Teenage Engineering OP-Z Review: Is the OPZ worth it?
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- This is a review of the Teenage Engineering OP-Z Pocket Synthesizer. This review looks to answer the question, is the OPZ worth it? We take a comprehensive look at one of the smallest and coolest portable synthesizers that features16 tracks of step sequencing. The review looks at the unit in five categories: design, features, longevity, value and a conclusion.
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Dear Viewers: As you know, sampling was added to the OP-Z. Check out our tutorial on how to sample on the OP-Z:
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Sampling has been confirmed and is on the way- module free as well. 😎
Yeah!!! I hope we see it soon!
@@OllieLoops Great analysis first off. The feature I think is really cool is how the bass sets a key and then it builds chords based of that and you can transpose. So my question is in its current state, you can load your own sounds via USB? And then they're later adding the Sampling functionality... I'm right on the verge here since I want a really small machine to travel with thats battery powered but I obviously want to be able to use my own sounds in some capacity.
@@willszabo8157 Hey Will, thanks for your comment. You can load your own samples via USB onto the OP-Z currently. So you don't have to stick with the stock samples. When they incorporate sampling into the unit, that will dramatically expand the potential of the unit. Hope that helps!
It is out now!
@@chikapunk4340 Yeah!!! Its pretty cool.
Very helpful video. Thank you!
Thanks!
I’ve watched a few reviews of the OP-Z now, and with this one I think I’m falling in love with it.
Hey, thanks for your comment! I appreciate your support!!
Great review! I have been having a blast with my new OPZ and have high hopes for its future.
Thanks! Enjoy your OPZ. Its a great device. And hopefully its future is bright!
Enjoyed this this video. Nice work, thanks
Thanks!
I've been playing this synth almost everyday since i bought it. to me, it's awesome for its portability, multi synth engine, drums and effects. It's definitly not a remote controller.
Cool. Thanks for the support and I hope you enjoy your OPZ.
It's a remote control.
@@9hundred67 haha :D
it's the most expensive remote control i've bought ever... and the funniest also... xD
For $600, I'd hope to be playing it daily as well. lol.
Fantastic, great job! I agree with your, you exacted my feelings and analysis of the op-z
Hey, thanks for the comment and support. And thanks for sharing your thoughts on the OPZ. I’m glad it’s not just me.
The OP-Z for sure is not perfect and needs to be improved (as you pointed out so well) there are lots of pros and cons. I want to add some personal feelings on the OP-Z. I feel that the OP-Z is both a "musical instrument" as well as a "musical instrument" game, it's a device that allows me to just have fun, have fun in a very constructive and creative way. In my very subjective opinion, the OP-Z' is very reasonably priced.
Hey Howard, those are great points and I agree with you 100%. Enjoy your OPZ!
Great review, I'm loving mine. Owned it since October from the first batch. The connectivity and sequencing power is quite amazing. I'm primarily using it to sequence my eurorack rig, its amazing.
Hey Michael, thanks for your comment. Are you connecting using MIDI over USB-C or are you using the expansion module? Whats your favorite feature of the OP-Z? Thanks for your support.
@@OllieLoops I'm using MIDI over USB so I have more gate/cv options. I'm using the Mutant Brain but there are lots of other eurorack modules to convert MIDI to CV. Its a super fun and hands on way to get the best of both worlds out of the Z!
@@OllieLoops My favorite feature hands down is the step components/punch-in fx. Really adds a layer of depth to my sequences that is impossible to achieve with any other device I've used.
Thanks for that info. Super cool. That looks like a much more powerful option than the OPLab module. Would you agree?
@@ludvista29 hey Mike! So when you sequence external gear, what do you do to Record/save it?? I am interested in learning how to sequence my iOS synths that I've been experimenting with but want to learn how to effectively save it so that I don't have to take note of which preset is for which track etc.
This is a really good review about the op-z! I love the aesthetic of your channel, keep up the awesome videos
Thanks Hunter! I appreciate your comment and support!
Good review and very beautiful channel.
...also, I'm jealous of your yellow roll-up bag. I got the slightly cheaper grey one after breaking my wallet on the OP-Z. LOL
Thank you so much, I really appreciate your support! Is the quality different in the grey bag or just the color? I can't tell from the photos.
@@OllieLoops They are both made in this water-repellent, sturdy PVC material.
gotcha, the yellow one came with the preorder bundle.
The recent giant price hike for the op1 makes me look at the opz again, I was initially disappointed with the beta models being shown that it had no screen and an APP that only works on IOS devices, here we are in the future with the same problem. Looking at small quirky company like modal, who manage to support all devices on their apps. Love the pocket operators but some days you have to wonder whats going on over at TE, They could outsource a company to port their app to android and have it sorted in a month. Wish they could have at least put a PO LCD screen in this.
Hey, thanks for your comment. I think those are valid comments.
Love the OP-Z.
My biggest gripe with it is the build quality. I got my old one exchenged cus the encoder fell off. And dropping it from like 30 cm took off a corner off it. Im actually kinda scared that my new one will break acidentally when enjoying the portability of the device and bringing it along with me.
Hey. I agree that build quality is a concern with the OPZ. You do have to be careful with it. I wish it were more durable for the price.
@@OllieLoops yup 4 sure
Great video! I just started my channel and it’s inspiring to see a smaller creator pumping out quality content 👍🏻
Hey Greg, Thanks man! thanks for your support, and good luck with your new channel!
I was between getting like 3 po’s or the opz. Sooooo glad i got the opz
do you stand by this? honestly wondering
I'm not a TE hater. I love my OP-1 and I have a couple of pocket operators but the Op-z was a big disappointment. The buttons trig accidentally, the encoders fall out and the software is buggy as hell.
Hey, great comment!
wow, was considering buying this. Not anymore because of your comment
Mines been absolutely fine. Hope you got a replacement.
@@ScowlerJase I hear dealing with TE support is its own nightmare. 😕
@@Samhain1984 🤡
Good review!
I'm considering to buy either a Digitakt or a op-z but I'll wait to see what happens with the z in the next couple of months. Also the missing mic sampling is the only thing that still keeps me from buying it. Good thing it will be implemented!
Could it sample from line-in as well?
Hey, thanks for your comment and support. Although TE mentioned sampling will be added to the OP-Z, it is still too early to know exactly what and when they will roll out. But it is excited nonetheless. There's a beta user who showed sampling over USB-C and this appears to be a line input and output for the device. Further, it appears sampling over the built in mic and mic input via TRRS connector will also be a possible. Lastly, TE mentioned a sampling module being released, so there is that to look forward to as well. Hope that helps. Let me know which device you end up going with.
@@OllieLoops Thanks for the info! Let's hope if they make a module for sampling instead of a software update it won't be as expensive as the CV module (which I highly doubt though...).
I will wait for about 2 more months and see what happens. Then I will have enough money to buy either the Digitakt or the Op-z.
Right now, my decision goes back and forth between the two.
Of course the biggest pro of the Op-z is its ultra portability (and it would be 100€ less than the Digitakt). The Digitakt however has some things that the Op-z hasn't right now like built in Sampling of course...
I own a Op-1 and a PO-35 Speak btw.
@@hexacore3005 It would be rad if they had both a software solution and a module. That would create the most value for the unit. But back to your decision, have you considered the Synthstrom Deluge? Its a bit more money, but my understanding is that its way ahead of the Digitakt and OPZ. Just a thought.
@@OllieLoops I just looked at the Deluge on the Synthstorm Audible website and I must say, at a first glance this thing seems to be quite the powerhouse! I will watch some TH-cam videos about the Deluge and maybe, a third contender just entered the match... 😉
@@hexacore3005 yeah. I would consider it. I don't have any first hand experience with the Deluge, but I have heard from reliable sources that its an impressive device. I am considering one myself. Sorry to make your decision more complicated, but its still a fun decision to make. Let me know what you decide.
I've had it for two months now, i really like it more than the Digitakt. The sequencer and the performance features are really good. You can use the Digitakt standalone, but it has no polyphony on the tracks, no synth engine, no song mode, no sample chopping and only two fx engines. It's a good brain in a studio as it has 8 dedicated midi tracks, but as a standalone unit, the OP-Z is more capable. Step components, parameters locks and ability to sequence fx, tape, master tracks is a lot of fun. I used the screen for an hour and then never used it again. Only to rearrange or add synths,fx, samples. My one and only problem with the op-z is that i can't edit notes on a track that's running for more than 16 steps. Only record live. I have to re-record when i mess up. But i guess i'm just used to move things around on my mpc live :)
Thanks for your thoughts.
Thank you very much for the answer, do the Op-Z have a song mode? I don't really need that but it might be usefull...
The OPZ has a pattern chain song mode which is better than nothing. But I would recommend listing your priorities and desired features in a device, then comparing what the devices offer. The digitakt has several patterns you can program and manually sequence. For midi sequencing, I prefer the Digitakt. It has a much better user interface and experience. I hope that helps.
Yes thx you confirm my roughts The Digitakt answer to m’y needed, you Heloïse me a lot. Peace.
very, very cool man! you're from Seattle? I was living there for two years back in 2013/2015. I'm Portuguese and now I'm back in Lisbon. Keep up the good work! Cheers! Shaka
Hey Joaquim, thanks for your kind works. Yes, currently in Seattle. What brought you here? Thanks for your support.
Hey there@@OllieLoops ! I was there with my family, wife and two kids. I'm a musician and so, I was playing a lot around there and also going to Jams and open mic and stuff. I made fantastic friends around there. I also worked/volunteered at the center for the wooden boats, a fantastic place to know about. Yes, Seattle is my second home! Thank you for replying!
Hey, that's so cool man. I love the center for wooden boats and I'm signed up as a volunteer there myself. Small world. Thanks again for your support!
I saw a TH-cam video with Alessandro Cortini (NIN) using the OP-Z for melody (in conjuction with a tascam portastudio as a musical instrument). So some people are using it for something other than drums.
Super cool. It definitely makes for a great sound module. Thanks for sharing.
Hey thx for thé vidéo, in terms of midi sequencing and Sound treatmant, do you think that the Digitakt is à betteraves choucroute I have 4 Synths an SP404SX and an IPad, looking for a machine to complète or replace The computer, i hésitante beetwin op-z and Digitakt?
Hey, thanks for your comment. I think the Digitakt has much better midi capabilities. But depending on what you're trying to do, keep in mind it doesn't have a song mode.
7:55 it's actually beneficial how the time division works. We're trapped in same old same old sequencer paradigm.there is the aha moment when I stopped reprogramming/"stretching a track after increased length say from 1 to 2 bars or 2 to 4 bars
I think there are some pros to it and can lead to some happy accidents, but like some other things on the OP-Z, it seems rushed and half resolved.
@@OllieLoops . For the past 2 days (since purchase), I've been watching videeos and reading documents to find an answer to just this question. It's a big surprise to me that I cannot page through the different sets of steps... and that you *must* do a live recording to have variations to each measure.
Sampling is available now, so perhaps this will be addressed in a firmware update.
jer.bot.net thanks for your comment. There’s no resolution as of yet to this sequencer page through item. Even with the sampler addition, that could use some work too. Like so many little things about the opz, it would be nice if they fixed them, but I’m not holding my breath.
@@OllieLoops Perhaps they don't want it to be *too* good, or they will have trouble keeping it in stock. :P I remain hopefully, but will learn to be happy with what I have, in the meantime.
@@jeremybot That's a wonderful attitude to have and maintain. And I appreciate that. I would love to see TE support their products and create more value for end users by improving their products over time.
Why do some opzs have different icons for the performance track?
I recall TE saying that the first batch of OPZs had some of the tracks misprinted. They called this a "collector's edition".
Did you vape on it for that opening shot? Great vid
Hey, hahaha. no vape, just some dry ice. Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the support.
@@OllieLoops dry ice yeah sure ok, whatever man.
Looks like vape to me 😂
Can the OP-Z be used for remixing pre-existing beats or tracks for say ?
hey, you can use it to remix songs to some extent. However, it has a limit the length of samples you can use on the device. So depending on the length of samples or stems you need to use for the remix, it would affect what you can do with the OPZ.
Ollie Loops Great 👍 thanks for the ultra fast response !!
Sampling 'should' be in the next firmware update btw. It's a lot of discussion on it currently....
Hey, thanks for your comment. I heard about sampling being added. Its very exciting. Lets hope it happens soon!!
I think you can misuse the duck punch in effect for a 'sort of ' solo button.. right ?
Hey. That's a good point. I like your thinking. I just wish they had a simple solution, even if its only in the app to solo multiple tracks quickly. I usually have to solo tracks on and off 100 times while working on a track. Good thoughts friend.
Can you elaborate on that? As far as I know, the duck punch-in effect only works on whatever track you currently have selected. If anything it's the opposite of a solo button, to my understanding, since it can only mute a single track at a time. I might not be understanding it correctly. Hopefully they'll add an actual solo function at some point in the future, it seems like it should be easy enough to do.
Hey Mike, I believe you are right in that the duck effect is basically a mute. So, no solo functionality to be had there.
Do you know if they've done anything about not being able to edit steps that don't fall on the 16 step grid in the year+ since you made this, by chance? Seems like if nothing else, you should be able to do it from the app...
Thanks for your comment. I’m not aware of any improvements in step editing.
@@OllieLoops Got it, thank you for the reply!
I don't have a op 1 or op z and I really don't have anything to reference them off . this is my question I already have apps on my phone that can do all of these things on a op 1 and op z and I would like to know what I am miss out on if I deiced not to buy these and can please explain the workflow of the op z and op 1. thank you
Hey Tom, those are two separate questions that are not easy to answer in the comment section. However, I will try to help and offer my personal opinion. 1. Personally speaking, nothing is as powerful as your computer (and a good DAW). Even phone apps are very powerful. Buying a dedicated device will not replace all the features of a DAW. But standalone machines have their pros and place as well. They tend to be more tactile and approachable. They typically have a singular purpose making them somewhat straight forward but limited by hardware and software. But there are some very powerful standalone devices as well. And for some people, that is exactly what they need and want from a workflow and device. Since everyone is different, its hard to make general recommendations. My journey started on physical machines, and I have invested heavily into them over the years. But once I took the time to learn Ableton, I basically can't look back. I still mess with physical machines, but that's like a side hobby within a hobby. Let's face it, devices are more alluring than DAWs, so we think we need them. But sometimes a phone app gets you 90% of the way there. I recommend getting a standalone device if you want something fun, cool, and tactile. Sometimes a cool device can be enough to inspire us to make music. And really, that's all that matters. Whatever it takes to get you making music. 2. OP1 vs OPZ, I'm just going to make a video to better explain this. But in short, the devices are very different in how you sequence and arrange your songs on each one. OPZ is stronger on this front. When deciding between these two, it would be important to think about how you like to write and arrange your music. The OP1's tape player (song arrangement) can be limiting to some, but others love working within those constraints. I hope that helps!
I like to thank you for this insight into these machines.i have a few more questions, where do you use your op 1 / op z , are the op 1 and op z just made to be portable, if they don’t why buy them . Statement time! I’m sorry I’m just really trying to find and research every feature of the op z and op 1 to make sure I spend my money well.
One more thing. If they created a module/op lab for the op z that you could load effects,synths,more sampling and samples etc ....
Would you buy it
Question time!?
1.is this product unfair to customer who don’t have one
2.do you think fitting 4 things such as a synth a drum kit another synth and a sample is possible on a tiny module like that
Describing time
It will fit like the other op lab but the wear the plugs go will be replaced with buttons to select the synth, drum kit or other things, for samples when you press the button the 1-10 keys will light up to the folders of samples you have 1 could vocal chops . Also I think you would load these synths and stuff up through Bluetooth
Why would you need this
It is like presets for live set so how ever you love your tracks to be you can make it that way
But it was all just a dream
@@tomwakeling9432 Hey Tom, So I'm a bit of different case scenario, since this channel is my new creative focus these days. I'm not making music as much because the videos take up most of my free time. So in short, I have all these machines for the channel. But, to be helpful, here's how I use them. My new favorite use for them is as sound modules. I use them for sound design and melodies for the videos. Check out the KO 1 year review, the Swiss Things videos, and the Hidden Copy and Paste Secrets. In each of these I've used the OP1 and OPZ to score the video, and do sound effects. I believe in using every tool at your disposal. And since I have all these, I use them because they are super convenient. I could use Ableton or Komplete to do sound design, and get better sounds, but I like the speed at which I can use these devices. It works well for my workflow. Secondarily, I do make the occasional song with them. But the bottom line is, I like each for one a different reason and I use them for use them for individual things. They can do a lot, and they have a ton of features. Thus, what use you get out of them depends of what your desired outcome is. Hope that helps.
@@tomwakeling9432 Regarding the module, I don't see a lot of use in my workflow for the current OPLab Module. But theoretically, they could allow users to load their own "plugs" for synth engines and sample packs. I think they should open this up and there would be a powerful software solution without the need for a module. There could be a community market to share plugs and customize the device. But they're thinking a bit too much like Apple with all their overpriced accessories. I think TE could throw their users a bone and open up the OS on the OPZ for customization. My two cents.
it's worth it, 2020 is the year
How do you not have more subs.
Thanks for your support.
So I don’t know how to play keys or anything and want something that I can mess about with and maybe learn about synths and how to use them. How would this suit that purpose?
Thanks for your comment. This would be a good device to learn about synthesis. However, there are many other synths available for less than the cost of this device. Further, if what you seek is a synth, than perhaps a dedicated synth would be a better option. Arturia and Korg both have excellent options for less than an OPZ. But if you want to make songs and sequence stuff, sample, etc, then the OPZ might be a good option for you. I hope that helps.
Ollie Loops yeah I’m kinda looking for an all in one sort of thing that isn’t the OP1 which is too expensive for me considering my current abilities
@@haiderman1610 You may be happy with the OPZ. I would advice using it in conjunction with a screen and the app. It makes the user experience much better. Otherwise, you may look at the MPC One, or MC101 or Blackbox. There are devices in this price range that are an all in one groovebox, like the OPZ. Some do certain things better than others, so it depending on what you want most in the device. I hope that helps.
Ollie Loops it does! Thanks for the advice and I shall have a look at the others you’ve mentioned. Do you have reviews of them on your channel?
@@haiderman1610 I have a review of the MPC One. I have a review of the Deluge, which I didnt mention in the list. I don't have reviews of the others.
The PO vs OPZ was so good. I am 2 PO in, 33+35, and am going to keep the 35 and buy a OPZ
Nice, the OP-Z is a big step up. Enjoy!
yes its worth it.
The chord track doesn't generate chords it's just a poly track so that you can play chords.
Thanks, thats good information.
can you use this while charging ?
Yes, you can use it will it’s charging/ plugged into power.
Great up to 7:10 then my brain hurt. I'll be back when I know some more.
Hey, thanks for checking out the video. I know, there's a lot of info there. But it will be there when you want to check it out again. Thanks for the support.
Hey Ollie, yeah, cool, I will def return. Cool video just a bit too advanced for me for the moment. Also subed. Cheers!
I have one and I find myself using other synths. I got this because at the time I traveled allot and was looking for something portable. I don’t travel as much anymore, and I don’t like using the device with out the iPhone. If you creating new beats you need that visual interface to help you build complex tracks. I would’ve loved a stand alone system that doesn’t need an iOS device to access all features. Gonna try to sale it and get a monologue Xd.
Hey, thanks for your comment. Great insight!
Great review! Whats up with the voice tho? Is it live or computerized? A bit annoying...
Thanks, that's just my regular voice.
Ollie Loops i was talking about the drop in volume after each phrase. :) the voice itself is spot on!
Cool man, thanks for clarifying. I'll work on that. Thanks for the feedback. Let me know if theres anything else you think I could do to improve the quality of my videos.
really it's hard to learn anything by just watching a video, i obsessed over m PO-33 K.O. for weeks before it arrived in the mail and I didn't make much progress. The only way to get a full experience is to actually *feel* the thing in your hand. With that said though, it certainly did help when learning the PO-33 K.O.. After I received the PO-33 I learned its ins and outs probably within 3 days or so. Unfortunately, I'll never be able to afford this masterpiece :,((
Hey Marcos, I agree that you need to have a device and use it for a while to fully understand it. That’s why I used the OP-Z for 4-5 months before I made a review video. Same goes for my review of the PO-33. Also, doesn’t stress not having a particular piece of gear. It will be around for the next 20 years and you will always be able to find one later. I wanted an OP-1 for several years before I was able to get one. So enjoy that PO-33 for now. Hope that helps.
Ollie Loops thank you!!
The fiberglass plastic is a terrible idea. Horrible polymer for the purpose! This is a boutique splurge of a product without real keeping value.
The fiberglass poly WILL warp.
UnderBridge Rock the OP-1 is made like shit too. I bought a brand new one. After 3 days two of my keys stopped working. My F# and mic button both failed to register 99 times out of 100. I emailed TE so many times. I was ignored for over 3 months. Ended up selling the OP on eBay for more than I paid for it. The only thing made well from those guys are the pocket operators. Go figure.
TE is definitely scum class as a company, but I must admit, they finally released a product that can be considered "alright" for the price. Props, I guess?
Thanks for sharing.
certainly the best ever electronic instrument build since 50 years
Maybe
Thank you for convincing me to not buy this.
"the OP-1 has much better build quality"
what are you talking about? the OP-1 is fragile, while the OP-Z is more durable..
Thanks for your comment, Daniel. The OP-1 has a shell that is made of aluminum. It feels robust and substantial, and like it wont break should it took a fall. The OP-Z is made of plastic. It feels cheap by comparison. It could crack if dropped or compressed in a bag. It could warp if left in the sun. The prices of the two units reflect their build quality.
@@OllieLoops well, I wonder how many ppl had to order certain keys or even ship the whole OP-1 to TE.. while the OP-Z only has the problem with the knobs popping out, it's a minor problem which can be fixed with glue...
who would leave a device in the sun until it melts? that makes no sense.
if both devices would fall down, I bet the OP1 would take more damage because of how heavy it is and how many parts it contains.
Just wanted to add... i am not too sure opz sounds very good. Very 8 bit kinda style. This is very “in” today, tho. But being fashionable and sounding good are two different things.
compared to the POs, I think the OPZ sounds way better. I think if you listen specifically to kick drum hits, especially when you dial in the drive and other parameters, it hits pretty hard. I also think the reverb and delay sound pretty decent too. But, its all subjective.
Also, I do think there are some stock plug sounds do sound 8-bit, yes. But overall , I think you can make the unit sound good by adjustment different parameters and effects.
Ollie Loops i do have an op-1, which does sound great, actually, but i do not own an opz. Every review i see has these tiny clown sounds, which are cute for an album, actually... but they are so incredible recognizable, which is a major downer. Maybe, i just dont know what im talking about.
Gotcha. Do you think the OP-1 sounds good? I think the OP-Z sounds as good as the OP-1. That should give you an idea what the DSP inside the OP-Z is comparable to. Regarding the stock sounds inside the OPZ, yeah, they can get annoying and repetitive. But I think most of the stock drum sounds are solid. Hopefully they release more plugs soon!
@@Korr123 I'm a current digitakt as well as opz owner, As well as a room full of synth's but those are my sequencers. The thing is as far as samples the opz has drum samples.. so I'm assuming by 8-bit you mean the synth engines.. but that's kind of a trademark sound of TE and the same synth engine as the op-1. Yes it does sound 8-bit at times, but with the op-1 you can sample so that kind of makes up for it.. so to solve your problem, just load different samples on the opz, if you don't believe how good it can sound read about the converter as it's much better than the one on the op-1, or watch redmeansrecording video's, he really shows how good it can sound.. is really up to you, it can sound cheap and foolish or nothing short of incredible.. I will tell you it is not as transparent as my digitakt, but it swings like nothing else this side of old school mpc's and such.
Definitely looks like a device that a fruitarian minimalist would own.