Pyra/Mythra Is Not a Top 10 Smash Ultimate Character
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- MKLeo, Maister, and Tweek share their Smash Ultimate Hot takes including… Pyra/Mythra is not a top 10 Smash Ultimate character. Wario is a top 10 Smash Ultimate character. Palutena is an underrated Smash Ultimate character. Who do you agree with?
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These 3 have such good chemistry bro
100% more of these 3 together
They remind me of the good ol days of esam wadi and marss. 100% need more of them
@@Zazzles1280 I mean kind of, but Marss did not like esam, and it was always kind of obvious, so I think it’s almost better with these three
They've been playing between them for so long now that it makes sense.
Fr
Maister deserves more credit as the best host on Luminosity
facts
So true
He is in the center for a reason low key lol
You are forgetting coney but yeah
Mkleo and Tweek: Blah blah blah blah blah
Maister: "Mom and Dad fighting,"
like fr bro lol
Aegis would be top 5 if Mythra didn't have to switch to a low tier to take stocks and if they didn't die offstage after being sneezed on.
Not a single top player solo mains Aegis. The people who keep saying "just play Aegis better" are people who do NOT play Aegis, or who are low-level/mid-level players. Other characters are top 8 majors and winning them solo. Aegis is very powerful, and oppressive, and very good... but I think dismissing this fact is silly.
Pikachu is top 10 but only Esam plays him
@@Adizzyizzy What is this, 2019. ESAM isn't the best Pikachu or even the third best Pikachu. This misses the point however. The fundamental difference between Pikachu and Aegis, is that Pikachu players believe in their character and think THEY need to play better, and people who don't play Aegis think OTHER players need to play better.
@@Adizzyizzy Bro really forgot Shinymark
Finally someone gets this. I've been saying this and people are calling me crazy LOL. Aegis is a strong secondary but that's it. People are so high after World Tour.
Nah man I play pyra mythra and this character is fucking broken LOL. We just fr gotta get better. Don't go calling me bad either lmao, I've taken sets off of storm(best pikachu in Tennessee)
maister dripped out in the arctic monkeys shirt again
I think it's so debatable on Aegis because they either only analyse Pyra or Mythra. But the thing is you always have access to both. And that's the combination of both that makes the character so strong. You can see the same with Pokemon Trainer to a lesser degree. They're very lacking in specific areas alone but if you switch at the right time you can use the strengths of all of them to have a very solid character.
To me that's the proof of perfectly designed characters with switching mechanics.
I think either Aegis isn’t top 10, or Chrom is better than people think, they are both similar in a few ways, recovery are both of their biggest weaknesses, and they both have amazing neutrals, Chrom would be top 5 with a better recovery, maybe even top 3 but I’m not sure
Absolutely love these 👍 would love to see more these
Aegis is great in most ways except for top level solo main representation. Has seen more success as a secondary or counterpick. Very few bad mstchups really, so in theory someone could win majors maining Aegis. But especially since Cosmos fell off, no one is doing it. Steve, Cloud, Sonic, Wario, Diddy, G&W, Fox, ROB, and Joker have all won more major tournaments as someone's main pick. That's 9. Not sure what the 10th one would be though if not Aegis.
I love how they argued about the Aegis for *more than half of the video* and still be entertaining as hell to watch 😂
The aegis arguments are very good. Because I main them and I think they are soo good and also so bad. Like you are like cloud in smash 4 but whiteout limit recovery
Aegis is top 10 until you get put in disadvantage.
@@redraven123 A top 5 neutral with a mid-tier disadvantage and a bottom 10 recovery lol
@@redraven123 10000% accurate, you put it better and simpler than I have.
can we have more content with maister laughing?
These three should have their own podcast lowkey this was gold
"Mom and Dad are fighting" LMAOOO 😂, Imagine ur parents settling their arguments in First to Fives 😂
I need a sequel to this lol
True hot topic is we should put unova legal again and don't listen to the palu mains cry
That was such a cool one, thank you guys and LG.
If anybody that wasn’t MKLeo said “Aegis is not top 10”, they gonna get flamed. Gonna have to agree with Tweek here, Aegis is 100% top 10.
Edit: just saw the ending, twitter flamed him lol
I really wonder what this sounds like to someone who doesn't play video games
This was super funny! I would love if we could see like a trivia video of something other than smash maybe like movie trivia look at what OpTic Gaming does.
I was an Aegis main on her release and im a xenoblade fan but i started to lose faith in them a bit since everyone got so good at the mu. But this argument def made me realize that "yeah she instantly gets nuked off stage, but like, just dont let that happen and she is still god lol." Aegis is at least top 10 minimum even if she isnt that deep into top 10.
But i think Aegis has to play more patient and just abuse that raw whiff punish alot more, but its hard to not just make a mistake and die. So i guess we should just think of her kinda of like Akuma from SF. She nukes you but she dies from basically anyone for any mistake. Shes still top 10 though imo at least.
leo spitting so hard esp w the wario take. that char is insane
Cold take: Maister with the leather jacket and arctic monkeys shirt is awesome
I could watch them all argue for days. I could watch Leo fuck with Tweek for years 😂
It was supposed to be hot takes and now the entire episode is just about aegis tier list spot
I agree that humanoids characters hurtbox shift all the freaking time
Alv maister kennedy xd
No one talks about what tweek said at the very end
That was a rly good vid
Good format
2:40 Mkleo was right this ftilt is -11 on shield actually
its really funny how aegis players typically have a better aegis than actual aegis mains
Mkleo really lied about sheik just to say aegis is not top 10 bruh he put sheik under kirby on his tier list
Ryu the sickest especially mine!
with that logic chrom should be top 10
Best video ever
8:42 Gluttony traumatized my man 😭
Tweek's "No!" was so damn funny. He legit looked like he wanted to cry right there.
gluto: wario should have a ranged grab
@@DemonEyeHelixNotice how your comment doesn't have any like. No one agrees with you 👌
“Mom and dad r fighting =(“
Hay que llamar al dif 😔
The M in MKLeo stands for "mommy"
0:35 Maister flipping MKLeo the bird with a 3 frame start up 😂
into the taunt>get bodied true combo
arguing about smash opinions is a top 10 human activity
wrong. its high tier at best, gets ledge-trapped way too easily
@@2FadeMusic that's disadvantage state
Peak content right here
@@2FadeMusicbut arguing has that move called “screaming at your friends” which is literally the best side b in the game, arguing is definitely top tier.
Nah strawman faliciy F tilt is waaay stronger @@farewell418
I love how this is supposed to be hot takes review like the previous one, but the Aegis conversation got so heated it dominates the whole video and even affected the video title.
You can really tell that this was filmed right after the last hot takes video.
They were already heated coming into this one LMAO.
The chemistry between these three is so great, holy shit, always love seeing videos with them together.
These 3 remind me of Alvin and the Chipmunks. MKLeo is Alvin, Maister is Theodore and Tweek is Simon 😂
Why is this accurate??!
maister wearing that same arctic monkeys shirt every single episode
Great band
think they did a lot of these in the same day so that checks out
The only thing worse than an outfit repeater is an outfit rememberer
@@sillybrillie my sincerest apologies
@@onlyaquaa appollo cheese
“It’s smash brothers, you die off stage!” I would agree in every other smash game, but in ultimate there’s such a small amount of characters that are easy to edge guard and aegis is one of them. Look at Diddy, Gavin essentially NEVER has people come off stage for him because his recovery is so good (a small amount of people, like Light, will go off for him tho)
Exactly. If what Tweek said was true, Chrom would not be seen as bad. He'd still be popular because "he good onstage and everyone dies offstage so it doesn't matter!"
Like bro.
a good aegis rarely gets disadvantage offstage
@@__BlacklotuS__ In theory maybe but in practice everyone gets in disadvantage off stage
@__BlacklotuS__ we need to have Leo, Sparg0, Shuton all study this mysterious "good Aegis" player. Can you share who this person is?
Thats because players dont edge guard as much as they should in this game. I mean look at how much sparg0 gets back to stage as CLOUD.
Honestly, a lot of top players are just straight up bad at edge guarding and dont do it enough. Its not that you cant, its that they dont. They'd rather just sit on ledge and ledge trap rather than go for edge guards. Sometimes that makes sense, but sometimes it doesnt, but they do it every time anyways.
Do more of these they are so funny seeing 3 pro players genuine reactions to this game they’re passionate about. It’s looks like they’re acting, but they are just genuinely worked up by their difference in opinion
Roy above Aegis is crazy. His recovery is slightly better at most and he's just a worse character than Mythra in general. The more the character loses neutral the more the offstage issue is relevant.
Fox is understandable, but you're again, trading a slightly better recovery for being one of the lightest characters in the game. Mythra having a sword takes away so many of the weaknesses Fox has. Fox always has to come in close, but trades for him are terrible and characters with good OoS dismantle him completely.
None of that exists with Mythra. In the few matchups where her weaker shield pressure really becomes an issue (like Peach and Diddy,) she still has her superb manoeuverability to fight with. Like Tweek said, dash attack is ridiculous. In general, her burst range is unreactable. All she has to do is guess right. Fox can't fight his tougher mus like that, hence why they're worse.
Aegis players just have to grind like every other character in the game. Character has everything you need, main thing to work on is just decision making/option select. Top 5.
This was great fun to watch😂 ITS CALLED SMASH BROTHERS!
And when you are plying on WIFI, TILT Brothers! :D
I love their dynamic so much 😂 this is the friends we need
I agree with Leo.
Leo, Sparg0 ... two of the greatest fundamentally sound Smash players cant solo main Aegis and win.
Neither can Shuton.
So ... if these 3 cant do it ... who can?
I personally think Pyra and Mythra are really good chararcters (especially Pyra is underrated) but not as much as people say firstly because their recovery isnt really great and since I think that off stage plays are or should be a big part of the game its a pretty big negative and second Mythra's tilt attacks (at least I heard) are not safe on shield
There's a TH-cam channel name Baselaard that covers pretty much Pyra and Mythra only and I think he's really good knowlegeable and honest about the chararcter
As for the placement in a tier list I dont really like or belive in tier lists so I dont know
And lastly this is just my opinion I am nowhere near a good player but these are my thoughts based on my experience and from watching some tournament sets on TH-cam
I need that TH-camr before. The problem is that they have all that knowledge. Heck, spargo was the one who opened the character metagame, the characters gets reversal(robbed) to much. Doing 40-50 damage ain't impressive because most top tier can do it and switching to pyra always result in a stock loss or she's never out because there's no openings for her. Everyone respects down air so no one is going to be exactly under her.
Tweek was definitely spitting with that Palu take though. Palu players hyper-fixate on one weakness that the character has while ignoring all of the things that the character is exceptional at. As someone who plays a bunch of mid tiers, it's just super annoying to see people complain about their top tier character.
I loved thissss so much it reminds me of all the discussions (arguments) i had with my friends post local while getting food. This was so wonderful, and it’s nice to know that at the top top level they still get heated like your local 2-2er
Aegis is on the lower side of the top tiers so i mostly do agree but shes like maybe 11 or 12 but not top 10
8:42 Bro tweek was so disappointed
this episode was made for me (aegis downplayer)
OMG THIS IS THE AEGIS TWEET ORIGIN LOL
Who thinks Mythra gets a full combo from any hit? All the top level Aegis gameplay says otherwise. You get a full combo sometimes, but most of the time, you don't.
That's the players fault then all their tilts and half their aerials combo until very high percent
Yeah a lot of Mythra's combos are fake. They feel true because she usually has the speed to catch your reactions but most of her combos aren't true and even if they are, her piss awful damage just makes it like an extra 7% on top of her combo.
I don't think Aegis is a bad character, still Top Tier, but I agree with Leo and Maister in that they feel too flawed to be Top 10.
Yeah but even if you don’t get a full combo you just continue advantage-stating the opponent anyway. Like you still either getting more hits afterwards for damage or putting the opponent in a shit position
@heartnet40 Bro even the brain dead ez mythra combos deal 40 LOL.
@@heartnet40Joker has the same “balancing” thing which is not great damage output when he has no Arsene but landing both Eiha and dragdown up air regrab combos makes up for it.
Started watching these videos for Leo and Tweek, but honestly Maister really carries them
I'm definitely on Leo's side here lol - 10 Characters I personally put above her are:
1-Steve
2-Sonic
3-Kazuya
4-Cloud
5-Fox
6-Joker
7-G&W
8-Palutena
9-MinMin
10-Snake
11-Wario
12-Peach
13-Pikachu
14-Shiek
Tweek is next to nairo as the biggest fox Hater, but even he was like nah ain't no way aegis is better.
Maister called them mom and dad, but who’s which? Lol
Tweek was dadding Leo hard asf in this conversation
Tweek has mom vibes ngl, Leo is the stubborn dad
Tweek has the banana so I think he's Dad 😏
This makes me miss the old Panda channel. Loving the chemistry!
More of host Maister.
They should've added the curb your enthusiasm theme when showing the tweets
They are so genuine it's pretty fun watching them interact
do more pls. this are so good
5:27 that argument about aegis switch... I can't LMFAO
Other than Spargo who else is putting Cloud on the map. I dont think Cloud is stop 10 he get gimped so easily. but players dont know how to abuse his recovery and Spargo is a God.
and Leo has to be capping Aegis is top 5 if not top 10 at best lol like what? just cuz he didnt have success and has a mental block vs Gluto doesnt mean she isnt top 10 lol.
Aegis is not top 10, but still a good character. The only Solo is Cosmos which hasn't been doing good. I don't count secondaries because once they start getting gimped, they either switch the next game or switch characters the next set.
@luis37342 nah shuton duo mains aegis and olimar she's def top 10 if not top 5. Leo just never had success with her so he's bias and glutto smashing him is on his mind
@@christophermauro-barias7451 nah, I don’t count duel main either. Shuton doesn’t go Aegis on Sonix, Miya, and Tea. Why do you think in Melee for example Sheik winning a Super Major didn’t count with Plup winning Genesis where he went Fox on HungryBox and not Sheik, till Jmook did it with only Sheik for all MUs at Genesis.
@@luis37342cosmos is the most inconsistent player in general regardless lol don’t think that’s a solid basis to go off of
@@christophermauro-barias7451aegis isn’t even Leo’s archetype of character yea this has been pointed out many times by ppl in the community (nairo and others etc)
MKLeo will always be my GOAT but saying Wario is better than Aegis is insane to me.... I guess even the best in the world feel the urge to downplay their characters lol.
He aint downplaying them when he's saying it about a character he's given up on. He also said Joker is better than Aegis when the majority opinion says otherwise. Bro even called Byleth a top tier when he was winning tournaments with that character. I think he just says what he thinks at the moment.
They are easily gimped but Mythra has Foresight and Pyra has giant hitboxes. People give Aegis and Kazuya players flak for being “carried by DLC” when in reality Shuton and Riddles carry them. You could say the same thing about 2019 MKLeo when Joker was new.
I agree
Man maister prettie funnie😌😭
My goat chose violence
Leo is based for saying something controversial yet real
I really wish people who think Pyra/Mythra are top 10 would actually try playing them and realize they're not just auto pilot easy
My hot take for today to add to this is lucina is diet pyramythra without the switch weakness
I think aegis are top 10 potential but they need a little more optimization in tournament to really get there. They’re kinda in the same position as steve where they’re so naturally good you don’t need to optimize them, so people simplify their gameplay. Also tweek is spitting about the hurtbox shifting, pyra forward air is like if you took melee marth’s grab and made it an aerial
10 better than Aegis:
Steve
Sonic
Peach
Joker
G&W
Diddy
Snake
Fox
Cloud
Min Min
Picks
Rob
can yall please pay maister his money so that he can buy a different shirt
Pretty sure most of these vids are made in one day
Aegis is 100% a top 5 character, but Leo is kinda spitting with some of his points 😂
Please do more of these hot takes videos, these are so fun to watch.
Joker got jumped by G&w, Diddy Kong for joking too much
Man maistee funnie
A agree aegis not top 10, character is too predictable and it's top players are struggling too much to make be believe it is.
I’d rather watch maestro on any stream than watch anything else tbh
Hot Take: Cloud is garbage
“shirk is the best at killing”
-Tweek
Bro. What.
The concept of the video in itself is fine but please stop with the whiteboards it makes it really awkward at times
Hot take: Olimar is the most special character in smash cause he's the only one who's "chronologically" (however u say it😂) done weed. And even better he grows it himself
Ok imma have to stop my goat mkleo, Cloud>Aegis is a crazy statement. (Kinda biased doe since I lowkey always thought ult cloud is one of the most overrated characters in all of smash. He is still in the top half of high tier to me but top 10?!?!?)
Yes Cloud is top 10
The only thing bad about cloud is his recovery. But even then, it's only bad sometimes. Everything else about him is easily top-tier material (except grab). One of the fastest yet long swordies, genuinely unpunisable/uncontestable aerials that let him him win all air-to-airs and snuff out plenty of grounded options. Plus crossslash being an anti-air and limit CS being untechable at really low percents or terrifying kill option in edgeguarding situations. They have it all, and tons of x-factor.
Well Spargo uses cloud more often than Aegis. I don’t think he’s doing it just to flex. Aegis is probably still better, but I think it’s more of a matchup/consistency thing vs a character being better or worse
@@Bobo-ye7dq It's because Cloud is his main and he likes Cloud as a character.
@@tumultoustortellinitop tier combos, top tier recovery, top tier kill confirms, so true
"That's called DISADVANTAGE state, who cares?!" Pythra players don't know what it's like to be in disadvantage, you can't blame em for not knowing.
Favorite type of content from this group.
Keep up the good work gentlemen!
Pikachu top 10? Mkleo living in 2018 😂
you guys should have a switch close by to test some matchup specific topics
I’ll cook them all again of course! For dollars$$
This is literally comedy gold -- who knew we needed Tweek and Leo on the same team to be the best chemistry I've ever seen in Smash lol
Just fight level 9 Aegis, there's the truth
This video sums up how hilariously delusional us smash players are
It makes me happy to know that these same arguments still happen at the top
Leo is spitting facts tbh
i need that dk arctic monkeys t shirt
Leo you are my goat