Modern has such a unique function at high level where it's less of learning tool but an addition to the mental stack of the opponent. Your opponent having 1 button supers at the cost of normals and special damage feels like an old CVS2 groove and it's fun to see
I just reached platinum with my first character yesterday, so I am not high level at all. The modern control players I run into play in such a weird way. Very runaway heavy and it annoys me for some reason lol. I've also been playing on a leverless controller for about a month now, and I personally feel like that gives me an advantage. So, for them to tilt me so much is a bit telling.
My only main issue with it is I feel like im bot playing the same game as other people sometimes. Some modern control players legit play like their all gimmick characters
Modern really does force you to think about inputs. It lays the foundation for you to see where and what connects, execution and even using full on motion inputs if you about it.
Akuma will be very interesting in modern, imagine Akuma with normal health and a one button DP. Even in V he had a large moves set where you needed to use almost everything (only his normal dive kick was bad in five right?) I understand that some moves can be executed in manually in modern but he may be a character that you will definitely need to use classic. (also wonder if his V-trigger DP will be his normal DP in 6, that would be pretty busted if he can throw loop 0_o).
Honestly, I don't know the issues with modern controls. I love fighting games, but i am not good at them. I play on classic because I like the challenge of doing all of the moves, but the fun of fighting games is play with others. That said, my friend who plays with me doesn't like fighting games because of the inputs and all the work it needs to do, so he plays on modern, we play together, we both having fun, him on modern and me on classic, don't know why people hate this so much, in fact, it include more people to play the game
Because lot of classic mode play what we call "mind game" that mean we are conscious the time and the ability you need to make inputs for made the right technics in the right moment and we push opponents to made the wrong inputs. (Excuse my english) and that is the middle level of fighting game where we are all of us. And if you have a mode whose you are not input to made for make a technics is just useless to play fighting game. Always make the right input or not its the only difference between a pro gamer who play 10 hours per day and a good player who play only 2 hours per day.
I play modern and I say the only benefit is one button supers. You lose certain pokes and you still have to do classic motions to do certain special moves.
It doesn't look this is the case but if modern control end up later to be more optimal and stronger I really do think a fat majority of classic players will quit the game entirely.
That’s so weird to me, even after thinking about it like that. Modern doesn’t give you any true advantage, other than easy supers and specials, but even then, your combo opportunity is stunted, which is fair.
@@InvinciDonIt is completely unfair cause you can react to light and medium whiffs with just a single tap. The amount of time it takes to input the motion versus tapping it is tiny in hind sight but in fighting games, those frames are literally so important. Classic players are valid in their frustration when you are met with a level 1 super for just throwing 1 fire ball out
@@InvinciDonThe walk back into lvl 3 at 3:43 is literally impossible on reaction like that. A classic control player would have to predict he was going to wifi while walking back and buffer the input in advanced.
@@NeoZiggy92 There is a mod that changes Ken and Ryu's effects to several colours (rainbow, cyan, red, green and etc.) similar to Luke's here but it's PC only.
for you to be able to combo like this, you have to charge the blow and release it when it has a blue glow. At that moment he says "perfect", then you will be able to hit that last hit
Some of you in the comments don’t even know what you’re talking about with modern controls. It’s obvious the Luke player is using classic control inputs with his combos and mixing modern inputs on reaction. Mouth breathers here think he’s button mashing, he’s not.
Exactly, for new players I think Modern is good bc it allows them to understand what they’re doing without getting overwhelmed. To play at a high level you have to learn how to do inputs for special moves no matter if you play Classic or Modern.
Imma be real, in any elo below diamond modern controls arent gonna win them the game if you are playing solid. Shit is only gonna affect higher rank players who are playing solid. If you aint competing for money it aint that serious trust.
Sorry but nothing impressive here.. If you watch someone do the same thing using classic controls that is breathtaking cus you know the skill it takes to do all the inputs but seeing someone do all that using modern controls just spamming one button isn't anything special.
yeah cause fighting games are only about doing inputs right? reads, playing neutral, parries, reactions, etc dont matter at all, the only thing that makes you good is doing motion inputs! what a garbage take for real
@@renslo689 once you get a hit in? sure, but thats the thing, get a hit in against a good player, thats the hard part, not messing up a combo bruh, if youre worried about that maybe you should play modern
@@TigreExtremo Nothing you just said matters because all those things have one thing in common, and it's necessary. That thing is execution. OP is correct. It doesn't matter what you think you can do, if you're using crutches for execution, it means you're using crutches to do everything, and yeah, that ISN'T very impressive. Reads my ass. Anyone with eyes can read. Getting your hands to react in time to what you see and input a series of commands is impressive. Waiting to mash a button like you're hitting the buzzard on a fucking game-show isn't impressive by comparison. Maybe you guys should pick up jeopardy or family feud instead lol.
Modern control players shouldn’t be allowed to play classic control players it doesn’t make sense to why it needed to be in the game but I guess they trying to make it easier for kids to pull off high damage combos
Yeah, it's also fun to see kids complain over something silly like modern controls. It's just another excuse for people who lose to them to say "I'm bad". They get easier inputs that limit their combo potential as well as nerf their damage and people are still losing? Back in my day we called it a skill issue.
@@TheSealedAngel exactly idk about the fighting games now they becoming too simple honestly after you get use to drive cancel the expansion of combos can’t go any further. I hate how you can’t link everything like sf4 was. Sf6 graphics are good but these companies keep remaking games and they all ways throw out the most interesting mechanics of the prior copy I don’t get it.
@@yungmeldrumswag4221 if you're interested in things like 1 frame links I recommend trying a game like MK1 or Tekken 8 since timing in those games seems very strict compared to this one. Other than that your best bet is a KOF game seeing as 1 frame links are VERY important in those games.
@dremercer622 So, by your logic, you are telling that more accessibility is a bad thing…? Can we stop with this “trial of fire” mentality and let people have fun? Modern controls were created so more people can experience the game and are able to join into the fun. And some of you are for real against it??? Jeez, you sure are all fun at parties with this gatekeeping. Hell, there are even some people who can barely play on classic due to some disabilities (like some people can’t do motion inputs, even if they really REALLY wanted to do so, they literally can’t (it’s just ONE of the examples)) and etc, so, modern controls allow them to play normally, to have fun too. What are you gonna tell them then? “Don’t play at all.”?
@@aestroelmaestro4114 yeah dont play at all or at least make a separate queue for modern. it ruins the game at any level of play. for newcomers modern will be unfair against real players (aka classic) and for pros modern is too easy to go against for real players (aka classic)
@@yan501 the only people that complain about modern are low ranks, cause they need to blame the fact that they suck on something, like you lmao, it doesnt ruin the game in anyway the cope is insane
![SF6 - TOKIDO [Luke] MODERN CONTROL is just Insane VS 🇯🇵 Top players [Street Fighter 6]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vAWWaA24UiI/mqdefault.jpg)
Lots of easy 1 button super reactions in this video. I wonder if we will see some M control players make it far at Evo.
Honestly I don’t mind easy execution combos but the 1 button reaction Supers and DP’s make modern controls feel really cheesy sometimes
Damn, you weren't kidding. Even Granblue makes you put in at least one QCF for easy supers.
I think we will
yeah the kid that faces daigo alot forgot his name He's a modern user.. almost 80k i think lp
how to get bgrnd music like that
Modern has such a unique function at high level where it's less of learning tool but an addition to the mental stack of the opponent. Your opponent having 1 button supers at the cost of normals and special damage feels like an old CVS2 groove and it's fun to see
I just reached platinum with my first character yesterday, so I am not high level at all. The modern control players I run into play in such a weird way. Very runaway heavy and it annoys me for some reason lol. I've also been playing on a leverless controller for about a month now, and I personally feel like that gives me an advantage. So, for them to tilt me so much is a bit telling.
My only main issue with it is I feel like im bot playing the same game as other people sometimes. Some modern control players legit play like their all gimmick characters
Modern really does force you to think about inputs. It lays the foundation for you to see where and what connects, execution and even using full on motion inputs if you about it.
This is what Tokido wanted to be.
But his hatred is not enough..
I hope tokido will be the #1 Modern Akuma!
Akuma will be very interesting in modern, imagine Akuma with normal health and a one button DP. Even in V he had a large moves set where you needed to use almost everything (only his normal dive kick was bad in five right?) I understand that some moves can be executed in manually in modern but he may be a character that you will definitely need to use classic. (also wonder if his V-trigger DP will be his normal DP in 6, that would be pretty busted if he can throw loop 0_o).
Honestly, I don't know the issues with modern controls. I love fighting games, but i am not good at them. I play on classic because I like the challenge of doing all of the moves, but the fun of fighting games is play with others. That said, my friend who plays with me doesn't like fighting games because of the inputs and all the work it needs to do, so he plays on modern, we play together, we both having fun, him on modern and me on classic, don't know why people hate this so much, in fact, it include more people to play the game
Because lot of classic mode play what we call "mind game" that mean we are conscious the time and the ability you need to make inputs for made the right technics in the right moment and we push opponents to made the wrong inputs. (Excuse my english) and that is the middle level of fighting game where we are all of us. And if you have a mode whose you are not input to made for make a technics is just useless to play fighting game. Always make the right input or not its the only difference between a pro gamer who play 10 hours per day and a good player who play only 2 hours per day.
M control Luke seems like fun.
I play modern and I say the only benefit is one button supers. You lose certain pokes and you still have to do classic motions to do certain special moves.
It doesn't look this is the case but if modern control end up later to be more optimal and stronger I really do think a fat majority of classic
players will quit the game entirely.
Nah, 1M prize money won't make anyone quit. But scrubs can't enjoy this game anymore because all pros are going modern..
If that happens I think the influx of new players that will come from modern being in the game and actually good would balance it out
Lol good
@@Syonaga_Auron777 your complete wrong about that. In Japan and everywhere else there are many modern top level new players already in top 100 masters
He’s Actually Cool!
0:35 A reaction. Modern Reaction but a reaction none the less.
i mean, the reaction is the same in both M and C, its just that in classic it takes extra time to do the input from the moment you reacted to it
@@TigreExtremoYeah but it's not as consistent as Modern controls since it's 1 frame. Inputs can't do that consistently.
Do you have a rank 1 vs rank 1 match? I wanna see 2 rank 1s going at it.
"NOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN DO MOTION🤓"-people that complain about M controls
That’s so weird to me, even after thinking about it like that. Modern doesn’t give you any true advantage, other than easy supers and specials, but even then, your combo opportunity is stunted, which is fair.
@@InvinciDonIt is completely unfair cause you can react to light and medium whiffs with just a single tap. The amount of time it takes to input the motion versus tapping it is tiny in hind sight but in fighting games, those frames are literally so important. Classic players are valid in their frustration when you are met with a level 1 super for just throwing 1 fire ball out
@@InvinciDonThe walk back into lvl 3 at 3:43 is literally impossible on reaction like that. A classic control player would have to predict he was going to wifi while walking back and buffer the input in advanced.
@@negeo1234 Then start anticipating it, be ready for anything
@@negeo1234 Modern is a simpler control scheme, but it’s still giving nobody an advantage, you still have to do quarter circle inputs half the time.
how do you use that upppercut at 0:51 ?
would be cool if on sf6 you could change the colour of the particles in abilities
I know, right?? That way I can give Ken his Green Hadokens back.
@@NeoZiggy92 There is a mod that changes Ken and Ryu's effects to several colours (rainbow, cyan, red, green and etc.) similar to Luke's here but it's PC only.
3:28 how did he combo this? i cant never land the last one hit (the 7th hit)
Me too
for you to be able to combo like this, you have to charge the blow and release it when it has a blue glow. At that moment he says "perfect", then you will be able to hit that last hit
lol Kawano....not sure that Dee Jay player was bet I respected the reaction super after Kawano did his modern reaction super
What music did you use for this vid? I fell like I recognize from somewhere but can’t fully picture from where
Eltnum
Its bayonetta music at the start. Sure its battle for the umbra throne
Best game out so far!
How did you make your effects purple
Tryhard crybabies about to come in and talk how modern controls are bad! Lol
Some of you in the comments don’t even know what you’re talking about with modern controls. It’s obvious the Luke player is using classic control inputs with his combos and mixing modern inputs on reaction. Mouth breathers here think he’s button mashing, he’s not.
Exactly, for new players I think Modern is good bc it allows them to understand what they’re doing without getting overwhelmed. To play at a high level you have to learn how to do inputs for special moves no matter if you play Classic or Modern.
Modern controls forever ruined street fighter integrity
Modern controls are easy mode like MVC don't try to encourage this boo boo way of play
Only people that are bad at the game say stuff like that. Everyone agrees, even the biggest and best players
Imma be real, in any elo below diamond modern controls arent gonna win them the game if you are playing solid. Shit is only gonna affect higher rank players who are playing solid. If you aint competing for money it aint that serious trust.
Sorry but nothing impressive here.. If you watch someone do the same thing using classic controls that is breathtaking cus you know the skill it takes to do all the inputs but seeing someone do all that using modern controls just spamming one button isn't anything special.
yeah cause fighting games are only about doing inputs right? reads, playing neutral, parries, reactions, etc dont matter at all, the only thing that makes you good is doing motion inputs! what a garbage take for real
@@TigreExtremo all that is true, but it takes more skill to use classic with the risk of messing up a combo, modern just allows mashing.
@@renslo689 once you get a hit in? sure, but thats the thing, get a hit in against a good player, thats the hard part, not messing up a combo bruh, if youre worried about that maybe you should play modern
@@TigreExtremo Nothing you just said matters because all those things have one thing in common, and it's necessary. That thing is execution. OP is correct. It doesn't matter what you think you can do, if you're using crutches for execution, it means you're using crutches to do everything, and yeah, that ISN'T very impressive. Reads my ass. Anyone with eyes can read. Getting your hands to react in time to what you see and input a series of commands is impressive. Waiting to mash a button like you're hitting the buzzard on a fucking game-show isn't impressive by comparison. Maybe you guys should pick up jeopardy or family feud instead lol.
Lmfao this dude could do all those luke shits on classic he just wanna be a special snowflake and play modern
Modern control players shouldn’t be allowed to play classic control players it doesn’t make sense to why it needed to be in the game but I guess they trying to make it easier for kids to pull off high damage combos
Yeah, it's also fun to see kids complain over something silly like modern controls. It's just another excuse for people who lose to them to say "I'm bad". They get easier inputs that limit their combo potential as well as nerf their damage and people are still losing? Back in my day we called it a skill issue.
@@TheSealedAngel exactly idk about the fighting games now they becoming too simple honestly after you get use to drive cancel the expansion of combos can’t go any further. I hate how you can’t link everything like sf4 was. Sf6 graphics are good but these companies keep remaking games and they all ways throw out the most interesting mechanics of the prior copy I don’t get it.
@@yungmeldrumswag4221 if you're interested in things like 1 frame links I recommend trying a game like MK1 or Tekken 8 since timing in those games seems very strict compared to this one. Other than that your best bet is a KOF game seeing as 1 frame links are VERY important in those games.
They make these games too casual friendly now and days
Kinda, theres more of a Mental stack when using Modern controls for sure but the damage nerf doesn’t make it so busted
Most players in the world are “casual” players! Video games were originally made to have fun, not be something to spend 8 hours a day at to get “good”
@dremercer622 So, by your logic, you are telling that more accessibility is a bad thing…?
Can we stop with this “trial of fire” mentality and let people have fun? Modern controls were created so more people can experience the game and are able to join into the fun. And some of you are for real against it??? Jeez, you sure are all fun at parties with this gatekeeping.
Hell, there are even some people who can barely play on classic due to some disabilities (like some people can’t do motion inputs, even if they really REALLY wanted to do so, they literally can’t (it’s just ONE of the examples)) and etc, so, modern controls allow them to play normally, to have fun too. What are you gonna tell them then? “Don’t play at all.”?
@@aestroelmaestro4114 yeah dont play at all or at least make a separate queue for modern. it ruins the game at any level of play. for newcomers modern will be unfair against real players (aka classic) and for pros modern is too easy to go against for real players (aka classic)
@@yan501 the only people that complain about modern are low ranks, cause they need to blame the fact that they suck on something, like you lmao, it doesnt ruin the game in anyway the cope is insane