@The Eyes Of A True Demon- Anomaly Productions It's one of the biggest issues with RoS a lot of people don't focus enough on. (Let's be honest, there's so much wrong with the series that it's hard to just pick one plot hole to talk about)
They tried so hard to force fan service into the sequels but fail to see what the fan base really cares about. Just one of the thousands of things bad about the sequels
@The Eyes Of A True Demon- Anomaly Productions like, I don't know, maybe because she was trained by both of Anakin's children in life, and guided by them in death. And they probably got to know a lot about their father's history in 30 years. This isn't an issue at all! Saying Anakin would minf because SAND, though. Its laughable.
This implies that movies are at all driven by fanatical passion. They're bland, forgettable, and passionless milking machines dressed in movie clothing.
“And it’s something that a galaxy far, far away is just going to have to live with.” Me who has been editing, reworking, and reimagining the Star Wars universe in my head and on paper since I was 8 years old and now have plans to infiltrate Lucas film and work my way to the top: “No, I don’t think I will.”
There's also theories that palpatine used force healing on anakin when he found him lying near the lava bed of mustafar after his duel with obiwan. He could just be comforting him though.
@@Julian-pw5mv That's the thing.... It's a dark side power, palpatine literally mentions Darth Plagueis having the difficult dark side power to "keep the ones he cared about from dying".
@@Missingno_Miner In the books, the Emperor used a dark side power that supplanted one person's consciousness into the body of another being. This is most likely the power he referred to having learned from Plagueis. He most commonly used it to (1) keep himself alive by inserting his essence into physical clones of himself and (2) to torture his enemies well past death for as long as he wanted. That's not the same thing as healing, and it's justifiably dark.
Obiwan actually uses force healing on Like in his first scene in a New Hope. It shows up multiple times throughout the saga, it’s just not used as a major plot point.
No. The senate wouldn't make that mistake again and create clones. It was Palpatine that wanted them created, and then had them 'hacked' and they were not made by the Senate either, they were ordered. It's not that only the Sith knew, they didn't know... watch Mandalorian. :)
@@canningmatthew I do watch the Mandalorian and with my comment I ment to say that lots of people should know about the existence of Clones and that there are species/people who know the secrets to creating them. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to say right know..? But that could of course just be me reading your comment wrong...
@@11thriddler17 no, just that by the end of Clone Wars (series) they realise that there are ethical issues with creating clones just to do others dirty work. Hence some of the clones breaking from their training, including rex. It's not that others can't, it's likely they dont want to or cant afford to. The Empire is doing it quietly and hidden. The universe as we see it in Mandalorian is like the old west. Not many factions around to be able to afford cloning even if they wanted it.
@@canningmatthew he, I'm starting to realise that now. I might have been binge watching Clone Wars lately... But I think you mean by this that only a group or a person as powerful as the sith could start an operation as this again. And I fully understand that. It just bothered me that the movie kind of forgot that the clone wars where a thing. And I don't believe that the New Republic tried to cover up that big piece of history. So I just found it rather odd how the movie seemed to have forgotten about the Clone Wars. That's all
Cloning and cloning force sensitive persons are two completely different things. Kaminos aren't the only cloners Just "Damn Good Ones" as stated by Dexter Jettster. The goal in The Mandalorian and also with Snope and Emperor is to clone powerful force sensitive clones. Mof Gideon has his agenda and Palpatine has his. Just a regular clone would burn up if Palpatine put his force energy in them. He needs one that has connections with the force.
I always thought the ending of Rise of Skywalker should have followed that logic, that death is a natural force and undoing it is something only the dark side would dabble in. Would also explain why the jedi didn't teach Anakin about it.
Force healing is a very high skill light side power that only the purest jedi can perform. It's also not instant,thanks Disney/Lucasfilm for giving more powers to Rey for no reason.
I personally think that Palpatine didn't come back from death fully; I think he lost his sanity and returned mentally fractured, much like the Lazerus pit does in the DCU. He still executed a lot of his prior planning he had from before his death, but in a disorganized and insane manner. He wanted Rey dead, but not really. He wanted Kylo as an apprentice, but not really. He wanted Snoke to be in charge, but not really. He wanted the first order to take over, but it was too small to defeat the New Republic outright despite inheriting much of the old Empire's assets. Its flippant and chaotic, unlike his usual cunning, patient, and surgically precise self. I think he was so ruined by his hatred and thirst for vengeance that he just started lashing out indiscriminately at the galaxy. His star destroyer fleet seemed to be designed to tear the galaxy apart rather than to subjugate and rule it. At least, thats the best head cannon I can come up with.
@@MasterGamer-qo3rx Good, we agree the story's a trashfire but the fight scene were a bit weak to me. They were inconsistent with the weight of the sabers and since rey would never lose her fights, the tension was lost.
@@grayski3324 true but the concept and choreography where great. The actors where amazing in the scenes based on what they where given. For instance the SWTLJ fight was pretty good with the guards against kylo and rey. The thing I would change in SWTROS is making rey loose to the emperor and dies and the Anakin's ghosts coming and defeating him then he looks at kylo now Ben and Ben heals rey and then dies.
I hope you're not lying awake at night thinking about these things. Most of them are easily explained. The rest can also be explained, although maybe less easily and requiring a bit of a leap of faith. Suspension of disbelief is often necessary if you're watching movies and in the case of SF and fantasy movies it's an absolute requirement. Nothing happened that can't be explained by any means. Sometimes, real life is even more mind boggling than fiction.
@@Caleb-oc7fl mace even admits that he is powerful but does not have full knowledge of the force making him not able to become a force ghost. Which meannnnssss he may be the one that trains baby yoda🤷🏻♂️
@@Caleb-oc7fl I feel as if the only way he could’ve talked to Rey is if he survived the fall, learned the ways of the force maybe by getting taught by yoda then dying and becoming a ghost
I like how people used to generally agree that The Last Jedi was an absolute disaster that destroyed the franchise, but now more and more materials are emerging indicating that Episode 7 was a complete fuck-up, if you think for a second about the level of nonsense that is being established in this film.
Palpatine was a mastermind in the prequels and what he did was ingenious. In the originals Palpatine was seen as partially arrogant, but you could still see he had a plan and was still the mastermind from the prequels (despite not realising Darth Vader might kill him). Then they completely wrecked his character in the sequel trilogy and made him seem dumb, dull and 2 dimensional. The biggest thing that made him look dumb in the sequels is the fact that in the prequels he became scarred because of his own force lightning and in the originals he was killed while using force lightning. Why the hell would he use force lightning against Rey, just to be killed again, like, he should’ve realised by then that force lightning wasn’t good for him. Also a minor thing, why is one of the sequel movies called rise of Skywalker, it hardly has anything to do with the Skywalker family and like, it seems like they gave it that name so they could advertise the movie better.
As a random Facebook post I saw summarized it: Each of the Star Wars trilogies ends with the Emperor electrocuting himself. But yeah, his plans make no sense. Starkiller Base is made out to be a big deal and seemingly integral to the plans of the First Order in Episode 7, but when it is destroyed it doesn't appear as if the First Order suffers any kind of setback. After all, they still have the Supremacy and a huge fleet of Star Destroyers. And then all that is destroyed too. But fear not, because Palpie still has a super-fleet of planet-destroying ships, and - ... uhh, why did he commission that fleet again? Wouldn't the plans of the first two movies be enough to conquer the galaxy? Heck, it actually did. The Resistance is soundly defeated by the beginning of Episode 8 and we see nobody else trying to oppose the First Order. And with a huge fleet of planet-destroying ships, what was the point of Starkiller Base again? Heck, why do the invasion in two steps at all? Why have a First Order if the Final Order is stronger? And what was the point of Snoke? It's a royal mess.
I agree with 90% of this. The thing I don’t think is a plot hole is the force healing. I think Rey learned it from the sacred Jedi Texts. Luke even says in The Last Jedi that he didn’t even ever read them, but in The Rise Of Skywalker we see that Rey did. For some reason over the course of time they practice got lost as Jedi stopped reading the ancient books. Rey finally found them and read them. Because of her connection to Ben he was able to learn the ability as well.
The sequels are the most frustrating movies I've ever watch. So many things they set up only for it to not matter in the next movie. Everything feels disconnected and it doesn't even feel like the characters know each other. Po and Finn got screwed so hard, not to mention they didn't even let the og cast come together again. The most wasted potential to ever be wasted
You missed the part about a ship being able to suicide hyperspace jump into enemy ships, opening up the possibility of kamikaze attacks by rebel fighters which would take down an entire star destroyer by sacrificing only a couple of x-wings. That was by far the dumbest thing in TLJ.
Tbf with the chosen one prophecy, Anakin did bring balance. He destroyed the Jedi when the light was dominant and destroyed the Sith when the dark was dominant. The thing with prophecies is they don't specify how that balance is achieved, and in this case it meant both the Jedi and the Sith had to go. Until the sequels ruined all that.
I agree with most of this, but there are some minor errors. (Although I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is purely canon or if there is legends mixed into it) Planet destroying weapons didn't need a whole space station, the Death Star was built primarily as a method of intimidation, there were multiple smaller weapons of mass destruction throughout the years (again I don't know if or how many of them are canon, but technology wise you usually can compare canon and legends pretty good) Palpatine actually knew the secrets to "immortality". He probably couldn't die naturally. In ROTS he says "Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew" while teling Anakin the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise and how we all know, Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagueis, so Plagueis taught him how to influence midicholrians enough to create life, or save life. But this "immortality" just applied to natural causes (for himself), so he couldn't survive the fall into the reactor shaft, as Plagueis couldn't survive a knife to his back from Palpatine. In legends there actually is a good stroyline with the emperor inhabiting one of his many clone bodys after death but in that story it is actually explained how and not just this "somehow Palpatine survived" bullshit
also felt weird that at the time of the second death stars destruction, Palpatine had already begun building the sith eternal fleet that had planet-destroying lasers, like why build the fleet when you have a death laser on every star destroyer? The templine institute did a wonderful video on what the first order should have been, rather than what we got, recommend you watch.
Palpatine wanted to be killed by an angry Luke, which would make his Sith spirit able to posses Luke which makes him younger and possibly more powerful. This was already the idea faaar before rise of Skywalker.
You forgot to mention in Rise of Skywalker, Finn was going to tell Rey something but never gets the words out and the movie just ends with this unresolved plothole.
If Palpatine had been dead, wouldn’t there be a lack of balance? If there are no Sith, isn’t there a lack of the dark side? No Sith might seem more peaceful, but objectively, overwhelming lightside is not balance. “From a certain point of view” that is just another form of imperial tyranny.
Vader brought balance by killing most of the Jedi, and maintained order through the Empire. Snoke wanted to kill Rey because he wanted to be the main clone and rule the galaxy. Anakin didn’t stop Kylo because Kylo was the balance for Luke’s light side. Force healing is a valid plot hole Death Star is a valid plot hole Force ghosts are a valid plot hole Sith eternal was stupid lazy writing
I didn't watch The rise of Skywalker, I've considered Electroshock to get rid of Episode VIII and attempted to drown Ep. VII in alcohol. Lately I rewatched Ep I to VI on my dvd and magically YT algorithm is showing me stuff about SW sequel. I believe that all that remains of this number of useless movies by Disney, is FX experience, reusing a dead actor image on a living body. It is already hard to understand the truth from a staged picture, it will be harder to understand the truth on a video when this technology will be advanced. It is the future of Media..
@@hamoudiaboudi4462 theres not really anything wrong with the piss lightsaber, its just a color that is different from the traditional blue/green/red/purple
Exactly this. I was blinded and over excited to be in a cinema watching Star Wars again! Reliving those sweet childhood experiences thinking it’s the best thing ever and then bus ride back thinking heavily about how it all didn’t make sense and was actually garbage haha how embarrassed I feel now!
I did the exact same thing after the Force Awakens. I didn't even go see the other two, and I'm glad I didn't give them my money, because it only got worse. They basically broke the whole story, smashed every theme and plot thread star wars ever had.
I absolutely HATED the ability to heal people, or even resurrect them in episode 9. One of the major parts of Anikan’s downfall was his obsession with learning how to stop people from dying!!! It was a false promised ability that was seemingly impossible. Then ray and kilo just do it so easily. SMH.
On the other back in the day when the original trilogy was in theaters literally everyone I knew expected Luke to figure out how to grow his hand back to show If Vader hadn't fallen he could have healed himself. Maybe he would have if head writer leigh Brackett ( genuine old school science fantasy writer) for the 2nd film hadn't died before the 3rd one.
@@wisgarus yeah but not to that level. You wouldn't grow back fingers and hands. More like: You heal unhumanly quickly. Otherwise Palpatine could not have swayed Anakin to the dark side.
Kylo: "I will finish what you started" Ben Solo: Literally finishes what he started and saved someone he loved from dying by sacrificing himself. Fuck you people are dense.
@@jlw35cudvm I agree. The force awakens, while some complain about it being too similar to a new hope (which is kinda true), was a good solid introduction. It properly introduced all the new characters, set up some plot points and questions to be answered later, without being too risky. However, things completely fell apart in episode 8. And while episode 9 tried to fix the mistakes of 8, there’s only so much you can do. Tbh, JJ abrams should have directed the entire trilogy instead of jumping back and forth between directors
It was set up alright. Episode 7 set up a lot of storylines that left the fans wanting more. Then Episode 8 came around and said “Ya know all those plotlines you’ve invested yourself in and have been pondering for the last 2 years? Well they aren’t going anywhere!” and then by Episode 9 people didn’t give a shit anymore because Episode 8 made you feel like a chump for caring about where this was going.
"Cloning... Secrets only the sith knew." Except cloning was not a secret only the sith knew. The planet of Kamino made millions of clones _for_ the Jedi order. The Jedi knew about cloning.
@@Miss.6ixEdits actually iirc in episode 3 some of kenobis clones have different helmets and i think i heard somewhere that its because they are different clones from the jango clones
Luke in the Original Trilogy: I must bring my father back to the light side of the force. I feel there is good in him somewhere Luke in the new trilogy: I must kill my padawan bacause I had a nightmare LOL.
@@kurtwagner1915 Showing it is a sizable portion of The Last Jedi. They didn’t make it a whole movie because this wasn’t Luke’s trilogy. Episodes 4-6 were Luke’s trilogy.
@@DanBlondell bs. They show him starting a school, having one bad dream and then coming a swipe away from killing his nephew. There was no explanation as to why luke went from being so optimistic he knew he could save vader to willing to kill han and leias son over a vision, much less a large chunk. Bogus. I call bs.
@@kurtwagner1915 It seems strongly implied that it wasn’t one bad dream but was closer to the nightmares of Padme’s death that Palpatine induced in Anakin in the prequels. Luke knows from Vader and from himself how strong the pull to the dark side is in his family. Then he acts on the nightmares, which action ends up creating a new Darth Vader, who once again destroys the Jedi temple - Luke brings about his own absolute worst nightmare. It’s a mirror of the events with Yoda in Empire. It’s fair to say this makes the motivations unclear to a fresh viewer, and therefore as a movie that anyone can pop in and see it falls short, but as a Star Wars movie for Star Wars fans the motivations are clear.
Think about this, imagine Hitler coming back from the dead from some ancient German knowledge, and then he pulls out an entire army out of nowhere that was somehow hidden this entire time, and then the entire WORLD gathers together in only a few hours to fight him off. That is essentially the entire plot of the rise of Skywalker and it makes no sense.
The biggest thing that always bugged me about the Force Awakens was Rey thinking Luke Skywalker was a myth. I know that seems minor, but it's just so stupid on so many levels I can't get over it. The destruction of the Empire was 30 years ago, that's nowhere near long enough for a mythical figure to form. To make things worse, Rey believed Han Solo was a real person despite thinking Luke wasn't. And before anyone brings up Han not believing in the Force in a New Hope, he never said he didn't believe in the Jedi (he had one on his ship for crying out loud). He doesn't even claim that the Jedi don't have some kind of magic powers. He's talking about the religious aspects of the Force, not the Force itself.
@@shawnschaitel838 Exactly. 30 Years = 2000 Years. You know his entire point was that there hasn't enough time passed right? Your compassion is absolutely stupid.
Sequal Trilogy wasn't thought out. Even Daisy Ridley said this in an interview. They didn't know who her parents were until basically the first day of shooting.
@@typhlosion4493 haha no the writers didn't know. Theory had a video about this problem. But JJ had to basically undo whatever crap Johnson did to the film's and they kept going back and forth about who Rey's parents should be. This is poor planning. This is a multi billion dollar company, they should have known back when the Force awakens comes out who Rey's parents are and what direction this trilogy should go. Instead they made it up as they went. I'm not oppose to improvising in film, but it doesn't work with Star wars. These movies were made just to get a quick buck. They didn't actually have a plan for the future of star wars, plus the writers don't actually know anything about star wars, the expanded universe or any of the lore. Thankfully now it looks like Disney may have learned from their mistakes. If it weren't for Favreau and Filoni star wars would be dead by now.
My opinion is that ultimately Star Wars just doesn't have the scope for this - it's not The Lord of The Rings. Every attempt to make more movies that expand a fun space adventure into something expansive has been a disaster. We can't just blame George Lucas anymore- not for this fact, anyway. It worked when they effectively did a soft reboot or something that was purely a veneer of fan service. The best way for them to make money out of owning Star Wars is make different stuff 'in the universe'. It can feel 'like Star Wars' without having all the same stuff again- the endless books etc. and The Mandalorian are proof of that. I don't think either is brilliant, but they have the artistic merit the sequels and particularly the prequels just don't have at all.
The problem wasn’t not only the didn’t plan the trilogy but they had different directors for it. JJ copied a new hope but it had some mysteries for the next 2. Rian Johnson just undid what episode 7 was setting up to be. KK and Disney have him the right for his own trilogy b4 episode 8 came out. The original director for 9 quit so JJ had to make something out of nothing after Rian Johnson burned it all up but 9 was slightly better but nevertheless a disappointment for me. To make a trilogy or even a decent one like the original one or the prequels you need the same exact director, more time between the movie for fan feedback, no politics it, a FUCKING PLAN, and consistency through the whole thing. The prequel(which I liked) had some hate had consistency throughout the whole trilogy. Disney didn’t have that and they deserve to lose there rights to Star Wars
@@Edward_Nebiolo "no politics it" What does this mean? Also, the problem wasn't the directors, it was the writing. JJ is a perfectly acceptable director (or at least in the context of Star Wars movies.. ahem), but his writing sucks.
I remember watching Force Awakens when it first came out, thinking "you know what, this is actually kind of cool. I want to find out more about what we're being shown here" such as who is the random girl on a desert planet who was chosen? What happened to her family she was waiting for? Who is maz, how did she Luke's saber "a story, for another time". Who's Snoke, what's his motives? Who were those samurai looking guys in Rey's vision? I just remember thinking wow they're setting up a lot in the first film to be answered in the next two films. I felt cheated after Last Jedi. Kill Snoke? Seriously? After all the fan theories about possibly being Plageuis? And what they did with Hux, who was this awesome young general in the first film with so much anger, they made him a buffoon. I can go on. But it's clear there was no plan for the trilogy. So many things were reversed, retconned, or just ignored. I still to this day want to know what Rey saw in her vision at Maz castle. We'll never know
I agree, there were definitely seeds of something good there. If I were to try to pinpoint the moment it all went wrong ... I think it would have to be the destruction of Starkiller Base. They could have built a decently cool trilogy around it as the major plot point. Imagine if the rebels failed to destroy the base in The Force Awakens. They could disable it, perhaps, but it would be left as a major threat to the galaxy while remaining the First Order's base of operations. It would be their one and only tool of asserting dominance over the galaxy, but a very effective tool at that. The Last Jedi could then be about the Resistance trying to avoid being hunted down by the First Order, which would involve greater stakes with Starkiller Base looming in the background. End the movie with the base coming back online and destroying another system. The Rise of Skywalker (probably with a different title) would then feature the heroes gathering support to make a desperate push towards the final destruction of the base, and thus of the First Order. The problem with the First Order is that we don't ever get to know what they want or how they will achieve it. Starkiller Base is a major plot point in the first film, but the First Order seems to be doing just fine without it in the second one. Same goes when they lose the Supremacy, and even Snoke himself. Episode 9 has the heroes and villains in the exact same positions as Episode 7, despite two great Resistance victories in the meantime. It's like nothing of that has had an impact. They had to pull an entirely different villain with an entirely different plan out from nowhere to give the trilogy any sort of meaning, and it was rushed like heck because there's only so much that can be done within one movie.
It's like they took everything The Force Awakens was trying to set up, and just flushed it down the toilet with The Last Jedi, and for nothing. We didn't even get M. Night Shyamalan jumping out to exclaim "what a twist!"
For me I wish Finn would've been force sensitive and have him trained by Rey (Or anyone) in the ways of the Force (A good example of what I'm talking about is in KOTOR 2 where you can train some of your crew how to use the force one of these characters being Atton)
@@Christian-be6eg Apparently, the stuff Finn kept wanting to tell Rey about in RoS was that he was Force sensitive. It never made a lick of sense and never went anywhere, but at least it was mentioned somewhere. Not sure if it makes anything any better, though.
@@willscorner8423 You forgot Clonewars, Solo, Mandalorian and Rogue One. Rebels too, but I think it's animation and explanation style is a bit childish.
@@vesha6274 There is no Canon anymore. SWU has gone to bonkers of a scrap of a normality. Only particular parts are now, what is going to matter. Disney's destroyed the fondness and palpability of the SWU as a whole, and they've Sithed Out a NSF - New Fractured Space (...also sometimes with parts of the meatballs on a toothpick).
By far the biggest disappointment of the Sequel Trilogy was Luke Skywalker. No character's return has ever been so eagerly awaited, but then so disappointingly executed. I'm so glad we got to see the Luke that we all wanted to see in The Mandalorian Season 2. Star Wars was always supposed to be a 9-part story, but what has transpired needs to be erased and redone again
Exactly! I waited 2 years to see what was gonna happen when Episode 7 finished with Rey handing Luke his/Anakin’s blue lightsaber… and what does he do? He takes it and throws it over his shoulder. I waited 2 years… for that?!
Luke, Leia and Han were all mismanaged. Such a missed opportunity. All 3 had meaningless and unnecessary deaths. It was not fitting given their contribution to the franchise.
But that's the thing. Luke isn't supposed to be some powerful and noble hero in the sequels. He turned into just an old hermit who's barely recognisable anymore. Hell, he even tried to kill his own nephew! I think this is great because it shows that nobody is perfect. Even one of the greatest heros in all of media isn't perfect. It's a good subversion of expectations and is far more compelling than watching Luke immediately rejoin the battle and become a noble hero who always does the right thing from the get-go. He needs time to cope with his situation before facing the First Order.
Because JJ doesn't know how to create original ideas. He needs to borrow, steal, reboot, and copy things that came before in order to fill a 2 and a half hour movie. His original ideas were used up after he made Star Trek
what bugs me most is that palpatine kept his mouth shut for 23 years to finally take over....and in the final film palpatine straight up broadcasts his return and gives them JUST enough time to win
The fact that they didn’t even bother to have a full fleshed out plan for the trilogy is a huge slap in the face and that fact alone discredits this trilogy entirely. Passion drives Star Wars. George’s passion to bring a space epic to the big screen is what started it all. In 1977, people were blown away by the world building that would inspire movies to come. The audience saw what was happening on screen, but were also left wondering about the fall of Anakin and the clone wars that Ben Kenobi spoke about. I’m convinced Lucas had the whole trilogy planned out from the beginning and even had loose story threads that would go on to become the prequels. The prequels aren’t written very well. The cgi is questionable and the most important part, Anakins turn to the dark side, was rushed and didn’t feel like it was developed enough. But the prequels had, just like the original trilogy, amazing world building. You can still see the passion that was put into those movies. Without the prequels, we wouldn’t have had the tv show clone wars. Both the original and prequel trilogies were filled with expansive lore. In the sequels, it’s nothing NEW. Discount stormtroopers in the form of the first order, and discount Darth Vader in the form of Kylo Ren. If discount Darth Vader is the best character in your trilogy, you’re doing something wrong. There was no passion. No plan. Just the guaranteed dollar signs of a beloved franchise being brought back is what motivated them. Force awakens is passable at best, and knowing where the trilogy would go after it just makes it unwatchable for me. When I decide to sit down, and watch the story from the beginning to where it is now, I don’t watch the sequels. I go prequels, clone wars tv show, rebels tv show, rogue one, original trilogy, and then mandalorian as sort of an epilogue. Hell I even watch solo. But the sequels I have completely omitted from my head canon. Terrible movies where the big wigs just tried to capitalize on the fan base.
I don't believe that they had the fan base in mind, unless it's the story of the golden goose. They got some money from me but killed all hope of future sales.
Lucas planned Star Wars in 1973, he didnt finish it till 1976, and then did some edits for the prequels. If yoy ever look at old notes Lucas wrote, youll find stuff that would have shown character backstories and the history of many of the worlds they visit.
@@pondzischeme6430 I’m mad they told a shit story and the protagonist had little development at all. At first she was a nobody. At the end, she’s still a nobody. But with the last name Skywalker. What great storytelling and a worthy use of my time watching. How they made it and what they made goes against what Star Wars is. How about that?
@@Fernando-zpt The prequels were good in their own right, the Clone Wars redeemed the prequels by adding more to the story and fleshing out the characters!
@@jamesthompson9959 Well, they're the same asshats who have been bitching since the early 2000s. The prequels are widely loved, get over it prequel haters.
The sequel trilogy might be one of the biggest missed opportunities in cinema history. The incompetence across the board with these films is simply mind boggling. The films should be retconned from canon, or at minimum Lucasfilm should distant themselves a galaxy far far away from them.
I sincerely hope that they completely decanonize these films one day after they're done milking them for everything they've got. They've completely put me off anything Star Wars related that came out since Disney bought the franchise.
They would have done a better job taking Zahn's 'Heir' series and adapting it into VII, VIII & IX. There was a lot of reskinning with both his work and the Cannonized movies, but at least Zahn's stuff made sense.
I hope Disney will make the sequels legends and re write the canon story with good TV shows like The Mandalorian. From a business perspective I think it would make sense for Disney to do that too as it would make fans more invested in the TV shows and would allow for more far fetched stories to take place in Legends.
Mando directly leads into the Sequels. Hell, Luke made the same mistakes as the Old Jedi Order did with Grogu, by forcing him to choose between his attachments and the Jedi way.
George Lucas in a recent interview punked the disney sequels. Saying it was unecessarily done as the first three and three prequels he did explained the empires beginning and end fully. And that the current ones didnt follow his vision.Too right.😁
To be fair, Lucas' original vision for the sequels included a lot of Midichlorians. Not sure if we would have liked it any better. But hey, at least it would probably have given us some new Star Wars imagery, instead of trying to copy the look of the original trilogy. Say what you want about the Prequels, at least you can tell their unique look at a glance at almost any shot. The problems Lucas describes don't seem too overwhelming on a conceptual level. There are good ideas to be had about an Imperial remnant seeking to return to power after building their forces in the Unknown Regions over many years. The Expanded Universe even ran with a story quite like that. I think they could have written a quite gripping story with the characters and themes featured in the sequel trilogy. But alas, they seem not to have done any planning whatsoever, and it all failed grossly in the execution.
@@Codraroll why do people hate Midichlorians tho? One of the bigger problems I have wtih Star Wars is how vague Force and all of it's history is. They need to add some logic into it. Midichlorians seems like a decent way to say "There's these creatures in the universe that are Supposed to be good with the Force", having absolutely anyone randomly being able to use the force seems weird
@@MikeSandersonVideos in a movie where they've created a whole world they do need to explain everything. If nothing matters than fuck it, add a third group and call them Jedith. They're mutated Jedi and Sith hybrids that are more powerful than everyone ever, why do they exist and why are they so powerful??? "not everything needs an explanation :)"
@@MikeSandersonVideos Star Wars is science fiction. Of course everything needs to be explained. The Force being the only thing in this series that seems like magic is a little weird and out of place. Might as well give it a little science to fit the setting.
Palps never wanted luke to kill him, he knew vader would defend his master like the obedient apprentice he was. He taunted luke to strike him in anger and hate to turn him to the dark side, which he hoped would make Luke many times stronger than vader and eventually kill him. Afterwards, he would take luke in as his apprentice. He never intended to die or break the rules of two, he just wanted a stronger apprentice
Minor precognition is a BIG part of all force user abilities, they all experience the "suprise attack" earlier in premonitions of different kinds, meaning that Pals would have know beforehand if the attack would be blocked. Feels often that people forget that trained force users fight in the "future", scanning for opportunities while trying to not be distracted from the saberfight in the present.
@@ponglenis9273 The biggest problem on the internet is that no one knows how to read. Maybe you should go back and try again, because what I said has everything to do with the original comment.
"hasn't watched half of the star wars movies" Don't forget that this was the intention, until they managed to make a folly all of their own! Star Wars: One of the biggest franchises ever and only a third of it is any good.
each and every time i watched a sequel film for the first time i didnt actually think they were that bad at first, but each and every time, consistently, i would start to think about it 30 minutes after the film ended, immediately realizing how poorly written, contrived, and downright bad each and every plot of the sequel films are. The sequel trilogy are like transformers movies, you watch them for the flashy visuals and good effects and cool star wars iconography before you realize that they are actually awful movies.
8:20 just one nitpick: Qui Gon wasn't the first, but the first in a long time. When talking to Yoda in Dagobah, he says that he is "one of the few" who learned it.
@@DerrickRG no that’s not it. I think what Arlankels is trying to say is that the video doesn’t really present any plot holes. Everything can be explained through cannon. It might not be explained well but there’s something there.
@Bert Rogan Ok, I'll bite. 7. Either Anakin was the chosen one or the chosen one prophesized has not shown up yet. A prophecy passed down through generations using flowery poetic language leaves much room for interpretation. For instance, Palpatine could be the chosen one who "balances" the force by eliminating the bloated Jedi order. This seems to drop the Jedi into the same "Rule of two" territory as the Sith, which is arguably more balanced than completely eliminating one side. As for the "what good is balance if it doesn't last" BS, ever try to balance anything? Tips pretty easily. Restoring balance is nothing more than reset to zero. 6.What did Palpatine want? Power, duh. As stated in pretty much everything he ever says. He asks Luke to strike him down to turn Luke to the dark side. He could either peace out to his clones or possibly take over Luke's body as he planned to do with Rey while he was struggling with his turn to the dark side. "Taunting Rey to kill him just as he did to Luke" is a self-defeating argument in the guise of an additional point. This shows that his plan has obviously not changed, he was just set back by Vader's betrayal. As for Snoke trying to kill Rey when Palpatine wanted her alive, Sith betray each other constantly so it's pretty much par for the course to go against the boss's orders. 5. Presumably one would have to be in touch with the light side of the force to contact force ghosts. At a guess, it isn't a one way communication and requires input from both parties to work. This explains away all these points as Kylo wouldn't be trying to contact a Jedi ghost (it appears Anakin returned to being a Jedi after betraying Palpatine as evidenced by him only force ghosting in his Jedi form). This is the general problem with invoking magic, be it space magic or otherwise. It is ill defined with tons of wiggle room for whatever a script need. So chalk this all up to "space magic reasons". 4. Force healing has been around in games forever because healing factor always exists in games. Easy to mash the force into the for "space magic reasons". Jedi have extremely varied powers and not all Jedi can use all force powers. It could easily be a rare gift that few possess. We only see 3 people able to perform it, so why would you expect to see it used constantly? As mentioned, only 3 people use it so following universal movie logic you can assume that those are the only 3 people that have been onscreen that even could use it. They did not have to learn this ability from anyone. Who taught Rey to Jedi mind trick in Ep 7? Who taught Qui Gon to force ghost? They can be taught abilities, but most of the time they appear to use abilities as they become aware of them, usually by accident as we are repeatedly shown. 3. It looks like the death star is completely destroyed. Except you are showing the explosion with notable glowing debris (it's the purple bits in case you were wondering). For the scale of the death star these relatively small bits could easily account for the size of debris shown. As for the throne room surviving, doesn't it make sense that the Emperor's man cave would have some extra structural integrity similar to a panic room? You also can't see a shaft and assume it goes straight to the core. I'm sure they would have learned their lesson about shafts open to sensitive areas at this point. Even allowing that they would be dumb enough to port the core directly to the Emperor automatically closing bulkheads exist, so engineering to the rescue. 2. I could be lazy and say "space magic reasons" here as well but since I've shaken out a hand cramp already let's give this a shot. Qui Gon was "one of the few" as mentioned above. Yoda, Obi Wan, Anakin, & Qui Gon are all easy. Qui Gon learned it first and the other 3 have all obviously learned it since they are shown as force ghosts. The rest as far as I can tell were all prequel Jedi. I get to options from this. Option 1, Yoda knew about Qui Gon shortly after Ep 1 and was letting all of the Jedi masters know about it so they could learn. Option 2, since they seem to exist beyond death it is entirely possible that once Qui Gon learned how to communicate with leaving Jedi they were able to teach it to any Jedi who has or will ever die. Either way it is still entirely plausible within the established universe to have all of these force ghost voices pop up. 1. You're asking how a Sith Lord in control of an entire galaxy, who is smart enough to plan an entire galactic civil war in order to seize control was able to get a group of followers? It was most likely a contingency plan already in place when he was in power. Hence why he was so confident in trying to get Luke to strike him down. Especially given how often Sith turn on each other it would only make sense to have this back up if he has the ability to send his life force elsewhere. The Sith Eternal could also have been the native inhabitants. If they weren't capable of space travel yet and a dude shows up firing lighting bolts it would be very easy to ascend to god status on that planet and keep the planet secret so that no one finds your crazy cultist group. Uggh, "the fact that kind of power could only be contained in a space station". Mind citing the scientific journal you found that in? Since the weapon is shown in star destroyers then obviously it is possible. The Empire loves giant imposing weapons. By this logic you could see an AT-AT shooting laser bolts and then whine that it's impossible to fit lasers into a blaster, despite being shown otherwise. The simple explanation? Death star one blows up, they start building death star 2 since they already have working plans and it is large and imposing. My guess is the star destroyer fleet was already being built in secret alongside death star 2. You already have plans for a death star so all of the design team involved is shifted into improving and miniaturizing the planet-destroying laser. Starkiller base could derive from having different design intentions gearing towards making it larger and capable of multiple simultaneous firings. It could have also been built to sate the desire for something large and showy while the destroyer fleet can be dispersed across a larger area and not susceptible to a single attack. It could also be misdirection. Look at this giant show of force you've seen before instead of looking for the real weapon which is the fleet. TL;DR there are so many possible explanations for all for this if you just think about what you are shown. If you were given every single connecting fiber, engineering choice, and character thought that drives an entire galaxy across 9 movies it would be boring as shit. Movies are meant to be entertaining, go along for the ride and let your imagination fill the gaps as needed.
I remember when we didn’t know what happened after ROTJ and we just read about it in dope books, man I miss those days. Those stories were already written and they were sick, then these sequels came along and just couldn’t have done any worse haha man they messed up so so so so so bad :( it almost makes me wanna cry!!
@@man_without_fear6518 Except that's kind of the thing. They already bought it. It's just that using the content of any writer that helped build this franchise means that those writers actually get paid a decent amount for their ideas, and disney fucking hates that.
Sure, Palatine did come back in legends But in legends Luke was there to stop him, and so he did, Luke and his family helped defeat the Yuuzhan Vong bringing balance to the galaxy , Luke Skywalker and Jaina Solo defeated Darth Kaedus bringing balance to the galaxy, Luke Skywalker defeated Abeloth(who's power was a direct threat to the entire galaxy) . Anakin's descendants kept the balance that Anakin brought in the first place. In a way Legends respected Anakin, which is why in legends his descendants kept the chosen one's legacy alive for generations. Anakin made all of this possible when he made that one choice to save his son in ROTJ.
That was always one of the worst and most controversial aspect of Legends. It was only fitting that Disney chose to make that the focus of the third episode of the sequels.
@@bchristian85 I just explained why Legends did it right. I would like to know your point of view on why it is controversial, so that I can understand your point of view.
I do think that Legends did a better job of Palpatine's return than the sequels did, but still, the idea of him returning in general was always controversial. To me, there's absolutely no way he should have survived ROTJ.
@@bchristian85 OH, well I see your point there. In legends it is explained that he cloned himself and was able to transfer his consciousness from clone to clone. But yes, the idea of bringing him back does tilt a lot of heads. I agree with you on that
@Bill Wurtz 2 Luke was okay but there are other characters better than him he was always too naive for my liking he should've killed his father instead of believing that a man who killed thousands would have a shred of humanity of course in the end it paid off but it could've easily gone the other way. Side note I hate the fact that the dark side of the force is used as something that corrupts you instead of you being able to use it because you are corrupt. When they finally come back to the light I'm supposed to feel like they redeemed themselves or deserve my sympathy. I only watched the first movie but some people wanted kylo to stay alive as if he wouldn't be sentenced to life or executed for genocide
They ruined Han and Leia too. So much character regression. Making Han a smuggler again and wiping out the Jedi and Republic and bringing back the emperor made the OT pointless
@Shravan Sriram that literally makes no sense say what you will about the prequels but at least they have a coherent story. Episode 7 was good but you can clearly see the struggle in direction with 8 & 9.
@Shravan Sriram then I guess that’s your opinion lol I just don’t see how you could pick something that literally has no direction what’s so ever they didn’t even know who reys parents were going to be until they made ep 9 but hey if you enjoy incompetent content then that’s you.
@Shravan Sriram don’t take it so hard man it’s the internet you’re going to have disputes but I don’t know how old you are but you’re pretty mature to come to this conclusion. I will say this though I don’t hate the sequels necessarily it’s just the force awakens set up a lot of cool things that I would have loved to see pulled of correctly but imo they just didn’t deliver but the sequels definitely have a lot of cool moments.
I think a really important lesson Kathleen Kennedy needs to learn from this, since she for some reason wasnt fired, is that quite clearly planning your story is incredibly important. It doesn’t matter if the prequel movies are flawed or people don’t like bits of them because at least they contribute to the overall story of what led up to the events of the Original Trilogy. The Sequels, on the other hand, are highly flawed, feel completely disjointed and like all they really ended up being was a mess of a trilogy caused by two men acting like children and actively destroying, sidelining and retconning things the other one had set up
Its totally clear that a story arch was not planned out ahead of time for 7, 8, & 9. It's all over the place. They developed each one in isolation and it shows. 1, 2, & 3 had many flaws, but at least the story arch made sense with the original franchise.
She didn't learn a damn thing. Instead, she claims that people only hate the movies, because female protagonist, and completely closes discussion of all the legitimate criticism being flung at the movies. I have seen over a thousand complaints about the trilogy, and only 1...ONE was about the protag being female... She is ignoring all the criticism, because of 0.1% of the complaints...
A sequel is something that comes after. New Hope can't be a sequel to itself, nor can the original films be a sequel to themselves. When you buy LucasFilm from Disney, you can decide what remains and what doesn't.
@@jayo1212 That is my point. Disney owns this IP. They get to decide how to use it. We as consumers get to decide if we give them our money for it, but we don't get to decide how Disney should use their IP.
The remake of a new hope was hilarious in the theater. When the death star version 3 first appeared the audience literally shared a laugh. That was the point I stopped thinking about leaving because of how bad it was and actually wanted to stay because of how comically bad it was.
"So, it's another death star." "Yeah, but this one's bigger." I had to laugh at that. (Those probably aren't exact quotes; I saw it once, a long time ago.) What surprises me is that so many people didn't realize how bad things were until "The Last Jedi" came out. For my part, I stopped watching before seeing that one.
For me it was when Hux first walked on screen. I was like really? These guys are the antagonist? The people who used to get wedgies or heads dunked into toilets at school? My issue isn't really the actor since I looked him up (and he definitely can pull the unhinged young one trying to prove something off), but his appearance is... we went from Vader to this?
And Luke... and apparently Kylo. Though of the 4 of them only Luke do we actually follow down to the bottom and see what happened to them and how they got out of it.
@@rogue9230 it was though, because it had never been done before, needed the Raddus’s experimental shielding and a massive ship to do it, a vital resource that would have to be sacrificed and evacuated. It also needed the enemy to be oblivious as to what was happening. As they were in the last Jedi. Hux tells them not to shoot the ship down because it’s empty and is just trying to distract them. There was ample time for them to shoot it down and the manouver would have been useless. Take all of those things out of the equation and it would have been stopped the minute the ship started to turn towards them. And like I keep saying, the ingredients have always been there. If you stick your hand into a blender, you’re going to get it ripped to shreds. Now just because nobody in Star Wars has ever tried sticking their hand into a blender, it doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen and the results won’t be exactly the same. What do you expect to happen if you fire a ship at the speed of light into another ship? Like seriously? It’s not Rians fault that nobody tried it before. And it doesn’t break any logic as like I say, what would you expect to happen?
@@obiwankenobi687 when the Rebel fleet attempts to attack the second Death Star, they are forced to abruptly break off when they realize the shield is still up. The implication here is that when a ship runs into the shields, it destroys the ship.
@@gileshambleton2901 well yes it would because the Death Star is the size of a moon and the rebel ships currently didn’t have the experimental shielding of the Raddus
@@LineOfThy well, it could be a decent "wake up call", if we for example get an explanation why he couldn't appeared earlier to him (maybe Snoke or Palp somehow protected Kylo from him), and then Kylo finally sees the man, who he always want to be, his idol... And get hit by "dude, wtf are you even doing? You don't get anything from my story? Being a bad guy is bad, you know? Even I understand that"
for all the problem's people have with them, they didn't break canon and even expanded on Anakin and Palpatine. Anakin goes from being just a base villain to a tragic hero character, someone who made the wrong choices for the right reasons and lost everything (or, at least, he thought he lost everything). The video goes over how the prequels expanded Palpatine's character better than I can paraphrase it XD. There are some slight plot holes, but nothing big
My top 3 are 1) Revenge of the Sith 2) Rogue One 3) Return of the Jedi. (I actually liked episode 7 when it came out it was my #3 at first there was mystery with Rey, a Stormtrooper who defected to the Resistance which sounds like it would be amazing to explore, Luke was potentially back, mystery of Snoke, Kylo Ren I still think is pretty cool just being a Vader fanboy with anger issues, but then 8 and 9 just throw away all the potential with horrible writing and confusing decisions)
I dabbled in screenplay writing in the past and what's so unbelievable about the sequel trilogy is that it completely ignores the most basic of story-writing rules. Weren't the writers, produces, and studio personnel behind the new Star Wars movies professionals? Haven't they written screenplays before? Haven't they studied the craft of writing? How did it come out so bad?
The problem is that 7 added absolutely nothing and did very little for the characters, 8 tried its hardest to lead the franchise in a new direction and 9 tried to undo it.
i can't remember a specific scene but im pretty sure i remember some sort of healing scene in TCW series but I may be wrong. my biggest issue with episode 9 isn't healing, its the bringing people back to life. the whole saga & reason anakin became vader revolved around this rumoured ability to resurrect people using the force and now ben solo for no good reason has achieved this.
Episode 7 was always supposed to be set up work for the new trilogy, while the overall story was a bit too copy and paste from the first two trilogies, it did introduce a new set of fairly interesting characters, and raised plenty of questions that fans would expect to be answered over the next two films. Episode 8, said screw your questions, intentionally rendering many of them pointless, or not addressing them at all, while largely going nowhere. They claimed to have taken many risks, but didn't really. They tease many plot twists that never pay off, and waste time with Kanto Bite and pretty much anything involving Finn or Poe. Episode 9, being hampered by a lack of setup from Episode 8 not really doing anything significant or leaving any direction forward, this film has to do a lot of its own setup. The first half seems rushed as it tried to fit everything that should have been in the last Jedi but wasn't. In the end it is more of a sequel to the aftermath books than it is to the previous two films. With odd pacing, poorly explained plots and no real plan on how it was going to play out.
Exactly. If you build a shoddy foundation (Episode 7) and put crooked walls (Episode 8) atop it, there's nothing you can do with the roof that would save the house. Somebody should have realized after Episode 8 that the story had spun into such a mess they needed more than one movie to fix it, but I guess a bunch of contracts had already stipulated that three movies would be made, so there was no turning back. Episode 9 was doomed from the set-up alone, or rather lack thereof. It could not possibly have been that good.
it probably didnt help that disney decided after episode 7 to completely change the whole directing staff. episode 8 had different directors and different writers. Then episode 9 had part off the episode 7 team back and they just tried to fix the things that the episode 8 writers ruined but by attempting so ruined stuff even further.
@@Codraroll I feel like if disney kept all of the same writers and directors that worked on episode 7 and had 1 more movie to close all of the plot holes than they would've succeeded with these movies
@@hencefernande721there was an explanation, they just are very bad at communicating it. basically palps had a backup plan for if he died, and activated “operation: cinder” (look that up later, too long to explain here). at the same time, sith cultists on exegol were worshipping palps and they starting cloning him as part of his plan. most were failures, as seen with snoke, however snoke was useful in a way. he helped lead kylo ren to become the heir to the sith. during the entirety of the saga since ROTJ, palpy’s ghost and his sith dudes have been training an army called the sith eternal. they also made ships????(thats the only thing that isnt explained well) anyways yadda yadda yadda ROS happens TL;DR, Palpy made a backup plan and sith dudes cloned him and made funny army, clone palps is not the real palpatine
I've loved Star Wars my entire life. I'm even one of the few people that occasionaly log into SWTOR to get some good ol' Star Wars feel. But after seeing a hyperdrive being used as a weapon. I shut down the movie (which I allready had a hard time getting myself to pay attention to, due to the... Disney-fication) I haven't watched any "new" Star Wars (Mandalorian included) after that and I don't plan to do so. The new Star Wars films are for people who don't care if things make sense, and who will watch anything and say "It's just a movie, just enjoy it for what it is" without giving a bother to any shred of chronological order or logic. Damnit Disney... You know, I was actually really exited when I heard there was gonna be new movies! But this... Dredge, this bile, this blatant cashgrab... Urgh... Can't muffing believe they make great money on these films..
I agree with you entirely that episode 7, 8 and 9 are nauseating bilge - but the Mandalorian and the Book of Boba Fett are genuinely good shows, and I recommend that you give them a try.
Likewise, I stopped following the franchise after episode 8. It was not just outrageously bad, it was insulting, you clearly feel that the authors of this movie despise you as a viewer.
I know this isn't exactly a big plot hole or anything, but one thing about the sequels that always peeved me off was how Finn was a Storm Trooper that revolted against the First Order and I thought that he might sort of be a way of sympathizing with the Storm Troopers (since they technically did join the First Order against their wills) but then throughout the rest of the trilogy he's just going full blown genocide on every Storm Trooper in sight! And then when he meets those other rogue Storm Troopers he's like "ThErE ArE MoRe oF Us?" WELL MAYBE THERE'D BE MORE ROGUES IF YOU DIDN'T GO AROUND KILLING EVERY STORM TROOPER THAT YOU SAW AND LET THEM RETHINK THEIR ALLIANCES A LITTLE BIT!!
I always assumed from the books that episodes 7-9 would have a new Jedi order battling some threat but then the moaners would say it's just like the prequals.
Anakin brought balance to the force by turning to the dark side. After order 66, there was only 2 jedis and 2 siths. At least that's what I always thought.
Also, Rey buried Anakin's lightsaber in SAND. Sand! They even failed with the meme of sand.
@The Eyes Of A True Demon- Anomaly Productions It's one of the biggest issues with RoS a lot of people don't focus enough on. (Let's be honest, there's so much wrong with the series that it's hard to just pick one plot hole to talk about)
They tried so hard to force fan service into the sequels but fail to see what the fan base really cares about. Just one of the thousands of things bad about the sequels
Actually, she buried them next to Shmi's burial site.
@The Eyes Of A True Demon- Anomaly Productions like, I don't know, maybe because she was trained by both of Anakin's children in life, and guided by them in death. And they probably got to know a lot about their father's history in 30 years. This isn't an issue at all! Saying Anakin would minf because SAND, though. Its laughable.
sabers found by jawas in 3months time lmao
“Don’t be afraid of who you are.” Proceeds to take the Skywalker name.
😂
Congratulations on your 66th like.
That was her dark side tempting her to embrace the ways of the Sith
Hahahhaha real
@@katakisLives So individuality/self-acceptance is "evil" now?
The sequel trilogy aren't Star Wars movies, they're fan fiction, that's the only reason I can think of as to why these movies are hot garbage
Generous to even call them fan fiction
I've read fanfiction better than the ST
This implies that movies are at all driven by fanatical passion. They're bland, forgettable, and passionless milking machines dressed in movie clothing.
thats an insult to fan fiction. I've read fAN FIC that are better than the sequel trilogy
@@theduck9591 it's just fiction
#6 - Guess who's back? Back again. Pap's is back. Tell a friend.
You mean papyrus cuz that’s what paps mean
Shieve is back* just sounds better lol
I have no friends to tell
@@shinyev3281 Aw! I'll be your friend. 🤗
Nice hishe reference
“And it’s something that a galaxy far, far away is just going to have to live with.”
Me who has been editing, reworking, and reimagining the Star Wars universe in my head and on paper since I was 8 years old and now have plans to infiltrate Lucas film and work my way to the top: “No, I don’t think I will.”
Dew it!
Is it possible to learn of this power?
Share that work
@@kellenwong1321 not from disney
@@unknownalsounknown4238 I’m gonna share a little bit of it on my channel but it’s hard to share too much cause of copyright stuff lol
Palpatine when they bring him back just to get electrocuted again - “Aw Force, here we go again.”
I like to think Obi-wan used force healing on Luke in Episode IV, when the boy was knocked out by the Raider
There's also theories that palpatine used force healing on anakin when he found him lying near the lava bed of mustafar after his duel with obiwan. He could just be comforting him though.
@@Turbulation1 since palpatine is a sith, and force healing is a light side power, he probably wasnt.
@@Julian-pw5mv That's the thing.... It's a dark side power, palpatine literally mentions Darth Plagueis having the difficult dark side power to "keep the ones he cared about from dying".
@@Missingno_Miner In the books, the Emperor used a dark side power that supplanted one person's consciousness into the body of another being. This is most likely the power he referred to having learned from Plagueis. He most commonly used it to (1) keep himself alive by inserting his essence into physical clones of himself and (2) to torture his enemies well past death for as long as he wanted. That's not the same thing as healing, and it's justifiably dark.
@@extantsanity By the books, you obviously mean the EU, based on the obvious reference to Dark Empire. Which is not canon.
Let's just all dig out our untainted VHS copies of the originals and forget this sorry mess ever happened.
Box set with gold accents! You know it. The VHS originals. All you need.
Let's not and say we did...!
Obiwan actually uses force healing on Like in his first scene in a New Hope. It shows up multiple times throughout the saga, it’s just not used as a major plot point.
The sequels, "cloning, something only the sith know"
The clone wars, "excuses me?"
No. The senate wouldn't make that mistake again and create clones. It was Palpatine that wanted them created, and then had them 'hacked' and they were not made by the Senate either, they were ordered.
It's not that only the Sith knew, they didn't know... watch Mandalorian. :)
@@canningmatthew I do watch the Mandalorian and with my comment I ment to say that lots of people should know about the existence of Clones and that there are species/people who know the secrets to creating them. So I'm not really sure what you're trying to say right know..?
But that could of course just be me reading your comment wrong...
@@11thriddler17 no, just that by the end of Clone Wars (series) they realise that there are ethical issues with creating clones just to do others dirty work. Hence some of the clones breaking from their training, including rex.
It's not that others can't, it's likely they dont want to or cant afford to. The Empire is doing it quietly and hidden. The universe as we see it in Mandalorian is like the old west. Not many factions around to be able to afford cloning even if they wanted it.
@@canningmatthew he, I'm starting to realise that now. I might have been binge watching Clone Wars lately...
But I think you mean by this that only a group or a person as powerful as the sith could start an operation as this again. And I fully understand that.
It just bothered me that the movie kind of forgot that the clone wars where a thing. And I don't believe that the New Republic tried to cover up that big piece of history. So I just found it rather odd how the movie seemed to have forgotten about the Clone Wars. That's all
Cloning and cloning force sensitive persons are two completely different things. Kaminos aren't the only cloners Just "Damn Good Ones" as stated by Dexter Jettster. The goal in The Mandalorian and also with Snope and Emperor is to clone powerful force sensitive clones. Mof Gideon has his agenda and Palpatine has his. Just a regular clone would burn up if Palpatine put his force energy in them. He needs one that has connections with the force.
Isn't force healing unnatural? And thus potentially a dark side art?
I always thought the ending of Rise of Skywalker should have followed that logic, that death is a natural force and undoing it is something only the dark side would dabble in.
Would also explain why the jedi didn't teach Anakin about it.
Force healing is totally a light side force ability
Force healing is a very high skill light side power that only the purest jedi can perform. It's also not instant,thanks Disney/Lucasfilm for giving more powers to Rey for no reason.
I personally think that Palpatine didn't come back from death fully; I think he lost his sanity and returned mentally fractured, much like the Lazerus pit does in the DCU. He still executed a lot of his prior planning he had from before his death, but in a disorganized and insane manner. He wanted Rey dead, but not really. He wanted Kylo as an apprentice, but not really. He wanted Snoke to be in charge, but not really. He wanted the first order to take over, but it was too small to defeat the New Republic outright despite inheriting much of the old Empire's assets. Its flippant and chaotic, unlike his usual cunning, patient, and surgically precise self. I think he was so ruined by his hatred and thirst for vengeance that he just started lashing out indiscriminately at the galaxy. His star destroyer fleet seemed to be designed to tear the galaxy apart rather than to subjugate and rule it. At least, thats the best head cannon I can come up with.
I can live with this idea
Palpatine got dementia now
I like this. Instead of insane writing, we just had an insane protagonist.
If only it were true!
Somehow Palpatine returned.
Somehow that script got greenlit.
Me: tries hard to like the sequel trilogy
Also me: watches videos of why the sequel trilogy sucks
I also gave the Sequels a chance but they let me down hard
@@grayski3324 yeah, and its sad because the action scenes are arguably the best in the saga, but the story line is trash.
@@MasterGamer-qo3rx Good, we agree the story's a trashfire but the fight scene were a bit weak to me. They were inconsistent with the weight of the sabers and since rey would never lose her fights, the tension was lost.
@@grayski3324 true but the concept and choreography where great. The actors where amazing in the scenes based on what they where given. For instance the SWTLJ fight was pretty good with the guards against kylo and rey. The thing I would change in SWTROS is making rey loose to the emperor and dies and the Anakin's ghosts coming and defeating him then he looks at kylo now Ben and Ben heals rey and then dies.
They really suck
I hope you're not lying awake at night thinking about these things. Most of them are easily explained. The rest can also be explained, although maybe less easily and requiring a bit of a leap of faith. Suspension of disbelief is often necessary if you're watching movies and in the case of SF and fantasy movies it's an absolute requirement. Nothing happened that can't be explained by any means. Sometimes, real life is even more mind boggling than fiction.
For Mace to talk to Rey he would have had to have survived the fall from the window
U can talk as a force ghost
@@asiannation-4559 yea but Mace wasn't trained to become a force ghost when he fell out the window
@@Caleb-oc7fl mace even admits that he is powerful but does not have full knowledge of the force making him not able to become a force ghost. Which meannnnssss he may be the one that trains baby yoda🤷🏻♂️
@@Caleb-oc7fl I feel as if the only way he could’ve talked to Rey is if he survived the fall, learned the ways of the force maybe by getting taught by yoda then dying and becoming a ghost
@chaoszieg did u even read my 2nd comment? I said mace would most likely survive the fall and learn how to become a ghost
I like how people used to generally agree that The Last Jedi was an absolute disaster that destroyed the franchise, but now more and more materials are emerging indicating that Episode 7 was a complete fuck-up, if you think for a second about the level of nonsense that is being established in this film.
God I hate the new trilogy. Every time I think of it, I get so mad
Palpatine was a mastermind in the prequels and what he did was ingenious. In the originals Palpatine was seen as partially arrogant, but you could still see he had a plan and was still the mastermind from the prequels (despite not realising Darth Vader might kill him). Then they completely wrecked his character in the sequel trilogy and made him seem dumb, dull and 2 dimensional. The biggest thing that made him look dumb in the sequels is the fact that in the prequels he became scarred because of his own force lightning and in the originals he was killed while using force lightning. Why the hell would he use force lightning against Rey, just to be killed again, like, he should’ve realised by then that force lightning wasn’t good for him.
Also a minor thing, why is one of the sequel movies called rise of Skywalker, it hardly has anything to do with the Skywalker family and like, it seems like they gave it that name so they could advertise the movie better.
As a random Facebook post I saw summarized it: Each of the Star Wars trilogies ends with the Emperor electrocuting himself.
But yeah, his plans make no sense. Starkiller Base is made out to be a big deal and seemingly integral to the plans of the First Order in Episode 7, but when it is destroyed it doesn't appear as if the First Order suffers any kind of setback. After all, they still have the Supremacy and a huge fleet of Star Destroyers. And then all that is destroyed too. But fear not, because Palpie still has a super-fleet of planet-destroying ships, and -
... uhh, why did he commission that fleet again? Wouldn't the plans of the first two movies be enough to conquer the galaxy? Heck, it actually did. The Resistance is soundly defeated by the beginning of Episode 8 and we see nobody else trying to oppose the First Order. And with a huge fleet of planet-destroying ships, what was the point of Starkiller Base again? Heck, why do the invasion in two steps at all? Why have a First Order if the Final Order is stronger? And what was the point of Snoke?
It's a royal mess.
I agree with 90% of this. The thing I don’t think is a plot hole is the force healing.
I think Rey learned it from the sacred Jedi Texts. Luke even says in The Last Jedi that he didn’t even ever read them, but in The Rise Of Skywalker we see that Rey did. For some reason over the course of time they practice got lost as Jedi stopped reading the ancient books. Rey finally found them and read them. Because of her connection to Ben he was able to learn the ability as well.
The sequels are the most frustrating movies I've ever watch. So many things they set up only for it to not matter in the next movie. Everything feels disconnected and it doesn't even feel like the characters know each other. Po and Finn got screwed so hard, not to mention they didn't even let the og cast come together again. The most wasted potential to ever be wasted
You missed the part about a ship being able to suicide hyperspace jump into enemy ships, opening up the possibility of kamikaze attacks by rebel fighters which would take down an entire star destroyer by sacrificing only a couple of x-wings. That was by far the dumbest thing in TLJ.
For a few seconds I thought the title said "Star Wars: 7 Massive Plot Holes The Prequels Stupidly Created" and I got super mad
Tbf with the chosen one prophecy, Anakin did bring balance. He destroyed the Jedi when the light was dominant and destroyed the Sith when the dark was dominant. The thing with prophecies is they don't specify how that balance is achieved, and in this case it meant both the Jedi and the Sith had to go.
Until the sequels ruined all that.
Force healing was used once in Episode 4.
I agree with most of this, but there are some minor errors. (Although I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is purely canon or if there is legends mixed into it)
Planet destroying weapons didn't need a whole space station, the Death Star was built primarily as a method of intimidation, there were multiple smaller weapons of mass destruction throughout the years (again I don't know if or how many of them are canon, but technology wise you usually can compare canon and legends pretty good)
Palpatine actually knew the secrets to "immortality". He probably couldn't die naturally. In ROTS he says "Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew" while teling Anakin the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise and how we all know, Palpatine was the apprentice of Plagueis, so Plagueis taught him how to influence midicholrians enough to create life, or save life. But this "immortality" just applied to natural causes (for himself), so he couldn't survive the fall into the reactor shaft, as Plagueis couldn't survive a knife to his back from Palpatine. In legends there actually is a good stroyline with the emperor inhabiting one of his many clone bodys after death but in that story it is actually explained how and not just this "somehow Palpatine survived" bullshit
also felt weird that at the time of the second death stars destruction, Palpatine had already begun building the sith eternal fleet that had planet-destroying lasers, like why build the fleet when you have a death laser on every star destroyer? The templine institute did a wonderful video on what the first order should have been, rather than what we got, recommend you watch.
Palpatine wanted to be killed by an angry Luke, which would make his Sith spirit able to posses Luke which makes him younger and possibly more powerful. This was already the idea faaar before rise of Skywalker.
The thing that pisses me off so much is that episode nine made Vaders sacrifice completely meaningless
Is it just me or is Palpatine the master of contradicting himself.
You forgot to mention in Rise of Skywalker, Finn was going to tell Rey something but never gets the words out and the movie just ends with this unresolved plothole.
If Palpatine had been dead, wouldn’t there be a lack of balance? If there are no Sith, isn’t there a lack of the dark side? No Sith might seem more peaceful, but objectively, overwhelming lightside is not balance. “From a certain point of view” that is just another form of imperial tyranny.
It’s about separating ones preferred ideas of peace and order from the definition of balance.
Ruin Johnson created TROS , he didn't mean to but he forced JJ Abrams to got off key cause Ruin destroyed all the set ups from TFA.
Thanks to Disney for ruining one of the best things of my childhood.
Vader brought balance by killing most of the Jedi, and maintained order through the Empire.
Snoke wanted to kill Rey because he wanted to be the main clone and rule the galaxy.
Anakin didn’t stop Kylo because Kylo was the balance for Luke’s light side.
Force healing is a valid plot hole
Death Star is a valid plot hole
Force ghosts are a valid plot hole
Sith eternal was stupid lazy writing
I like to think that the sequel trilogy isn't part of the star wars canon. Helps me sleep at night.
I didn't watch The rise of Skywalker, I've considered Electroshock to get rid of Episode VIII and attempted to drown Ep. VII in alcohol.
Lately I rewatched Ep I to VI on my dvd and magically YT algorithm is showing me stuff about SW sequel.
I believe that all that remains of this number of useless movies by Disney, is FX experience, reusing a dead actor image on a living body.
It is already hard to understand the truth from a staged picture, it will be harder to understand the truth on a video when this technology will be advanced. It is the future of Media..
"The star wars sequals adds demonic possesion to star wars." Why, disney?!?
the sequels are filled with stuff where you are like "waow thats cool" in the cinema, but on the drive home, you are like "wait what"
these things include, force healing, reys yellow lightsaber, the sith fleet, the massive resistance fleet suddenly appearing... i could go on
@@hamoudiaboudi4462 theres not really anything wrong with the piss lightsaber, its just a color that is different from the traditional blue/green/red/purple
@@vivilover9409 its not even unique really they’d already had yellow sabers in the past
Exactly this. I was blinded and over excited to be in a cinema watching Star Wars again! Reliving those sweet childhood experiences thinking it’s the best thing ever and then bus ride back thinking heavily about how it all didn’t make sense and was actually garbage haha how embarrassed I feel now!
I did the exact same thing after the Force Awakens. I didn't even go see the other two, and I'm glad I didn't give them my money, because it only got worse. They basically broke the whole story, smashed every theme and plot thread star wars ever had.
I absolutely HATED the ability to heal people, or even resurrect them in episode 9. One of the major parts of Anikan’s downfall was his obsession with learning how to stop people from dying!!! It was a false promised ability that was seemingly impossible.
Then ray and kilo just do it so easily. SMH.
On the other back in the day when the original trilogy was in theaters literally everyone I knew expected Luke to figure out how to grow his hand back to show If Vader hadn't fallen he could have healed himself. Maybe he would have if head writer leigh Brackett ( genuine old school science fantasy writer) for the 2nd film hadn't died before the 3rd one.
Wasnt Force Healing a part of the Star Wars universe for decades tho?
@@wisgarus yeah but not to that level.
You wouldn't grow back fingers and hands.
More like: You heal unhumanly quickly.
Otherwise Palpatine could not have swayed Anakin to the dark side.
@@MrDwarfpitcher Ah gotcha
Kylo: "I will finish what you started"
Ben Solo: Literally finishes what he started and saved someone he loved from dying by sacrificing himself. Fuck you people are dense.
The sequel trilogy wasn't planned out. That was the issue....
It started out OK, but quickly fell apart. Then they ran out of ideas and killed good ole Palps again
@@jlw35cudvm I agree. The force awakens, while some complain about it being too similar to a new hope (which is kinda true), was a good solid introduction. It properly introduced all the new characters, set up some plot points and questions to be answered later, without being too risky. However, things completely fell apart in episode 8. And while episode 9 tried to fix the mistakes of 8, there’s only so much you can do. Tbh, JJ abrams should have directed the entire trilogy instead of jumping back and forth between directors
It was set up alright. Episode 7 set up a lot of storylines that left the fans wanting more. Then Episode 8 came around and said “Ya know all those plotlines you’ve invested yourself in and have been pondering for the last 2 years? Well they aren’t going anywhere!” and then by Episode 9 people didn’t give a shit anymore because Episode 8 made you feel like a chump for caring about where this was going.
The originals weren’t planned out either
Fair point
"Cloning... Secrets only the sith knew."
Except cloning was not a secret only the sith knew. The planet of Kamino made millions of clones _for_ the Jedi order. The Jedi knew about cloning.
Everyone is trying to forget that, though...
There were even other cloning companies who made clones that were less effective and more unstable.
@@BrotherCarver really? That’s pretty cool. Is this a in older books / comics?
Not to mention other species that used cloning lol. How did they get that wrong??
@@Miss.6ixEdits actually iirc in episode 3 some of kenobis clones have different helmets and i think i heard somewhere that its because they are different clones from the jango clones
Luke in the Original Trilogy: I must bring my father back to the light side of the force. I feel there is good in him somewhere
Luke in the new trilogy: I must kill my padawan bacause I had a nightmare LOL.
It’s almost as if events occurred in the interim that changed him
@@DanBlondell if there were, they didn't show the audience.
@@kurtwagner1915 Showing it is a sizable portion of The Last Jedi. They didn’t make it a whole movie because this wasn’t Luke’s trilogy. Episodes 4-6 were Luke’s trilogy.
@@DanBlondell bs. They show him starting a school, having one bad dream and then coming a swipe away from killing his nephew. There was no explanation as to why luke went from being so optimistic he knew he could save vader to willing to kill han and leias son over a vision, much less a large chunk. Bogus. I call bs.
@@kurtwagner1915 It seems strongly implied that it wasn’t one bad dream but was closer to the nightmares of Padme’s death that Palpatine induced in Anakin in the prequels. Luke knows from Vader and from himself how strong the pull to the dark side is in his family. Then he acts on the nightmares, which action ends up creating a new Darth Vader, who once again destroys the Jedi temple - Luke brings about his own absolute worst nightmare. It’s a mirror of the events with Yoda in Empire. It’s fair to say this makes the motivations unclear to a fresh viewer, and therefore as a movie that anyone can pop in and see it falls short, but as a Star Wars movie for Star Wars fans the motivations are clear.
Think about this, imagine Hitler coming back from the dead from some ancient German knowledge, and then he pulls out an entire army out of nowhere that was somehow hidden this entire time, and then the entire WORLD gathers together in only a few hours to fight him off. That is essentially the entire plot of the rise of Skywalker and it makes no sense.
YOU UTTER FOOLS!
This is why I just refuse to believe the sequels are cannon. They just ruin the whole story if you do.
That’s fair
Somehow Hitler returned.
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When I started watching The Mandalorian I never even thought that this was in the same universe as the shitshow that the sequel trilogy was
Because they're not
@@bum6722 what sequels?
@@RickyIsSmelly thats right, Mando and sequels contradict each other
Ha ha, I never even considered it. I think the creators didn't either...
@@patrickmcdonald8513 no its just Kathleen Kennedy sucks eggs and the guy who did the Mandalorian and clone wars knew how to write a story.
Another plot hole:
Episode 8: "We can't be tracked through hyperspace."
Episode 9: "We're bing tracked by TIE fighters through hyperspace skipping."
Actually Empire created a device that needs to be attached to the ship they want to track, the tracking device is also mentioned in the rebels' series
Hyperspace tracking is kind of dumb. Just put a tracker on the ship and you can find it anywhere in the Galaxy
@@m.c.martin yeah like so what if they can't be traced in hyperspace, it's not like they can track them after exiting it
@@m.c.martin they used it in a dumb way but it would be a brilliant tool in tracking and stamping out smuggler rings or to set up ambush’s
@@m.c.martin the tracking signals can only travel at light speed which is why hyperspace breaks it
The biggest thing that always bugged me about the Force Awakens was Rey thinking Luke Skywalker was a myth. I know that seems minor, but it's just so stupid on so many levels I can't get over it. The destruction of the Empire was 30 years ago, that's nowhere near long enough for a mythical figure to form. To make things worse, Rey believed Han Solo was a real person despite thinking Luke wasn't. And before anyone brings up Han not believing in the Force in a New Hope, he never said he didn't believe in the Jedi (he had one on his ship for crying out loud). He doesn't even claim that the Jedi don't have some kind of magic powers. He's talking about the religious aspects of the Force, not the Force itself.
except that exactly what you have with jesus in most everyway
The fact that Luke failed so spectacularly is what bugged me.
It’s like after Return of the Jedi he did nothing
@@shawnschaitel838 who now?
Exactly. Not to mention Jedi were around for twenty five thousand years before the empire. Everyone knows what a fucking Jedi is LMAO
@@shawnschaitel838 Exactly. 30 Years = 2000 Years.
You know his entire point was that there hasn't enough time passed right?
Your compassion is absolutely stupid.
Sequal Trilogy wasn't thought out. Even Daisy Ridley said this in an interview. They didn't know who her parents were until basically the first day of shooting.
So they couldn't leak it.. the writes knew
@@typhlosion4493 haha no the writers didn't know. Theory had a video about this problem. But JJ had to basically undo whatever crap Johnson did to the film's and they kept going back and forth about who Rey's parents should be. This is poor planning. This is a multi billion dollar company, they should have known back when the Force awakens comes out who Rey's parents are and what direction this trilogy should go. Instead they made it up as they went. I'm not oppose to improvising in film, but it doesn't work with Star wars. These movies were made just to get a quick buck. They didn't actually have a plan for the future of star wars, plus the writers don't actually know anything about star wars, the expanded universe or any of the lore. Thankfully now it looks like Disney may have learned from their mistakes. If it weren't for Favreau and Filoni star wars would be dead by now.
@@caelanrileyfriesen3659 whats dumb was they shouldve just left rey to be a random person she didnt need to be related to someone
Yep I heard that they were going to have her be related to Obi-Wan. You would think they could’ve hired the right writers and directors.
@@DaScorpionSting well we have hope on Jon
Because he created the mandalorian for us
My issue is that the sequels had the potential to be great, but due to the lack of planning they failed spectacularly
My opinion is that ultimately Star Wars just doesn't have the scope for this - it's not The Lord of The Rings. Every attempt to make more movies that expand a fun space adventure into something expansive has been a disaster. We can't just blame George Lucas anymore- not for this fact, anyway. It worked when they effectively did a soft reboot or something that was purely a veneer of fan service.
The best way for them to make money out of owning Star Wars is make different stuff 'in the universe'. It can feel 'like Star Wars' without having all the same stuff again- the endless books etc. and The Mandalorian are proof of that. I don't think either is brilliant, but they have the artistic merit the sequels and particularly the prequels just don't have at all.
@@MrLtia1234 I could not have said it better than that
The problem wasn’t not only the didn’t plan the trilogy but they had different directors for it. JJ copied a new hope but it had some mysteries for the next 2. Rian Johnson just undid what episode 7 was setting up to be. KK and Disney have him the right for his own trilogy b4 episode 8 came out. The original director for 9 quit so JJ had to make something out of nothing after Rian Johnson burned it all up but 9 was slightly better but nevertheless a disappointment for me.
To make a trilogy or even a decent one like the original one or the prequels you need the same exact director, more time between the movie for fan feedback, no politics it, a FUCKING PLAN, and consistency through the whole thing. The prequel(which I liked) had some hate had consistency throughout the whole trilogy. Disney didn’t have that and they deserve to lose there rights to Star Wars
@@Edward_Nebiolo "no politics it"
What does this mean?
Also, the problem wasn't the directors, it was the writing. JJ is a perfectly acceptable director (or at least in the context of Star Wars movies.. ahem), but his writing sucks.
And Episode IX was just too crammed.
I remember watching Force Awakens when it first came out, thinking "you know what, this is actually kind of cool. I want to find out more about what we're being shown here" such as who is the random girl on a desert planet who was chosen? What happened to her family she was waiting for? Who is maz, how did she Luke's saber "a story, for another time". Who's Snoke, what's his motives? Who were those samurai looking guys in Rey's vision? I just remember thinking wow they're setting up a lot in the first film to be answered in the next two films. I felt cheated after Last Jedi. Kill Snoke? Seriously? After all the fan theories about possibly being Plageuis? And what they did with Hux, who was this awesome young general in the first film with so much anger, they made him a buffoon. I can go on. But it's clear there was no plan for the trilogy. So many things were reversed, retconned, or just ignored. I still to this day want to know what Rey saw in her vision at Maz castle. We'll never know
That's what most people thought
I agree, there were definitely seeds of something good there.
If I were to try to pinpoint the moment it all went wrong ... I think it would have to be the destruction of Starkiller Base. They could have built a decently cool trilogy around it as the major plot point. Imagine if the rebels failed to destroy the base in The Force Awakens. They could disable it, perhaps, but it would be left as a major threat to the galaxy while remaining the First Order's base of operations. It would be their one and only tool of asserting dominance over the galaxy, but a very effective tool at that. The Last Jedi could then be about the Resistance trying to avoid being hunted down by the First Order, which would involve greater stakes with Starkiller Base looming in the background. End the movie with the base coming back online and destroying another system. The Rise of Skywalker (probably with a different title) would then feature the heroes gathering support to make a desperate push towards the final destruction of the base, and thus of the First Order.
The problem with the First Order is that we don't ever get to know what they want or how they will achieve it. Starkiller Base is a major plot point in the first film, but the First Order seems to be doing just fine without it in the second one. Same goes when they lose the Supremacy, and even Snoke himself. Episode 9 has the heroes and villains in the exact same positions as Episode 7, despite two great Resistance victories in the meantime. It's like nothing of that has had an impact. They had to pull an entirely different villain with an entirely different plan out from nowhere to give the trilogy any sort of meaning, and it was rushed like heck because there's only so much that can be done within one movie.
It's like they took everything The Force Awakens was trying to set up, and just flushed it down the toilet with The Last Jedi, and for nothing. We didn't even get M. Night Shyamalan jumping out to exclaim "what a twist!"
For me I wish Finn would've been force sensitive and have him trained by Rey (Or anyone) in the ways of the Force (A good example of what I'm talking about is in KOTOR 2 where you can train some of your crew how to use the force one of these characters being Atton)
@@Christian-be6eg Apparently, the stuff Finn kept wanting to tell Rey about in RoS was that he was Force sensitive. It never made a lick of sense and never went anywhere, but at least it was mentioned somewhere. Not sure if it makes anything any better, though.
The sequel trilogy IS a plothole.
And an asshole.
which is an insult to plotholes.
It is already lore breaking by the fact ben is Leia's son
Can we just pretend the Sequel Trilogy doesn’t exist?
What sequel trilogy?
@@urru6385 no idea
That's what I do
It was lukes bad dream on yavin 4 jedi Academy ☝ his real apprentice is kyle katarn 👍 kyle " luke are you ok" luke "i had a terrible dream"
YOU can do whatever YOU want, dude. There's no "we" about it, bruh.
The sequels don’t count in my head cannon
They aren't they are hate fiction. There is only one canon. Episode 1 to 6 and the extended universe.
@@willscorner8423 You forgot Clonewars, Solo, Mandalorian and Rogue One. Rebels too, but I think it's animation and explanation style is a bit childish.
Not even on Disney that's why they're focusing on TV shows. And -dont take my word for it- supposedly Lucasfilm wants to recon the sequels.
@@kromegal_xe6594 I only count the episodes with maul as canon
Alright but they are
"Somehow, Palpatine has returned."
Well, that's just lazy writing...
Fax
If into the Sequel Trilogy you go only pain will you find ~ Yoda
"And sacrifice Han and Leia?"
"My speech about failure, and return to puppet form, the only good thing there was."
i will use that line if my girlfriend wants to Watch that crap. Because she hasnt seen it now. Good thing we stopped after Episode 6.
"I can't watch any more..."
Anger. Hate. Suffering.
I refuse to believe that the sequels are canon, and I never will. The story ended in episode 6, *THEN* and *THERE* .
7,8,and 9 are like Dragon ball GT saga.
You can refuse to, but they are canon
@@vesha6274 till it’s not and becomes legends.
@@blitz-625 lol you wish
@@vesha6274 There is no Canon anymore. SWU has gone to bonkers of a scrap of a normality. Only particular parts are now, what is going to matter. Disney's destroyed the fondness and palpability of the SWU as a whole, and they've Sithed Out a NSF - New Fractured Space (...also sometimes with parts of the meatballs on a toothpick).
By far the biggest disappointment of the Sequel Trilogy was Luke Skywalker. No character's return has ever been so eagerly awaited, but then so disappointingly executed. I'm so glad we got to see the Luke that we all wanted to see in The Mandalorian Season 2. Star Wars was always supposed to be a 9-part story, but what has transpired needs to be erased and redone again
'Rogue One' was brilliant.
Exactly! I waited 2 years to see what was gonna happen when Episode 7 finished with Rey handing Luke his/Anakin’s blue lightsaber… and what does he do?
He takes it and throws it over his shoulder.
I waited 2 years… for that?!
Luke, Leia and Han were all mismanaged. Such a missed opportunity. All 3 had meaningless and unnecessary deaths. It was not fitting given their contribution to the franchise.
at least we got to see Luke squeeze out and chug some blue milk! 😆
But that's the thing. Luke isn't supposed to be some powerful and noble hero in the sequels. He turned into just an old hermit who's barely recognisable anymore. Hell, he even tried to kill his own nephew! I think this is great because it shows that nobody is perfect. Even one of the greatest heros in all of media isn't perfect. It's a good subversion of expectations and is far more compelling than watching Luke immediately rejoin the battle and become a noble hero who always does the right thing from the get-go. He needs time to cope with his situation before facing the First Order.
If the Sith could make a whole tank full of force sensitive clone Snokes, why does Palps have a crap body and need to possess Rey?
His spirit's presence in the clone body/bodies was damaging due to all the Dark Side energies he posessed by that time.
Wait, is that TROS or Dark Empire?
Because JJ doesn't know how to create original ideas. He needs to borrow, steal, reboot, and copy things that came before in order to fill a 2 and a half hour movie. His original ideas were used up after he made Star Trek
If only he tried copying ideas from GOOD EU material.
@@ldcg106 if only he would have built upon what Rian Johnson was setting up, or even used Trevorrow's treatment
Only seven? That's very generous.
Although you did say massive plotholes.
what bugs me most is that palpatine kept his mouth shut for 23 years to finally take over....and in the final film palpatine straight up broadcasts his return and gives them JUST enough time to win
Its clear that this isn't Palpatine. Palpatine would have learned from his mistake in Endor.
it was a cop out. shoulda been about darth plagus but bringing emperor back was the easy way out
He even broadcasted it on Fortnite
The fact that they didn’t even bother to have a full fleshed out plan for the trilogy is a huge slap in the face and that fact alone discredits this trilogy entirely. Passion drives Star Wars. George’s passion to bring a space epic to the big screen is what started it all. In 1977, people were blown away by the world building that would inspire movies to come. The audience saw what was happening on screen, but were also left wondering about the fall of Anakin and the clone wars that Ben Kenobi spoke about. I’m convinced Lucas had the whole trilogy planned out from the beginning and even had loose story threads that would go on to become the prequels. The prequels aren’t written very well. The cgi is questionable and the most important part, Anakins turn to the dark side, was rushed and didn’t feel like it was developed enough. But the prequels had, just like the original trilogy, amazing world building. You can still see the passion that was put into those movies. Without the prequels, we wouldn’t have had the tv show clone wars. Both the original and prequel trilogies were filled with expansive lore. In the sequels, it’s nothing NEW. Discount stormtroopers in the form of the first order, and discount Darth Vader in the form of Kylo Ren. If discount Darth Vader is the best character in your trilogy, you’re doing something wrong. There was no passion. No plan. Just the guaranteed dollar signs of a beloved franchise being brought back is what motivated them. Force awakens is passable at best, and knowing where the trilogy would go after it just makes it unwatchable for me. When I decide to sit down, and watch the story from the beginning to where it is now, I don’t watch the sequels. I go prequels, clone wars tv show, rebels tv show, rogue one, original trilogy, and then mandalorian as sort of an epilogue. Hell I even watch solo. But the sequels I have completely omitted from my head canon. Terrible movies where the big wigs just tried to capitalize on the fan base.
You would made a good author
I don't believe that they had the fan base in mind, unless it's the story of the golden goose. They got some money from me but killed all hope of future sales.
Sequels aren't for existing fans.. it's for the next gen... plus just say you're mad a woman was the protagonist lol much simpler
Lucas planned Star Wars in 1973, he didnt finish it till 1976, and then did some edits for the prequels. If yoy ever look at old notes Lucas wrote, youll find stuff that would have shown character backstories and the history of many of the worlds they visit.
@@pondzischeme6430 I’m mad they told a shit story and the protagonist had little development at all. At first she was a nobody. At the end, she’s still a nobody. But with the last name Skywalker. What great storytelling and a worthy use of my time watching. How they made it and what they made goes against what Star Wars is. How about that?
I think a better title would have been Star Wars: The Sequels Stupidly Created
The entirety of the Sequels are trash. I can't name one single positive thing about them, other than good visuals.
@@ericmorneau8819 and good music - John Williams never disappoints. But apart from that, utter garbage
@@ericmorneau8819 Rose's sister. She's probably the best original Sequel character. (The girl that sacrificed herself to destroy the dreadnought.)
The sequels redeemed the prequels by beeing actually bad
@@Fernando-zpt The prequels were good in their own right, the Clone Wars redeemed the prequels by adding more to the story and fleshing out the characters!
Every single tape and bit of the new trilogy should be burned, deleted and annihilated. Completely erased from history.
IMO Star Wars episodes 1-6 are some of the best films in history. 7,8 and 9 are the worst films ever made.
No, we must save it.........to show how NOT to do a star wars trilogy in the future.
People said the same about the prequels just saying
@@jamesthompson9959 Well, they're the same asshats who have been bitching since the early 2000s. The prequels are widely loved, get over it prequel haters.
@Billy O'sullivan People who hate the prequels are dumb people who say sorry before they express their opinion and can't spell the word 'prequel'.
The sequel trilogy might be one of the biggest missed opportunities in cinema history. The incompetence across the board with these films is simply mind boggling. The films should be retconned from canon, or at minimum Lucasfilm should distant themselves a galaxy far far away from them.
I sincerely hope that they completely decanonize these films one day after they're done milking them for everything they've got. They've completely put me off anything Star Wars related that came out since Disney bought the franchise.
They would have done a better job taking Zahn's 'Heir' series and adapting it into VII, VIII & IX. There was a lot of reskinning with both his work and the Cannonized movies, but at least Zahn's stuff made sense.
Shut up.
I hope Disney will make the sequels legends and re write the canon story with good TV shows like The Mandalorian. From a business perspective I think it would make sense for Disney to do that too as it would make fans more invested in the TV shows and would allow for more far fetched stories to take place in Legends.
I'd love to see them canonize some of the incredible legends books ibstead of the sequels. Something like the Thrawn trilogy or NJO
Mando directly leads into the Sequels.
Hell, Luke made the same mistakes as the Old Jedi Order did with Grogu, by forcing him to choose between his attachments and the Jedi way.
They should strip canon down to just the first 3 movies made in the 70s and 80s and go from there.
From a business perspective = From a certain point of view.
Imagine if they rewrote cannon it would be so good (last 3 movies)
George Lucas in a recent interview punked the disney sequels.
Saying it was unecessarily done as the first three and three prequels he did explained the empires beginning and end fully. And that the current ones didnt follow his vision.Too right.😁
To be fair, Lucas' original vision for the sequels included a lot of Midichlorians. Not sure if we would have liked it any better. But hey, at least it would probably have given us some new Star Wars imagery, instead of trying to copy the look of the original trilogy. Say what you want about the Prequels, at least you can tell their unique look at a glance at almost any shot.
The problems Lucas describes don't seem too overwhelming on a conceptual level. There are good ideas to be had about an Imperial remnant seeking to return to power after building their forces in the Unknown Regions over many years. The Expanded Universe even ran with a story quite like that. I think they could have written a quite gripping story with the characters and themes featured in the sequel trilogy. But alas, they seem not to have done any planning whatsoever, and it all failed grossly in the execution.
@@Codraroll why do people hate Midichlorians tho? One of the bigger problems I have wtih Star Wars is how vague Force and all of it's history is. They need to add some logic into it. Midichlorians seems like a decent way to say "There's these creatures in the universe that are Supposed to be good with the Force", having absolutely anyone randomly being able to use the force seems weird
@@poko60 no. Not everything needs an explanation.
@@MikeSandersonVideos in a movie where they've created a whole world they do need to explain everything. If nothing matters than fuck it, add a third group and call them Jedith. They're mutated Jedi and Sith hybrids that are more powerful than everyone ever, why do they exist and why are they so powerful???
"not everything needs an explanation :)"
@@MikeSandersonVideos Star Wars is science fiction. Of course everything needs to be explained. The Force being the only thing in this series that seems like magic is a little weird and out of place. Might as well give it a little science to fit the setting.
Palps never wanted luke to kill him, he knew vader would defend his master like the obedient apprentice he was. He taunted luke to strike him in anger and hate to turn him to the dark side, which he hoped would make Luke many times stronger than vader and eventually kill him. Afterwards, he would take luke in as his apprentice.
He never intended to die or break the rules of two, he just wanted a stronger apprentice
According to this video though, it's a plot hole because Palp should have seen it coming...
Minor precognition is a BIG part of all force user abilities, they all experience the "suprise attack" earlier in premonitions of different kinds, meaning that Pals would have know beforehand if the attack would be blocked. Feels often that people forget that trained force users fight in the "future", scanning for opportunities while trying to not be distracted from the saberfight in the present.
Nice thinking sir!
Spot on.
Palps wanted luke to strike him so he could possess his body. Same reason he wanted rey to strike him.
It feels like the directors of the sequels hasn't watched half of the star wars movies because so many things don't line up it's kind of embarrassing
Rian johnson HAS never watched star wars
And Lucas never ever made a mistake or a plot hole, huh?
@@ScooterinAB that has nothing to do with the original comment
@@ponglenis9273 The biggest problem on the internet is that no one knows how to read. Maybe you should go back and try again, because what I said has everything to do with the original comment.
"hasn't watched half of the star wars movies" Don't forget that this was the intention, until they managed to make a folly all of their own!
Star Wars: One of the biggest franchises ever and only a third of it is any good.
each and every time i watched a sequel film for the first time i didnt actually think they were that bad at first, but each and every time, consistently, i would start to think about it 30 minutes after the film ended, immediately realizing how poorly written, contrived, and downright bad each and every plot of the sequel films are. The sequel trilogy are like transformers movies, you watch them for the flashy visuals and good effects and cool star wars iconography before you realize that they are actually awful movies.
8:20 just one nitpick: Qui Gon wasn't the first, but the first in a long time. When talking to Yoda in Dagobah, he says that he is "one of the few" who learned it.
You can nitpick pretty much this entire video. It's pretty much trash tier inaccurate.
@@ArlanKels Found the sequel loser.
@@DerrickRG sequels don't exist bro just ignore that "fake sequels fans" because for me the sequels were a night mare of Luke skywalker
@@DerrickRG no that’s not it. I think what Arlankels is trying to say is that the video doesn’t really present any plot holes. Everything can be explained through cannon. It might not be explained well but there’s something there.
@Bert Rogan Ok, I'll bite.
7. Either Anakin was the chosen one or the chosen one prophesized has not shown up yet. A prophecy passed down through generations using flowery poetic language leaves much room for interpretation. For instance, Palpatine could be the chosen one who "balances" the force by eliminating the bloated Jedi order. This seems to drop the Jedi into the same "Rule of two" territory as the Sith, which is arguably more balanced than completely eliminating one side. As for the "what good is balance if it doesn't last" BS, ever try to balance anything? Tips pretty easily. Restoring balance is nothing more than reset to zero.
6.What did Palpatine want? Power, duh. As stated in pretty much everything he ever says. He asks Luke to strike him down to turn Luke to the dark side. He could either peace out to his clones or possibly take over Luke's body as he planned to do with Rey while he was struggling with his turn to the dark side. "Taunting Rey to kill him just as he did to Luke" is a self-defeating argument in the guise of an additional point. This shows that his plan has obviously not changed, he was just set back by Vader's betrayal. As for Snoke trying to kill Rey when Palpatine wanted her alive, Sith betray each other constantly so it's pretty much par for the course to go against the boss's orders.
5. Presumably one would have to be in touch with the light side of the force to contact force ghosts. At a guess, it isn't a one way communication and requires input from both parties to work. This explains away all these points as Kylo wouldn't be trying to contact a Jedi ghost (it appears Anakin returned to being a Jedi after betraying Palpatine as evidenced by him only force ghosting in his Jedi form). This is the general problem with invoking magic, be it space magic or otherwise. It is ill defined with tons of wiggle room for whatever a script need. So chalk this all up to "space magic reasons".
4. Force healing has been around in games forever because healing factor always exists in games. Easy to mash the force into the for "space magic reasons". Jedi have extremely varied powers and not all Jedi can use all force powers. It could easily be a rare gift that few possess. We only see 3 people able to perform it, so why would you expect to see it used constantly? As mentioned, only 3 people use it so following universal movie logic you can assume that those are the only 3 people that have been onscreen that even could use it. They did not have to learn this ability from anyone. Who taught Rey to Jedi mind trick in Ep 7? Who taught Qui Gon to force ghost? They can be taught abilities, but most of the time they appear to use abilities as they become aware of them, usually by accident as we are repeatedly shown.
3. It looks like the death star is completely destroyed. Except you are showing the explosion with notable glowing debris (it's the purple bits in case you were wondering). For the scale of the death star these relatively small bits could easily account for the size of debris shown. As for the throne room surviving, doesn't it make sense that the Emperor's man cave would have some extra structural integrity similar to a panic room? You also can't see a shaft and assume it goes straight to the core. I'm sure they would have learned their lesson about shafts open to sensitive areas at this point. Even allowing that they would be dumb enough to port the core directly to the Emperor automatically closing bulkheads exist, so engineering to the rescue.
2. I could be lazy and say "space magic reasons" here as well but since I've shaken out a hand cramp already let's give this a shot. Qui Gon was "one of the few" as mentioned above. Yoda, Obi Wan, Anakin, & Qui Gon are all easy. Qui Gon learned it first and the other 3 have all obviously learned it since they are shown as force ghosts. The rest as far as I can tell were all prequel Jedi. I get to options from this. Option 1, Yoda knew about Qui Gon shortly after Ep 1 and was letting all of the Jedi masters know about it so they could learn. Option 2, since they seem to exist beyond death it is entirely possible that once Qui Gon learned how to communicate with leaving Jedi they were able to teach it to any Jedi who has or will ever die. Either way it is still entirely plausible within the established universe to have all of these force ghost voices pop up.
1. You're asking how a Sith Lord in control of an entire galaxy, who is smart enough to plan an entire galactic civil war in order to seize control was able to get a group of followers? It was most likely a contingency plan already in place when he was in power. Hence why he was so confident in trying to get Luke to strike him down. Especially given how often Sith turn on each other it would only make sense to have this back up if he has the ability to send his life force elsewhere. The Sith Eternal could also have been the native inhabitants. If they weren't capable of space travel yet and a dude shows up firing lighting bolts it would be very easy to ascend to god status on that planet and keep the planet secret so that no one finds your crazy cultist group. Uggh, "the fact that kind of power could only be contained in a space station". Mind citing the scientific journal you found that in? Since the weapon is shown in star destroyers then obviously it is possible. The Empire loves giant imposing weapons. By this logic you could see an AT-AT shooting laser bolts and then whine that it's impossible to fit lasers into a blaster, despite being shown otherwise. The simple explanation? Death star one blows up, they start building death star 2 since they already have working plans and it is large and imposing. My guess is the star destroyer fleet was already being built in secret alongside death star 2. You already have plans for a death star so all of the design team involved is shifted into improving and miniaturizing the planet-destroying laser. Starkiller base could derive from having different design intentions gearing towards making it larger and capable of multiple simultaneous firings. It could have also been built to sate the desire for something large and showy while the destroyer fleet can be dispersed across a larger area and not susceptible to a single attack. It could also be misdirection. Look at this giant show of force you've seen before instead of looking for the real weapon which is the fleet.
TL;DR there are so many possible explanations for all for this if you just think about what you are shown. If you were given every single connecting fiber, engineering choice, and character thought that drives an entire galaxy across 9 movies it would be boring as shit. Movies are meant to be entertaining, go along for the ride and let your imagination fill the gaps as needed.
I remember when we didn’t know what happened after ROTJ and we just read about it in dope books, man I miss those days. Those stories were already written and they were sick, then these sequels came along and just couldn’t have done any worse haha man they messed up so so so so so bad :( it almost makes me wanna cry!!
I think if they made rey turn to the dark side it would of been better
@Bert Rogan disney have no problem buying things they want. They bought star wars afterall...
at least they made Thrawn canon
@@halliegeary8701 the chinese market didn't want a prominent black character so he got shoved to the side. Pity.
@@man_without_fear6518 Except that's kind of the thing. They already bought it. It's just that using the content of any writer that helped build this franchise means that those writers actually get paid a decent amount for their ideas, and disney fucking hates that.
"It Just Works" - Bethesda
Say what you will, but Star Wars has had much better treatment from Disney than some of Bethesda's inherited properties...
Sure, Palatine did come back in legends
But in legends Luke was there to stop him, and so he did, Luke and his family helped defeat the Yuuzhan Vong bringing balance to the galaxy , Luke Skywalker and Jaina Solo defeated Darth Kaedus bringing balance to the galaxy, Luke Skywalker defeated Abeloth(who's power was a direct threat to the entire galaxy) . Anakin's descendants kept the balance that Anakin brought in the first place. In a way Legends respected Anakin, which is why in legends his descendants kept the chosen one's legacy alive for generations. Anakin made all of this possible when he made that one choice to save his son in ROTJ.
That was always one of the worst and most controversial aspect of Legends. It was only fitting that Disney chose to make that the focus of the third episode of the sequels.
@@bchristian85 I just explained why Legends did it right. I would like to know your point of view on why it is controversial, so that I can understand your point of view.
I do think that Legends did a better job of Palpatine's return than the sequels did, but still, the idea of him returning in general was always controversial. To me, there's absolutely no way he should have survived ROTJ.
@@bchristian85 OH, well I see your point there. In legends it is explained that he cloned himself and was able to transfer his consciousness from clone to clone. But yes, the idea of bringing him back does tilt a lot of heads. I agree with you on that
@@bchristian85 I would have loved a trilogy about the yuhzaan vong war, but of course Disney can't do anything cool
I’ll say it again: The sequels ruined Luke, and Grandmaster Luke Skywalker is still the best character in all of Star Wars
@Bill Wurtz 2 does it matter if he's new? at least he's a fan
@Bill Wurtz 2 kk lol chill
@Bill Wurtz 2 Luke was okay but there are other characters better than him he was always too naive for my liking he should've killed his father instead of believing that a man who killed thousands would have a shred of humanity of course in the end it paid off but it could've easily gone the other way. Side note I hate the fact that the dark side of the force is used as something that corrupts you instead of you being able to use it because you are corrupt. When they finally come back to the light I'm supposed to feel like they redeemed themselves or deserve my sympathy. I only watched the first movie but some people wanted kylo to stay alive as if he wouldn't be sentenced to life or executed for genocide
They ruined Han and Leia too. So much character regression. Making Han a smuggler again and wiping out the Jedi and Republic and bringing back the emperor made the OT pointless
@I Liiie lol
Even entire things in earth is better than the sequels too
The entire trilogy makes the Prequels look like The Godfather trilogy. If they kept Lucas around, the overall plot would’ve been A LOT better.
@Shravan Sriram If you like shiny visuals and weak stories, sure.
@Shravan Sriram How? The stories in the Disney trilogy are all over the place and can’t bother to flesh anything out.
@Shravan Sriram that literally makes no sense say what you will about the prequels but at least they have a coherent story. Episode 7 was good but you can clearly see the struggle in direction with 8 & 9.
@Shravan Sriram then I guess that’s your opinion lol I just don’t see how you could pick something that literally has no direction what’s so ever they didn’t even know who reys parents were going to be until they made ep 9 but hey if you enjoy incompetent content then that’s you.
@Shravan Sriram don’t take it so hard man it’s the internet you’re going to have disputes but I don’t know how old you are but you’re pretty mature to come to this conclusion. I will say this though I don’t hate the sequels necessarily it’s just the force awakens set up a lot of cool things that I would have loved to see pulled of correctly but imo they just didn’t deliver but the sequels definitely have a lot of cool moments.
I think a really important lesson Kathleen Kennedy needs to learn from this, since she for some reason wasnt fired, is that quite clearly planning your story is incredibly important. It doesn’t matter if the prequel movies are flawed or people don’t like bits of them because at least they contribute to the overall story of what led up to the events of the Original Trilogy. The Sequels, on the other hand, are highly flawed, feel completely disjointed and like all they really ended up being was a mess of a trilogy caused by two men acting like children and actively destroying, sidelining and retconning things the other one had set up
Every bit of it went according to her plan.
Its totally clear that a story arch was not planned out ahead of time for 7, 8, & 9. It's all over the place. They developed each one in isolation and it shows. 1, 2, & 3 had many flaws, but at least the story arch made sense with the original franchise.
She didn't learn a damn thing. Instead, she claims that people only hate the movies, because female protagonist, and completely closes discussion of all the legitimate criticism being flung at the movies. I have seen over a thousand complaints about the trilogy, and only 1...ONE was about the protag being female... She is ignoring all the criticism, because of 0.1% of the complaints...
KK wasn't fired because she has deep political connections
I still live in the time where the word "sequel" is used for episodes 4-6, and the word prequel for episodes 1-3.
but sequel term can be used only for an art that takes place after an original art
A sequel is something that comes after. New Hope can't be a sequel to itself, nor can the original films be a sequel to themselves. When you buy LucasFilm from Disney, you can decide what remains and what doesn't.
@@ScooterinAB good luck trying to get it from Disney!
@@jayo1212 That is my point. Disney owns this IP. They get to decide how to use it. We as consumers get to decide if we give them our money for it, but we don't get to decide how Disney should use their IP.
The remake of a new hope was hilarious in the theater. When the death star version 3 first appeared the audience literally shared a laugh. That was the point I stopped thinking about leaving because of how bad it was and actually wanted to stay because of how comically bad it was.
"So, it's another death star." "Yeah, but this one's bigger." I had to laugh at that. (Those probably aren't exact quotes; I saw it once, a long time ago.) What surprises me is that so many people didn't realize how bad things were until "The Last Jedi" came out. For my part, I stopped watching before seeing that one.
I remember seeing it in the theater and was in shock what a rip off it was from New Hope.
For me it was when Hux first walked on screen. I was like really? These guys are the antagonist? The people who used to get wedgies or heads dunked into toilets at school? My issue isn't really the actor since I looked him up (and he definitely can pull the unhinged young one trying to prove something off), but his appearance is... we went from Vader to this?
@@GoodwillWright well politics has always been a star wars thing and Huh was basically hitler on steroids (minus the next two movies)
I was creeped out that Palpatine wanted to be inside his granddaughter.
I’m still wondering who he screwed with or force impregnate.
@Tyler Woods
In the novelization it is said that Rey's father is actually a failed clone of Palpatine (failed as in not force sensitive).
@@WhyTho525 that’s the Disney formula. “What an explanation? Go buy our books.” It’s basically DLC for films and a convenience for lazy writers
@@lewiskazinsky7334
Yup
@@WhyTho525 Why would Rey be this powerful though when her father wasn't even force sensitive at all?
I know all the answers
Its Disney
And Disney doesn't care about good story telling anymore or money and bending for china
@@grayski3324 It's sad. I watch classic movies of Disney and they are perfect but modern Disney needs emergency help.
"there are two types of starwars fans, those who like the sequel trilogy, and those who like good movies"-a youtuber whose name I can't remember.
In reality, there is only one type of Star Wars fan, those who like Star Wars movies!
@@jayo1212 urm what.
@@jayo1212 but what about the average clone wars enjoyer
So it sounds like there's only one type of Star Wars fans, because 5/9 are OK at best.
There's 2 truly great star wars movies and the rest range from average to terrible.
If you wanna survive the Star Wars universe fall down a deep hole trust me you’ll live... seemed to work great for maul and palpatine 😂🤦♂️
And Luke... and apparently Kylo. Though of the 4 of them only Luke do we actually follow down to the bottom and see what happened to them and how they got out of it.
immortalfrieza so there’s a chance Han survived hahaha
@@joelturner5957 If there's no body there's no death. That's the way it works in fiction.
immortalfrieza yeh lol
Is the sarlac pit a deep hole? Considering that joke of boba actually came true with the mandalorian showing he did intact escape.
I can't believe he didn't mention the "Holdo Maneuver". I think that dealt a serious blow to Star Wars universe logic.
Disney actually retconed that move now saying it was a 1 in a million chance now
@@rogue9230 it was though, because it had never been done before, needed the Raddus’s experimental shielding and a massive ship to do it, a vital resource that would have to be sacrificed and evacuated. It also needed the enemy to be oblivious as to what was happening. As they were in the last Jedi. Hux tells them not to shoot the ship down because it’s empty and is just trying to distract them. There was ample time for them to shoot it down and the manouver would have been useless. Take all of those things out of the equation and it would have been stopped the minute the ship started to turn towards them.
And like I keep saying, the ingredients have always been there. If you stick your hand into a blender, you’re going to get it ripped to shreds. Now just because nobody in Star Wars has ever tried sticking their hand into a blender, it doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen and the results won’t be exactly the same. What do you expect to happen if you fire a ship at the speed of light into another ship? Like seriously? It’s not Rians fault that nobody tried it before. And it doesn’t break any logic as like I say, what would you expect to happen?
@@obiwankenobi687 when the Rebel fleet attempts to attack the second Death Star, they are forced to abruptly break off when they realize the shield is still up. The implication here is that when a ship runs into the shields, it destroys the ship.
@@gileshambleton2901 well yes it would because the Death Star is the size of a moon and the rebel ships currently didn’t have the experimental shielding of the Raddus
@@obiwankenobi687 So this implies that Holdo just wanted to escape, and out of pure luck she crashed the enemy ship by doing so
Thats even worse xD
A scene with Force Ghost Anakin trying to convert Kylo to the light side would've been epic.
the fans would have made a better sequel trilogy honestly
would contradict his motivations of being a darth vader wannabe
@@LineOfThy well, it could be a decent "wake up call", if we for example get an explanation why he couldn't appeared earlier to him (maybe Snoke or Palp somehow protected Kylo from him), and then Kylo finally sees the man, who he always want to be, his idol... And get hit by "dude, wtf are you even doing? You don't get anything from my story? Being a bad guy is bad, you know? Even I understand that"
@@Dreadnote-pf7of hmmmm.
that's actually pretty good
The greatness of TCW and Mando along with the shittyness of the Sequels have really made me respect the prequels more.
for all the problem's people have with them, they didn't break canon and even expanded on Anakin and Palpatine. Anakin goes from being just a base villain to a tragic hero character, someone who made the wrong choices for the right reasons and lost everything (or, at least, he thought he lost everything). The video goes over how the prequels expanded Palpatine's character better than I can paraphrase it XD. There are some slight plot holes, but nothing big
Don't forget that force ghosts can use the force and interact with objects and that objects can be teleported, and Kylo can fight being somewhere else
it's hard to tell if force teleportation is the thing I hated most in sequels. Too many fails to be sure :(
My ultimate Star Wars Trilogy is Rogue One, A New Hope, and The Empire Strikes Back.
That should be a quadrilogy, including ROTJ
Replace Rogue One with Revenge of the Sith. Now that's the ultimate trilogy.
How come the most controversial Star Wars movies have titles that begin with the letter "r" ?
Because they’re not, you fucking idiot.
My top 3 are 1) Revenge of the Sith 2) Rogue One 3) Return of the Jedi.
(I actually liked episode 7 when it came out it was my #3 at first there was mystery with Rey, a Stormtrooper who defected to the Resistance which sounds like it would be amazing to explore, Luke was potentially back, mystery of Snoke, Kylo Ren I still think is pretty cool just being a Vader fanboy with anger issues, but then 8 and 9 just throw away all the potential with horrible writing and confusing decisions)
The sequels were a giant dumpster fire and should be removed from canon immediately.
I dabbled in screenplay writing in the past and what's so unbelievable about the sequel trilogy is that it completely ignores the most basic of story-writing rules. Weren't the writers, produces, and studio personnel behind the new Star Wars movies professionals? Haven't they written screenplays before? Haven't they studied the craft of writing?
How did it come out so bad?
The problem is that 7 added absolutely nothing and did very little for the characters, 8 tried its hardest to lead the franchise in a new direction and 9 tried to undo it.
i can't remember a specific scene but im pretty sure i remember some sort of healing scene in TCW series but I may be wrong. my biggest issue with episode 9 isn't healing, its the bringing people back to life. the whole saga & reason anakin became vader revolved around this rumoured ability to resurrect people using the force and now ben solo for no good reason has achieved this.
On top of that, it's much more likely that Palpatine was just lying to Anakin about being able to save Padme.
The healing only worked to resurrect them *because* they shared a Dyad. Not to mention Force Healing was a lost technique
The entire trilogy was a mistake
i think its funny that there is still glass in the emperors throne room in the second death star😂
Palpatine: My death.. was greatly exaggerated
disney has become the very thing it swore to destroy -President Obama, 1969
Episode 7 was always supposed to be set up work for the new trilogy, while the overall story was a bit too copy and paste from the first two trilogies, it did introduce a new set of fairly interesting characters, and raised plenty of questions that fans would expect to be answered over the next two films.
Episode 8, said screw your questions, intentionally rendering many of them pointless, or not addressing them at all, while largely going nowhere. They claimed to have taken many risks, but didn't really. They tease many plot twists that never pay off, and waste time with Kanto Bite and pretty much anything involving Finn or Poe.
Episode 9, being hampered by a lack of setup from Episode 8 not really doing anything significant or leaving any direction forward, this film has to do a lot of its own setup. The first half seems rushed as it tried to fit everything that should have been in the last Jedi but wasn't. In the end it is more of a sequel to the aftermath books than it is to the previous two films. With odd pacing, poorly explained plots and no real plan on how it was going to play out.
Exactly. If you build a shoddy foundation (Episode 7) and put crooked walls (Episode 8) atop it, there's nothing you can do with the roof that would save the house. Somebody should have realized after Episode 8 that the story had spun into such a mess they needed more than one movie to fix it, but I guess a bunch of contracts had already stipulated that three movies would be made, so there was no turning back. Episode 9 was doomed from the set-up alone, or rather lack thereof. It could not possibly have been that good.
it probably didnt help that disney decided after episode 7 to completely change the whole directing staff.
episode 8 had different directors and different writers.
Then episode 9 had part off the episode 7 team back and they just tried to fix the things that the episode 8 writers ruined but by attempting so ruined stuff even further.
And don't get me started on them bringing back Palpatine with no reason or explanation behind it 😡
@@Codraroll I feel like if disney kept all of the same writers and directors that worked on episode 7 and had 1 more movie to close all of the plot holes than they would've succeeded with these movies
@@hencefernande721there was an explanation, they just are very bad at communicating it. basically palps had a backup plan for if he died, and activated “operation: cinder” (look that up later, too long to explain here). at the same time, sith cultists on exegol were worshipping palps and they starting cloning him as part of his plan. most were failures, as seen with snoke, however snoke was useful in a way. he helped lead kylo ren to become the heir to the sith. during the entirety of the saga since ROTJ, palpy’s ghost and his sith dudes have been training an army called the sith eternal. they also made ships????(thats the only thing that isnt explained well) anyways yadda yadda yadda ROS happens
TL;DR, Palpy made a backup plan and sith dudes cloned him and made funny army, clone palps is not the real palpatine
I've loved Star Wars my entire life. I'm even one of the few people that occasionaly log into SWTOR to get some good ol' Star Wars feel. But after seeing a hyperdrive being used as a weapon. I shut down the movie (which I allready had a hard time getting myself to pay attention to, due to the... Disney-fication)
I haven't watched any "new" Star Wars (Mandalorian included) after that and I don't plan to do so. The new Star Wars films are for people who don't care if things make sense, and who will watch anything and say "It's just a movie, just enjoy it for what it is" without giving a bother to any shred of chronological order or logic.
Damnit Disney... You know, I was actually really exited when I heard there was gonna be new movies! But this... Dredge, this bile, this blatant cashgrab... Urgh... Can't muffing believe they make great money on these films..
I agree with you entirely that episode 7, 8 and 9 are nauseating bilge - but the Mandalorian and the Book of Boba Fett are genuinely good shows, and I recommend that you give them a try.
Hyperdrives were used previously already I believe
Likewise, I stopped following the franchise after episode 8. It was not just outrageously bad, it was insulting, you clearly feel that the authors of this movie despise you as a viewer.
I know this isn't exactly a big plot hole or anything, but one thing about the sequels that always peeved me off was how Finn was a Storm Trooper that revolted against the First Order and I thought that he might sort of be a way of sympathizing with the Storm Troopers (since they technically did join the First Order against their wills) but then throughout the rest of the trilogy he's just going full blown genocide on every Storm Trooper in sight! And then when he meets those other rogue Storm Troopers he's like "ThErE ArE MoRe oF Us?" WELL MAYBE THERE'D BE MORE ROGUES IF YOU DIDN'T GO AROUND KILLING EVERY STORM TROOPER THAT YOU SAW AND LET THEM RETHINK THEIR ALLIANCES A LITTLE BIT!!
I don’t even consider the sequels cannon at this point honestly
I always assumed from the books that episodes 7-9 would have a new Jedi order battling some threat but then the moaners would say it's just like the prequals.
Anakin brought balance to the force by turning to the dark side. After order 66, there was only 2 jedis and 2 siths. At least that's what I always thought.
Mark Hamills entire acting job is pretty indicative of the tone surrounding these trash films.
And I used to defend them
I'm glad you recovered from the dangerous sickness that is liking the sequels :)
Glad you woke up, too bad u and people like you made the rest of that trash trilogy possible.
@@robertlandin40 go fuck yourself friend.
@@robertlandin40 yikes
Same dude, I remember defending the last jedi, ugh