect they’re a positive thing.
But they were more than just a way to level the playing field. So they don’t get shamed for not having the latest designer gear.
It also helps the local community identify any anti-social behaviour. When the streets are flooded with kids going home after school. If they cause any trouble it’s easy to identify the school. I remember someone throwing a stone at a car on their way home. Their uniform was identified, the police came into school and gave us a lecture, students were interviewed by teachers to see if anyone had seen who did, and some anonymous person identified the culprit. Because schools are partly responsible for students on their way and too school.
Uniforms also help kids to mix more and not segregate themselves into groups based on what they wear. We’ve all seen in every American movie or TV show that they have high school cliques.
Populars are the richer kids with designer clothes.
Jocks are the high school sports teams.
Nerds the intelligent kids that are more eccentric.
Goths wearing all black.
The norms are the kids that don’t really stand out from the crowd.
And none of them seem to mix.
I don’t think we really have that in the UK.
And most schools make small fortunes from making us pay to wear our own clothes on “own clothes day”
bollocks they do…..all they do is put financial strain on poorer families to buy a very expensive uniform……it would be far easier to just have students wear the clothes they already own if you really want to help out poorer kids…..students always find something to bully eachother about so its really useless to force kids to wear uniform that they hate and puts strain on their families
@@comically_large_cowboy_hat3385 Exactly. I would totally get the reasoning for having one if the uniform was just a jumper and polo that could be bought from the supermarket, but some parents are having to fork out hundreds for their kids uniforms that can only be bought from one supplier that overcharges because they can.
In my entire secondary school life I only had two blazers that had to be bought large to last me, because they were so expensive. I'm just lucky I wasn't one of the girls who had to wear her older brother's old blazer, because the boys and girls blazers were very obviously different.
At my younger brother's school, the boys have to have separate kits for football and rugby (including two different pairs of boots) in addition to a standard PE kit.
@@JarlGrimmToys We didn't in NZ either, nor have I seen it here in Ireland.
In most of England we have sixth forms (same age as college) attached directly to the secondary school so we actually have 18 year olds in the same school as 11 year olds. From my experience the sixth formers are often helpful to the younger students and regularly help run activities for the younger years.
As an American in the UK, I was taken aback when I received a 76% grade and burst into tears. I firmly believed that my work was of low quality. However, to my surprise, people reassured me that it was an A and considered it to be excellent !
Yup, that's really good, I've just done a levels and got 40 to 50 per cent on each exam wich is a B or a C depending on the subject grade boundaries
Average class size is a strange metric to describe all secondary education in UK as it varies so widely with age. At 11yo, most children will find themselves in a class of 30. At 15/16 class sizes are often around 20-25. At 17/18 class sizes are 5-15 depending on subject.
I haven’t looked these up, they are my guesstimates based on 15 years of teaching in UK
Class sizes depend on how good the TV was that year if you catch my drift
My high school put nearly 60 kids in one class for science
The teacher did get to spilt the class in half and have a supply teacher teach each half once a week
Unfortunately the supply teacher for my side never showed up
Our supply ended up being whichever staff member (not teacher specifically) ended up walking past and feeling bad for the 30 kids sitting in the corridor🤣
@@gosiadawida Was your school in the North? I did supply teaching in a school that did a similar thing for maths. I'm not entirely sure what benefit it was supposed to prompt
@leyubar1 No it was pretty much right in the middle of England lol
I'm pretty sure it had something to do with the fact it was a notoriously bad school and no one wanted to teach there
My friends class made a teacher walk out and quit
When I was in sixth form, my further maths class started with 4 students and ended with 2 of us.
I love uniforms. I am from the Indian subcontinent so we are used to it. Also it's a good thing because makes everyone feel equal.
I hated it back in the sixties and seventies when I had to wear it but..............When I had to buy it for my sons I appreciated it a little more?
Uniforms are cheap durable fabric, so the other clothes you buy your children can be finer, and still last long.
@@neuralwarp he point is to feel equal. Imagine going to school where the rich kid wears something new and nice everyday, it will destroy the child's confidence. It's important the children go to study to school and not to a fashion parade
I went to a school that never had uniforms. Glad to say now the same school has one.
Parents are encouraged to buy pre-loved uniforms, to keep the costs down.
My favourite thing though is the 5 year old, has wet weather gear, sweat pants & hoodies as part of his uniform.
All about outdoor learning, forest school, as well the traditional learning.
They are also invited to go for a jog at start of the school day too.
And he has to take a reusable drinks bottle to school with him.
I concur. ❤. I loved my uniform in junior school (9 to 12 years old). Despised non-uniform 12 year plus.
It’s funny, myself and most British students know and understand the American education system quite well, shows the true influence of America on the rest of the world. Like the terminology section for example, we don’t use a lot of those words, pupils for example isnt widely used among students (lol). Most schools will still say pupils though to sound professional. and we call an eraser a rubber, not all of us are posh 😅. one thing he didn’t mention is the subjects as well. We learn about more than just the UK. It’s why our geography skills are so much better than a lot of Americans. 😂
Dude being shocked that people learn latin got me. It's actually quite a big thing in England, especially posher areas, and most secondary schools in big cities have it as an option.
I had to look it up and was amazed to see A level and GCSE Latin exist! I've honestly never heard of anyone studying Latin in an English school, although that may just be down to where I'm from, seeing as I hadn't even heard of 'classics' until year 13 😂
I learnt Latin up to O level. It comes in useful for learning other languages, Spanish, Italian and French
I definitely think of Latin as being a private school / grammar school thing. The only people I've met who did Latin at high school were grammar school kids - and loads of places in the UK don't have them anymore
I don’t think there are any schools in the U.K. that don’t have uniforms!
In the UK We do have more pupils per class but we also have support staff in the form of teaching assistants. Some children also have one to one support from staff who specialise in specific learning abilities
As a kid a uniform takes away the pressure of keeping up with fashions etc. and removes the whole what to wear debate. For adults (non parent) uniforms are great because if a kid gets up to something on the way home you know where they go to school. Most schools stress on the pupils that wearing the uniform they are representing the school and the behaviour expected.
Also intended to foster a sense of belonging and comradeship !
No competition as to who can afford designer clothing and those who
cannot !
@@marycarver1542 it actually did the complete opposite of making me feel like I belonged. Uniform should be a choice. I’m autistic and COULD NOT COPE in those stupid uniforms. Would rather die than have to wear them again. All it did was make me in a constant state of discomfort and made me feel like I couldn’t properly express myself, forcing me to mask even more. I get why it could help some people, but overall it should be a choice and there should be exceptions. Everyone is different and everyone has different needs. Forcing one thing onto everyone even when a lot of peoples’ needs say otherwise is just cruel and wrong.
@@n30n__ra1n The key factor there being that you're autistic so your senses create a different kind of feedback to the generic person. There might have been options for you, depending on when you went to school, and where I guess.
My brother is autistic and has hated wearing clothes in general his whole life for very similar reasons, so he gets to wear whatever he wants so long as it matches the colours and doesn't have any bold designs on it. Better that than have him streaking through school because he felt like he was being strangled to death by a button up shirt!
So while you missed out on better understanding of problems autistic people have and the considerations being made, things are getting better.
@@ShaimingLong You don’t know how lucky he is bro. I was just using autistic as an example but I’ve never heard of that happening, and it definitely is not common at all. On my first day of high school I had to start wearing ties, and because I really couldn’t cope with it, my mum took me to speak with the office. There all they said was “well I understand my kid struggles to but you have to wear it” and then I was sent to classes without even being able to give input. Fair enough I wasn’t diagnosed with autism at that point yet, but even still that’s another thing. What about the kids who are missed? The kids who have autism and aren’t diagnosed, or have parents who refuse to let them get tested? There’s SO many factors and I could go on and on about how school sucks for disabled people but considering this is just about uniform I won’t. You get the point though.
@@n30n__ra1n Yeah, if you weren't diagnosed by that point I can see why they refused to give you any exception, but likewise it is terrible that you had to go through the five years of that.
Where my brother goes, they have a full department aimed at identifying and providing support to those with disabilities.
Though also in my brother's case, it's painfully obvious that he has something, as he's always in his own little world, can barely communicate, everything has to be exactly as he wants it to and he has no sense of authority from adults.
There was no way he could slip under the radar and go unnoticed like you and far too many other people have.
That joke I made about him streaking? Yeah, he actually did that on his first day of secondary school, so if they didn't give him an exception on uniform they weren't going to be able to stop him stripping to his underwear at best.
When he was shocked about 12 year olds and 16 year olds in the same school I burst out laughing because in my school we had 12 year olds all the way to 18 year olds.😂
It's actually 11yr to 18yrs which he'll probably be even more shocked about, although when i was in school it was 11 to 16 and it was years not grades so both high school and junior school were year 1 to 4, this grade thing confuse the heck out of me. I left when I was 15 because my birthday fell in the summer holidays. When I look at 15yr olds now I can't imagine them leaving at 15 or 16 and having to find a job.
I have truly enjoyed these videos on the differences between the USA and the UK. As they say, you learn something new every day. Funnily, there were parts of both systems used when I was in school many, many years ago. Thanks for all this info ....
A big reason that a degree course is a yr shorter in UK is that the last two yrs of HS/Secondary are very specialised. Just three or four subjects are taken. For example, my youngest (aged 16) is now only studying Pure Maths, Applied Maths, Physics, and Computer Science. He hopes to take joint majors in Astrophysics and the Philisophy of Science. This level of specialisation isn't possible until three yrs later in the US, at 2nd yr in University.
Btw, Public/Private/Indep schools in UK are structured differently. About 12 percent of UK pupils attend these. Pre (from age 4) or Junior Prep is generally aged 6 to 13, Senior schools are 13 to 18. Boarding preps don't accept boarders until aged 8. Some specialist schools (such as choir schools, as mine was) only go aged 8 to 12 or 13. My youngest's senior school was founded in 909AD.
That’s the same subjects my son took , went to uni did more advanced maths and computer science and has a great job now but at first he had a job in a banks call centre while he applied for jobs in his field , I wish your son well in his future
I was born in Scotland and started school at the age of 4. It was called Primary School and first year is called Primary 1 and you stay in that same school until primary 7. You then go to high school beginning at 11-12 years old and stay until 17-18 (16 if you are leaving for a local college or apprenticeship). I now live in England and my kids school system is completely different.
Uniforms in schools are used mostly as a way for poor and rich kids to mix without any difference in clothing quality.
The qualifications are different and the curriculum as well.
@@scarba Term times as well. You don't get "Tattie Holidays" in England. Also, a degree in Scotland takes four years. Oh and you can still leave school at 16 in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland without needing to continue education elsewhere or get an apprenticeship
Snoop, you just basically said what I was about to say lol....except I'm still in Scotland and don't have kids. Also first year to sixth year mind.
@@BrianMac1979 and you can start university aged only 16 if you have the qualifications
@@Spiklething well a general degree in Scotland is three years and honours is four. Also a degree from Edinburgh Glasgow or St Andrews is called an M.A not B.A
College is one of two things in the UK. It is either the equivalent of last two years of High School (but only focusing on specialist subjects) OR it’s school for adults of any age. (Which if often part time and sometimes in the evening)
To make things even more confusing, some UK high schools (usually private schools) run college level courses for 16-18 year olds. (So students can stay on at school after 16)
The University is a different thing entirely. It’s higher level education for anyone 18+. But adults studying less than a higher level can go to college. But some colleges do offer higher level courses. (I.e degrees)
In England, the school names go: (School term: Year Old Pupils/Students)
1) Nursery + Reception: 3-5
2) Primary School: 5-11
3) Secondary School/High School: 11-16
4) College: 16-18
5) University: 18+
In America, it seems to go: (I'm British so i'm not entirely sure)
1) Pre-School + Kindergarden: 3-6
2) Elementary School: 6-11
3) Middle School: 11-14
4) High School: 14-18
5) College/University: 18+
Also british holidays are shorter at around 2 months for our summer holiday, compared to America's over 3 month summer vacation.
I feel like he explained the grades/year groups a bit confusing so I wrote my timeline out to help explain, hope it helps 😄
(my birthday being the start of a new school year and I went to school in Yorkshire) ;
Pre-school (age 2/3 - no uniform)
Nursery (age 4- my nursery had uniform but because it was attached to a school. Most do not have uniform)
Reception (age 5- uniform )
Primary school infant years (age 6-8- uniform)
Primary school junior years (age 9-11-uniform)
Secondary/high school (age 12-16- uniform)
Sixth form/college (age 17-18- no uniform)
University (age 19+ -no uniform)
Yes that is far less confusing, thanks.
Although Sixth form in a school may require 'business dress' a college for 16-18s wouldn't usually have a dress code. I attended a high school which was 11-16s this was in the 60s/70s. I went back to college (not Uni) in my 50s and the only 'uniform' was the young ladies on the hair and makeup class who all had silver handbags! 🤣 I was taking the commercial floristry course and we were identified by being wet, dirty and cold.
An undergraduate degree in the UK is a specialised subject not like the USA where it is made up of modules of different subjects. Because undergraduate degrees are specialised this means a Masters degree is usually only one year of intensive study although it could be two depending on the subject. My granddaughter has recently obtained her Masters in Psychology from Queen Mary's, London She has an undergraduate degree in Psychology. My friend's daughter has two undergraduate degrees (Equine and Physiotherapy) and a Masters in Equine Physiotherapy - she wanted to treat horses but had to take a human physiotherapy degree first.
There are local variations, however, so: Primary school infant years (age 6-7- uniform), Primary school junior years (age 8-10-uniform), Secondary/high school (age 11-16- uniform). Or this may just have been because that's what it was when I was a kid... I'm 65 now.
I'll go one better because even this is confusing.
The school years are September to July so depending on what date you are born will dictate your age when you start school.
Nursery age 3-4
Reception age 4-5
Y1-6 ages 5-11
Y7-11 ages 11-16 (or 15 if you finish your GCSEs before you turn 16)
Sixth form or college ages 16-18
University ages 18-whenever you decide to join the adults
That is very different to my hometown and were i live now
education in my hometown would have been.
Nursery --> Primary --> Secondary --> College
Where i live now can get more confusing it will either be
School (0-18)
Nursery --> Middle School --> Secondary --> College
Or
Nursery --> Middle School --> College
I went to an old Grammar school (a secondary state school that you have to smart enough to get a place at). As it was founded in 1549 it was somewhat traditional so, yes, the Harry Potter films do reflect a certain type of British school. I even went to school on trains with carriages EXACTLY like the ones seen on the Hogwarts Express. We had uniforms and many of our teachers still wore gowns to teach in. Also, like Harry Potter, the teachers called us by our surnames only . . . "Potter!" Because of that we also all called each other by our last names too (like Mallfoy does when speaking to others and Harry an Co. do when referring to Crabbe & Goyle) When we reached 6th form (ages 16 and 17) we were allowed to not wear a uniform as we were recognised as young gentlemen BUT we had to wear a proper suit and tie. As a sign of growing respect the teachers would now call us by our titles so "Mr Potter". To be fair, uniforms are great. You have no thought to put in to decide what to wear every day and uniforms are a great leveller as no one stands out as rich or poor. Not everything is an affront to freedom, but more about focus on learning and levelling the playing field. It also introduces an amount of discipline.
My comprehensive school in Scotland had formerly been the town grammar school. So it retained the name 'Academy' and the Headteacher was called the Rector. Our Rector and Assistant Rectors wore their academic gowns for work. I have mixed feelings about uniforms. The good points are that you don't have to think about what to wear, it's easy to separate work and play clothes, and they do generate a smarter attitude. The downside is that even with uniforms, kids still figure out who got their blazer at the cheaper shop, plus they can get tatty because parents can't afford to replace them and have bought them for growth, and then they're often quite impractical - too warm in summer, not warm enough in winter, not waterproof. Our school relaxed the rules and didn't insist on blazers - you had to wear either a blazer or a school tie but not both. The length of skirts was different, I do remember one girl being sent home because her skirt was too short. I bet that wouldn't happen today😅
No surprise that an American says uniforms are not freedom but then their child gets sick and they have to go bankrupt to pay for the medical bills....where is there freedom then?!!
Me too staff wore gowns. Girls and boys did not mix until we were 12 and then only on the playing fields surrounded by guards ( prefects ) school had 3 driveways girls, boys and staff and at the end if the day as we walked down the drive to freedom we ran the gauntlet of the prefects checking that your uniform was correct. Prefects had a lot of.power. Oh when I wistfully think back to those days and shudder. It was run like a prison camp
Sounds very much like my old school, although that was founded in 1531 - thought it might be the same for a second
Grammar school can be just a school where your parents pay you to attend, unlike normal schools which are free. I did O levels which are a bit harder than GCSEs.
In my day, in England, the unified numbering system for years did not yet exist. There were differences between counties but generally there was Primary school divided into Infants (3 years, ages 4-7) and Juniors (4 years, ages 7-11). After that, Secondary school (Grammar, Secondary Modern or Comprehensive) went from "1st Form" to "5th Form" (mandatory) followed by two years of "6th Form" (either Lower-6th/Upper-6th or 6th/7th; optional). People like me who were subject to this régime and who have not had kids of our own, find all this Year 1 to Year 13 business very confusing. I sometimes find myself finger counting to help me covert back to what I understand. I don't relate in the slightest to the term "Middle School".
Middle School in our country varies from school to school, typically it is the years in which pupils are actually studying the GCSE content (for me it was Year 9 to Year 11)
My school years from 81 to 1992. I don't understand the year 7/8/9 thing either. Also we didn't have prom. It was more last exam, great now get out and don't come back.
@@ThatDuckieMoment No prom at my school back in '73 just a school disco and most of us left asap.
in england there’s two school systems in a way. the older one is ‘first school (years reception-4) middle school (years 5-8) and upper school (years9-11+sixth form) and the main one is ‘primary school (years reception-6) and secondary school (years 7-11+sixth form) and it depends where in the country you live as to which system you end up in!
In the uk.. any school called a high school is the same as a secondary school...its just a name
As already pointed out the word "College" has several uses. Almost every town and City will have at least one Further Education College, usually for students aged 16 and over including adults. Qualifications that can be gained include those that could be gained at high school ( so giving students another chance to gain them) or Higher Education qualifications right up to Degrees (therefore overlapping with the University offer). You would also go to an FE college as an adult to study for qualifications in the evenings
It's nice to see someone genuinely interested in seeing the differences between the two without any judgement, simply finding it interesting.
With U.K. universities you study the degree you choose, so for example I have a degree in Religious Studies and that’s what I studied, no general studies, biology etc. my fiend in Baltimore did a degree in English literature and I couldn’t work out why she was taking biology for the life of me! I graduated with a grade 2.1, with honours, so magma cum laude in the USA
Uniform makes everyone equal. No bullying for not being able to afford the latest trainers, supporting the wrong team/band etc etc
Kindergarten (children's garden) is a German word. The name moved to America with the German trained teachers.
Hm. If they can find a 'reason' for bullying, then they will. Certainly found that one out.
@@josefschiltz2192 The key thing is that it makes it less obvious what a bully can target someone for. It doesn't prevent bullying by any means, it just slows down the process as the bully needs to find some less than obvious superficial details about their targets.
@@ShaimingLong I can tell you right now from bitter experience that it doesn't work. Bullies rely far too much on an instinct for a potential target which they zero in on pretty well immediately. They have an unconformity detector built in via observation like a predator to body language. The uniform is merely the attempt to categorize different people from different backgrounds into a more easily assembled package that the school can manage.
Doesn't prevent bullying and is often torturous for autistic people. Also, my school uniform was extremely expensive and a big financial burden. I lost my blazer, couldn't afford to replace and so was always sick and freezing during winter as you weren't allowed to wear a regular coat over the uniform, even when you were off school premises, so would have to walk the mile home in wind, cold, or rain with no coat.
@@CD-qr7ec Being autistic myself, I empathize greatly. Those blasted shirts were killers. Fortunately, a blazer wasn't part of our uniform. I despise uniforms. I was already masking - These days that's the term for it - and that enough is exhausting - to try to 'blend in'. To be uniformed was even worse. These days I wear what I want to. Comfortable, being slightly loose, and black. Everything is black.
I love how all the sarcasm goes over your head and you fall for his stereotypes 🤣
Pre 2000, the British education system was as follows (in general):
Voluntary attendance
- Nursery School 3?-4 years olds
Compulsory attendance
- Infant School 4/5-7 year olds
- Primary/Junior School 7- 11 year olds
- Comprehensive/Secondary/High School 11-16
year olds
Voluntary attendance
- Sixth Form/College 16-18 year olds
- University 18 year olds onwards
After 2000, the UK education system started following to the American style with a few tweaks of course. I haven't a clue what the education system is now that the compulsory leaving age has been increased from 16 to 18 (since 2017).
Also colleges and universities will often run adult education courses so you may find students of any age above 18, this also means that making a bad choice early on doesnt stop you retraining.
Exactly, I dropped out of school when I was 15yo, not because I wasn't smart, but I was a troubled kid with a drug problem. After prison, rehab, etc, I went on to Uni and got myself a Degree at 33.
Laurence wasn’t technically correct on some of these things. Nursery take babies to 4 years. Pre-school take a child the term before they turn 3 up to 4 years. These are separate to Primary school and may have no uniform or a simple uniform. Primary school takes children in the school year that they turn 5. My boys are both June babies, so they turned 4 in the June and started Year Reception in the September. (School year runs from 1st September to 31st August. You do wear uniform from Reception upwards as this is proper school. My boys even wore ties and shirts at age 4. Primary school is ages 4-11, Years Reception to Year 6. Secondary school starts in the school year you turn 12. Secondary school is from ages 11-18. Years 7-13. However, as Laurence pointed out, Years 12 & 13 aren’t always required to wear uniform (depends on the school), this is age 16-18. It is called 6th Form because when I was at school, years 7-11 were known as 1st year secondary to 5th year secondary. Not all secondary schools have a 6th Form. You take GCSE exams in year 11 (age 15-16) in around 7 subjects. My youngest son is Year 9 (US grade 8) and he had to choose subjects he wants to study at GCSE (general certificate of Secondary education). Maths, English, Science, PSHE (personal, social health education) and PE are compulsory. He has chosen Geography, IT, and Business. Once you have taken your GCSE’s which are graded 1-9 (9 being highest grade and 4 being a pass) you can either leave secondary school and go to college, here you can study A Levels (Advanced Levels) or something like plumbing or hairdressing depending on your academic ability and what career you wish to choose or you can get an apprenticeship with a company or stay at school and go into 6th Form to study A Levels. My eldest son took Physics Core Maths, Design Technology and Economics. He then went on to University where he is in his 2nd year studying Architecture Technology and Design. It’s 4 years but his 3rd year is a placement year at a company. Hope this clears things up a bit, sorry it’s long 😬
Most of the information was about terminology. To me the biggest difference is that English students specialise earlier - he didn't mention that subjects can be dropped at 14. English and maths are among the few which are mandatory up to 16. At 16 GCSE exams are taken in the chosen subjects. From 16 - 18 up to (usually) 4 subjects are chosen for study leading to A-levels. This is probably why British degrees take only 3 years - we already covered some material early on. But it does mean our education can be less 'well rounded' if students are only interested in their preferred subjects.
However, but it did not cover when it came to UK colleges that you do not need to do A-levels. You can also do an apprenticeship which is where you come in to college once or twice a week to learn trade skills so your mechanics, electrician plumbing building, but the rest of the week you’re working with the company earning money. Once you pass those two years you have done your apprenticeship.
In England there are two different types of schooling systems depending on the town you're in. The majority are Primary (R to yr 6) and Secondary Schools (Yr 7 to Yr11) but some towns use Infant (R to yr4), middle (yr5 to yr8) and high schools (yr 9 to yr11). Usually the latter system is seen in larger towns where they want to split the student body in to smaller groups rather than having one massive school. The majority seem to be Primary/Secondary, though.
I watched this with a little confusion as in my city, and much of the east of England, we have primary school > middle school> high-school > 6th form or college then uni.
Never realised other parts of the country do things differently.
That has changed, we used to call that junior school.
@Yvonne Meidlinger it may well still be called junior as well depending on where you are as different counties use different systems sometimes
GCSE exams at 16 has a mix of compulsory subjects (English/maths/science) with other subjects that you can choose from. Typically around 10 subjects in total.
A-Level subjects will depend on what you want to study at university. For example, I studied maths, physics and biology, to then study biotechnology at university.
Our university courses only include subjects that relate to the degree that we chose to study for. So all of my subjects were things relating to specific areas of biology, chemistry, and the environment. We choose what you would call our “major” before we start the course. The subjects studied for that degree are typically set by the university. I don’t think that we have the option of studying a minor at university. At least they didn’t at mine for my course.
There are quite a few universities offering double majors or majors and minors in the UK. If they conjoin the words with "and", the subjects are on equal footing, but if they are joined with "with", the subject after the "with" is the minor. I just stuck to plain physics, but some people in my lectures combined it with either maths or computer science.
(for uk) they also forgot to mention that in year 8/9 we choose 3/4 options that the next year are the subjects we take alongside core classes like english maths and science and that, while in america they do SATs at age 18 that are mostly multiple choice and only 4 sections, in england we do GCSEs at age 16. the average amount is 8 GCSEs per student and most GCSEs have 3 exams/papers such as for maths or geography but english has 4 and combined science has 6 with the exams often including essay questions, those with fewer exams often include coursework such as BTECs, so in england we may do roughly 24-27 exams and exams for subjects like art can be days long and only maybe 2 or 3 questions in an exam might be multiple choice.
The reason behind so many schools requiring uniforms is most likely because it's heavily enforced by academy trusts when a school joins the trust. For both primary and secondary I attended schools that started as stand alone schools that joined a trust and it went from similar expectations to a workplace (just a shirt and reasonable skirt or trousers) to requiring the specific skirt that can only be bought at the school shop that must reach below the knee (despite the rules stating it need only touch the top of the knee male teachers have no idea how skirts work)
Some high schools in the UK do use “college” after aged 16, but it is more usual to use it in reference to education after 18, but being less than a university where one studies for degrees.
My parents were poor so going to school with rich kids was not a problem , my mum made sure every morning I looked fantastic in my school uniform, ,
huh?
High school is year 7,8,9,10,11 in the UK , this can also be called secondary school as Primary school ends at year six . We take our GCSE'S at year 11 and we then go on to College for 2 years and Uni for another 2-3 years . High school is a combination of middle school and 3 years of American high school .
This is how it goes reception, primary school (6-11),secondary school (11-16), college (16-18 depending on course), university (18+)
In secondary in year 9 or 10 students can choose what optional lesions we want so if we like history over geography we pick history if we like drama over music we pick drama but the options change depending on the school after secondary school students chooses what course they want to do in college so if they want to do hairdressing/barber they choose that course and we not learn about that
It is not widely common, but we had a high school in my area that everyone attended, running from year 7 up to year 9 (about 11-14). Pupils then went onto the other school in the town, studying GCSEs for 2 years, year 10&11 (14-16y/o). They could then choose whether to stay on for sixth form and do A-Levels, or go to another college in the city (designed for 16+). These places generally offered a wider range of subjects, often more vocational than academic, such as Photography, or Fashion Design. Alternatively, they could do an apprenticeship, perhaps in a trade, such as carpentry. High schools are very uncommon, sometimes only found in certain counties or areas, and even then, this system was phased out in my area a couple of years ago in favour of creating two separate secondary schools.
I myself, was one of the few that did not attend these schools, as I attended the grammar school the next county over, from 11 to 18. He didn’t cover grammar schools (there aren’t so many, and so they are not commonly attended), but grammar school is where you take an exam in year 6 called an ‘11+’ to be able to get in. If you do well, you will be considered clever enough by their standards to be able to attend the school. This is not fee paying, and is specifically based on intelligence (or what intelligence they understand you to have from your result). Like many schools, we had uniforms and blazers, but were expected to wear suits and smart business attire in sixth form.
For the confusion about State vs. Public vs. Private school, public schools for us are sort of more fancy private schools. All public schools are forms of private schools, but not all private schools are public schools. The fees for public school can be (significantly) more expensive than those for private school. They will often also be boarding schools, whereas most private schools do not have this option. This is certainly the case near me, with the private school fee being about 14.5k a year, compared with 40k for boarders at the public school. Prince William and Prince Harry both attended public school, for example.
There are slight differences throughout Britain depending on where you live. Some areas have what is known as a two tier education system (Primary school - 4 to 11 year olds then Secondary or High school - 11 to 16 year olds including Sixth Form for 16 to 18 year olds). I live in the County of Tyne & Wear and we have a three tier education system ie First school - 4 to 9 year olds, Middle school - 9 to 13 year olds then High School incorporating Sixth Form - 13 to 18 year olds)
@William Tell We don't even have the same school year timetable. It's insane to me that the English are still working away when we Scots have already broken up for summer at the end of June.
When I was at Secondary School (in the '80's) we had not yet adopted the single numbering system throughout schooling. Hence, when I left Primary School and went to Secondary I started again as a '1st Year'. I moved from one school after my 5th year to another that had a 6th Form, hence the name 'Sixth Form' as it followed 5th form. This was then subdivided into 'Lower' and 'Upper' 6th Forms for A Levels (typically 3 subjects studied intensively for the entire two years) which decided what you could apply for to study at University where you studied a SINGLE subject for three years.
21:40 This is just about GSCEs subjects. Throughout the whole school journey, we also have optional subjects (in Infant and Junior schools). This means that you have the opportunity to shape yourself into what you believe is right for you!
Mine was nursery, infant school, junior school then high school. North West England n I'm pretty old now (about to turn 40yrs) so I know a lot things have changed since then. I think they nationalised schools more so they all follow the same or similar formats.
I'm in Bedfordshire and I was similar with lower, middle and upper x
“Everything devolves into slang”
I asked my friend what did she get for her degree. She said “unfortunately I got a Desi”
Desi= Desmond= Desmond tutu= 2.2 🤣
There’s also usually nursery and receptions which you go to before year 1 in England
England-
Nursery-3-4
Primary school-5-11
Secondary/high school-11-16
in yr 10 and 11, we take our GCSEs to determine what sixth form we go to + we get to drop 3 subjects.
Sixth form/college-17-18
you choose 3/4 subjects to specialise in then your exam results help you get into uni.
University-18+
also, sixth form+ we don't wear a uniform
Wasn't really talked about much in this video other then just mentioned. but in the UK in some cases if your grades are extremely high they will push you years ahead in education, for example by the time i was 13 years old i was doing both college A-levels as well as secondary school G.C.S.Es and in University by the age of 16.. which is a really weird experience when you look back on it as i would be with 16+'s when i was still much younger. Being pushed ahead in years isn't very common but there are a few cases where it does happen. I think the weirdest thing for me was for 4 days aweek i could wear what i want then for 1 day having to wear a uniform.
True, my brother was studying for a BA when he was 16 due to his incredible musical aptitude
I know people who had this in their secondary school and hated it. They felt singled out and a target for bullying. Was this your experience and do you think it's a good idea?
want a brownie point and sticker chart
I really enjoyed A-levels, you can choose your subjects. The exams are hard, but motivation to study is generally high, because you have some goal in mind, e.g. becoming a doctor, or you just enjoy your subject and want to do well.
A-levels are not compulsory by law, but most parents push their kids to do them, so there's less mucking about in class and more respect between teachers and students.
Just don't do too much weed before your coursework science experiment, or you won't have concentration and dexterity to put a small piece of tape onto a copper wire and measure it's young modulus. Like my friend did.
Are you sure it was your friend? ;)
@@diarmuidkuhle8181 I'm glad it wasn't me, because I got to listen to the teacher telling him to get a move on (in an angry Glaswegian accent)
It always amazes me that Americans wear a cap and gown just for finishing school. In the UK we get to wear a cap and gown only when we get a degree from a university. We do now have graduation parties at the end of school but no cap and gowns till you get a degree. I guess the Americans are super proud they managed to get to the end of high school, whoopdedo!
The general rationale for the uniforms: It limits bullying based on wealth. (And this is generally found to be true.)
As a Scotsman born in '82, my education went: 5-12 (Primary school), 13-18 (Secondary school (2 years of general studies, 2 years for standard grade (GCSE equiv) then two optional years for highers (And a higher course was 1 year long - and your highers were what determinded what could be studied at uni), University.
Australia has different education systems in each state, and even in any one state the curriculum can differ between schools. It certainly makes thing difficult for children of service personnel who get posted every other year. I have long advocated for a National education system with coordinated curriculae.
You’d be shocked by the Irish school system. Our Primary school is up to 6th class/6th grade aka 12yo. The our Secondary school is 12-18yo. You thought 12yo with 16yo was weird there are 12yo with 18yo… Then regular College like the US.
Learning Latin is a lot more practical than it sounds. I only have elementary level knowledge of French & German, but I'm fluent (I hope!) in English with no real knowledge of any other European language. But having picked up a smattering of Latin vocabulary through my private study as I got older, I can now read (or listen to,) various other languages, and can use my knowledge of Latin roots to often work out the general gist of what's being said. OK, so that doesn't mean I can converse in other languages, but at least I can usually tell what they might be saying about me!
Secondary school is a professional way of saying High School in the UK. Secondary School and High school are the same thing
America: loose dress codes, loose behaviour, loose attentiveness, and big egos.
England: uniforms to keep everyone on an equal footing, behaviour monitored both inside and outside the school (public can report bad behaviour), strict rules that all students are required to adhere to or suffer the consequences, and school pride.
I went to one of the very few secondary schools in Yorkshire that didn't require a uniform this was 79-84 so we had a fair few punks with spiked or mohawked hair & new romantics sort of early type goth but not as extreme it was an interesting time I loved it.
In England our kids start school at 3 (nursery) 4(reception class) 5,6,7,8,9,10 (years 1 through 6) this is all primary school. Ages 11 to 16 is senior school years 7 to 11 then college then university.
From my experience in the English school system.
- Pre-school: 3/4 years old. Mostly just play with other kids (introduction to other people)
- Nursery school: 3/4years old. Children can go to nursery rather than pre-school. Again kids just play together. (can be paired up with a reception class)
- Reception: 4/5 years old. Children are introduced to actually learning to read, write, spell and very basic maths.
- Primary school: Year 1 to Year6: 5/11 years old. Children get a basic education and in Year 6 they sit their SAT’S. Children start wearing uniforms until the end of secondary school.
- Secondary School (also know as high school or usually called an Academy): Year 7 to Year 11. Children go into further education and (depending on school/region) Year 10-11 do GCSE exam courses where you pick 2-3 extra subjects such as Child Development, Construction, Music or Drama (there are more options) as well as core subjects maths ,English and science (sometimes Year 9 also start the gcse course)
- College: Year 12-13: 16/18 years old. People start doing A-Levels which can be 1 single class or 3 different classes as it depends on the subject you choose (or apprenticeship etc) which is more advanced that GCSE exams. There are alternatives to college such as a ‘Sixth-Form’ which can be in a secondary/high-school but a different section of the school.
- University: 18 years old and onwards…
Extra: in GCSE years, if you are in secondary school, there can also be an option to go into a college to study and learn for GCSE’s but students will usually go back to their original school for the exams themselves (might be slightly off as I’ve only heard of people from my year doing that)
Just to confuse you more, the education structure in Scotland is different than it is in England. It starts out the same with Nursery School or Play School from around 2-4. Primary School from about 5-11. Secondary School or High School from about 12-17\18. When you go into 3rd year in high school, you choose your 3 favourite subjects (usually something you'll build on later as part of your career choice). You can leave high school at 16, if you want but you can choose to stay on for 5th and 6th year if you want to end up going to Uni. In Scotland there is a difference between Colleges and Universities; colleges tend to do vocational qualifications and Diploma type qualifications. To go further and gain Bachelors\Masters degrees you have to attend University. Scotland also has a higher standard of education so Scottish students tend to be about a year ahead of their counterparts in England.
In England the terms secondary school and high school are interchangeable. Kids aged between 11 and 16 attend.
There are two main reasons for school uniforms: to give a sense of identity and pride in the school and also to put all pupils on an even footing. Kids who don't wear the latest gear are likely to be bullied and criticised by their peers.
On my first day at school, I counted the number of people in the class - 53. I told my mother when I went home. She looked worried and said, 'That's too many'. When I told her that I had counted them, she sighed and said, 'Poor Miss McIntyre'. At the end of that first school year, everyone could read, even the boy who had turned up on the first day without shoes (I noticed that he had shoes within the week - thank you, Miss McIntyre). Of, course, only a few people at that stage could read as well as me!
The way I flinched and got ready to get up when I heard the bell at the end 😭😭
My secondary school (high school) didn't have a uniform, and it was exactly like that - everyone's like woah that's so out there!! And it was set up as a progressive school (weirdly also Catholic - it was a total anomaly!) We even called the teachers by their first names. Unfortunately it has now been sucked back into the stinking pit of conformity and is just like ever other school. There seems to be a particular push towards things like uniform, and academic achievement over student wellbeing at the moment here in England, which I think is a huge step backwards personally.
Trinity School by any chance? Some of the students there made a documentary that aired on Channel 4 just before I started going there. I experienced the beginning of changes, as we had the first principal to insist on being called by their surname just as I was starting sixth form.
@@martineyles Yes! I was there from 92 I think (?!) until 98 - idk I can't remember time lol!
@@abimyers2446 Wow, small world. Sounds like we overlapped most of our time there.
7:25 You’re completely correct, every school I went to required some kind of uniform that varied a bit from school to school (overall very similar tho), some of the clothes in these uniforms are: Black or grey trousers or a skirt of the school’s colours, a white shirt (long or short sleeve), a blazer, a tie, and smart-looking shoes
Class sizes can vary very widely, in my career in primary teaching I’ve taught classes as big as 42 and as small as 18, it just depends where you are, the funding and the way in which the calculations are made for the ‘average class size’ in the school if that is the way pupil intake is being decided on.
Right-
3-4 years old= nursery
5years old= reception
6- 7 = year one and two but in the same school as reception
8-11 years old= primary
12-16= secondary school (more commonly known as hell on Earth) we start studying GCSES in the last two years (15-16) and take the exams when we are 16
16-18= college or Sixth Form it’s your choice (Sixth Form is structured more like a school)
18-22/3/4 years= university most course are 3-4 years long but some can be longer or shorter. (Uni is optional)
He made this a little confusing, so when I was growing up in the 90s English schools most went like this:
Nursery = till age 4/5
Reception into Primary school = till age 11
Secondary school (the equivalent to high school) = from age 11 to 16, at 14 we take SAT exams for every subject which helps determine what level we'll do our GCSE exams at when we're 16, again for ever subject
Thereafter you have choices, you can either:
Move into a secondary school's sixth form (ages 16 to 18) to chose a subject to study for A level exams
We can find a college which takes 16yr old students, which is what I did
We can find a job and leave higher education either permanently or temporarily
Or we can do nothing and watch TH-cam all day.
Alot of people also go to Uni which generally starts for a person at 18, the college I attended at 16 gained University status so I stayed on to do my Degree.
We generally don't bother with a Middle school at all
When I was in school in the UK, it was called nursery, which was the same as your kindergarten, then after we go into the infants , then the juniors, then the seniors, then college and lastly university before going into working life. Everything he says about England schools are generally done throughout the UK & not just England. 🏴
"we go into the infants , then the juniors, then the seniors, then college and lastly university" None of that happens in Scotland. Here it's Nursery, Primary, Secondary, College/University. So, you might want to educate yourself as to what is universal in the UK, and what is specific to certain countries in the UK.
@@jackdubz4247 Don't need to actually, it's not serious enough to be that precise. So you need to get a life. Plus depends where & what year, most of the UK did it that way. And for you info some called it juniors some called it primary, but was the same thing. And I did.sau when I was in school, which you have no idea when that was.
In Scottish primary schools you leave at 12 and start secondary school as a 12/13 year old and finish at 17/18
Primary and Secondary can also be interchanged with Junior and Senior school, depending on county / style of school. Mandatory education used to finish at 16, with optional continuation lasting 2 years on average. They've raised the mandatory age to 18 now. Can't imagine being in a school as an 11/12 year old amongst 18 year olds - literal adults.
Another very poorly explained video by Laurence. He's made much complicated than it is. It's very simple ages 4-11 is primary school then ages 11-16 is high school then 16-18 is college or sixth form then 18+ is university so we have no middle school and 17 and 18 year olds don't go to high school and we pick specialised subjects to study in year 9 i.e. age 13 or 14 we just pick more advanced courses when we get to college and university level
There are also grammar schools in England which are in a few unique counties, where 10/11 year olds take what is basically and IQ test, and the top 25% are put in the same school. These are usually state secondary schools, although many have attached 6th forms, so it puts 11 year olds with 18 and 19 year olds.
Kindergarten is a German word..kinder = child, garten = garden. So 'child garden'. Class sizes vary a lot now, depending on area and population. It is quite common for inner city schools, especially in London, to have more than 30 children per class. My daughter-in-law was a Yr 1 teacher in London and there were 60 children in her class so she had a 'junior' teacher with her (a newly qualified teacher rather than a classroom assistant.)
I went to the one crazy wild school in the UK where we didnt have uniforms, "Stantonbury Campus", it was an amazing school and held out against the peer pressure to introduce them for 40 years but even they have succumbed now and introduced them now. :(
Kindergarten is a German word, when broken into two it's Kinder (children) and Garten (garden).
In England, we just don't really have middle school. My education span more or less was
Nursery (Aged 3)
Primary (4 to 11)
Secondary (12 to 18) - I stayed at my school for sixth form
University (19 to 21)
Some places do have a middle school. My big sister taught in one in Chelmsford for many years.
I respect you for finding out about how we do things over here
Basically ..... in America they have pre school(ages 3-5),kindergarten(ages5-6)elementary
(ages 6-11) middle(ages 11-13) high school (ages 13-18) and college (ages 18-20
In the uk the school is a lot more simple....we have nursery (ages 2-4),then we go to primary school with..... reception (ages 4-5) year 1 (ages 5-6) year 2 (ages 6-7) year 3 ( ages 7-8) year 4 (ages 8-9) year 5 (ages 9-10) year 6 (ages 10-11) where we take.our SATS.... then we advance to secondary school or as sometimes in the uk we call it high school where we go into year 7 (ages 11-12) year 8 (ages 12-13) year 9 (ages 13-14)....in year 9 we choose the subjects we want to study for our GCSE'S then we go into year 10 (ages 14-15) where we take mock GCSE exams to prepare us for the real thing..then we have year 11 (ages 15-16) where we then take our GCSE'S
Then we decide whether we want to go to college after year 11 at the age of 16 or stay on at school for an extra 2 years (sixth form) which means year 12 (ages 16-17) and then year 13 (ages 17-18)
Then you go to college or university or just not bother studying anymore and live your life
So you have 2 paths to choose from
U can go to college straight from year 11 or you can stay on in sixth form at school for the extra 2 years
State schools do not charge tuition fees. However, parents pay for uniforms, PE kits, stationery, and transport to school, which can add significantly to your cost of living. Some schools may also ask for a voluntary contribution to cover field trips or extramural school activities
Primary school is from year 1 till 6 - but reception and nursery is in the same building but portioned off from the rest of the school, there are some exceptions where nursery and primary are whole different institution/ buildings but norm is in same building
age 3 - nursery
age 4/5 - reception
age 5/6 - year 1
age 6/7 - year 2
age 7/8 - year 3
age 8/9- year 4
age 9/10- year 5
age 10/11 - year 6 - Sats a form of test that is carried out and given a grade. A petition is carried out where a child ranks 5 different secondary schools in the area they want to attend and the government allocates one to the child, if they don't like it another petition is submitted to the authorities highlighting the reason they cannot attend that school
Secondary school is from year 7 till year 11
age 11/12 - year 7
age 12/13 - year 8
age 13/14 - year 9
age 14/15 - year 10 - You pick GCSEs, choice is history, computing, psychology, triple science (chemistry, biology and physics), engineering, health and social care and a few other depending if the school can accommodate. Some standard ones each student has to take are English langwidge and literature, maths, PE, double science (less intensive than triple, if taking triple don't do double as its just same and a step up) - this is now taking changing and taking place in year 9
age 15/16 - year 11 - GCSE exams in year 11- this will determine your grades and what course you want to do choices year 12 + year 13 (Sixth-Form) or collage
Age 16-18 - year 12 + year 13 (Sixth-Form) or collage (collage isn't really given a year 12 or 13 because there can be 30 year olds etc)
Sixth Form can be attached to a secondary school such as another building or a wing/ floor solely for these students' age 16-18 i.e. I go to the Sixth form of Brentwood high school - pick 3 to 4 subjects (called A-levels) depending on how clever you are - chemistry, biology, maths further maths, psychology, history, geography, physics, photography, sport science - these A-levels exams will determine your future of university of straight job
collage entirely different to any schools it is its own institution/ company - is for mainly alternatives job orientated like, electrician, motor sports, mechanic, construction orientated, plumbing, civil service (police, child services,), hair and beauty, apprenticeships, GCSE retakes
University Age 18 - foreseeable future depending on course (majority 3 years, pharmacy is 4 compulsory 4th year masters, doctors is 5 years excluding placement and specialisation when leave university), level of study wanted (BSc ->masters ->PHD etc) - your ability to attend university is determined by your A-levels, both the grade and which ones you choose. Each university has an entry requirement for you to have done specific A levels and grades, also requirements on your GSCE English language, literature and maths in total 5 GCSEs at A* to C in total. There are some collage courses that are equivalent to A-levels that can get you into university.
University choice is based on your pick of 5 and the course you want to attend, then a personal statement only 1 that is submitted to all your 5 university picks and interviews if they call you.
I think this is everything let me know if i missed something out thanks
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I attended a uk independent boarding school which had from nursery, the year 1 to yr 9 was referred as junior school then year 10 to year 11 was senior school and different uniform was worn from the juniors to the seniors. My class size was 12 students and that was the entire year, there were no other students in that year group. Same with every year group. After GCSE's we would go to college to either study at college for A levels/ or other courses from vocational to more inadept courses on specific subjects you had to get a relative amount of points from UCAS that adds up your grades from GCSE's and any A level/or previous degrees/certificates to get a place at university if you didn't get enough points you can do an extra year at university to do a foundation degree which is basically an introductory course that runs around a year to progress to your master degree then bachelor degree then if choose to PHD
i love lawrence! lost in the pond is a great channel.
Going back into the dawn of civilization when I was at school it was
4-7 infants
8-11junior school
these were collectively know as primary (first) school.
11-18 secondary school with years 1-5 then lower 6th and upper 6th
18-21 or so university or tertiary education.
From memory I didn't have a uniform at primary school but secondary school for all years was a grey suit (all boys school). When my kids were at school the last 2 years non uniform attire was "business dress" for both sexes.
As far as the length of university courses go my daughter was to do her 3rd (sandwich year of her 4 year Geography degree) in Wisconsin. The only subject based courses she could find there were Masters level stuff. My clinical degree of 3 years in the UK would take me 8 years (4 year bachelor's then 4 years doctoral school) to complete.
As someone who has forever lived in england my ‘preschool’ was separated into nursery playgroup then reseption year which for was called foundation 1 and 2 and was in the same school and year 1,2,3,4,5, and 6