Chad and Shari’s faces are shared in this video since both people are adults and have social medias/ live somewhat public lives online. That being said please be respectful as always, especially with such a devastating story! Much love and hope you are all well 💜
I'm sorry but when did the work primitive become cultural appropriation? Which culture is she referring to? Does only One race participate in survival skill camping and hiking ? EVERYONE'S culture has ancient ancestors that lived this way. These camps are garbage but geez that whole bit was the longest reach ever
This was a tough one. While the children's names are probably widely known I believe you could've respected each minors privacy by not introducing each one in detail. Appreciate the blurring out the faces.
Jodi had tremendous power, but never forget Ruby was abusing those kids long before Jodi was in their lives. This is why I still think the father needs to be investigated and charged. Things went bad long before he separated and moved out.
@@khaIid624No, she was absolutely abusing her kids long before Jodi. Verbal & emotional abuse are just as bad as physical abuse & the things she was doing most definitely inflicted psychological damage on those poor kids. She always had that darkness within her although it was somewhat controlled until she got around Jodi & she released it to its full extent. People not calling it what it is is the exact reason why her story ended up where it is today.
That a program with several confirmed fatalities, weekly supply drops, and regular exposure to the elements was somehow a _LESS_ hostile environment than his home life was terrifyingly eye-opening.
I do this but I’m a 34 year old professional music teacher who doesn’t sleep enough. Oddly enough I also play the sims 😂 I usually tell my students to practice whenever time of day they’re most focused. I should really take my own advice sometime lol.
@@Uncle_ChagHe had a job, he could have fought for legal custody, get Jodi away from his family, not LEAVE THEM for long periods of time, gather evidence, divorce, etc etc. He had so many options and he tried absolutely NONE OF THEM. Disgusting how men are always allowed to get away with the “but I didn’t do anything 😢” excuse when that’s exactly the problem. He did NOTHING. He can’t even be called a father.
@@bichitenshi6696- Exactly! He’s such a POS that at the same time he was acting all wide-eyed and shocked at what was going on, he was trying so hard to get his eldest daughter arrested for burglary. Way to go, Kevvie - that’s showing the love! 🙄. He doesn’t deserve a pass on any of this.
That stunt of telling her daughter she can’t read the books immediately after she just opened them on her birthday. Completely sadistic. Ruby seems to actively enjoy tormenting her children
Seriously, that moment was haunting. Ruby looked so delighted with herself when she was announcing her daughter was failing math and couldn't read the books. It was the same look she had when Chad revealed he'd been sleeping on the beanbag chair for months. She was saying "I don't think our viewers know that" but she was smiling and laughing as she said it. Ruby loves humiliating those kids.
@@mari-my5gr that's cause it's not about actually improving the kid's behaviour or grades, it's about, as she herself stated, making them suffer. She doesn't give a f abt anything else. In fact it seems like she actively sabotages them so they can fail and she can punish them.
the thing that gets to me about this “it was Jodi” narrative, is that Ruby was always like this. she was always weirdly gleeful at the idea of hurting her kids’ feelings, and identity. what Jodi did was give her words to justify her behavior
Right. If Ruby was a completely normal and loving mom before getting involved with Jodi, it wouldn't have been so easy to convince her to literally torture her children. Jodi just encouraged the darkness that was already there.
She was bad before Jodi, but it’s very fair to say she got exceedingly worse after meeting Jodi. She already very much had a deluded thinking when it comes to parenting and religion, Jodi REALLY banked on it and made it 100x worse. Ruby is to blame, it is her fault, but I do not doubt Jodi making things go from bad to the extreme
If I was a teacher and my student told me their parents threw out their homework because they were forcing them to pay for it, that would be more than enough indication that something is wrong at home.
Right!! There’s no way I’m throwing away homework!! There are so many parents that wish their child would do their homework without forcing them to do it. She’s coo coo for coco puffs!!
I’m a classroom teacher of 10 years and more often than not it’s more complicated than this. It took almost 6 months of one of a student failing to show up for school for nun principal to get a truancy officer involved. Unfortunately in my experience behavior and warning signs are allowed to go on WAY too long before school admin is willing to act.
@@clementine8853Agreed. I resigned last year after my principal wrote me up for wearing a pair of foam ear plugs to a pep rally (which I wore to protect my hearing as a professional musician and music teacher). I called OSHA and found out it qualified as health discrimination and I had the right to blow the whistle on my school and principal. The union helped me write a rebuttal but the next day my supervisor came and screamed at me for “challenging a principal and making him look bad”. I resigned after that and I had 10 years vested in the public schools and pension. I now am self employed and make a living mainly through private lessons and offering online classes to international & home school families. I was SO anxious about leaving my profession but it’s been nearly a year since I resigned and I am so glad. I feel free and in control of myself as a teacher for the first time. I’m not quite making the salary I did last year but I think it was worth the trade off for the freedom and sense of peace I feel now 😌
Oh and the same principal who wrote me up, called me to her office and CRIED after I resigned. It’s so funny how they get away with awful behavior and only feel bad when people won’t tolerate it anymore.
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis I was thinking like old Three 6 Mafia would break her brain. Friggin FLO RIDA??!! 😂 😂 😂 he’s legit a meme of being “a rapper for white suburban moms”
See, I can understand being anxious about the perceived sexualization of your young daughter. I wasn't allowed to listen to pop music growing up; this is fairly common in religious families. But Ruby plasters her kids across the internet in all manner of dress and behavior, exposing them to predators constantly. So this was really about control.
Right? Like way to add insult to injury, it's bad enough to be sent away but never getting to forget it and being reminded before you go to bed and as soon as you wake up
I'm a FedEx delivery driver and nothing makes me happier than finding a super long deep dive documentary on a topic I find interesting. I'm pretty sure I can do the rest of my shift before this video ends LOL you rock girl
As a physical therapist I can second the nurse who said that the femur fracture doesn't add up. Unless the child has some kind of disease, a little spill off the couch isn't going to cause a femur fracture. Someone did something terrible to that child and tried to cover it up.
My oldest son was a little slow moving around. At 5 months old he had not yet started rolling, so like usual, I put him in the middle of my bed while I cleaned my room. Well, little did I know he would start rolling that day. He rolled off my master bed, which is very high off the ground. I heard a bang and crying. I immediately ran over to him and checked him over. Then I was off to the ER. I worked in administration in the ER so one of the docs saw my baby right away. He was no longer crying when touched, but they did some x-rays anyway. My baby was just fine. He didn’t have a scratch or bump on him let alone a broken femur. I remember my doctor friend saying, “babies are bouncy, so I think he’s okay but we will check him further to make sure he’s okay.” I didn’t know what “bouncy” meant. Thats when she told me babies have much more pliable bones that don’t break easily. That baby didn’t fall off a couch and sustain that injury.
@@kayemendi4501this!! As a nursing student, babies bones are soft and bouncy!! Most falls won’t do much damage to a baby!(maybe shaken baby syndrome but that’s a whole other can of worms) older kids, teens, and adults are much more susceptible to broken bones. Babies and toddlers don’t break bones easily. I heard a story about a mother who fell down the stairs while holding her baby and the baby was totally fine aside from minor injuries!!
@@kayemendi4501similar incident with my son, at a friend’s house. I’d put him on the bed to sleep and he rolled right off. Nothing was wrong, thankfully! I can’t imagine what they did to him to actually have him break his femur 😢
I grew up in a Mormon household here in Brazil and till this day I have CPTSD from this. And my parents weren’t 1/8 bad as her. I have low self esteem, trusting issues, emotional codependency, deep depression, suicid4l thoughts, alcoholism and a whole bunch of problems related to being born and raised in this religion. Every time I tell my parents about my trauma related to Mormonism they dismiss the conversation and pretend that nothing happened. Both my brothers also have CPTSD and left church. I’m trying to heal everyday. It’s hard, but now I have help and will keep trying to overcome my trauma and not give up.
i have cptsd just due to general child abuse and i have very similar issues to you. i am so sorry this happened to you. you are strong and you will get through this and flourish! but also, remember it’s okay to be weak. it’s okay to confide in the people you love. it’s gonna get better, i promise. once you put yourself in a healthier environment and slowly learn to stop self sabotaging (i do this a lot still, it really sucks), it’ll get so much better. you are strong, alcoholism isn’t going to beat you, and you are so deserving of love, and a life full of happiness. 💙
I am so sorry for your suffering and experiences. I have some of the same trauma from my childhood. I am a member and I have learned how flawed people are in their interpretations of the gospel. You are a beloved child of God, and I pray you’ll be able to find the help and support you need. I would be honored to be a shoulder and listening ear if you ever need to talk. ❤❤
Anyone else think that Chad lying to his brother about Disneyland might've been the best excuse that he could've come up in the moment, if asked by Ruby as to why he and his brother were awake in the night, dressed with their things completely packed
No I don’t think this was the case. That was just a very normal, jerky older brother thing to do. It wasn’t nice, but it also wasn’t that serious. If he had intended to run away with his little brother, they would have.
the truly sickening thing is that if that one child hadnt escaped to a neighbor the police wouldnt have ever done anything about the abuse even with all the evidence
What's also disturbing is how Kevin isn't facing consequences. At a minimum for standing by doing nothing at most participating in the child abuse. Because she was extremely abusive before Jodi was involved. It may have gotten worse after she met Jodi. But he was still around for the beginning of her abuse.
@@FukaiKokoro l'm about an hour into this video and it's doing a GREAT job of walking us through the history of the Franke's effed up greatest hits. Kevin is mugging his way through all the punishments and deprivations. He is every bit as abusive as Ruby. I hope all their children turn their backs and free themselves from these abusers. Kevin is terrible.
55:25 “I’m not gonna sit down and do homework with you because we have too many kids” DON’T HAVE MORE KIDS THAN YOU CAN ADEQUATELY CARE FOR. THAT IS A FORM OF NEGLECT!
Honestly, I consider having more than three children should be considered a form of child abuse, because how could any normal parent possibly fulfill all their needs? Also, the last thing this planet needs is unsustainable human population growth.
They can buy a new badass house but they can't afford tutoring for their kids. Or help their kids sign up for free resources at school? When i was doing bad in school my mom made me wake up early and go to the teacher's office to ask for help.
I was born and raised as a Mormon in Utah. Mormons do not care about child abuse so long as you pay your pretty penny for tithing and you come in your Sunday best to church. I was abused as a kid, I know the other adults knew. My bishop knew my mother was physically abusing us and my father but blamed my father for it. Ruby is the monster that got the spot light, but just like cockroaches all the other abusers in the church are still hiding. Hope those kids can find safety and peace, though that’s definitely not in Kevin’s neglectful hands.
Ive never heard of anything so insane & it's advocated by the Mormon Church.The one & only TRUE church in the world.Hell is Jodies home town! I Can't wait till she returns. How in Hell could LDS leaders condone this Saranic therapy. Sick. Sick sick
@@drpepperfan452I was also from a Mormon family in Utah. Our family was the most influential and rich in our town, and even then we couldn’t get any help. It’s literally in our laws that men can just marry 16 year old girls, and my mom was one of them, as was all the women in my family. The church doesn’t care either. They ignored so many signs, and it’s the same story all throughout Utah. My town is literally a cult of mental illness, crime, and abuse, and absolutely nothing is done about it. So we’ll blanket statement however we want because we’ve been there and we see how it destroys EVERYONE. But of course, it’s hard to understand when you weren’t raised in it, and I suppose hating a religion as a whole is controversial. But there is nothing redeemable about Mormonism, at least in Utah. Absolutely nothing. The horror stories I have from there, and the generational trauma, shows it just needs to be uprooted completely.
I guess I can say that as an old man pushing 70, who happens to be a son, a brother, an uncle, a cousin ,a nephew, but most importantly,a father. I kept up with this story while it was happening. I was so angry. The parents behavior was absolutely demonic. When Russell made the best decision of life escaping I cried like a baby when I heard the neighbor, a grown man cry concerning Russell. Russell is the hero. I needed this 5 hour condensed video. Good job. Thank you.
Yeah, I always get emotional listening to that 911 call from the neighbor. You can hear the sheer panic and terror in his voice. Having to experience something so traumatic is heartbreaking, for everyone involved.
@@ChristopherSadlowski The neighbour had more compassion and love for that child than his own parents. One cried at the visibly cruel treatment a child got, the other saw it and thought only "this isn't so bad, because it's for your own good". This story HURTS
@@ChristopherSadlowski That's where I started crying. The caller was clearly upset and concerned, and then he tried to keep it together, I could hear a man like both of my late grandfathers.
It’s so crazy to think of the breaking point a child would have to reach to realize that the people who were supposed to care for and nurture him and his siblings have completely failed and even hurt them… children always assume the best in their caregivers and this was manipulated by Ruby, Jodi, and the negligence of Kevin and other family members who allowed this abuse to occur, or at least did nothing to stop it.
I don't think I've seen somebody point out how chad enjoyed the wilderness camp more than being home. that says something absolutely terrible about how Ruby treats her children.
When I first heard that I thought his parents forced him to say that but then I thought about it more and realized it was probably the first time he had any freedom
I don't know why it took you saying that for me to realize that yeah that was kind of weird! I remember seeing clips of him talking about the wilderness camp and how excited he was about it when he saw his room was decorated like that. For some reason I just never made that connection! Now I'm even more disturbed!
Yes. I'm curious about why they wouldn't have reported this to CPS. It seems like a huge red flag. Aren't there usually protocols that require such reporting?
@@zjay1356I’m not sure about legislation in the USA (I’m from Australia) but here doctors are mandated to report suspected child abuse. I imagine it is similar over there. There’s nothing to say in this case that it wasn’t reported. Potentially it was and there was an investigation and/or intervention with the family that eventually closed that wasn’t shared openly online.
@@PinkyForeverr, as a resident of the US outside of health care and child protective services, I know that there is a lot of religious bias in US health care and that child abuse cases are very hard to prove. Here in the US Midwest, I have known friends and family who were denied tubal ligations because medical staff said God doesn't want women to have them. These medical providers were likely Fundamentalist Evangelicals. I can only imagine that there are a lot of LDS members in health care and child protective services in Utah and that they would have a personal interest in hiding abuse perpetrated by other Mormons.
I’ll never get over how shocking it is that Chad put on weight at that retreat. I knew she weaponized food but it’s so much worse than I thought if a teenage boy has to ration food while being outside constantly and still manages to put on 10 pounds
agreed! Walking up to 10 miles and still putting on weight? Obviously food issues were Rubys that she then projected and abused with her children. She’s right where she should be unless they were willing to to put her under the jail
That's what I was thinking!!! At least get her a tutor, don't schools have those filled by other kids volunteering? How expensive can a private tutor be?
@@Captaincory1I know what you mean, the sad thing is, so many people want to be called parents but they dont have the slightest idea what is parenting. That's why churches pressure them to have kids so young
20:32 I went to high school with the sweetest, kindest Mormon girl. She's an absolute angel. I remember after her mom died of cancer, she broke down at lunch, sobbing that her mother wasn't getting into heaven bc she didn't have enough kids. She's not Mormon anymore.
Religious truama is SOOOOO hard to process. Hope she's doing well!! I've dealt with my fair share of religious trauma.. it's hard. I had the fun experience of experienceing sharia law in Oregon. The doctor who refused care to me went to the same church my insane mother dragged us to. I nearly died because a Christian fundamentalist doctor refused to treat me because at the time I thought I was pregnant. I was 16 and not married. He was more so concerned with my marital status than checking to see if I was okay. It was sharia law because I had state health insurance at the time. He took state money to refuse service because HIS religious beliefs were violated. He should not be a doctor because the oath they take. Anyways I ended up in the ER getting a emergency D&C the next morning at 6am ish. Turns out I wasn't pregnant per say. I had a molar pregnancy. And it would've been caught way earlier if he had simply ordered a ultrasound instead of kicking me to the curb
My family has a very strict christian side in which I have heard my family blame others for their illness as well. An aunt blaming her own son for his cancer, saying he brought it upon himself. Some religions twist common sense so far from whats normal…
I was a stay at home mom for a good portion of my daughter's early years and boy lemme tell you it was like sooo easy NOT to catch an aggravated child abuse charge
Seriously, that useless man actively made the choice to bring six children into this world under his responsibility, as much as Ruby's. Just to abandon them when he knew damn well she was going off the deep end with Jodi. Parenthood is LIFELONG and any father worth the air he breathes, would give up everything it takes to fight for his kids' well being.
He screams "double life". He doesn't care about his primary family because he's checked out. He only cares about appearances which sucks for his kids. He should be in jail with July. Those poor kids.
Madison, thank you for being so good about not letting the “dad” off the hook. He’s not a victim or someone who was duped. He was a partner in crime, literally for years, and while he may not have participated in the worst of what his kids experienced, he abdicated his responsibility to protect them. If he didn’t know there was something his kids needed saving from, it’s because he didn’t want to know. But he was there to protect them from a TikTok dance with the school board because family values are soooo important.
I’ve been in many support groups for those estranged from family, usually due to abuse, and it’s always interesting to me that many of the participants are more angry at the neglectful or absent parent who didn’t protect them from the abusive parent than the abusive parent themselves. Can’t say I feel that way about my situation, but I always thought that was interesting
I remember he called the police on his oldest daughter because she "stole from their house" and she had to explain how she was grabbing their passports so they couldn't flee the country.
Ruby stating that the two youngest were "too numb" that just makes wonder about Ruby's behavior leading up to that. What kind of traumas caused that unresponsive, "numb", shut down response
What has hit me from the moment the story dropped was that the neighbour who made the 911 call, a complete stranger, was moved to tears by Russell's state. Meanwhile it was the people who were supposed to care the most deeply for the boy are the ones who did this to him.
The way he sounds so calm and collected, so "matter of fact", tells me he might have had suspicions for awhile, and had been waiting for the chance to make that call.
I find it so fascinating that Ruby believed since she didn't agree with the dance her daughter's school was doing that meant the school shouldn't do the dance at all. Saying her daughter didn't have to participate wasn't good enough, she demanded it be canceled because she didn't like it, even if her daughter wasn't involved. That level of narcissism is incredible
Agreed. In that situation, you just explain that you're not comfortable with your middle schooler "dropping it like it's hot" (or whatever) and she won't be participating. You can maintain your own principles without trying to control everyone else's.
I've been waiting for the downfall of Ruby ever since that clip of her crying at the thought of someone FEEDING her child after she forgot her lunch. Prison isn't nearly harsh enough consequences for either of these women.
I think you might be combining the situation where she didn't want to bring lunch to her daughter and the tiktok dance the school organised with her daughter
Same here. She's vile. Only thing I'm concerned about is what if the dad gets custody? That worry's me deeply because he at the minimum turned a blind eye for years to her abuse and maltreatment. At worst he participated. Alot of the bad stuff we saw was BEFORE Jodi. And Kevin was involved in that.
@@FukaiKokoro You're so right, he played just as much a part in all of this as ruby and jodi. Those children, minors and adults, don't deserve to ever have to suffer his presence again.
She wasn't crying over forgetting her daughter's lunch - she was very neutral about that. She was very upset about the middle school dance performance and the music chosen though, so maybe you got them confused?
She forgot to pick the boy up from piano practice but when the 6 yr old forgets lunch it's expected that she shouldn't have forgotten. What a double standard crock of crap. I have 5 kids and I drove to school a lot for forgotten items over the years and guess what? My son in his senior year thanked me and told me I was VIP. As adults if we forget something we simply turn around and go get it but once kids step out of the car or get on the bus for school they have no way to retrieve what they forgot. Nobody is perfect!
Let's be honest. Ruby already hated her children long before she met Jodie. Meeting Jodie only confirms that she was right in hating them. You can see her deep hate towards her children. It's in her eyes all the time when she was talking to them
Oh, definitely. At some point she began resenting the children she chose to have, and thus chose to act in accordance to her resentment per child. Linking up with Jodi just amplified it.
I can't help but think a lot of her problems are created by the culture she was raised in. The selfishness and self-centeredness likely came from a lack of support from her own family. Part of it may just be her own persnality- everything need to be about her, she gains satisfaction from hurting people, and her ego requires that everyone worship her -if someone doesn't love and worship her she transforms into a vile hateful monster. A narcissist, if you will. Her community gives her more power and praise for her behavior, encouraging it. She was likely told by her Mormon community that having children would make her life "happier". After having children her life wasn't happier or better, but more difficult and had more responsibilities. She didn't want to deal with it, so she made her children take care of her own children. This is someone stuck in a carefree mindset, of someone who doesn't have kids and feel the need to care for anyone else. She was not prepared or qualified for children, but felt she NEEDED to have them to validate herself as a Mormon mother- then failed in every aspect of being a mother. The irony is if she wasn't Mormon or raised Mormon, she probably wouldn't have had kids or desired to have any. It was only that BECAUSE she is Mormon she is EXPECTED to have kids. She, as a narcissist, thought that if she was a mother she'd be more valuable in her community's eyes. And she was. This very issue has its roots in Mormonism, which other extremist Christian groups have the same ideals, goals, and values. The problem is extremist Christian values and how they value control, manipulation, and abuse above all else. Mormons might not say outright that they abuse, but call it family values. You cannot convince me Mormonism is not a cult that controls and manipulates people into being complicit with abuse. Because in practice, that's exactly what they are taught and trained to do.
I've always wondered whether she really wanted to have kids in the first place, or wanted this many. And the father apparently not being there much implies a similar possibility. In a way I see them as victims of their religion, social surroundings and perhaps their own parents.
@@elainelouve yeah I don't think that's what Ruby and her husband really wanted for their life. Good point from you. Both have resentments but acted differently upon it.
Agree, watching her vids, the way she looks at her kids, she looks at them in disgust she saw her kids as dollar signs and something to control and not as her children.
love how jodi claims the 7 and 9 year olds were blackmailing her using social media when ruby has been very open about not letting her kids have any type of electronics, let alone social media profiles🤦
of course she would smile about this, because it gave one of her children pain...which she apparently loves! Then she got to double down and punish another one for it...must have felt like christmas morning for her...
I don’t think she thought it was funny. The look she gives Chad as he’s talking gives me chills. She’s smiling because the other kids are laughing, but she absolutely did not think he learned his lesson. I don’t doubt she punished him afterwards for laughing while telling the story.
wow, I can't even begin to imagine how much research and time went into this 5-hour (!!) analysis, thanks for that!! You've don an awsome job, girl! The case has stayed with me for months. I work with abused children (not in the U.S. though) and I can say one thing for sure - these kids are massively traumatized for life. Even with a ton of therapy, no one can say for sure if they will ever recover from these experiences and be able to lead a normal life. It is very likely that they will exhibit very conspicuous and difficult behavior in the years to come. I therefore sincerely hope that these children find good and sensitive foster parents and are spared further abuse.
The best part in my opinion of being a mother is seeing the pure joy of life in your child’s eyes. It would break my soul to see their spirit leave them. I can’t imagine being the one to break it.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 it's a really weird form of breaking babies psychologically from people who believe that babies can be rebellious starting at 6 months old. Basically you put the baby on a blanket or in a designated area, and every time they get off that area you yell/strike/punish in some way until they learn that they should self contain on the blanket. It's honestly a horrible and disgusting practice and stops children from feeling safe to explore the world around them, which is super necessary for development.
WHY ISN'T THE FATHER FACING ANY CONSEQUENCES? Sure he wasn't completely around for the Jodi stuff but Ruby was ABUSIVE YEARS BEFORE then. And Kevin just sat around allowing his children to experience maltreatment and abuse. And even promoted it. So again why isn't he facing the consequences for his INACTION?
He's morally objectionable, but legally it's entirely different. He has a religion backing him, and culture like that explains away intentions to harm. Not to mention that they have no hard proof of him abusing them. The kids haven't specified that he was abusing them, so it's up in the air so far. The thing with prosecuting someone on a charge is that if they fail to convict, they can lose their chance in the future to bring them to court if more evidence is found. Lawyers want to be cautious about trying to convict someone for something that has only circumstantial evidence. People are shitty parents all the time, and morally objectionable ingrates outside of that, but that isn't something you can send someone to jail for. He's a failure as a father, and it'll have to stay at that unfortunately. Until there's hard evidence of wrongdoing, it's extremely reckless to try and convict him and potentially squander that. You can definitely make a case that he's an unfit parent, but even that is difficult to prove, and it relies on someone involved to assert that.
She literally hated them. I don't know if the issue was that being a mom didn't bring her the joy and fulfillment she'd been indoctrinated her entire life to believe it would, OR if the issue was effectively being a married single mom to 6 kids because her husband was a totally checked out, neglectful, and absent father. Either way, everything about the way she treated those kids SCREAMED resentment. She hated her life and blamed her kids.
I don’t want to see personal accountability get lost in Ruby’s narrative because she was traumatizing those kids long before Jodi came in the picture. That fire was already burning when that weirdo showed up & all she did was pour more fuel on it.
Ikr!! She's acting like everything was amazing before Jodi. It wasn't. It was very abusive and she mistreated her kids constantly. And Kevin was around during that time period. Clearly the ALREADY bad situation got SO MUCH WORSE when Jodi came around. Again it was already at a horrific level. For years. I'm frustrated and concerned Kevin isn't facing anything.
@@brandonkennedy4160 I COMPLETELY AGREE. Kevin was complacent while she was abusing her kids for years before she started working with Jodi. All 3 adults need to be charged!
Exactly! And I just started the video and it seems like again it's Jodi s influence as if Ruby hadn't been an abuser before. She and her hubby are abusers
Honestly, Jodi never manipulated Ruby to me, she just gave her the excuses she was always looking for. They brought out the worst in each other and, obviously, they’re both responsible for the choices they made.
There’s so many perspectives in it and we will never know the full story, of course Jodi is a manipulative person who has hurt many people but that doesn’t necessarily mean Ruby was one of them or that Ruby wasn’t a harmful person to her children already before they met. I tried my best to document that in this video
@@cruelworldhappymind oh definitely! Wasn't a dig at you, just my perspective in a million. You provided information I had never seen and after the years of following this family I didn't know that was possible. This was an insane amount of work and I and everyone greatly appreciate it!!
I mean there were many jokes how much Jodi and Ruby were heterosexual lesbian partners. Ruby was propably not the strongest part in the relationship, but she was quite willing to hurt her children. I guess she really didn't see them as humans, but commodities.
Exactly!! The plea deal imo is to absolve the Mormon church any involvement and scrutiny. This rabbit hole goes even deeper than this and it all starts with The Mormon Church aka a cult.
@@mhollman8650 just search mormon and child abuse, the number of cases and even hidden crime is so high that there are even therapists helping people cut ties with that cult. Yes, it's a cult.
I really didn’t plan to watch another minute of Ruby & Jodi content but when my girl Madison pours her heart and soul into a 6-hour video you better believe I’m grabbing the popcorn and watching every single minute. ❤
The audacity of that man to try to portray himself as a poor saint that only wants the best for the children after actively participating in their abuse makes my blood boil
Watching the parents read their sons messages between him and the girl he had a crush on was absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Put yourself in that young man's shoes at that age. It's already nerve wracking enough talking to a girl at that age but to be mocked and laughed at like that in front of his siblings and the TH-cam audience is just awful.
So I am a college professor. Kevin always "being on the road" and having to work all the time really doesn't add up at all. Like your job is in one place, man. Going away to conferences is common, but the bulk of your job is at the school you work at. And being a college prof is such a chill job, I cannot believe that he's working any more than the average person working full time. Like bro YOU LYING
My dad was a professor and a Botonist. His research involved studying plants. He would have to travel for his research. Still, I remember him being at home all the time when he wasn't taking me and my sister with him while he was researching. I call BS.
@@TheZombieButlerI recall that Margaret Atwood’s father was a professor who studied insects. That said he took his family on his research trips in northern Ontario
Something I’ve noticed that’s very consistent is how every time abuse is brought up it’s followed up by laughter. Ruby’s siblings, her children and herself all laugh at the situation.
the story about the girl wondering if she’s gay made me cry, i hope she’s okay. she’s just a story in someone else’s story. i really really hope she will be okay one day
And the whole “they tell you you’re gay if you wear pink or cut your hair etc” like no mam YALL say that about us its not the queer community. Its yall 😂
@@casswashwash1070there’s definitely lots of heterosexual Christians who insist on enforcing these gender roles as well as hets and bis in the lgbt community who do so as well. The number of self styled queer spaces that insist all butch lesbians are closeted self hating trans men or nbs is ridiculous
ex-mormon/utahn/emt here. i’m only at 40:00 but that femur injury would have been an automatic call to cps. emt’s are mandatory reporters and there is virtually no way that poor russell got such a significant injury accidentally at such a young age. and so far you have hit the nail on the head in terms of the role of the lds church in the family’s mindset and conduct. ruby gave a lecture at byu a few years ago that i attended and i got such a weird feeling - i never imagined it went this deep though. it’s all so scary
Kevin is absolutely suspicious and the media should be focusing on him more.I really want to know why he wanted those journals so desperately, especially considering how he wasn't in the house for over a year and his first concern was that the house seemed robbed and where his journals were. I also think that he shouldn't have custody of his kids since he was never even a present father to them and that Shari should be wary of him.It's very clear to me that all he is trying to do is save himself and doesn't actually want to improve his relationship with his kids.Who in their right mind would say that they want to improve their relationship with their kids and then press charges against one, and then go back to saying u want to improve ur relationship with them.He's so two faced
He didn't get prison time too? I can't believe you'd make a 5 yr old make her own lunch. C'mon! I'd make sure my little one has enough money in her backpack to always buy a lunch just for an emergency. A five yr old is barely past a toddler for Pete's sake!
OMG! His absence makes sense esp how controlling Ruby was. Ppl have no idea how much power a mother, married or not, have over a father in this country
@@ssaiyan4mhe’s the money maker, she’s a sahm. What magic power do you think this woman involved in a giant infamous patriarchal religion has over her poor poor neglectful husband? Don’t let this man avoid responsibility for abandoning and enabling abuse of his children
The sad thing about this video is that it hits a little too close to home for me. A lot of Ruby's "punishments" eerily mirrored how I grew up - I was never hit. But the abuse was all mental and emotional. If I cried, I'd be threatened to stop crying and "be strong". So I numbed myself. I then proceeded to be yelled at more for "being cold" and "I don't know what's wrong with you, you feel nothing!" My gifts would be given to me, only to be destroyed if I came home with bad grades or a low mark. My phone was frequently checked, as was my email, so I was "honest and good girl." I was neither. I was just sneakier. No real friends. Everyone loved how attentive my family was, but I was harshly criticized at home when no one saw. I was angry but could not express the unfairness and disdain without being humiliated or talked down to or compared to my sibling, who adopted the "go along to get along" as a survival tactic. I finally left when I got a steady job and income. I went to therapy, because my trauma was harming my outside relationships. I'm healing, and I genuinely hope these children do as well. No one deserves this treatment. No one. I hope for nothing but the best for them as they grow.
It's so wild. The thing about parenting is that you can't shield your kids from pain - it's your job to teach them the skills they need to navigate life's hardships and be their sanctuary as they learn. Ruby took this as "The world won't coddle you, therefore I won't either" and cranks it right up to 11 by literally BEING their hardship
A little late to the party, but I've been with a family member of theirs for about 8 years. This cruelty is only the tip of the iceberg. The family tree rots from the roots up
The homework bit bro... He looked only mildly perplexed & then incredibly angry towards Ruby. As in he knew she would stoop so low so he is incredibly cautious around her
@@Nathi98 Yeah his eyes told stories in it. There was such an eloquent: "Here we go again..." angry resignation... and then he looked to Sherry, as if asking: Are you going to join me if I say something? Can you believe it?
And I don't blame him one iota for it. Ruby is the lowest of scum, and if Hell exists she's definitely punched herself a first class ticket to there for all the trauma she's caused her children.
All my admiration and best wishes to Jessi Hildebrandt. For a young person to be able to verbalize and share what happened to them in such a moving and thorough manner is really impressive.❤
5:00:39 I've always suspected Kevin has another family elsewhere, and that he has a different name. The fact that he was never there, always "travelling for work", and then doesn't appear to be fighting to get his kids back? It's all very suspicious.
There's a section near the end where apparently his Rate My Professor reviews all say he's difficult to get in touch with outside of class hours 👀 he's not at home and he's also not at work, so where is he 👀👀👀👀
I wasn’t aware of this theory but I believe because a professor at a local university is not the type of job with a lot of travel. (I can think of a short list of reasons why professors may travel, but they are all reasons that the university would promote to some capacity and the internet sleuths would’ve found the proof)
i think shes a sociopath or has something really messed up with her mentally. like, i dont like kids and dont want them, but i would never hurt one. as much as kids annoy me i know theyre just a kid and dont know better. and even if they did, i would NEVER starve or abuse a child or anyone like she did. shes messed up
At first I thought that maybe Chad was being forced to "look happy" when he was being taken home from that camp. Now I just realised he probably had more freedom, social interaction, fun and food than he ever had at home - and as a result was genuinely more happy. Its just harrowing.
That was my thought too... It could have been an improvement. The food was probably better than what he was getting at home and depending on his leaders they could have been a big step up from how his parents treated him. Especially because a lot of his behaviors were probably in reaction to their abuse.
I've always been defensive of these wilderness therapies because it really did help my older brother but in retrospect I think the best thing it did was get him away from my mom for a while. He left home not long after turning 18. I left the day I turned 18. We both realized what we had to do for ourselves even though neither of us could really put it into words at that age. But it happens even in state sanctioned mental health programs. I've seen it more than once. Kid seems to do better when away from home... Yet no one would dare take them away. Because where would they go? The foster system isn't much better than alot of these parents. The abuse isn't provably all that bad... Until it is... We as a society are still failing children in need in so many ways.
@@SoulDevoured Look they can be done right occasionally, some of them were just camps with actual rations. I don't trust them though from the many that just abused kids straight up to the ones where the kids didn't know they were being abused. Anastasia was bad but on the lower end as there was allegedly no physical abuse and there were way worse ones. Dr phils farm was a bad one too.
Growing up watching the 8 passengers, I really thought most of the discipline was normal. My mother took away my door all the time, made me sleep in the living room, take away food and lock it away, etc etc. I’ve grown up to resent her, because I never felt like a daughter to her. More of an inconvenience. She also constantly reminded me how hard it was raising me. Only good thing to happen is I have my own two daughters now and I treat them completely differently. I give them love, appropriate discipline, and reminders they are important to me. I broke the cycle.
Congrats on breaking the cycle, and I hope one day you heal from your past in a way that makes your life better. Wish you and your daughters nothing but the best.
My goodness! It must suck to grow up that way 😢 Society in general needs to stop pushing this idea that children need brutal discipline to be educated. They don't need that. I congratulate you. Because most people just repeat patterns
It's hard to shake that feeling of not being worthy and not deserving something as basic as food or a door on your room. My mom did that, too. I consider it an honor to be in my child's life and give him the best life possible. And have fun! We have enough work to do our whole life.
The horrific thing about all this is that these children almost didn’t make it, despite their abuse being well-documented and so many eyes being on them, and so many people trying to intervene. What chance in hell does a child have who isn’t an Internet personality? How many more children have the system let down, that we’ll never know about because it’s too late?
There's nothing to do. CPS rarely if ever actually attempts to investigate. CPS failed me. The only way I got out was growing up and getting as far away as possible- far enough to give myself the time and space to put all my broken pieces back together. It's just an unfortunate outcome of growing up an aboosive household. By US laws (where I live) children are not people until 18. Before then they are PROPERTY and belong to their parents. That's why our culture around families are so different from European countries. That means there's nothing government services can really do until they have EVIDENCE of a crime. But aboosive family members will destroy any evidence they can, stopping cps from being able to fully investigate, or denying cps outright. The problem has to do very much with that we treat kids as property and not humans. US Conservatives don't want to sign the same child protection act as our European allies because they want full control over their child's autonomy with no exceptions. So when I say nothing will happen for us, the reason why is political and relating to laws Conservatives have set in place to keep themselves above the law at the expense of anyone they want. Children are just the easiest to force. *apperarently spelling aboosive will get comments autodeleted, I've had to retype this 4 times now as just typing it causes the comment to close out and block me out. YT Censorship is really amping up :/
@Rey-it3sg And the worst part is that CPS often intervine when it's completly pointless. Like there was a story of a guy who wanted to teach their children independence so he allowed them to ride to school by bus by themselves. It's 100% normal in Europe. In the USA it's considered abuse
@angelikaskoroszyn8495 so so weird. Because I knew how to take the bus when I was 12 (I'm from the UK). But what ruby was doing apparently wasn't abuse until someone else had to intervene. It's always this show of protecting the kids but never actually putting it into action because they don't see them as their own people.
Who knows if the two younger children would be alive if the one did not escape through a window in a desperate attempt for help. It never should've been the child's responsibility to save their own life that was endangered via abuse
The worst part is there rarely is a truly safe place, ever, for abused kids. They’re not safe with their guardians, and they’re very likely not safe in the foster system. It will never fail to piss me off how many children are ALLOWED to be abused and neglected, both by the system and their families. There’s no valid reason for the societal failure for innocent kids.
Even before Jodi got involved, Ruby reveled in the power she had over her children and she exercised her ability to hurt them. She claimed that all she ever wanted was to be a mom, yet when given that opportunity and those blessings, she abused it and them. I don’t understand how Kevin could defend Ruby’s actions , especially since he wasn’t at home to protect his children most of the time. Kevin doesn’t get a pass in this situation. He co-signed on what was going on and acted like a mindless dope. How could anyone believe that living apart from your family will strengthen either your marriage or your family life? Jodi, Ruby and Kevin all need to be locked up!
Exactly, Kevin failed his children, a real father would have fought for his children, no way my husband would abandon our children like that, if I ever came to my husband told him he had to leave and never contact me or our children, he would have filed for divorce and gotten a lawyer to get the kids.
Ruby seemed to want to break her children - certainly the youngest two, anyway. I don’t she would have been happy until they were grovelling on the floor, begging for mercy. She’s a very sick individual.
oh my god, her whining about having to up the food budget because "i have to eat more, i'm gonna eat more, i WANT to eat more! i don't LIKE being hungry!" is SO extra insidious considering how much she starved her children as punishment. that's vile. that's evil. no amount of prison will be enough for this monster.
*starves her children, deprives them of anything that brings them a modicum of joy, never shows any affection, literally breaks the most difficult-to-break bone in a baby* "Children being unable to show unconditional love are just evil, idk what to tell you."
Abandoned them knowing there was some serious shit going on, and then not having any contact with them in over a year? Come on!! I’m stupid, but I’m not dumb!
He didn't abandon them, this is Jodi's m.o.. Jodi's the savior, Kevin's the perp, Ruby & the kids were the victims. Jodi manipulates wives to kick their husbands out. Mormons are very prone to brainwashing, the CIA/FBI etc seek out return missionaries.
Well I never thought I’d be watching a commentary video that’s longer than one LOTR extended edition film. Heck yeah, I couldn’t click fast enough, thank you!
Since all the bodycam and surveillance footage has come out with this case I was looking for something to go over the whole bloody affair. This was everything I needed and then some. Thank you so much for all the work you put into this behemoth of a video.
I’m an ex- Mormon and from very early childhood was taught the world was watching me because I was Mormon. The pressure to appear perfect is very strong. If you don’t fit the image the church prescribes you there are social consequences. It doesn’t matter if you’re a small child or an adult. If you’re not pretty, disabled, or if you’re neurodivergent, or LGBTQ+, your life in church will be a living hell. Edited for correction
Grew up Christian and I will never regret my decision to stop going to church - I used to get told off for having depression because people thought I wasn't praying enough about it.
@@KateCat420another faith who have caused & continue to cause so much horrific pain/suffering/abus3/d3aths. 💔 Religious dogma/brainwashing perpetuated by so many who enjoy seeing ppl in pain a.k.a sad!sts. Not all, just many.
My close friend grew up in a mormon family with thirteen other siblings and their story has so many of the same qualities as the Frankes children’s. From the lack of hygiene care, to the extreme neglect, to the childhood abuse. These people are taught to have family values but are not taught how to care for children nor are they taught how to have emotional maturity and stability. Child abuse and neglect is rampant in the mormon community, my hometown was full of it.
I've heard from ex-Evangelicals that it's pretty much the norm for the children in large fundamentalist families to be neglected to some degree. Would you say the same is true in the Mormon community?
Don’t worry, I knew rich ones that dressed well and had nice cars, they were just holier than thou assholes who had a 12 yr old that would shittalk his peers because his holy pureness had never had coffee before, so obviously he was better than us. 🙄🙄🙄
The fact that the neighbor who found him had more emotion and empathy for him then he’s mother and father ever did ☹️ god bless that neighbor for helping!
I just can’t help but see this story as a warning about the cult of Mormonism with how toxic and abusive it is, and the disturbing ways “family channels” can ruin kids lives.. Putting them together was a recipe for disaster…
Absolutely Mormonism is the thread that ties everything together. Silencing victims and sweeping abuse under the rug is so deeply embedded in Mormon culture that I don’t think any amount of reform can repair the mindset of those involved with the church.
I had the thought the reason why they were so frugally minded was because they were donating a LOT of money to the church. The church asks you to donate 12% of your income AT MINIMUM. this includes if you are retired and living on a fixed income.
@@mollycurran1978it makes me so sad and heartbroken for kids who are brought up in this cult, they’ll have so many problems even if they can get out of it.. 😞
I always try to keep in mind that “it’s not everyone, there’s bad people everywhere” but with the way Mormonism keeps coming up in stories like these and in true crime videos, it feels like they’re hellbent on proving that wrong.
@@justapanpirate there's bad people everywhere but some places just make it easier for bad people to exist in them. Religion in general makes abuse more probable (saying this as a christian) but mormonism just makes it inevitable.
Thinking about Chad having an "addiction" genuinely seems more unlikely the more you get into the evidence of how horrible it was for them in the Franke house. He was 14 years old, did not have any friends, any freedom, at one point not even having a door for his bedroom. There would have been some form of undeniable proof that he had been struggling with some sort of substance abuse. As intelligent as kids can be, I don't think it was plausible because there was no chance for him to really be exposed to something like that. That just goes to show Jodi seriously had Ruby brainwashed.
In mormonism, watching porn or masturbating is often branded as an addiction, we dont know thats what it was for chad but its a definite possibility he was being punished for being a normal teenage boy
The things that Ruby and Jodi consider “pornography” are not exactly the same things that actually ARE pornography. Likewise, their version of “addiction” is different than what addiction actually is. Jodi says that everyone has a sexual deviancy and addiction. I’m guessing that Jodi struggles with her own sexual identity and desires (Ruby) and also struggles with addiction. I think it’s a food hangup for Jodi, and an addiction to power over other people. I think she’s a closeted lesbian, and rather than just accept it, she hides it, goes after married women like Ruby, and gets the husband out of the house and the bed, so she can slide into his place. Ruby and Jodi were absolutely sleeping together, while making videos about how gay people are going to hell.
@@subrosa4792 I totally should’ve broadened what I said in terms of addictions and there being solid proof of any form of addiction bc you’re absolutely right
She was abusing those kids before Jodi came along. Let's stop giving her leeway. She's guilty AF. I also cant believe the "dad" is getting off scott free. Last i checked you are responsible for your kids even if you are separated.
And according to the press conference of the prosecution Ruby fall under Jodi s influence. She wouldn't have abused the kids otherwise. So 4 years is enough for her 🤮🤮. Just hearing her say how hard she makes the kids work reminds me of the charging documents all the crimes they commited
As soon as he noticed the remaining tape & wounds he realised something was very wrong... & his calm demeanor broke into a devestated man seeing a poor child in need of help
I'm just thinking about how, at that point, he was probably the first if not only adult in this child's life that showed actual concern for his wellbeing and I am heartbroken all over again.
The biggest takeaway I’ve gotten from this entire situation is that generational trauma and religious trauma are seriously debilitating. I deeply hope these kids can break the cycle, and not only escape the generational trauma, and also the cult they never asked to be born into.
@@Arsewell-Foundation I always found this confusing. Why would I choose neglect, poverty and toxicity? Or...if it wasn't my choice why would God choose that for me? Especially when people around me in the church had privilege and opportunity and reminded me they would hate living like I was living. 🤷🏻♀️
"Conceal, don't feel." Or from Smallfoot, "Don't ask. Just push it down." Can verify the impressive array of thought-stopping techniques ingrained in membership beginning in infancy.
She's about 40 right? And she got 65 years max. That's practically life, right? Edit: wow I read all those articles wrong. Thanks for letting me know; 30 years maybe. Still a lot of time for someone in their 40s
@@rosiepear7531 My understanding is that she can be paroled in as early as four years. (Perhaps earlier? Someone please correct me.) She deserves to spend the rest of her sorry life in prison, but I anticipate she'll get out a lot earlier, particularly as she's willing to shed her crocodile tears while reading her little scripts in front of a parole board like she did at sentencing.
@@rosiepear7531 utah has a law maxing out sentences at 30 unless its life, she's probably gonna die and rot in there but theres a possibility she might get out
Can we appreciate how invested she is in her work ?! She made a 5 HOURS long video, and i never got bored of it. Doing the research, writing the scripe, filming the video, and editing it must have been so exhausting to do. Idk if you got a team by your side, but WOW ❤! (And i just realized that she also made time-lapse...she is truly a hard worker)
Ruby Franke was so protective of her children that she beat them, she starved them, she withheld water from them, she hogtied them, she handcuffed them, and more. I have seen the face of Evil - and it is Ruby Franke.
As a nursing student, it takes about 70-90 pounds of force to break a femur. They normally don’t break unless it’s from a car accident and a very high fall.
@@cruelworldhappymind Not to mention the fact that baby bones are MUCH harder to break than adult ones. I can only imagine what they did to that poor thing.
Yeahhh... highly doubt it was just a fall off a couch. More likely she was "punishing" him for something and didnt take the wails of pain seriously. Truly a disgusting human being
Her excuse of “oh I thought the world was this bad so I thought I had to be too” is such a backwards excuse. I’ve seen literal acts of domestic violence, assault, and possible murder in my life but I never said that it was the norm and I should be like them.
Late to this but totally agree. Heard lots of things about the church after i left. So glad i left when i did. You know its gonna take the kids so much time in therapy to understand what happened to them because of jodi and ruby and the church
Saying "You're not only living in distortion for being anxious but you're being entitled." because shaming people with anxiety helps them with their anxiety😬🤢🤮🤬
And for a lot of people anxiety is just, like, a part of their essence? Lots of people get anxiety even when nothing in particular is happening to trigger them. It gives "you choose to be gay" vibes and it's gross and I don't like it.
Add in religious scrupulosity, (a kind of anxious Study and Pray or Die OCD) and Jodi/Ruby's advice would only make things that much harder and worse for those dealing with this challenge.
When I was about 5, I started to develop what I now know as my diagnoses of panic disorder, social anxiety, and ptsd. I lived with my aunt and her husband in a different state because my mom was in her 20’s and didn’t want me (which contributed to the anxiety). I started having panic attacks on the daily, and they would get worse at night to the point where I would vomit in my bedroom because I was ruminating so badly. Whenever this happened, my aunt’s husband used to make me strip naked and swat my butt with a large wooden spoon 20-30 times. I bruised many times. And of course, as always, he is a devout Christian.
I had a very Mormon teacher in high school who would openly talk about abusing his kids in front of my classmates and I. He wasn't as abusive as Ruby, or at least was never caught for it, but I vividly remember him talking about how one of his kids broke their arm, and he refused to get them medical help, because the doctor didn't do anything they couldn't do at home. Looking back at it now, his kids were getting severe injuries a lot more often than seems normal, especially for young kids...I don't know, but he was definitely neglecting his kids, and I feel bad for them, and I hope they're doing okay now.
As a nurse (even though i am not in USA) I would have immediatly called CPS for that story with the injury, a broken femur?!?!?!? and then wait to bring him to the hospital, yeah no not gonna happen. As the post said its hard to break a effin femur specially in babies. I feel so sad for those childeren, everyone around them have failed them. Family, watchers, fans, CPS and schools.
I wonder about that honestly. I might be making a reach here, but if the mormon church is so concerned with image as ex members say, and a significant part of the town RF lived in was basically mormon, and abusing kids is bad for the image... Especially if the LDS was actually giving RF money for making what's essentially an ad campaign for the LDS... Like, was the nurse/doctor/CPS agent part of the church as well?
@Oosterink yeah unfourtunatly i think it would matter. I don't know (well maybe a little from an outside perspective) how strict USA is with sperating (religion) believes from work but as we see in their goverment I don't think it would be strange if that happened. And looking at mormonism there is already a lot of abuse going on from elders but also from parents, it's nothing new or recent there are countless stories from people who have been heaviily abused by people who follow mormonism or (f)LDS. But I wouldn't be suprised that the people called in (CPS, police etc) would be involved in the religion as well. If i remember correctly the bodycam mentioned something like this, or a cop in the on call team did but has been a bit since ive watched that. Also don't forget they are very influencial in the area they are in, I wouldn't be suprised either that that would have some benefits for them as well. Even though (and I believe that it is the same in the USA as for the country I am in) you have to give an oath as a doctor, nurse to do no harm and to the best of your ability to protect and take care of your patient, i do think those types of people who use their religion to hide behind would abuse that or put their religion and their religious books first before the job they should actually do. But then again America isn't very famous for the separation of curch and goverment so what do you expect 🤷♀
@@AnnekeOosterink Unfortunately, I don't think that's much of a stretch. I know that for things like marriage counseling and therapy, the LDS church strongly encourages that people only see "professionals" that are also in the church. I've heard too many horror stories of women trying to leave their abusive husbands being told to stay by "therapists" recommended by the church.
@@ErinHonor Oh sh!t, that's bad. I mean, I don't consider most churches great as it is, and things like this, where child abuse seem to have been covered up for a very very long time, etc don't help. Churches seem to have a habit of covering up abuse. It's bad enough that there is abuse in the first place, but then also covering it up makes it even worse.
Hearing her cry in the car over the school tiktok dances talking about the safety of kids and how they aren’t safe is a punch in the face amd heart wrenching!
Unfortunately we have this absolutely DRILLED into us as very young girls in the Mormon church. I am not Mormon anymore, and I really resent how much of my life was chosen for me. I do love my children and I'm very careful now to use my time in ways I want to...but I lost so many years thinking all I was good for was marriage and procreating.
@@reiddutchess9955 okay, so admit it then, because I never said her goal wasn't "good enough," did I? I said it was mind boggling that *this woman,* who again is *going to prison for being a terrible mother* , stated that her goal in life was to be a great mother. Your knee-jerk response was that I was somehow criticizing mothers in general when I literally never said anything of the sort and was talking specifically about *this empirically terrible mother.* And you accused *me* of projecting? GTFO.
@@reiddutchess9955 if you think seriously think you were being polite by bombing my notifications with how wrong I am about what I literally said, you should reflect on that.
the smoking gun against Kevin is he tried to have Sherri arrested for “stealing” from the family home HE DIDNT LIVE AT after Ruby’s arrest. What’s in those electronics he doesn’t want coming out,
Because they are a well-off ,white, mormon family. If police was called on a poor black/latín/muslim family, those kids would have been taken into a foster home in no time. Worst even if it is a single mom ...
@@letmeflyu2themoon I've never been in Utah, I'm gonna be sincere, but I've watched quite a lot of documentaries about scandals of the mormon church ...and it seems like the whole state is managed by mormons. Like, even the law is influenced by those beliefs. it's crazy. You made a good decision. Go to a place where you can be free
the irony of her being upset she’s in jail when she kept her kids in jail for months and the county jail actually had standards and is more humane than anything they’ve ever done to those children
Jodi was an absolutely horrendous influence, but she never would have got a foot in the door if Ruby wasn't already an abusive parent. Jodi only reinforced what was already there.
Chad and Shari’s faces are shared in this video since both people are adults and have social medias/ live somewhat public lives online. That being said please be respectful as always, especially with such a devastating story! Much love and hope you are all well 💜
You're amazing
Almost 6h!! Wow... 🙏🏻
@@hopefullycis
I'm sorry but when did the work primitive become cultural appropriation? Which culture is she referring to? Does only One race participate in survival skill camping and hiking ? EVERYONE'S culture has ancient ancestors that lived this way.
These camps are garbage but geez that whole bit was the longest reach ever
This was a tough one. While the children's names are probably widely known I believe you could've respected each minors privacy by not introducing each one in detail. Appreciate the blurring out the faces.
Jodi had tremendous power, but never forget Ruby was abusing those kids long before Jodi was in their lives. This is why I still think the father needs to be investigated and charged. Things went bad long before he separated and moved out.
I agree unfortunately I think because he was not living there in the timeframe of the case he's getting off. I wish it was different.
I have a feeling he is being investigated. He doesn’t have custody of any of the minor children, they are all in state custody right now.
I don't think she was abusing her kids before Jodi but it was definitely dysfunctional
She was literally starving her kids on camera. Do you not think that's abusive? @@khaIid624
@@khaIid624No, she was absolutely abusing her kids long before Jodi. Verbal & emotional abuse are just as bad as physical abuse & the things she was doing most definitely inflicted psychological damage on those poor kids. She always had that darkness within her although it was somewhat controlled until she got around Jodi & she released it to its full extent. People not calling it what it is is the exact reason why her story ended up where it is today.
Chad preferred being at the wilderness camp over being at home. That is a big flashing red flag.
He gained wait, rationing food at the camp, that made my stomach drop (no pun intended)
That a program with several confirmed fatalities, weekly supply drops, and regular exposure to the elements was somehow a _LESS_ hostile environment than his home life was terrifyingly eye-opening.
Most of those kids would lose 4.5 kilos, not gain 4.5 like he did... Mind blowing...
@@TheNumnutRandomness Yeah when I learned that I wasn’t surprised that his siblings were in the condition they were. Those poor children.
I felt nauseous at his words that he gained weight at the camp. She really used starvation as punishment more than we know
The kids waking up at 6 AM to grind their musical skills is a very The Sims 4 move to do, that's not human
I do this but I’m a 34 year old professional music teacher who doesn’t sleep enough. Oddly enough I also play the sims 😂
I usually tell my students to practice whenever time of day they’re most focused. I should really take my own advice sometime lol.
she really was simsing them... surprised I had never heard of them
Please don’t judge me on how I play Sims. How else am I supposed to level them up except for sleep deprivation and overworking my sims???
@@Ares78987 I'm not judging I'm with you!! That's the point, The pixels can take it, it's not a life for real life children 😭
I literally thought specifically of sims 4, that’s crazy. I can’t believe what these kids went through
You can see in Chad’s eyes so many times that he knew instinctively how wrong a lot of this was. The father is a disgrace!
maybe he couldn't do anything to stop it yk
@@Uncle_ChagHe had a job, he could have fought for legal custody, get Jodi away from his family, not LEAVE THEM for long periods of time, gather evidence, divorce, etc etc. He had so many options and he tried absolutely NONE OF THEM. Disgusting how men are always allowed to get away with the “but I didn’t do anything 😢” excuse when that’s exactly the problem. He did NOTHING. He can’t even be called a father.
@@bichitenshi6696- Exactly! He’s such a POS that at the same time he was acting all wide-eyed and shocked at what was going on, he was trying so hard to get his eldest daughter arrested for burglary. Way to go, Kevvie - that’s showing the love! 🙄. He doesn’t deserve a pass on any of this.
@@Uncle_Chag There is always a choise.. no excuse. he was never a father, and ruby was never a mother. They are demons
That stunt of telling her daughter she can’t read the books immediately after she just opened them on her birthday. Completely sadistic. Ruby seems to actively enjoy tormenting her children
Seriously, that moment was haunting. Ruby looked so delighted with herself when she was announcing her daughter was failing math and couldn't read the books. It was the same look she had when Chad revealed he'd been sleeping on the beanbag chair for months. She was saying "I don't think our viewers know that" but she was smiling and laughing as she said it. Ruby loves humiliating those kids.
That’s so dumb! If my mom knew I was failing she’s make me read for hours and hours
Ruby was smiling the whole time she was telling her she couldn’t read them. She genuinely enjoyed it. It’s sick.
@@wiredshinithat smirk was just skin crawling
@@mari-my5gr that's cause it's not about actually improving the kid's behaviour or grades, it's about, as she herself stated, making them suffer. She doesn't give a f abt anything else. In fact it seems like she actively sabotages them so they can fail and she can punish them.
the thing that gets to me about this “it was Jodi” narrative, is that Ruby was always like this. she was always weirdly gleeful at the idea of hurting her kids’ feelings, and identity. what Jodi did was give her words to justify her behavior
Right. If Ruby was a completely normal and loving mom before getting involved with Jodi, it wouldn't have been so easy to convince her to literally torture her children. Jodi just encouraged the darkness that was already there.
I do agree Ruby was headed down a bad path even without Jodi. That said the added number of children Jody could and has hurt is stunning.
Deception Detective calls her a sadist. She gets pleasure from the sufferings of others, especially her children.
yes Ruby was bad and Jodi just amplified what was already there
She was bad before Jodi, but it’s very fair to say she got exceedingly worse after meeting Jodi. She already very much had a deluded thinking when it comes to parenting and religion, Jodi REALLY banked on it and made it 100x worse. Ruby is to blame, it is her fault, but I do not doubt Jodi making things go from bad to the extreme
If I was a teacher and my student told me their parents threw out their homework because they were forcing them to pay for it, that would be more than enough indication that something is wrong at home.
Right!! There’s no way I’m throwing away homework!! There are so many parents that wish their child would do their homework without forcing them to do it. She’s coo coo for coco puffs!!
I’m a classroom teacher of 10 years and more often than not it’s more complicated than this. It took almost 6 months of one of a student failing to show up for school for nun principal to get a truancy officer involved. Unfortunately in my experience behavior and warning signs are allowed to go on WAY too long before school admin is willing to act.
@@suzannedelonas392school admins are such trash tbh
@@clementine8853Agreed. I resigned last year after my principal wrote me up for wearing a pair of foam ear plugs to a pep rally (which I wore to protect my hearing as a professional musician and music teacher). I called OSHA and found out it qualified as health discrimination and I had the right to blow the whistle on my school and principal. The union helped me write a rebuttal but the next day my supervisor came and screamed at me for “challenging a principal and making him look bad”. I resigned after that and I had 10 years vested in the public schools and pension. I now am self employed and make a living mainly through private lessons and offering online classes to international & home school families. I was SO anxious about leaving my profession but it’s been nearly a year since I resigned and I am so glad. I feel free and in control of myself as a teacher for the first time. I’m not quite making the salary I did last year but I think it was worth the trade off for the freedom and sense of peace I feel now 😌
Oh and the same principal who wrote me up, called me to her office and CRIED after I resigned. It’s so funny how they get away with awful behavior and only feel bad when people won’t tolerate it anymore.
“Low” by Flo Rida. That’s the song that led her to tears. She’s UNHINGED.
Wait until she discovers Black Metal. 😂
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis I was thinking like old Three 6 Mafia would break her brain. Friggin FLO RIDA??!! 😂 😂 😂 he’s legit a meme of being “a rapper for white suburban moms”
don’t let her find out about sexyy red. she’s gonna have an aneurysm on the spot! 🤣
See, I can understand being anxious about the perceived sexualization of your young daughter. I wasn't allowed to listen to pop music growing up; this is fairly common in religious families. But Ruby plasters her kids across the internet in all manner of dress and behavior, exposing them to predators constantly. So this was really about control.
Everyone has different convictions and reactions to things. Who is anyone to say that is unhinged.
my jaw dropped when i heard that they redecorated chad's room to look like the camp. it's so violating
Right? Like way to add insult to injury, it's bad enough to be sent away but never getting to forget it and being reminded before you go to bed and as soon as you wake up
Sickening, truly.
I hadn’t heard that. That’s freaking sick.
They are sadists. They enjoy hurting their children in every possible way.
And the way he had to act like it was an amazing thing to have a new room, while half his clothes are gone because she threw them out.
I'm a FedEx delivery driver and nothing makes me happier than finding a super long deep dive documentary on a topic I find interesting. I'm pretty sure I can do the rest of my shift before this video ends LOL you rock girl
That’s amazing I am SO GLAD!! 💜💜💜
I'm bummed i found it with only and hour and a half left on my shift and I'm busy all weekend so I'll have to wait until Monday to finish it.
Hey man thanks for all your hard work. Yall are friggin’ hero’s in my book.❤
Same here as a professional otr truck driver.
I needed some background content tonight. 6 hour documentary on a horrible mother? I've already made the popcorn.
As a physical therapist I can second the nurse who said that the femur fracture doesn't add up. Unless the child has some kind of disease, a little spill off the couch isn't going to cause a femur fracture. Someone did something terrible to that child and tried to cover it up.
My oldest son was a little slow moving around. At 5 months old he had not yet started rolling, so like usual, I put him in the middle of my bed while I cleaned my room.
Well, little did I know he would start rolling that day. He rolled off my master bed, which is very high off the ground.
I heard a bang and crying. I immediately ran over to him and checked him over. Then I was off to the ER. I worked in administration in the ER so one of the docs saw my baby right away.
He was no longer crying when touched, but they did some x-rays anyway. My baby was just fine. He didn’t have a scratch or bump on him let alone a broken femur.
I remember my doctor friend saying, “babies are bouncy, so I think he’s okay but we will check him further to make sure he’s okay.”
I didn’t know what “bouncy” meant. Thats when she told me babies have much more pliable bones that don’t break easily.
That baby didn’t fall off a couch and sustain that injury.
@@kayemendi4501this!! As a nursing student, babies bones are soft and bouncy!! Most falls won’t do much damage to a baby!(maybe shaken baby syndrome but that’s a whole other can of worms) older kids, teens, and adults are much more susceptible to broken bones. Babies and toddlers don’t break bones easily. I heard a story about a mother who fell down the stairs while holding her baby and the baby was totally fine aside from minor injuries!!
As a nursing student, it takes about 70-90 pounds of force to break a femur in a teen/adult. I can’t imagine what they did to that baby.
You can break horseback riding @@hannatheri
@@kayemendi4501similar incident with my son, at a friend’s house. I’d put him on the bed to sleep and he rolled right off. Nothing was wrong, thankfully! I can’t imagine what they did to him to actually have him break his femur 😢
I grew up in a Mormon household here in Brazil and till this day I have CPTSD from this. And my parents weren’t 1/8 bad as her. I have low self esteem, trusting issues, emotional codependency, deep depression, suicid4l thoughts, alcoholism and a whole bunch of problems related to being born and raised in this religion. Every time I tell my parents about my trauma related to Mormonism they dismiss the conversation and pretend that nothing happened. Both my brothers also have CPTSD and left church. I’m trying to heal everyday. It’s hard, but now I have help and will keep trying to overcome my trauma and not give up.
i have cptsd just due to general child abuse and i have very similar issues to you. i am so sorry this happened to you. you are strong and you will get through this and flourish! but also, remember it’s okay to be weak. it’s okay to confide in the people you love. it’s gonna get better, i promise. once you put yourself in a healthier environment and slowly learn to stop self sabotaging (i do this a lot still, it really sucks), it’ll get so much better. you are strong, alcoholism isn’t going to beat you, and you are so deserving of love, and a life full of happiness. 💙
I’m sure you will make it. Be strong and brave, but also don’t be scared of being emotional. You did not deserve what happened to you at all.
I am so sorry for your suffering and experiences. I have some of the same trauma from my childhood. I am a member and I have learned how flawed people are in their interpretations of the gospel. You are a beloved child of God, and I pray you’ll be able to find the help and support you need. I would be honored to be a shoulder and listening ear if you ever need to talk. ❤❤
LDS em Brasil? Não sabia q isso existia!
@ existe no mundo inteiro
Anyone else think that Chad lying to his brother about Disneyland might've been the best excuse that he could've come up in the moment, if asked by Ruby as to why he and his brother were awake in the night, dressed with their things completely packed
Wow, actually that’s a really really good thought. Never thought that but very possible.
No I don’t think this was the case. That was just a very normal, jerky older brother thing to do. It wasn’t nice, but it also wasn’t that serious. If he had intended to run away with his little brother, they would have.
@@Uneclipsedi mean u can get caught on ur way out
Whoa
Daaaaaaamn
the truly sickening thing is that if that one child hadnt escaped to a neighbor the police wouldnt have ever done anything about the abuse even with all the evidence
It always takes a child escaping to a safe place near by.
I wish people would start taking what children say more seriously from the beginning.
@@toltorg I'm more saying how if it happens on YT it doesn't really get taken seriously until it's too late
Well said and absolutely true. It's sickening.
What's also disturbing is how Kevin isn't facing consequences. At a minimum for standing by doing nothing at most participating in the child abuse. Because she was extremely abusive before Jodi was involved. It may have gotten worse after she met Jodi. But he was still around for the beginning of her abuse.
@@FukaiKokoro l'm about an hour into this video and it's doing a GREAT job of walking us through the history of the Franke's effed up greatest hits. Kevin is mugging his way through all the punishments and deprivations. He is every bit as abusive as Ruby. I hope all their children turn their backs and free themselves from these abusers. Kevin is terrible.
55:25 “I’m not gonna sit down and do homework with you because we have too many kids” DON’T HAVE MORE KIDS THAN YOU CAN ADEQUATELY CARE FOR. THAT IS A FORM OF NEGLECT!
How else will I amass my doomsday army?
Well Mormonism is all about having tons of babies.. but probably not about treating all those babies well..
Honestly, I consider having more than three children should be considered a form of child abuse, because how could any normal parent possibly fulfill all their needs? Also, the last thing this planet needs is unsustainable human population growth.
They can buy a new badass house but they can't afford tutoring for their kids. Or help their kids sign up for free resources at school? When i was doing bad in school my mom made me wake up early and go to the teacher's office to ask for help.
but joseph smith's god said i gotta!!!
I was born and raised as a Mormon in Utah. Mormons do not care about child abuse so long as you pay your pretty penny for tithing and you come in your Sunday best to church. I was abused as a kid, I know the other adults knew. My bishop knew my mother was physically abusing us and my father but blamed my father for it. Ruby is the monster that got the spot light, but just like cockroaches all the other abusers in the church are still hiding. Hope those kids can find safety and peace, though that’s definitely not in Kevin’s neglectful hands.
Ive never heard of anything so insane & it's advocated by the Mormon Church.The one & only TRUE church in the world.Hell is Jodies home town! I Can't wait till she returns. How in Hell could LDS leaders condone this Saranic therapy. Sick. Sick sick
OMG. Bishops ADVOCATE THIS? And pay for it? Never ask for financial help for a strughling family though
Sorry you had a bad experience. Although, I don't think it's fair to make a blanket statement like that for all Mormons or bishops to not care.
@@drpepperfan452I was also from a Mormon family in Utah. Our family was the most influential and rich in our town, and even then we couldn’t get any help. It’s literally in our laws that men can just marry 16 year old girls, and my mom was one of them, as was all the women in my family. The church doesn’t care either. They ignored so many signs, and it’s the same story all throughout Utah. My town is literally a cult of mental illness, crime, and abuse, and absolutely nothing is done about it. So we’ll blanket statement however we want because we’ve been there and we see how it destroys EVERYONE. But of course, it’s hard to understand when you weren’t raised in it, and I suppose hating a religion as a whole is controversial. But there is nothing redeemable about Mormonism, at least in Utah. Absolutely nothing. The horror stories I have from there, and the generational trauma, shows it just needs to be uprooted completely.
@@bichitenshi6696 it's "in our laws" that men can marry 16 year olds???? What are you talking about, dude?
"Not only am I going to be a mother and a housewife, I'm going to be GOOD at it" * catches an aggravated child abuse case *
*curb your enthusiasm theme plays*
The irony is pure medness.
that part. i was like “yup! u sure showed that teacher!” 😂
@@trailertrishRight? 😂😂
@@trailertrishthought the exact same. Boy did you “show him.” I would pay money to see that teachers reaction to that part of THIS video
I guess I can say that as an old man pushing 70, who happens to be a son, a brother, an uncle, a cousin ,a nephew, but most importantly,a father. I kept up with this story while it was happening. I was so angry. The parents behavior was absolutely demonic. When Russell made the best decision of life escaping I cried like a baby when I heard the neighbor, a grown man cry concerning Russell. Russell is the hero. I needed this 5 hour condensed video. Good job. Thank you.
Yeah, I always get emotional listening to that 911 call from the neighbor. You can hear the sheer panic and terror in his voice. Having to experience something so traumatic is heartbreaking, for everyone involved.
@@ChristopherSadlowski The neighbour had more compassion and love for that child than his own parents. One cried at the visibly cruel treatment a child got, the other saw it and thought only "this isn't so bad, because it's for your own good". This story HURTS
AMEN, fine sir, amen!
@@ChristopherSadlowski That's where I started crying. The caller was clearly upset and concerned, and then he tried to keep it together, I could hear a man like both of my late grandfathers.
It’s so crazy to think of the breaking point a child would have to reach to realize that the people who were supposed to care for and nurture him and his siblings have completely failed and even hurt them… children always assume the best in their caregivers and this was manipulated by Ruby, Jodi, and the negligence of Kevin and other family members who allowed this abuse to occur, or at least did nothing to stop it.
I don't think I've seen somebody point out how chad enjoyed the wilderness camp more than being home. that says something absolutely terrible about how Ruby treats her children.
And he gained weight!
When I first heard that I thought his parents forced him to say that but then I thought about it more and realized it was probably the first time he had any freedom
@@Sing_A_Rebel_Song I was thinking the exact same thing. The poor kid finally got to be himself for a little while!
I don't know why it took you saying that for me to realize that yeah that was kind of weird! I remember seeing clips of him talking about the wilderness camp and how excited he was about it when he saw his room was decorated like that. For some reason I just never made that connection! Now I'm even more disturbed!
It reminds me of Gypsy Rose Blanchard saying she preferred jail to living with her mum. And she put on weight in jail…
You cannot break a femur at 6 months unless a strong trusting force is applied. It’s a big alarm for child abuser. (This from an ER dr)
Yes. I'm curious about why they wouldn't have reported this to CPS. It seems like a huge red flag. Aren't there usually protocols that require such reporting?
Absolute red flag from a child protection perspective as well. It screams non-accidental injury.
@@zjay1356I’m not sure about legislation in the USA (I’m from Australia) but here doctors are mandated to report suspected child abuse. I imagine it is similar over there. There’s nothing to say in this case that it wasn’t reported. Potentially it was and there was an investigation and/or intervention with the family that eventually closed that wasn’t shared openly online.
@@PinkyForeverr, as a resident of the US outside of health care and child protective services, I know that there is a lot of religious bias in US health care and that child abuse cases are very hard to prove.
Here in the US Midwest, I have known friends and family who were denied tubal ligations because medical staff said God doesn't want women to have them. These medical providers were likely Fundamentalist Evangelicals.
I can only imagine that there are a lot of LDS members in health care and child protective services in Utah and that they would have a personal interest in hiding abuse perpetrated by other Mormons.
I’ll never get over how shocking it is that Chad put on weight at that retreat. I knew she weaponized food but it’s so much worse than I thought if a teenage boy has to ration food while being outside constantly and still manages to put on 10 pounds
That is a very good point. It’s very sad
agreed! Walking up to 10 miles and still putting on weight? Obviously food issues were Rubys that she then projected and abused with her children. She’s right where she should be unless they were willing to to put her under the jail
It's honestly completely insane to think about
Kevin is an engineering professor, and he couldn't help his daughter with math problems.
That's what I was thinking!!! At least get her a tutor, don't schools have those filled by other kids volunteering? How expensive can a private tutor be?
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Why do that when you can just let them fail then punish them for it
omg this!!!
@@Captaincory1I know what you mean, the sad thing is, so many people want to be called parents but they dont have the slightest idea what is parenting. That's why churches pressure them to have kids so young
His personality probably got him his position instead of his ability.
20:32 I went to high school with the sweetest, kindest Mormon girl. She's an absolute angel. I remember after her mom died of cancer, she broke down at lunch, sobbing that her mother wasn't getting into heaven bc she didn't have enough kids.
She's not Mormon anymore.
Religious truama is SOOOOO hard to process. Hope she's doing well!! I've dealt with my fair share of religious trauma.. it's hard.
I had the fun experience of experienceing sharia law in Oregon. The doctor who refused care to me went to the same church my insane mother dragged us to.
I nearly died because a Christian fundamentalist doctor refused to treat me because at the time I thought I was pregnant. I was 16 and not married. He was more so concerned with my marital status than checking to see if I was okay. It was sharia law because I had state health insurance at the time. He took state money to refuse service because HIS religious beliefs were violated. He should not be a doctor because the oath they take.
Anyways I ended up in the ER getting a emergency D&C the next morning at 6am ish. Turns out I wasn't pregnant per say. I had a molar pregnancy. And it would've been caught way earlier if he had simply ordered a ultrasound instead of kicking me to the curb
My heart breaks for her, that that thought kept her up at night as a child. I hope she got counseling after her escape, & that she's doing well.
🙏🙏🕊️🕊️💐💐❤️❤️
This is the shit that devastates me.
My family has a very strict christian side in which I have heard my family blame others for their illness as well. An aunt blaming her own son for his cancer, saying he brought it upon himself. Some religions twist common sense so far from whats normal…
I was a stay at home mom for a good portion of my daughter's early years and boy lemme tell you it was like sooo easy NOT to catch an aggravated child abuse charge
It’s wild that Ruby and Jody complain about “made up” words yet they call themselves mental fitness coaches.
Mental anaerobic exercises where astral project and run from Ruby and Jodys twisted souls in the spirit realm
but how would she derive joy out of "punishing" children if she can't practice on her own Mormonism encouraged ones first?!
Not the mention to oh so famous "distortion" term like the base of these peoples believes is always hypocrisy
13 months without actively checking in to know that your kids are being abused to this level is at the very least neglect.
Seriously, that useless man actively made the choice to bring six children into this world under his responsibility, as much as Ruby's. Just to abandon them when he knew damn well she was going off the deep end with Jodi. Parenthood is LIFELONG and any father worth the air he breathes, would give up everything it takes to fight for his kids' well being.
He screams "double life". He doesn't care about his primary family because he's checked out. He only cares about appearances which sucks for his kids. He should be in jail with July. Those poor kids.
I believe in Utah after 6 months it’s considered parental abandonment. He needs to be charged with that at the very least
IDK. If he and Chad were told they were damaging to each other, I'm sure they were brain washed into thinking they were bad for the other kids.
If he wasn't legally prohibited from seeing them, I don't see why he didn't make the effort.
Madison, thank you for being so good about not letting the “dad” off the hook. He’s not a victim or someone who was duped. He was a partner in crime, literally for years, and while he may not have participated in the worst of what his kids experienced, he abdicated his responsibility to protect them. If he didn’t know there was something his kids needed saving from, it’s because he didn’t want to know.
But he was there to protect them from a TikTok dance with the school board because family values are soooo important.
Don't forget the the day food chain idiocy which started the channel. .
@@Raya-ir4tm oh, for sure. The abuse was there from at least as long as they were uploading.
I’ve been in many support groups for those estranged from family, usually due to abuse, and it’s always interesting to me that many of the participants are more angry at the neglectful or absent parent who didn’t protect them from the abusive parent than the abusive parent themselves. Can’t say I feel that way about my situation, but I always thought that was interesting
This so much, I hate how people are focusing so much on the mom and so little on the dad, he was a part of it too
I remember he called the police on his oldest daughter because she "stole from their house" and she had to explain how she was grabbing their passports so they couldn't flee the country.
Ruby stating that the two youngest were "too numb" that just makes wonder about Ruby's behavior leading up to that. What kind of traumas caused that unresponsive, "numb", shut down response
What has hit me from the moment the story dropped was that the neighbour who made the 911 call, a complete stranger, was moved to tears by Russell's state. Meanwhile it was the people who were supposed to care the most deeply for the boy are the ones who did this to him.
I cried along with him. I hope they lock them both up and throw away the key
So true - it made the call so much more heartwrenching
Exactly!
The way he sounds so calm and collected, so "matter of fact", tells me he might have had suspicions for awhile, and had been waiting for the chance to make that call.
I find it so fascinating that Ruby believed since she didn't agree with the dance her daughter's school was doing that meant the school shouldn't do the dance at all.
Saying her daughter didn't have to participate wasn't good enough, she demanded it be canceled because she didn't like it, even if her daughter wasn't involved. That level of narcissism is incredible
I completely agree with everything you said except I would say more entitlement, instead of narcissim
An entitled narcissist for sure! She doesn’t worship God, she worships herself, and had the kids worshipping her as well.
Good point, not having her child in the dance is fine. But she thinks they can't do it at all? Get over yourself, woman!
Agreed. In that situation, you just explain that you're not comfortable with your middle schooler "dropping it like it's hot" (or whatever) and she won't be participating. You can maintain your own principles without trying to control everyone else's.
@@Heather-wr2jeentitlement is narcissism. What Ruby and her husband are showing here with their actions are a clear example of narcissism.
I've been waiting for the downfall of Ruby ever since that clip of her crying at the thought of someone FEEDING her child after she forgot her lunch. Prison isn't nearly harsh enough consequences for either of these women.
I think you might be combining the situation where she didn't want to bring lunch to her daughter and the tiktok dance the school organised with her daughter
@@vainpiers oh you're right! hard to keep all her insane choices straight sometimes
Same here. She's vile. Only thing I'm concerned about is what if the dad gets custody? That worry's me deeply because he at the minimum turned a blind eye for years to her abuse and maltreatment. At worst he participated. Alot of the bad stuff we saw was BEFORE Jodi. And Kevin was involved in that.
@@FukaiKokoro You're so right, he played just as much a part in all of this as ruby and jodi. Those children, minors and adults, don't deserve to ever have to suffer his presence again.
She wasn't crying over forgetting her daughter's lunch - she was very neutral about that. She was very upset about the middle school dance performance and the music chosen though, so maybe you got them confused?
She forgot to pick the boy up from piano practice but when the 6 yr old forgets lunch it's expected that she shouldn't have forgotten. What a double standard crock of crap. I have 5 kids and I drove to school a lot for forgotten items over the years and guess what? My son in his senior year thanked me and told me I was VIP. As adults if we forget something we simply turn around and go get it but once kids step out of the car or get on the bus for school they have no way to retrieve what they forgot. Nobody is perfect!
Let's be honest. Ruby already hated her children long before she met Jodie. Meeting Jodie only confirms that she was right in hating them. You can see her deep hate towards her children. It's in her eyes all the time when she was talking to them
Oh, definitely. At some point she began resenting the children she chose to have, and thus chose to act in accordance to her resentment per child. Linking up with Jodi just amplified it.
I can't help but think a lot of her problems are created by the culture she was raised in. The selfishness and self-centeredness likely came from a lack of support from her own family. Part of it may just be her own persnality- everything need to be about her, she gains satisfaction from hurting people, and her ego requires that everyone worship her -if someone doesn't love and worship her she transforms into a vile hateful monster. A narcissist, if you will. Her community gives her more power and praise for her behavior, encouraging it.
She was likely told by her Mormon community that having children would make her life "happier". After having children her life wasn't happier or better, but more difficult and had more responsibilities. She didn't want to deal with it, so she made her children take care of her own children.
This is someone stuck in a carefree mindset, of someone who doesn't have kids and feel the need to care for anyone else.
She was not prepared or qualified for children, but felt she NEEDED to have them to validate herself as a Mormon mother- then failed in every aspect of being a mother.
The irony is if she wasn't Mormon or raised Mormon, she probably wouldn't have had kids or desired to have any. It was only that BECAUSE she is Mormon she is EXPECTED to have kids. She, as a narcissist, thought that if she was a mother she'd be more valuable in her community's eyes. And she was.
This very issue has its roots in Mormonism, which other extremist Christian groups have the same ideals, goals, and values. The problem is extremist Christian values and how they value control, manipulation, and abuse above all else.
Mormons might not say outright that they abuse, but call it family values. You cannot convince me Mormonism is not a cult that controls and manipulates people into being complicit with abuse. Because in practice, that's exactly what they are taught and trained to do.
I've always wondered whether she really wanted to have kids in the first place, or wanted this many.
And the father apparently not being there much implies a similar possibility.
In a way I see them as victims of their religion, social surroundings and perhaps their own parents.
@@elainelouve yeah I don't think that's what Ruby and her husband really wanted for their life. Good point from you. Both have resentments but acted differently upon it.
Agree, watching her vids, the way she looks at her kids, she looks at them in disgust she saw her kids as dollar signs and something to control and not as her children.
love how jodi claims the 7 and 9 year olds were blackmailing her using social media when ruby has been very open about not letting her kids have any type of electronics, let alone social media profiles🤦
I was thinking the same thing!!
The part that kills me about the Disney prank is that Ruby clearly thinks it was funny but then punishes the older kid for it anyway. It's crazy.
That's a really good point
of course she would smile about this, because it gave one of her children pain...which she apparently loves! Then she got to double down and punish another one for it...must have felt like christmas morning for her...
I don’t think she thought it was funny. The look she gives Chad as he’s talking gives me chills. She’s smiling because the other kids are laughing, but she absolutely did not think he learned his lesson. I don’t doubt she punished him afterwards for laughing while telling the story.
she was just mad because she didn't think of it first
pranks aren’t funny unless they’re recorded and monetized duh
wow, I can't even begin to imagine how much research and time went into this 5-hour (!!) analysis, thanks for that!! You've don an awsome job, girl!
The case has stayed with me for months. I work with abused children (not in the U.S. though) and I can say one thing for sure - these kids are massively traumatized for life. Even with a ton of therapy, no one can say for sure if they will ever recover from these experiences and be able to lead a normal life. It is very likely that they will exhibit very conspicuous and difficult behavior in the years to come. I therefore sincerely hope that these children find good and sensitive foster parents and are spared further abuse.
It’s the glee on her face as she actively crushes her children’s souls for me
Btw, that glee is very recognizable to me 🙃🤡
the way NONE of her kids had friends and the way they all look like they hate their life/look like they gave up breaks my heart😭
Probably had broken spirits since they were babies. I wouldn’t doubt that Ruby practiced “blanket training” baby abuse.
The best part in my opinion of being a mother is seeing the pure joy of life in your child’s eyes. It would break my soul to see their spirit leave them. I can’t imagine being the one to break it.
@@subrosa4792 IBLP like the Duggars? Wouldn't doubt it for one second 👍
@@subrosa4792What’s “blanket training”? Is it that BS of letting your child cry and doing nothing or maybe something even worse?
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 it's a really weird form of breaking babies psychologically from people who believe that babies can be rebellious starting at 6 months old. Basically you put the baby on a blanket or in a designated area, and every time they get off that area you yell/strike/punish in some way until they learn that they should self contain on the blanket. It's honestly a horrible and disgusting practice and stops children from feeling safe to explore the world around them, which is super necessary for development.
WHY ISN'T THE FATHER FACING ANY CONSEQUENCES? Sure he wasn't completely around for the Jodi stuff but Ruby was ABUSIVE YEARS BEFORE then. And Kevin just sat around allowing his children to experience maltreatment and abuse. And even promoted it. So again why isn't he facing the consequences for his INACTION?
That is honestly a good question
He's morally objectionable, but legally it's entirely different. He has a religion backing him, and culture like that explains away intentions to harm. Not to mention that they have no hard proof of him abusing them. The kids haven't specified that he was abusing them, so it's up in the air so far.
The thing with prosecuting someone on a charge is that if they fail to convict, they can lose their chance in the future to bring them to court if more evidence is found. Lawyers want to be cautious about trying to convict someone for something that has only circumstantial evidence. People are shitty parents all the time, and morally objectionable ingrates outside of that, but that isn't something you can send someone to jail for.
He's a failure as a father, and it'll have to stay at that unfortunately. Until there's hard evidence of wrongdoing, it's extremely reckless to try and convict him and potentially squander that. You can definitely make a case that he's an unfit parent, but even that is difficult to prove, and it relies on someone involved to assert that.
Yeah ruby didn't just magically start with jodi. She was doing ot or at least on the path to it years before
The legal system protects men
It’s baffling to me how much this woman hates her children and punished for LITERALLY nothing
She literally hated them. I don't know if the issue was that being a mom didn't bring her the joy and fulfillment she'd been indoctrinated her entire life to believe it would, OR if the issue was effectively being a married single mom to 6 kids because her husband was a totally checked out, neglectful, and absent father.
Either way, everything about the way she treated those kids SCREAMED resentment. She hated her life and blamed her kids.
I don’t want to see personal accountability get lost in Ruby’s narrative because she was traumatizing those kids long before Jodi came in the picture. That fire was already burning when that weirdo showed up & all she did was pour more fuel on it.
Ikr!! She's acting like everything was amazing before Jodi. It wasn't. It was very abusive and she mistreated her kids constantly. And Kevin was around during that time period. Clearly the ALREADY bad situation got SO MUCH WORSE when Jodi came around. Again it was already at a horrific level. For years.
I'm frustrated and concerned Kevin isn't facing anything.
Agreed, and I honestly think Kevin should be charged as well.
@@brandonkennedy4160 I COMPLETELY AGREE. Kevin was complacent while she was abusing her kids for years before she started working with Jodi. All 3 adults need to be charged!
I think the poster was referring to Ruby not Madison @@panashe5268
Exactly! And I just started the video and it seems like again it's Jodi s influence as if Ruby hadn't been an abuser before. She and her hubby are abusers
Honestly, Jodi never manipulated Ruby to me, she just gave her the excuses she was always looking for. They brought out the worst in each other and, obviously, they’re both responsible for the choices they made.
There’s so many perspectives in it and we will never know the full story, of course Jodi is a manipulative person who has hurt many people but that doesn’t necessarily mean Ruby was one of them or that Ruby wasn’t a harmful person to her children already before they met. I tried my best to document that in this video
@@cruelworldhappymind oh definitely! Wasn't a dig at you, just my perspective in a million. You provided information I had never seen and after the years of following this family I didn't know that was possible. This was an insane amount of work and I and everyone greatly appreciate it!!
I mean there were many jokes how much Jodi and Ruby were heterosexual lesbian partners.
Ruby was propably not the strongest part in the relationship, but she was quite willing to hurt her children.
I guess she really didn't see them as humans, but commodities.
They were partners in crime.
This 👆👆👆
“would you believe that this all linked back to the Mormon church” yes I absolutely do believe that
Exactly!! The plea deal imo is to absolve the Mormon church any involvement and scrutiny. This rabbit hole goes even deeper than this and it all starts with The Mormon Church aka a cult.
Sure….One of the biggest religions out there is to blame for a psycho…….
SERIOUSLY??? You’re going to blame a church for this Child Abuse???
@@mhollman8650biggest? You mean in the states, right?
@@mhollman8650its a trend apparently, I’ve never heard anything good about the Mormons
@@mhollman8650 just search mormon and child abuse, the number of cases and even hidden crime is so high that there are even therapists helping people cut ties with that cult. Yes, it's a cult.
I really didn’t plan to watch another minute of Ruby & Jodi content but when my girl Madison pours her heart and soul into a 6-hour video you better believe I’m grabbing the popcorn and watching every single minute. ❤
I love her long videos ❤
The audacity of that man to try to portray himself as a poor saint that only wants the best for the children after actively participating in their abuse makes my blood boil
Watching the parents read their sons messages between him and the girl he had a crush on was absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Put yourself in that young man's shoes at that age. It's already nerve wracking enough talking to a girl at that age but to be mocked and laughed at like that in front of his siblings and the TH-cam audience is just awful.
This kind of behavior was pretty common in my family when I was growing up. I could write a book. I feel so bad for these children.
Yeah. I can imagine that broadcasting that interaction ruined any prospect with that crush & made it more discouraging than the initial embarrassment.
Yeah, that clip always angers me deep within my soul. Awful.
What’s the time stamp for this? Can’t believe I missed it!
It's a violation of boundaries and they wanted to humiliate him too
So I am a college professor. Kevin always "being on the road" and having to work all the time really doesn't add up at all. Like your job is in one place, man. Going away to conferences is common, but the bulk of your job is at the school you work at. And being a college prof is such a chill job, I cannot believe that he's working any more than the average person working full time. Like bro YOU LYING
I assumed he was "on the road" working with the Mormon church, not the school?
im confused about this too🤔where does he go
My dad was a professor and a Botonist. His research involved studying plants. He would have to travel for his research. Still, I remember him being at home all the time when he wasn't taking me and my sister with him while he was researching. I call BS.
@@TheZombieButlerI recall that Margaret Atwood’s father was a professor who studied insects. That said he took his family on his research trips in northern Ontario
It struck me that's he's a professor and didn't even know what the word "emaciated" meant... 🤔 (in one of the police interviews)
Something I’ve noticed that’s very consistent is how every time abuse is brought up it’s followed up by laughter. Ruby’s siblings, her children and herself all laugh at the situation.
I dunno about the adults but the kids are likely laughing as a coping mechanism and to cover thier discomfort
the story about the girl wondering if she’s gay made me cry, i hope she’s okay. she’s just a story in someone else’s story. i really really hope she will be okay one day
And the whole “they tell you you’re gay if you wear pink or cut your hair etc” like no mam YALL say that about us its not the queer community. Its yall 😂
@@casswashwash1070there’s definitely lots of heterosexual Christians who insist on enforcing these gender roles as well as hets and bis in the lgbt community who do so as well. The number of self styled queer spaces that insist all butch lesbians are closeted self hating trans men or nbs is ridiculous
@@casswashwash1070 I said the same thing. You guys impose those gender roles on us!!!!
ex-mormon/utahn/emt here. i’m only at 40:00 but that femur injury would have been an automatic call to cps. emt’s are mandatory reporters and there is virtually no way that poor russell got such a significant injury accidentally at such a young age. and so far you have hit the nail on the head in terms of the role of the lds church in the family’s mindset and conduct. ruby gave a lecture at byu a few years ago that i attended and i got such a weird feeling - i never imagined it went this deep though. it’s all so scary
Does being an EMT affect why you're ex Mormon?
Ok but there are times when Femurs get broken like horseback riding, football, baseball, soccer and basketball. Also common with brittle bone disease
@@jilldurham5498Infants are not usually doing any of those things. That’s why it’d call for contacting CPS.
@fauna5328 no they’re unrelated to each other, but both are related to this video
Tbh, I would've said something about a minor walking home in the rain
Kevin is absolutely suspicious and the media should be focusing on him more.I really want to know why he wanted those journals so desperately, especially considering how he wasn't in the house for over a year and his first concern was that the house seemed robbed and where his journals were.
I also think that he shouldn't have custody of his kids since he was never even a present father to them and that Shari should be wary of him.It's very clear to me that all he is trying to do is save himself and doesn't actually want to improve his relationship with his kids.Who in their right mind would say that they want to improve their relationship with their kids and then press charges against one, and then go back to saying u want to improve ur relationship with them.He's so two faced
not to mention his role in the whole camp thing aswell!
Fr like Ruby was the worst one here but him not doing anything and letting this happen to the kids is means for punishment as well…
He didn't get prison time too? I can't believe you'd make a 5 yr old make her own lunch. C'mon! I'd make sure my little one has enough money in her backpack to always buy a lunch just for an emergency. A five yr old is barely past a toddler for Pete's sake!
OMG! His absence makes sense esp how controlling Ruby was. Ppl have no idea how much power a mother, married or not, have over a father in this country
@@ssaiyan4mhe’s the money maker, she’s a sahm. What magic power do you think this woman involved in a giant infamous patriarchal religion has over her poor poor neglectful husband? Don’t let this man avoid responsibility for abandoning and enabling abuse of his children
The sad thing about this video is that it hits a little too close to home for me. A lot of Ruby's "punishments" eerily mirrored how I grew up - I was never hit. But the abuse was all mental and emotional. If I cried, I'd be threatened to stop crying and "be strong". So I numbed myself. I then proceeded to be yelled at more for "being cold" and "I don't know what's wrong with you, you feel nothing!"
My gifts would be given to me, only to be destroyed if I came home with bad grades or a low mark. My phone was frequently checked, as was my email, so I was "honest and good girl." I was neither. I was just sneakier.
No real friends. Everyone loved how attentive my family was, but I was harshly criticized at home when no one saw.
I was angry but could not express the unfairness and disdain without being humiliated or talked down to or compared to my sibling, who adopted the "go along to get along" as a survival tactic.
I finally left when I got a steady job and income. I went to therapy, because my trauma was harming my outside relationships. I'm healing, and I genuinely hope these children do as well. No one deserves this treatment. No one. I hope for nothing but the best for them as they grow.
It takes a lot of strength to move forward and try to fix what was broken by someone else. I hope therapy helps you as much as you need.
The irony of Ruby talking about Chad's behavior setting him on a course to jail...who's in jail now Ruby?
Omg, I didn’t even catch the irony there the first time
She also told off her teacher how good of a mother she will be and look where she is now. She should just stop talking
As it is said: "Pride comes before the fall"
So sweet …. 🤣
She was NOT sentenced to jail.
"I hope doing this brings them pain." Who the hell talks about THEIR KIDS in that way.
It's so wild. The thing about parenting is that you can't shield your kids from pain - it's your job to teach them the skills they need to navigate life's hardships and be their sanctuary as they learn. Ruby took this as "The world won't coddle you, therefore I won't either" and cranks it right up to 11 by literally BEING their hardship
Abusers
A little late to the party, but I've been with a family member of theirs for about 8 years. This cruelty is only the tip of the iceberg. The family tree rots from the roots up
Chad obviously hates his mom and has hated her for a long time. The way he looks at her while she's filming is chilling
Luckily for her he clearly wasn't a bad kid because abuse and maltreatment like that can lead to parentalicide
I think he waved every red flag he could think of, including when he was super fidgety in that one video to try to warn people to get help.
The homework bit bro... He looked only mildly perplexed & then incredibly angry towards Ruby. As in he knew she would stoop so low so he is incredibly cautious around her
@@Nathi98 Yeah his eyes told stories in it. There was such an eloquent: "Here we go again..." angry resignation... and then he looked to Sherry, as if asking: Are you going to join me if I say something? Can you believe it?
And I don't blame him one iota for it. Ruby is the lowest of scum, and if Hell exists she's definitely punched herself a first class ticket to there for all the trauma she's caused her children.
All my admiration and best wishes to Jessi Hildebrandt. For a young person to be able to verbalize and share what happened to them in such a moving and thorough manner is really impressive.❤
5:00:39 I've always suspected Kevin has another family elsewhere, and that he has a different name. The fact that he was never there, always "travelling for work", and then doesn't appear to be fighting to get his kids back? It's all very suspicious.
I thought the same thing lol It is soooo fishy.
😂wouldn’t be shocked but thought it was hilarious how upset she was about Kevin in general
If he does I'm sure he'd justify it that polygamy was ok with Joseph Smith. Everything is excusable in their cult.
There's a section near the end where apparently his Rate My Professor reviews all say he's difficult to get in touch with outside of class hours 👀 he's not at home and he's also not at work, so where is he 👀👀👀👀
I wasn’t aware of this theory but I believe because a professor at a local university is not the type of job with a lot of travel. (I can think of a short list of reasons why professors may travel, but they are all reasons that the university would promote to some capacity and the internet sleuths would’ve found the proof)
“You’re introducing them to the world and you think that’s okay!” Yes, school often does introduce children to the world
One might say... there's a big world out there that's not a city in Utah👀
The world is known as "outsiders" in the Mormon religion.
like…isnt that THE POINT?!?
Ruby is the poster child on why people who clearly hate kids shouldn't have them
They were nothing more than props to her in order to make money.🤬
i think shes a sociopath or has something really messed up with her mentally. like, i dont like kids and dont want them, but i would never hurt one. as much as kids annoy me i know theyre just a kid and dont know better. and even if they did, i would NEVER starve or abuse a child or anyone like she did. shes messed up
Thank you for this incredible in-depth video! You and your team did an amazing job!
wow the video length
major props for the work put into a project of this size
Thank you so much! 💜
Wow ya I didn't expect a video this long. This must have taken a ton of work. 😮
@@cruelworldhappymindMagnum! Opus!
Like an internet miniseries, right!?📺🤔👍
@ville__the loophole is that I can just subscribe and immediately unsubscribe 😅
At first I thought that maybe Chad was being forced to "look happy" when he was being taken home from that camp. Now I just realised he probably had more freedom, social interaction, fun and food than he ever had at home - and as a result was genuinely more happy. Its just harrowing.
That was my thought too... It could have been an improvement. The food was probably better than what he was getting at home and depending on his leaders they could have been a big step up from how his parents treated him. Especially because a lot of his behaviors were probably in reaction to their abuse.
Also, he was being self reliant. Taking care of himself, planning his days and his meals, gave him the freedom he never had at home
@@raspberryjamz he could probably have friends too
I've always been defensive of these wilderness therapies because it really did help my older brother but in retrospect I think the best thing it did was get him away from my mom for a while.
He left home not long after turning 18. I left the day I turned 18. We both realized what we had to do for ourselves even though neither of us could really put it into words at that age.
But it happens even in state sanctioned mental health programs. I've seen it more than once. Kid seems to do better when away from home... Yet no one would dare take them away.
Because where would they go? The foster system isn't much better than alot of these parents. The abuse isn't provably all that bad... Until it is...
We as a society are still failing children in need in so many ways.
@@SoulDevoured Look they can be done right occasionally, some of them were just camps with actual rations. I don't trust them though from the many that just abused kids straight up to the ones where the kids didn't know they were being abused.
Anastasia was bad but on the lower end as there was allegedly no physical abuse and there were way worse ones. Dr phils farm was a bad one too.
Growing up watching the 8 passengers, I really thought most of the discipline was normal. My mother took away my door all the time, made me sleep in the living room, take away food and lock it away, etc etc. I’ve grown up to resent her, because I never felt like a daughter to her. More of an inconvenience. She also constantly reminded me how hard it was raising me.
Only good thing to happen is I have my own two daughters now and I treat them completely differently. I give them love, appropriate discipline, and reminders they are important to me. I broke the cycle.
Congrats on breaking the cycle, and I hope one day you heal from your past in a way that makes your life better. Wish you and your daughters nothing but the best.
@@LizLuvsCupcakes thank you ❤️
My goodness! It must suck to grow up that way 😢 Society in general needs to stop pushing this idea that children need brutal discipline to be educated. They don't need that. I congratulate you. Because most people just repeat patterns
It's hard to shake that feeling of not being worthy and not deserving something as basic as food or a door on your room. My mom did that, too.
I consider it an honor to be in my child's life and give him the best life possible. And have fun! We have enough work to do our whole life.
❤❤❤all the best for your life.
Hands down the best video made on this case on youtube! Thank you for your hard work!
The horrific thing about all this is that these children almost didn’t make it, despite their abuse being well-documented and so many eyes being on them, and so many people trying to intervene. What chance in hell does a child have who isn’t an Internet personality? How many more children have the system let down, that we’ll never know about because it’s too late?
There's nothing to do. CPS rarely if ever actually attempts to investigate. CPS failed me. The only way I got out was growing up and getting as far away as possible- far enough to give myself the time and space to put all my broken pieces back together. It's just an unfortunate outcome of growing up an aboosive household. By US laws (where I live) children are not people until 18. Before then they are PROPERTY and belong to their parents. That's why our culture around families are so different from European countries. That means there's nothing government services can really do until they have EVIDENCE of a crime. But aboosive family members will destroy any evidence they can, stopping cps from being able to fully investigate, or denying cps outright. The problem has to do very much with that we treat kids as property and not humans. US Conservatives don't want to sign the same child protection act as our European allies because they want full control over their child's autonomy with no exceptions. So when I say nothing will happen for us, the reason why is political and relating to laws Conservatives have set in place to keep themselves above the law at the expense of anyone they want. Children are just the easiest to force.
*apperarently spelling aboosive will get comments autodeleted, I've had to retype this 4 times now as just typing it causes the comment to close out and block me out. YT Censorship is really amping up :/
@Rey-it3sg
And the worst part is that CPS often intervine when it's completly pointless. Like there was a story of a guy who wanted to teach their children independence so he allowed them to ride to school by bus by themselves. It's 100% normal in Europe. In the USA it's considered abuse
@angelikaskoroszyn8495 so so weird. Because I knew how to take the bus when I was 12 (I'm from the UK). But what ruby was doing apparently wasn't abuse until someone else had to intervene. It's always this show of protecting the kids but never actually putting it into action because they don't see them as their own people.
Who knows if the two younger children would be alive if the one did not escape through a window in a desperate attempt for help. It never should've been the child's responsibility to save their own life that was endangered via abuse
The worst part is there rarely is a truly safe place, ever, for abused kids. They’re not safe with their guardians, and they’re very likely not safe in the foster system.
It will never fail to piss me off how many children are ALLOWED to be abused and neglected, both by the system and their families. There’s no valid reason for the societal failure for innocent kids.
Even before Jodi got involved, Ruby reveled in the power she had over her children and she exercised her ability to hurt them. She claimed that all she ever wanted was to be a mom, yet when given that opportunity and those blessings, she abused it and them. I don’t understand how Kevin could defend Ruby’s actions , especially since he wasn’t at home to protect his children most of the time. Kevin doesn’t get a pass in this situation. He co-signed on what was going on and acted like a mindless dope. How could anyone believe that living apart from your family will strengthen either your marriage or your family life? Jodi, Ruby and Kevin all need to be locked up!
Exactly, Kevin failed his children, a real father would have fought for his children, no way my husband would abandon our children like that, if I ever came to my husband told him he had to leave and never contact me or our children, he would have filed for divorce and gotten a lawyer to get the kids.
Ruby seemed to want to break her children - certainly the youngest two, anyway. I don’t she would have been happy until they were grovelling on the floor, begging for mercy. She’s a very sick individual.
oh my god, her whining about having to up the food budget because "i have to eat more, i'm gonna eat more, i WANT to eat more! i don't LIKE being hungry!" is SO extra insidious considering how much she starved her children as punishment. that's vile. that's evil. no amount of prison will be enough for this monster.
There’s no way the dad had no clue what was going on
The amount she calls her children manipulative while she’s displaying such disturbing manipulation….
I've never known a parent who unironically calls children "manipulative" that weren't textbook manipulators themselves.
Shitty people tend to project a lot
*starves her children, deprives them of anything that brings them a modicum of joy, never shows any affection, literally breaks the most difficult-to-break bone in a baby*
"Children being unable to show unconditional love are just evil, idk what to tell you."
"Kevin had nothing to do with the abuse" Neglect is still abuse, Kevin.
Abandoned them knowing there was some serious shit going on, and then not having any contact with them in over a year? Come on!! I’m stupid, but I’m not dumb!
She kicked him out to get a job. She doesn't like him.
This
'I did nothing!'
It's better than doing harm but at a certain point even my laissez-faire mind starts to go 'Neglect!'
He didn't abandon them, this is Jodi's m.o.. Jodi's the savior, Kevin's the perp, Ruby & the kids were the victims. Jodi manipulates wives to kick their husbands out. Mormons are very prone to brainwashing, the CIA/FBI etc seek out return missionaries.
Well I never thought I’d be watching a commentary video that’s longer than one LOTR extended edition film. Heck yeah, I couldn’t click fast enough, thank you!
That means the world to me that you trust my team and I this much and I hope I do the topic justice!
Since all the bodycam and surveillance footage has come out with this case I was looking for something to go over the whole bloody affair. This was everything I needed and then some. Thank you so much for all the work you put into this behemoth of a video.
I’m an ex- Mormon and from very early childhood was taught the world was watching me because I was Mormon. The pressure to appear perfect is very strong. If you don’t fit the image the church prescribes you there are social consequences. It doesn’t matter if you’re a small child or an adult. If you’re not pretty, disabled, or if you’re neurodivergent, or LGBTQ+, your life in church will be a living hell.
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Grew up Christian and I will never regret my decision to stop going to church - I used to get told off for having depression because people thought I wasn't praying enough about it.
😢 heartbreaking. The Mormon Church faith leaders sound like monsters. 💔
@@KateCat420another faith who have caused & continue to cause so much horrific pain/suffering/abus3/d3aths. 💔 Religious dogma/brainwashing perpetuated by so many who enjoy seeing ppl in pain a.k.a sad!sts. Not all, just many.
@@KateCat420I’m sorry you went through that. I hope you’re doing better now. ❤
@@KateCat420yeah religion fucked me up so bad. Glad I left. Especially as an lgbt person my life was hell
My close friend grew up in a mormon family with thirteen other siblings and their story has so many of the same qualities as the Frankes children’s. From the lack of hygiene care, to the extreme neglect, to the childhood abuse. These people are taught to have family values but are not taught how to care for children nor are they taught how to have emotional maturity and stability. Child abuse and neglect is rampant in the mormon community, my hometown was full of it.
I've heard from ex-Evangelicals that it's pretty much the norm for the children in large fundamentalist families to be neglected to some degree. Would you say the same is true in the Mormon community?
Don’t worry, I knew rich ones that dressed well and had nice cars, they were just holier than thou assholes who had a 12 yr old that would shittalk his peers because his holy pureness had never had coffee before, so obviously he was better than us. 🙄🙄🙄
The fact that the neighbor who found him had more emotion and empathy for him then he’s mother and father ever did ☹️ god bless that neighbor for helping!
He's more of a Christian than any adult in 8P in action and word. He actually did the gracious and godly thing here.
It was heartbreaking how Russell said it was all his own fault, as he sat there starved and injured.
Exactly! That neighbor and his wife saved Russel & Eve’s life!
Children’s voices matter so much, I can’t imagine how the kids feel and what they went through
I just can’t help but see this story as a warning about the cult of Mormonism with how toxic and abusive it is, and the disturbing ways “family channels” can ruin kids lives.. Putting them together was a recipe for disaster…
Absolutely Mormonism is the thread that ties everything together. Silencing victims and sweeping abuse under the rug is so deeply embedded in Mormon culture that I don’t think any amount of reform can repair the mindset of those involved with the church.
I had the thought the reason why they were so frugally minded was because they were donating a LOT of money to the church. The church asks you to donate 12% of your income AT MINIMUM. this includes if you are retired and living on a fixed income.
@@mollycurran1978it makes me so sad and heartbroken for kids who are brought up in this cult, they’ll have so many problems even if they can get out of it.. 😞
I always try to keep in mind that “it’s not everyone, there’s bad people everywhere” but with the way Mormonism keeps coming up in stories like these and in true crime videos, it feels like they’re hellbent on proving that wrong.
@@justapanpirate there's bad people everywhere but some places just make it easier for bad people to exist in them. Religion in general makes abuse more probable (saying this as a christian) but mormonism just makes it inevitable.
Thinking about Chad having an "addiction" genuinely seems more unlikely the more you get into the evidence of how horrible it was for them in the Franke house. He was 14 years old, did not have any friends, any freedom, at one point not even having a door for his bedroom. There would have been some form of undeniable proof that he had been struggling with some sort of substance abuse. As intelligent as kids can be, I don't think it was plausible because there was no chance for him to really be exposed to something like that. That just goes to show Jodi seriously had Ruby brainwashed.
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In mormonism, watching porn or masturbating is often branded as an addiction, we dont know thats what it was for chad but its a definite possibility he was being punished for being a normal teenage boy
The things that Ruby and Jodi consider “pornography” are not exactly the same things that actually ARE pornography.
Likewise, their version of “addiction” is different than what addiction actually is.
Jodi says that everyone has a sexual deviancy and addiction. I’m guessing that Jodi struggles with her own sexual identity and desires (Ruby) and also struggles with addiction. I think it’s a food hangup for Jodi, and an addiction to power over other people. I think she’s a closeted lesbian, and rather than just accept it, she hides it, goes after married women like Ruby, and gets the husband out of the house and the bed, so she can slide into his place. Ruby and Jodi were absolutely sleeping together, while making videos about how gay people are going to hell.
@@subrosa4792 I totally should’ve broadened what I said in terms of addictions and there being solid proof of any form of addiction bc you’re absolutely right
@subrosa4792 sooo Many people have said I'm wild for speculating Jodi and ruby having something going on and I'm so happy someone else agrees
She was abusing those kids before Jodi came along. Let's stop giving her leeway. She's guilty AF. I also cant believe the "dad" is getting off scott free. Last i checked you are responsible for your kids even if you are separated.
I cover these aspects!! Don’t worry!!
The best most comprehensive deep dive on this story. Hats off.
And according to the press conference of the prosecution Ruby fall under Jodi s influence. She wouldn't have abused the kids otherwise. So 4 years is enough for her 🤮🤮.
Just hearing her say how hard she makes the kids work reminds me of the charging documents all the crimes they commited
You’re killing it with these long documentaries. Thank you for covering this so well ❤
The 911 of them describing Russell’s injuries is maybe one of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever heard…
As soon as he noticed the remaining tape & wounds he realised something was very wrong... & his calm demeanor broke into a devestated man seeing a poor child in need of help
I'm just thinking about how, at that point, he was probably the first if not only adult in this child's life that showed actual concern for his wellbeing and I am heartbroken all over again.
He couldn't even say a-. He went with detained which as a euphemism is crazy. I'm glad that's whose door he knocked on.
I always cry when the man starts to cry. It shatters me completely.
The biggest takeaway I’ve gotten from this entire situation is that generational trauma and religious trauma are seriously debilitating. I deeply hope these kids can break the cycle, and not only escape the generational trauma, and also the cult they never asked to be born into.
A good, non-mormon therapist really helped me. Plus, lots of distance from the church, itself. That is easier said than done for some people.
The Mormon church believes the child chooses the family, so that puts a different spin on it.
@@Arsewell-FoundationThat’s insane!!
@@Arsewell-Foundation I always found this confusing. Why would I choose neglect, poverty and toxicity? Or...if it wasn't my choice why would God choose that for me? Especially when people around me in the church had privilege and opportunity and reminded me they would hate living like I was living. 🤷🏻♀️
"Conceal, don't feel." Or from Smallfoot, "Don't ask. Just push it down."
Can verify the impressive array of thought-stopping techniques ingrained in membership beginning in infancy.
The more I learn about this dreadful woman, the more I wish she got life in prison. She ruined 6 innocent lives.
She's about 40 right? And she got 65 years max. That's practically life, right?
Edit: wow I read all those articles wrong. Thanks for letting me know; 30 years maybe. Still a lot of time for someone in their 40s
@@rosiepear7531 My understanding is that she can be paroled in as early as four years. (Perhaps earlier? Someone please correct me.) She deserves to spend the rest of her sorry life in prison, but I anticipate she'll get out a lot earlier, particularly as she's willing to shed her crocodile tears while reading her little scripts in front of a parole board like she did at sentencing.
@@rosiepear7531 utah has a law maxing out sentences at 30 unless its life, she's probably gonna die and rot in there but theres a possibility she might get out
@@rosiepear7531 Each one will get no more than 4 years.
4-30 years is what she got. Idk how everyone in this thread got it so wrong lol
Can we appreciate how invested she is in her work ?! She made a 5 HOURS long video, and i never got bored of it. Doing the research, writing the scripe, filming the video, and editing it must have been so exhausting to do. Idk if you got a team by your side, but WOW ❤!
(And i just realized that she also made time-lapse...she is truly a hard worker)
Ruby Franke was so protective of her children that she beat them, she starved them, she withheld water from them, she hogtied them, she handcuffed them, and more. I have seen the face of Evil - and it is Ruby Franke.
As a nursing student, it takes about 70-90 pounds of force to break a femur. They normally don’t break unless it’s from a car accident and a very high fall.
wow.
@@cruelworldhappymind Not to mention the fact that baby bones are MUCH harder to break than adult ones. I can only imagine what they did to that poor thing.
Yeahhh... highly doubt it was just a fall off a couch. More likely she was "punishing" him for something and didnt take the wails of pain seriously. Truly a disgusting human being
I'm amazed she didn't lose the children when that happened.
@@LearningandLife me tok
Her excuse of “oh I thought the world was this bad so I thought I had to be too” is such a backwards excuse. I’ve seen literal acts of domestic violence, assault, and possible murder in my life but I never said that it was the norm and I should be like them.
WHAT KINDA LIFE R U LIVING WHAT
@@Imjustkendall its pretty par for the course when you're an adult tbh
@@Imjustkendall What, you DIDN'T see your mum nearly get killed by your dad when you were little?
the connections between Mormons and the Troubled Teen Industry could be its own docuseries.
Late to this but totally agree. Heard lots of things about the church after i left. So glad i left when i did. You know its gonna take the kids so much time in therapy to understand what happened to them because of jodi and ruby and the church
Saying "You're not only living in distortion for being anxious but you're being entitled." because shaming people with anxiety helps them with their anxiety😬🤢🤮🤬
And for a lot of people anxiety is just, like, a part of their essence? Lots of people get anxiety even when nothing in particular is happening to trigger them. It gives "you choose to be gay" vibes and it's gross and I don't like it.
Add in religious scrupulosity, (a kind of anxious Study and Pray or Die OCD) and Jodi/Ruby's advice would only make things that much harder and worse for those dealing with this challenge.
Like…have you ever thought about just….NOT being anxious? 😂🤦🏼♀️ What year is it again?
When I was about 5, I started to develop what I now know as my diagnoses of panic disorder, social anxiety, and ptsd. I lived with my aunt and her husband in a different state because my mom was in her 20’s and didn’t want me (which contributed to the anxiety). I started having panic attacks on the daily, and they would get worse at night to the point where I would vomit in my bedroom because I was ruminating so badly. Whenever this happened, my aunt’s husband used to make me strip naked and swat my butt with a large wooden spoon 20-30 times. I bruised many times. And of course, as always, he is a devout Christian.
I had a very Mormon teacher in high school who would openly talk about abusing his kids in front of my classmates and I. He wasn't as abusive as Ruby, or at least was never caught for it, but I vividly remember him talking about how one of his kids broke their arm, and he refused to get them medical help, because the doctor didn't do anything they couldn't do at home. Looking back at it now, his kids were getting severe injuries a lot more often than seems normal, especially for young kids...I don't know, but he was definitely neglecting his kids, and I feel bad for them, and I hope they're doing okay now.
Some people really don't deserve kids. Hopefully his children were able to get away from him and find safety and healing.
As a nurse (even though i am not in USA) I would have immediatly called CPS for that story with the injury, a broken femur?!?!?!? and then wait to bring him to the hospital, yeah no not gonna happen. As the post said its hard to break a effin femur specially in babies. I feel so sad for those childeren, everyone around them have failed them. Family, watchers, fans, CPS and schools.
I wonder about that honestly. I might be making a reach here, but if the mormon church is so concerned with image as ex members say, and a significant part of the town RF lived in was basically mormon, and abusing kids is bad for the image... Especially if the LDS was actually giving RF money for making what's essentially an ad campaign for the LDS... Like, was the nurse/doctor/CPS agent part of the church as well?
@Oosterink yeah unfourtunatly i think it would matter. I don't know (well maybe a little from an outside perspective) how strict USA is with sperating (religion) believes from work but as we see in their goverment I don't think it would be strange if that happened. And looking at mormonism there is already a lot of abuse going on from elders but also from parents, it's nothing new or recent there are countless stories from people who have been heaviily abused by people who follow mormonism or (f)LDS. But I wouldn't be suprised that the people called in (CPS, police etc) would be involved in the religion as well. If i remember correctly the bodycam mentioned something like this, or a cop in the on call team did but has been a bit since ive watched that.
Also don't forget they are very influencial in the area they are in, I wouldn't be suprised either that that would have some benefits for them as well. Even though (and I believe that it is the same in the USA as for the country I am in) you have to give an oath as a doctor, nurse to do no harm and to the best of your ability to protect and take care of your patient, i do think those types of people who use their religion to hide behind would abuse that or put their religion and their religious books first before the job they should actually do. But then again America isn't very famous for the separation of curch and goverment so what do you expect
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@@AnnekeOosterink Unfortunately, I don't think that's much of a stretch. I know that for things like marriage counseling and therapy, the LDS church strongly encourages that people only see "professionals" that are also in the church. I've heard too many horror stories of women trying to leave their abusive husbands being told to stay by "therapists" recommended by the church.
@@ErinHonor Oh sh!t, that's bad. I mean, I don't consider most churches great as it is, and things like this, where child abuse seem to have been covered up for a very very long time, etc don't help. Churches seem to have a habit of covering up abuse. It's bad enough that there is abuse in the first place, but then also covering it up makes it even worse.
Hearing her cry in the car over the school tiktok dances talking about the safety of kids and how they aren’t safe is a punch in the face amd heart wrenching!
The fact this woman would ever say that her only goal in life was to be "a great mother" just boggles my mind.
Unfortunately we have this absolutely DRILLED into us as very young girls in the Mormon church. I am not Mormon anymore, and I really resent how much of my life was chosen for me. I do love my children and I'm very careful now to use my time in ways I want to...but I lost so many years thinking all I was good for was marriage and procreating.
FAIL
@@reiddutchess9955 seriously? She's empirically the opposite of her stated goal in life. *She's literally going to prison for being a bad mother.*
@@reiddutchess9955 okay, so admit it then, because I never said her goal wasn't "good enough," did I? I said it was mind boggling that *this woman,* who again is *going to prison for being a terrible mother* , stated that her goal in life was to be a great mother. Your knee-jerk response was that I was somehow criticizing mothers in general when I literally never said anything of the sort and was talking specifically about *this empirically terrible mother.* And you accused *me* of projecting? GTFO.
@@reiddutchess9955 if you think seriously think you were being polite by bombing my notifications with how wrong I am about what I literally said, you should reflect on that.
the smoking gun against Kevin is he tried to have Sherri arrested for “stealing” from the family home HE DIDNT LIVE AT after Ruby’s arrest. What’s in those electronics he doesn’t want coming out,
I read somewhere that yhe oldest had to explain to the police that what she "stole" were their passports so they wouldnt be able to flee the country.
It's also really important to take note on how neglectful law enforcement was with this case. They failed these kids numerous times.
Because they are a well-off ,white, mormon family. If police was called on a poor black/latín/muslim family, those kids would have been taken into a foster home in no time. Worst even if it is a single mom ...
The laws in Utah to protect women and children are disgusting. I really hope change happens here.
I'm moving away because of how toxic it is.
@@letmeflyu2themoon I've never been in Utah, I'm gonna be sincere, but I've watched quite a lot of documentaries about scandals of the mormon church ...and it seems like the whole state is managed by mormons. Like, even the law is influenced by those beliefs. it's crazy. You made a good decision. Go to a place where you can be free
As did CPFS.
@haruno21 This state has no separation of church and state. It's frustrating, cause it influences a lot.
I watched Jodi and Rubys sentencing hearing, I wanted to throw something at my TV when Jodi said, “I love those kids”…….. yeah freaking right!!!!!
Agree!!! Every time they talk I get an image of a wrestler running in with a steel chair.
the irony of her being upset she’s in jail when she kept her kids in jail for months and the county jail actually had standards and is more humane than anything they’ve ever done to those children
She was NOT sentenced to jail.
@@Ausgar-yc1yl yes, she was sentenced to prison
@@Mgmorris98 Jail and prison are very different things.
that smile behind her eyes when she said she told the little ones Santa isn't coming... she's psychopathic!!!
Jodi was an absolutely horrendous influence, but she never would have got a foot in the door if Ruby wasn't already an abusive parent. Jodi only reinforced what was already there.