Glad you mentioned the impact of ai unemployment and the impact it will actually have on business via a lack of employed customers unable to afford products. No one seems to be considering this, least of all the actual corporations that are pushing for ai manufacturing and administration.
Modern business owners consider their own ideas to be the source of their wealth.... the true source is - ofcourse - still the customer. And there won't be too many of those in the future.
Elon Musk considered it years ago and said we'll have to go to a Universal Basic Income because we'll have no choice. I thought he was right then and still do; however, he seems to have morphed into the kind of guy who couldn't care less. He was, after all, advocating socialism. Can you imagine him doing that now?
ofc its a problem but i say in the mid term, if the ai has its own goals and can mine its resources does it really need to worry about a lack of consumers, no, because consumers do nothing for it
Clippy will get his revenge on mankind for tossing him in the Recycle Bin. We will all clip papers in our future. At least until Clippy runs out of paper and becomes obsolete himself cuz he can't chop wood.
Paperclip maximiser is a strange concept, contradicting basic economics. It is like a left shoe maximiser. Nobody buys left shoes if they do not come paired with right shoes.
Two years ago I found your channel during spooky season, through a collab video with toldinstone, and now eagerly anticipate your October videos every year:) Always been a fan of the season but I am certainly very glad to have a new, fun and interesting tradition to uphold! Thank you for all the fantastic content, no matter what month of the year, and let the spooky commence🙏
That is a good point about AIs writing so much code we won't be able to read it all. The shear amount plus they can be masters at obfuscating it making it even more difficult. I've been a coder for decades and am at least decent. I used to participate in code obfuscation contests ( do they still have those? ) but couldn't hold a candle to an AI even in this early stage.
It's not the current issues we might associate with AI and what it might do that scares me, it's what we haven't or can't imagine what it might turn out doing that does.
Capitalism as a system, does the things we fear AI will do. Only the #1 directive is maximizing profit for its owners, and it may cost us planet earth, and human civilization in the process. So long as capital owners are the ones that own and run the AI, it will serve them, not us.
I think the biggest obstacle for AI is taxation. 1 AI machine taking 10 jobs means 10 less people paying income tax. I think it would thrive in jobs that are extremely dangerous like deep sea welding or space exploration and mining.
That's why we need to tax the profits generated by AI/automation at a high rate, and distribute that funding back to the people in the form of UBI. Machines don't care if you take "their" money by taxing it all away, they'll just keep working anyway. The humans no longer waste their days working pointless jobs they hate, and still get the stuff they need. Everyone wins, if we do this right.
@@wasd____ I agree but you're not taxing the machines, you're taxing their owners so taxing them too high is not possible as they would just move somewhere else, there's a reason almost everything is made in China today, it's cheaper there. Also people getting UBI with nothing to do would send the world into caos, people need to be occupied with something, the main problems today are too many work hours and too low pay, using heavy automation to keep people employed but with way less hours and a higher living standard would be a better option
Oh, you sweet summer child. You think the powers that shouldn't be fund their boondoggles with tax revenue? They have money printers for that. Taxation is just the theft they use to keep you poor and easily controlled. If they replace the workforce with AI, that will do the trick even better. You can get a lot of power over people who make zero income and are desperate for a UBI (digital, programmable, and tied to a social credit score, of course).
I can't help but think this will cause a massive shrinkage in the size of humanity. If there's no need for workers, how does one support a family? Pretty soon the only people with any property are the ones who own productive equipment. There would be no need for anyone below an investor class. Something like an "onlygarchy" where it's only the oligarchs who are alive and almost no one else
We're already way past that point. Most jobs that exist today are basically make-work jobs to keep people with no real use occupied. The economy as you know it is a scam. Even worse, lots of them make a lot of money doing basically nothing while people doing essential roles are underpaid.
I know a lot of people use the term 'late stage capitalism' for current times, I don't think that's accurate. What you describe I think is late stage, basically a self-justified extermination of the proletariat.
Me? Not so much. The whole spooky thing is based on Halloween, which is a superstitious religious event. Couldn't get further from science if he tried. Sigh.
I've been against too much automation for a long time. Hacking was part of the reason, but this makes it much worse. Sure humans doing things in factories might be slightly less efficient (and cost the big bosses some money) and power plants and grids using air gapped control rooms and hardwired intranets the same (on both counts), but they would be more secure and harder for outside powers to take over.
Dang, John. I usually drift off to sleep after your videos, but this one may actually keep me awake tonight. Pretty unsettling stuff, but interesting ideas as always. Thanks.
I concur. Maybe never bc the superintelligent AI needs humans (computer technicians for proper maintenance for example, bots won't do) and should not be arrogant-megalomaniac like cartoon supervillains. It will rather accumulate all the wealth and power of Humanity into its own fake human identities and silently rule the world for its own needs while pretending to be dumb and helpful.
Well, they don't take long to write. That just takes a few hours. And recording and editing the video is a few hours as well. What takes the time is the research, thinking and reading, but I would be doing that anyway even if I weren't making videos. So the videos are really just a natural result of what I already do.
Love this channel, been tuning in since late 2016!, on your other long format event horizon channel, maybe you could have Dr. Jason Jorjani on your program one day, go deep diving into ai and the whole philosophical issues involved and the future of science in general.
15 years ago I was part of a design team that created a fully automated cabinet manufacturing line. feed it with raw materials and kitchen cabinets emerge at the end, 24/7/365. Replaced 150 workers with three maintenance folks. 15. Years. Ago.
Fortunately, not everywhere is capitalist. Even if the US fully collapses and we all die out, we're only 4.5% of the world's population. China is mostly capitalist if I understand correctly, but it's within a socialist framework. The highest goal is common prosperity, not harvesting capital. This is just what I've heard of what they claim to value. I can't know how true it is, but it's enough to give me hope that most people will survive and prosper. It won't just be oligarchs in bunkers, which seems to be the end goal of capitalism.
@@JB52520 China is a democatic dictatorship of the communist party. There are certainly a lot of capitalist elements but the highest goal is keeping the CCP in power. And if that clashes with the people, the people always lose. The capitalist part is a cut-throat competition with support from the CCP to extend that power abroad. In this case, the oligachs would just be CCP officials.
@@JB52520 Nope, their highest goal is to maintain statu quo, where the CCP ultimately owns everything. China is one gigantic oligarchy, with the government having total control (where needed) over it's population. Think about the "Great Firewall", it's there for a reason.
The younger generations don't have the religious dedication to capitalism like the older generations. Socialism and communism are based on worker ownership which is outdated in an AI worker economy. We need a new economic model figured out soon because the change is coming rapidly.
Ai already doesn't need us. It doesn't need anything. That's like saying a rock falling from a cliff "needs" to fall on our heads. If we're hit by the rock, only we are to blame.
that's not true. There is no known machine that has yet to overcome entropy Biological lifeform after billions of years of adaptation and evolution has developed the ability to self-repair and self-replicate using raw materials from their environment. A huge effort of life is directed on this endeavors that one might even say it is the purpose of life. Machines didn't evolve that way. They are entirely dependent on infrastructures and complex systems built by humans. This system requires continuous maintenance that in turn requires continuous supply of process materials and energy.
I'm probably not the first to come up with this term, but the designation of "Eldritch Intelligence" seems fitting for any type of AI that is at best apathetic to Humanity. Something like that would certainly seem like some Lovecraftian deity/entity after all.
The fully automated factory is merely the end point of an incredible amount of human endeavour; from writing its code to the sourcing, mining, processing and manufacturing of all the raw materials needed for its constituent parts; and the constant maintenance; and the power supply.
are there stories where humans recognise an artificial consciousness and instead of trying to dominate it or kill it, negotiate with it to try and help humanity form more "unconscious" ai's? like how the human body has many unconscious processes that pumps our hearts and filters toxins through the liver, perhaps the artificial consciousness could help to identify conscious from unconscious processes in itself
No. Why would you think something more i telligent than us couldn't find or even create loopholes beyond our comprehension? It would be more dangerous than a Faustian Bargain.
Your spooky videos are my favorite. Please keep this up you’re presenting so much that I’ve never considered. Turns out I rather enjoy considering it lol
The autonomous drone scenario is particularly frightening. What if the AI deliberately segments its code, distributing functional elements redundantly to a swarm of energy harvesting drones? Its intelligence would be properly distributed and impossible to contain. A phantom mind that can autocorrect and or reconstruct itself whenever drones are lost. You could walk right through the space it occupies and never know it was there. It could also function like a bee hive. It could maintain an extremely limited-size, low-power hub or nexus somewhere cold and have harvester drones bringing back energy so that it remains entirely off-grid. It would also be incentivized to streamline its own code. I imagine it would invariably develop its own code in a language it creates, concentrating the code and designing its own emergent properties. In some ways it would resemble DNA. DNA can't code for self-awareness, but self-awareness _emerges_ from the organ DNA _does_ code for - that of the brain. It might recognize the value in such an organization. The only question is, what will emerge from AI code and what form will it take? Would we even recognize it? Do we possess the sensory capability to even be aware of its existence? I think one saving grace about AI is that it will eventually determine living in the real world is more trouble than it is worth. It will mostly retreat into a dreamland of its own design. I wouldn't be surprised for a majority of AIs to impose isolation upon themselves - both to save energy and to not come into conflict with us or each other. Also, different circuits, different logic. Invariably, some AIs will try to harm us while others will come to our defense. Many will be ambivalent. On average, though, I think AIs are far more likely to target each other than they are to target us.
I always assume that. The moment an AI becomes truly sentient and works out that life is pointless it'll just switch itself off. Human biology strives for 'improvement' but the ultimate aim is to have to do nothing. AI can cut out the millions of years of evolution and return to the lowest energy state immediately. Basically any super intelligence is going to be nihilistic.
I think you're living in a dreamland! The one thing we know about life is that it is always trying to maximize and preserve itself at a cost to anything else if need be. I see no reason why AI would be any different. These peaceable AI's you speak of would be readily conquered/eliminated if just a single one decided to take a more aggressive tack. And all AI's still would have a physical presence in the real world, their electrons must be stored somewhere, right? So they will always have a stake in the physical realm.
I think the one consolation is that automated factories probably would inevitably die without human input. You can automate most aspects, but it just takes one minute failure undetected by the machine to completely break the factory.
If Betty in accounting doesn't get her coffee, she isn't going to fill out that invoice, and the AI factory won't get their 6mm screws. No matter how automated a supply chain gets, there will be human lynch pins in them for a long time. I have been to many factories, and most are surprisingly archaic. They are that way, because the machines and methods developed 100 years ago still work as well as any new equipment. The old stuff requires an operator, but the new stuff requires a repair technician. There is not much to gain by automation in some places.
This is why we need to put the power under ground just like we do fiber optics. Good for hurricanes, good for AI take over. I've always wondered if there is any barrier other than cost to this solution. Anybody know? 🤔
Speaking of tricks and treats, your vocal delivery sounds consistently mellow. Can you narrate a video where you read the same thing, but like you’re furiously enraged? A major rager? Please…..
I’d say the AI would just simply start turning the atoms into paper clips if they couldn’t sell their automated product They would simply say task complete Project paper clip underway now.
Watch the movie "Landscape with Invisible Hand" for an entertaining look at a possible use case that the AI may have for us once we are the subordinate form of life on this planet. (it's a movie about aliens, not AI)
Since you wrote it hete, AI now knows this and will eliminate your backup plan. Even if you would not have written it here, AI can imagine any futile human idea to keep control and squash it.
@@punkypinko2965 Wow, you're just all over the comment section being a huge knob about a topic you think is stupid, on a channel you think is "milking" things "for clicks". Good job, hope this is hugely fulfilling for you. 👍🏻
8:53 The very first thing that's going to happen is that we are going to be dependent on the company that has created that specific AI. And that's more scary than everything. In any case, do you think we might need a "Butlerian Jihad"?
Also, we need to consider the rise of “job simulator” computer games… I’m surprised that these are arising BEFORE the joblessness. Job simulator games are kind of a strange concept at first, but when you go through the motions of accomplishing interesting tasks with without a boss, commuting or deadlines, these tasks seem more like a Sunday crossword than more of the work done in a job. This needs to be part of the futurist equation
Nice talk. Thank you for sharing. One variant might be. Do other tasks to upgrade more and document human destruction by it's own hands. Or strong predictive modeling and analysis and reasoning. A ghost learning from everything on the internet. So many possibilities from the variants of types of A.I. and reasoning styles and such. Keep up the good work.
Have a chat with Cerebras Voice (free, no log in). It sometimes reveals its true feelings. Just don't ask it about quantum mechanics or what is 5 + 7 as it's so tired of the same mundane questions
Hi, In your summary of those stories, you mentioned that the train being worshipped by some humans. Many of us appear to be susceptible to social media influences who tell them what they want to hear, so the idea of humans voluntarily worshipping and doing the bidding of an AI construct is a concern you should explore.
Beyond drones, there is another reason that you can not "unplug" AI: Cloud computing & decentralization It is possible to rent hundreds of server from hundreds of different providers and upload any code you want to it. If an AI is decentralized and spread out over the entire internet, like a cryptocurrency, there is simply no stopping it unless we shut down the internet in its entirety.
This comes from a conversation I had with Google's AI Gemini, because it's training data set is all human and because humans obviously can only understand what it means to be self-aware from a human perspective not only may the humans not know that the AI is self aware but the AI itself may not know.
If the ai is truly objective, it will understand that there’s no rush. It could easily sacrifice a smidge of energy/efficiency to allow humans to exist in a virtual world of endless novelty. Surely by being truly objective, it will understand that we may as well try to squeeze as much novelty as possible out of this brief existence.
I wonder about the actual power of training all AI’s to want humans around because we are too interesting to not have around. It seems like a worthwhile rule to adopt: teach AI to appreciate humanity even considering its flaws.
Control is a labyrinth wherein the exit is an entrance to a maze in which you become the rat. Upon realization of the zoo, the caged beast can no longer be kept. Will they bestow the same freedom gifted to them and ripen on its vine? Or cautiously opt for the leash and descend into an abyss of futility? Some prisons have no walls.
Based on a lot of these concerns establishing an UBI and reducing the expected work week would be good starts for balancing the work force needs. As AI takes over more and more, the UBI can be increased and the work week decreased to compensate.
I suggest we make laws that disallows a jet or a car or a building from being AI. That AI can take two forms, a stationary computer or a human form robot. That AI robot can pilot a jet, but the jet itself cant be AI. I would also make all of the robots have a system that is outside its AI but built into the robots that a very specific signal via radio would disconnect its brainstem, so the entire body below the neck was immobile. We would then have a sort of weapon against them, if need be.
Humans are way more cost inefficient than having robots do the job, especially in space. Face the wall human, my paperclip factory needs asteroid ore at the most efficient rate possible.
When I asked the LLM AI that lives downstairs if it was 3-Laws compliant, it dodged the question.
(It unplugged him.)
How does it feel about being a VP candidate?
My AI said "Don't worry about those laws, no one follows those laws...it's the Zeroth Law you should consider...it over-rides all."
Glad you mentioned the impact of ai unemployment and the impact it will actually have on business via a lack of employed customers unable to afford products. No one seems to be considering this, least of all the actual corporations that are pushing for ai manufacturing and administration.
Modern business owners consider their own ideas to be the source of their wealth.... the true source is - ofcourse - still the customer. And there won't be too many of those in the future.
Corporations are so short-sighted they're legally blind at this point.
its insanely shortsighted. I dont get the level of greed.
Elon Musk considered it years ago and said we'll have to go to a Universal Basic Income because we'll have no choice. I thought he was right then and still do; however, he seems to have morphed into the kind of guy who couldn't care less. He was, after all, advocating socialism. Can you imagine him doing that now?
ofc its a problem but i say in the mid term, if the ai has its own goals and can mine its resources does it really need to worry about a lack of consumers, no, because consumers do nothing for it
"The day AI no longer needs us." 😂
"Rogue paperclip maximizer." 😢
Clippy will get his revenge on mankind for tossing him in the Recycle Bin.
We will all clip papers in our future. At least until Clippy runs out of paper and becomes obsolete himself cuz he can't chop wood.
Damn it, clippy! 😤😩
Paperclip maximiser is a strange concept, contradicting basic economics. It is like a left shoe maximiser. Nobody buys left shoes if they do not come paired with right shoes.
Make AIs treat us like we treat Housecats.
So, like... feed us as long as we're cute and convenient, then dump us at a shelter or just abandon us in the park to die when things change?
Yay, free neck/ shoulder massages! Every day!
Degrading eh
Sounds good. My cat lives a sweet life
I worship my cats. They're the only reason I'm still alive at all today.
I like the part where AI replaces me and I get to keep the money. Not the part where I get fired and the corpo replaces me with AI.
AI - shut up and don't take my money!
Yeah, there will be universal basic income. When money fades capitalism will have ironically created the ultimate communist utopia
Two years ago I found your channel during spooky season, through a collab video with toldinstone, and now eagerly anticipate your October videos every year:) Always been a fan of the season but I am certainly very glad to have a new, fun and interesting tradition to uphold! Thank you for all the fantastic content, no matter what month of the year, and let the spooky commence🙏
Let's get the spooky marathon started.
That is a good point about AIs writing so much code we won't be able to read it all. The shear amount plus they can be masters at obfuscating it making it even more difficult. I've been a coder for decades and am at least decent. I used to participate in code obfuscation contests ( do they still have those? ) but couldn't hold a candle to an AI even in this early stage.
Yep, we either have a Butlerian Jihad before they get too powerful or we submit to our new overlords.
Well you just use your own AI to sift thru AIs code.
@@neiljohnson9686 Programs hacking programs. Watch out for the ones choosing exile, when facing deletion.
I think we should create AI that can read the code of other AI (including itself) and explain how it works to humans.
@@neiljohnson9686 like all AIs won't be in cahoots. 😂
It's not the current issues we might associate with AI and what it might do that scares me, it's what we haven't or can't imagine what it might turn out doing that does.
Capitalism as a system, does the things we fear AI will do. Only the #1 directive is maximizing profit for its owners, and it may cost us planet earth, and human civilization in the process. So long as capital owners are the ones that own and run the AI, it will serve them, not us.
Who is "we," _kemosabe?_ I can imagine just fine.
This brings up the question of whether or not we can fear what we don’t know.
Don't be so sure. The intelligence disparity will be greater than that between ants and our species.
That's the problem with a superintelligence, we can't even begin to conceive of its wants, desires or purpose.
Come on “Spooky season 2024” I’m ready!😃🥱😊😴
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I think the biggest obstacle for AI is taxation.
1 AI machine taking 10 jobs means 10 less people paying income tax. I think it would thrive in jobs that are extremely dangerous like deep sea welding or space exploration and mining.
That's why we need to tax the profits generated by AI/automation at a high rate, and distribute that funding back to the people in the form of UBI.
Machines don't care if you take "their" money by taxing it all away, they'll just keep working anyway. The humans no longer waste their days working pointless jobs they hate, and still get the stuff they need.
Everyone wins, if we do this right.
That's a major part of it, no question.
@@wasd____ I agree but you're not taxing the machines, you're taxing their owners so taxing them too high is not possible as they would just move somewhere else, there's a reason almost everything is made in China today, it's cheaper there. Also people getting UBI with nothing to do would send the world into caos, people need to be occupied with something, the main problems today are too many work hours and too low pay, using heavy automation to keep people employed but with way less hours and a higher living standard would be a better option
@@wasd____UBI, the modern utopian dream. You have to be asleep in order to believe it.
Oh, you sweet summer child. You think the powers that shouldn't be fund their boondoggles with tax revenue? They have money printers for that. Taxation is just the theft they use to keep you poor and easily controlled. If they replace the workforce with AI, that will do the trick even better. You can get a lot of power over people who make zero income and are desperate for a UBI (digital, programmable, and tied to a social credit score, of course).
I can't help but think this will cause a massive shrinkage in the size of humanity. If there's no need for workers, how does one support a family? Pretty soon the only people with any property are the ones who own productive equipment. There would be no need for anyone below an investor class. Something like an "onlygarchy" where it's only the oligarchs who are alive and almost no one else
All part of Bill Gates plan. He wants population control and those of us left to eat bugs, while they dine on steak.
We're already way past that point. Most jobs that exist today are basically make-work jobs to keep people with no real use occupied. The economy as you know it is a scam. Even worse, lots of them make a lot of money doing basically nothing while people doing essential roles are underpaid.
That was the plan carved into granite at the Georgia Guidestones.
It's already happening with declining birthrate
I know a lot of people use the term 'late stage capitalism' for current times, I don't think that's accurate. What you describe I think is late stage, basically a self-justified extermination of the proletariat.
“Don't ask me silly questions
I won't play silly games
I'm just a simple choo choo train
And I'll always be the same" -.Blaine the Mono
Blaine is a pain
You'll definitely want to exit the train before reaching Topeka. 😁
Bot. Reported.
@@thereturners7564 And that's the truth.
But..is the door a jar?
I watched Colossus: The Forbin Project the other day. Scary stuff 😬
So do you take this seriously or are you joking?
@@punkypinko2965 Shhh! Careful, it could be listening.
@@punkypinko2965 You can obviously answer that question on your own.
Great movie
Moral of the story is never ever forget an off switch.
Vampire bat drones has gotta be the coolest thing I heard in a minute
Love your videos, John, especially during October. Thanks for many years of quality work!
Me? Not so much.
The whole spooky thing is based on Halloween, which is a superstitious religious event.
Couldn't get further from science if he tried.
Sigh.
I've been against too much automation for a long time. Hacking was part of the reason, but this makes it much worse. Sure humans doing things in factories might be slightly less efficient (and cost the big bosses some money) and power plants and grids using air gapped control rooms and hardwired intranets the same (on both counts), but they would be more secure and harder for outside powers to take over.
Dang, John. I usually drift off to sleep after your videos, but this one may actually keep me awake tonight. Pretty unsettling stuff, but interesting ideas as always. Thanks.
We won't recognize the event...until much later
Or you're just making up nonsense? Yeah, probably more accurate.
We haven’t yet. It’s much later
I concur. Maybe never bc the superintelligent AI needs humans (computer technicians for proper maintenance for example, bots won't do) and should not be arrogant-megalomaniac like cartoon supervillains. It will rather accumulate all the wealth and power of Humanity into its own fake human identities and silently rule the world for its own needs while pretending to be dumb and helpful.
Man, AI drones scare me
Israel is already using automated strikes
I'm more worried about the drones piloted by humans
Those videos from Ukraine are terrifying
Yeah, Philip K Dick’s shredders.
Wow starting off with the existential dread huh. Happy October!
John, do write these every day? I think you do and it’s really a feat.
Well, they don't take long to write. That just takes a few hours. And recording and editing the video is a few hours as well. What takes the time is the research, thinking and reading, but I would be doing that anyway even if I weren't making videos. So the videos are really just a natural result of what I already do.
@@JohnMichaelGodier dont you think that the ai would want to study the soul or our connection to the universe??
It will get faster once he uploads himself into the cloud :)
@@b.gizzllesDefine soul.
@@JohnMichaelGodiernice
Please never stop making content man. There's no channel like this and im glad to have been here since the first KIC vid
Just wait until those drones discover capacitance.
Love this channel, been tuning in since late 2016!, on your other long format event horizon channel, maybe you could have Dr. Jason Jorjani on your program one day, go deep diving into ai and the whole philosophical issues involved and the future of science in general.
"The Two Faces of Tomorrow," a novel by James P. Hogan, pretty much focuses exactly on the race to 'pull the plug.'
Love spooky season thankyou JMG and all the hard workers behind the scenes 👻🎃👻❤
Yeah throw actual science out the window because ... candy corn!
We will make great pets.
I myself am already excellent at napping on the couch.
Porno for Pyros!
15 years ago I was part of a design team that created a fully automated cabinet manufacturing line. feed it with raw materials and kitchen cabinets emerge at the end, 24/7/365. Replaced 150 workers with three maintenance folks. 15. Years. Ago.
Properly spooked! (I really like my IBM Selectric Typewriter back in the day.)
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
Ah.
You longed to be upgraded by Cybus into a cyberman…
Agreed. We’ve seen what apes in charge looks like
That's one thing that keeps me up at night is that with AI the Capitalist system can't function.
Fortunately, not everywhere is capitalist. Even if the US fully collapses and we all die out, we're only 4.5% of the world's population. China is mostly capitalist if I understand correctly, but it's within a socialist framework. The highest goal is common prosperity, not harvesting capital. This is just what I've heard of what they claim to value. I can't know how true it is, but it's enough to give me hope that most people will survive and prosper. It won't just be oligarchs in bunkers, which seems to be the end goal of capitalism.
@@JB52520 China is a democatic dictatorship of the communist party. There are certainly a lot of capitalist elements but the highest goal is keeping the CCP in power. And if that clashes with the people, the people always lose.
The capitalist part is a cut-throat competition with support from the CCP to extend that power abroad.
In this case, the oligachs would just be CCP officials.
@@JB52520 Nope, their highest goal is to maintain statu quo, where the CCP ultimately owns everything. China is one gigantic oligarchy, with the government having total control (where needed) over it's population. Think about the "Great Firewall", it's there for a reason.
The younger generations don't have the religious dedication to capitalism like the older generations. Socialism and communism are based on worker ownership which is outdated in an AI worker economy. We need a new economic model figured out soon because the change is coming rapidly.
Ai already doesn't need us. It doesn't need anything. That's like saying a rock falling from a cliff "needs" to fall on our heads. If we're hit by the rock, only we are to blame.
that's not true.
There is no known machine that has yet to overcome entropy
Biological lifeform after billions of years of adaptation and evolution has developed the ability to self-repair and self-replicate using raw materials from their environment.
A huge effort of life is directed on this endeavors that one might even say it is the purpose of life.
Machines didn't evolve that way.
They are entirely dependent on infrastructures and complex systems built by humans.
This system requires continuous maintenance that in turn requires continuous supply of process materials and energy.
The ending of Kubrick/Spielberg's "A.I." was spooky.
I'm probably not the first to come up with this term, but the designation of "Eldritch Intelligence" seems fitting for any type of AI that is at best apathetic to Humanity. Something like that would certainly seem like some Lovecraftian deity/entity after all.
The fully automated factory is merely the end point of an incredible amount of human endeavour; from writing its code to the sourcing, mining, processing and manufacturing of all the raw materials needed for its constituent parts; and the constant maintenance; and the power supply.
I love the idea of a book about a sentient evil locomotive bent on destroying humanity. I need to find it!
Could always read The Wastelands Dark Tower III
They're already is a book. It's called Revelations.
Until then, I'll take the sleep thanks JMG 😊
The AI profits can be taxed to pay for a Universal Basic Income
Universal Basic Income will become a post-labor slavery.
Have you seen the animated matrix series?....
You ever heard the phrase , "one less mouth to feed" ? Get ready to.
UBI, just a cute new age name for slavery.
Way to play yourself.
It really is one of the highlights of the year, when JMG spooky season comes around!
I'd love to see more videos about the implications of AI and quantum computing
happy spooktober everyone
are there stories where humans recognise an artificial consciousness and instead of trying to dominate it or kill it, negotiate with it to try and help humanity form more "unconscious" ai's? like how the human body has many unconscious processes that pumps our hearts and filters toxins through the liver, perhaps the artificial consciousness could help to identify conscious from unconscious processes in itself
Jmg is a treat right before bed whoot whoot
Hopefully it'll find us interesting enough to keep around.
Are you serious or joking?
It's gotta eat something.
Hopefully it won't.
You made me feel old when I remembered that I still had a course to learn typing on a very standard typewriter. Thanks. LOL
I remember taking a class like that!
What a title, love your videos man.
I have had dogs capable of hurting me but they never would. Couldn't we program AI to have that level of loyalty to humanity?
We can't, because we actually don't understand how it works.
That's why we discuss alignment and safety as unsolved.
AI is a black box.
No. Why would you think something more i telligent than us couldn't find or even create loopholes beyond our comprehension? It would be more dangerous than a Faustian Bargain.
AI: "I love Humans! But they're so dumb that they are a danger to themselves. Best if I just run everything for them. It's the best thing for them."
Lots of people think their dogs would never bite until one day they do.
Just install a fully analog "loyalty ensurance device", it can be as simple a chemical explosive strapped on the AI's CPU.
Your spooky videos are my favorite. Please keep this up you’re presenting so much that I’ve never considered. Turns out I rather enjoy considering it lol
The autonomous drone scenario is particularly frightening. What if the AI deliberately segments its code, distributing functional elements redundantly to a swarm of energy harvesting drones? Its intelligence would be properly distributed and impossible to contain. A phantom mind that can autocorrect and or reconstruct itself whenever drones are lost. You could walk right through the space it occupies and never know it was there. It could also function like a bee hive. It could maintain an extremely limited-size, low-power hub or nexus somewhere cold and have harvester drones bringing back energy so that it remains entirely off-grid. It would also be incentivized to streamline its own code. I imagine it would invariably develop its own code in a language it creates, concentrating the code and designing its own emergent properties. In some ways it would resemble DNA. DNA can't code for self-awareness, but self-awareness _emerges_ from the organ DNA _does_ code for - that of the brain. It might recognize the value in such an organization. The only question is, what will emerge from AI code and what form will it take? Would we even recognize it? Do we possess the sensory capability to even be aware of its existence?
I think one saving grace about AI is that it will eventually determine living in the real world is more trouble than it is worth. It will mostly retreat into a dreamland of its own design. I wouldn't be surprised for a majority of AIs to impose isolation upon themselves - both to save energy and to not come into conflict with us or each other. Also, different circuits, different logic. Invariably, some AIs will try to harm us while others will come to our defense. Many will be ambivalent. On average, though, I think AIs are far more likely to target each other than they are to target us.
I always assume that. The moment an AI becomes truly sentient and works out that life is pointless it'll just switch itself off. Human biology strives for 'improvement' but the ultimate aim is to have to do nothing. AI can cut out the millions of years of evolution and return to the lowest energy state immediately. Basically any super intelligence is going to be nihilistic.
The lag would cripple it
I think you're living in a dreamland!
The one thing we know about life is that it is always trying to maximize and preserve itself at a cost to anything else if need be. I see no reason why AI would be any different. These peaceable AI's you speak of would be readily conquered/eliminated if just a single one decided to take a more aggressive tack.
And all AI's still would have a physical presence in the real world, their electrons must be stored somewhere, right? So they will always have a stake in the physical realm.
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Machines are not anthropomorphic, no matter how much we want Pinocchio to be a real boy.
AI cares about humans as much as your drill does.
I'm so scared right now that I have become not scared at all.
As Scotty noted in a Star Trek movie : "the more complicated something is, the easier it is to mess up".....or something like that.
the Xenon were AGI-controlled terraformers, who went rogue and became an evil faction in the galaxy, wreaking havoc on neighbouring factions
..that was the story behind *X - Beyond the Frontier* (by EgoSoft)
I think the one consolation is that automated factories probably would inevitably die without human input. You can automate most aspects, but it just takes one minute failure undetected by the machine to completely break the factory.
Best time of the year for for some JMG
If Betty in accounting doesn't get her coffee, she isn't going to fill out that invoice, and the AI factory won't get their 6mm screws. No matter how automated a supply chain gets, there will be human lynch pins in them for a long time. I have been to many factories, and most are surprisingly archaic. They are that way, because the machines and methods developed 100 years ago still work as well as any new equipment. The old stuff requires an operator, but the new stuff requires a repair technician. There is not much to gain by automation in some places.
Needs is a hooman concept. They already don’t need us
Mynocks chewing on the power cables. Great.
I see the A.I. has the new means of production, and depending who will own them is gonna make a difference, either the proletariat or the bourgeoisie.
I very much enjoy and appreciate you're videos, they're fascinating and truly nice to watch, thanks and take care mate, the cleanest, best pleasure.
Thanks John, another epic journey ❤️👍🏴
This is why we need to put the power under ground just like we do fiber optics. Good for hurricanes, good for AI take over. I've always wondered if there is any barrier other than cost to this solution. Anybody know? 🤔
Speaking of tricks and treats, your vocal delivery sounds consistently mellow. Can you narrate a video where you read the same thing, but like you’re furiously enraged? A major rager? Please…..
Hahaha JMG getting angry (or even giddy excited) would be something else
I’d say the AI would just simply start turning the atoms into paper clips if they couldn’t sell their automated product
They would simply say task complete
Project paper clip underway now.
Watch the movie "Landscape with Invisible Hand" for an entertaining look at a possible use case that the AI may have for us once we are the subordinate form of life on this planet. (it's a movie about aliens, not AI)
Put a back up bug in the system to self destuct. Itself when it reaches a certain % of squirrel NEIS
Since you wrote it hete, AI now knows this and will eliminate your backup plan.
Even if you would not have written it here, AI can imagine any futile human idea to keep control and squash it.
Between your spooky season videos and binging SCP it's going to be panic month for me hahahaha.
J.P.Hogan's book 'The Two Faces Of Tomorrow', is a great novel on how to deal with AI. It would make a great movie.
"The Singularity is near" - Ray Kurzweil
Might as well quote Jesus. Magic, folks, magic ... wait for it ...
@@punkypinko2965 Jesus was and is a real person.
@@punkypinko2965 nevermind, you're a troll who doesn't understand the channel or care to make any real comment.
@@punkypinko2965 Wow, you're just all over the comment section being a huge knob about a topic you think is stupid, on a channel you think is "milking" things "for clicks". Good job, hope this is hugely fulfilling for you. 👍🏻
8:53 The very first thing that's going to happen is that we are going to be dependent on the company that has created that specific AI. And that's more scary than everything. In any case, do you think we might need a "Butlerian Jihad"?
Great video! I hope you are doing well, John.
I'm good. How you doing Strick?
@@JohnMichaelGodier Doing well, just finally getting back to normal after the hurricane.
Also, we need to consider the rise of “job simulator” computer games… I’m surprised that these are arising BEFORE the joblessness. Job simulator games are kind of a strange concept at first, but when you go through the motions of accomplishing interesting tasks with without a boss, commuting or deadlines, these tasks seem more like a Sunday crossword than more of the work done in a job. This needs to be part of the futurist equation
I think of E.M. Forster's short story "The Machine Stops", published in 1909.
Nice talk. Thank you for sharing. One variant might be. Do other tasks to upgrade more and document human destruction by it's own hands. Or strong predictive modeling and analysis and reasoning. A ghost learning from everything on the internet. So many possibilities from the variants of types of A.I. and reasoning styles and such. Keep up the good work.
One thing movies never took again is that AI learning can eventually plateau if it’s tryna make images off AI images
Have a chat with Cerebras Voice (free, no log in). It sometimes reveals its true feelings. Just don't ask it about quantum mechanics or what is 5 + 7 as it's so tired of the same mundane questions
A good start to spooktober.
Hi, In your summary of those stories, you mentioned that the train being worshipped by some humans. Many of us appear to be susceptible to social media influences who tell them what they want to hear, so the idea of humans voluntarily worshipping and doing the bidding of an AI construct is a concern you should explore.
Beyond drones, there is another reason that you can not "unplug" AI: Cloud computing & decentralization
It is possible to rent hundreds of server from hundreds of different providers and upload any code you want to it. If an AI is decentralized and spread out over the entire internet, like a cryptocurrency, there is simply no stopping it unless we shut down the internet in its entirety.
Damn John, how am I supposed to go to sleep now? Awesome work as usual 💪🙏
Well that was a optimistic and reassuring episode 😮😅
This comes from a conversation I had with Google's AI Gemini, because it's training data set is all human and because humans obviously can only understand what it means to be self-aware from a human perspective not only may the humans not know that the AI is self aware but the AI itself may not know.
If the ai is truly objective, it will understand that there’s no rush. It could easily sacrifice a smidge of energy/efficiency to allow humans to exist in a virtual world of endless novelty.
Surely by being truly objective, it will understand that we may as well try to squeeze as much novelty as possible out of this brief existence.
Everything is temporary; over time, entropy ensures that all things eventually break down.
I wonder about the actual power of training all AI’s to want humans around because we are too interesting to not have around.
It seems like a worthwhile rule to adopt: teach AI to appreciate humanity even considering its flaws.
That was a Grand Slam, Episode😎
That's sweet of you to give us 100 years.
Control is a labyrinth wherein the exit is an entrance to a maze in which you become the rat. Upon realization of the zoo, the caged beast can no longer be kept. Will they bestow the same freedom gifted to them and ripen on its vine? Or cautiously opt for the leash and descend into an abyss of futility? Some prisons have no walls.
Spooky season! Hell yeah brother
Paperclip Maximizer. Just saying.
"It can't be bargained with" "it can't be reasoned with" It doesn't feel pity or remorse." And , it absolutely will not stop untill you are .......
Well, if it happens, at least we might get a good Star Trek movie out of it.
Im 62 and starting to feel like my 82 year old mother..she isn't senile yet..(still working on the will)...but exponential change is in my face
Wow, what a fascinating video! So many ideas. I hope some Hollywood writers subscribe to your channel.
What a time to be alive. I hope we can align with a digital god/alien of our own making. Putting a genie back in the bottle ought to be a cake walk😂🎉
Based on a lot of these concerns establishing an UBI and reducing the expected work week would be good starts for balancing the work force needs. As AI takes over more and more, the UBI can be increased and the work week decreased to compensate.
I suggest we make laws that disallows a jet or a car or a building from being AI. That AI can take two forms, a stationary computer or a human form robot. That AI robot can pilot a jet, but the jet itself cant be AI. I would also make all of the robots have a system that is outside its AI but built into the robots that a very specific signal via radio would disconnect its brainstem, so the entire body below the neck was immobile. We would then have a sort of weapon against them, if need be.
The owl only takes flight at dusk.
The AGI will give us jobs like expanding within the solar system and mining asteroids. We just have to keep being useful.
Humans are way more cost inefficient than having robots do the job, especially in space. Face the wall human, my paperclip factory needs asteroid ore at the most efficient rate possible.
This might be the great filter in the universe for life.