When you hear people going on about their problems today they have probably never had things so good in their lives compared to the poor souls in the old slums of Manchester . Thank you so much for sharing this video and shining a light on this shocking past .
Hi Clive. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow which mirror my own. I produced a second version, Manchester's Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags (extended), because of the many questions i was asked, many of which i had no meaningful answer to offer. Kind regards BJ.
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My great, great, great grandmother, Maria - a first generation Irish immigrant, and her son and his family lived in Church Court, near the church. There were six of them- possibly in one or two rooms of a back to back. Your informative film helped give some idea of the deprivation that they must have endured. Thank you. Maria lived to a ripe old age, but died in the workhouse. I often wonder what she would make of her descendants travelling the world, going to university, etc.
Hi David. Thanks for you comments on Angel Meadow. The conditons were more than extremely bad. Much of what we know in general today is down to Engels and his friend Karl Marx. It is claimed that Manchester's industrial revolution and the plight of the working population that followed it, may have inspired those two to develop the concept of communism. My view is that in the frenzy of the new discipline of powered machines, industrialist and many others lost sight of what was happening under their very noses - nothing changes much does it. Your Great Grand mother Maria would be proud and astounded. Regards BJ
Im from Milesplatting 23 years old thank you so much for this video i am so interested in Manchester history this has gave me great insight into the meadow
I can scarcely believe that this place existed so close to where I grew up (Cheetham) and spent the first 20 years of my life, yet I never heard of it. How wonderful that some wonderful people are maintaining the site.
As a child, whenever I passed through this area I had a strange sense of belonging....these images still conjur up emotion, familiarity and dejar vu.......I'm now 80yrs old.......
Hi Paul. Thanks for your comments on Angel meadow. I found this place more by accident than any other reason, i too used to pass through the area but never lingered there. We are of a similar age , i am just a touch older and i regret not starting my research much earlier. I produced a second longer version, . Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags, mostly because of the interest the first version created kind regards BJ
When you travel on the Metrolink (tram) to Victoria from Oldham , just before you get to Victoria sometimes you stop at a red light straight outside the Charter St Mission. Many times I've tried to get a look inside but the windows are frosted or at an angle that restricts your view. There is something about that part of town that fascinates me, from Victoria to Angel Meadow over to Ancoats and the other way and Strangeways. Strangeways is actually an area name not the name of the infamous gaol. The Brewery was also called Strangeways. Maybe it's because it's so old it intrigues me? Chethams school is very old too and the original building still stands. Thanks again
Thank you very much for this video I have been searching so long to find something like this about Angel Meadow. It is believed my ancestors lived in this area during very hard times. I work at the new co-operative head office and find that I now walk in the same footsteps as my ancestors did all those years ago in what is now very different circumstances, for which without their existence, I would not be here today. I'm very humbled and extremely moved by this short yet powerful video of such an important piece of history in which lies close to my heart. Thank you so much.
I’ve been living in Manchester for 11 years and it turns out that I have no idea what secrets it hides. Thank you very much sir for sharing it with us.
Hi Marian. I too missed this story, until recently, despite having lived in a Manchester suburb for sixtyxxxyears!!! How about that. I have produced a second version - Angel Meadow and St Michaels Flags Extended - that goes into more detail. Thanks so much for your comments on my vid so glad you found it of interest. Regards BJ.
What a great vid, I've seen both of them now and was really enthralled so much so I have sent off for two books on Angel Meadow. I am approaching 70 now but back in the 1960s I worked as an apprentice for NW gas and was based at Gould Street gas works which faced a tobacco factory. It was a really horrible area and even on a sunny day it was miserable. How anyone could live (sorry exist) there in the Victorian period is beyond me. Once again thanks for the videos.
Hi Ian. Sorry for the delay in a reply, problems with my lap top now fixed. Yes the CWS tobacco factory now converted dwellings i think. We don't know we are born these days!!! I was shocked when i discovered the history that surrounds this notorious part of Manchester. I had such a response i produced an extended version that delved a little deeper into this place. Regards Barry.
I have visited this place twice,and both times myself and the Missus have both felt a deep feeling of sadness and foreboding whilst walking around the place , a unnerving sensation.
Hi Garth. I felt the same particularly when i saw young people perhaps in thier lunch breaks sitting on the grass. I wonder if they knew what lay beneath them. But perhaps far better that they enjoy the sunshine than be depressed by the History. I made the video to inform those who were not aware of the past. regards BJ
As a visitor to Manchester, I think it is a most beautiful City with all of its old buildings and past history. I do think however that the modern buildings that have sprung up in the last few years are a real blot on its skyline. This video is well made and very informative.
Thank you for your comments on my Vid Angel Meadow. I have lived in Manchester outskirts all my life, but like all large cities they have thier dark side. As for the new buildings i couldn't agree more. But sadly they are part of so called progress. However their minimalistic construction is all we can afford today!! Regards B.J.
TrueBlogge777. Thank you for your comments that i fully agree with,however, this short video is my attempt to recognise the people burried in this particular Graveyard in - Manchester -, and to acknowledge their existance and their story because so few people know of it. I will shortly publish a fuller version from which the current video was created, in response to the unexpected interest it has generated. Regards BJ.
What a great video of my home city &So much tragedy loss of life we should be remember this place &it's huge loss of souls. John Rooney st.annes Lancashire manc
Hi DJ K Like you, i only discovered this place by chance some 6 months ago. Since then i have been eager to learn more. The seat that Engles and Marx used in their discussions can be found is in Chethams Library near the Vic station. I have yet to view it. Of the people who lived there i can only marvel. BJ.
That was a great video. My ancestors lived around that part of Manchester. Even when the slums were gone I remember going into town as a kid with my mum. She used to park the car where a building used to be and I used to go and stick my head over the wall to see the giant rats in the canal. I don't think I've ever seen rats like that since. I had no idea at the time my ancestors were from around there. I am very proud of the fact I am Mancunian and that is what myamily survived and I think they would be too if they could see where we are now.
Hi Clare. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. When i first discovered the story of Angel Meadow i seemed to be compelled to let others know what i had found out about the people in that era and what they had to endure in their daily lives. We are so lucky to have been born in better times. Regards BJ.
Wilfred(Billy) Hopkins wrote about his mother's childhood and his early childhood in Angel Meadow before they were bombed out in 1940 and were re-housed near Smedley Lane Cheetham He wrote 6 books altogether , The first two were largely dictated by his mother Kate Lally , before her death in about 1979 His books are a slightly fictionalised account of what really happened. His way out of poverty was passing the 11 plus and going to Xavarian College in 1939 His first 2 books are called Our Kid , and Kate's story. He writes about his aunt and Cousin living in the basement of their house in "Butler Court ". I have found his family in the 1881 Census.
Hi Donna. Thanks for your interest in the Vid. It is a shortened version but i have found that very few people know about this place or what secrets it holds.I was very saddened when i uncovered its history and it has left me wanting to know more. I have been trying to get into the small school (King of Kings) in the charter st Mission but without success to date. BJ.
Hi Stacey. Thank you for your comments on Angel Meadow. I have a longer version on TH-cam. It is sad story that i tell, but the people were no Angels you understand, exrtreme poverty does bad things to some people. I have about 20+ vids mostly about holiday destinations. Regards BJ
Thanks for your comments. Angel meadow i remember, as a child, as a place to avoid because of its reputation. Today 60 years on i see it in different way. The video is my way of showing others how it was. Regards BJ
Very interesting indeed. I can trace my 2x great grandfather back to Angel Meadow. He and his family lived in Back Style St. in 1851. The front doors of the houses of that street opened directly onto the the burial ground.
An excellent and informative video, thanks. I first came across Angel Meadow in a book about life in and around there with some survivors working at Smithfield Market. I think it was written by a teacher about his forebears. It was, as you said, ‘He’ll on earth.”
Hi Jed. Thanks for your comments on my video. I produced a second version with more content , Manchesters Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags. You might like to view it. Regards BJ.
@@SuperBarryjackson Thanks Barry. I've just watched your second video. You have provided some amazing insights into the city's history. It must have taken a lot of research - and then editing it and trying to decide what to leave in or take out must have been a daunting task. Thanks very much - your hard work is appreciated. I also share your concerns that not all of this deprivation is history. We are still living with it some of it today. (e.g. food banks?). Regards, Jed Comey.
Brilliant video Barry. I was aware of Angel Meadow but your video is really informative. I'm going to go and have a walk round the area now that I now exactly where it is!
Hi Michael. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. I have to admit that i have only recently known about the history of this place despite passing it on the road and rail into Victoria most of my life. As a young man the place had a terrible reputation for violence , so i kept away. If you get chance visit Chetham's School of Music Library in the old school building opposite Victoria Station, this is where Engels and karl Marks used to meet. Regards BJ.
My grandfather was born in Charter street in 1890. I love information about this area and have visited it many times especially when the excavations of the Co-Op car park were being done and saw just what the houses were like. His house was 141 which is now where modern buildings are, I assume he went to the sunday school in Charter Street which is at 142. So thanks for this video it was interesting. Visit Angel Meadow its a dream and thanks to the friends of the meadow for keeping it so nice.
trulylovelylady Thanks for your comments about my video. Ihave had many such comments , more than i expected so i put an extended version out with more detail - "Manchester,s Angel Meadow & St Michaels Flags" extended.regard BJ.
Great watch. I love to see anything about Angel Meadow and its varied history, especially of the industrial past! I've lived in the area for a number of years now. Didn't realise it was 40k buried though! A huge number really!
Hi Georgina. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow. My style is semi- documentary with an emphasis on as true a representation of what i film as is possible. I have produced a second extended version which attempts to expand on the first version , Kind regards BJ.
I visited the Charter Street Ragged School has a kid, and was fascinated with the history of Manchester. Next time I'm in Manchester I'm going to visit again. Thank you for this video.
Hi James. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. If you visit again, it is worth visiting Chethams School of Music Library, this is where Engles & Karl Marks used to meet. You can see that actual seat they used. Getting in is fairly easy, just go to the gate house in the old building facing Victoria Station, and they will pass you in. I have done a second extended version of Angel Meadow with more detail. regard BJ.
Just finished reading the book "Angel Meadow" by Dean Kirby and now part way through "Forgotten Fields" by John Marsden (covering the hidden graveyards of Manchester), this video adds a bit of further interest to this area of Manchester. Have worked in Manchester from the early 1950's through to the early 70's and driven through this area and Red Bank hundreds of times without much thought about its past. Having over the years researched by own Manchester family history your video adds a bit more colour to my memories. Thank you.
I lived not far away from there in the 60's, I remember as a kid going down to play football on the flags.. it was before they properly pulled the building down and all that remained was a big shell.. it was very eerie..
Excellent Video rewatched it and it is one of the best moved to watching Martin Zeros Videos !. This one is eerily good could easily be the London East End reported on by Booth..
Thanks for your hard work on this. I believe my great grandfather lived in this area. He was born on Ashley Street, which I cannot find on the map today, in 1839. He emigrated to the US in 1850. I believe his parents continued to work there in the mills in the type of life you described. They may be buried there for all I know. Wish I knew more.
Your comment is from a long time ago and you may already know this now but Ashley Street became Aspin Lane. I'm leaving my comment in case it helps anyone who might come across it. My great grandmother was born on Style St in 1882 which was directly off Angel Meadows, Mary Ellen Joyce.
Hi Pigeon55. Thanks for your comments on Manchesters Angel meadow. I have posted an extended version which goes into more detail. As far as using this vid in Manchester Schools is concerned i never considered the idea. I have many more vids which are mostly about holiday destinations or hotels in places like Los Christanos, Tenerife. Puerto pollensa Mallorca. Regards BJ.
Hi anajinn. Thank you for your comments. Although i lived only a few miles away from this place as a young man i used to avoid the area because of its reputation. 60 years on there has been a dramatic change - for the better - and this gave me the opportunity to research its history, and i can tell you i was both moved and ashamed at what i discovered. Regards BJ
Great video Barry you should do a series as other people have commented you captivate your audience with your voice The history of Manchester from Roman to now is full of twists and turns
Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow, due to the interst it created i produced a second version in 2015. same title plus extended giving more details and comments.I am currently not making videos due to covid 19 restrictions but hope to resume soon. Thanks again BJ.
Thank Miss Anseo for you nice comment on Angel Meadow. This vid has a sequel Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags (extended). I produced it because of the unexpected interest i received from the first one. Thanks again BJ.
I played on the flags. Three previous generations of my family lived around Vauxhall st. I remember the smell of the tannery now. Hell on earth to us. To my fore father's home. Live far away now. When i come back i feel at home.
Hi Jak. Thanks for viewing my Vid. Like you i had not heard of this place nor its history. Ihave produced another version Angel Meadow And St Micheals flags extended which delves more deeply into this sad story.
Thanks for your reply,Barry. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging your post - I sometimes forget to look at google nod what is in my mail box. I too visited Chethams. I was doing some research and the librarian was going for lunch so locked me in - very atmospheric. I love this historical area of Manchester. It all came to life for me when many, many years ago I read The Manchester Man, and of course Mary Barton tells all about the infamous dwellings. All the best. Hope you manage to produce more.
Very illuminating video, I was born and brought up in M/C (Blackley) and never knew of this place. I was aware of Marx and Engels treading around Collyhurst to get evidence in their "Conditions of the Working Classes" (1842). Unfortunately, I no longer live in UK, but cherish Mancunian history.
Thanks for the reply Barry. Yes, i have no photos either from the relatives about that area only what i read in books and the one Engels wrote which just says all about that area. I was touched when i visited Angel Meadow and read some of the gravestones there, one family lost all of their children one after the other i guess by cholera - so sad we shoould appreciate th life we are living.
Glad you liked this sad story, i had such a good response that i produced a second version, Manchesters Angel Meadow and St Micheals flags giving much more detail to this historic record.regards BJ.
that was brilliant, i lived in manchester for a few years, i'm from Durham, what i find distressing is that people still live in small terraced houses even today
Hi Hedgmist. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow. I have had a lot of response to the vid, as a result i produced a second version "Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags (extended)" which goes into much more detail. Once again i do appreciate your interest in the history it uncovers. regards BJ
Gérard, can't believe you didn't know angel meadow existed, our grandparent's lived there, he told me the hard ship they they went through.wr had a walk there shortly before he passed away.
Hi Mary. Yes I am ashamed to say i did not know the place as Angel Meadow nor of it,s history. However i did know that it had a colourful reputation and as a consequence never ventured there much, i did visit Shudehill and the Shambles in the 1950's but i was on the look out for second hand bargains. Thank you for your comments, it is my intention to expand the current video in the near future.
My great great grandfather lived in Angel Meadow and my grandfather was born there. Their house was opposite the Charter Street Working Girls home where a warehouse now stands. Great great grandfather was a beer retailer in those days. The street was then Charter Street and i found the Oxford University excavations fascinating. Those back to back houses with the cellars where the Irish lived together with their family and animals must have been 'hell on earth'.
Hi. thanks for your comments. I was born in Moston my parrents had a pub. My trips to mancheser on the 65 bus took me near this area but i was always told to keep away but i ignored that advice and sadly at 16 years of age i was mugged on Red Bank, silly me. Six months ago i started to research its history and was saddend by what i found out. The TH-cam clip is a short version of my video but i still have an interest in the place and will continue to uncover what i can. Pictures are in short supply. Once again many thanks for you comments Regards BJ
My grand mother was a Kilcourse and lived in the 'Meadow until she met my granddad who lived in the Greengate tenements. Her elder brother started a stall in the local meat and veg market (my brother had a unit there when it became the village project in the early 80s), but now in my late 70s I can still recall the tales my gran used to tell, many quite naughty and she said that times were hard, but they all worked as a community, something that folks today can take a lesson from
Excellent Video I already knew of Angel Meadows having watched a video on the area by Martin Zero.. Many towns and cities had a area like this when industrial Revolution started and people flooded into already crowded cities. As a Londoner there were many places normally near to obnoxious industry where cheap Jerry built houses were thrown up by unscrupulous landlords Many persisted into the 20th century Many nears the Docks were flattened by the Luftwaffe and Many people moved out if London to places like Harlow Stevenage and other New Towns.
Thanks for your for your comment. I produced another version same title plus - extended. It delves a little deeper into the history of the area. regards BJ.
Hi C.M. Thanks for taking the time to view Angel Meadow. I have produced an updated EXTENDED version that came about because of the interest created by the first version . Regards BJ
I somewhat stumbled across this video and just want to say to you Barry, well done for making it. I work in this area of Manchester and know a bit about the history of the area but your video has helped magnify my view of it greatly. I thank you for it. You may also be interested to know that the car park shown in your footage is currently being excavated in way of a modern development but in doing so has revealed some old brick work and clear outlines of historic buildings beneath the surface right alongside the ragged school. They may not be from the 1800s but a view of the past none the less.
O RC. Thank you so much for your comments on Angel Meadow. As a result of the interest it generated i produced a second video of the same title with (extended) added on. I was born in Moston Manchester but in all the time between 1950s until i made the first video i had never been to Angel Meadow, so i had to let people know about this special place. You may find that the second video introduces more details that could be of interest. many thanks BJ
Found this video very interesting, as I am currently reading 'Angel Meadow: Victorian Britain's Most Savage Slum' by Dean Kirby and had to find out more. What an eye-opener. We have no idea just how lucky we are today, despite troubles of our own. Really feel for those poor people and their plight. We should never forget them. Thank you Barry!
Hi Brita. Thank you for your comments and feelings on Angel Meadow which exactly mirror my own. I am ashamed to admit that even though i lived only 6 miles from this place i knew nothing about it until by chance i came across it. I have made a second extended version that goes into more detail about the conditions those poor people had to endure. Regards BJ
@@SuperBarryjackson Thanks Barry, your account on Angel Meadow is very moving and I keep thinking of those poor people. Such poverty is surely a crime against the human race. How could their 'masters' allow them to live (exist?) in such inhumane conditions? Glad we have moved on, although we still have a lot to do!
Thank you for this, it is so interesting. I am a Manchester girl and I have only just heard of Angel Meadow and bought the book which has led me to investigate further. Oh the horrors of times gone by. I now want to learn more of our Manchester history.
Hi Barbs . Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. I produced a second version Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags extended, which elaborates on the first version. Good luck with your research. BJ.
Barry Jackson Thank you so much Barry, I will definitely watch your second video and will be watching this one again too. It’s so important what you are doing in telling this history.
Thanks Ben for your comments on Angel M. I was shocked when i researched and shot the vid. I have had so many comments that i made a second vid - manchesters Angel Meadow and St Michaels Flags - this version goes into more detail. regards B.J.
@@SuperBarryjackson Hi Barry many thanks for the swift reply. I’ll have a look at the other video after my Xmas dinner. My mum also has the book by Dean Kirby ‘angel meadow Britain’s most savage slum’, which I will read in the next year. All the best Barry, Merry Xmas and thanks again.
I'd heard of this about 2 years ago and started looking where it was and thought I knew it. Between the Angel pub and Marble Arch pub. What a nice name for a horrible place. Maybe from when it was fields and maybe owned by someone called Angel? Or was it such a nice place before it became a slum area and got the name? Hard to imagine fields and cattle and sheep when you see it now. Here we have a road called Penny Meadow from Penny's Meadow in the old days.
Hi Urban. Thanks for you kind comments on Angel Meadow. I was born in 1936, 7 miles from this place. Yet to my shame i only discovered its history a few years ago. So i had to let others know. So many comments have been made that i produced a second extended version that explores the history of this place.
Hi Jowad. Thanks for your comments on Manchesters Angel Meadow. I have had many such comments, so much so, that i posted a second video of the same title but "extended" Feb 18 2015 in which i expand on many of the issues raised in the first Vid. Kind regards BJ.
Hi. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow it is much appreciated. I have produced a second version that has been "extended" in an attempt to make the story easier to follow.
Good video and when people talk of the good old days i think sometimes they forget how things were for some. Also some religious people in modern times talk about how the world is in a terrible place now and its a sign of the end time, i always say, when would you rather be alive, now, or in the 1700s ? Some things have got worse as a world and many things have improved. Thats my opinion anyway
Hi Jim. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow, the response in general has been remarkable. I made an updated version which goes into more detail to cover the many questions i was asked about this area of Manchester. Regards BJ
2:04 - the same thing is still going on - landlords are buying houses, turning the rooms into flats, and then letting them out at horribly inflated prices. HMOs I believe they're called.
@@SuperBarryjackson Its an incredible story. They should never be forgotten, and it's people like yourself and Martin Zero who are keeping their memory alive. Thank you.
Hi Suzy.Thank you for taking the time to view the video. I came upon the dreadful story of The Meadow late in life even though i lived only 6 miles away. My parents put the area, Off limits, to me. But i am glad i have now told the story, so much so that i have made a longer version because of the interest it created. Kind regards B.J
100 people to one toilet? Thats one turd every 24 mins! Thats over 24 hours. 12 hour day one every 10 mins! I bet the seat was always warm though, I spose thats why germs spread cuz it was always warm? Nice video by the way.
Super video, thanks Barry. I did a walk with a group of friends last Sunday with www.manchesterguidedtours.com/ which was entitled Victorian Slums and Squalor and it was all around the Angel Meadow area. It was super and your video has put the finishing touches to it nicely, not least because of the images you have used. Thanks again. Mark
Hi Lee Thanks for your comments. Sorry, but i have only just got back on line. BT + O2 glitch!!!! Yes i stumbled upon this place by accident and just had to find out more. The version you have is only a précis of the original.I used to avoid this place as a child because of its reputation but now i realise how bad things were for those who lived there. We should all be ashamed of the way they were ignored. People living only a couple of miles away never new or cared about thr plight of those living in this overpopulated and deprived part of Manchester,made all the worse because Manchester was otherwise such an affulent place at that time.
A very sad past for Manchester.
I was part of the slum clearances in 1957. Thank you for making this film. Well done
When you hear people going on about their problems today they have probably never had things so good in their lives compared to the poor souls in the old slums of Manchester . Thank you so much for sharing this video and shining a light on this shocking past .
Hi Clive. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow which mirror my own. I produced a second version, Manchester's Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags (extended), because of the many questions i was asked, many of which i had no meaningful answer to offer. Kind regards BJ.
@@SuperBarryjackson Thanks for letting me know Barry , i will have a look at that .
it boggles that these feature the same place (different districts though):
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My great, great, great grandmother, Maria - a first generation Irish immigrant, and her son and his family lived in Church Court, near the church. There were six of them- possibly in one or two rooms of a back to back. Your informative film helped give some idea of the deprivation that they must have endured. Thank you. Maria lived to a ripe old age, but died in the workhouse. I often wonder what she would make of her descendants travelling the world, going to university, etc.
Hi David. Thanks for you comments on Angel Meadow. The conditons were more than extremely bad. Much of what we know in general today is down to Engels and his friend Karl Marx. It is claimed that Manchester's industrial revolution and the plight of the working population that followed it, may have inspired those two to develop the concept of communism. My view is that in the frenzy of the new discipline of powered machines, industrialist and many others lost sight of what was happening under their very noses - nothing changes much does it. Your Great Grand mother Maria would be proud and astounded. Regards BJ
I knew about Angel Meadow when I lived in Central Salfofd
Now, thanks to your film, I know and understand so much more.
Very informative and if not already, it should be displayed in Manchester schools.
Im from Milesplatting 23 years old thank you so much for this video i am so interested in Manchester history this has gave me great insight into the meadow
I can scarcely believe that this place existed so close to where I grew up (Cheetham) and spent the first 20 years of my life, yet I never heard of it. How wonderful that some wonderful people are maintaining the site.
As a child, whenever I passed through this area I had a strange sense of belonging....these images still conjur up emotion, familiarity and dejar vu.......I'm now 80yrs old.......
Hi Paul. Thanks for your comments on Angel meadow. I found this place more by accident than any other reason, i too used to pass through the area but never lingered there. We are of a similar age , i am just a touch older and i regret not starting my research much earlier. I produced a second longer version, . Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags, mostly because of the interest the first version created kind regards BJ
My Great Grandparents..lived at 24 St Michael's Square..Lodging House Keepers..William Powner/Elizabeth (wife)
When you travel on the Metrolink (tram) to Victoria from Oldham , just before you get to Victoria sometimes you stop at a red light straight outside the Charter St Mission. Many times I've tried to get a look inside but the windows are frosted or at an angle that restricts your view. There is something about that part of town that fascinates me, from Victoria to Angel Meadow over to Ancoats and the other way and Strangeways. Strangeways is actually an area name not the name of the infamous gaol. The Brewery was also called Strangeways. Maybe it's because it's so old it intrigues me? Chethams school is very old too and the original building still stands. Thanks again
A most interesting story regarding this great city of ours. Thank you.
Thank you very much for this video I have been searching so long to find something like this about Angel Meadow. It is believed my ancestors lived in this area during very hard times. I work at the new co-operative head office and find that I now walk in the same footsteps as my ancestors did all those years ago in what is now very different circumstances, for which without their existence, I would not be here today. I'm very humbled and extremely moved by this short yet powerful video of such an important piece of history in which lies close to my heart. Thank you so much.
I’ve been living in Manchester for 11 years and it turns out that I have no idea what secrets it hides. Thank you very much sir for sharing it with us.
Hi Marian. I too missed this story, until recently, despite having lived in a Manchester suburb for sixtyxxxyears!!! How about that. I have produced a second version - Angel Meadow and St Michaels Flags Extended - that goes into more detail. Thanks so much for your comments on my vid so glad you found it of interest. Regards BJ.
What a great vid, I've seen both of them now and was really enthralled so much so I have sent off for two books on Angel Meadow. I am approaching 70 now but back in the 1960s I worked as an apprentice for NW gas and was based at Gould Street gas works which faced a tobacco factory. It was a really horrible area and even on a sunny day it was miserable. How anyone could live (sorry exist) there in the Victorian period is beyond me. Once again thanks for the videos.
Hi Ian. Sorry for the delay in a reply, problems with my lap top now fixed. Yes the CWS tobacco factory now converted dwellings i think. We don't know we are born these days!!! I was shocked when i discovered the history that surrounds this notorious part of Manchester. I had such a response i produced an extended version that delved a little deeper into this place.
Regards Barry.
I have visited this place twice,and both times myself and the Missus have both felt a deep feeling of sadness and foreboding whilst walking around the place , a unnerving sensation.
Hi Garth. I felt the same particularly when i saw young people perhaps in thier lunch breaks sitting on the grass. I wonder if they knew what lay beneath them. But perhaps far better that they enjoy the sunshine than be depressed by the History. I made the video to inform those who were not aware of the past. regards BJ
As a visitor to Manchester, I think it is a most beautiful City with all of its old buildings and past history. I do think however that the modern buildings that have sprung up in the last few years are a real blot on its skyline. This video is well made and very informative.
Thank you for your comments on my Vid Angel Meadow. I have lived in Manchester outskirts all my life, but like all large cities they have thier dark side. As for the new buildings i couldn't agree more. But sadly they are part of so called progress. However their minimalistic construction is all we can afford today!! Regards B.J.
You'd think only two or three architects were designing these apartment blocks country wide. Identikit buildings
TrueBlogge777. Thank you for your comments that i fully agree with,however, this short video is my attempt to recognise the people burried in this particular Graveyard in - Manchester -, and to acknowledge their existance and their story because so few people know of it. I will shortly publish a fuller version from which the current video was created, in response to the unexpected interest it has generated. Regards BJ.
What a great video of my home city &So much tragedy loss of life we should be remember this place &it's huge loss of souls. John Rooney st.annes Lancashire manc
And we think we've got hard these days, it's unbelievable. God rest in peace
Hi DJ K
Like you, i only discovered this place by chance some 6 months ago. Since then i have been eager to learn more. The seat that Engles and Marx used in their discussions can be found is in Chethams Library near the Vic station. I have yet to view it. Of the people who lived there i can only marvel.
BJ.
That was a great video. My ancestors lived around that part of Manchester. Even when the slums were gone I remember going into town as a kid with my mum. She used to park the car where a building used to be and I used to go and stick my head over the wall to see the giant rats in the canal. I don't think I've ever seen rats like that since. I had no idea at the time my ancestors were from around there. I am very proud of the fact I am Mancunian and that is what myamily survived and I think they would be too if they could see where we are now.
Hi Clare. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. When i first discovered the story of Angel Meadow i seemed to be compelled to let others know what i had found out about the people in that era and what they had to endure in their daily lives. We are so lucky to have been born in better times. Regards BJ.
Wilfred(Billy) Hopkins wrote about his mother's childhood and his early childhood in Angel Meadow before they were bombed out in 1940 and were re-housed near Smedley Lane Cheetham He wrote 6 books altogether , The first two were largely dictated by his mother Kate Lally , before her death in about 1979 His books are a slightly fictionalised account of what really happened. His way out of poverty was passing the 11 plus and going to Xavarian College in 1939 His first 2 books are called Our Kid , and Kate's story. He writes about his aunt and Cousin living in the basement of their house in "Butler Court ". I have found his family in the 1881 Census.
Hi Donna. Thanks for your interest in the Vid. It is a shortened version but i have found that very few people know about this place or what secrets it holds.I was very saddened when i uncovered its history and it has left me wanting to know more. I have been trying to get into the small school (King of Kings) in the charter st Mission but without success to date.
BJ.
i love your voice i could listen to you for hours very interesting and very sad :'(
Hi Stacey. Thank you for your comments on Angel Meadow. I have a longer version on TH-cam. It is sad story that i tell, but the people were no Angels you understand, exrtreme poverty does bad things to some people. I have about 20+ vids mostly about holiday destinations. Regards BJ
Thank you a very intersting and brilliantly narrated documentery and the music fits perfectly..a marvellous film
Thanks for your comments. Angel meadow i remember, as a child, as a place to avoid because of its reputation. Today 60 years on i see it in different way. The video is my way of showing others how it was. Regards BJ
Very interesting indeed. I can trace my 2x great grandfather back to Angel Meadow. He and his family lived in Back Style St. in 1851. The front doors of the houses of that street opened directly onto the the burial ground.
An excellent and informative video, thanks.
I first came across Angel Meadow in a book about life in and around there with some survivors working at Smithfield Market. I think it was written by a teacher about his forebears. It was, as you said, ‘He’ll on earth.”
Really interesting film - it has made me want to know more. Thank you for making it.
Hi Jed. Thanks for your comments on my video. I produced a second version with more content , Manchesters Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags. You might like to view it. Regards BJ.
@@SuperBarryjackson Thanks Barry. I've just watched your second video. You have provided some amazing insights into the city's history. It must have taken a lot of research - and then editing it and trying to decide what to leave in or take out must have been a daunting task. Thanks very much - your hard work is appreciated. I also share your concerns that not all of this deprivation is history. We are still living with it some of it today. (e.g. food banks?). Regards, Jed Comey.
I live near there now it’s really interesting to learn the history of the place
Brilliant video Barry. I was aware of Angel Meadow but your video is really informative. I'm going to go and have a walk round the area now that I now exactly where it is!
Hi Michael. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. I have to admit that i have only recently known about the history of this place despite passing it on the road and rail into Victoria most of my life. As a young man the place had a terrible reputation for violence , so i kept away. If you get chance visit Chetham's School of Music Library in the old school building opposite Victoria Station, this is where Engels and karl Marks used to meet. Regards BJ.
Very interesting presentation. THANKS👍👍
My grandfather was born in Charter street in 1890. I love information about this area and have visited it many times especially when the excavations of the Co-Op car park were being done and saw just what the houses were like. His house was 141 which is now where modern buildings are, I assume he went to the sunday school in Charter Street which is at 142. So thanks for this video it was interesting. Visit Angel Meadow its a dream and thanks to the friends of the meadow for keeping it so nice.
trulylovelylady Thanks for your comments about my video. Ihave had many such comments , more than i expected so i put an extended version out with more detail - "Manchester,s Angel Meadow & St Michaels Flags" extended.regard BJ.
A very interesting video, a terrible story pleasantly told! I will visit that area soon.
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great watch. I love to see anything about Angel Meadow and its varied history, especially of the industrial past! I've lived in the area for a number of years now. Didn't realise it was 40k buried though! A huge number really!
I was born in Manchester and remember living in a two up two down in Ardwick. I now live in Australia and find your presentations fascinating
Hi Georgina. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow. My style is semi- documentary with an emphasis on as true a representation of what i film as is possible. I have produced a second extended version which attempts to expand on the first version , Kind regards BJ.
I visited the Charter Street Ragged School has a kid, and was fascinated with the history of Manchester. Next time I'm in Manchester I'm going to visit again. Thank you for this video.
Hi James. Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. If you visit again, it is worth visiting Chethams School of Music Library, this is where Engles & Karl Marks used to meet. You can see that actual seat they used. Getting in is fairly easy, just go to the gate house in the old building facing Victoria Station, and they will pass you in. I have done a second extended version of Angel Meadow with more detail. regard BJ.
Just finished reading the book "Angel Meadow" by Dean Kirby and now part way through "Forgotten Fields" by John Marsden (covering the hidden graveyards of Manchester), this video adds a bit of further interest to this area of Manchester. Have worked in Manchester from the early 1950's through to the early 70's and driven through this area and Red Bank hundreds of times without much thought about its past. Having over the years researched by own Manchester family history your video adds a bit more colour to my memories. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments on Angel Meadow ,like you i passed it by without realising what had occurred there until about 4 years ago.
I lived not far away from there in the 60's, I remember as a kid going down to play football on the flags.. it was before they properly pulled the building down and all that remained was a big shell.. it was very eerie..
Excellent Video rewatched it and it is one of the best moved to watching Martin Zeros Videos !.
This one is eerily good could easily be the London East End reported on by Booth..
Thanks for your hard work on this. I believe my great grandfather lived in this area. He was born on Ashley Street, which I cannot find on the map today, in 1839. He emigrated to the US in 1850. I believe his parents continued to work there in the mills in the type of life you described. They may be buried there for all I know. Wish I knew more.
Your comment is from a long time ago and you may already know this now but Ashley Street became Aspin Lane. I'm leaving my comment in case it helps anyone who might come across it. My great grandmother was born on Style St in 1882 which was directly off Angel Meadows, Mary Ellen Joyce.
Hi Pigeon55. Thanks for your comments on Manchesters Angel meadow. I have posted an extended version which goes into more detail. As far as using this vid in Manchester Schools is concerned i never considered the idea. I have many more vids which are mostly about holiday destinations or hotels in places like Los Christanos, Tenerife. Puerto pollensa Mallorca. Regards BJ.
Very well done, and very interesting. Thank you so much.
Hi anajinn. Thank you for your comments. Although i lived only a few miles away from this place as a young man i used to avoid the area because of its reputation. 60 years on there has been a dramatic change - for the better - and this gave me the opportunity to research its history, and i can tell you i was both moved and ashamed at what i discovered. Regards BJ
Thanks for sharing Barry. I never even gave it a thought that 1 Angel Square (Coop’s HQ) might be named after Angel Meadows.
Very interesting video, my husband drove me round there a couple of weeks ago to show me where it was.
Great video Barry you should do a series as other people have commented you captivate your audience with your voice The history of Manchester from Roman to now is full of twists and turns
Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. I do appreciate it when people take the time to comment, Thanks once again BJ
A wonderful film of history not to be forgotten. Barry Jackson a thoughtful historian thank you
Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow, due to the interst it created i produced a second version in 2015. same title plus extended giving more details and comments.I am currently not making videos due to covid 19 restrictions but hope to resume soon. Thanks again BJ.
thank you so very much for making this documentary
Thank Miss Anseo for you nice comment on Angel Meadow. This vid has a sequel Angel Meadow and St Micheals Flags (extended). I produced it because of the unexpected interest i received from the first one. Thanks again BJ.
I played on the flags. Three previous generations of my family lived around Vauxhall st. I remember the smell of the tannery now.
Hell on earth to us. To my fore father's home.
Live far away now. When i come back i feel at home.
Really enjoyed this thank you, I’d never heard of this place and I’ve lived here all my life
Hi Jak. Thanks for viewing my Vid. Like you i had not heard of this place nor its history. Ihave produced another version Angel Meadow And St Micheals flags extended which delves more deeply into this sad story.
Thanks for your reply,Barry. Sorry for the delay in acknowledging your post - I sometimes forget to look at google nod what is in my mail box. I too visited Chethams. I was doing some research and the librarian was going for lunch so locked me in - very atmospheric. I love this historical area of Manchester. It all came to life for me when many, many years ago I read The Manchester Man, and of course Mary Barton tells all about the infamous dwellings. All the best. Hope you manage to produce more.
Very illuminating video, I was born and brought up in M/C (Blackley) and never knew of this place. I was aware of Marx and Engels treading around Collyhurst to get evidence in their "Conditions of the Working Classes" (1842). Unfortunately, I no longer live in UK, but cherish Mancunian history.
Love my home city, the people, the place, everything, about it , even the sad things like Angel Meadows make Manchester the place it is today.
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Thank you so much for making this documentary. Well done 😊👍... Some real sadness. But good to see how things were changed for good and Ill.
very much like Cardiff.. then and now..
thankyou for sharing this 🙂 x
Thanks for this Barry
Thanks for the reply Barry. Yes, i have no photos either from the relatives about that area only what i read in books and the one Engels wrote which just says all about that area. I was touched when i visited Angel Meadow and read some of the gravestones there, one family lost all of their children one after the other i guess by cholera - so sad we shoould appreciate th life we are living.
Thankyou for such a eye opener and SO SO SAD 😔 XX
Glad you liked this sad story, i had such a good response that i produced a second version, Manchesters Angel Meadow and St Micheals flags giving much more detail to this historic record.regards BJ.
that was brilliant, i lived in manchester for a few years, i'm from Durham, what i find distressing is that people still live in small terraced houses even today
Just discovered this. I live in Manchester and I've learned things here that I didn't know before. Thank you.
Hi Hedgmist. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow. I have had a lot of response to the vid, as a result i produced a second version "Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags (extended)" which goes into much more detail. Once again i do appreciate your interest in the history it uncovers. regards BJ
Thank you a bit of sad unknown history. 😢
Gérard, can't believe you didn't know angel meadow existed, our grandparent's lived there, he told me the hard ship they they went through.wr had a walk there shortly before he passed away.
Hi Mary. Yes I am ashamed to say i did not know the place as Angel Meadow nor of it,s history. However i did know that it had a colourful reputation and as a consequence never ventured there much, i did visit Shudehill and the Shambles in the 1950's but i was on the look out for second hand bargains. Thank you for your comments, it is my intention to expand the current video in the near future.
I just wish my dad was here to share such interesting facts and actual picture of the meadow, he would of been absolutely made up by it.
Informative
Glad my great Grandparents left there and came to Australia, Hughes.
My great great grandfather lived in Angel Meadow and my grandfather was born there. Their house was opposite the Charter Street Working Girls home where a warehouse now stands. Great great grandfather was a beer retailer in those days. The street was then Charter Street and i found the Oxford University excavations fascinating. Those back to back houses with the cellars where the Irish lived together with their family and animals must have been 'hell on earth'.
Hi. thanks for your comments. I was born in Moston my parrents had a pub. My trips to mancheser on the 65 bus took me near this area but i was always told to keep away but i ignored that advice and sadly at 16 years of age i was mugged on Red Bank, silly me. Six months ago i started to research its history and was saddend by what i found out. The TH-cam clip is a short version of my video but i still have an interest in the place and will continue to uncover what i can. Pictures are in short supply. Once again many thanks for you comments Regards BJ
Excellent presentation, thanks.
My grand mother was a Kilcourse and lived in the 'Meadow until she met my granddad who lived in the Greengate tenements. Her elder brother started a stall in the local meat and veg market (my brother had a unit there when it became the village project in the early 80s), but now in my late 70s I can still recall the tales my gran used to tell, many quite naughty and she said that times were hard, but they all worked as a community, something that folks today can take a lesson from
Excellent Video I already knew of Angel Meadows having watched a video on the area by Martin Zero..
Many towns and cities had a area like this when industrial Revolution started and people flooded into already crowded cities. As a Londoner there were many places normally near to obnoxious industry where cheap Jerry built houses were thrown up by unscrupulous landlords
Many persisted into the 20th century Many nears the Docks were flattened by the Luftwaffe and Many people moved out if London to places like Harlow Stevenage and other New Towns.
Thanks for the Informative information, enjoyed it very much👍🏻
What a great video ...thankyou
Thanks for your for your comment. I produced another version same title plus - extended. It delves a little deeper into the history of the area. regards BJ.
Great film, thanks for making it 🤗
Hi C.M. Thanks for taking the time to view Angel Meadow. I have produced an updated EXTENDED version that came about because of the interest created by the first version . Regards BJ
I went to st Cathrines school over the irk ,near the dwellings,, used to call st micheals the flat buriel ground. 1050s . 🇬🇧
I somewhat stumbled across this video and just want to say to you Barry, well done for making it. I work in this area of Manchester and know a bit about the history of the area but your video has helped magnify my view of it greatly. I thank you for it. You may also be interested to know that the car park shown in your footage is currently being excavated in way of a modern development but in doing so has revealed some old brick work and clear outlines of historic buildings beneath the surface right alongside the ragged school. They may not be from the 1800s but a view of the past none the less.
O RC. Thank you so much for your comments on Angel Meadow. As a result of the interest it generated i produced a second video of the same title with (extended) added on. I was born in Moston Manchester but in all the time between 1950s until i made the first video i had never been to Angel Meadow, so i had to let people know about this special place. You may find that the second video introduces more details that could be of interest. many thanks BJ
Found this video very interesting, as I am currently reading
'Angel Meadow: Victorian Britain's Most Savage Slum' by Dean Kirby and had to find out more. What an eye-opener. We have no idea just how lucky we are today, despite troubles of our own. Really feel for those poor people and their plight. We should never forget them. Thank you Barry!
Hi Brita. Thank you for your comments and feelings on Angel Meadow which exactly mirror my own. I am ashamed to admit that even though i lived only 6 miles from this place i knew nothing about it until by chance i came across it. I have made a second extended version that goes into more detail about the conditions those poor people had to endure. Regards BJ
@@SuperBarryjackson Thanks Barry, your account on Angel Meadow is very moving and I keep thinking of those poor people. Such poverty is surely a crime against the human race. How could their 'masters' allow them to live (exist?) in such inhumane conditions? Glad we have moved on, although we still have a lot to do!
Very nice done! Informative and personal.
Thank you for this, it is so interesting. I am a Manchester girl and I have only just heard of Angel Meadow and bought the book which has led me to investigate further. Oh the horrors of times gone by. I now want to learn more of our Manchester history.
Hi Barbs . Thanks for your comments on Angel Meadow. I produced a second version Angel Meadow and St Michaels flags extended, which elaborates on the first version. Good luck with your research. BJ.
Barry Jackson Thank you so much Barry, I will definitely watch your second video and will be watching this one again too. It’s so important what you are doing in telling this history.
Very interesting Thx 👍👍
Thank you for sharing this video.
great video
Very interesting video many thanks. My relatives lived there what an eye opener
Thanks Ben for your comments on Angel M. I was shocked when i researched and shot the vid. I have had so many comments that i made a second vid - manchesters Angel Meadow and St Michaels Flags - this version goes into more detail. regards B.J.
@@SuperBarryjackson Hi Barry many thanks for the swift reply. I’ll have a look at the other video after my Xmas dinner. My mum also has the book by Dean Kirby ‘angel meadow Britain’s most savage slum’, which I will read in the next year.
All the best Barry, Merry Xmas and thanks again.
I'd heard of this about 2 years ago and started looking where it was and thought I knew it. Between the Angel pub and Marble Arch pub. What a nice name for a horrible place. Maybe from when it was fields and maybe owned by someone called Angel? Or was it such a nice place before it became a slum area and got the name? Hard to imagine fields and cattle and sheep when you see it now. Here we have a road called Penny Meadow from Penny's Meadow in the old days.
Absolutely fantastic that was Barry really enjoyed it pal very informative.
Hi Urban. Thanks for you kind comments on Angel Meadow. I was born in 1936, 7 miles from this place. Yet to my shame i only discovered its history a few years ago. So i had to let others know. So many comments have been made that i produced a second extended version that explores the history of this place.
@@SuperBarryjackson Aww brilliant il have to check that pout pal cheers!
Legend keep em coming r kid
Really enjoyed this 👌
Glad you enjoyed
@@SuperBarryjackson Thank you Barry 🙂👍
Great video ! Good effort mate ! Very educational.....
Hi Jowad. Thanks for your comments on Manchesters Angel Meadow. I have had many such comments, so much so, that i posted a second video of the same title but "extended" Feb 18 2015 in which i expand on many of the issues raised in the first Vid. Kind regards BJ.
Barry Jackson 🙏 thankyou for your message , I will definitely check out new video ! Many thanks
VERY GOOD VIDEO WELL DONE
These days many walk these streets totally oblivious of the sorrid past that was this & many other dire slum neighbourhoods in Manchester.
This video is f*ing amazing! Such an insight.
Hi. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow it is much appreciated. I have produced a second version that has been "extended" in an attempt to make the story easier to follow.
The good old days 😮
Good video and when people talk of the good old days i think sometimes they forget how things were for some. Also some religious people in modern times talk about how the world is in a terrible place now and its a sign of the end time, i always say, when would you rather be alive, now, or in the 1700s ? Some things have got worse as a world and many things have improved. Thats my opinion anyway
Really nice video sir
Hi Jim. Thanks for your comment on Angel Meadow, the response in general has been remarkable. I made an updated version which goes into more detail to cover the many questions i was asked about this area of Manchester. Regards BJ
2:04 - the same thing is still going on - landlords are buying houses, turning the rooms into flats, and then letting them out at horribly inflated prices. HMOs I believe they're called.
I'm a bit late to this party, but this is a great video. Really well done and fascinating.
hi Ben. thanks for viewing the vid . I was so moved when i first heard about the people of this place that i had to make the vid.
@@SuperBarryjackson Its an incredible story. They should never be forgotten, and it's people like yourself and Martin Zero who are keeping their memory alive. Thank you.
My father was born in Angel Meadow and lived there until he was 14 when his mother died in childbirth
Hi Suzy.Thank you for taking the time to view the video. I came upon the dreadful story of The Meadow late in life even though i lived only 6 miles away. My parents put the area, Off limits, to me. But i am glad i have now told the story, so much so that i have made a longer version because of the interest it created. Kind regards B.J
First heard of this via Martin Zero...
Anyone remember ,The Exile of Erin Pub, in Angle Meadow
My Family had the Exile of Erin pub. Tevnan
100 people to one toilet? Thats one turd every 24 mins! Thats over 24 hours. 12 hour day one every 10 mins! I bet the seat was always warm though, I spose thats why germs spread cuz it was always warm? Nice video by the way.
Imagine the lineup for the loo in the morning... I bet many just didn't bother waiting and just emptied their pot into the street...
Super video, thanks Barry. I did a walk with a group of friends last Sunday with www.manchesterguidedtours.com/ which was entitled Victorian Slums and Squalor and it was all around the Angel Meadow area. It was super and your video has put the finishing touches to it nicely, not least because of the images you have used. Thanks again. Mark
0:51 fair play my mothers line was Welsh/Manchester 💯🇬🇧❤️ 1:53
Hi Lee
Thanks for your comments. Sorry, but i have only just got back on line. BT + O2 glitch!!!! Yes i stumbled upon this place by accident and just had to find out more. The version you have is only a précis of the original.I used to avoid this place as a child because of its reputation but now i realise how bad things were for those who lived there. We should all be ashamed of the way they were ignored. People living only a couple of miles away never new or cared about thr plight of those living in this overpopulated and deprived part of Manchester,made all the worse because Manchester was otherwise such an affulent place at that time.
Could any tell me if lower tebert street was in the Angel meadow 👍
Ah, the good ol' days.