LOADING ROD O-RING Think 001 or 002. Folks at the local plumbing store joked it looked like 000! So, here is what you need to know about; I removed one of the loading bolt rings, and it is SO TINY...that no store had it and I was told to hit the hobby shop, like RC cars. Still no dice. Online, I found the 001 and 002, but it was SCANDALOUS! The minimum order was like $100 and I had to order 60! If you find a better deal, let me know. Just call Daisy and order new 880 bolt handle assembly. That is $10 total cost. Just go to the the Contact tab and work down to the phone number or email. 479-636-1200, Arkansas time, weekdays.
Hey, Great video!! Thanks for championing this issue. I purchased the Danco kit and it is everything you say it is. Works great in my old and new 880. Look forward to more videos!!
Russell, I wish you a successful fix! On these old-style brass tube 880s, if your compression chamber valve is still good, you are in business. If your check valve is still good, the O-ring change in BOTH front and back of the pump tube should work. Otherwise, for more heavy overhaul search JL Missouri OLD STYLE video.
I bought a Danco kit myself for my airgun repair needs and have already used them on my 880, and I think 841 too. It's been a while tho. I have that obnoxious hiss in my valve area again and probably need to put another seal in. I might have put it in wrong when I did it. It'll be interesting to see if these Danco seals will work in my Crosman pumpers. Nice seal update.
Yeah, when you put on twist valve I think folks should SEAT IT in the body- THEN twist and lock the valve. Then ring doesn't get pinched. Also those valve stems do wear out - so take a look at it. On Crosman, pump cup can't be store bought, nor Daisy chamber seal, but valve ring size #9 last time I checked.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 that was probably my mistake. I think I remember putting it on the stem first instead in the body. I'll try to do that differently next time. Thanks for reminding.
@Dad72hthorn - How is the 841 seal fix? Is it the 822 or 880 that needs #7 seal? Let me know how it goes. My 77xs rebuild is great. And only the Danco Nitrile is just like the OEM. The other store rings have issues.
You mentioned the pump tube pulling off. On the old style 880 the pump tube is brass and is held in place by a pin. A much better design, in my opinion.
Hard to argue with that. I never had the brass version. Otherwise, many older shooters who did have pre-1995 880 like the silver tube version better. They have stated the valve and rifling are improved. Yes, cheap ring in back won't grip the silver tube. Some store brands just too skinny. Danco Nitrile easy stand in for OEM.
Yeah, I bought 22x in late nineties that had metal sides and silver tube. It blew an o ring in back (I know the reason all these years later). The 22x didn't even make it through a single tin of pellets. Also, the wood forearms were drilled too deeply for screws, and the screws shredded the plastic pump. The gun was a mess. Congrats on hybrid though! That is a great gun to own in .177! For valve and chamber seal, you could strip Wal-Mart modern 880 for parts, catching it on sale. I call that cargo shipping for same day fix. Many other parts will transfer too. Not stock since you likely have one screw. Yes, your pre-1995 880, has valve at $10 and chamber seal at $17. Likely $32 with shipping. Not too bad since o rings can be found at store. www.jgairguns.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11764 www.jgairguns.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11830
Honey Bee, make sure to watch Crosman videos for repairing 760 (Am Machinist). You have a pump cup in pump head and one #9 seal in valve. The Crosman valve looks like a rocket ship. On reassembly the pump cup and valve go in TOGETHER....or else it will resist you. Yes, ring in the Danco kit. #9 last I checked.
NOTE THIS IS NOT A HACK. Daisy uses standard SAE rings: A113, A012. Danco easily equal to nitrile OEM. Nitrile is the rubber of your OEM rings and all kits shown in video. EPDM are actually better - more expensive - plumbing ring that last longer in water. Petroleum destroys them. Avoid them for 880. From Danco: "Danco o-rings will withstand heat between a temperature range of 86°F to 248°F (-30°C to 120°C). These tough and pliable Buna-Nitrile Rubber (NBR) o-rings will help provide long-term use for your plumbing needs. This o ring assortment kit is perfect for your faucet repair. Order yours today!" Marco Rubber: "Buna-N o-rings also referred to as NBR o-rings and Nitrile o-rings are the most widely used o-ring material in the world because of low cost, good mechanical performance with resistance to water, most basic oils, lubricants and some fuels, many pneumatic, hydraulic systems, and the default choice for basic applications. Buna-N o-rings are not recommended for exposure to sunlight, UV light, ozone and general outdoor weathering or harsh chemicals, acids, keytones and many others." House Repair Talk: "Typically, the nitrile O-rings sold for plumbing applications by companies like Master Plumber or Plumb Shop will be made of nitrile rubber (formerly called "Buna-N" rubber and correctly called acrylonitrile butadiene terpolymer) only because nitrile rubber parts are about 1/4 the cost of EPDM rubber which is considerably more resistant to both fresh water and chlorinated tap water. That term "resistant" means that it's properties don't change when exposed to that fluid, and that means that EPDM O-rings will continue bahaving like they were new for a longer period of time than nitrile O-rings when exposed to chlorinated water. "Economics is the crux of the matter here because nitrile O-rings for household plumbing applications will cost anywhere up to 25 cents each, whereas the same size O-rings in EPDM rubber will be anywhere from a dime to a dollar. Companies like Plumb Shop and Master Plumber know that they can get their brand into more stores if their product sells for 1/4 the cost of their competitors, especially considering that nitrile and EPDM rubbers are indistinguishable from each other by simple inspection, and with most people totally ignorant about rubber compounds." White Cross Rubber Products: Elastomer (Rubber) - Oil Resistance Nitrile - Excellent (👍) Viton - Excellent Epichlorohydrin - Excellent Polyurethane - Good Vamac - Poor Hypalon - Poor Neoprene - Poor Silicone - Poor Thermoplastic - Poor Butyl - Poor EPDM - Poor (👎) Natural Rubber - Poor EPDM materials are most commonly used in applications involving solvents, acids, and other aggressive chemicals. EPDM has very poor compatibility with most mineral and petroleum based oils and is seldom used in those applications.
not trying to be a smart ass but the O-rings are NOT spliced together. That extra material on the outside is called flashing from being made in a split mold. LOL good to know these part numbers and quality comparison.
Scott, thanks for the correction! You are DECENT. I don't mind being corrected when it is delivered right. Good to know they aren't spliced. I knew it was called flashing, and Danco rings that I've seen don't show that. Even the Daisy seal kits don't look as good. In my most recent 880 ring replacement, I went with Danco #11 (113) over the OEM from Daisy. It's going strong. It's when the correction is wrapped in abuse that it won't survive here. If you are an old timer, having TONS of knowledge is great. I just don't agree with older men who believe that they are magical figures like the seer in "Vikings." Or because they were smacked as they were learning that they get to pay it forward - no way! In an old Grizzly video, I went back and made clear in written form that I jumped too fast into that gun without mastering the language. The repair is done right, though. The pin is a valve stem, and I learned what OD and ID stand for.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 I agree and didn’t hope I sounded like that. It’s a great video and you made me change my mind and get the danco’s . Ive got some old harbor freight ones that I could use for piston seals but the chamber tube seal needs to be tight like you said.
Scott, you are a good guy. Thoughtful means SMART! Wish more tough guys understood that. Let me know how the fix goes. Yeah, the Storehouse are THIN. They worked in my P-17, but not my first choice, for nitrile, for my Daisy pump guns. Good luck!
Danilo, sin presión suele significar un mal anillo. Ya sea en el cabezal de la bomba o en la parte posterior del cuerpo de la válvula. Mi 22x (tipo 880) hizo sonar un anillo en la parte trasera porque tuve que bombearlo diez veces para mover el disparo de .22. Reemplace con nitrilo SAE 113 x 2. Danco #11. reemplace ambos anillos. www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-200-Piece-O-Ring-Kit-34443/100135126 Si está utilizando el tipo de latón 880 obsoleto, este canal realmente no ayuda. Esta solución debería funcionar para el tubo de plata 880. El tubo es por lo que pasa el cabezal de la bomba.
Danilo, ¿has probado la lubricación con aceite 30 SAE ND? Pruebe con lubricante antes de realizar trabajos de reparación. En la almohadilla de fieltro.
La verdad lo armé coge presión pero muy poca fuerza y no le e puesto aceite y que número de orin lleva donde c bombe para ver si lo compro por acá en Panamá m interesa aprender más del deisy 880
LOADING ROD O-RING
Think 001 or 002. Folks at the local plumbing store joked it looked like 000!
So, here is what you need to know about; I removed one of the loading bolt rings, and it is SO TINY...that no store had it and I was told to hit the hobby shop, like RC cars. Still no dice.
Online, I found the 001 and 002, but it was SCANDALOUS! The minimum order was like $100 and I had to order 60! If you find a better deal, let me know.
Just call Daisy and order new 880 bolt handle assembly. That is $10 total cost. Just go to the the Contact tab and work down to the phone number or email. 479-636-1200, Arkansas time, weekdays.
Hey, Great video!! Thanks for championing this issue. I purchased the Danco kit and it is everything you say it is. Works great in my old and new 880. Look forward to more videos!!
Going to go to the store tomorrow! My old 880 that’s from 72 or 74 going to be firing once more.
Russell, I wish you a successful fix!
On these old-style brass tube 880s, if your compression chamber valve is still good, you are in business. If your check valve is still good, the O-ring change in BOTH front and back of the pump tube should work.
Otherwise, for more heavy overhaul search JL Missouri OLD STYLE video.
I bought a Danco kit myself for my airgun repair needs and have already used them on my 880, and I think 841 too. It's been a while tho. I have that obnoxious hiss in my valve area again and probably need to put another seal in. I might have put it in wrong when I did it. It'll be interesting to see if these Danco seals will work in my Crosman pumpers. Nice seal update.
Yeah, when you put on twist valve I think folks should SEAT IT in the body- THEN twist and lock the valve. Then ring doesn't get pinched. Also those valve stems do wear out - so take a look at it.
On Crosman, pump cup can't be store bought, nor Daisy chamber seal, but valve ring size #9 last time I checked.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 that was probably my mistake. I think I remember putting it on the stem first instead in the body. I'll try to do that differently next time. Thanks for reminding.
@Dad72hthorn - How is the 841 seal fix? Is it the 822 or 880 that needs #7 seal? Let me know how it goes.
My 77xs rebuild is great. And only the Danco Nitrile is just like the OEM. The other store rings have issues.
Also, use Q-tip for squeaky clean valve chamber, and scrub area well where ring sits.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 I dont have a 341..yes I think if I remember correctly the 822 uses that small #7 on valve too.
You mentioned the pump tube pulling off. On the old style 880 the pump tube is brass and is held in place by a pin. A much better design, in my opinion.
Hard to argue with that. I never had the brass version. Otherwise, many older shooters who did have pre-1995 880 like the silver tube version better. They have stated the valve and rifling are improved.
Yes, cheap ring in back won't grip the silver tube. Some store brands just too skinny. Danco Nitrile easy stand in for OEM.
It’s just too bad that the parts for the old style 880’s are so expensive. I have two of them.
Just found out that one of my 880’s is a hybrid, metal receiver with a silver pump tube.
Yeah, I bought 22x in late nineties that had metal sides and silver tube. It blew an o ring in back (I know the reason all these years later). The 22x didn't even make it through a single tin of pellets. Also, the wood forearms were drilled too deeply for screws, and the screws shredded the plastic pump. The gun was a mess.
Congrats on hybrid though! That is a great gun to own in .177! For valve and chamber seal, you could strip Wal-Mart modern 880 for parts, catching it on sale. I call that cargo shipping for same day fix. Many other parts will transfer too. Not stock since you likely have one screw.
Yes, your pre-1995 880, has valve at $10 and chamber seal at $17. Likely $32 with shipping. Not too bad since o rings can be found at store.
www.jgairguns.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11764
www.jgairguns.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=11830
can you tell me if I can use the danco kit to replace the two valve o-rings on a crosman 760 and what # o-ring it would be? thanks......
Honey Bee, make sure to watch Crosman videos for repairing 760 (Am Machinist).
You have a pump cup in pump head and one #9 seal in valve. The Crosman valve looks like a rocket ship. On reassembly the pump cup and valve go in TOGETHER....or else it will resist you.
Yes, ring in the Danco kit. #9 last I checked.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 Thank you for your reply....
Is this the Danco o'ring kit? Danco 34443 Rubber Faucet O-Ring Kit.
Yes
What is the actual sizes of 880 o ring
Pump head and valve body rings are SAE 113 x 2. The poppet valve is SAE 012.
NOTE THIS IS NOT A HACK. Daisy uses standard SAE rings: A113, A012. Danco easily equal to nitrile OEM. Nitrile is the rubber of your OEM rings and all kits shown in video.
EPDM are actually better - more expensive - plumbing ring that last longer in water. Petroleum destroys them. Avoid them for 880.
From Danco:
"Danco o-rings will withstand heat between a temperature range of 86°F to 248°F (-30°C to 120°C). These tough and pliable Buna-Nitrile Rubber (NBR) o-rings will help provide long-term use for your plumbing needs. This o ring assortment kit is perfect for your faucet repair. Order yours today!"
Marco Rubber:
"Buna-N o-rings also referred to as NBR o-rings and Nitrile o-rings are the most widely used o-ring material in the world because of low cost, good mechanical performance with resistance to water, most basic oils, lubricants and some fuels, many pneumatic, hydraulic systems, and the default choice for basic applications. Buna-N o-rings are not recommended for exposure to sunlight, UV light, ozone and general outdoor weathering or harsh chemicals, acids, keytones and many others."
House Repair Talk:
"Typically, the nitrile O-rings sold for plumbing applications by companies like Master Plumber or Plumb Shop will be made of nitrile rubber (formerly called "Buna-N" rubber and correctly called acrylonitrile butadiene terpolymer) only because nitrile rubber parts are about 1/4 the cost of EPDM rubber which is considerably more resistant to both fresh water and chlorinated tap water. That term "resistant" means that it's properties don't change when exposed to that fluid, and that means that EPDM O-rings will continue bahaving like they were new for a longer period of time than nitrile O-rings when exposed to chlorinated water.
"Economics is the crux of the matter here because nitrile O-rings for household plumbing applications will cost anywhere up to 25 cents each, whereas the same size O-rings in EPDM rubber will be anywhere from a dime to a dollar. Companies like Plumb Shop and Master Plumber know that they can get their brand into more stores if their product sells for 1/4 the cost of their competitors, especially considering that nitrile and EPDM rubbers are indistinguishable from each other by simple inspection, and with most people totally ignorant about rubber compounds."
White Cross Rubber Products:
Elastomer (Rubber) - Oil Resistance
Nitrile - Excellent (👍)
Viton - Excellent
Epichlorohydrin - Excellent
Polyurethane - Good
Vamac - Poor
Hypalon - Poor
Neoprene - Poor
Silicone - Poor
Thermoplastic - Poor
Butyl - Poor
EPDM - Poor (👎)
Natural Rubber - Poor
EPDM materials are most commonly used in applications involving solvents, acids, and other aggressive chemicals. EPDM has very poor compatibility with most mineral and petroleum based oils and is seldom used in those applications.
not trying to be a smart ass but the O-rings are NOT spliced together. That extra material on the outside is called flashing from being made in a split mold. LOL good to know these part numbers and quality comparison.
Scott, thanks for the correction! You are DECENT. I don't mind being corrected when it is delivered right. Good to know they aren't spliced.
I knew it was called flashing, and Danco rings that I've seen don't show that. Even the Daisy seal kits don't look as good. In my most recent 880 ring replacement, I went with Danco #11 (113) over the OEM from Daisy. It's going strong.
It's when the correction is wrapped in abuse that it won't survive here. If you are an old timer, having TONS of knowledge is great. I just don't agree with older men who believe that they are magical figures like the seer in "Vikings." Or because they were smacked as they were learning that they get to pay it forward - no way!
In an old Grizzly video, I went back and made clear in written form that I jumped too fast into that gun without mastering the language. The repair is done right, though. The pin is a valve stem, and I learned what OD and ID stand for.
@@daisy880fanaticfixit9 I agree and didn’t hope I sounded like that. It’s a great video and you made me change my mind and get the danco’s . Ive got some old harbor freight ones that I could use for piston seals but the chamber tube seal needs to be tight like you said.
Scott, you are a good guy. Thoughtful means SMART! Wish more tough guys understood that.
Let me know how the fix goes. Yeah, the Storehouse are THIN. They worked in my P-17, but not my first choice, for nitrile, for my Daisy pump guns.
Good luck!
La verdad no le entiendo porque no entiendo el Inglés y necesitaría entender que número de orin usa el deisy en la bomba xq el mío no coje precion
Danilo, sin presión suele significar un mal anillo. Ya sea en el cabezal de la bomba o en la parte posterior del cuerpo de la válvula.
Mi 22x (tipo 880) hizo sonar un anillo en la parte trasera porque tuve que bombearlo diez veces para mover el disparo de .22.
Reemplace con nitrilo SAE 113 x 2.
Danco #11. reemplace ambos anillos.
www.homedepot.com/p/DANCO-200-Piece-O-Ring-Kit-34443/100135126
Si está utilizando el tipo de latón 880 obsoleto, este canal realmente no ayuda. Esta solución debería funcionar para el tubo de plata 880. El tubo es por lo que pasa el cabezal de la bomba.
Danilo, ¿has probado la lubricación con aceite 30 SAE ND?
Pruebe con lubricante antes de realizar trabajos de reparación. En la almohadilla de fieltro.
La verdad lo armé coge presión pero muy poca fuerza y no le e puesto aceite y que número de orin lleva donde c bombe para ver si lo compro por acá en Panamá m interesa aprender más del deisy 880
Porfa c lo agradezco y gracias x las información