Pre-Soul society arc, Ichigo reacts to the Menos firing a cero, which is a beam of light, and blocks it. That puts him at roughly relativistic speeds _before he even gets his own Soul Reaper Powers awakened!_ End of Soul Society arc, various characters, including an _energy drained Hisagi_ evade the negacion that retrieves Aizen and company, which the Head Captain _specifically describes_ as light, which means that, even if you don't accept the aforementioned Cero speed feat, it's undeniable that even a Soul Society Arc Lieutennant _who has just been drained of his spirit energy_ is casually relativistic. A few episodes before this point, Ichigo blocks the Sogyoku's thrust, in Shikai, fairly casually. The Sogyoku is stated by Aizen to be capable of wiping out the Soul Society, and multiple other knowledgeable characters don't have even a moment of doubt that the Sogyoku could accomplish exactly that. Even if we seriously lowball this to only include the Seretei and the Rukongai districts, that still puts it at a Small Country level feat, considering the sheer scale of the Rukongai. Again, this is pre-bankai Ichigo, blocking this with minimal effort. Also, you're making the mistake of assuming that the durability of the buildings, ground, etcetera of the Soul Society is the same as the world of the living when assessing the damage done there, which is a questionable assumption at best when you're talking about structures and terrain made up entirely of spirit particles. You're _seriously_ lowballing all of Bleach to a massive degree here.
Where in the manga is it stated to be a beam of light. That thing is a beam of spirit energy. Spirit energy doesn’t have a set speed. So, it doesn’t follow the logic. The name doesn’t even say something that has to do with light. It’s called Cero, the spanish word for zero. Meaning it has to do with their emptiness. The whole AIzen I don’t remember that at all. What’s the exact chapter and page? I’ll reread the whole chapter in the official version to make sure it's not some hyperbole statement again. For the next point I feel like you're taking another hyperbole statement as a fact. If it's never shown to actually do it and math can’t back up your statement it's not a fact. Dude it’s a spirit energy and works in very similar ways to our worlds atoms The only difference is that in the bleach verse you can fly on it and shoot attacks and other shit. When they're literally in our world, fake Karakura town, and the real katakura town their attack works literally the same. Come back when you have facts cause manga panels show most attacks aren’t even city level. If it wasn’t for all the upscaling from multipliers this verse would be much weaker than where I place it at in the end.
@@thepeak6994 Cero is stated to be spiritual light in the databook. You reject the databooks, which is fine, and that's why I provided the feat of exhausted Hisagi casually dodging the Negacion that came down to retrieve Aizen's trio (and the Negacion is _explicitly_ described as light by Yamamoto in that very scene) as supporting evidence, that _yes_ Bleach characters _are_ that fast. You want another feat that demonstrates relativistic to FTL speeds in the Soul Society arc? Here's one for _Uryu._ In the very beginning of Chapter 91, when Orihime is talking about how fast Uryu was when he rescued her. In one panel, Uryu and his shadow are both there. In the next panel, Uryu is gone, and _his shadow is still there on the ground!_ That is _undeniably_ and _bare minimum_ relativistic if not outright FTL. And _obviously_ Soul Society arc Uryu is _nowhere near_ the top tiers of speed in Bleach. You want another FTL speed feat from a fairly low-tier character in the Manga? Aeroneiro, the 9th Espada, in Chapter 266, about 2/3 of the way through the chapter. Rukia breaks down the wall and the light comes streaming in. One panel, the wall is crumbling, next panel, Aeroneiro as Kaien looks over his shoulder at the crumbling wall with his face _marked as in shadow with dots,_ and the next panel, he Sonidos out of there. On top of that, the panel after that, Rukia, _her_ face even still shaded in with dots, is surprised and asks "What?". Only two panels _after_ this do we see Rukia standing in the zone of light created by the wall breaking down, where her face is _no longer shaded in with dots._ This means, that between the light starting to enter the room from the breaking wall, and the light actually _reaching_ Aeroneiro and Rukia _at light speed,_ Aeroneiro turned, saw the light coming, _dodged_ to the other side of the room, _and_ Rukia realized this was something important, _all before the light from the crumbling opening actually reached them!_ And again, the 9th Espada and Rukia when she fought him are _nowhere near_ the top tiers of speed in the Bleach universe. Frankly, add all these things and more up, and the databook statement that Ceros are spiritual light, and therefore we can infer them to be lightspeed _at base,_ is _entirely_ consistent in universe. Anyone who isn't arguing for Bleach to be casually FTL isn't paying close enough attention. The claim that the Sogyoku would be used to destroy the Soul Society was in Aizen's letter that he wrote to Hinamori that Hitsugaya investigated, describing the fake plan of the Captain that supposedly killed him. Not sure how you managed to forget this, considering it was a major plot point of the Soul Society arc. Yes, it was a letter filled with lies, but the part about the Sogyoku destroying the Soul Society was _completely believable_ to characters who would know better than nearly anyone else in the series exactly what the Sogyoku was capable of. Also, by the same logic you're using, Super-Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta wouldn't even be planetary, because the planet they fought Broly on didn't get simply obliterated in their crossfire, even though we know that a much weaker version of Goku literally shook the Universe 7 Macrocosm when clashing with Beerus. It's called people controlling their attacks as best they can to avoid causing excessive collateral damage, something that we've seen, through Gentei Kaijo, the area freeze Yumichika mentioned during Ikakku's fight against Grimmjow's fraccione, and the entire "Fake" part of the fake Karakura town arc, Soul Society is _extremely_ conscious of and proactive about. Royd as fake-Ywach said himself of Yamamoto's Bankai, that if he wasn't using Blut, he'd have turned to ash even at the distance he was at, and this is a _highly_ powerful Sternritter who, given how durability works in Bleach, would be _extremely_ superhumanly durable at _base._ If the environment isn't responding how you'd expect to a miniature Sun being dropped into it, then the environment is stronger than you're giving it credit for, _and/or_ Yamamoto is doing his best to avoid collateral damage and keep the heat contained as close to himself as possible. _And yet still_ Unohana is hoping Yama will finish the fight quickly, because if he doesn't _everyone dies!_ Why would she even _think_ that independent of an enemy to intimidate if it _wasn't_ a legitimate concern? That's before we get to your calc for the Soul King's palace, which I think we can safely assume is fortified and structurally reinforced to a degree that is literally out of this world, and would therefore likely be a far more impressive feat than you're giving it credit for. Tell me this, which do you think is more powerful, end of series Ichigo's getsuga, or Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra's lance attack explosion? Because given the distance it exploded at and how large it still appeared, that explosion was likely the same size as the exterior of Las Noches itself, if not larger. Given Nel's three day walk to the entrance statement when Ichigo and Renji busted down the wall to enter Las Noches, the exterior of Las Noches is _bare minimum lowballed to the extreme_ about the size of the State of Rhode Island. However large you think the explosion itself may have been, it's undeniable that the shockwaves from the explosion caused an absolutely _enormous_ tsunami of sand across an area _far_ larger than Las Noches' exterior, which means _far_ larger than the state of Rhode Island _as a bare minimum extreme lowball!_ Considering that Nukemap can't go past 100 Megatons, and 100 megatons isn't even _remotely close_ to enough force to account for that _massive_ tsunami of sand reaching _that far,_ this means that Ulquiorra's second release lance carried within it a destructive force _so far_ in excess of 100 megatons that it's ridiculous, _and this is still as an extreme lowball!_ And Vasto Lorde Ichigo _crushed it with his bare hand!_ Now, are you going to suggest to me, that True Shikai Ichigo, who is _stronger_ than Vasto Lorde Ichigo, would have a _lower_ destruction potency than _Ulquiorra,_ whom Vasto Lorde Ichigo destroyed at _less than half power,_ considering the state of Vasto Lorde Ichigo's Shihakshou? After all, that Shihakshou was in roughly the same condition, if not _worse_ than it was when Ichigo pointed out to Unohana that he was at less then half strength while they were running back to Karakura town through the Dangai together. Do you maybe see now why I say you're lowballing Bleach to a pretty extreme degree?
@@kamamara2567 Thanks. But really, no need to insult ThePeak by calling him a clown. Bleach's power scaling really isn't in-your-face about it most of the time. Also, quite frankly the original anime doesn't do a good job of representing Bleach's power. Like for example, the 9th Espada/Rukia FTL feat is just _outright_ not animated accurately to the source material. On top of that, some of the Arrancar arc scaling is very weird at first glance, and that can generate some confusion. A lot of this stuff is really easy to miss if you're not specifically keeping in mind the implications for powerscaling while reading every fight, and paying attention to every detail, so I don't blame ThePeak for missing these things. Well, except for the destruction potency thing. I do blame him for missing that. Given the scale of Ulquiorra's attack shown in a shot from likely much higher than the cruising altitude of a passenger plane, there really is no excuse for thinking the destruction capacity of one of the three strongest characters in the _series_ is _only_ slightly stronger than the Tsar Bomba. Sure, Getsuga Tenshou and Lanza Del Relampago are not the same thing and do not function the same way, but Ulquiorra says Black Getsuga is very similar to Cero, before firing a Cero Oscuras at Ichigo and creating a massive explosion with it. Given that, it stands to reason a Getsuga Tenshou could probably generate an explosion too if Ichigo fired one off unrestrained. Even if it can't (and I'm pretty sure we've seen it can in other scenes) we've seen various Ceros create explosions, and Ichigo can certainly fire a Cero using his hollow side, even though while consciously in control he prefers, or at least is more practiced with, Getsuga Tenshou. Therefore, though we don't see it, we can deductively reason that TYBW Ichigo, who is far stronger than Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra ever was, would be perfectly capable of generating a similar if not even greater explosion. So, yeah, I can excuse the other lowballs as ThePeak simply missing a lot of those admittedly very easy-to-miss details, but the absolute joke of an analysis of Ichigo's destructive potency was just ridiculous, considering that the Ulquiorra fight _exists_ and is such a prominent fight in the series on top of that. And in case anyone is wondering how I got Las Noches to the minimum size of Rhode Island? Here's the Calc. Nel says Las Noches has an entrance 3 days walk to the right of where they are. This likely means the entrance is closer to the right than to the left, but for the sake of lowballing, let's assume that's not true, and the entrance is on the exact opposite side of Las Noches from where they are. Now, let's assume they're moving at only half of the walking speed of your average human to account for Nel's short little legs, so 2 miles per hour, and _also_ assume that they're only walking for 10 out of the 24 hours of each of those three days. Considering this is a hollow who has various aspects of superhuman physiology making this statement, both of these assumptions are very likely lowballs, but let's run with them anyway. 2 mph x 10 hours/day x 3 days = 60 miles as the absolute bare minimum to travel to a location that is, at the farthest, the exact opposite side of Las Noches. If Las Noches is roughly square-shaped, that gives you a Las Noches which has an exterior covering 900 square miles, and if it's roughly circle-shaped, that's an area of about 1145 square miles. Rhode Island's land area, not including its coastal waters, is roughly 1033 square miles, so about halfway between those two possible areas for Las Noches depending on shape. If Nel can keep up with normal human walking speed of roughly 4 miles per hour, then the area of Las Noches quadruples to slightly smaller than the land area of Connecticut. If they ride Bawabawa and what Nel meant was a 3-day trip on him, considering that's how they were traveling before that point, then Las Noches suddenly gets _much_ bigger by an impossible-to-determine amount. If due to hollow physiology Nel doesn't need much in the way of rest or sustenance, and they're walking for much _more_ than 10 hours per day, then again, Las Noches becomes _much_ bigger by an impossible-to-determine amount, and frankly I consider this to be extremely likely. After all, during the extended period of time they're in Las Noches, long enough for the science division to _build the fake Karakura Town out in the Soul Society wilderness_ and Urahara to prepare to _swap the whole thing across dimensions,_ when do we see _any_ of them rest? As another thing, if the entrance Nel is pointing to is, say, only halfway around Las Noches rather than on the exact opposite side from them, then _once again_ independent of _any of these_ other factors I've already mentioned, Las Noches' area _quadruples._ If Nel means walking at normal human speed, and she doesn't need rest due to her hollow physiology, and the entrance to Las Noches is only halfway around rather than all the way on the other side, then Las Noches has an area footprint of roughly _89,000 to 105,000 square miles_ depending on its shape, or in the same ballpark of size as _the state of Wyoming_ or the _entire United Kingdom!_ And this still isn't the maximum size Las Noches _could_ be while still being consistent with Nel's description! If the entrance is only 1/20th of the exterior of Las Noches away, then heck, Las Noches could be the size of _Alaska!_ So yeah, even lowballed as much as is reasonably possible in every way imaginable, Las Noches is still the size of Rhode Island, and could be as big as _Wyoming._ If the latter is the case, Ulquiorra's attack would _absolutely dwarf_ even the Yellowstone Supervolcano having a Super-Eruption by an absolutely _staggering_ amount. Now, I don't _buy_ this, I'd argue that Las Noches is likely to be much closer in size to Rhode Island than Wyoming. After all, if Las Noches were Wyoming size, then the towers in its center would be absolutely invisible from far enough away to see the entirety of Las Noches, and they're not. Problem is, _even if that is correct,_ Ulquiorra's attack would _still_ be much closer in scale and power to a Yellowstone Super-Eruption than a measly Tsar Bomba. This deductively means that _Ichigo's_ destructive capacity is far more similar to a Yellowstone Super-Eruption than the Tsar Bomba.
@@JayRemando no I'm referring to when gremmy created an actual outer space with galaxies in it then throw kenpachi in there Kenpachi cut it down alongside gremmy
Not accurate at all, i mean the video is good but you are saying he is multi continental and puting yamamoto at large city like what? Databooks are there to give us accurate data on everything ab the show so u not taking those into consideration you are just scaling based on ur opinion. Even unohana said in the anime that muken is infinite in size. Yhwach was about to destroy 3++ infinite sized realms including a realm that holds those infinite realm together wichs means its beyond infinite in size. So now calculate how much power yhwaches spiritual presure has to destroy all of those realms cuz he was doin it with his sp only
Yeah cause Ichigo is multi continental same with Yamamoto. I never said he was large city level. I scaled Yamamoto’s Zanka no Tachi from large to large island level per second. At a low end in 20 seconds he’s at country level while in less than 5 seconds he’s at country level. It's a very impressive feat and if given enough time he could definitely be multi-continental. Databooks are always inaccurate. Maybe they would be fine to use if a fanbase like yours wouldn’t be so dead set on metaphorical devices such as metaphors, similes, or hyperbolas are facts. Now onto the Muken point. The Muken isn’t infinite in size. It’s another figure of speech. So Yhwack wasn't about to destroy anything remotely close to infinity. Everything you're telling me only leads me to believe I need to make a video on why the Bleach fanbase can’t read. Feats are all that matter; literary devices are not facts.
you know the bleachtards are mad because this his most engagement between the big 3 scaling he had , great video bro you accurately scaled ichigo, i feel like you cheated naruto a bit but its whatever as long as luffy was getting some love I'm good.
@@JayRemando its not even remotely 1% accurate . this is like saying Goku is not planetary . even ONLY visually this isnt accurate . and with a series like this you cant use just visuals or its a direct contradiction to Bleach’s cosmology .
@@JayRemando Ichigo in Vasto Lorde is Multi-planetary even NOT using the Hellverse movie you can EASILY get him to that level using the espada statements and Ulquiorra fight . look up the video “How Strong is Vasto Lorde Ichigo” by Clyde an ACTUAL professional Bleach Channel
This is the first ishigo video that is actually accurate to the show. I see many videos claiming him to be universal to Multiversal and mftl to infinite speed it's like these people don't even watch the show, they just want to win vs debates with other characters. My only problem is the yamamoto portion I think there is enough evidence to support a planet surface level yamamoto due to evaporating moisture. I also think you can use the lifting feat because yhwach is using his own energy and he uses that same energy within his attacks but other than that I have no problem with the video
watching the show is not paying attention to the entire franchise and its the people that do proper research that say Universal not the people who dont pay attention .
@@aronakwaake2099 bro I'm a dbs die harder fan and I'm not dumb in power scaling This guy scale ichigo based of tybw cause he doesn't have time to watch the original bleach He completely gone over Memories of nobody and hellverse etc and when ichigo transcended aizen Bro ss ichigo in base blitz 3 lieutenant who dodge light and saying tybw ichigo is barely ftl,In the vid he showed kenpachi destroying gremmy meteorite but didnt show kenpachi cutting gremmy's universe,he said ichigo has superhuman stamina when dangai ichigo train in the dangai for 3 months straight Bro this guy clearly doesn't know how to scale If he scale goku he would probably scale bog goku universal which is lowballing
@@aronakwaake2099 if theres evidence and statements regardless of how you feel then its still possible even tho its unlikely thats why its called a highball . the only people that know the meta are proper bleach scalers not people who try to put words in kubos mouth to downplay how powerful they are
@@chrisboricua1911 outerversal is literally a tier that describes most cosmic entities in dc or marvel. Bleach doesn't even have infinite dimensions or scaling above concepts how is anyone outerversal. The highest you can get with maximum wank is 5d based on aizens statement which would only make the complex multiversal.
There is a direct way to scale ichigo Bankai 1 lightning Grimjaw release 10 lightning Uchiora first release 100 lightning Uchiora second release 1000 lightning which is 1/3light speed. Loving your videos ❤
Vasto lorde at full power is 10 times uchiora 3 times light speed Base yamamoto and base aizen is as strong as vasto lorde more or less Bankai yama 30 light
Bro your not even low balling ichigo rn your literally downplay the verse Bro you didnt go over memories of nobody Hellverse etc Or when ichigo transcended aizen Bro first bankai ichigo is ftl (using 5x multipliers) to mftl (using 10x multipliers) Bro you said ichigo has super human stamina when ichigo train in the dangai for 3 months straight,you bring up the meteorite feat and not the universal feat This is clear shows you dont know how to scale
Did you watch the video? I said in the beginning I’m not covering memories of nobody. Watch my other video where I discuss why I don’t consider that movie canon. While Hellverse that movie doesn’t even fit the timeline, read your series before you talk about movies that don’t match the bleach timeline. Or are you one of those guys that believes just cause japan doesn't have a concept for canon it makes it canon. Ichigo’s 1st bankai ain’t even close to FTL. Candice has lightning speed and her speed is written to seem very fast until Ichigo shows up and speeds blitz her. This is an Ichigo who has already had multiple power ups by the way and it's not just him, it's a lot of the characters from the Bleach cast. I just can’t believe he's that fast at max. Dangai Ichigo has Light speed up to FTL reaction speed. Ichigo doesn’t reach FTL until the final arc. How does Ichigo not have superhuman stamina? He literally trains in the dangai for 3 months. Sounds superhuman to me. You must have higher standards than I do for what you consider superhuman but you do you boy. Yeah, bring up an actual feat, not some non-existent headcanon feat. Please please show proof and not some bs hyperbole statements.
@@thepeak6994 learn to scale kid first bankai ichigo is easily mftl, ichigo blitz 3 lieutenant who dodge the negasion the light was about 1.29 to reach and .10 to dodge and if you divide it its 12.9c and ichigo blitz them making him 6.86x faster making ichigo 88.4c with bankai is a 5-10x multipliers making him 884.9c or mftl Memories of nobody is canon it fits perfectly into the manga and the official manga bring up the valley of screams and senna herself,hellverse is debatable if its cannon based of the new hell arc Isshin dad hold the dangai for 3 months or in real bleach time 1 hour in the dangai time moves faster and ichigo train for 3 months with no rest and your saying that's superhuman stamina, saying dangai ichigo is light speed os pure nonsense and frist arc ichigo he literally reacted and dodge light from a menos The movie have to be cannon cause it doesn't have to fit into the timeline of the original manga etc naruto road to ninja Secondly the bleach realm are not planetary but inf or universal in size,hell is a multiverse possibility a inf multiverse via kukuto statement,the valley of screams/kyogoku are possibly 4-5d realms the dangai is a hyperspace Everyone in your comment saying your downplaying the verse how could say ichigo,aizen and yhwach and revalstic to ftl be planetary and and gremmy literally create a universe with 3 galaxies overall your scaling is awful overall this vid is awful I'm not a bleach fan I'm a dbs fan and I can bet you can't scale the verse
Gremmy created a galaxy and kenpachi destroyed it. Making Ichigo scale off of that to at least be galaxy level in attack potency and destructive capability.
It's not a galaxy it's literally just a portal to space. All Kenpachi did was cut a portal to space not the actual space itself. If it was Greemy wouldn't have needed to make clones of himself just to create a meteorite. Greemy is the worst reality warper ever.
@@thepeak6994 Also if we really want to get Ichigo to high levels of AP and power he destroyed a planet sized pocket dimension which is planet levels of AP and DC. But the quincies are much much much stronger than them. They wiped literally almost all of the strongest soul reapers with ease. You could even wank Ichigo to be 5d by saying that Aizen recieved and has an item(the hogyoku which is a 4d object) and then Ichigo get to 5d by the statement of that he is a higher dimensional plane in mugetsu but since he was able to keep up with aizen in the thousand year blood war that would make him 5d still. Making him multiversal.
Most of them I agree with since a lot of it could be scaled higher or lower. The regen one was Aizen getting shot in the stomach while using his Shikai on Yhwach.
@@karshinp7896 That's wishful thinking as it might change the dynamic of the fight too much unless they dial it down given how fast Yhwach beat him. But if Aizen returns for the hell arc Kubo might go all out and show everything.
@@AmbitiousMuscle Yh true. Although now that I think about it he is already merged with his zanpakuto like how ichigo was with mugetsu so he probably can’t even use a bankai anymore, since he’s completely merged with it, being stronger than a bankai in the process.
Ichigo has an island level feat when he spilts the clouds in the fullbring arc which is canon, and that is in fullbring shikai which is demonstrably weaker than true shikai ichigo
All the espada are contient level . even vasto lorde scales hundreds to thousands of times above that even not using hellverse . and thats just espada and vasto lorde ichigo
They scale higher in Cfyow Vol 2 Grimmjow was stated to be capable of destroying Soul society’s Sun with Gran Rey cero making him Star level and he’s stated to be inferior to Baraggan
@@Chillchildren999 thats a new statement ive never heard of where is that stated if that is the case then Aizen is literally Solar System to Galaxy level IN BASE which is obscurely Insanely powerful for just being in base PRE-HOGYOKU
@ChrisBoricua Oh it’s you again my biggest fan thanks for watching my video for the 50th time. You believe what you want to believe, but like I said where are the facts? Also Chris you never heard of it because it's not considered canon by your own fanbase. @Icytwatt I think I even remember hearing it was played off as a joke in the novel. Of course at the end of the day it doesn’t matter cause he doesn’t even scale close to that using the manga.
Idk why they made tybw animqtions like naruto shippuden animations like the fight between orochimaru and hiruzen its like bro i prefer the old animation where they like stop and give time to the animation let them breathe but tybw animations is just like all over the place exceot Naruto is Valid because it actually does fit with the show but bleach bro take one piece fkr example the animations on wano arc is absolutely just wasted its nothing like the fight between luffy and lucy it no longer feel good.
Oh we got another delusional guy. Ichigo ain’t even on Saitama or Goku level. With the feat he’s shown he would struggle against Naruto and would lose more often than he would win. Show facts and not some nonexistent metaphor statements.
@@thepeak6994 ichigo in soul society arc tanked sokyoku and destroyed execution stand ... And sokyoku was stated to be able to destroy entire soul society and have power of 15 millions zanpakuto.. Ichigo at that point exceeded power of million zanpakuto 2. Ichigo destroyed gran rey cero which warps the space of las noches with one swing ... 3. Ichigo destroyed lanza del relampago with one hand the same move which flies the skies of hueco mundo and was much bigger than las noches How big is las noches ?? It takes u 3 days to go from one day to another Literally a small country like Switzerland... Ichigo destroyed kurohitsugi which warps time and space from transcendent aizen with full incantation with one hand . He also tanked transcendent aizen fragor with one hand Pre transcendent aizen killed kototsu who governs time and space with one single look and kototsu cant be killed with spiritual energy confirmed by gin ichimaru and it needs 4th Dimensional AP which is universal... Dangai is hyperspace confirmed by urahara Dangao ichigo destroyed pre transcendent aizen and in manga chalter 417 hollow transcendent aizen himself said mugetsu ichigo is in higher Dimension than him Aizen surpassed hollows ,shinigami, humans, arrancars and mugetsu was beyond that Ichigo also destroyed karakura sized dimension made by yukio with just powering up That dimension was stated to be unbreakable until ginjo ordered it because of fullbringers pact and dimension had a celestial body in it And in the blade and me all the powers he had created until now stated to be fragment of his power And yamamoto bankai was stated to destroy entire soul society.. In manga chapter 555 tenjiro himself said thay if u go down from royal place to seireitei by Normal Shunpo it will take u 7 days to reach So yeah it is definitely bigger than planet.. Yhwach was stated to destroy soul society, Muken - infinite 3 dimensional space confirmed in databooks, cyfow,tybw ep 9 ,manga Unohana said it is an endless shadows and kenpachi said it is endless hell Garganta is infinitely expanding or infinite Dangai Kyogoku a.k.a valley of screams Hueco mundo in data books is described as this a silent world of death an unchanging night covers the sky an endless white desert covers the ground the tree like objects are not plants rather quartz like minerals ... And yhwach was also going to erase the concept of life and death undo what soul king did making a primordial universe and ichigo himself said he is far away from mastering his power ... And adult ichigo scales to yhwach Mastered ichigo will clap naruto verse badly. Jubbidara almost died to might guy who can bend space... Ichigo in dangai took on kido who can warp time and space and destroyed it with one hand ... Naruto in his prime so6p and kcm2 was only able to destroy valley of the end barely and that was also sasuke indra arrow so yeah i know where this is going ... And kensei himself said ichigo have instant regeneration during his training for Hollowfication. Ichigo also evaporated a sea pulling out his zanpakuto
@@thepeak6994 stop downplaying ichigo lol Goku > ichigo > saitama 🤦 First learn power scaling then debate lol Bleach cosmology is way bigger and better then Opm and fodder Naruto
There are relativistic speed feats in the ss arc and yamamoto at island?💀 He was actively destroying a infinite space and he confirmed it himself and so did Unohana. delete this bro 🙏😭
@@jetdragoon7001 You Bleach fans are so stuck up. The reason why you just didn't gave a respectful criticism is because you're jealous at the effort he put into the videos.
Finally someone debunked Ichigo
Pre-Soul society arc, Ichigo reacts to the Menos firing a cero, which is a beam of light, and blocks it. That puts him at roughly relativistic speeds _before he even gets his own Soul Reaper Powers awakened!_ End of Soul Society arc, various characters, including an _energy drained Hisagi_ evade the negacion that retrieves Aizen and company, which the Head Captain _specifically describes_ as light, which means that, even if you don't accept the aforementioned Cero speed feat, it's undeniable that even a Soul Society Arc Lieutennant _who has just been drained of his spirit energy_ is casually relativistic. A few episodes before this point, Ichigo blocks the Sogyoku's thrust, in Shikai, fairly casually. The Sogyoku is stated by Aizen to be capable of wiping out the Soul Society, and multiple other knowledgeable characters don't have even a moment of doubt that the Sogyoku could accomplish exactly that. Even if we seriously lowball this to only include the Seretei and the Rukongai districts, that still puts it at a Small Country level feat, considering the sheer scale of the Rukongai. Again, this is pre-bankai Ichigo, blocking this with minimal effort. Also, you're making the mistake of assuming that the durability of the buildings, ground, etcetera of the Soul Society is the same as the world of the living when assessing the damage done there, which is a questionable assumption at best when you're talking about structures and terrain made up entirely of spirit particles. You're _seriously_ lowballing all of Bleach to a massive degree here.
Where in the manga is it stated to be a beam of light. That thing is a beam of spirit energy. Spirit energy doesn’t have a set speed. So, it doesn’t follow the logic. The name doesn’t even say something that has to do with light. It’s called Cero, the spanish word for zero. Meaning it has to do with their emptiness. The whole AIzen I don’t remember that at all. What’s the exact chapter and page? I’ll reread the whole chapter in the official version to make sure it's not some hyperbole statement again. For the next point I feel like you're taking another hyperbole statement as a fact. If it's never shown to actually do it and math can’t back up your statement it's not a fact. Dude it’s a spirit energy and works in very similar ways to our worlds atoms The only difference is that in the bleach verse you can fly on it and shoot attacks and other shit. When they're literally in our world, fake Karakura town, and the real katakura town their attack works literally the same. Come back when you have facts cause manga panels show most attacks aren’t even city level. If it wasn’t for all the upscaling from multipliers this verse would be much weaker than where I place it at in the end.
@@thepeak6994 Cero is stated to be spiritual light in the databook. You reject the databooks, which is fine, and that's why I provided the feat of exhausted Hisagi casually dodging the Negacion that came down to retrieve Aizen's trio (and the Negacion is _explicitly_ described as light by Yamamoto in that very scene) as supporting evidence, that _yes_ Bleach characters _are_ that fast. You want another feat that demonstrates relativistic to FTL speeds in the Soul Society arc? Here's one for _Uryu._ In the very beginning of Chapter 91, when Orihime is talking about how fast Uryu was when he rescued her. In one panel, Uryu and his shadow are both there. In the next panel, Uryu is gone, and _his shadow is still there on the ground!_ That is _undeniably_ and _bare minimum_ relativistic if not outright FTL. And _obviously_ Soul Society arc Uryu is _nowhere near_ the top tiers of speed in Bleach.
You want another FTL speed feat from a fairly low-tier character in the Manga? Aeroneiro, the 9th Espada, in Chapter 266, about 2/3 of the way through the chapter. Rukia breaks down the wall and the light comes streaming in. One panel, the wall is crumbling, next panel, Aeroneiro as Kaien looks over his shoulder at the crumbling wall with his face _marked as in shadow with dots,_ and the next panel, he Sonidos out of there. On top of that, the panel after that, Rukia, _her_ face even still shaded in with dots, is surprised and asks "What?". Only two panels _after_ this do we see Rukia standing in the zone of light created by the wall breaking down, where her face is _no longer shaded in with dots._ This means, that between the light starting to enter the room from the breaking wall, and the light actually _reaching_ Aeroneiro and Rukia _at light speed,_ Aeroneiro turned, saw the light coming, _dodged_ to the other side of the room, _and_ Rukia realized this was something important, _all before the light from the crumbling opening actually reached them!_ And again, the 9th Espada and Rukia when she fought him are _nowhere near_ the top tiers of speed in the Bleach universe.
Frankly, add all these things and more up, and the databook statement that Ceros are spiritual light, and therefore we can infer them to be lightspeed _at base,_ is _entirely_ consistent in universe. Anyone who isn't arguing for Bleach to be casually FTL isn't paying close enough attention.
The claim that the Sogyoku would be used to destroy the Soul Society was in Aizen's letter that he wrote to Hinamori that Hitsugaya investigated, describing the fake plan of the Captain that supposedly killed him. Not sure how you managed to forget this, considering it was a major plot point of the Soul Society arc. Yes, it was a letter filled with lies, but the part about the Sogyoku destroying the Soul Society was _completely believable_ to characters who would know better than nearly anyone else in the series exactly what the Sogyoku was capable of.
Also, by the same logic you're using, Super-Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta wouldn't even be planetary, because the planet they fought Broly on didn't get simply obliterated in their crossfire, even though we know that a much weaker version of Goku literally shook the Universe 7 Macrocosm when clashing with Beerus. It's called people controlling their attacks as best they can to avoid causing excessive collateral damage, something that we've seen, through Gentei Kaijo, the area freeze Yumichika mentioned during Ikakku's fight against Grimmjow's fraccione, and the entire "Fake" part of the fake Karakura town arc, Soul Society is _extremely_ conscious of and proactive about. Royd as fake-Ywach said himself of Yamamoto's Bankai, that if he wasn't using Blut, he'd have turned to ash even at the distance he was at, and this is a _highly_ powerful Sternritter who, given how durability works in Bleach, would be _extremely_ superhumanly durable at _base._ If the environment isn't responding how you'd expect to a miniature Sun being dropped into it, then the environment is stronger than you're giving it credit for, _and/or_ Yamamoto is doing his best to avoid collateral damage and keep the heat contained as close to himself as possible. _And yet still_ Unohana is hoping Yama will finish the fight quickly, because if he doesn't _everyone dies!_ Why would she even _think_ that independent of an enemy to intimidate if it _wasn't_ a legitimate concern?
That's before we get to your calc for the Soul King's palace, which I think we can safely assume is fortified and structurally reinforced to a degree that is literally out of this world, and would therefore likely be a far more impressive feat than you're giving it credit for. Tell me this, which do you think is more powerful, end of series Ichigo's getsuga, or Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra's lance attack explosion? Because given the distance it exploded at and how large it still appeared, that explosion was likely the same size as the exterior of Las Noches itself, if not larger. Given Nel's three day walk to the entrance statement when Ichigo and Renji busted down the wall to enter Las Noches, the exterior of Las Noches is _bare minimum lowballed to the extreme_ about the size of the State of Rhode Island. However large you think the explosion itself may have been, it's undeniable that the shockwaves from the explosion caused an absolutely _enormous_ tsunami of sand across an area _far_ larger than Las Noches' exterior, which means _far_ larger than the state of Rhode Island _as a bare minimum extreme lowball!_ Considering that Nukemap can't go past 100 Megatons, and 100 megatons isn't even _remotely close_ to enough force to account for that _massive_ tsunami of sand reaching _that far,_ this means that Ulquiorra's second release lance carried within it a destructive force _so far_ in excess of 100 megatons that it's ridiculous, _and this is still as an extreme lowball!_ And Vasto Lorde Ichigo _crushed it with his bare hand!_ Now, are you going to suggest to me, that True Shikai Ichigo, who is _stronger_ than Vasto Lorde Ichigo, would have a _lower_ destruction potency than _Ulquiorra,_ whom Vasto Lorde Ichigo destroyed at _less than half power,_ considering the state of Vasto Lorde Ichigo's Shihakshou? After all, that Shihakshou was in roughly the same condition, if not _worse_ than it was when Ichigo pointed out to Unohana that he was at less then half strength while they were running back to Karakura town through the Dangai together.
Do you maybe see now why I say you're lowballing Bleach to a pretty extreme degree?
@@redfalcongamer1422 you bodied the clown 😭
@@kamamara2567 Thanks. But really, no need to insult ThePeak by calling him a clown. Bleach's power scaling really isn't in-your-face about it most of the time. Also, quite frankly the original anime doesn't do a good job of representing Bleach's power. Like for example, the 9th Espada/Rukia FTL feat is just _outright_ not animated accurately to the source material. On top of that, some of the Arrancar arc scaling is very weird at first glance, and that can generate some confusion. A lot of this stuff is really easy to miss if you're not specifically keeping in mind the implications for powerscaling while reading every fight, and paying attention to every detail, so I don't blame ThePeak for missing these things.
Well, except for the destruction potency thing. I do blame him for missing that. Given the scale of Ulquiorra's attack shown in a shot from likely much higher than the cruising altitude of a passenger plane, there really is no excuse for thinking the destruction capacity of one of the three strongest characters in the _series_ is _only_ slightly stronger than the Tsar Bomba. Sure, Getsuga Tenshou and Lanza Del Relampago are not the same thing and do not function the same way, but Ulquiorra says Black Getsuga is very similar to Cero, before firing a Cero Oscuras at Ichigo and creating a massive explosion with it. Given that, it stands to reason a Getsuga Tenshou could probably generate an explosion too if Ichigo fired one off unrestrained. Even if it can't (and I'm pretty sure we've seen it can in other scenes) we've seen various Ceros create explosions, and Ichigo can certainly fire a Cero using his hollow side, even though while consciously in control he prefers, or at least is more practiced with, Getsuga Tenshou. Therefore, though we don't see it, we can deductively reason that TYBW Ichigo, who is far stronger than Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra ever was, would be perfectly capable of generating a similar if not even greater explosion. So, yeah, I can excuse the other lowballs as ThePeak simply missing a lot of those admittedly very easy-to-miss details, but the absolute joke of an analysis of Ichigo's destructive potency was just ridiculous, considering that the Ulquiorra fight _exists_ and is such a prominent fight in the series on top of that.
And in case anyone is wondering how I got Las Noches to the minimum size of Rhode Island? Here's the Calc. Nel says Las Noches has an entrance 3 days walk to the right of where they are. This likely means the entrance is closer to the right than to the left, but for the sake of lowballing, let's assume that's not true, and the entrance is on the exact opposite side of Las Noches from where they are. Now, let's assume they're moving at only half of the walking speed of your average human to account for Nel's short little legs, so 2 miles per hour, and _also_ assume that they're only walking for 10 out of the 24 hours of each of those three days. Considering this is a hollow who has various aspects of superhuman physiology making this statement, both of these assumptions are very likely lowballs, but let's run with them anyway. 2 mph x 10 hours/day x 3 days = 60 miles as the absolute bare minimum to travel to a location that is, at the farthest, the exact opposite side of Las Noches. If Las Noches is roughly square-shaped, that gives you a Las Noches which has an exterior covering 900 square miles, and if it's roughly circle-shaped, that's an area of about 1145 square miles. Rhode Island's land area, not including its coastal waters, is roughly 1033 square miles, so about halfway between those two possible areas for Las Noches depending on shape.
If Nel can keep up with normal human walking speed of roughly 4 miles per hour, then the area of Las Noches quadruples to slightly smaller than the land area of Connecticut. If they ride Bawabawa and what Nel meant was a 3-day trip on him, considering that's how they were traveling before that point, then Las Noches suddenly gets _much_ bigger by an impossible-to-determine amount. If due to hollow physiology Nel doesn't need much in the way of rest or sustenance, and they're walking for much _more_ than 10 hours per day, then again, Las Noches becomes _much_ bigger by an impossible-to-determine amount, and frankly I consider this to be extremely likely. After all, during the extended period of time they're in Las Noches, long enough for the science division to _build the fake Karakura Town out in the Soul Society wilderness_ and Urahara to prepare to _swap the whole thing across dimensions,_ when do we see _any_ of them rest? As another thing, if the entrance Nel is pointing to is, say, only halfway around Las Noches rather than on the exact opposite side from them, then _once again_ independent of _any of these_ other factors I've already mentioned, Las Noches' area _quadruples._
If Nel means walking at normal human speed, and she doesn't need rest due to her hollow physiology, and the entrance to Las Noches is only halfway around rather than all the way on the other side, then Las Noches has an area footprint of roughly _89,000 to 105,000 square miles_ depending on its shape, or in the same ballpark of size as _the state of Wyoming_ or the _entire United Kingdom!_ And this still isn't the maximum size Las Noches _could_ be while still being consistent with Nel's description! If the entrance is only 1/20th of the exterior of Las Noches away, then heck, Las Noches could be the size of _Alaska!_
So yeah, even lowballed as much as is reasonably possible in every way imaginable, Las Noches is still the size of Rhode Island, and could be as big as _Wyoming._ If the latter is the case, Ulquiorra's attack would _absolutely dwarf_ even the Yellowstone Supervolcano having a Super-Eruption by an absolutely _staggering_ amount. Now, I don't _buy_ this, I'd argue that Las Noches is likely to be much closer in size to Rhode Island than Wyoming. After all, if Las Noches were Wyoming size, then the towers in its center would be absolutely invisible from far enough away to see the entirety of Las Noches, and they're not. Problem is, _even if that is correct,_ Ulquiorra's attack would _still_ be much closer in scale and power to a Yellowstone Super-Eruption than a measly Tsar Bomba. This deductively means that _Ichigo's_ destructive capacity is far more similar to a Yellowstone Super-Eruption than the Tsar Bomba.
@@redfalcongamer1422 you can just use Gremmy to scale Ichigo it’s far easier
Lol finally someone who actually scales Ichigo correctly. Great video!
He did not scale ichigo correctly
@@kidgoku3763 Yes he did.
@@mistercontroversial no he didn’t ichigo is way stronger than where he put it.
@@kidgoku3763 Nope.
@@mistercontroversial where do you scale ichigo?
I think you're downplaying him a bit too much....
Really? How so? I think it's a good judgement through visual and mathematical conclusions.
IMO
@@JayRemando ignoring multiple feats that can put him above planetary such as gremmy creating an outer and kenpachi cutting it in his shikai
@@Someone-ds7vy the meteor wasn't as big as a planet.
It wasn't even as big as pluto
How is that planetary?
@@JayRemando no I'm referring to when gremmy created an actual outer space with galaxies in it then throw kenpachi in there
Kenpachi cut it down alongside gremmy
@@Someone-ds7vy ahuh. And how big was that galaxy?
I don't think it's even more than 1% of our Milky way galaxy.
Not sure I agree with the speed calculations but honestly I'm just glad you're not claiming he's multiple times ftl
Thanks and completely agree multiples times FTL is a joke.
Not accurate at all, i mean the video is good but you are saying he is multi continental and puting yamamoto at large city like what? Databooks are there to give us accurate data on everything ab the show so u not taking those into consideration you are just scaling based on ur opinion. Even unohana said in the anime that muken is infinite in size. Yhwach was about to destroy 3++ infinite sized realms including a realm that holds those infinite realm together wichs means its beyond infinite in size. So now calculate how much power yhwaches spiritual presure has to destroy all of those realms cuz he was doin it with his sp only
Yeah cause Ichigo is multi continental same with Yamamoto. I never said he was large city level. I scaled Yamamoto’s Zanka no Tachi from large to large island level per second. At a low end in 20 seconds he’s at country level while in less than 5 seconds he’s at country level. It's a very impressive feat and if given enough time he could definitely be multi-continental. Databooks are always inaccurate. Maybe they would be fine to use if a fanbase like yours wouldn’t be so dead set on metaphorical devices such as metaphors, similes, or hyperbolas are facts. Now onto the Muken point. The Muken isn’t infinite in size. It’s another figure of speech. So Yhwack wasn't about to destroy anything remotely close to infinity. Everything you're telling me only leads me to believe I need to make a video on why the Bleach fanbase can’t read. Feats are all that matter; literary devices are not facts.
you know the bleachtards are mad because this his most engagement between the big 3 scaling he had , great video bro you accurately scaled ichigo, i feel like you cheated naruto a bit but its whatever as long as luffy was getting some love I'm good.
I know I’m late but this was such an inaccurate scale of ichigo
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after watching this … this is arguably worse then Death Battle
That’s literally what I was thinking
Really? How so?
He's basing it off through visual and mathematical conclusions
So I think it's decent and accurate to a degree Imo
@@JayRemando its not even remotely 1% accurate . this is like saying Goku is not planetary . even ONLY visually this isnt accurate . and with a series like this you cant use just visuals or its a direct contradiction to Bleach’s cosmology .
@@chrisboricua1911 that's not enough information to go through man
How is Ichigo near planetary?
@@JayRemando Ichigo in Vasto Lorde is Multi-planetary even NOT using the Hellverse movie you can EASILY get him to that level using the espada statements and Ulquiorra fight . look up the video “How Strong is Vasto Lorde Ichigo” by Clyde an ACTUAL professional Bleach Channel
Nah, you finna blow up.
This is the first ishigo video that is actually accurate to the show. I see many videos claiming him to be universal to Multiversal and mftl to infinite speed it's like these people don't even watch the show, they just want to win vs debates with other characters. My only problem is the yamamoto portion I think there is enough evidence to support a planet surface level yamamoto due to evaporating moisture. I also think you can use the lifting feat because yhwach is using his own energy and he uses that same energy within his attacks but other than that I have no problem with the video
watching the show is not paying attention to the entire franchise and its the people that do proper research that say Universal not the people who dont pay attention .
@@chrisboricua1911 I have been proven wrong by facts an logic
@@aronakwaake2099 bro this is a dumb scale and I'm not a bleach fan
@@giodonn5172 says they are not a bleach fan. Proceeds to say the scale is dumb🤡
@@aronakwaake2099 bro I'm a dbs die harder fan and I'm not dumb in power scaling
This guy scale ichigo based of tybw cause he doesn't have time to watch the original bleach
He completely gone over
Memories of nobody and hellverse etc and when ichigo transcended aizen
Bro ss ichigo in base blitz 3 lieutenant who dodge light and saying tybw ichigo is barely ftl,In the vid he showed kenpachi destroying gremmy meteorite but didnt show kenpachi cutting gremmy's universe,he said ichigo has superhuman stamina when dangai ichigo train in the dangai for 3 months straight
Bro this guy clearly doesn't know how to scale
If he scale goku he would probably scale bog goku universal which is lowballing
its the meta so you should know where to properly scale him
lowball: Large Multi Galaxy+
midball: Multiversal
highball: outerversal
How is outerversal highball. That's just wank
@@aronakwaake2099 if theres evidence and statements regardless of how you feel then its still possible even tho its unlikely thats why its called a highball . the only people that know the meta are proper bleach scalers not people who try to put words in kubos mouth to downplay how powerful they are
@@chrisboricua1911 do you even know what outerversal means?
@@aronakwaake2099 existence and power outside of the multiverse its in the name
@@chrisboricua1911 outerversal is literally a tier that describes most cosmic entities in dc or marvel. Bleach doesn't even have infinite dimensions or scaling above concepts how is anyone outerversal. The highest you can get with maximum wank is 5d based on aizens statement which would only make the complex multiversal.
There is a direct way to scale ichigo
Bankai 1 lightning
Grimjaw release 10 lightning
Uchiora first release 100 lightning
Uchiora second release 1000 lightning which is 1/3light speed.
Loving your videos ❤
Interesting way to scale. Thanks, I appreciate the response.
Vasto lorde at full power is 10 times uchiora 3 times light speed
Base yamamoto and base aizen is as strong as vasto lorde more or less
Bankai yama 30 light
Also how do you scale blood war aizen
Bro your not even low balling ichigo rn your literally downplay the verse
Bro you didnt go over memories of nobody
Hellverse etc
Or when ichigo transcended aizen
Bro first bankai ichigo is ftl (using 5x multipliers) to mftl (using 10x multipliers)
Bro you said ichigo has super human stamina when ichigo train in the dangai for 3 months straight,you bring up the meteorite feat and not the universal feat
This is clear shows you dont know how to scale
Did you watch the video? I said in the beginning I’m not covering memories of nobody. Watch my other video where I discuss why I don’t consider that movie canon. While Hellverse that movie doesn’t even fit the timeline, read your series before you talk about movies that don’t match the bleach timeline. Or are you one of those guys that believes just cause japan doesn't have a concept for canon it makes it canon.
Ichigo’s 1st bankai ain’t even close to FTL. Candice has lightning speed and her speed is written to seem very fast until Ichigo shows up and speeds blitz her. This is an Ichigo who has already had multiple power ups by the way and it's not just him, it's a lot of the characters from the Bleach cast. I just can’t believe he's that fast at max. Dangai Ichigo has Light speed up to FTL reaction speed. Ichigo doesn’t reach FTL until the final arc.
How does Ichigo not have superhuman stamina? He literally trains in the dangai for 3 months. Sounds superhuman to me. You must have higher standards than I do for what you consider superhuman but you do you boy.
Yeah, bring up an actual feat, not some non-existent headcanon feat. Please please show proof and not some bs hyperbole statements.
@@thepeak6994 learn to scale kid first bankai ichigo is easily mftl, ichigo blitz 3 lieutenant who dodge the negasion
the light was about 1.29 to reach and .10 to dodge and if you divide it its 12.9c and ichigo blitz them making him 6.86x faster making ichigo 88.4c with bankai is a 5-10x multipliers making him 884.9c or mftl
Memories of nobody is canon it fits perfectly into the manga and the official manga bring up the valley of screams and senna herself,hellverse is debatable if its cannon based of the new hell arc
Isshin dad hold the dangai for 3 months or in real bleach time 1 hour in the dangai time moves faster and ichigo train for 3 months with no rest and your saying that's superhuman stamina, saying dangai ichigo is light speed os pure nonsense and frist arc ichigo he literally reacted and dodge light from a menos
The movie have to be cannon cause it doesn't have to fit into the timeline of the original manga etc naruto road to ninja
Secondly the bleach realm are not planetary but inf or universal in size,hell is a multiverse possibility a inf multiverse via kukuto statement,the valley of screams/kyogoku are possibly 4-5d realms the dangai is a hyperspace
Everyone in your comment saying your downplaying the verse how could say ichigo,aizen and yhwach and revalstic to ftl be planetary and and gremmy literally create a universe with 3 galaxies overall your scaling is awful overall this vid is awful I'm not a bleach fan I'm a dbs fan and I can bet you can't scale the verse
@@giodonn5172 bodied the virgin 😭
@@kamamara2567 lmao bro he can't scale
Gremmy created a galaxy and kenpachi destroyed it. Making Ichigo scale off of that to at least be galaxy level in attack potency and destructive capability.
It's not a galaxy it's literally just a portal to space. All Kenpachi did was cut a portal to space not the actual space itself. If it was Greemy wouldn't have needed to make clones of himself just to create a meteorite. Greemy is the worst reality warper ever.
@@thepeak6994 He created a pocket dimension that is a galaxy not a portal.
@@thepeak6994 Also if we really want to get Ichigo to high levels of AP and power he destroyed a planet sized pocket dimension which is planet levels of AP and DC. But the quincies are much much much stronger than them. They wiped literally almost all of the strongest soul reapers with ease. You could even wank Ichigo to be 5d by saying that Aizen recieved and has an item(the hogyoku which is a 4d object) and then Ichigo get to 5d by the statement of that he is a higher dimensional plane in mugetsu but since he was able to keep up with aizen in the thousand year blood war that would make him 5d still. Making him multiversal.
@@thepeak6994 Even discounting that the hogyoku is 4d there is a blatant statement that Ichigo was 4d so he is at least 4d now.
@@thepeak6994 Also the low ball on the speed is insane
Most of them I agree with since a lot of it could be scaled higher or lower. The regen one was Aizen getting shot in the stomach while using his Shikai on Yhwach.
The days when we wondered what Aizen’s bankai was🙃. I pray that their is even a glimmer of hope that we can see it in the TYBW anime
@@karshinp7896 That's wishful thinking as it might change the dynamic of the fight too much unless they dial it down given how fast Yhwach beat him. But if Aizen returns for the hell arc Kubo might go all out and show everything.
@@AmbitiousMuscle Yh true. Although now that I think about it he is already merged with his zanpakuto like how ichigo was with mugetsu so he probably can’t even use a bankai anymore, since he’s completely merged with it, being stronger than a bankai in the process.
@@karshinp7896 makes sense when you think about it since his shikari is in a constant released state atp.
@@AmbitiousMuscle indeed. It’s like he’s in his own version of mugetsu, just with kyoka.
Ichigo has an island level feat when he spilts the clouds in the fullbring arc which is canon, and that is in fullbring shikai which is demonstrably weaker than true shikai ichigo
All the espada are contient level . even vasto lorde scales hundreds to thousands of times above that even not using hellverse . and thats just espada and vasto lorde ichigo
They scale higher in Cfyow Vol 2 Grimmjow was stated to be capable of destroying Soul society’s Sun with Gran Rey cero making him Star level and he’s stated to be inferior to Baraggan
@@Chillchildren999 thats a new statement ive never heard of where is that stated if that is the case then Aizen is literally Solar System to Galaxy level IN BASE which is obscurely Insanely powerful for just being in base PRE-HOGYOKU
@ChrisBoricua Oh it’s you again my biggest fan thanks for watching my video for the 50th time. You believe what you want to believe, but like I said where are the facts? Also Chris you never heard of it because it's not considered canon by your own fanbase.
@Icytwatt I think I even remember hearing it was played off as a joke in the novel. Of course at the end of the day it doesn’t matter cause he doesn’t even scale close to that using the manga.
No one beat Ichigo in terms of drip.
this is facts! Even tho the akatsuki drip is cold. Ichigo is different XD
Idk why they made tybw animqtions like naruto shippuden animations like the fight between orochimaru and hiruzen its like bro i prefer the old animation where they like stop and give time to the animation let them breathe but tybw animations is just like all over the place exceot Naruto is Valid because it actually does fit with the show but bleach bro take one piece fkr example the animations on wano arc is absolutely just wasted its nothing like the fight between luffy and lucy it no longer feel good.
Ahhh....okay not sure how to respond to that, but sure.
I kind of think he’s lowballing a bit but overall W video👍
Thanks
Bro nerfed ichigo hard 😂😂
Ichigoat is universal+ to multiversal in manga
I think this dude don't know about manga
Oh we got another delusional guy. Ichigo ain’t even on Saitama or Goku level. With the feat he’s shown he would struggle against Naruto and would lose more often than he would win.
Show facts and not some nonexistent metaphor statements.
@@thepeak6994 ichigo in soul society arc tanked sokyoku and destroyed execution stand ...
And sokyoku was stated to be able to destroy entire soul society and have power of 15 millions zanpakuto..
Ichigo at that point exceeded power of million zanpakuto
2. Ichigo destroyed gran rey cero which warps the space of las noches with one swing ...
3. Ichigo destroyed lanza del relampago with one hand the same move which flies the skies of hueco mundo and was much bigger than las noches
How big is las noches ??
It takes u 3 days to go from one day to another
Literally a small country like Switzerland...
Ichigo destroyed kurohitsugi which warps time and space from transcendent aizen with full incantation with one hand .
He also tanked transcendent aizen fragor with one hand
Pre transcendent aizen killed kototsu who governs time and space with one single look and kototsu cant be killed with spiritual energy confirmed by gin ichimaru and it needs 4th Dimensional AP which is universal...
Dangai is hyperspace confirmed by urahara
Dangao ichigo destroyed pre transcendent aizen and in manga chalter 417 hollow transcendent aizen himself said mugetsu ichigo is in higher Dimension than him Aizen surpassed hollows ,shinigami, humans, arrancars and mugetsu was beyond that
Ichigo also destroyed karakura sized dimension made by yukio with just powering up That dimension was stated to be unbreakable until ginjo ordered it because of fullbringers pact and dimension had a celestial body in it
And in the blade and me all the powers he had created until now stated to be fragment of his power
And yamamoto bankai was stated to destroy entire soul society..
In manga chapter 555 tenjiro himself said thay if u go down from royal place to seireitei by Normal Shunpo it will take u 7 days to reach
So yeah it is definitely bigger than planet..
Yhwach was stated to destroy soul society,
Muken - infinite 3 dimensional space confirmed in databooks, cyfow,tybw ep 9 ,manga
Unohana said it is an endless shadows and kenpachi said it is endless hell
Garganta is infinitely expanding or infinite
Dangai
Kyogoku a.k.a valley of screams
Hueco mundo in data books is described as this a silent world of death an unchanging night covers the sky an endless white desert covers the ground the tree like objects are not plants rather quartz like minerals ...
And yhwach was also going to erase the concept of life and death undo what soul king did making a primordial universe and ichigo himself said he is far away from mastering his power ...
And adult ichigo scales to yhwach
Mastered ichigo will clap naruto verse badly.
Jubbidara almost died to might guy who can bend space...
Ichigo in dangai took on kido who can warp time and space and destroyed it with one hand ...
Naruto in his prime so6p and kcm2 was only able to destroy valley of the end barely and that was also sasuke indra arrow so yeah i know where this is going ...
And kensei himself said ichigo have instant regeneration during his training for Hollowfication.
Ichigo also evaporated a sea pulling out his zanpakuto
@@thepeak6994 stop downplaying ichigo lol
Goku > ichigo > saitama 🤦
First learn power scaling then debate lol
Bleach cosmology is way bigger and better then
Opm and fodder Naruto
@@rishu4139 w
Respect for writing a paragraph to educate this fool 😂
@@yashmehta4087 bro think ichigo will even struggle against naruto 😂😂
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Yea this ain’t it bro 😂😂😂
Ahhhhh……okay???
Yeah this actually sucks💀
There are relativistic speed feats in the ss arc and yamamoto at island?💀 He was actively destroying a infinite space and he confirmed it himself and so did Unohana. delete this bro 🙏😭
@@jetdragoon7001 You Bleach fans are so stuck up. The reason why you just didn't gave a respectful criticism is because you're jealous at the effort he put into the videos.
@@JayRemando I don't make yt videos o have no reason to be jealous
@@JayRemando I was respectful I didn't attack him I said his scale was bad which it is...
@@jetdragoon7001 yeah "Delete this bro" "Yeah this actually sucks" was so respectful and concise criticism man.
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