Bella and Edward are the least interesting thing in the twilight world. This could have been a big fantasy series but it’s just a kind of annoying but guilty pleasure love story between 2 people obsessed with each other.
SERIOUSLY! That's what i wanted to say with this video, but I think you did a better job saying that in one comment than i did the whole 30 minute video
@@Prince_the_One Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, even Percy Jackson and Magic the Gathering trading cards; those are big fantasy series. This was a one hit wonder in the grand scheme of things
As a person who hated Twilight back then because the love story was so bad, hearing you describe the lore actually made it sound so cool. Also, very cool that you were a guy who liked Twilight. Looking back, while there were a lot of valid criticisms of Twilight, a lot of it also just boiled down to people being mad that the sparkly vampires were not “manly” enough. It’s nice that everyone can look back on it and see both the good and bad.
There's super weird parts of the lore (like melanin being "burned away" by the venom, making all vampires white af). That garbage aside, the best parts of the Twilight world building are the side characters.
I’d like to point out that Twilight wasn’t always the most hated franchise. It was really popular if you recall the Twilight In Forks stuff. And a lot of us still enjoy it today.
Yes, certainly superior to the ripp off and awful 50 Shades "books". I will always like it. Something that I enjoy and find the world fascinating is something I don't tire of. I also don't judge it or expect it to be perfect. Nothing is!
Not all shapeshifters are the same. The classic werewolves are victims of attacks by another werewolf, just like vampires. The Native American shapeshifters is an outgrowth of their religious practices. Skinwalkers are considered witches, and totally evil. It would be a grievous calumny to call Jacob and the wolf pack skinwalkers.
I think Twilight is kind of coming back into interest. To be honest, besides the cringy whole weird romance plot that drives the story, the world of twilight is interesting and barely tapped into. For example, a whole vampire government and all that implies, the Quiletes and the whole history and lore surrounding their tribe, and the fact that some vampires can develop special gifts. I want to dive more into those concepts instead of the obsessive romance that we were ultimately given!
I agree completely! Stuff like the children of the Moon, and other shape shifting native Americans, and spirit walkers, got mentioned, but were never seen! There's so much lore to explore.
There’s a former Mormon woman who did a reading of the books and blogged about it, which provided a lot of insight for me. For example, the volturi in Italy is a reference to the divide between Mormons and Catholics, where Mormons scoff at Catholics for needing an authority to address god, while mormonism is directly connected to god.
I feel that mormonism is a cult. I also feel that catholicism is a cult. They both have secrets that they don't share with the public. I live in a city that was founded by mormons but I'm not a mormon. I don't understand why people pick this religion since it is obviously a cult! I am, however, a Twilight fan (both books & movies). I watch it everytime it comes on TV.
If I could change one thing from twilight it would be Jacob imprinting I would just make so that when he sees her that instead of imprinting on her he noticed how mush she reminds him of Bella realizes that killing her is something that Bella wouldn’t want and then go out and join the fight to protect her
Jacob didn't choose to imprint & the wolves knew that. If Nes decided to link with someone else much later, Jacob wud still protect her. I found it more weird how he imprinted from that distance. He wasn't even holding the baby lol
@@monet2779 Jacob just becoming the alpha would have solved this tho. it's something that happens anyways and we already know they can't go against what the alpha says.
I always felt the issue with Edward having lived so many more years than Bella was less about the age difference, and more a question of how he could possibly be attracted to someone with fewer experiences. Edward is frozen at 17. His body and his mind are stuck at that level of development. He as a character would be super impulsive and immature, at least that’s probably how the writing should have portrayed him. Bella is naturally 17 when they meet. He has been around longer, but he is at the same level of development she is. So it’s definitely different than an actual old man being interested in a young woman. Edward is physically and mentally a young man. So my question really isn’t whether it’s appropriate. My question is, if you had seen decades of culture, knowledge, discoveries, and advancements, why would you be interested in someone who didn’t share any of those experiences? It can happen in real life to two real people who are the exact same age. Let’s say one of them spends a year studying abroad, or going on a world tour somehow, and they come back knowing so much and having seen so many things that you don’t see when you never leave the place where you grew up. How could that person be attracted to someone who knew about none of it? That doesn’t make the other person bad, not all of us can go and do those things. You have to have the time, the money, etc. And in Twilight it’s not Bella’s fault that she is naturally 17 and hasn’t lived for a century. But even so, Edward, who was born in 1901, has seen two world wars, the discovery of penicillin, the invention of rock and roll, various civil rights movements, and tons of other historic events. Bella has read about it all in school, but she wasn’t there. She didn’t see it all happen. Personally, if I had seen all those things, I would be much more interested in dating someone who also had. I just don’t think Bella and Edward actually have anything in common. And that’s not either of their faults, but it makes it so tough to understand why they’re so in love. Anyway, that’s a bigger question for me than the ethics of someone frozen mentally and physically at 17 falling for someone who is naturally mentally and physically 17. Seriously, the only difference is that he’s been 17 ~for a while~
I don't really think someone lacking in a ton of life experience makes them unattractive or attractive, it can be an interesting bonus to their personality I guess and going through all that would definitely change a person but you can't really help who u love but also who else would Edward date 😭🤣 his only options on the life experience factor as much as he has are old ( or dead already because he's 100+) ladies and the fact he's physically 17 idk if any older women would go for him either lmaoo he's still technically a minor 🤣🤣
@@Sani-wk8ug Yes, and of course the desire to murder her lol. Those were the things he first noticed about her, leading him to develop a fascination. What I question is why they not only fell in love, but stayed in love. I feel like they would have later realized they didn’t have enough in common to be together. But this is all just my opinion on two fictional characters, you know?
I agree with you in as far as you say that Edward has remained frozen at the age of 17 so that he really cannot be seen as "much older" than Bella. But even though he has more experiences than Bella, he does not learn from these experiences in the same way that a human would; if he is frozen at the stage of maturity of a 17-year-old, these experiences will not cause him to mature beyond this age. I think this is actually the reason why in the Twilightverse, it is essentially forbidden to make children into vampires because they are altogether uncontrollable as far as their impulses are concerned and cannot be made to mature through "teaching" or "experiences" because they have been "frozen" and these simply do not affect them. As for the vampires that have been turned at a later stage of their maturity, they can at least compensate for the lack of maturity through their higher-developed roleplaying skills; they can appear to be more mature than they actually are. Occasionally, also, it boils down to the role expectations in the century in which the individual was turned into a vampire: Carlisle, for instance, was turned at age 23 in the 17th century, and at that time you were already acting as a fully trained adult at that age (Carlisle was a physician), i.e. he was much more mature much earlier than a 23-year-old in the 21st century.
"The Twilight fandom is completely dead" Me: **sweats, thinking about my active twilight tumblr blog I made in december that now has 500 followers** yeah....the fandom is dead.......
This video is recent. It’s so weird that I rewatched all the movies last night and when I came on TH-cam , there’s like recent video uploads on twilight haha like is everyone just getting into it again. It was dead for a while
Your phone's mic prolly picked up some lines from the movie while it was listening for ad words, to send you targeted ads. Google reccomends TH-cam videos the same way they recommend ads for people. But regardless, I'm glad you found the video! Seeing less people talk about the movies is one of the main things that made me want to talk about them. If you're looking for more Twilight videos, Amanda the Jedi, Big Joel, and Lindsay Ellis have great videos on the series
I am 70 yrs old and have this year retired. The career I had did not let me sit down and relax long enuff to watch a movie. I was languishing one after noon in my newfound freedom, and watched the whole series!!! I was so enthralled with it I had to watch it twice!!!! The only other movie I have ever watched twice is Young Frankenstein Lolol According to all these TH-cam clips, I think I’m weird! Is THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME??? Haha
I wonder if renesmee and Jacob end up falling inlove and a half vampire half werewolf is born maybe voltori see it as abomination that will end up in war. Since renesmee is half human as well she can able to bear child
Stephanie Myers was/is sitting on a veritable gold mine. There is such a rich background to all the characters, even Edward he was at one time a serial killer of serial killers. But all the other covens with their powerful or semi powerful vamps and the wolves are so much more interesting
Messenger: A child of the moon Van Helsing killed Dracula... Aro: My sweet brother is dead... Finally... Caius freaks out: Child of the moon? Where? Van Helsing: Here... Caius: (Screams)
And a point about the imprinting, honestly she could have done it like the other wolf stories and made the imprinting happen at an older age and not the creepy way, but then again Jacob imprinting on nessie is what saved her
The intro made me emotional so I’m gonna stick around and watch because I used to love twilight too !!! Everyone in my school in Florida was reading the books when the first movie came out so I dived in! Still one of my favorite series even though it hasn’t aged very well.
I had the exact same experience with the series tbh, all my friends loved it when we were kids, and as we grew older, we made fun of the series, but we still went to see the new movies every year!
Twilight vampires are basicaly crystals who need blood and are in a physical flesh vessel also there abilities are like manifestations like crystals and they glow in sun lol this is basically mocking my people but twisted up.. but yea i like Twilight vampires lore and the shifters and children of moon also so many subliminals in the movies and lore if you decode it its crazyyy👁 also shifters have cousin tribes who turn to other animals imagine shifted bear way bigger fatser etc bird etc
I always thought that vampires in Twilight were also a bit like superheroes because they each have a special power, which is not really part of traditional vampire lore. And that special superpower seems to be dormant in the individual even before they become a vampire. Thus Edward is telepathic but he is intrigued by Bella because he cannot read her mind, which points to her innate ability to "shield" herself. And later as a vampire be becomes a fully-fledged "shield" with the ability to protect against all sorts of attacks. It is almost as if Stephenie Meyer uses the Mormon tenet that people can "ascend" and be "perfected" to suggest that what Edward does to Bella when turning her is not an "evil" thing, but actually perfects her; she is a totally unremarkable girl while she is human, but becoming a vampire actually seems to allow her to fulfil her innate potential to the fullest extent possible. In classical vampire literature, vampires are suggested to be demons by the church, they are the Antichrist (which is also why a crucifix is a ward against them), whereas Meyer actually reinterprets them to be something in conformity with her Mormonist faith.
Not sure if I'm getting recommendations of twilight BC I've clicked on 2 videos or BC I've been doing research about mormons lmao 🤦🏽 Family member has become part of the church soooooo. Still find it hilarious that 50 shades started as an edward x bella fanfic tho, and the fact that she meyers is mormon makes it so much funnier xD
It's probably both, haha, the algorithm is smart like that. Oh geez, that's rough. Yeah that is pretty hilarious, I wonder how she feels knowing that exists as a result of her works lmao
@@SuperSwimTeam7 computers are becoming too smart man, get ready to bring out em tinfoil hats (jk) It aint that bad tbh. They had wanted to become mormons since a young age but we come from generations of roman catholics so it was a no no back then. I'm just happy for them, and the people I've met so far (which isn't much) seem to be kind and don't seem to follow the darker things the religion may be doing. It is sad about all the dirty work they had done to be honest, but I'm personally not surprised. So many religions and churches have done/do so much bad things but people refuse to ignore many. That being said though, I'm not trying to defend or being on their side, and will continue looking into it. I think there was one interview were they asked Meyers about it and it looked like she was about to bring out her inner karen, but managed to hold it lmao. Good video BTW! Dont know if ive seen your channel before, but will keep an eye out for ya!
I'm late to the party but it was awesome of you to make this video. This should be eye opening for a lot of people, it was for me. I read the series when I was 14 and of course just thought it was a really sweet love story. Now that I'm older I understand how creepy and wrong it is. Also I really, really hate the religious undertones in it and the whole message of "even if the pregnancy is killing you you shouldn't have an abortion". Now that I think about it I bet all these big politicians we have nowadays are Twilight fans 😂
You have no idea how much it warms my heart to hear that you had a good takeaway from the vid, the religious undertones were really swept under the rug at the time
@@SuperSwimTeam7 it was actually very insightful! Seriously, like I said I read the series for the first time when I was 14 but later read it again when I was 16 and I did not pick up on them. When Midnight Sun started appearing on walmart shelves last year I decided to pick up a copy and while reading it I really started to question the series. Now I can officially say that I see it for the toxic crap that it is. Not saying its crap cause it was written poorly, no, it's crap because of the poor message it's sending to a young audience.
So let me get this right the children of the Moon are so dangerous and powerful that the volturi pacifically hunted them down to Extinction instead of the wolf shifters explain how freaking powerful are these werewolves???
I think there is a difference between being a werewolf and a shapeshifter - for a werewolf, the process is involuntary and only occurs at the full moon; the "werewolves" in Twilight are essentially shapeshifters (much like animaguses in the Potterverse), i.e. after that ability has awakened in them with the onset of puberty, they have a certain degree of influence on whether and when they transform, though it also seems to be triggered somewhat by instinct.
That's the best Twilight take possible. So much wasted potential, from the lore of the native american shape shifters to the real werewolf children of the moon, they could've done witches or vampire hunters, all that would've been more interesting than the current gender bent books, and Midnight Sun.
@@SuperSwimTeam7 exactly, I wish there was more on the Volturi. I’m pretty sure a book on them would be much better. They could’ve made a whole book on the children of the moon vs the Volturi, that would’ve been awesome. I only read the first book because it was in a book pile that I got, and I only reread them because of everything else. (But with the Life and Death book, I felt it was better than the original book series because it ended at the first book)
I still remember when you cudnt even say much about Twilight without ppl thinking you're just defending it for the sake of defending it. But it is a let down when you can see potential in the world building but the execution or plot focus falls flat. I also found the lore behind the "Eternals" movie fascinating since I never read much on them in comics. We all know how the reviews turned out...
The vampires don't glitter, actually. The sun reflects off their skin. Also, the forcefield you described Bella having is only mental. It wouldn't shield most attacks. Jasper and Alice's powers would not be affected because they affect other things that Bella can't defend. Violet's shield that you described is purely physical.
A weird lore series would be amazing, you got me excited when you mentioned a filthy frank video. There's already an incredible video compilation that ties his videos lore together but I'd love to hear your thoughts and veiws on it.
Hell yeah, ngl I've been taking notes on it, and I want to use it as a way to explain TH-cam as an open source multiverse,and talk about Lotus, and some other people that have built their lore ontop of Frankus
I loved the books. Rosalie was my favorite and I wanted more of her. She lacked a more detailed back story and history. My family name is Skinaway so that says so much about the skin walkers. Great video and breakdown
Alice is great a million times better then Eddy Boy and the bland piece of toast called Bella. Also the lore is a million times more interesting then the love story schlock we’re meant to suffer through. And yes the imprinting nonsense is extremely fucked up. Also a weird lore series would be awesome.
I loath Twilight with all my soul, but I admit that the side characters like Jasper and Rosalie had far more interesting backstories than Bella "Her Whininess" Swan.
Yes, I agree with you that the imprinting concept is extremely negative because apart from the notion that abortion is never OK even if done in order to save the mother, imprinting can result in your staying within a relationship that is extremely toxic or violence, i.e. if domestic violence occurs in such a case you have to stay with your partner because it is an eternal things, and as far as I can remember such a pairing also does occur in Twilight (Sam and Emily, but I am not sure right now).
Jacob betrothed to a baby isn't that farfetched when you think about it. Anime is very popular with subtle hints like that. Inuyasha - Sesshomaru wanted to mate with Rin who was like an 8 year old girl at the time. The author of Inuyasha stated that he would have taken Rin as his mate when she was old enough.
And sometimes you even find it in classics of English literature such as Jane Austen's Emma, where it is mentioned that Mr. Knightley can remember holding Emma in his arms when she was still a baby (he is 17 years older than she). Stephenie Meyer is a huge Jane Austen fan; it may be that she has the Jacob/Renesmee imprinting from this. (She also mentioned that the description of Bella's wedding dress was inspired by the regency aesthetic in the Jane Austen books.) But more likely it's a Mormon thing according to which certain people could be destined for each other and their union was made in Heaven. There is also a concept like "sealing" which does seem to be part of the marriage ceremony but not just marriage; It seems to be designed to seal members of a family to each other for eternity. There is very much the drift in the Twilight books that if you fall in love with a person, it is not mere lust but that you want to be with this person forever.
❤ 2024 ❤ The Twilight fandom is the biggest movie fandom other than Harry Potter. 2nd or 3rd highest growest movie ever, Harry Potter or Titanic was 1st.
They explain these in a series of short films, (the powers) Alice could see the future like a psychic and jasper was just very good at managing his emotions and helping others with theirs during the war. They say Edward was very good at reading the room and body language therefore knew what people were thinking. They don’t necessarily have powers but their abilities would sometimes evolve when they turned.
Hahaha Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum!!! I laughed far too hard when Bella got mad at Jacob for imprinting on her new born. I lost it I was laughing too hard. It’s just absurd.
Best movies - the quality, the fact that they left things in a more respectful manner true into the story so much so that it was overly intense removing all that over sexual content made you drawn to this movie like you didn’t know what was happening. This is why it was so well-made absolutely
When I was a teen I refused to read or watch the twilight stories, the love story aspect just seemed so corny and celebrating toxicity, and I was so sick of toxic romances. Until a service user in a soup kitchen for homeless teens and young adults that I volunteered at sort of challenged me to read the books, saying not to think of it as a romance but a psycholical thriller. He lent me his books and I gave them a go and loved them. They're books that really get the brain thinking and introduce a world and lore that is easy to slip yourself into and explore in daydreams, fanfic or the like. To me the romance aspects were just a surface level distraction from the real depth of the within the story. I saw it as a philosophical exploration of morality, mortality, good vrs evil, what it means to be human, beliefs and trauma, souls and soulessness. But also covered topics such as social apathy, as most of the plot is ignored almost wilfully by the majority of the humans around them, who don't want to look too closely, and vamps cos it serves them for humans to be ignorant. There's also an exploration of how mortality impacts morality, such as "some crimes dont seem like crimes cos vampire rules/norms are different" and can we judge vampire behaviours from human moral perspectives? Never mind the religious undertones, bith through the subcontrxt of Mormonism that seeps into the pages, but also through Carlisle, Edward and even Aros religious views on their soullessness. Plus the Cullen's also give themselves more rules than other vampires cos they try to fit in with humans to an extent, almost trying to cling to their humanity while battling their own mostrous nature. But then again are vampires only monsteous cos most never bother trying to battle those instincts, dont see why they should and are the cullens right to try. To us, as humans, cos we think they are but does than mean all vampires who arent vampires are automatically evil? The ladt book subtly queries this. Is it monsterous when they need to eat humans, or is that just deem monstrous cos were their food. Are we monsters from the cows perspective? Etc. And there's exploration in the books of why they cling to their humanity. We see in the last book just how different the Cullens are from other vampires, they hold onto more the the love and family bonds than most vampires do that enables their clan to be more a family than a clan. We see most vampires, the main exceptions being the Volturi and Cullens, stay in small groups that are prone to betrayal and change, if not just mated pairings. Does clinging to their humanity make them better vampires? Plus the exploration of extra powers as something every human could have the protential to be magical vampires but just dont cos its not easy for vamps to make other vampires cos its hard to not bite and kill, due to the "must eat" overwhelming bloodlust that few try to resist within their vampire lives. Maybe the humans who, like Bella, seem to be innately inclined towards vampirism are the descendants of hybrids? I can easily imagine, back when there were multiple varieties of humans in the world, then maybe vampires were just another type of human that couldn't breed and replicate as successfully as homosapiens, but still dominated the food chain in their own way. Its well known we, homosapiens, have Neandathal dna mixed with out own due to interal special relations. Easy to imagine back then homosapiens and vampires exsisting more mutually aware of each other. Then theres the laws and exploration of police/government oversight for nomadic superpowered creatures that dont have set rooted locations but are nobadic across multiple human ciktures and communities whilst still be influenced by human culture. Are the Volturi worthy of their power and why dont the Cullen's stand up to overrule them, etc. their cruelty seems excessive to us the readers from our humanist perspective and told through the perspective of vampires who're trying to be more human than vampire. Within their vamp culture its sort of seen as understandable why the Volturi are so violently extreme cos when you're a supernatural being against other mostly equally powerful supernatural beings its a different social dynamic and consequences (hense why Aro likes to collect superpowered vampires in his coven). If humans break the law, we cant put in prison and most of us dont have the ability to break out or fight back. But if vampires break the law they put the whole species at risk and can't be put in jail, no jail could hold them. Its obey the few rules or die cos thats the only way their culture can continue to thrive when their food, if aware of them, can distroy them (nukes would kill vamps too, its superheated fire afterall). So from a humanist perspective, the Volturi are despicable and not deserving of power, but from the vampires perspective someone has to enforce laws and who'd want that responsibility when they could just being enjoying a nonadic life snacking on the odd human. Heck even the Cullen's arent interested in changing the status quo within vampire culture, they just want to live their lives, not have power or responsibility over other vampires, etc. even in the last book, the Cullen's collected other vampires together not to fight the volturi but to make sure they got a fair trial in the hopes of a non violent outcome. And it worked (though probably more due to Aro not having a way to safely kill them without loosing face within the community of witnesses and without loss to his ranks of carefully controlled superpowered vampires than due to any actual justice or shared vampire rights). These books are dark and deep and brutal. After Nessy, we find out about the vampire in south America who grapes woman to make hybrids. The vampire world, outside of the cullens, is a brutal society within the shadows of our societies. I've always wondered if the wolves got their transformative powers due to hybrid traits in their genes from a hybrid in accent times who paired with a human and those traits desended down the tridial lines until a vampire threat triggered those traits to be activated as powers based on the tribes cultural beliefs, hense why wolf form in their tride. Maybe other tribes around the world have other animal transformations or other powers all together. If true then the imprinting thing itself is probably also a left over trait from the vamp DNA as when vampires mate they mate for life. It's easy to see Bella and Edwards obsession with one another as its own kind of imprinting, especially as the pain of separation for Bella and Edward is similar to what's discribed as it would be for imprinted wolf pairings, just without the awareness or language that Jacobs tribe use. Eg when Rose tells us about how she saw Emmett being attacked by a bear and knew she had to save him and spend her life with him. She essentially discribed imprinting on Emmett without the tribes terminology and understanding. The bond tween bella and Edward is also similarly sudden, weakened only due to her being human same as Jacob was obsessed with her cos he was fated to imprint on hr child. Its weird and messed up, but the magic, for lack of better terms, in the twilight universe isn't one of free will that we'd associate with love in our reality. Also, the love stuff in itself is a a philosophical exploration of freewill and obsessive, healthy or unhealthy love. It's such a fascinating univtto mentally explore. Especially for its timez as the grand climax is non violent was so refreshing in a way, considering how violent their cukture is youd expect a big fight cos thats what we, humans, would've probably done. They're all ready for a fight, especially some of the Cullen's witnesses, that ultimately it doesn't happen cos they're too evenly footed which makes Aro uncomfortable as he's not at an obvious advantage in this match, super strong and powerful as vampires are, their biggest threat is each other. So theres an exploration of power itself within a culture or community. Which leaves you wondering and exploring the Volturis motivation and what would happen next. Is Aro biding his time until he can get revenge of the Cullen's and get alice into his little club, whilst also being naturally curious about how the cullens function as a clan when it takes so much effort and manipulation on his part of hold his army together (literally one of the superpowered vamps in his "clan" has the piwer to influence relationships and is used to motivate loyalty to him). Aro is such a compelling villain cos hes smart, cunning, curious and clearly immoral in a inhuman sense. When immortal children were a thing, within vampire culture, its mentioned that the Volturi tried their own experimentations to determine if there was a way to teach children. Meaning they knowingly put children of different ages through rhe torture of being turned and then experimented on only to be killed. So its safe to assume that the volturi will be moving forward to mame experiments abiut hybrids next. Especially wirh what we know of Aros psychology. The other characters, not bella kf Edward, are the most intriguing aslect of the stories. Their traumas, beliefs, values, etc.
thank you for reading the books before making your lore video you would not believe how often i click on twilight lore videos and the person says "So i've only watched the movies" cause at that point i know more than them
I grew up with em before I grew out of em! Not a lot of people have that context, they're either blinded by nostalgia or can't understand the context of culture when they were released
I remember that they said the shapeshifters (wolfs) don't age as long as a vampire is nearby not that they can stop their aging soooo I think that point was wrong if I'm wrong just let me know why I'm wrong
Charlie has a weaker form of Bella's power, it's mentioned by Edward he can not hear properly what Charlie is thinking, his thoughts are scrambled when Edward tries to listen to it.
There's so much lore that's under explained and underutilized by twilight. Stuff like that, plus the "real" werewolves they mention, and vampire hunters. They mention all this cool stuff and then never do anything with it
I like how some of the things mentioned in the books were based off real Lore and real religions.. I like the Fiction tales of the Twilight series.. some of it doesn't make sense but its Fiction...keep that in mind.
I do, considering that grooming and raping children are probably two of the worst things you could ever do in life, and Mormons have made it a part of their religion
@@SuperSwimTeam7 dont know much about mormans but i dont see much of their religion in the films, sounds like you dislike twilight simply because a morman wrote it
I read the twilight graphic novel randomly as cuz I was in middle school when this dropped out of sheer curiosity. I don’t remind a thing about it. I’m making this comment at 1:47 I already believe this video is is a 11/10
You must have been young, when that movie first came out. Because you totally missed the point. I don't mean to be critical but I thought that you where going to reveal the secrete things, about that movie. G.
I did, it's Mormon propoganda to normalize child marriage amongst the masses. There it is. That's the secret. It's religious propoganda to push Meyers values.
I was late to Twinkle. I wanted to do a spoof about a teen girl that thinks all the vampires love her but they're all flamingly gay. And they twinkle in the sun. So. ... Twinkle. But I enjoyed them. Of course it's disgusting for Edward to date her. It's even worse that he allowed her to marry him at 18 and have a child. But.... Were talking magical soul mate that roamed an empty life searching for YOU, ONLY YOU for a hundred years Just chock it up to the story and move past it.
@@SuperSwimTeam7 I really like it i think it looks awesome. i might download. Now its call Super Swim Team 7 2000. I think you should make more Spider mans video I liked the Spider man 2000 memes those where and still are funny. LOL
I allowed myself to enjoy them. I hope you can find it in your super cool heart to forgive me for the breathtakingly evil attitude of letting my appreciation for an interesting story and fun action scenes overcome my total disdain for cliche. Oh wait! I can handle a Bit O' Cliche. Stay too cool for school.
More attractive? Omg it's like when they say you know what 3D is to s being in 2D? Imagine 4D and I just can't fathom that. I don't think I can be more beautiful. Oh am I already a vampire? Well I do look 25 at 50 and I suddenly find young boys attractive. I mean like 25. Just clarifying since I'm in infant soulmate territory
I will say this tho. Once, while trying to fathom 4D, I was outside a taco bell and I looked at the window and saw the reflection of two palm trees that resembles eyes. A picture hanging on the the farthest wall inside, resembled a nose and the door handle resembles a smile. These things in various places, sizes, and shapes came togerher to create the perception of an image of a man smiling. That's as close as I can get to understanding 4D But it's pretty fucking riveting huh?
Yes, that's true, at one point he admits that he always loved Bella because he loved her (then still potential) daughter through her, as if he wanted to be close to her for the mere fact that one day she would bear a daughter she would imprint on. It is also a somewhat political/dynastic thing because it makes him claim his place as werewolf "royalty" within the pack (he founds a new pack/cadet line apart from the old one, which also contains the Clearwater siblings, and makes himself into the alpha and Leah into his "beta"). It essentially contributes to forming an alliance between the vampires and the werewolves which is also directed against the ancient vampire aristocracy of the Volturi. And it is essentially sealed through the union of two individuals from the respective factions.
Yep, TH-cam picks up on certain words If you say them in the first 10 minutes or so, and so I had to blur that one, so to speak. I say it out loud at the end of the video, but the way Jacob goes after Bella's daughter, it seems like an apt comparison
@@SuperSwimTeam7 I’ve read the book and you’re right. He sees what he wants and is like play dough; he does whatever he needs to do to be what she wants they make it seem romantic but it’s so creepy
Agreed, I didn't bat an eye when I was a teen reading it, but as an adult it makes me cringe. The worst part is how Twilight tries to normalize it, and then when you compare that to how Mormons marry 15 year old girls and younger... Ew. Just eck. Gross. Compare that to the vampire chronicles from Anne Rice, there's a lot of messed up subject matter there, everything from incest to characters with the minds of adults stuck in the bodies of children, but in those books they never try to make it seem normal, they play on the fact that this is wrong and sinful as a plot point. They don't try to make it seem normal or acceptable, rather TVC often shows that these people are in pain because of their trauma and affliction, the series isn't without flaws if it's own, but it doesn't romanticize the state of its characters suffering, it doesn't use that to push an agenda, Vampire books often cover taboo subject matter, but Twilight is the only one to try and make it's weird gross shit seem normal and acceptable through the subtext of its lore and narrative.
I’m pretty sure Twilight was never hated... ( unless by those who don’t read and only watch movies) high schools around the United States began having twilight parties. Now with the new book... it’s blown up all over again!! So your video is outdated buddy
Nowhere near as weird as the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice tho, the main character that Tom Cruise plays in the movie fucks his mom, and they got a show on AMC right now. Anxiously awaiting the season three flashback season.
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"Dead fandom" nope, the Twilight Renaissance is going strong in 2020.
Yass! especially with Midnight Sun full book not draft version dropping in August! *edited tto explain full book not draft
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Agree :)
2023 and the fandom is thriving!
Still goong strong in 2023/2024+
Bella and Edward are the least interesting thing in the twilight world. This could have been a big fantasy series but it’s just a kind of annoying but guilty pleasure love story between 2 people obsessed with each other.
SERIOUSLY! That's what i wanted to say with this video, but I think you did a better job saying that in one comment than i did the whole 30 minute video
Super Swim Team 7 definitely subscribing, great content.
@@cheyennerose2177 Thank you so much!
lol it WAS a big fantasy series
@@Prince_the_One Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, even Percy Jackson and Magic the Gathering trading cards; those are big fantasy series. This was a one hit wonder in the grand scheme of things
As a person who hated Twilight back then because the love story was so bad, hearing you describe the lore actually made it sound so cool. Also, very cool that you were a guy who liked Twilight. Looking back, while there were a lot of valid criticisms of Twilight, a lot of it also just boiled down to people being mad that the sparkly vampires were not “manly” enough. It’s nice that everyone can look back on it and see both the good and bad.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!! That's exactly why I made it, because there are aspects of the lore that are interesting outside the romance aspect!
There's super weird parts of the lore (like melanin being "burned away" by the venom, making all vampires white af). That garbage aside, the best parts of the Twilight world building are the side characters.
I’d like to point out that Twilight wasn’t always the most hated franchise. It was really popular if you recall the Twilight In Forks stuff. And a lot of us still enjoy it today.
Yes, certainly superior to the ripp off and awful 50 Shades "books". I will always like it. Something that I enjoy and find the world fascinating is something I don't tire of. I also don't judge it or expect it to be perfect. Nothing is!
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Not all shapeshifters are the same. The classic werewolves are victims of attacks by another werewolf, just like vampires. The Native American shapeshifters is an outgrowth of their religious practices.
Skinwalkers are considered witches, and totally evil. It would be a grievous calumny to call Jacob and the wolf pack skinwalkers.
Athena Stewart I think he referred to the ancestors of the shapeshifters as “Spirit Walkers” not Skinwalkers.
I think Twilight is kind of coming back into interest.
To be honest, besides the cringy whole weird romance plot that drives the story, the world of twilight is interesting and barely tapped into.
For example, a whole vampire government and all that implies, the Quiletes and the whole history and lore surrounding their tribe, and the fact that some vampires can develop special gifts.
I want to dive more into those concepts instead of the obsessive romance that we were ultimately given!
I agree completely! Stuff like the children of the Moon, and other shape shifting native Americans, and spirit walkers, got mentioned, but were never seen! There's so much lore to explore.
There’s a former Mormon woman who did a reading of the books and blogged about it, which provided a lot of insight for me. For example, the volturi in Italy is a reference to the divide between Mormons and Catholics, where Mormons scoff at Catholics for needing an authority to address god, while mormonism is directly connected to god.
I feel that mormonism is a cult. I also feel that catholicism is a cult. They both have secrets that they don't share with the public. I live in a city that was founded by mormons but I'm not a mormon. I don't understand why people pick this religion since it is obviously a cult! I am, however, a Twilight fan (both books & movies). I watch it everytime it comes on TV.
@@anylove370 Where can I find this? It sounds super interesting
I think you would want to create a bunch of twists and turns in the story and make it more into a ridiculous soap opera that never ends.
If I could change one thing from twilight it would be Jacob imprinting I would just make so that when he sees her that instead of imprinting on her he noticed how mush she reminds him of Bella realizes that killing her is something that Bella wouldn’t want and then go out and join the fight to protect her
The only thing is him imprinting actually prevents the rest of the werewolves from killing her and fighting the rest of the cullens.
Jacob didn't choose to imprint & the wolves knew that.
If Nes decided to link with someone else much later, Jacob wud still protect her.
I found it more weird how he imprinted from that distance.
He wasn't even holding the baby lol
@@monet2779 Jacob just becoming the alpha would have solved this tho. it's something that happens anyways and we already know they can't go against what the alpha says.
not everyone hated it and it still has a fan base
The lesbians were with you for alice
An I, with them!
She was better than Bella
Gosh me too
I always felt the issue with Edward having lived so many more years than Bella was less about the age difference, and more a question of how he could possibly be attracted to someone with fewer experiences. Edward is frozen at 17. His body and his mind are stuck at that level of development. He as a character would be super impulsive and immature, at least that’s probably how the writing should have portrayed him. Bella is naturally 17 when they meet. He has been around longer, but he is at the same level of development she is. So it’s definitely different than an actual old man being interested in a young woman. Edward is physically and mentally a young man. So my question really isn’t whether it’s appropriate. My question is, if you had seen decades of culture, knowledge, discoveries, and advancements, why would you be interested in someone who didn’t share any of those experiences? It can happen in real life to two real people who are the exact same age. Let’s say one of them spends a year studying abroad, or going on a world tour somehow, and they come back knowing so much and having seen so many things that you don’t see when you never leave the place where you grew up. How could that person be attracted to someone who knew about none of it? That doesn’t make the other person bad, not all of us can go and do those things. You have to have the time, the money, etc. And in Twilight it’s not Bella’s fault that she is naturally 17 and hasn’t lived for a century. But even so, Edward, who was born in 1901, has seen two world wars, the discovery of penicillin, the invention of rock and roll, various civil rights movements, and tons of other historic events. Bella has read about it all in school, but she wasn’t there. She didn’t see it all happen. Personally, if I had seen all those things, I would be much more interested in dating someone who also had. I just don’t think Bella and Edward actually have anything in common. And that’s not either of their faults, but it makes it so tough to understand why they’re so in love. Anyway, that’s a bigger question for me than the ethics of someone frozen mentally and physically at 17 falling for someone who is naturally mentally and physically 17. Seriously, the only difference is that he’s been 17 ~for a while~
I don't really think someone lacking in a ton of life experience makes them unattractive or attractive, it can be an interesting bonus to their personality I guess and going through all that would definitely change a person but you can't really help who u love but also who else would Edward date 😭🤣 his only options on the life experience factor as much as he has are old ( or dead already because he's 100+) ladies and the fact he's physically 17 idk if any older women would go for him either lmaoo he's still technically a minor 🤣🤣
Correct me if I'm wrong, I never read the books but wasn't his first spark of attraction towards her the fact he couldn't read her mind
@@Sani-wk8ug Yes, and of course the desire to murder her lol. Those were the things he first noticed about her, leading him to develop a fascination. What I question is why they not only fell in love, but stayed in love. I feel like they would have later realized they didn’t have enough in common to be together. But this is all just my opinion on two fictional characters, you know?
I agree with you in as far as you say that Edward has remained frozen at the age of 17 so that he really cannot be seen as "much older" than Bella. But even though he has more experiences than Bella, he does not learn from these experiences in the same way that a human would; if he is frozen at the stage of maturity of a 17-year-old, these experiences will not cause him to mature beyond this age. I think this is actually the reason why in the Twilightverse, it is essentially forbidden to make children into vampires because they are altogether uncontrollable as far as their impulses are concerned and cannot be made to mature through "teaching" or "experiences" because they have been "frozen" and these simply do not affect them. As for the vampires that have been turned at a later stage of their maturity, they can at least compensate for the lack of maturity through their higher-developed roleplaying skills; they can appear to be more mature than they actually are. Occasionally, also, it boils down to the role expectations in the century in which the individual was turned into a vampire: Carlisle, for instance, was turned at age 23 in the 17th century, and at that time you were already acting as a fully trained adult at that age (Carlisle was a physician), i.e. he was much more mature much earlier than a 23-year-old in the 21st century.
Twilight...A young girls struggle between beasiality and necrophilia
"The Twilight fandom is completely dead"
Me: **sweats, thinking about my active twilight tumblr blog I made in december that now has 500 followers** yeah....the fandom is dead.......
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I like lore, I'd be super interested in a bizarre lore series
Thanks! I've got a few ideas I'm writing as we speak!
Then you should watch game theory’s series on Minecraft
I would love a whole thing on Rosalie or the Vultori
The way Stephanie Meyer pronounces “werewolf” makes me wanna do what Tanya and Kate did to Caius.
This video is recent. It’s so weird that I rewatched all the movies last night and when I came on TH-cam , there’s like recent video uploads on twilight haha like is everyone just getting into it again. It was dead for a while
Your phone's mic prolly picked up some lines from the movie while it was listening for ad words, to send you targeted ads. Google reccomends TH-cam videos the same way they recommend ads for people. But regardless, I'm glad you found the video! Seeing less people talk about the movies is one of the main things that made me want to talk about them. If you're looking for more Twilight videos, Amanda the Jedi, Big Joel, and Lindsay Ellis have great videos on the series
I think it's back in everyones minds as Midnight Sun is being released this year. For those still interested in the books you can pre-order now
I hated the movies but I’ve literally been binge watching a bunch of vids about twilight
Tbh the world building of Twilight is actually pretty awesome. It's the love triangle that i can't stand for (Also the Jacob - Renesmee relationship)
I am 70 yrs old and have this year retired. The career I had did not let me sit down and relax long enuff to watch a movie. I was languishing one after noon in my newfound freedom, and watched the whole series!!! I was so enthralled with it I had to watch it twice!!!! The only other movie I have ever watched twice is Young Frankenstein Lolol According to all these TH-cam clips, I think I’m weird!
Is THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME??? Haha
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I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Are you kidding? I loved, and still love twilight!!!
Lol Kristen Stewart has a very manly voice.
"You named my daughter after the Loch Ness monster?!" (In my Vin Diesel voice)
I wonder if renesmee and Jacob end up falling inlove and a half vampire half werewolf is born maybe voltori see it as abomination that will end up in war.
Since renesmee is half human as well she can able to bear child
Stephanie Myers was/is sitting on a veritable gold mine. There is such a rich background to all the characters, even Edward he was at one time a serial killer of serial killers. But all the other covens with their powerful or semi powerful vamps and the wolves are so much more interesting
Messenger: A child of the moon Van Helsing killed Dracula...
Aro: My sweet brother is dead... Finally...
Caius freaks out: Child of the moon? Where?
Van Helsing: Here...
Caius: (Screams)
And a point about the imprinting, honestly she could have done it like the other wolf stories and made the imprinting happen at an older age and not the creepy way, but then again Jacob imprinting on nessie is what saved her
The intro made me emotional so I’m gonna stick around and watch because I used to love twilight too !!! Everyone in my school in Florida was reading the books when the first movie came out so I dived in! Still one of my favorite series even though it hasn’t aged very well.
I had the exact same experience with the series tbh, all my friends loved it when we were kids, and as we grew older, we made fun of the series, but we still went to see the new movies every year!
Twilight vampires are basicaly crystals who need blood and are in a physical flesh vessel also there abilities are like manifestations like crystals and they glow in sun lol this is basically mocking my people but twisted up.. but yea i like Twilight vampires lore and the shifters and children of moon also so many subliminals in the movies and lore if you decode it its crazyyy👁 also shifters have cousin tribes who turn to other animals imagine shifted bear way bigger fatser etc bird etc
I always thought that vampires in Twilight were also a bit like superheroes because they each have a special power, which is not really part of traditional vampire lore. And that special superpower seems to be dormant in the individual even before they become a vampire. Thus Edward is telepathic but he is intrigued by Bella because he cannot read her mind, which points to her innate ability to "shield" herself. And later as a vampire be becomes a fully-fledged "shield" with the ability to protect against all sorts of attacks. It is almost as if Stephenie Meyer uses the Mormon tenet that people can "ascend" and be "perfected" to suggest that what Edward does to Bella when turning her is not an "evil" thing, but actually perfects her; she is a totally unremarkable girl while she is human, but becoming a vampire actually seems to allow her to fulfil her innate potential to the fullest extent possible. In classical vampire literature, vampires are suggested to be demons by the church, they are the Antichrist (which is also why a crucifix is a ward against them), whereas Meyer actually reinterprets them to be something in conformity with her Mormonist faith.
Not sure if I'm getting recommendations of twilight BC I've clicked on 2 videos or BC I've been doing research about mormons lmao 🤦🏽
Family member has become part of the church soooooo.
Still find it hilarious that 50 shades started as an edward x bella fanfic tho, and the fact that she meyers is mormon makes it so much funnier xD
It's probably both, haha, the algorithm is smart like that.
Oh geez, that's rough.
Yeah that is pretty hilarious, I wonder how she feels knowing that exists as a result of her works lmao
@@SuperSwimTeam7 computers are becoming too smart man, get ready to bring out em tinfoil hats (jk)
It aint that bad tbh. They had wanted to become mormons since a young age but we come from generations of roman catholics so it was a no no back then. I'm just happy for them, and the people I've met so far (which isn't much) seem to be kind and don't seem to follow the darker things the religion may be doing. It is sad about all the dirty work they had done to be honest, but I'm personally not surprised. So many religions and churches have done/do so much bad things but people refuse to ignore many. That being said though, I'm not trying to defend or being on their side, and will continue looking into it.
I think there was one interview were they asked Meyers about it and it looked like she was about to bring out her inner karen, but managed to hold it lmao.
Good video BTW! Dont know if ive seen your channel before, but will keep an eye out for ya!
I'm late to the party but it was awesome of you to make this video. This should be eye opening for a lot of people, it was for me. I read the series when I was 14 and of course just thought it was a really sweet love story. Now that I'm older I understand how creepy and wrong it is. Also I really, really hate the religious undertones in it and the whole message of "even if the pregnancy is killing you you shouldn't have an abortion". Now that I think about it I bet all these big politicians we have nowadays are Twilight fans 😂
You have no idea how much it warms my heart to hear that you had a good takeaway from the vid, the religious undertones were really swept under the rug at the time
@@SuperSwimTeam7 it was actually very insightful! Seriously, like I said I read the series for the first time when I was 14 but later read it again when I was 16 and I did not pick up on them. When Midnight Sun started appearing on walmart shelves last year I decided to pick up a copy and while reading it I really started to question the series. Now I can officially say that I see it for the toxic crap that it is. Not saying its crap cause it was written poorly, no, it's crap because of the poor message it's sending to a young audience.
I feel like Twilight is an example of Good Lore, but Not-So-Great Story.
So let me get this right the children of the Moon are so dangerous and powerful that the volturi pacifically hunted them down to Extinction instead of the wolf shifters explain how freaking powerful are these werewolves???
I think there is a difference between being a werewolf and a shapeshifter - for a werewolf, the process is involuntary and only occurs at the full moon; the "werewolves" in Twilight are essentially shapeshifters (much like animaguses in the Potterverse), i.e. after that ability has awakened in them with the onset of puberty, they have a certain degree of influence on whether and when they transform, though it also seems to be triggered somewhat by instinct.
I like the lore mostly except the children nastynes
Can we all just agree that the Twilight universe is pretty interesting, and the main reason we don’t like it was because of Edward and Bella?
That's the best Twilight take possible. So much wasted potential, from the lore of the native american shape shifters to the real werewolf children of the moon, they could've done witches or vampire hunters, all that would've been more interesting than the current gender bent books, and Midnight Sun.
@@SuperSwimTeam7 exactly, I wish there was more on the Volturi. I’m pretty sure a book on them would be much better. They could’ve made a whole book on the children of the moon vs the Volturi, that would’ve been awesome. I only read the first book because it was in a book pile that I got, and I only reread them because of everything else. (But with the Life and Death book, I felt it was better than the original book series because it ended at the first book)
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I still remember when you cudnt even say much about Twilight without ppl thinking you're just defending it for the sake of defending it.
But it is a let down when you can see potential in the world building but the execution or plot focus falls flat.
I also found the lore behind the "Eternals" movie fascinating since I never read much on them in comics.
We all know how the reviews turned out...
The vampires don't glitter, actually. The sun reflects off their skin.
Also, the forcefield you described Bella having is only mental. It wouldn't shield most attacks. Jasper and Alice's powers would not be affected because they affect other things that Bella can't defend. Violet's shield that you described is purely physical.
…anything that glitters only glitters because it’s reflecting light.
@@rosed3023 Yes, but they don't glitter constantly like people say. Only sunlight does that. Lightbulbs don't make them sparkle. That doesn't reflect.
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A weird lore series would be amazing, you got me excited when you mentioned a filthy frank video. There's already an incredible video compilation that ties his videos lore together but I'd love to hear your thoughts and veiws on it.
Hell yeah, ngl I've been taking notes on it, and I want to use it as a way to explain TH-cam as an open source multiverse,and talk about Lotus, and some other people that have built their lore ontop of Frankus
I loved the books. Rosalie was my favorite and I wanted more of her. She lacked a more detailed back story and history. My family name is Skinaway so that says so much about the skin walkers. Great video and breakdown
Alice is great a million times better then Eddy Boy and the bland piece of toast called Bella. Also the lore is a million times more interesting then the love story schlock we’re meant to suffer through. And yes the imprinting nonsense is extremely fucked up. Also a weird lore series would be awesome.
I loath Twilight with all my soul, but I admit that the side characters like Jasper and Rosalie had far more interesting backstories than Bella "Her Whininess" Swan.
Yes, I agree with you that the imprinting concept is extremely negative because apart from the notion that abortion is never OK even if done in order to save the mother, imprinting can result in your staying within a relationship that is extremely toxic or violence, i.e. if domestic violence occurs in such a case you have to stay with your partner because it is an eternal things, and as far as I can remember such a pairing also does occur in Twilight (Sam and Emily, but I am not sure right now).
I just listened to their imprinting conversation last night. Lol...
So disturbing
@@SuperSwimTeam7 have u heard the other imprinting conversation?
Jacob betrothed to a baby isn't that farfetched when you think about it. Anime is very popular with subtle hints like that. Inuyasha - Sesshomaru wanted to mate with Rin who was like an 8 year old girl at the time. The author of Inuyasha stated that he would have taken Rin as his mate when she was old enough.
And sometimes you even find it in classics of English literature such as Jane Austen's Emma, where it is mentioned that Mr. Knightley can remember holding Emma in his arms when she was still a baby (he is 17 years older than she). Stephenie Meyer is a huge Jane Austen fan; it may be that she has the Jacob/Renesmee imprinting from this. (She also mentioned that the description of Bella's wedding dress was inspired by the regency aesthetic in the Jane Austen books.)
But more likely it's a Mormon thing according to which certain people could be destined for each other and their union was made in Heaven. There is also a concept like "sealing" which does seem to be part of the marriage ceremony but not just marriage; It seems to be designed to seal members of a family to each other for eternity. There is very much the drift in the Twilight books that if you fall in love with a person, it is not mere lust but that you want to be with this person forever.
I have read all the books I find it amazing.people might have different views .if u talk about powers you need to earn it .it is a great story.
You mean that billions loved a decade ago and everyone who hates that it's still popular!
Not gonna lie, the "vampires suck" dude throwing itself on the wheelchair killed me
I watched this like when I was 8 years old and I was mesmoised by edwared or not paying atention
I was a fan when i was younger. I was more into the vampire/werewolf stuff more than the love story aspect
I'm very much in the same boat
The all Twilight Saga is the metaphor of female soul, from adolescence to motherhood.
Including the part where you betrothe your new born daughter to your grown ass ex boyfriend?
@@SuperSwimTeam7 Dog Psychology. Jacob becomes their "dog".
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The Twilight fandom is the biggest movie fandom other than Harry Potter.
2nd or 3rd highest growest movie ever, Harry Potter or Titanic was 1st.
Hated? Bro it was huge, I remember being dragged over and over to the theater by my girl at the time. Or are u being sarcastic lol
They explain these in a series of short films, (the powers) Alice could see the future like a psychic and jasper was just very good at managing his emotions and helping others with theirs during the war. They say Edward was very good at reading the room and body language therefore knew what people were thinking. They don’t necessarily have powers but their abilities would sometimes evolve when they turned.
Why does the imprinting have to happen solely with the opposite sex? Hummmm...
Probably due to the Mormon belief about same-sex love...
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I laughed far too hard when Bella got mad at Jacob for imprinting on her new born. I lost it I was laughing too hard. It’s just absurd.
weird lore good, dunno if you made more or not since this is the first video of yours ive ver seen
I'm actually working on one about the Venture Brothers now!
Best movies - the quality, the fact that they left things in a more respectful manner true into the story so much so that it was overly intense removing all that over sexual content made you drawn to this movie like you didn’t know what was happening. This is why it was so well-made absolutely
Lmao Breaking Wind was also a spoof of Twilight!🤣
The Fandom isn’t dead. Only because there isn’t really new content. Hopefully they bring back the films in some capacity.
why do they call it the Olympic Coven???
They live on the Olypic Peninsula of Washington.
I’m here in 2023, the fandom is alive and well 😊
It was resurrected after I published the vid! Not complaining though, this is one of my top preforming vids cuz of it !
It’s Meyer, not Mayer.
in case you're still pronouncing it wrong in 4 yrs it is may er
When I was a teen I refused to read or watch the twilight stories, the love story aspect just seemed so corny and celebrating toxicity, and I was so sick of toxic romances. Until a service user in a soup kitchen for homeless teens and young adults that I volunteered at sort of challenged me to read the books, saying not to think of it as a romance but a psycholical thriller. He lent me his books and I gave them a go and loved them. They're books that really get the brain thinking and introduce a world and lore that is easy to slip yourself into and explore in daydreams, fanfic or the like. To me the romance aspects were just a surface level distraction from the real depth of the within the story. I saw it as a philosophical exploration of morality, mortality, good vrs evil, what it means to be human, beliefs and trauma, souls and soulessness. But also covered topics such as social apathy, as most of the plot is ignored almost wilfully by the majority of the humans around them, who don't want to look too closely, and vamps cos it serves them for humans to be ignorant.
There's also an exploration of how mortality impacts morality, such as "some crimes dont seem like crimes cos vampire rules/norms are different" and can we judge vampire behaviours from human moral perspectives? Never mind the religious undertones, bith through the subcontrxt of Mormonism that seeps into the pages, but also through Carlisle, Edward and even Aros religious views on their soullessness. Plus the Cullen's also give themselves more rules than other vampires cos they try to fit in with humans to an extent, almost trying to cling to their humanity while battling their own mostrous nature. But then again are vampires only monsteous cos most never bother trying to battle those instincts, dont see why they should and are the cullens right to try. To us, as humans, cos we think they are but does than mean all vampires who arent vampires are automatically evil? The ladt book subtly queries this. Is it monsterous when they need to eat humans, or is that just deem monstrous cos were their food. Are we monsters from the cows perspective? Etc.
And there's exploration in the books of why they cling to their humanity. We see in the last book just how different the Cullens are from other vampires, they hold onto more the the love and family bonds than most vampires do that enables their clan to be more a family than a clan. We see most vampires, the main exceptions being the Volturi and Cullens, stay in small groups that are prone to betrayal and change, if not just mated pairings. Does clinging to their humanity make them better vampires?
Plus the exploration of extra powers as something every human could have the protential to be magical vampires but just dont cos its not easy for vamps to make other vampires cos its hard to not bite and kill, due to the "must eat" overwhelming bloodlust that few try to resist within their vampire lives. Maybe the humans who, like Bella, seem to be innately inclined towards vampirism are the descendants of hybrids? I can easily imagine, back when there were multiple varieties of humans in the world, then maybe vampires were just another type of human that couldn't breed and replicate as successfully as homosapiens, but still dominated the food chain in their own way. Its well known we, homosapiens, have Neandathal dna mixed with out own due to interal special relations. Easy to imagine back then homosapiens and vampires exsisting more mutually aware of each other.
Then theres the laws and exploration of police/government oversight for nomadic superpowered creatures that dont have set rooted locations but are nobadic across multiple human ciktures and communities whilst still be influenced by human culture. Are the Volturi worthy of their power and why dont the Cullen's stand up to overrule them, etc. their cruelty seems excessive to us the readers from our humanist perspective and told through the perspective of vampires who're trying to be more human than vampire. Within their vamp culture its sort of seen as understandable why the Volturi are so violently extreme cos when you're a supernatural being against other mostly equally powerful supernatural beings its a different social dynamic and consequences (hense why Aro likes to collect superpowered vampires in his coven). If humans break the law, we cant put in prison and most of us dont have the ability to break out or fight back. But if vampires break the law they put the whole species at risk and can't be put in jail, no jail could hold them. Its obey the few rules or die cos thats the only way their culture can continue to thrive when their food, if aware of them, can distroy them (nukes would kill vamps too, its superheated fire afterall). So from a humanist perspective, the Volturi are despicable and not deserving of power, but from the vampires perspective someone has to enforce laws and who'd want that responsibility when they could just being enjoying a nonadic life snacking on the odd human. Heck even the Cullen's arent interested in changing the status quo within vampire culture, they just want to live their lives, not have power or responsibility over other vampires, etc. even in the last book, the Cullen's collected other vampires together not to fight the volturi but to make sure they got a fair trial in the hopes of a non violent outcome. And it worked (though probably more due to Aro not having a way to safely kill them without loosing face within the community of witnesses and without loss to his ranks of carefully controlled superpowered vampires than due to any actual justice or shared vampire rights).
These books are dark and deep and brutal.
After Nessy, we find out about the vampire in south America who grapes woman to make hybrids. The vampire world, outside of the cullens, is a brutal society within the shadows of our societies.
I've always wondered if the wolves got their transformative powers due to hybrid traits in their genes from a hybrid in accent times who paired with a human and those traits desended down the tridial lines until a vampire threat triggered those traits to be activated as powers based on the tribes cultural beliefs, hense why wolf form in their tride. Maybe other tribes around the world have other animal transformations or other powers all together. If true then the imprinting thing itself is probably also a left over trait from the vamp DNA as when vampires mate they mate for life. It's easy to see Bella and Edwards obsession with one another as its own kind of imprinting, especially as the pain of separation for Bella and Edward is similar to what's discribed as it would be for imprinted wolf pairings, just without the awareness or language that Jacobs tribe use. Eg when Rose tells us about how she saw Emmett being attacked by a bear and knew she had to save him and spend her life with him. She essentially discribed imprinting on Emmett without the tribes terminology and understanding. The bond tween bella and Edward is also similarly sudden, weakened only due to her being human same as Jacob was obsessed with her cos he was fated to imprint on hr child. Its weird and messed up, but the magic, for lack of better terms, in the twilight universe isn't one of free will that we'd associate with love in our reality.
Also, the love stuff in itself is a a philosophical exploration of freewill and obsessive, healthy or unhealthy love.
It's such a fascinating univtto mentally explore. Especially for its timez as the grand climax is non violent was so refreshing in a way, considering how violent their cukture is youd expect a big fight cos thats what we, humans, would've probably done. They're all ready for a fight, especially some of the Cullen's witnesses, that ultimately it doesn't happen cos they're too evenly footed which makes Aro uncomfortable as he's not at an obvious advantage in this match, super strong and powerful as vampires are, their biggest threat is each other. So theres an exploration of power itself within a culture or community. Which leaves you wondering and exploring the Volturis motivation and what would happen next. Is Aro biding his time until he can get revenge of the Cullen's and get alice into his little club, whilst also being naturally curious about how the cullens function as a clan when it takes so much effort and manipulation on his part of hold his army together (literally one of the superpowered vamps in his "clan" has the piwer to influence relationships and is used to motivate loyalty to him). Aro is such a compelling villain cos hes smart, cunning, curious and clearly immoral in a inhuman sense. When immortal children were a thing, within vampire culture, its mentioned that the Volturi tried their own experimentations to determine if there was a way to teach children. Meaning they knowingly put children of different ages through rhe torture of being turned and then experimented on only to be killed. So its safe to assume that the volturi will be moving forward to mame experiments abiut hybrids next. Especially wirh what we know of Aros psychology.
The other characters, not bella kf Edward, are the most intriguing aslect of the stories. Their traumas, beliefs, values, etc.
A dead fandom? I'm watching this 2 yrs after post because I was searching Twilight videos. Come on.
thank you for reading the books before making your lore video you would not believe how often i click on twilight lore videos and the person says "So i've only watched the movies" cause at that point i know more than them
I grew up with em before I grew out of em! Not a lot of people have that context, they're either blinded by nostalgia or can't understand the context of culture when they were released
The fandom is so not dead
I remember that they said the shapeshifters (wolfs) don't age as long as a vampire is nearby not that they can stop their aging soooo I think that point was wrong if I'm wrong just let me know why I'm wrong
Great video man
Charlie has a weaker form of Bella's power, it's mentioned by Edward he can not hear properly what Charlie is thinking, his thoughts are scrambled when Edward tries to listen to it.
There's so much lore that's under explained and underutilized by twilight. Stuff like that, plus the "real" werewolves they mention, and vampire hunters. They mention all this cool stuff and then never do anything with it
I like how some of the things mentioned in the books were based off real Lore and real religions.. I like the Fiction tales of the Twilight series.. some of it doesn't make sense but its Fiction...keep that in mind.
Yeah but if Endgame ended with Hulk imprinting on Tony's daughter it'd be pretty fucking weird. Same thing applies here
You seem to possess alot of animosity against mormans
I do, considering that grooming and raping children are probably two of the worst things you could ever do in life, and Mormons have made it a part of their religion
@@SuperSwimTeam7 dont know much about mormans but i dont see much of their religion in the films, sounds like you dislike twilight simply because a morman wrote it
@@ObsidianAngiris I- ....what? He literally states in this video a few times how much of a fan he used to be.
Actually Quil also impressed on young child. Claire is the girl name.
I read the twilight graphic novel randomly as cuz I was in middle school when this dropped out of sheer curiosity. I don’t remind a thing about it. I’m making this comment at 1:47 I already believe this video is is a 11/10
The Batman looks weird
3:15 I used to have suuuuuccchhhh a crush on Alice omggg. *used to*
Alice can see the future, she already knows what's on my mind
19:53 it is EXACTLY grooming - and, religious or not, it’s absolutely gross, wrong, and utterly reprehensible.
this video is underrated
So basically, you love Twilight and because it was so huge, people hated on it cuz they're threatened and you let it break your love for it?
Wow..GREAT RESEARCH..THANK YOU!!
i love how stephanie meyer says “a bond between the werewolf and a *person of the opposite sex*” ok but how homophobic was this
Its not homophobic because it makes sense that the wolves would want to reproduce to keep the wolf gene going and well cnt reproduce with the same sex
You must have been young, when that movie first came out.
Because you totally missed the point.
I don't mean to be critical but I thought that you where going to reveal the secrete things, about that movie.
G.
I did, it's Mormon propoganda to normalize child marriage amongst the masses. There it is. That's the secret. It's religious propoganda to push Meyers values.
Yeah this video is pretty misinformed, cringe and arrogant
Thanks for covering this, a well made video.
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I absolutely hate the Renesme and jacob love story
The fandom lives
I was late to Twinkle.
I wanted to do a spoof about a teen girl that thinks all the vampires love her but they're all flamingly gay.
And they twinkle in the sun.
So. ...
Twinkle.
But I enjoyed them.
Of course it's disgusting for Edward to date her.
It's even worse that he allowed her to marry him at 18 and have a child.
But.... Were talking magical soul mate that roamed an empty life searching for YOU, ONLY YOU for a hundred years
Just chock it up to the story and move past it.
I still want to see blade show up in the twilight world lol
I love Twilight. It's got some interesting pieces but my golly is it fun to point out all the red flags and criticize the whole series.
cool video dude
I’m back at 28:37 12/10. Great vid
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@@SuperSwimTeam7 I really like it i think it looks awesome. i might download. Now its call Super Swim Team 7 2000. I think you should make more Spider mans video I liked the Spider man 2000 memes those where and still are funny. LOL
This is just the best video 😂
Thank ya! It's one of my favorites out of all the ones I've worked on
2023 and the town of Forks, Wa is still drawing crowds and bringing $ to an otherwise quiet town!
I allowed myself to enjoy them. I hope you can find it in your super cool heart to forgive me for the breathtakingly evil attitude of letting my appreciation for an interesting story and fun action scenes overcome my total disdain for cliche. Oh wait! I can handle a Bit O' Cliche. Stay too cool for school.
More attractive?
Omg it's like when they say you know what 3D is to s being in 2D? Imagine 4D and I just can't fathom that.
I don't think I can be more beautiful.
Oh am I already a vampire?
Well I do look 25 at 50 and I suddenly find young boys attractive.
I mean like 25.
Just clarifying since I'm in infant soulmate territory
I will say this tho.
Once, while trying to fathom 4D, I was outside a taco bell and I looked at the window and saw the reflection of two palm trees that resembles eyes. A picture hanging on the the farthest wall inside, resembled a nose and the door handle resembles a smile.
These things in various places, sizes, and shapes came togerher to create the perception of an image of a man smiling.
That's as close as I can get to understanding 4D
But it's pretty fucking riveting huh?
*☼ **18:40** you know girls are born w/a full, but finite, set of eggs hey? jacob imprinted on the ovum.*
Yes, that's true, at one point he admits that he always loved Bella because he loved her (then still potential) daughter through her, as if he wanted to be close to her for the mere fact that one day she would bear a daughter she would imprint on. It is also a somewhat political/dynastic thing because it makes him claim his place as werewolf "royalty" within the pack (he founds a new pack/cadet line apart from the old one, which also contains the Clearwater siblings, and makes himself into the alpha and Leah into his "beta"). It essentially contributes to forming an alliance between the vampires and the werewolves which is also directed against the ancient vampire aristocracy of the Volturi. And it is essentially sealed through the union of two individuals from the respective factions.
Lolita is the reversed audio?
Yep, TH-cam picks up on certain words If you say them in the first 10 minutes or so, and so I had to blur that one, so to speak. I say it out loud at the end of the video, but the way Jacob goes after Bella's daughter, it seems like an apt comparison
@@SuperSwimTeam7 I’ve read the book and you’re right. He sees what he wants and is like play dough; he does whatever he needs to do to be what she wants they make it seem romantic but it’s so creepy
Agreed, I didn't bat an eye when I was a teen reading it, but as an adult it makes me cringe. The worst part is how Twilight tries to normalize it, and then when you compare that to how Mormons marry 15 year old girls and younger... Ew. Just eck. Gross.
Compare that to the vampire chronicles from Anne Rice, there's a lot of messed up subject matter there, everything from incest to characters with the minds of adults stuck in the bodies of children, but in those books they never try to make it seem normal, they play on the fact that this is wrong and sinful as a plot point. They don't try to make it seem normal or acceptable, rather TVC often shows that these people are in pain because of their trauma and affliction, the series isn't without flaws if it's own, but it doesn't romanticize the state of its characters suffering, it doesn't use that to push an agenda,
Vampire books often cover taboo subject matter, but Twilight is the only one to try and make it's weird gross shit seem normal and acceptable through the subtext of its lore and narrative.
Alone, in pairs, or in covens.
Alone, in pairs, or in groups.
Heh.
I 💘 LOVE IT SO MUCH I THINK IT WOULD BE DOPE TO LIVE IN THAT ERA VAMPIRE- WEREWOLVES 😆 LOL
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I’m pretty sure Twilight was never hated... ( unless by those who don’t read and only watch movies) high schools around the United States began having twilight parties. Now with the new book... it’s blown up all over again!!
So your video is outdated buddy
SST7 you need ….never mind.
It's not convinient that the main characters have special abilitys there main characters because of there special powers
Yes, so much weirder than True Blood. SMH
Nowhere near as weird as the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice tho, the main character that Tom Cruise plays in the movie fucks his mom, and they got a show on AMC right now. Anxiously awaiting the season three flashback season.
19:20 ig gay wolves don't exist😔✊
Twilight fandoms is not dead.....were just hiding 😂