French Underfolding Paratrooper Rifle: MAS 36 CR39
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The CR39 ("crosse repliable", or folding stock) is the paratrooper version of the MAS 36. The need for a more compact and transportable pattern was recognized almost as soon as the MAS 36 was finalized, originally for paratroops but in practice also for alpine troops. Two years were spent devising the new rifle, starting in 1937, and in 1939 is was formally adopted. The barrel was shortened about 5 inches (from 575mm to 450mm), and the wooden stock replaced by a cast aluminum stock that folded underneath the action. A unique and very cool sling design went Alon with the new stock; a spring winder (like a car's seat belt) was fitted in the stock so that the sling would coil up neatly as the stock was folded. These winders are rather fragile, however, and usually broken today.
A small number of CR39s were produced before the 1940 armistice, and production restarted almost immediately upon liberation of St Etienne. The CR39 would remain in production until 1960, with almost 34,000 made in total. For more information, check out my new book, Chassepot to FAMAS: French Military Rifles 1866-2016 - now in stock and shipping!
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I love paratrooper versions. B/c a half century later everyone went, "Wait a minute. Those guys who carry everything on foot might want a compact weapon too.".
@@TheRealColBosch Except most engagements in Afghanistan are beyond the M4's range...
@@xandercager5276 Call weapons company, artillery, CAS... modern army has tools for everybody.
@@TheRealColBosch look up Increasing Small Arms Lethality in Afghanistan: Taking back the Infantry Half-Kilometer written by a US Army Major at the Command and General Staff college instead of asking random people.
@@TheRealColBosch And then bull pups became a thing so you can have a 22” barrel in a rifle shorter than an M4...
@@TheRealColBosch One thing you gotta appreciate about the AK family is they always had folding stocks from the very beginning they knew that was gonna be a thing
For anyone curious, he had videos hidden on the channel and only just released them publicly, this is why it was uploaded 4 months ago but hasn't been seen.
Suppose it's getting (eventually, soon) unlisted in honor of the release of Ian's French rifle book?
@@ArcturusOTE possibly but also he just has a release schedule where he films in different locations several videos in advance, if he released them all we would get a bunch of content at once and then nothing for a while
This not the old ones? I thought he already reviewed it last year iirc
That explaines alot
I figured Ian has a lof of video's shot from several themes, auctions and musea, but releases them criss cross not to bore the audience, for staying with one theme / location etc too long: for variation & diversity
At first glance that stock looked really uncomfortable but then the close ups made it look only "slightly" uncomfortable...
It has a good shape but if you will use in the snow the "leather cover" will be your cheek but in the desert you will have a portable frying pan
@@zaikolebolsh5724 does not sound fun...
@@widgren87 because it isn't
I don't know... It has a certain quality to it. I kinda want one.
It looks like it just waiting to cause someone pain to me 🤣
I can't imagine being in desert storm with modern bullpups all around, and getting handed one of these antiquated folders. What a way for your c.o. to play favourites
I'm not hating on it - it's definitely a cool rifle but can you imagine getting handed one of these in 1990? You'd look at the kid in the arms room and say, "What in the f**k am I supposed to do with this? Hang it over my fireplace?"
It makes a lot of sense as a survival rifle in an aircraft. Nice and compact to stick in some hole in the plane. The full powered rifle round nice for tanking down potentially large fauna you may encounter. You aren’t meant to use it if you see serious armed opposition.
@@88porpoise - fair enough. Though I'd wager it was issued so late out of expediency more than anything.
Wes Harris Oh, it certainly was. But if you keep in mind the expected usage (ie not getting into a firefight with enemy troops) it isn’t a terrible idea.
In « desert storm » french air force crews had MAS 36 CR 39 and PAMAS (Beretta 92 under license).
Reminds of the old saying about French Engineering and imitation being the ultimate flattery
"The French copy nobody and nobody copies the French"
Today we can ask why they didn't build it side folding, but I have a impression that under/over folding stocks was really common at the time. So maybe the engineers were just following the trends, after all, the whole rifle was conceived to be as simple as possible (for the time).
George Kelgren's first company, Grendal Arms, their folding SRT rifle seems to be heavily inspired by this. Didn't have the sling, but close.
The French engineers were given a problem and solved it with a French solution. A bit like a Citreon 2CV car !!!.
Actually japanese copy french weapon with a little improvement
There seems to be a certain quirkiness if not whimsy in french small arms design .
When you think about it, this was one of the few pre-MAS-49 French rifles to feature a mechanical safety, by way of having the stock obscure the trigger mechanism when folded.
Ha. The safety is half the rifle.
@##### Smith it's halfway safe.
The movie project for which "Fake" Cr 39s were made is the wonderfully underappreciated french movie "Dien Bien phu", about the battle of the same name. It was directed by Pierre Schoenderffer, a former french war correspondant that actually was dropped on Dien Bien Phu in the later stages of the battle, and spent a few years in a viet minh prison camp after the fall of the french defenses. I would advise anybody interesssted in the battle to watch this movie, it is absolutely wonderful (and, as a french, gutwrenching).
Anything paratrooper has a special place in my heart, always some interesting innovation incorporated into them.
French army: "We want a paratrooper rifle"
Tefal: "Say no more"
Tefal wasn't around when the model was designed. Tefal was founded in 1956
(otherwise the joke was good.)
Chipsopasta it looks pretty good, but can we get a surrender handle on it.
@Mack Sarnie I have seen others that look just like this,Ian said later ones had a green rubberised coat but havnt seen one myself
@@mattford4056 So amazed by yank victories in Korea, Vietnam, Irak and Afghanistan...
@Mack Sarnie That's what aluminum looks like after many decades of corrosion. When new it would have been smooth and shiny.
When my grandfather did his military service, he got enlisted in the 17ème RGP (Regiment du Génie Parachutiste - 17th Parachute Engineer Regiment) and was issued what I guess would be the CR39 (he mentioned it having a folding stock, and since he went through the military service in the early 60s I'd guess that's the rifle he had).
This is the only folding-stock rifle the French military issued, so yes.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you for the reply, can't wait to receive my copy of Chassepot to FAMAS to learn more about it as well as the other rifles !
@@Jemson In the late 70s I saw SIDE folding stock US M1A1 carbines in a "portes ouvertes" PR week-end in the 17ème RGP barracks in Montauban.
So it might also be this weapons he was issued with.
@@jean-pascalesparceil9008 I was going to ask when they stopped using M1A1s, so both options are possible I guess.
I like your avatar
Having a bare metal stock isn't just uncomfortable when it's cold; in temperatures well below freezing, it'll peel your skin off.
That's what I immediately thought of when he mentioned cold climate, i imagine a lot of cloth wrapping(or duck taping) happened in the more extreme climates.
Yep ! And the easiest way to deal with this, was tu put a sock , or the sleeve of an old shirt on it!🙂
And it did peel skin off. That's why some rifles had their stock covered with a kind of plastic film
>>my new book is now in stock!
>>misses the opportunity to actually have an actual book in actual stock
great gun great video
Neat. Had I not seen this video and encountered that rifle I would have thought the rear stock had been broken previously and someone with a metalworking hobby fudded up a new one.
Finally - a MAS 36 I can EDC.
That sling winder is a delightful and genius little detail.... love these videos!
The more I see the MAS 36, the more I want one. Handy size, good sights, onboard pokey .
Rest of the world: You can't jump with full-length rifles!
Rhodesians: hold my shorts
US Airborne troops during WW2 did jump with full length Garands. (not that there were any other variants of the Garand made, to begin with)
@@MrDgwphotos Garands were disassembled when put into the drop bag. Trigger group, stock and barrel and receiver group
@@MrDgwphotos we also had the m1 carbine and the Thompson
@@grahamlopez6202 Note that I did NOT say that the Garand was the only weapon the US Airborne troopers carried during WW2.
@@MrDgwphotos I know, i wasnt bashing you, just reminding you incase you'd forgotten
This was the first forgotten weapons video that I ever saw. And I must say, I haven’t regretted it since.
Iirc, this rifle was on the BATF restricted list for a while because the rifle's folded OAL length was too short to be imported.
@@justacatwalkingonakeyboard4454 - I'll say - can you imagine the veritable explosion of crime that would have ensued if they would have imported these?!? Whew! Close one!
Very evocative is the image of these dropping with the lions into Dien Bien Phu. I suspect not many came out in French hands...
You are so cool dude! :) I love guns, especially old ones and how they were designed, and you take that love to the highest level! Thanks! I learn about the coolest weapons that I never knew existed because of you.
That grip looks horrendously uncomfortable.
I'd still take it over an early STEN
Alex Winebrenner Seriously, those were truly horrendous! If I had to put up with one of those, I’d Jerry-rig a better grip with some cloth scraps and tape in the field and maybe later carve some wooden scales and bolt them together through the hole in the “grip”.
Oh yah
still looks more comfortable than CA compliant grips
Honestly I’d jerry rig a pistol grip to fit in that gaping stock
Guns that fold are fascinating
I love that they cut 5 inches off the barrel, removed the stock completely to replace it with what must be the most uncomfortable hand hold and cheeck weld, made it hollow and still didn't lose any weight!
I am really impressed by this huge french rifles collection
French pilots in the Desert Storm: we have the oldest rifle in the Coalition Forces!
American tank crews with M3 Grease guns: hold my beer...
It just werks tm
These are older than Grease Guns.
@@Libelnon my guess is survival rifles were picked up among the most up to date ones, it would make sense not to choose the most obselete pre WWII ones. So grease guns were older.
Ma Deuce clears her throat...
@@TheRealColBosch About 5 years ago an workers at Anniston Army Depot received a M2 to upgrade. The serial number is the best part. the serial number is 324. Yes, you read that write number 324.
I could have sworn Ian had done this rifle before?
At any rate, I believe this is the most French firearm ever made.
I don't remember Ian covering this one, but there are a bunch of French designs which are just as weird as this, so maybe that's why it feels familiar?
He done the MAS-36 in a video a few years back. Just not this paratroop version of it.
He did Mas 36 and Mas 40.
"At any rate" is a phrase I basically only hear Gun Jesus use.
I saw this on his wall for a video a while back and I had to scour the internet to find out what it was. When I found it’s name on Reddit, Ian mentioned that he had one. When I looked up the model, it brought me right back here. I have diverse interests in a lot of subjects but this might be my favorite channel based on how often I watch and how many I’ve seen and how long I can watch in a single sitting.
I'm dying to see you make a video of the Swiss Vetterli rifle. An 1860-80's era 12 shot bolt action repeater that loads like a Winchester.
He mentioned Swiss in video about first Winchester as they did not wanted the rifle but took the patent.
Very cool rifle with way more history and use than I thought. Great video overall.
I'm so sick of all corona virus videos so thank you gun Jesus Ian and as always greetings from sLOVEnia east europe
I just got your 'French 75' shirt; Awesome, and my wife wants one before our next trip to France battlefields!--(but I want to go to Mt St Micheal's this time!
Hello Ian.
Very good video.
The paras version of the Mas 36 and the PM MAT49 with retractable stock and its magazine folding system were effectively designed in relation to the use of the paras units.
And then in terms of shooting distance for the MAS 36 paras, the weapon was shorter at the level of the barrel but but a problem in view of the context of jungle in Indochina and in the djebels in Algeria, mountainous area with low vegetation but dense, the engagement distances for combat fire was therefore also shorter.
It seems to me that the classic MAS 36, so the non-folding butt in the paras was mainly used for shooting grenade launches, the FM24 / 29 in fire support, Before the AA52 is put into service.
Cordially.
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Good points.
From what I have heard from the "anciens" the CR39 was quite popular.
I always liked the look and often asked about this rifle. I never heard any complaints.
Congrats on getting your book out! Looking forward to reading it. Great video also.
New playlists = new easter egg videos
Hello,
i just want to thank you for your viedos.
I never know about this particular weapon, and i'm French, so thank you for your work, really apreeciate it.
Your work deserve our history, and i hope your book will be a succes!
Best regards from a French man.
I (French) didn't knew this was existing! Thanks Ian!
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Most people would look at that stock and say "nice patina!"
Mark Novak would look at that stock and say "Do the maintenance!"
Push the book on every French rifle video? OF COURSE YOU WILL! You're so all over it, Ian! I mean it. Well done, sir.
I feel like I'm part of a special club for seeing this before it actually published
How did you do it?
You technically are
SO HAPPY THE BOOK IS DONE! CONGRATZ!
Last time I was this early the French were using rimmed ammo
@cody sonnet wait...did we start WW2? The Franco-Prussian war was starter by the French but.... not to be remenber ^^
cody sonnet agreed.
@cody sonnet Damnn that some French + British bashing if i ever heard some. Plus some anti-jewish claims....really ?
@@theobuzat9091 wow, when did the Jews come into this?
@@theobuzat9091 well I was with you about the French and British,amongst many others.........Jews though dude.. c'mon man
I really have to get my hands on a MAS 36 one of those days, just the prettiest little bolt action.
Congrats on the book release Ian
I have a MAS-36/51 and it's my pride and joy
Retractable sling.
That is awesome.
The wind expose a good idea the less that you have to worry about something getting your way the less you have to worry about it malfunctioning
These shameless plugs are amazing and warranted! Keep up the wonderful work
Beautiful is and understatement! Wow!
This is the coolest French thing I have ever seen
Thank you , Ian .
Very neat contraption. Great video as usual. Will be getting your book soon.
thats a fancy book cover
My favorite mas 36 variant
perfect one for this situation ! I will be happy to change my m70ab2 for this "sawed" one .
Just when I thought I saw all the odd military weapons. Honestly, this is genius, looks brutal to shoot though. And people complain about the jungle carbine being a brutal to shoot.
Finally found the perfect truck gun.
"Definitely a gunsmithing project" I think Ivanski Dragonov, who fixed the zero on your Krinkov might be the man for this job!
Pounding rivets isn't that hard... At least if you have an air hammer.
@@ScottKenny1978 doing it properly takes a bit of finesse
@@CAMSLAYER13 yeah, I'd need to practice a bit to remember how. It's been over 20 years since I last pounded rivets.
@@ScottKenny1978 th-cam.com/video/8wZBjhpJFbQ/w-d-xo.html the craftsman in question
@@Fantareina ah, that guy.
*saw French was the first word in the title* OH BOY!!!! another space saving gun that flips out and ends up being silly and badass at the same time XD
What a nifty gun.
As soon as he said that the stock was aluminum, I knew it had to be rather unpleasant to deal with. I'm surprised they didn't find some other alternative as soon as the war was over, but kept on making these.
Not the biggest folding stock fan, but I still love it.
Really enjoyed this vid. Very cool rifle.
Ian "Today we are looking at a French...." Me (Hits LIKE immediately)
once you land [paratrooper] or set up [mountain] you keep the rifle full length, & it would be interesting to see if the French troops ever adapted something as a cheek rest . GREAT REVIEW of this weapon!!!
wow, I never even heard of that... now I can see it.. thx Ian :)
That's pretty freaking neat
Martin Windrow in his book 'The Last Valley' about the battle of Dien Bien Phu, says the rifle stocks were prone to breakage,to the extent that in 1950 French Paratroopers were jumping operationally in Indochina with 3 shot 8mm Berthiers.
How did they get ahold of those old things?
so very cool!
When I am able to I want to purchase your new book. Still haven't picked up the AK book that you and SGM Vickers worked on. Thanks for the videos and keep them coming!!!
Yes! Finally!
Fascinating ...Thanks.
Very cool.
Only dropped once, but very gently.
Chassepot to famas sound like a fancy drink.
The single most French gun I have seen.
The one thing that could make it even more French is if the trigger was a corkscrew
Okay this one is really cool.
The book is great.
lovely full metal stock
ideal to lick in winter
The sling winder reminds me of our German rolling window-blinds - same type of mechanism.
Thanks for the video.
Very slick for a ww2 folding stock.
Great channel! Don't know why I haven't already subscribed.
A very informative video. Occasionally I see fakes for sale, sometimes unintentional. I remember a major importer selling the stocks, but I don't think it was Centrey. Probably before you were born. A lot of the MAS 36 rifles were converted by guys just playing around without the intention of fraud. However, once the CR is stamped on it, that is something else.
With a wood buttstock this would make a dandy carbine for mucking about the woods with.
Oh dear, two MAS 36's together in one video... hope the Good Idea Fairy doesn't pay a visit.
Looks interesting and rare, but agree that... that aluminum stock would suck to shoot, hold or have the face gainist in many situations.
That aluminum stock almost looks worm eaten. Given that it’s a casting I wonder how much of that surface texture came from the factory.
That kind of grain/pattern/coloration can happen with aluminum that has a lot of impurities in it or is alloyed in odd ways. As to the texture itself, I'd guess that the castings were not particularly well finished in the first place (beyond deburring), but aging of aluminum via exposure to air and other elements naturally eats away at the material, a process that's definitely made worse by the finish.
Keltec eat your heart out
That sling winding system looks a lot like the winding system for the rolling shutter ribbons of many a window in our house…
"That sling winder is permanently built into the stock"
Nothing is permanent when it comes to the boundless idiocy of gun modders
Thats how we get cool new guns though, with gun modders tinkering with shit.
In 1978-1979, we worked quite extensively with French Airborne troops. They were still issued MAS 36 back then, the barrel was shorter but the stocks were in wood and not foldable ... Also the French had no significant airborne troops prior to to the beginning of WWII ...
That stock reminds me of the keltec su16c
I bet French surplus military rifles are in great shape , hardly ever fired.
I love that rifle.
Here’s an idea, do a video on the arms used by the French in the classic film Day of the Jackal
If you want to see this rifle in action, get your hands on the old TV show The Wild Wild West, "The Night of the Legion of Death", Season 3 Disc 3. As an added bonus, this is the super rare GOLD version of the rifle.
What a cute gun!
Shoot it shoot it!
NGL, engineer a polymer and semi-auto version and this would sell today.
Keltec basically did, it's the SU16.
After I watching this, I had the sudden desire to buy a cheap ass Savage or similar sub $300 bolt gun, make an underfolding stock for it, and use it as a rock blaster. Maybe even rebarrel to 7.5x54mm for shiggles.