Sorry this wasn't posted earlier! I recorded this at the end of April but wasn't able to upload it until now because I was out of town and my travel laptop needs to be repaired or replaced. Thank you!
I really enjoyed The Northman. Went to see it twice. During the 2nd showing, I couldn't help but sing a couple of traditional viking songs during the trailers to really set the tone for everyone. I was eventually kicked out of the theater. But not because I was singing, but because I was completely naked. Very interesting day.
One of the best aspects of The Northman is how immersive it is. Like every Eggers film, they do an incredible job at making it feel like the time period and everything about the film made it feel like they just took cameras back in time
@@MrPlaylist1991 tell me if you can see my reply, TH-cam is pretty censor heavy these days. Basically look up one of the cast of the new Vikings TV show. She's a PoC woman who's somehow a jarl in medieval Scandinavia.
@@filthyneutral5801 the story of amleth is actually what inspired hamlet, shakespeare just moved the h to name his character. technically hamlet and the lion king are just spin-offs of the original story of the northman.
What an ignorant comment. The Northman is based in an Icelandic saga that precedes Lion King by about 2000 years. The Lion King is based off of Hamlet.
@@llgogo Hamlet was based on the same story that the Northman is based on, so the similarities between the Lion King and the Northman make sense dumbass.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
Eggers is following Lynch’s directorial history almost exactly so far. Soon he’ll denounce large studios, refuse to give up final cut ever again, and make a critically acclaimed show.
Important to know about The Northman, I believe the budget was nearly doubled by Covid-related delays. It was originally going to cost about 40-50 million and likely would have released in a much more favorable market, but with delays bloating the budget up to nearly 100 million, it became almost impossible for it to make its budget back.
I cannot WAIT for Eggers' "Nosferatu" film, whatever it may end up being called. Between the VVitch, and the Lighthouse, it's clear Eggers can compose a seriously moody, foreboding, and "isolating" feeling picture. There are very few vampire films which are actually creepy and sinister-feeling, and I want Eggers to do for vampires what the VVitch did for witches. I'm particularly hopeful because he isn't afraid of doing period pieces - and the less studio interference, the better.
@@HenryWayat As much as I love Eggers, he probably realizes he can’t top Morbius as the truest of vampire kino. And I think it was cancelled for other reasons as well, which is a shame because I really would have loved to see what he could do with that film.
@@stanley13579 well yeah, but Hollywood may see it differently. From the source I seen there was a bunch of vampire related movies cancelled right after the release of Morbius.
Hearing that The Northman is bombing is really surprising to me actually. As someone who works at a movie theater, nearly every one of our Northman showings are booked up if not pretty full. Hearing it’s production had some meddling involved is a little disheartening considering Eggers is an artful director with a lot of vision hailing from A24, which is known for its weird and out there movies. Hoping his next project won’t have the same treatment, I’ll be watching it either way though. Edit: case and point, when we got Dr Strange, Batman and Morbius were kicked out and we still have at least 3-4 showings of Northman every day lol
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
I wish the movie did a better job establishing the world of it. Only the main characters are andromorphic while the rest are humans, and then there're also non-speaking animals which was pretty jarring and added nothing to the overall story. Not to mention they dumbed down the humans like they all have the IQ of a 5 year old or something, except maybe the chief police lady. I could have looked pass this if it's an old movie that came out 20-30 years ago, but for a modern day family film, I'd expect the creators to put more thought into the world building.
@@ryantheanimator1156 Yeah the universe was really weird. I don't know if the settings are like that in the book it was based on, but I had trouble with getting the movie's universe especially how human characters were reacting to animal characters. Like somehow wearing a mask suddenly makes you non suspicious wolf? I know that part was probably a joke, but there were so many instances like that throughout the movie, even in serious scenes, the logic kinda took me out at few points. Kinda made me appreciate Zootopia more on world building. Still loved the animation and action scenes and also the character designs. I heard that the director said he would love to do a sequel, I just hope they get better script on the sequel.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
@@sori_osori_ Yeah, and don't forget this film literally follow all the predictable plot structure that has been done to death since maybe Pinocchio, like there gotta be the obligatory "You betrayed me, we are not friend anymore!" plot to add "conflict and drama" to the story, lol. I wish animation studio just move past that cliche and come up with new type of conflict or something fresh.
Considering Dreamworks has made a cartoon franchises from their movies before, notably Kung Fu Panda and monster that is HTTYD, a Bad Guys cartoon on Netflix doesn’t sound too bad. I’d watch that over Boss Baby the cartoon series.
As long as Eggers sticks to A24, I'll watch everything and anything he releases. The Northman was highly enjoyable for me and my most anticipated film of this year.
It's funny you mention The Bad Guys having occasional comic book-styled shots. After watching it myself, I found out that it's based on an Australian children's graphic novel series, and the creator, Aaron Blabey, was a producer for the movie and had creative input. This was also a notable success for the screenwriting career of Etan Cohen, who you may know better from such "masterpieces" as Holmes & Watson and Get Hard.
I really enjoyed The Northman, went to see it on launch day in the UK. I haven't seen the directors previous films. It was nice to see a film that I just wasn't expecting. Very enjoyable experience. When walking out the cinema I realised there are lots of small details earlier in the film that explain actions towards the end. I don't want to discuss them here as I don't want to spoil them for people that haven't watched it yet.
Even if the plot for the Bad Guys was simple and predictable, everything else was still extremely well executed. Even if it won't making any best animated films lists anytime soon, there's no doubt it's easily DreamWorks best non-sequel in a decade (since Rise of the Guardians I would say). As for the Northman, it's not everyday you see an indie studio attempt to make a historical epic, but somehow it's been done. The Northman is a great Shakespearean story akin to Hamlet. Focus somehow managed to make an artsy and thoughtful historical epic while prioritizing characters over the scope, which is certainly an achievement. My personal ratings for these two great films: The Bad Guys: 8/10 The Northman: 9/10
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
@@soapbiter36577 That was fine, but not up to the standards of DreamWorks true best like the Prince of Egypt, Shrek, Kung Fu Panda or HtTYD. The Bad Guys is DreamWorks first in a while that, unlike Captain Underpants, isn't just passable but actually up to their classic standards.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
Some clips I’ve seen from The Bad Guys look straight out of Lupin III and The Castle of Cagliostro. From the posing to the car chases. As a big fan of that anime it’s awesome to see a western animated film take inspiration. So as the closest thing to an American adaption for now im definitely gonna check it out for that reason, even if it’s not a mind blowing story.
Yea I think anyone who loved the bad guys and is craving more should absolutely check out Cagliostro or another Lupin III movie for sure! This movie was very strongly and lovingly based on that series. Especially it’s bold animation style, the assorted cast of characters and the theme of criminals with morals or “bad guys” who aren’t actually that bad. Lupin iii originally found a lot of its inspiration from western cartoons, so it’s super cool and poetic the way this goes full circle. A lot of modern anime and Disney / Pixar have been inspired by Lupin III and reference it so I always recommend it to animation lovers for the history and inside jokes. You only need to watch one Lupin movie or a few episodes to be in the loop tbh so it’s not an overwhelming endeavor like One Piece or trying to read marvel comics or something All the Lupin movies are independent stories you can watch in any order and don’t need to have seen any of the show. They’re all pick up and go and a lot of fun. And a lot of them are free to stream online so that’s great Although if you mainly liked the Bad Guys for being furries you’re out of luck lmao the Lupin characters are always human. Maybe check out Miyazaki’s Sherlock Hound instead.
Saw The Bad Guys with my daughter. It was her first movie experience and I thought it was cute. It was the first animated movie I've seen in theaters in probably 15 years.
Seeing The Light House and The North Man in different circumstances definitely affected my first experience with films. With The Light House, I saw it in a tiny mom and pop theater in Arizona that was sold out. The tiny theater screen even made the movie seem much older and grainy. It’s one of my all time favorites. The North Man I saw in a mostly empty Cinemark theater in Denver and it did subvert my expectations. I do love it and feel like it’s more accessible. But, I wanted more out of a couple parts of the movie and wanted other parts to be shorter. 7/10 is definitely fair. But, Eggers is my favorite director now, and I’m excited for his next project.
I feel bad for not choosing to see The Bad Guys this weekend honestly. I hope it does well so big animation studios like DreamWorks will not be afraid to get more experimental with their animation. I heard SpiderVerse was kinda similar and did well, but that had an established popular IP attached to it.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
I would also argue there’s a third reason it exists, that being the directors long running passion for it: The Bad Guys is actually Pierre Perifel’s directing debut (at least in terms of full feature film) and it took a lot of development to get where it was, with Perifel aiming to succeed in getting in finished, not just for his career, but for the sake of all on the team. Prior to this, his other director credit was on the animated short film Billy (a cult fave among the modern cartoon communities I’m in), Regardless and with all that said, I know you didn’t mean to imply that the director didn’t have a passion for this project or anything, I mean you are right that those are the two primary reasons. I just figured I’d comment all this, since I was also surprised that YMS didn’t mention anything about Bad Guys being a directorial debut (not that it’s a bad thing he didn’t mention it, I’ve just heard a lot of other reviews say it)
I really enjoyed the Northman. And as a Scandinavian I really appreciated the settings and costume and set designs. As well as the depiction of northern mythology. But 7/10 seems fair tbh
Northman is probably the most historically accurate Viking movie ever made, it's aesthetics, settings, and characters taken directly from the Icelandic Sagas.
The reason they gave The Northman a big budget was because Vikings and media set in Norse mythology are popular right now. That's also why they didn't make the God of War reboot series set in Egypt as they originally planned.
I thought i was crazy about The Northman feeling just a bit too long for what it was bc everyone else kept touting it as perfect. Its still a great film and I cant help but feel validated after hearing this review
Yeah, I think so too - towards the end it felt like the pacing was running a bit out of steam. I also wish there was a bit more mundaneness (?) incorporated in the movie. All the myth and magic lost a bit of its impact because it didn‘t have enough counterweight.
I agree with it being a bit too long for my taste but I chalked it up to my own eyes getting tired from staring for a screen for too long (that's why I don't particularly enjoy watching movies - lighthouse being the sole exception for the past few years). I would comment that while I find the length to be too long I have no idea where it should be cut.
Heard that Eggers is involved with an upcoming remake of Nosferatu and an adaptation of The Tell Tale Heart and Hansel and Gretel. I have yet to see the VVitch and Lighthouse just yet, but The Northman was amazing to me. Worth the price of admission. I really can't wait to see his trippy artistic style used in those upcoming films; it'll be mind-melting.
Lighthouse is widely considered to be his masterpiece amongst film lovers, but VVitch is a much more "accessible" film, meaning I think more people will like it. Lighthouse is very abstract and surreal.
@@Godstowho Apparently, he's not sure if he'll go through with it or not. And quite honestly, I do hope he still gets to do that film because seeing his style of directing combined with Vampire mythos would be awesome as all Hell.
Northman could be renamed "Saga: The Movie" and it would be just as accurate. The story is a very typical nordic saga or a folklore revenge tale, just search for something like Kullervo (which inspired Tolkien and Shakespeares Hamlet as well) and all the same beats and twists are there, just shuffled differently. In that regard the movie is very authentic to the source material.
Pretty sure Eggers himself said it was based on what Hamlet is based on / another telling of Hamlet. Main character's name is also "Amleth" which is the direct inspiration for Hamlet.
To be fair, the theater times are filled to the brim with Doctor Strange 2 right now, with little to no breathing room for Everything Everywhere and the Northman
The way you talked about The Bad Guys I would hope you'd give it a 6/10 at least. I very much liked it for the same reasons you did but I'd rather give it a 7.5 out of 10 at least because I am of the opinion that execution > ground breakingness and The Bad Guys did what it set out to do well.
There's no doubt that Eggers will go down in history with his movies. I have never seen a film maker besides Tarantino or Bong Joon-Ho that make bangers after bangers
Fun fact about The Bad Guys that I learned is that it’s based on (or has a connection to) a series of comics. So that probably explains the more comic-y style. Also about the Northman, I saw it VERY close to when it opened and there were like,,, 4 show times. So if that’s consistent with other places then that might be why it didn’t do so hot.
Movie theater employee here, unfortunately a lot of theaters (mine included) have a proverbial gun to their heads by Disney and demand we show their movies in as many theaters for as many showtimes as we possibly can fit or else they stop letting us show them. Hence, Morbius took up all the space and Northman was kind of given sloppy seconds. You hate to see it, but what are we supposed to do against the mega corporation that guarantees butts in seats, no matter the quality :C
@@madeofmeats damn that shit sucks. I thought Northman was okay (definitely not a movie for me but good nonetheless) but it is LEAGUES better than Morbius.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
I couldn’t understand what I was getting myself into in the first 15 minutes of The Northman but it slowly grips you as this Norse mythical story, like a perfectly executed adaptation of a story vikings might tell each other around a campfire.
With the humans in the background in The Bad Guys, I really like that choice instead of having it all animals. I’ve seen using animals in stories of discrimination and stuff like that with other animals can be kinda hit or miss but with using humans instead, not only on budget/quicker art style but it makes more sense for humans as humans can be fearful or do harmful things to animals when they’re scared of them. Although I still do wonder how the anthro animals like Mr. Wolf came to be. (Putting my theory on mutations- 😂)
I liked the fight choreography in The Northman, i felt like the entire film kinda gave off the vibes of a stage performance especially the beginning. The fight scenes only helped nail that in, it made me feel like I was being delivered this old fantastical tale rather than witnessing the events which brought up the film. Total gritty realism would have held it back for me. And these were more subtle aesthetic and acting decisions that I personally got from the fulm, nothing too prominent incase you havent seen it, i don't want someone getting the wrong idea about what this movie is
I weirdly saw these two back to back and really enjoyed both Northman I really liked for its style, setting, storytelling, acting and....basically everything. Also I don't know if anyone else thought this but it came off to me as the telling of a myth or legend that was passed down for generations, changing slightly every time extenuating the fantastical elements while still retaining realism Bad Guys didn't surprise me nor did it get constant laughs but I really enjoyed it for how gorgeous and fun it was. Demonstrated that while it's nice for films to be deep and sophisticated and complex much like Northman you don't need that to be good.... also Marc Maron killing it as Snake that helped
YMS: “This movie was pretty good, I enjoyed myself. You should check it out!” Also YMS: “5/10” Has a similar yet opposite feel to “10/10, would never watch again”
the comments are heavliy based on his own opinions and he does his best to be objective when giving scores But you know this is why we have several movie critics and sites you need to check at least a few of them to know if the movie is good or not
5/10 is middle of the road, but ign irrevocably fucked the perception of what review scores actually mean so now everyone thinks a 5 means it’s godawful
@@slashbash1347 5/10 and above is good 7/10 and above are exceptional 9/10 and above are near perfect. You can even say god created it as a gift for the universe 4/10 is below average 3/10 and lower is bad 2/10 and lower is exceptionally bad 1/10 and below is literal torture
I saw both of them as a "not hugely moviegoing person" and I agree with The Bad Guys, but I was definitely one of the "general audience" people for The Northman. While I can appreciate the movie for the artistry, I often found it to be a little boring, and definitely didn't enjoy it as much as some other people. Not to say that it was a bad one on a technical level, but it wasn't for me.
The northman was one of the most beaitufiul epic film ive seen. Its cinematography its great, and the sound design amazing. Felt the same way with some of the fight coreography but overall a great experience
I feel like this also didn’t perform because I don’t think it’s what arthouse movie fans would want out of an Eggers film. I loved Lighthouse and VVitch but when I saw ads for this movie, I didn’t even know it was an eggers movie. Like my brain said “oh another movie sucking the hype fumes still coming off the burning corpse of Game of Thrones” and I had no desire to watch it.
Wikipedia mentioned that the studio made Robert Eggers cut down some of the beginning and the Norse mythology, which were the two aspects that were lacking the most in my opinion. Other that, I really loved it and would be excited to see a director’s cut. Also loved “The Bad Guys!” Such a fun experience.
You thought this film was LIGHT on Norse mythology? I thought it had shitloads of it, bordering almost on too much. Seems like every ten minutes or so there's a spiritual sequence or narration.
@@badjujubes Don’t get me wrong, there’s a ton in this film, and there’s probably more that I’ll pick up on rewatches. But there were only a handful of scenes that dove into those aspects outside of the rituals and traditions (and the story itself) from my recollection. It mostly felt like there was supposed to be more put into the film, but they cut it out (probably due to time and test screenings). I do think this current cut is a complete film by itself that I’ll gladly revisit, but I feel like there’s a 10/10 director’s cut somewhere.
Stars don't bring people to the theater anymore. The Revenant caught the tail end of what is now a bygone era. It also had a really compelling premise. The Northman looks like the kind of violent revenge film we've seen 100 times (but with Vikings!), worth checking out on Redbox, not worth a $40 theater trip.
Maybe it depends on what you like in movies. I’m really glad I saw The Northman in a theater. It is a visually beautiful and immersive film that I don’t think would be the same experience on a television set.
Completely disagree on the casting comment. You could argue the lead is a lesser known name, but Nicole Kidman is pretty big, same with Willem Dafoe. Ethan Hawke was just recently the villain in a Marvel show and Anya Taylor-Joy has been pretty well known to the normies since Queen’s Gambit.
Yeah big names and easily recognizable for movie enthusiasts, just like he said. Thats not the same thing. This type of movies usually go for A list star power. People don't exactly line up to theaters for a Meryl Streep side role either
Besides Nicole Kidman those names mean nothing to general movie goers. I know who they are but I watch a lot of movies. Adam is right when he questioned the casting for box office returns. They needed a household name for a 90 million dollar movie unfortunately.
@@StabStabStabStabby Sounds like this is boiling down to a difference of opinion but do you really not consider Anya Taylor-Joy to be a more household name? And Dafoe and Hawke? These 3 have all been in various Marvel adaptations.
@@ItWasRevealedToMeInMyDreams I don't think most general movie goers know the names of actors like Dafoe or Taylor Joy - they probably see them and recognise them, sure, but in the sort of "Hey that's the actor from movie/show X". And especially if they're playing side characters in a movie like this and barely appear in marketing material, they will have some but not enough of a sales impact imo. I agree that this film probably needed an A list type lead to get more normies to come watch the film. Although I thought Skarsgard was a great choice and did very well, but he's even further from a household name than the aforementioned Dafoe and Taylor Joy. Problem with getting an A lister lead tho is that it would probably double the budget just because of the salary lol
I think it's for the best that Robert Eggers goes back to smaller scale movies. He's so talented at what he does that he feels like way too much of an auteur director for all the bureaucracy that comes with budgets of that size and studio moviemaking. You can tell that he thrives in the more intimate settings because Anya Taylor-Joy returned as a major character and Willem Dafoe, Ralph Ineson and Kate Dickie all appeared in smaller cameos. I really don't see them all being here by accident - they clearly love working with the man. Hope the next thing we see from him is another $5M-$20M arthouse film where he can be left to do what he does best.
That Rus’ Village scene was incredible. That was one of the most viscerally brutal scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie. As someone who is a history buff and fascinated with ancient warfare I’ve read a lot about the sacking and razing of villages and this the first time I’ve ever seen in a movie a palpably realistic and truly grim and brutal picture of what it meant for a village or city to be sacked and razed by savage barbarians like the Norse Vikings. Truly epic film making
A friend of mine pointed out how “The Bad Guys” was a movie for furries with a praise kink about half a dozen times before I said they’re not allowed to use Tumblr or Reddit until after the movie is out of theaters.
As a person who works at a library, I feel that they were banking on kids who are obsessed with the book series (they are very popular. They get read so much we've had to replace copies)
Really looking forward to the northman, there are way too many shlocky melodramatic Viking shows and movies and it looks like it'll be actually atmospheric, authentic, and interesting.
0:19 - 0:40 The reason for this is because all the non-main characters being human ties into the bad guys origin story. All the human characters were afraid of the bad guys before they became the bad guys since they’re scary animals to humans (wolf, snake, tarantula, shark and piranha) so they fought to that if they’re just gonna be afraid of them they might as well be the bad guys, this concept wouldn’t really function is every background character weren’t human
It would work if most of the non-main characters were non-scary animals. It also makes things feel inconsistent in world building to not have any other anthropomorphic animal apart from the narratively important ones.
There was some obvious padding of runtime in Northman. Kudos to the filmmakers that are able to make the middle of their film engaging, like Doctor Sleep
I used to run a Reading Club at an elementary school. Kids basically come in, read a book (we had our own library), take a test on it, earn points and prizes. 'Bad Guys' was one of the most popular books. I don't even know how many times I've read it (sometimes kids weren't too great at reading on their own so would sit down and read to them). Can't wait to see it.
Anybody looking for a book VERY similar to the north men check out the shadow of the gods. A bit more magic but a revenge tale none the less amongst vikings
I don't understand the worldbuilding complaints against The Bad Guys. Do people complain about the worldbuilding of Looney Tunes? Regular Show? The Muppets? The answer as to why, it's that they wanted to use demonised animals as a metaphor for demonised or criminalized demographics but didn't want into the Zootopia problem of accidentally reinforcing bioessentislism in trying to explain why in the worldbuilfing. Honestly? fair call.
Yes! I agree with this. There’s been a few other people in the comments saying something similiar (essentially agreeing with you that it has metaphorical meaning, Although your comment really does an eloquent job at breaking down that metaphorical meaning. Sadly, most of the comments making this point are not getting many likes, and getting buried. The only comments that are getting a decent amount of likes are saying things like “The Bad Guys is poorly written / doesn’t make sense, but at least the animation is decent”, which is a sentiment I am very disappointed to see happening when I loved the film, myself. But eh, I guess that’s just natural to happen, this isn’t exactly the best place to find celebration of the film
Those other products are different because they are more consistent. The Bad Guys literally only has the main characters as animals, but no one else. If only the important characters are one thing, it makes things feel off and obviously for the plot. Also, the discrimination doesn't work because they are people, too. Humans only fear or hate animals because they aren't like humans. This also makes the message feel more cheesy and generic. This film just isn't that great.
I wouldnt say that the lack of star power screwed the Northman at the box office. Rather it was how bad the marketing for it was. I remember the first time I heard about it was at least a month beforehand when watching the preview trailers in the cinema. Usually movies of this calibre need more time to get exposure and build some hype around it.
Yeah, a lot of movies coming out have had little advertisement. Same issue happened with Last Duel, I hadn't even heard about it until news came out that it bombed at the box office.
For context: The Bad Guys is based on a children's book series. I have no idea if that influences any story or character design critiques being borrowed from the books as I never read them, but good to know that it's an adaptation and not a totally original property.
Why is it good that it's an adaptation and not a totally original property? Totally original properties are much more interesting and haven't been a big thing in cinema for a long time.
For me, The Northman was just as good as The Lighthouse. Obviously the scratch different itches and have different goals, and I'd say The Northman succeeded in achieving its goals with flying colors. I was really pulled into how the story felt like both a Viking epic and Shakespearean tragedy, fitting considering its origin in the Amleth tale. As some who really enjoys ancient legends and Shakespeare, and also badass Viking stuff, I was doomed to be a sucker for the movie, even if it wasn't as good as it was, but thankfully Robert Eggers delivered another fantastic movie. I hope the film can get more recognized once it goes to streaming platforms, because even if it bombs at the box office, it deserves to get more recognition than it has received. Though that's true for all of Eggers's movies really.
Tbh the Northman was a letdown for me, I really enjoyed The VVitch and The Lighthouse, but the Northman felt less like an arthouse film and more like a standard Hollywood movie. I did enjoy the cinematography and acting but on the whole it just felt too safe. Not surprised to hear there was studio meddling though, now I wonder what the film originally would have been like
Sorry this wasn't posted earlier! I recorded this at the end of April but wasn't able to upload it until now because I was out of town and my travel laptop needs to be repaired or replaced. Thank you!
Oooo. I wonder why... 🤔
HELOOOO
Been wondering how "bad guys" was going to be
Huh I thought the animation would've have been interesting on the first one
Bad Guys or Zootopia?
Loved the Northman. Very brave artistic choice to have bjork play herself.
Riddle me this cub
I 100% disagree. Awful movie
@@yehiahisham8425 you're right, minions is better
I really enjoyed The Northman. Went to see it twice. During the 2nd showing, I couldn't help but sing a couple of traditional viking songs during the trailers to really set the tone for everyone. I was eventually kicked out of the theater. But not because I was singing, but because I was completely naked. Very interesting day.
Based. ?
@@l.e.b.3541 based.
@@moldman5694 based.
@@MrAlien23 based.
@@thepissedoffyetrationalrev2261 Based.
One of the best aspects of The Northman is how immersive it is. Like every Eggers film, they do an incredible job at making it feel like the time period and everything about the film made it feel like they just took cameras back in time
My mind has been corrupted by Adam's gaming channel, I keep hearing him say 'bacon and eggers' whenever I read this comment.
The casting is one of the main reasons. No strong wahmen of color in medieval Europe like other current year historical shows.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Come on dude, don't be that guy.
@@MrPlaylist1991 they literally did that in the new Vikings show. Replaced a real historical white male with a female POC.
@@MrPlaylist1991 tell me if you can see my reply, TH-cam is pretty censor heavy these days. Basically look up one of the cast of the new Vikings TV show. She's a PoC woman who's somehow a jarl in medieval Scandinavia.
The Northman is officially the #1 best live action remake of the Lion King in the world.
lmao, true
@Lighthouse in the Storm the northman is a version of hamlet, just like lion King
@@filthyneutral5801 the story of amleth is actually what inspired hamlet, shakespeare just moved the h to name his character. technically hamlet and the lion king are just spin-offs of the original story of the northman.
What an ignorant comment. The Northman is based in an Icelandic saga that precedes Lion King by about 2000 years.
The Lion King is based off of Hamlet.
@@llgogo Hamlet was based on the same story that the Northman is based on, so the similarities between the Lion King and the Northman make sense dumbass.
And thus the search for an animated furry movie to get a high rating from Adum continues...
He gave Fantastic Mr. Fox a 10
Not a movie, but he gave season 1 of Beastars a 7/10
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
Yeah, I wonder what he thinks of The Lion King and its remake 🤔
Judging by his own statements, he would give the 1994 lion king a 10 and the 2019 lion king a 1
Eggers is following Lynch’s directorial history almost exactly so far. Soon he’ll denounce large studios, refuse to give up final cut ever again, and make a critically acclaimed show.
Hopefully can't wait to see what he brings next
@@slyaspie4934 he said his next project is gonna be another English/folk horror film
@@AcediaPitcures I heard he's remaking Nosferatu.
@@kamikazoo6599 That would be amazing. The Murnau original and Herzog remake are both fantastic as well.
Important to know about The Northman, I believe the budget was nearly doubled by Covid-related delays. It was originally going to cost about 40-50 million and likely would have released in a much more favorable market, but with delays bloating the budget up to nearly 100 million, it became almost impossible for it to make its budget back.
rlly good to know actually, thank u for that info. srsly!
I cannot WAIT for Eggers' "Nosferatu" film, whatever it may end up being called. Between the VVitch, and the Lighthouse, it's clear Eggers can compose a seriously moody, foreboding, and "isolating" feeling picture. There are very few vampire films which are actually creepy and sinister-feeling, and I want Eggers to do for vampires what the VVitch did for witches. I'm particularly hopeful because he isn't afraid of doing period pieces - and the less studio interference, the better.
Wasn't Nosferatu cancelled in the light of Morbius getting critically panned?
@@HenryWayat As much as I love Eggers, he probably realizes he can’t top Morbius as the truest of vampire kino. And I think it was cancelled for other reasons as well, which is a shame because I really would have loved to see what he could do with that film.
@@HenryWayat I wouldn't consider Morbius a vampire film, any more than I'd consider Man of Steel to be a superhero movie. lol
@@stanley13579 well yeah, but Hollywood may see it differently. From the source I seen there was a bunch of vampire related movies cancelled right after the release of Morbius.
Hasn’t it been cancelled?
Hearing that The Northman is bombing is really surprising to me actually. As someone who works at a movie theater, nearly every one of our Northman showings are booked up if not pretty full.
Hearing it’s production had some meddling involved is a little disheartening considering Eggers is an artful director with a lot of vision hailing from A24, which is known for its weird and out there movies. Hoping his next project won’t have the same treatment, I’ll be watching it either way though.
Edit: case and point, when we got Dr Strange, Batman and Morbius were kicked out and we still have at least 3-4 showings of Northman every day lol
Even if it bombs in the theater, a high quality movie like this will definitely make its budget back in the home release.
Honestly for a movie like that it isn't doing bad it just has an insanely high budget it would have to make 300 million to make a profit
I saw a clip. Trust me, it’s not surprising at all.
I also work at a movie theater but never really had anyone see Northman. Especially not in large crowds. About 10-15 people at the most on weekends.
Where is the theater? I’m curious about what place is this invested in The Northman lol
I think that’s a fair score for Bad Guys, that animation slapped.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
@@drypenny3561 ?
@@drypenny3561 Thanks Jackson good job
@@kastang1444 idk man is this. Like a. Furry thing from him
@@drypenny3561 forgot to take your pills again?
Of course YOU saw the bad guys lmfao
Well y'know
He does this for a living of course he would
@@tobin2.0 he's also a massive furry
@@cartoondog800 time to unsubscribe
@@tobin2.0 what is this, 2009? Nobody cares anymore.
Honestly the animation was the greastest part of "The Bad Guys" and I kinda want it to be a series just so we can see more of these type of animation
I wish the movie did a better job establishing the world of it. Only the main characters are andromorphic while the rest are humans, and then there're also non-speaking animals which was pretty jarring and added nothing to the overall story. Not to mention they dumbed down the humans like they all have the IQ of a 5 year old or something, except maybe the chief police lady.
I could have looked pass this if it's an old movie that came out 20-30 years ago, but for a modern day family film, I'd expect the creators to put more thought into the world building.
@@ryantheanimator1156 Yeah the universe was really weird. I don't know if the settings are like that in the book it was based on, but I had trouble with getting the movie's universe especially how human characters were reacting to animal characters. Like somehow wearing a mask suddenly makes you non suspicious wolf? I know that part was probably a joke, but there were so many instances like that throughout the movie, even in serious scenes, the logic kinda took me out at few points. Kinda made me appreciate Zootopia more on world building.
Still loved the animation and action scenes and also the character designs. I heard that the director said he would love to do a sequel, I just hope they get better script on the sequel.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
@@sori_osori_ Yeah, and don't forget this film literally follow all the predictable plot structure that has been done to death since maybe Pinocchio, like there gotta be the obligatory "You betrayed me, we are not friend anymore!" plot to add "conflict and drama" to the story, lol. I wish animation studio just move past that cliche and come up with new type of conflict or something fresh.
Considering Dreamworks has made a cartoon franchises from their movies before, notably Kung Fu Panda and monster that is HTTYD, a Bad Guys cartoon on Netflix doesn’t sound too bad. I’d watch that over Boss Baby the cartoon series.
As long as Eggers sticks to A24, I'll watch everything and anything he releases. The Northman was highly enjoyable for me and my most anticipated film of this year.
It's funny you mention The Bad Guys having occasional comic book-styled shots. After watching it myself, I found out that it's based on an Australian children's graphic novel series, and the creator, Aaron Blabey, was a producer for the movie and had creative input.
This was also a notable success for the screenwriting career of Etan Cohen, who you may know better from such "masterpieces" as Holmes & Watson and Get Hard.
Everyone is praising the animation of The Bad Guys, but I feel like people are really sleeping on the kick ass soundtrack for the film.
I know, right? I wanna buy the album of that OST!
I really enjoyed The Northman, went to see it on launch day in the UK.
I haven't seen the directors previous films. It was nice to see a film that I just wasn't expecting. Very enjoyable experience.
When walking out the cinema I realised there are lots of small details earlier in the film that explain actions towards the end.
I don't want to discuss them here as I don't want to spoil them for people that haven't watched it yet.
Both The Witch and The Lighthouse are dark but gripping films. They stay with you long after watching.
So far, I've loved all of Eggers's films
It’s way too weird for general audiences
@@smaakjeks this. Northman is the worst of gis movie
@@pridas5202 what’s even weird about it? it’s a straightforward revenge story. lion king with blood.
Even if the plot for the Bad Guys was simple and predictable, everything else was still extremely well executed. Even if it won't making any best animated films lists anytime soon, there's no doubt it's easily DreamWorks best non-sequel in a decade (since Rise of the Guardians I would say). As for the Northman, it's not everyday you see an indie studio attempt to make a historical epic, but somehow it's been done. The Northman is a great Shakespearean story akin to Hamlet. Focus somehow managed to make an artsy and thoughtful historical epic while prioritizing characters over the scope, which is certainly an achievement. My personal ratings for these two great films:
The Bad Guys: 8/10
The Northman: 9/10
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
@@drypenny3561 I can't really comment on that because I don't know what deltarun is, but I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I liked captain underpants
@@soapbiter36577 That was fine, but not up to the standards of DreamWorks true best like the Prince of Egypt, Shrek, Kung Fu Panda or HtTYD. The Bad Guys is DreamWorks first in a while that, unlike Captain Underpants, isn't just passable but actually up to their classic standards.
@@drypenny3561 You just going to copy/paste on every comment about the bad guys?
The animation of tbg really lent itself well to the fight scenes I thought, overall it was excellent
That fox from The Bad Guys makes me understand furries a little more NGL
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
Some clips I’ve seen from The Bad Guys look straight out of Lupin III and The Castle of Cagliostro. From the posing to the car chases. As a big fan of that anime it’s awesome to see a western animated film take inspiration. So as the closest thing to an American adaption for now im definitely gonna check it out for that reason, even if it’s not a mind blowing story.
Castle of cagliostro is a huge influence for many animators and directors
Yea I think anyone who loved the bad guys and is craving more should absolutely check out Cagliostro or another Lupin III movie for sure! This movie was very strongly and lovingly based on that series. Especially it’s bold animation style, the assorted cast of characters and the theme of criminals with morals or “bad guys” who aren’t actually that bad. Lupin iii originally found a lot of its inspiration from western cartoons, so it’s super cool and poetic the way this goes full circle.
A lot of modern anime and Disney / Pixar have been inspired by Lupin III and reference it so I always recommend it to animation lovers for the history and inside jokes. You only need to watch one Lupin movie or a few episodes to be in the loop tbh so it’s not an overwhelming endeavor like One Piece or trying to read marvel comics or something
All the Lupin movies are independent stories you can watch in any order and don’t need to have seen any of the show. They’re all pick up and go and a lot of fun. And a lot of them are free to stream online so that’s great
Although if you mainly liked the Bad Guys for being furries you’re out of luck lmao the Lupin characters are always human. Maybe check out Miyazaki’s Sherlock Hound instead.
Glad to see Adum back in the swing of things
everytime furries related going on in a movie he's swinging alright
Saw The Bad Guys with my daughter. It was her first movie experience and I thought it was cute. It was the first animated movie I've seen in theaters in probably 15 years.
It was a great experience for me.
@@patriciajin6206 Yeah it was a lot of fun.
Seeing The Light House and The North Man in different circumstances definitely affected my first experience with films.
With The Light House, I saw it in a tiny mom and pop theater in Arizona that was sold out. The tiny theater screen even made the movie seem much older and grainy. It’s one of my all time favorites.
The North Man I saw in a mostly empty Cinemark theater in Denver and it did subvert my expectations. I do love it and feel like it’s more accessible. But, I wanted more out of a couple parts of the movie and wanted other parts to be shorter. 7/10 is definitely fair.
But, Eggers is my favorite director now, and I’m excited for his next project.
I feel bad for not choosing to see The Bad Guys this weekend honestly. I hope it does well so big animation studios like DreamWorks will not be afraid to get more experimental with their animation.
I heard SpiderVerse was kinda similar and did well, but that had an established popular IP attached to it.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
I'd say Bad Guys is something we haven't had in a long time a good kids movie
Adam, The Bad Guys exists for 2 reasons. Keep children entertained and merch for furries
As a parent I took my kids to watch it and they had a blast so it work great for what it is. Very basic but fun movie
@@tallestgoose1570 As a furry I watched it and enjoyed it. The film was a bit predictable at times, but I had fun overall
Well it IS based on a children book series.
@@Mate397 Ye
I would also argue there’s a third reason it exists, that being the directors long running passion for it: The Bad Guys is actually Pierre Perifel’s directing debut (at least in terms of full feature film) and it took a lot of development to get where it was, with Perifel aiming to succeed in getting in finished, not just for his career, but for the sake of all on the team. Prior to this, his other director credit was on the animated short film Billy (a cult fave among the modern cartoon communities I’m in),
Regardless and with all that said, I know you didn’t mean to imply that the director didn’t have a passion for this project or anything, I mean you are right that those are the two primary reasons. I just figured I’d comment all this, since I was also surprised that YMS didn’t mention anything about Bad Guys being a directorial debut (not that it’s a bad thing he didn’t mention it, I’ve just heard a lot of other reviews say it)
I really enjoyed the Northman.
And as a Scandinavian I really appreciated the settings and costume and set designs.
As well as the depiction of northern mythology.
But 7/10 seems fair tbh
Northman is probably the most historically accurate Viking movie ever made, it's aesthetics, settings, and characters taken directly from the Icelandic Sagas.
Northman is incredible. Seen it twice and both times it just draws you in completely. Eggers is one of my favourite directors at this point.
Adam, your videos are amazing. I really enjoy every video you make and they have definitely gotten me to think more about the movies I watch. Thanks!
The reason they gave The Northman a big budget was because Vikings and media set in Norse mythology are popular right now. That's also why they didn't make the God of War reboot series set in Egypt as they originally planned.
Of course YMS decided to review The Bad Guys.
I thought i was crazy about The Northman feeling just a bit too long for what it was bc everyone else kept touting it as perfect. Its still a great film and I cant help but feel validated after hearing this review
Yeah, I think so too - towards the end it felt like the pacing was running a bit out of steam.
I also wish there was a bit more mundaneness (?) incorporated in the movie. All the myth and magic lost a bit of its impact because it didn‘t have enough counterweight.
I agree with it being a bit too long for my taste but I chalked it up to my own eyes getting tired from staring for a screen for too long (that's why I don't particularly enjoy watching movies - lighthouse being the sole exception for the past few years).
I would comment that while I find the length to be too long I have no idea where it should be cut.
When the plot is this simple it doesn't justify the runtime.
@@kingsleycy3450lol baby brain
@@Lauli55 I loved the magic in the movie. it was typical of Viking sagas
"The Northman: like the lion King, but with Vikings." Me, just now
10/10
Heard that Eggers is involved with an upcoming remake of Nosferatu and an adaptation of The Tell Tale Heart and Hansel and Gretel. I have yet to see the VVitch and Lighthouse just yet, but The Northman was amazing to me. Worth the price of admission. I really can't wait to see his trippy artistic style used in those upcoming films; it'll be mind-melting.
Very stoked for Nosferatu too but you NEED to check out The Witch and The Lighthouse ASAP
Lighthouse is widely considered to be his masterpiece amongst film lovers, but VVitch is a much more "accessible" film, meaning I think more people will like it. Lighthouse is very abstract and surreal.
IDK we already got an experimental Hansel and Gretel horror film 2 years ago. Would it still be considered copying another studio?
The Tell Tale Heart and Hansel and Gretel adaptations were actually early short films of his, I think you can find Hansel and Gretel online
@@Godstowho Apparently, he's not sure if he'll go through with it or not. And quite honestly, I do hope he still gets to do that film because seeing his style of directing combined with Vampire mythos would be awesome as all Hell.
Northman could be renamed "Saga: The Movie" and it would be just as accurate. The story is a very typical nordic saga or a folklore revenge tale, just search for something like Kullervo (which inspired Tolkien and Shakespeares Hamlet as well) and all the same beats and twists are there, just shuffled differently. In that regard the movie is very authentic to the source material.
Pretty sure Eggers himself said it was based on what Hamlet is based on / another telling of Hamlet. Main character's name is also "Amleth" which is the direct inspiration for Hamlet.
@@cxm0d And Hamlet was based on sagas so there we go.
To be fair, the theater times are filled to the brim with Doctor Strange 2 right now, with little to no breathing room for Everything Everywhere and the Northman
Northman is one of those movies everyone says cinema needs more of, but no one sees.
Agreed.
Robert Eggers is the best director working today, he is a genius
How can this be true when his movie is not even the best film this month?
He's great but lets not get carried away
How to say you haven't seen "Ambulance"
@@YearsOfLeadPoisoning lol
@@joysexual his first 3 movies are literal masterpieces
The way you talked about The Bad Guys I would hope you'd give it a 6/10 at least. I very much liked it for the same reasons you did but I'd rather give it a 7.5 out of 10 at least because I am of the opinion that execution > ground breakingness and The Bad Guys did what it set out to do well.
There's no doubt that Eggers will go down in history with his movies. I have never seen a film maker besides Tarantino or Bong Joon-Ho that make bangers after bangers
Fun fact about The Bad Guys that I learned is that it’s based on (or has a connection to) a series of comics. So that probably explains the more comic-y style.
Also about the Northman, I saw it VERY close to when it opened and there were like,,, 4 show times. So if that’s consistent with other places then that might be why it didn’t do so hot.
Movie theater employee here, unfortunately a lot of theaters (mine included) have a proverbial gun to their heads by Disney and demand we show their movies in as many theaters for as many showtimes as we possibly can fit or else they stop letting us show them. Hence, Morbius took up all the space and Northman was kind of given sloppy seconds. You hate to see it, but what are we supposed to do against the mega corporation that guarantees butts in seats, no matter the quality :C
@@madeofmeats damn that shit sucks. I thought Northman was okay (definitely not a movie for me but good nonetheless) but it is LEAGUES better than Morbius.
To be honest, diane foxington from the bad guys is like spamton from deltarune chapter 2 because they both wear glasses and they both make deals and i think i remember the fox girl say now's your chance to redeem yourselves like how spamton says now's your chance to be a big shot. When wolf talked to the fox girl on the stairs it reminded me of the original spamton fight in deltarune and when the fox girl was reavealed to be the crimson paw, it reminded me of spamton neo. Instead of rescuing wolf and the gang, i was expecting the fox girl to fight them instead and have wolf's soul turn yellow and be able to shoot things and wolf and the gang will be in minecarts and the fox girl wants to take wolf's body as a vessal and says he doesn't need his freinds. Wolf and the gang can either beat the fox girl up or break her strings and then they get an item and a shadow crystal and also marmalade is also kinda like queen since they're both selfish. Could someone please do a YTPMV of now's your chance to be a big shot where the fox girl sings now's your chance to be a big shot and also with sounds from the movie as the melody. Since matpat did a ness is sans theory, i could also see him do a diane foxington is spamton theory. So at the end of the day, the fox girl from the bad guys is like a female version of spamton from deltarune.
I couldn’t understand what I was getting myself into in the first 15 minutes of The Northman but it slowly grips you as this Norse mythical story, like a perfectly executed adaptation of a story vikings might tell each other around a campfire.
With the humans in the background in The Bad Guys, I really like that choice instead of having it all animals.
I’ve seen using animals in stories of discrimination and stuff like that with other animals can be kinda hit or miss but with using humans instead, not only on budget/quicker art style but it makes more sense for humans as humans can be fearful or do harmful things to animals when they’re scared of them.
Although I still do wonder how the anthro animals like Mr. Wolf came to be. (Putting my theory on mutations- 😂)
I liked the fight choreography in The Northman, i felt like the entire film kinda gave off the vibes of a stage performance especially the beginning. The fight scenes only helped nail that in, it made me feel like I was being delivered this old fantastical tale rather than witnessing the events which brought up the film. Total gritty realism would have held it back for me. And these were more subtle aesthetic and acting decisions that I personally got from the fulm, nothing too prominent incase you havent seen it, i don't want someone getting the wrong idea about what this movie is
I appreciate one of your Furry friends taking you to go see The Bad Guys XD
adam is a furry
You have it the other way around.
Adam would go there himself
Don't worry
@@MasterSubLink you can be a furry AND have furry friends. 2 things are simultaneously possible
I weirdly saw these two back to back and really enjoyed both
Northman I really liked for its style, setting, storytelling, acting and....basically everything. Also I don't know if anyone else thought this but it came off to me as the telling of a myth or legend that was passed down for generations, changing slightly every time extenuating the fantastical elements while still retaining realism
Bad Guys didn't surprise me nor did it get constant laughs but I really enjoyed it for how gorgeous and fun it was. Demonstrated that while it's nice for films to be deep and sophisticated and complex much like Northman you don't need that to be good.... also Marc Maron killing it as Snake that helped
I am so fucking thankful that the Spider-Verse style is catching on. Looks way better than what Disney's doing.
My guy is still using epic face in 2022 you are an absolute Legend
The Bad Guys was just a nice film, nothing crazy good but it was a nice respite from current events and final exams.
My dyslexia mixed Quickie and Northman into "Normies"
YMS: “This movie was pretty good, I enjoyed myself. You should check it out!”
Also YMS: “5/10”
Has a similar yet opposite feel to “10/10, would never watch again”
As YMS said, he's not the American education system; 50% is not a failure.
the comments are heavliy based on his own opinions and he does his best to be objective when giving scores
But you know this is why we have several movie critics and sites you need to check at least a few of them to know if the movie is good or not
5/10 is middle of the road, but ign irrevocably fucked the perception of what review scores actually mean so now everyone thinks a 5 means it’s godawful
@@slashbash1347 5/10 and above is good
7/10 and above are exceptional
9/10 and above are near perfect. You can even say god created it as a gift for the universe
4/10 is below average
3/10 and lower is bad
2/10 and lower is exceptionally bad
1/10 and below is literal torture
4:19 is that a Viking with braces???
I can name another movie where a snake bends and acts like his body behaves like a human arm, it's called Disney's Robin Hood
The fact the Northman doesn't include a list actors has made me want to see it tbh
I saw both of them as a "not hugely moviegoing person" and I agree with The Bad Guys, but I was definitely one of the "general audience" people for The Northman. While I can appreciate the movie for the artistry, I often found it to be a little boring, and definitely didn't enjoy it as much as some other people. Not to say that it was a bad one on a technical level, but it wasn't for me.
I'm sure Adum has no other reasons to like a movie where Sam Rockwell plays a charming anthropomorphic wolf, none at all
The northman was one of the most beaitufiul epic film ive seen. Its cinematography its great, and the sound design amazing. Felt the same way with some of the fight coreography but overall a great experience
I feel like this also didn’t perform because I don’t think it’s what arthouse movie fans would want out of an Eggers film. I loved Lighthouse and VVitch but when I saw ads for this movie, I didn’t even know it was an eggers movie. Like my brain said “oh another movie sucking the hype fumes still coming off the burning corpse of Game of Thrones” and I had no desire to watch it.
Adam's scores are like the opposite of IGN, were a 7/10 is high praise
Wikipedia mentioned that the studio made Robert Eggers cut down some of the beginning and the Norse mythology, which were the two aspects that were lacking the most in my opinion. Other that, I really loved it and would be excited to see a director’s cut.
Also loved “The Bad Guys!” Such a fun experience.
You thought this film was LIGHT on Norse mythology? I thought it had shitloads of it, bordering almost on too much. Seems like every ten minutes or so there's a spiritual sequence or narration.
@@badjujubes Don’t get me wrong, there’s a ton in this film, and there’s probably more that I’ll pick up on rewatches. But there were only a handful of scenes that dove into those aspects outside of the rituals and traditions (and the story itself) from my recollection.
It mostly felt like there was supposed to be more put into the film, but they cut it out (probably due to time and test screenings). I do think this current cut is a complete film by itself that I’ll gladly revisit, but I feel like there’s a 10/10 director’s cut somewhere.
Fyi the book the bad guys is based on all the characters were animals so you are probably correct.
I wonder if Robert knows about the new Bacon and ‘Eggers deal
5/10? Aww man I think it deserves a 7 at highest my kid loved it and the animation was top notch
Stars don't bring people to the theater anymore. The Revenant caught the tail end of what is now a bygone era. It also had a really compelling premise.
The Northman looks like the kind of violent revenge film we've seen 100 times (but with Vikings!), worth checking out on Redbox, not worth a $40 theater trip.
Maybe it depends on what you like in movies. I’m really glad I saw The Northman in a theater. It is a visually beautiful and immersive film that I don’t think would be the same experience on a television set.
Completely disagree on the casting comment. You could argue the lead is a lesser known name, but Nicole Kidman is pretty big, same with Willem Dafoe. Ethan Hawke was just recently the villain in a Marvel show and Anya Taylor-Joy has been pretty well known to the normies since Queen’s Gambit.
Yeah big names and easily recognizable for movie enthusiasts, just like he said. Thats not the same thing. This type of movies usually go for A list star power. People don't exactly line up to theaters for a Meryl Streep side role either
Besides Nicole Kidman those names mean nothing to general movie goers. I know who they are but I watch a lot of movies. Adam is right when he questioned the casting for box office returns. They needed a household name for a 90 million dollar movie unfortunately.
@@StabStabStabStabby Sounds like this is boiling down to a difference of opinion but do you really not consider Anya Taylor-Joy to be a more household name? And Dafoe and Hawke? These 3 have all been in various Marvel adaptations.
@@ItWasRevealedToMeInMyDreams I don't think most general movie goers know the names of actors like Dafoe or Taylor Joy - they probably see them and recognise them, sure, but in the sort of "Hey that's the actor from movie/show X". And especially if they're playing side characters in a movie like this and barely appear in marketing material, they will have some but not enough of a sales impact imo. I agree that this film probably needed an A list type lead to get more normies to come watch the film. Although I thought Skarsgard was a great choice and did very well, but he's even further from a household name than the aforementioned Dafoe and Taylor Joy. Problem with getting an A lister lead tho is that it would probably double the budget just because of the salary lol
I think it's for the best that Robert Eggers goes back to smaller scale movies. He's so talented at what he does that he feels like way too much of an auteur director for all the bureaucracy that comes with budgets of that size and studio moviemaking. You can tell that he thrives in the more intimate settings because Anya Taylor-Joy returned as a major character and Willem Dafoe, Ralph Ineson and Kate Dickie all appeared in smaller cameos. I really don't see them all being here by accident - they clearly love working with the man. Hope the next thing we see from him is another $5M-$20M arthouse film where he can be left to do what he does best.
That Rus’ Village scene was incredible. That was one of the most viscerally brutal scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie. As someone who is a history buff and fascinated with ancient warfare I’ve read a lot about the sacking and razing of villages and this the first time I’ve ever seen in a movie a palpably realistic and truly grim and brutal picture of what it meant for a village or city to be sacked and razed by savage barbarians like the Norse Vikings. Truly epic film making
the Northman is losing so much money
A friend of mine pointed out how “The Bad Guys” was a movie for furries with a praise kink about half a dozen times before I said they’re not allowed to use Tumblr or Reddit until after the movie is out of theaters.
As a person who works at a library, I feel that they were banking on kids who are obsessed with the book series (they are very popular. They get read so much we've had to replace copies)
If I ever made a movie and Adam gave me a five out of ten, I would count that as a total victory.
northman looks like it has some vinland saga vibes
Yms really be like "the bad guy is good uh i mean fine...5/10." Bruh I feel like he was just in denial he enjoyed the movie
Eh, the Northman was alright. First time I saw a movie and thought "the book version of this would be way better".
The Northman definitely felt too long, but idk what could have really been cut. 🤷♂️
Finally someone mentions the weird slow-fighting in Northman! Felt like I was going crazy for not raving like everyone else coming out of the theater
Yeah I think it's because most of the fight scenes were oners as in one long take, or at least made to look that way
as someone who grew up reading the bad guys book, this movie was pretty decent
Northman looks cool, I don't mind dance-fighting.
Im realy happy to see that you didnt stop making these videos.
Really looking forward to the northman, there are way too many shlocky melodramatic Viking shows and movies and it looks like it'll be actually atmospheric, authentic, and interesting.
Not realistic enough like the lion king 2019 1/10 The Bad Guys
0:19 - 0:40
The reason for this is because all the non-main characters being human ties into the bad guys origin story. All the human characters were afraid of the bad guys before they became the bad guys since they’re scary animals to humans (wolf, snake, tarantula, shark and piranha) so they fought to that if they’re just gonna be afraid of them they might as well be the bad guys, this concept wouldn’t really function is every background character weren’t human
It would work if most of the non-main characters were non-scary animals. It also makes things feel inconsistent in world building to not have any other anthropomorphic animal apart from the narratively important ones.
There was some obvious padding of runtime in Northman. Kudos to the filmmakers that are able to make the middle of their film engaging, like Doctor Sleep
I used to run a Reading Club at an elementary school. Kids basically come in, read a book (we had our own library), take a test on it, earn points and prizes. 'Bad Guys' was one of the most popular books. I don't even know how many times I've read it (sometimes kids weren't too great at reading on their own so would sit down and read to them). Can't wait to see it.
The Northman is the remake of The Lion King we needed
I cannot believe Adam didn't talk about The Northman's sound Design. It is phenomenal
Anybody looking for a book VERY similar to the north men check out the shadow of the gods. A bit more magic but a revenge tale none the less amongst vikings
I don't understand the worldbuilding complaints against The Bad Guys. Do people complain about the worldbuilding of Looney Tunes? Regular Show? The Muppets?
The answer as to why, it's that they wanted to use demonised animals as a metaphor for demonised or criminalized demographics but didn't want into the Zootopia problem of accidentally reinforcing bioessentislism in trying to explain why in the worldbuilfing. Honestly? fair call.
Yes! I agree with this. There’s been a few other people in the comments saying something similiar (essentially agreeing with you that it has metaphorical meaning,
Although your comment really does an eloquent job at breaking down that metaphorical meaning.
Sadly, most of the comments making this point are not getting many likes, and getting buried. The only comments that are getting a decent amount of likes are saying things like “The Bad Guys is poorly written / doesn’t make sense, but at least the animation is decent”, which is a sentiment I am very disappointed to see happening when I loved the film, myself. But eh, I guess that’s just natural to happen, this isn’t exactly the best place to find celebration of the film
Those other products are different because they are more consistent. The Bad Guys literally only has the main characters as animals, but no one else. If only the important characters are one thing, it makes things feel off and obviously for the plot. Also, the discrimination doesn't work because they are people, too. Humans only fear or hate animals because they aren't like humans. This also makes the message feel more cheesy and generic. This film just isn't that great.
Note me liking The Bad Guys more than The Northman, which I thought would be the other way around
I wouldnt say that the lack of star power screwed the Northman at the box office. Rather it was how bad the marketing for it was. I remember the first time I heard about it was at least a month beforehand when watching the preview trailers in the cinema. Usually movies of this calibre need more time to get exposure and build some hype around it.
Yeah, a lot of movies coming out have had little advertisement. Same issue happened with Last Duel, I hadn't even heard about it until news came out that it bombed at the box office.
4:18 is that a Roman centurio wearing dental braces?
I loved your Lion King take and really can't wait for part 2 to come out ❤️
For context: The Bad Guys is based on a children's book series. I have no idea if that influences any story or character design critiques being borrowed from the books as I never read them, but good to know that it's an adaptation and not a totally original property.
Why is it good that it's an adaptation and not a totally original property? Totally original properties are much more interesting and haven't been a big thing in cinema for a long time.
For me, The Northman was just as good as The Lighthouse. Obviously the scratch different itches and have different goals, and I'd say The Northman succeeded in achieving its goals with flying colors. I was really pulled into how the story felt like both a Viking epic and Shakespearean tragedy, fitting considering its origin in the Amleth tale. As some who really enjoys ancient legends and Shakespeare, and also badass Viking stuff, I was doomed to be a sucker for the movie, even if it wasn't as good as it was, but thankfully Robert Eggers delivered another fantastic movie. I hope the film can get more recognized once it goes to streaming platforms, because even if it bombs at the box office, it deserves to get more recognition than it has received. Though that's true for all of Eggers's movies really.
I like how I recognized the same exact landscapes in The Northman from Batman Begins
Honestly why is the lighthouse not on 4K yet? It’s literally the perfect film for HDR
Tbh the Northman was a letdown for me, I really enjoyed The VVitch and The Lighthouse, but the Northman felt less like an arthouse film and more like a standard Hollywood movie. I did enjoy the cinematography and acting but on the whole it just felt too safe. Not surprised to hear there was studio meddling though, now I wonder what the film originally would have been like
I'm glad someone said it.
Why did they have to make the wolf man exactly my type