@@jamesyork I just see this yん guy video from 1 month ago. but I think he do so much that jumping spinning attack that leave him to be vulnerable to a nasty punish. even I want to see the tournament myself because Im wondering why he can get to grand final. This Naskino guy is playing so safe, like top players in the smash bros community do. it is just there are some things that he dont learn yet. like ledge trapping, phantom is one of the best ledge trap in the game, but he do it wrong. also playing under pressure, he cant do it yet. we can see top players like mkleo has so much percentage on reversing the situation, because he is always confident at all times
Lucina isn't struggling against Zelda, Naskino is just THAT good at the matchup. He's insanely good at timing mixups at unreactable range enabling him to force Lucina to respect him at times where landing aerials/spaced tilts would ordinarily be abused without too much thinking to wall him, while also being very consistent at closing stocks
Mr E's passive playing style with Lucina is a huge disadvantage while fighting zoners. I think he needs to adapt an aggressive style like Protobhanam, constantly pushing the opponents for their own errors.
Zelda is far less of a zoner. She’s an anti-zoner. With phantom being a slow projectile, it’s mainly used to control space of the stage. She’s a trap based character. Her frame data is decent and she does have some close up buttons and 5 out of shield options with 3 of them killing if you touch her shield wrong.
@@lokks2130 Y’all have to stop sleeping on characters 😂. Speed is good to have but speed is not everything. You can have good movement and still lose. Examples would be Byleth, Steve, and Kazuya with notable results despite being slow and having good strengths. The problem is nobody explores other characters. Phantom isn’t meant to force approaches. It’s meant to limit space for players who doesn’t approach, cover landings, platforms, every ledge option, or condition shield break set ups. Almost every pro player at least once said having great oos options is really good for characters cuz shield pressure is a thing at top level and many characters can’t do anything about it. Lastly, Zelda Jab one has mix up potential and can lead to kills at high%, up tilt is a combo starter, down tilt to fair kills at mid and all these has a fast start up.
@@lokks2130 Anti Zoners means a character can zone while playing aggressively. Out of shield options is not the only thing going for Zelda. Bruh up-tilt is good. The hitbox comes out frame 7, has a massive disjoint, combo’s into almost everything into her kit, and has kill confirms off it. It’s also a very good anti air. Down tilt is frame 5 and can be used after jab 1. Mid percents, It can be followed up with a dash attack and lightning kick. The hitbox lingers too for 6 frames which can help out with 2-framing into down b. Zelda is good at ledge trapping and she can also edge-guard a majority of the cast. Majority of the cast can’t do the same to Zelda. They would have to resort to ledge trapping. You have to explore characters. This is why nobody knows match ups.
Lol a smash player saying someone needs to be more "aggressive!"?? If i had a nickel every time i heard that i'd be a billionaire. Jeez smash players are adhd as hell
@TreyMM-qz4wg A win. Mr.E has beaten Zelda’s before. Naskino is good and he knows how his character works better than most Zelda’s. Lucina wins the match up but, better characters doesn’t mean victory. That’s a problem a lot of people have. It’s the time you put into your character. Saying it’s a fluke is like discrediting the Zelda’s hard work on making it as far as she did.
@@johnbingham5693 because zelda is a zoner and is not those aggressive characters people consider as hype. Not to mention zelda has been some sort of controversy in wifi era
Let's not forget Mr E has a lot of experience against Zelda having played Zerotwonone many times before moving to France. This was Naskino being a great player and causing Mr E to panic and choose bad options because they took every opening so far.
Bruh these commentators are sus Naskino wasnt doing any "rando UpB's in neutral" dude was clearly whiff punishing or had good reasons to Up B. Top players rarely do anything truely at random
As soon as I saw Naskino use that teleport edge cancel trick from DROPPING OFF a platform in probably the highest pressure game, I knew it was checkmate. That move takes such specific precision on the map to execute without SDing. Don't try this at home all of you newly inspired Zelda players! 🤓 But when combined with the phantom like that, it can shield break in a second. Masterful. Truly impressive play! #Zeldamain
This is SO true. I've heard people say Palu and Mewtwo mains are always doing cancels so it's not that special to pull it off with Zelda, but it takes way more precise spacing to pull off Zelda's cancel without SDing. I played a bit of Palu before and you can pretty much just spam her cancels if you have good movement on platforms or roughly know where the sweetspot for the cancel is from centre stage, with hardly any risk at all. Wish this was the case for Zelda as her movement options would be way more accessible and spammable and I bet she'd be considered way higher on the tier list haha
This Zelda player knows the character very well and all of her confirms and set ups to the point where her opponent had no idea how to deal with her knight and baited Ariels. The swords woman had no idea what to do as all four games showed as she was just pushing inputs and doing just basic plays / confirms that work but that can only do so much as she had no idea what she was doing. Great Set for Zelda over all.
This actually looks pretty tough for Lucina. Slow fall speed and not an amazing disadvantage state would make it quite difficult for her to weave in and out of Zelda’s traps. I’m sure Mr. E can do it, probably just a few things to consider.
Lucina can wall out zelda if she wants. She can wall out zelda with her disjoints and ground speed. Zelda’s speed or lack of makes some matchups very hard for her as it’s difficult to catch characters faster than her who don’t have to approach. As long as lucina is careful about her approach and spaces to keep zelda out she should win.
@@socialrhombus3288 ohh 100%. I think that’s what a lot of the salty edge lords in the other comments just can’t handle. This guy was insane, and people don’t like it when characters diverge outside of their supposed tier.
@@silvereyes242 Honestly I was mostly referring to ffa's with 4+ players. Competitive 1v1's are a different story, but when it comes to 4 player stock battles (what I do a lot w/the boys at work), characters like zelda and byleth have special moves that can be cast out in a large area, doing good damage, while creating distance between themselves and any danger, ie "bullshit" characters
@@protonjones54 Oh that makes sense. She is well suited to those kind of scenarios, but I wouldn’t say she’s a bullshit character. Given how many disadvantages her playstyle has in 1v1 matchups, it takes a hell of a lot of skill to enter a high level tournament with Zelda and have success there.
@@Zeldamarie1482 dude you can’t just look at frame data out of context like that. Those numbers are for perfectly landed aerials and perfectly FRESH aerials, and that doesn’t take spacing into consideration. How often do you perfectly land and perfectly space all of your aerials in a game? Lucina’s solid, but that’s about it. She rewards playing neutral really really well, which again, isn’t possible 100% of the time, which is why she can really just get out cheesed hard.
@@Zeldamarie1482 are you going to address what I said or just cuck off into the shadows? Whether I play competitively or not is irrelevant to what I said. Again, are you going to address what I said?
@@Zeldamarie1482 so just to be clear, only competitive players can comment on frame data and the contextual considerations surrounding them? Is that what you’re saying? Lmaoo also, from what you’re saying, Mr. E should have placed perfectly spaced and landed aerials every time this set, because, as you say, good players practise executing those things. Edit: to further illustrate just how mentally deficient you are, because I don’t play competitively, me saying DK’s giant punch is -4 on shield is irrelevant…even though it’s true lol
@@Zeldamarie1482 to make it easier for your single-cell brain, here’re my questions: 1. Are only competitive players able to comment on frame data and their respective contexts? Yes or no? 2. Did Mr. E perfectly space and land every aerial he threw out? Yes or no? Edit: for everyone taking that cuck seriously, his inability to answer simple questions should illustrate just how illogical and stupid he is.
This naskino guy is the strongest zelda I have ever seen
Zuuro, Japanese Zelda is pretty sick.
If you like Zelda, check out TY, Tano, Ven, Yン! Yン just won a big tournament in Japan, too.
@@jamesyork Everyone always says that ven is the strongest zelda. I think this guy is so much stronger. its just he cant play under pressure yet
@@jamesyork I just see this yん guy video from 1 month ago. but I think he do so much that jumping spinning attack that leave him to be vulnerable to a nasty punish. even I want to see the tournament myself because Im wondering why he can get to grand final.
This Naskino guy is playing so safe, like top players in the smash bros community do. it is just there are some things that he dont learn yet. like ledge trapping, phantom is one of the best ledge trap in the game, but he do it wrong. also playing under pressure, he cant do it yet. we can see top players like mkleo has so much percentage on reversing the situation, because he is always confident at all times
Lucina isn't struggling against Zelda, Naskino is just THAT good at the matchup. He's insanely good at timing mixups at unreactable range enabling him to force Lucina to respect him at times where landing aerials/spaced tilts would ordinarily be abused without too much thinking to wall him, while also being very consistent at closing stocks
Congrats to the Zelda; hard to make this character work to the level of winning a gf. Naskino is cracked!
Mr E's passive playing style with Lucina is a huge disadvantage while fighting zoners. I think he needs to adapt an aggressive style like Protobhanam, constantly pushing the opponents for their own errors.
Zelda is far less of a zoner. She’s an anti-zoner. With phantom being a slow projectile, it’s mainly used to control space of the stage. She’s a trap based character. Her frame data is decent and she does have some close up buttons and 5 out of shield options with 3 of them killing if you touch her shield wrong.
@@lokks2130 Y’all have to stop sleeping on characters 😂. Speed is good to have but speed is not everything. You can have good movement and still lose. Examples would be Byleth, Steve, and Kazuya with notable results despite being slow and having good strengths. The problem is nobody explores other characters. Phantom isn’t meant to force approaches. It’s meant to limit space for players who doesn’t approach, cover landings, platforms, every ledge option, or condition shield break set ups. Almost every pro player at least once said having great oos options is really good for characters cuz shield pressure is a thing at top level and many characters can’t do anything about it. Lastly, Zelda Jab one has mix up potential and can lead to kills at high%, up tilt is a combo starter, down tilt to fair kills at mid and all these has a fast start up.
@@lokks2130 Anti Zoners means a character can zone while playing aggressively. Out of shield options is not the only thing going for Zelda. Bruh up-tilt is good. The hitbox comes out frame 7, has a massive disjoint, combo’s into almost everything into her kit, and has kill confirms off it. It’s also a very good anti air. Down tilt is frame 5 and can be used after jab 1. Mid percents, It can be followed up with a dash attack and lightning kick. The hitbox lingers too for 6 frames which can help out with 2-framing into down b. Zelda is good at ledge trapping and she can also edge-guard a majority of the cast. Majority of the cast can’t do the same to Zelda. They would have to resort to ledge trapping. You have to explore characters. This is why nobody knows match ups.
Lol a smash player saying someone needs to be more "aggressive!"??
If i had a nickel every time i heard that i'd be a billionaire. Jeez smash players are adhd as hell
@TreyMM-qz4wg A win. Mr.E has beaten Zelda’s before. Naskino is good and he knows how his character works better than most Zelda’s. Lucina wins the match up but, better characters doesn’t mean victory. That’s a problem a lot of people have. It’s the time you put into your character. Saying it’s a fluke is like discrediting the Zelda’s hard work on making it as far as she did.
That Zelda was awesome. Congratulations to Naskino for bringing this character to the spotlight she deserves. She's my main as well
Mine too!
i completely agree bro, i as well main her 😪
She deserves no spotlight
@@strickshot why not?
@@johnbingham5693 because zelda is a zoner and is not those aggressive characters people consider as hype.
Not to mention zelda has been some sort of controversy in wifi era
Wow I love this person's Zelda a lot- lemme start taking some notes...
Glad to see all of these characters coming to the top out of nowhere.
Naskino is fun to watch. I like Ven and ik he’s been around for a while but I have never found him that fun to watch.
Watching this victory made my day.
Let's not forget Mr E has a lot of experience against Zelda having played Zerotwonone many times before moving to France. This was Naskino being a great player and causing Mr E to panic and choose bad options because they took every opening so far.
Did Mr. E just lose to a Zelda??
ye he deed in deed
Honestly this is why I don’t rate solo maiming characters. A pocket wolf or Palu that are decently warmed up would have been much easier in this MU.
He always loses to Zelda's and robins. It's just a wired MU. These characters are touch for many characters.
Bruh these commentators are sus
Naskino wasnt doing any "rando UpB's in neutral" dude was clearly whiff punishing or had good reasons to Up B. Top players rarely do anything truely at random
As soon as I saw Naskino use that teleport edge cancel trick from DROPPING OFF a platform in probably the highest pressure game, I knew it was checkmate. That move takes such specific precision on the map to execute without SDing. Don't try this at home all of you newly inspired Zelda players! 🤓 But when combined with the phantom like that, it can shield break in a second. Masterful.
Truly impressive play!
#Zeldamain
This is SO true. I've heard people say Palu and Mewtwo mains are always doing cancels so it's not that special to pull it off with Zelda, but it takes way more precise spacing to pull off Zelda's cancel without SDing.
I played a bit of Palu before and you can pretty much just spam her cancels if you have good movement on platforms or roughly know where the sweetspot for the cancel is from centre stage, with hardly any risk at all.
Wish this was the case for Zelda as her movement options would be way more accessible and spammable and I bet she'd be considered way higher on the tier list haha
LET'S GO ZELDA
LET’S GO LUCINA
LET'S GO SHREK
@@ShrekEl LET’S GO ABSOL
Never thought a zelda would win a major but Naskino played really well. Congrats
This is a regional not a major
@@voodooedits785 Oh my bad then😅, but still congrats to Naskino.
Does Mr. E live in France now?
Yes. He moved there.
@@Abbaschand good call. I’m trying to get out of the USA myself.
@@Abbaschand Ah thanks for letting me know for the longest time I thought he was visiting for a little bit lol.
14:13 - 14:20
Yeah, Mr. E does not know the Zelda match up
That's the thing though, he does. He used to play against Zerotwonone quite often. He was just panicking here.
Was really hoping to see Mr E pull it off but great job to Naskino, crazy good Zelda!
This Zelda player knows the character very well and all of her confirms and set ups to the point where her opponent had no idea how to deal with her knight and baited Ariels.
The swords woman had no idea what to do as all four games showed as she was just pushing inputs and doing just basic plays / confirms that work but that can only do so much as she had no idea what she was doing. Great Set for Zelda over all.
This actually looks pretty tough for Lucina. Slow fall speed and not an amazing disadvantage state would make it quite difficult for her to weave in and out of Zelda’s traps. I’m sure Mr. E can do it, probably just a few things to consider.
Lucina has a slow fall speed but quite a great fast fall speed
Lucina can wall out zelda if she wants. She can wall out zelda with her disjoints and ground speed. Zelda’s speed or lack of makes some matchups very hard for her as it’s difficult to catch characters faster than her who don’t have to approach. As long as lucina is careful about her approach and spaces to keep zelda out she should win.
@@the_knees_bees I agree, Lucina should win, but I can see how it would be stressful to play this perfectly for an entire set.
@@johnbingham5693 I think you’re right. I also just think this Zelda is also cracked. He played out of his mind.
@@socialrhombus3288 ohh 100%. I think that’s what a lot of the salty edge lords in the other comments just can’t handle. This guy was insane, and people don’t like it when characters diverge outside of their supposed tier.
Some ppl in this comment section need to go to counseling 😳
Use Marth Mr. E!
(Princess Tutu for Super Smash Bros.!)
He should
Maybe Lucina's a better option to go for combos since no-tipper is too risky
Naskinoさんすげえ！
10:18 naskino making zelda godlike
Good shit Naskino
Naskino00..! ❤️
zelda definitely one of those characters I consider "bullshit" on the roster, up there with byleth, lucas, rob, R&L, among others
Your ass at the game😭
Why?
@@silvereyes242 Honestly I was mostly referring to ffa's with 4+ players. Competitive 1v1's are a different story, but when it comes to 4 player stock battles (what I do a lot w/the boys at work), characters like zelda and byleth have special moves that can be cast out in a large area, doing good damage, while creating distance between themselves and any danger, ie "bullshit" characters
@@protonjones54 Oh that makes sense. She is well suited to those kind of scenarios, but I wouldn’t say she’s a bullshit character. Given how many disadvantages her playstyle has in 1v1 matchups, it takes a hell of a lot of skill to enter a high level tournament with Zelda and have success there.
unbielevable
Nice Zeldaaa
Me man counter
Lucina la just way too honest for some of these characters
@@Zeldamarie1482 dude you can’t just look at frame data out of context like that. Those numbers are for perfectly landed aerials and perfectly FRESH aerials, and that doesn’t take spacing into consideration. How often do you perfectly land and perfectly space all of your aerials in a game? Lucina’s solid, but that’s about it. She rewards playing neutral really really well, which again, isn’t possible 100% of the time, which is why she can really just get out cheesed hard.
@@Zeldamarie1482 are you going to address what I said or just cuck off into the shadows? Whether I play competitively or not is irrelevant to what I said. Again, are you going to address what I said?
@@Zeldamarie1482 so just to be clear, only competitive players can comment on frame data and the contextual considerations surrounding them? Is that what you’re saying? Lmaoo also, from what you’re saying, Mr. E should have placed perfectly spaced and landed aerials every time this set, because, as you say, good players practise executing those things.
Edit: to further illustrate just how mentally deficient you are, because I don’t play competitively, me saying DK’s giant punch is -4 on shield is irrelevant…even though it’s true lol
@@lokks2130 I actually agree, she doesn’t really have any flaws, she just…..doesn’t have anything too broken or amazing like the other top tiers.
@@Zeldamarie1482 to make it easier for your single-cell brain, here’re my questions:
1. Are only competitive players able to comment on frame data and their respective contexts? Yes or no?
2. Did Mr. E perfectly space and land every aerial he threw out? Yes or no?
Edit: for everyone taking that cuck seriously, his inability to answer simple questions should illustrate just how illogical and stupid he is.
More obscure characters!!!
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