Why Weiss's volume 7 design sucks

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    Weiss's model was ported SAB64
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  • @snakeslife-uroborodjinn790
    @snakeslife-uroborodjinn790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    Actually, this video proves that all the outfit needed was more white/less blue and better physics and it could have been a good design for her. But the way it stands right now, it comprises of a horrible, stiff blue dress and a plastic ponytail, both of which hinder Weiss's ability to move and make her look boring and idle.

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      it's the 2 layered skirts that make it. really hard to add good physics
      if there was only 1 skirt then it would be really easy to either weight paint the skirt to her legs or adding better physics

    • @phatdog
      @phatdog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The design makes her less boring and idle wdym? It adds more to her character rather then just white showing character growth. You complain about too much physics so how can something be idle if there's literally too much going on? I personally prefer the older design too since its more fluid but the new design shows character growth and could actually be better if the animators were able to fix the physics

    • @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719
      @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@phatdogWhat you're saying would make sense in a still enviroment. But this is an animated series where the characters need to be able to move in a slick way. If you make a model that either doesn't move much, or that has physics going wild when it does, it's static. But even when she doesn't move, it doesn't look like she can move dynamically, which creates a sense of stillness. Finally, dynamism and complexity aren't the same thing.

    • @phatdog
      @phatdog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 what I’m saying does in fact transfer over to animation and even real tv and film. Themes, designs and colours arnt limited to just a picture. Yes there is a model problem and just requires more animation work

    • @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719
      @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@phatdog Damn, that's genius. Why didn't the animators work harder? In all seriousness though, when making a project in the professional world, you have to be real about what your resources and capabilities are. And if you design a model for 3d animation, but that model is too complex to make work with interestng and dynamic animation, then the model's limiting factors forces you to give the character less dynamic movements. And this does not infact translate to film. Because the rules of physics don't need a computer calculation. If you have multiple layers of clothing, they will not freak out interacting with each other. And still, complexity isn't the same as as dynamism. You can have a very simple character have very dynamic animation, and vice versa.

  • @zakariyyabrown7287
    @zakariyyabrown7287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Now let's be honest if her dress moved like this in the show without the clipping then it would look way better because we all know how stiff it actually is.

  • @calicomarker
    @calicomarker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    The way V8 Weiss keeps glitching through her own dress is great

  • @Mexican00b
    @Mexican00b 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    *It's a combat skirt!* 👐

  • @skippythescout5446
    @skippythescout5446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I almost tought v2 weiss would just pull v7's longer braid and end it then and there.
    Like that comic of hazel wailing and spinning her in air from her rope hair.

  • @noahballiram7878
    @noahballiram7878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Personally, i think Weiss' V2 Design is her best and her V7-V8 design is her worst, so thank you for this!

  • @fawful-16
    @fawful-16 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I miss her old hairstyle- her new one isn't terrible but it realistically looks awfully heavy

  • @nacho444xd3
    @nacho444xd3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Original Weiss showing she's the goat 🗿

  • @carbodude5414
    @carbodude5414 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Weiss doesn't need to do all that cause now she just stands still and waves around her sword like an oversized wand

    • @returnedtomonkey8886
      @returnedtomonkey8886 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I 'member when weiss was more than a weak stand user.

  • @JayRedGear
    @JayRedGear ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Weiss' Vol 7/8 design is just so terrible. Her hair is now ridiculously long, her breasts apparently got bigger, and the outfit itself does not go with her style of fighting (which was ballet-style and fencing but I guess RT wanted to make her a summoner so made that they made Weiss forget she can do other things and use other types of Dust).

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I am redesigning all the rwby girls
      Blake is done
      Weiss's skirt needs physics (idk how to do that)
      yang and ruby are a wip

  • @enviousgaming3250
    @enviousgaming3250 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    honestly the only reason i like her V7 design more is her hair style
    otherwise her V2 huntress outfit is by far the best and my favorite

  • @wampaisen
    @wampaisen ปีที่แล้ว +10

    why cant they find choreographers like this when it comes to RWBYs fight animations

  • @MJ2BHAD
    @MJ2BHAD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Pony tail/braid/dress:HELCOPTER HELCOPTER

  • @batknight2014
    @batknight2014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    That's why the animators are skilled in their ability to modify the rigging of her dress. They also occasionally animate it separately to prevent clipping and physics inconsistencies.
    Most animators sometimes rig bits of the dress to the legs to prevent clipping, too. Tho if too much of the dress is rigged, it can look awkward like a pants leg or something (see: Pyrrha's ball dress in Grimm Eclipse)

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Actually no
      Theyve rigged her dress in a way that it only moves with her legs with some very small physics that mostly seem like wave modifiers
      Volume 8 chapter 14 is a great example of why her design is bad, the crew cant have weiss stretch at all without breaking the rig

    • @zakariyyabrown7287
      @zakariyyabrown7287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wahajhaider6313 ik right like there are times they animated her dress and it looked nice like in volume 7 chapter 5 montage were she fell out the shy with ruby and started running and did a quick turn and it was only simple movements like just animate it like that

    • @OniNoodleStudio
      @OniNoodleStudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I mean i have to admit that v8 Weiss's dress is sucky and V2 weiss's dress was WAY better and it was super cute!!

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@OniNoodleStudio apparently my dumbass left some unaltered physics in the dress which cause a lot of clipping in the v2 design so hopefully now it should be better

  • @jauneork278
    @jauneork278 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Snow Pea Outfit is Primo

  • @JuniorLuvsSushi
    @JuniorLuvsSushi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    They made Weiss outfit in Vol 7 and 8 Feel like it was heavy on her plus her weapon

  • @yuukianimates3318
    @yuukianimates3318 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Jeez why does she have so many blue's in her clothes, her name doesn't even start with "B". v1 Weiss understood that and had more white but some occasional blue gradient not taking over. Her new ponytail still sucks ass bro copmared to her v1 design

  • @MrLightningbob
    @MrLightningbob 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I know my rewrite has Weiss with a brand new outfit rather than the dress she had in V4-6. Something functional for combat and the weather which includes high boots and leggings while her skirt it kept short.
    Still have to get a full idea of her next outfit, so far I’m thinking of something with a bit of scale armor on her back since she was run through by Cinder at Haven (worse than how RT made it).
    But as for your vid, I could see Weiss using more kicks in combat. I know I’ve had her use more.

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Judgemental critter gave her a braid and it looked fine
      The show braid is just too chonky
      As for the kicks
      I love it when ballet sword fighters/summoners kick (like Lucy heartfelia)

    • @MrLightningbob
      @MrLightningbob 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wahajhaider6313 I know I'm planning on not having the braid. Probably having it clipped up just so that it can hang loose from there like a waterfall.

  • @darknerdman9816
    @darknerdman9816 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Her snowpeas outfit is great!

    • @djmars1983
      @djmars1983 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I agree it has been and always will be my personal favorite outfit volume seven and eight add nine have an absolute shit

    • @darknerdman9816
      @darknerdman9816 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@djmars1983 Yea agree.
      All the vol 2 outfits are great imo.

  • @ald0319
    @ald0319 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Not only is it slow and stiff, there's just too much going on with it. Weiss' combat skirt would not actually work in a fight, but it seems reasonable enough. This dress with all these layers and the braided hair no one can animate is just too far-fetched.

  • @jaimetermi-osito-jimmylucy3214
    @jaimetermi-osito-jimmylucy3214 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dialogo que podria haber
    Weeis antigua: he de estar segura en la batalla
    Weeis moderna:.....ya no es mi estilo.

  • @isengarde9490
    @isengarde9490 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Her look in Volume 4-6 is either criminally underrated, or just nobody is talking about it. Much like the rest of Volumes 4-6.

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it looked really good in ein Lee's renders but the actual show just had it be really dull

    • @isengarde9490
      @isengarde9490 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wahajhaider6313
      Fair point, but I just like it because I don't like the stupid skirts they had in the first three volumes.
      At least put some leggings on when your whole job is to fight monsters with sharp, flesh tearing claws.

  • @housekeys9768
    @housekeys9768 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Taekwondo would actually be a great martial art for someone with that body type learn

  • @ismaelkelvin6830
    @ismaelkelvin6830 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Weiss with Hwoarang skills... Nice:3

  • @jauneork278
    @jauneork278 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Peak Weiss design is vol 2.
    Although I did actually like the long dress version ofnher volume 4 design. (As an outfit she shouldnonly occaisiinally wear.)

  • @raynightshade8317
    @raynightshade8317 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The fact she is the color white but her outfit lacks most of it. Also that massive braid is off putting it to thick

  • @jklilly700
    @jklilly700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The braid looks better here

  • @winglessmecha
    @winglessmecha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Nice kicks... also also new subscriber 😊

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you so much!

    • @winglessmecha
      @winglessmecha 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wahajhaider6313 anytime best Boy 🌀

  • @xXSamsterXx14
    @xXSamsterXx14 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually did enjoy her current outfit! I know may not be The best for combat, but it works for her

  • @redgeoblaze3752
    @redgeoblaze3752 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    so in other words.
    Before, she had a combat skirt, now it's just a dress.

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      An impractical fighting dress

  • @keavinmurcia7026
    @keavinmurcia7026 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I never actually noticed the clipping in the show until the comments pointed it out, yeah weiss new design isn't practical but it sure as hell pretty and elegant 😍

  • @plumpdalles
    @plumpdalles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A Weiss battle royale would be a great idea.

  • @JustinCarbaugh
    @JustinCarbaugh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Early Volume Weiss' outfit makes her look like a white black widow but vol 7 outfit makes her look like a lame Elsa

  • @GamerJosh2611
    @GamerJosh2611 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Original Weiss’ ponytail is just so much better too

  • @star22sally67
    @star22sally67 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm guessing they have her lik this because it forces her to rely solely on her semblance. Cant do her dance fighting in a...dress...skirt...kilt...jacket (I'll be honest with you, I didn't realize it till now but I have no idea what she's actually wearing lol) that weighs 10000 pounds

  • @rmbanimator5001
    @rmbanimator5001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice kicks sub earned

  • @granthutchings271
    @granthutchings271 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They are in Atlas - a frozen Tundra - her dress needs to be more like a heavy trench coat to make sense but still maintain her skirt/dress character design.
    Ruby had thigh high boots and thick wool leggings and shorts underneath the flair of the skirt to keep her warm and its still very functional - but they couldn't do that for Weiss as it isn't her style and would make the characters too same-y.
    Also this animation is fun - but if your gripe is she is clipping through the character model - no offence - that's a skill issue. It presents a new challenge for animating sure. Git Gud I guess?

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      1) I agree she should be wearing a heavy skirt but my guy she has 0 leggings. She is gonna get frostbite.
      2) In volume 1 Nora had a bow on the back of her outfit, Monty removed the bow later as it limited Nora's mobility in combat. RT then gave Yang massive coat tails in volume 5 which she always takes off in combat as theyre too hard to animate. The point is, don't add clothing that you can't animate.

    • @Nini_VT
      @Nini_VT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wahajhaider6313 What they're trying to say is you CAN animate clothing like this lmfao. Like no disrespect, but I CANNOT see how that bow would get in the way if you just like... animate it. Weiss' dress would definitely be a lot harder, but this is animation. You're able to morph this shit however you want, especially in a professional studio.

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Nini_VT 1) are you an animator?
      2) using fucking disney is not a good standard. Look mihoyo's 2 flagship games genshin impact and honkai star rail
      the designs in genshin are far more streamlined for a reason
      characters in genshin jump, climb, glide and do all sorts of shit. Yes in cutscenes both game's characters do insane shit. BUT THATS BECAUSE THEYRE MADE WITH MULTI MILLION DOLLAR BUDGETS THAT RT CANT AFFORD.
      Please do some research, nowadays animating that bow is easier as a rigging artist I agree
      but even now many artists limit their designs if the design cant be rigged optimally

    • @Nini_VT
      @Nini_VT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@wahajhaider6313 1) Yes. I'm not a professional one, by any stretch, but I'm well aware of the troubles clothes bring in animation, especially if they're poorly weight painted (weight painting as a process is a pain in the ass, so like, I get it.) I'm also fully aware of how to deal with it, though, even if it's tough.
      2) Who in the FUCK mentioned DISNEY?? That's a conclusion you jumped to all on your own, bro. Like you can be a professional studio and not be a multi billion dollar corporation. Also, as a huge Genshin fan, you cannot say "Genshin designs" and "streamlined" in the same sentence, especially if you're then going to go on to say "but they also do crazy shit" anyway. I'm full aware Hoyoverse is far better off then RT ever was, but this singular character's dress is really not a mountain of work; more of just a challenge to deal with.
      That is, assuming the character you're animating NEEDS to have their dress move like that. Remember, this entire thread is in response to you saying the design sucks. Your entire animation sequence is a shit ton of kicks. This is Weiss Schnee, not fucking Sanji from One Piece. Monty or otherwise, she almost never fucking kicks.
      Looking through EVERY Weiss fight, here's the sequences where she kicks in some form, and how many she performs:
      White Trailer + Volume 1
      -----------------
      N/A
      Volume 2
      -----------------
      - On the train vs the white fang member with the chainsaw. 1 kick for certain during a flip, potentially one or two more when she does the back-and-forth between her glyphs; the sound design sometimes implies a blunt attack, and going frame-by-frame shows there's a lot of stretch, blur, and vanishing, so it's a little hard to get a specific read on. It seems implied that it's all with her weapon, but I'm not gonna act like it's certain.
      Volume 3
      -----------------
      - RWBY vs ABRN. Kicks Bolin through a glyph. 1 kick.
      - Weiss vs Atlesian soldiers. This one's more of a technicality, as she's mainly just vaulting off of a glyph, and the force of that knocks a soldier down. Including it in case someone wants to "erm actually" me about it. That's 1 more.
      Volume 4
      -----------------
      N/A. She kinda locked in her mansion.
      Volume 5 Character Short
      -----------------
      - Vaults off Beowulfs twice, directly connecting with their bodies this time.
      Volume 5
      -----------------
      N/A.
      Volume 6
      -----------------
      N/A.
      Volume 7
      -----------------
      N/A.
      Volume 8
      -----------------
      N/A.
      Volume 9
      -----------------
      N/A.
      So, that's 5-7, based on how you want to treat the Volume 2 scene. Depending on how much of Volume 3 Monty worked actively on (because I know there were still bits and pieces he was present for), a majority of it was done after his passing, so it's not like he exactly felt Weiss was a kicker either, even with a much shorter dress.
      It's worth noting, I only counted when the glyph vaulting ITSELF can be viewed as an attack, rather than if she's just dashing off of a glyph, as this primarily is to criticize her actual combat. Though if you want to count vaulting off glyphs in that manner, she still continues to do this even in Volume 7 and 9. It's very infrequent, to be fair, but she's perfectly capable.
      Regardless of that, the ultimate conclusion is that this is the LAST CHARACTER being able to kick without dress clipping would even MATTER on.
      Typically when designing a character in an action series, your design keeps their fighting style in mind, along with other elements like their personality, background, current character arc, etc. Absolutely NOTHING about Weiss' fighting style is impeded by this dress, so there's no actual criticism that works here. If Yang or Blake had a long ass dress, then I could see your position. Like your point about the coat tails on YANG is reasonable. I stand by my position that it CAN be done, but I can also understand that it's difficult, and if someone would rather NOT deal with it, that's perfectly valid. It's their production.
      But that doesn't work for Weiss. You're absolutely right that you shouldn't make clothes you can't animate, but you missed the fact they didn't do that in the first place.

  • @nesrovlahsurvivalist8399
    @nesrovlahsurvivalist8399 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Am I the only one who likes the volume 7 design. I like the hair, it could use more white but I still like the blue. It's like the meme of the two cars. This is better, but I like this.
    Also this is not Weiss' fighting style. I don't recall ever seeing her in hand to hand or kick to kick combat.

    • @tsukuyomi6969
      @tsukuyomi6969 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The point of it really is to show how her V7 design is impractical for a lot of movements with the constant clipping of her clothes. In early volumes Weiss used to move a lot in battle, having quick and fast paced jabs with her weapon. But now she just summons so they don’t seem concerned with the clipping that much.

    • @nesrovlahsurvivalist8399
      @nesrovlahsurvivalist8399 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tsukuyomi6969 Yeah she summons too much

    • @MrLightningbob
      @MrLightningbob 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe that she added a few kicks to her fights early on. Not much but they were there on occasion.

  • @xShadowNinjaEX
    @xShadowNinjaEX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly at 1st, wasn't a fan of it. After volume 9, not gonna lie started to like it. Only Yang's new look is kinda not sitting well with me, i liked her outfit before the current one

    • @wahajhaider6313
      @wahajhaider6313  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I really don't like the colors on yang's new outfit
      Especially with her hair and weapons
      Her hair is golden yellow while her weapons are highlighter yellow and that annoys me so much

    • @xShadowNinjaEX
      @xShadowNinjaEX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@wahajhaider6313it's very bland compared to her old ones, it looks like something you'd wear if you were working in a development research lab

  • @compton_cranchy8922
    @compton_cranchy8922 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t get it but cool fight

  • @potatopotato1028
    @potatopotato1028 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @Coffy-chan
    @Coffy-chan ปีที่แล้ว

    Need I say more.

    • @Coffy-chan
      @Coffy-chan ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's not just Weiss though. It's the entire show post S3.

  • @Salazar.945
    @Salazar.945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well if we’re really being honest Weiss’ doesn’t fights like a brawler. She stated out as a swords man that does some magic. Since season 3 she she started to forget her sword skills and stated fighting like a pure magic caster.

  • @exaltedfalcheon1793
    @exaltedfalcheon1793 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Weiss Schnee wins

  • @christiancervantes4264
    @christiancervantes4264 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's nothing wrong with it, I'm not buying it. Jesus Christ.

  • @valzicplayz3845
    @valzicplayz3845 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She looks so out of place in the show.

  • @GoharioFTW
    @GoharioFTW 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    well... MMD's physics engine aint exactly the greatest already...

  • @stevengardner8526
    @stevengardner8526 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is kinda ridicules.

  • @onspeed993
    @onspeed993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    現在流行同人屌打官方是吧