Pyra/Mythra Is Not a Top 10 Smash Ultimate Character

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  • MKLeo, Maister, and Tweek share their Smash Ultimate Hot takes including… Pyra/Mythra is not a top 10 Smash Ultimate character. Wario is a top 10 Smash Ultimate character. Palutena is an underrated Smash Ultimate character. Who do you agree with?
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ความคิดเห็น • 469

  • @thepigeonman_
    @thepigeonman_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +696

    These 3 have such good chemistry bro

    • @ggarcia4114
      @ggarcia4114 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      100% more of these 3 together

    • @Zazzles1280
      @Zazzles1280 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      They remind me of the good ol days of esam wadi and marss. 100% need more of them

    • @monkey9186
      @monkey9186 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Zazzles1280 I mean kind of, but Marss did not like esam, and it was always kind of obvious, so I think it’s almost better with these three

    • @nachot6592
      @nachot6592 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They've been playing between them for so long now that it makes sense.

    • @diddykong2143
      @diddykong2143 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fr

  • @adamquenano8563
    @adamquenano8563 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +731

    Maister deserves more credit as the best host on Luminosity

    • @rail_hail6625
      @rail_hail6625 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      facts

    • @9Coronas
      @9Coronas 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      So true

    • @sauce8277
      @sauce8277 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      He is in the center for a reason low key lol

    • @Jelliott_ssb
      @Jelliott_ssb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You are forgetting coney but yeah

    • @absoluteviking
      @absoluteviking 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Mkleo and Tweek: Blah blah blah blah blah
      Maister: "Mom and Dad fighting,"
      like fr bro lol

  • @minixlemonade2335
    @minixlemonade2335 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Aegis would be top 5 if Mythra didn't have to switch to a low tier to take stocks and if they didn't die offstage after being sneezed on.

  • @christianokoye9491
    @christianokoye9491 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Not a single top player solo mains Aegis. The people who keep saying "just play Aegis better" are people who do NOT play Aegis, or who are low-level/mid-level players. Other characters are top 8 majors and winning them solo. Aegis is very powerful, and oppressive, and very good... but I think dismissing this fact is silly.

    • @Adizzyizzy
      @Adizzyizzy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pikachu is top 10 but only Esam plays him

    • @christianokoye9491
      @christianokoye9491 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      @@Adizzyizzy What is this, 2019. ESAM isn't the best Pikachu or even the third best Pikachu. This misses the point however. The fundamental difference between Pikachu and Aegis, is that Pikachu players believe in their character and think THEY need to play better, and people who don't play Aegis think OTHER players need to play better.

    • @Sancnea
      @Sancnea 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@Adizzyizzy Bro really forgot Shinymark

    • @YouALLStop
      @YouALLStop 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Finally someone gets this. I've been saying this and people are calling me crazy LOL. Aegis is a strong secondary but that's it. People are so high after World Tour.

    • @jaydenhohman2590
      @jaydenhohman2590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nah man I play pyra mythra and this character is fucking broken LOL. We just fr gotta get better. Don't go calling me bad either lmao, I've taken sets off of storm(best pikachu in Tennessee)

  • @DtrJr
    @DtrJr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    maister dripped out in the arctic monkeys shirt again

  • @kyurei4478
    @kyurei4478 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it's so debatable on Aegis because they either only analyse Pyra or Mythra. But the thing is you always have access to both. And that's the combination of both that makes the character so strong. You can see the same with Pokemon Trainer to a lesser degree. They're very lacking in specific areas alone but if you switch at the right time you can use the strengths of all of them to have a very solid character.
    To me that's the proof of perfectly designed characters with switching mechanics.

  • @toadboy4
    @toadboy4 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think either Aegis isn’t top 10, or Chrom is better than people think, they are both similar in a few ways, recovery are both of their biggest weaknesses, and they both have amazing neutrals, Chrom would be top 5 with a better recovery, maybe even top 3 but I’m not sure

  • @mr.m878
    @mr.m878 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely love these 👍 would love to see more these

  • @Hermitage171
    @Hermitage171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aegis is great in most ways except for top level solo main representation. Has seen more success as a secondary or counterpick. Very few bad mstchups really, so in theory someone could win majors maining Aegis. But especially since Cosmos fell off, no one is doing it. Steve, Cloud, Sonic, Wario, Diddy, G&W, Fox, ROB, and Joker have all won more major tournaments as someone's main pick. That's 9. Not sure what the 10th one would be though if not Aegis.

  • @SkeleXon
    @SkeleXon 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love how they argued about the Aegis for *more than half of the video* and still be entertaining as hell to watch 😂

  • @hugodecroix294
    @hugodecroix294 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The aegis arguments are very good. Because I main them and I think they are soo good and also so bad. Like you are like cloud in smash 4 but whiteout limit recovery

    • @redraven123
      @redraven123 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Aegis is top 10 until you get put in disadvantage.

    • @heartnet40
      @heartnet40 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@redraven123 A top 5 neutral with a mid-tier disadvantage and a bottom 10 recovery lol

    • @hugodecroix294
      @hugodecroix294 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@redraven123 10000% accurate, you put it better and simpler than I have.

  • @hiycks5700
    @hiycks5700 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    can we have more content with maister laughing?

  • @timchung5973
    @timchung5973 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These three should have their own podcast lowkey this was gold

  • @CyanPHD
    @CyanPHD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Mom and Dad are fighting" LMAOOO 😂, Imagine ur parents settling their arguments in First to Fives 😂

  • @OniiChanPls
    @OniiChanPls หลายเดือนก่อน

    I need a sequel to this lol

  • @flowerfroggyfan6960
    @flowerfroggyfan6960 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    True hot topic is we should put unova legal again and don't listen to the palu mains cry

  • @crrc77
    @crrc77 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was such a cool one, thank you guys and LG.

  • @farewell418
    @farewell418 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If anybody that wasn’t MKLeo said “Aegis is not top 10”, they gonna get flamed. Gonna have to agree with Tweek here, Aegis is 100% top 10.
    Edit: just saw the ending, twitter flamed him lol

  • @saysurprise
    @saysurprise 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really wonder what this sounds like to someone who doesn't play video games

  • @LukeLightyear
    @LukeLightyear 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was super funny! I would love if we could see like a trivia video of something other than smash maybe like movie trivia look at what OpTic Gaming does.

  • @Kaze91
    @Kaze91 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was an Aegis main on her release and im a xenoblade fan but i started to lose faith in them a bit since everyone got so good at the mu. But this argument def made me realize that "yeah she instantly gets nuked off stage, but like, just dont let that happen and she is still god lol." Aegis is at least top 10 minimum even if she isnt that deep into top 10.
    But i think Aegis has to play more patient and just abuse that raw whiff punish alot more, but its hard to not just make a mistake and die. So i guess we should just think of her kinda of like Akuma from SF. She nukes you but she dies from basically anyone for any mistake. Shes still top 10 though imo at least.

  • @LukasAllgood
    @LukasAllgood 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    leo spitting so hard esp w the wario take. that char is insane

  • @Crackey75
    @Crackey75 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cold take: Maister with the leather jacket and arctic monkeys shirt is awesome

  • @Slarti27-gy1xj
    @Slarti27-gy1xj 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I could watch them all argue for days. I could watch Leo fuck with Tweek for years 😂

  • @rlc_-of4rg
    @rlc_-of4rg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It was supposed to be hot takes and now the entire episode is just about aegis tier list spot

  • @luroluroluro
    @luroluroluro 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree that humanoids characters hurtbox shift all the freaking time

  • @uryanflores4378
    @uryanflores4378 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Alv maister kennedy xd

  • @juanlanderos9066
    @juanlanderos9066 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No one talks about what tweek said at the very end

  • @Ace-py5nf
    @Ace-py5nf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was a rly good vid

  • @vaskal8677
    @vaskal8677 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good format

  • @pyga_vs
    @pyga_vs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:40 Mkleo was right this ftilt is -11 on shield actually

  • @matthiashopkins7502
    @matthiashopkins7502 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    its really funny how aegis players typically have a better aegis than actual aegis mains

  • @sullivanish
    @sullivanish 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mkleo really lied about sheik just to say aegis is not top 10 bruh he put sheik under kirby on his tier list

  • @SuperRyU39
    @SuperRyU39 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ryu the sickest especially mine!

  • @danieldancer4065
    @danieldancer4065 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    with that logic chrom should be top 10

  • @RealVanitas
    @RealVanitas 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best video ever

  • @Owhdusl
    @Owhdusl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +437

    8:42 Gluttony traumatized my man 😭

    • @kacheechang4667
      @kacheechang4667 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      Tweek's "No!" was so damn funny. He legit looked like he wanted to cry right there.

    • @usern4metak3ns
      @usern4metak3ns 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      gluto: wario should have a ranged grab

    • @armakeen3576
      @armakeen3576 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@DemonEyeHelixNotice how your comment doesn't have any like. No one agrees with you 👌

  • @nedcurfman3486
    @nedcurfman3486 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +263

    “Mom and dad r fighting =(“

    • @totalchiken3308
      @totalchiken3308 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hay que llamar al dif 😔

    • @Heartache1470
      @Heartache1470 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The M in MKLeo stands for "mommy"

  • @bluesats
    @bluesats 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +219

    0:35 Maister flipping MKLeo the bird with a 3 frame start up 😂

    • @VampiresAreRealGuys
      @VampiresAreRealGuys 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      into the taunt>get bodied true combo

  • @yeetmo
    @yeetmo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +329

    arguing about smash opinions is a top 10 human activity

    • @2FadeMusic
      @2FadeMusic 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      wrong. its high tier at best, gets ledge-trapped way too easily

    • @omilett
      @omilett 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@2FadeMusic that's disadvantage state

    • @timlittlefield8486
      @timlittlefield8486 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Peak content right here

    • @farewell418
      @farewell418 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@2FadeMusicbut arguing has that move called “screaming at your friends” which is literally the best side b in the game, arguing is definitely top tier.

    • @andylolol
      @andylolol 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah strawman faliciy F tilt is waaay stronger ​@@farewell418

  • @mjdevlog
    @mjdevlog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +228

    I love how this is supposed to be hot takes review like the previous one, but the Aegis conversation got so heated it dominates the whole video and even affected the video title.

  • @el_escualo
    @el_escualo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    You can really tell that this was filmed right after the last hot takes video.
    They were already heated coming into this one LMAO.

  • @owenicewater9704
    @owenicewater9704 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    The chemistry between these three is so great, holy shit, always love seeing videos with them together.

  • @Iso_SSB
    @Iso_SSB 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

    These 3 remind me of Alvin and the Chipmunks. MKLeo is Alvin, Maister is Theodore and Tweek is Simon 😂

    • @diddykong2143
      @diddykong2143 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Why is this accurate??!

  • @onlyaquaa
    @onlyaquaa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    maister wearing that same arctic monkeys shirt every single episode

    • @benjaminobi
      @benjaminobi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Great band

    • @MaxTheSwagMasterC
      @MaxTheSwagMasterC 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      think they did a lot of these in the same day so that checks out

    • @sillybrillie
      @sillybrillie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

      The only thing worse than an outfit repeater is an outfit rememberer

    • @onlyaquaa
      @onlyaquaa 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@sillybrillie my sincerest apologies

    • @MaxTheSwagMasterC
      @MaxTheSwagMasterC 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@onlyaquaa appollo cheese

  • @wollins7244
    @wollins7244 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    “It’s smash brothers, you die off stage!” I would agree in every other smash game, but in ultimate there’s such a small amount of characters that are easy to edge guard and aegis is one of them. Look at Diddy, Gavin essentially NEVER has people come off stage for him because his recovery is so good (a small amount of people, like Light, will go off for him tho)

    • @YouALLStop
      @YouALLStop 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Exactly. If what Tweek said was true, Chrom would not be seen as bad. He'd still be popular because "he good onstage and everyone dies offstage so it doesn't matter!"
      Like bro.

    • @__BlacklotuS__
      @__BlacklotuS__ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      a good aegis rarely gets disadvantage offstage

    • @federicomancini2705
      @federicomancini2705 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      ​@@__BlacklotuS__ In theory maybe but in practice everyone gets in disadvantage off stage

    • @LoadedKlip
      @LoadedKlip 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@__BlacklotuS__ we need to have Leo, Sparg0, Shuton all study this mysterious "good Aegis" player. Can you share who this person is?

    • @eragon78
      @eragon78 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thats because players dont edge guard as much as they should in this game. I mean look at how much sparg0 gets back to stage as CLOUD.
      Honestly, a lot of top players are just straight up bad at edge guarding and dont do it enough. Its not that you cant, its that they dont. They'd rather just sit on ledge and ledge trap rather than go for edge guards. Sometimes that makes sense, but sometimes it doesnt, but they do it every time anyways.

  • @angelvega5876
    @angelvega5876 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Do more of these they are so funny seeing 3 pro players genuine reactions to this game they’re passionate about. It’s looks like they’re acting, but they are just genuinely worked up by their difference in opinion

  • @lokks2130
    @lokks2130 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Roy above Aegis is crazy. His recovery is slightly better at most and he's just a worse character than Mythra in general. The more the character loses neutral the more the offstage issue is relevant.
    Fox is understandable, but you're again, trading a slightly better recovery for being one of the lightest characters in the game. Mythra having a sword takes away so many of the weaknesses Fox has. Fox always has to come in close, but trades for him are terrible and characters with good OoS dismantle him completely.
    None of that exists with Mythra. In the few matchups where her weaker shield pressure really becomes an issue (like Peach and Diddy,) she still has her superb manoeuverability to fight with. Like Tweek said, dash attack is ridiculous. In general, her burst range is unreactable. All she has to do is guess right. Fox can't fight his tougher mus like that, hence why they're worse.
    Aegis players just have to grind like every other character in the game. Character has everything you need, main thing to work on is just decision making/option select. Top 5.

  • @5hyguy42
    @5hyguy42 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    This was great fun to watch😂 ITS CALLED SMASH BROTHERS!

    • @sauce8277
      @sauce8277 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And when you are plying on WIFI, TILT Brothers! :D

  • @MasterAbeer101
    @MasterAbeer101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I love their dynamic so much 😂 this is the friends we need

  • @LoadedKlip
    @LoadedKlip 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I agree with Leo.
    Leo, Sparg0 ... two of the greatest fundamentally sound Smash players cant solo main Aegis and win.
    Neither can Shuton.
    So ... if these 3 cant do it ... who can?

  • @federicomancini2705
    @federicomancini2705 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I personally think Pyra and Mythra are really good chararcters (especially Pyra is underrated) but not as much as people say firstly because their recovery isnt really great and since I think that off stage plays are or should be a big part of the game its a pretty big negative and second Mythra's tilt attacks (at least I heard) are not safe on shield
    There's a TH-cam channel name Baselaard that covers pretty much Pyra and Mythra only and I think he's really good knowlegeable and honest about the chararcter
    As for the placement in a tier list I dont really like or belive in tier lists so I dont know
    And lastly this is just my opinion I am nowhere near a good player but these are my thoughts based on my experience and from watching some tournament sets on TH-cam

    • @gravemind76
      @gravemind76 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I need that TH-camr before. The problem is that they have all that knowledge. Heck, spargo was the one who opened the character metagame, the characters gets reversal(robbed) to much. Doing 40-50 damage ain't impressive because most top tier can do it and switching to pyra always result in a stock loss or she's never out because there's no openings for her. Everyone respects down air so no one is going to be exactly under her.

  • @drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569
    @drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Tweek was definitely spitting with that Palu take though. Palu players hyper-fixate on one weakness that the character has while ignoring all of the things that the character is exceptional at. As someone who plays a bunch of mid tiers, it's just super annoying to see people complain about their top tier character.

  • @NotorV23
    @NotorV23 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I loved thissss so much it reminds me of all the discussions (arguments) i had with my friends post local while getting food. This was so wonderful, and it’s nice to know that at the top top level they still get heated like your local 2-2er

  • @hi.im.iris69420
    @hi.im.iris69420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Aegis is on the lower side of the top tiers so i mostly do agree but shes like maybe 11 or 12 but not top 10

  • @LiorRonen
    @LiorRonen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    8:42 Bro tweek was so disappointed

  • @Za_Phantom
    @Za_Phantom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    this episode was made for me (aegis downplayer)

    • @Za_Phantom
      @Za_Phantom 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      OMG THIS IS THE AEGIS TWEET ORIGIN LOL

  • @amberknight7301
    @amberknight7301 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Who thinks Mythra gets a full combo from any hit? All the top level Aegis gameplay says otherwise. You get a full combo sometimes, but most of the time, you don't.

    • @greedo194
      @greedo194 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      That's the players fault then all their tilts and half their aerials combo until very high percent

    • @heartnet40
      @heartnet40 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Yeah a lot of Mythra's combos are fake. They feel true because she usually has the speed to catch your reactions but most of her combos aren't true and even if they are, her piss awful damage just makes it like an extra 7% on top of her combo.
      I don't think Aegis is a bad character, still Top Tier, but I agree with Leo and Maister in that they feel too flawed to be Top 10.

    • @kyallon1213
      @kyallon1213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yeah but even if you don’t get a full combo you just continue advantage-stating the opponent anyway. Like you still either getting more hits afterwards for damage or putting the opponent in a shit position

    • @jaydenhohman2590
      @jaydenhohman2590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@heartnet40 Bro even the brain dead ez mythra combos deal 40 LOL.

    • @jatho7544
      @jatho7544 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@heartnet40Joker has the same “balancing” thing which is not great damage output when he has no Arsene but landing both Eiha and dragdown up air regrab combos makes up for it.

  • @Shadrag
    @Shadrag 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Started watching these videos for Leo and Tweek, but honestly Maister really carries them

  • @TheRoyalSkies
    @TheRoyalSkies 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm definitely on Leo's side here lol - 10 Characters I personally put above her are:
    1-Steve
    2-Sonic
    3-Kazuya
    4-Cloud
    5-Fox
    6-Joker
    7-G&W
    8-Palutena
    9-MinMin
    10-Snake
    11-Wario
    12-Peach
    13-Pikachu
    14-Shiek

  • @goosnavslakovic4908
    @goosnavslakovic4908 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Tweek is next to nairo as the biggest fox Hater, but even he was like nah ain't no way aegis is better.

  • @caramel_hoodie7610
    @caramel_hoodie7610 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Maister called them mom and dad, but who’s which? Lol

    • @wealthforthecommoners3146
      @wealthforthecommoners3146 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tweek was dadding Leo hard asf in this conversation

    • @TearsOfThem
      @TearsOfThem 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tweek has mom vibes ngl, Leo is the stubborn dad

    • @sauce8277
      @sauce8277 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Tweek has the banana so I think he's Dad 😏

  • @actuallyandy05
    @actuallyandy05 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This makes me miss the old Panda channel. Loving the chemistry!

  • @latheredtrillionaire5701
    @latheredtrillionaire5701 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    More of host Maister.

  • @fullduck97
    @fullduck97 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    They should've added the curb your enthusiasm theme when showing the tweets

  • @broadcliff5842
    @broadcliff5842 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    They are so genuine it's pretty fun watching them interact

  • @cirocreo9191
    @cirocreo9191 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    do more pls. this are so good

  • @quasiZote
    @quasiZote 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    5:27 that argument about aegis switch... I can't LMFAO

  • @christophermauro-barias7451
    @christophermauro-barias7451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Other than Spargo who else is putting Cloud on the map. I dont think Cloud is stop 10 he get gimped so easily. but players dont know how to abuse his recovery and Spargo is a God.
    and Leo has to be capping Aegis is top 5 if not top 10 at best lol like what? just cuz he didnt have success and has a mental block vs Gluto doesnt mean she isnt top 10 lol.

    • @luis37342
      @luis37342 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aegis is not top 10, but still a good character. The only Solo is Cosmos which hasn't been doing good. I don't count secondaries because once they start getting gimped, they either switch the next game or switch characters the next set.

    • @christophermauro-barias7451
      @christophermauro-barias7451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @luis37342 nah shuton duo mains aegis and olimar she's def top 10 if not top 5. Leo just never had success with her so he's bias and glutto smashing him is on his mind

    • @luis37342
      @luis37342 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@christophermauro-barias7451 nah, I don’t count duel main either. Shuton doesn’t go Aegis on Sonix, Miya, and Tea. Why do you think in Melee for example Sheik winning a Super Major didn’t count with Plup winning Genesis where he went Fox on HungryBox and not Sheik, till Jmook did it with only Sheik for all MUs at Genesis.

    • @iheartmoms07
      @iheartmoms07 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@luis37342cosmos is the most inconsistent player in general regardless lol don’t think that’s a solid basis to go off of

    • @iheartmoms07
      @iheartmoms07 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@christophermauro-barias7451aegis isn’t even Leo’s archetype of character yea this has been pointed out many times by ppl in the community (nairo and others etc)

  • @anonymousnate678
    @anonymousnate678 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    MKLeo will always be my GOAT but saying Wario is better than Aegis is insane to me.... I guess even the best in the world feel the urge to downplay their characters lol.

    • @Sancnea
      @Sancnea 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      He aint downplaying them when he's saying it about a character he's given up on. He also said Joker is better than Aegis when the majority opinion says otherwise. Bro even called Byleth a top tier when he was winning tournaments with that character. I think he just says what he thinks at the moment.

  • @jatho7544
    @jatho7544 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    They are easily gimped but Mythra has Foresight and Pyra has giant hitboxes. People give Aegis and Kazuya players flak for being “carried by DLC” when in reality Shuton and Riddles carry them. You could say the same thing about 2019 MKLeo when Joker was new.

  • @Heihachiwan
    @Heihachiwan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man maister prettie funnie😌😭

  • @Mars-pw4iw
    @Mars-pw4iw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My goat chose violence

  • @kerokerocola99
    @kerokerocola99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Leo is based for saying something controversial yet real
    I really wish people who think Pyra/Mythra are top 10 would actually try playing them and realize they're not just auto pilot easy

  • @plastickkerorolm4889
    @plastickkerorolm4889 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My hot take for today to add to this is lucina is diet pyramythra without the switch weakness

  • @kyallon1213
    @kyallon1213 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think aegis are top 10 potential but they need a little more optimization in tournament to really get there. They’re kinda in the same position as steve where they’re so naturally good you don’t need to optimize them, so people simplify their gameplay. Also tweek is spitting about the hurtbox shifting, pyra forward air is like if you took melee marth’s grab and made it an aerial

  • @harelzzz
    @harelzzz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10 better than Aegis:
    Steve
    Sonic
    Peach
    Joker
    G&W
    Diddy
    Snake
    Fox
    Cloud
    Min Min
    Picks
    Rob

  • @offdeez21
    @offdeez21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    can yall please pay maister his money so that he can buy a different shirt

    • @andredub867
      @andredub867 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pretty sure most of these vids are made in one day

  • @landoftheninja
    @landoftheninja 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aegis is 100% a top 5 character, but Leo is kinda spitting with some of his points 😂

  • @Electro4890
    @Electro4890 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Please do more of these hot takes videos, these are so fun to watch.

  • @rnelly0001
    @rnelly0001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Joker got jumped by G&w, Diddy Kong for joking too much

  • @Heihachiwan
    @Heihachiwan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man maistee funnie

  • @chalybee8689
    @chalybee8689 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A agree aegis not top 10, character is too predictable and it's top players are struggling too much to make be believe it is.

  • @TheOfficialGabrielTrudeau
    @TheOfficialGabrielTrudeau 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’d rather watch maestro on any stream than watch anything else tbh
    Hot Take: Cloud is garbage

  • @jojojohnson5008
    @jojojohnson5008 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “shirk is the best at killing”
    -Tweek
    Bro. What.

  • @PlanteEnPot
    @PlanteEnPot 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The concept of the video in itself is fine but please stop with the whiteboards it makes it really awkward at times

  • @FireStorm1358
    @FireStorm1358 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hot take: Olimar is the most special character in smash cause he's the only one who's "chronologically" (however u say it😂) done weed. And even better he grows it himself

  • @treger4383
    @treger4383 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Ok imma have to stop my goat mkleo, Cloud>Aegis is a crazy statement. (Kinda biased doe since I lowkey always thought ult cloud is one of the most overrated characters in all of smash. He is still in the top half of high tier to me but top 10?!?!?)

    • @owenloveridge279
      @owenloveridge279 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes Cloud is top 10

    • @tumultoustortellini
      @tumultoustortellini 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The only thing bad about cloud is his recovery. But even then, it's only bad sometimes. Everything else about him is easily top-tier material (except grab). One of the fastest yet long swordies, genuinely unpunisable/uncontestable aerials that let him him win all air-to-airs and snuff out plenty of grounded options. Plus crossslash being an anti-air and limit CS being untechable at really low percents or terrifying kill option in edgeguarding situations. They have it all, and tons of x-factor.

    • @Bobo-ye7dq
      @Bobo-ye7dq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well Spargo uses cloud more often than Aegis. I don’t think he’s doing it just to flex. Aegis is probably still better, but I think it’s more of a matchup/consistency thing vs a character being better or worse

    • @djdrizzy9139
      @djdrizzy9139 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Bobo-ye7dq It's because Cloud is his main and he likes Cloud as a character.

    • @nemi9217
      @nemi9217 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tumultoustortellinitop tier combos, top tier recovery, top tier kill confirms, so true

  • @UncastStone
    @UncastStone 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "That's called DISADVANTAGE state, who cares?!" Pythra players don't know what it's like to be in disadvantage, you can't blame em for not knowing.

  • @siahmazowsky7807
    @siahmazowsky7807 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Favorite type of content from this group.
    Keep up the good work gentlemen!

  • @RiqMoran
    @RiqMoran 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pikachu top 10? Mkleo living in 2018 😂

  • @flories9807
    @flories9807 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you guys should have a switch close by to test some matchup specific topics

  • @SuperRyU39
    @SuperRyU39 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll cook them all again of course! For dollars$$

  • @FrazierSmithYGO
    @FrazierSmithYGO 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is literally comedy gold -- who knew we needed Tweek and Leo on the same team to be the best chemistry I've ever seen in Smash lol

  • @TetrisNebula
    @TetrisNebula 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just fight level 9 Aegis, there's the truth

  • @hecticmojo4532
    @hecticmojo4532 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video sums up how hilariously delusional us smash players are

  • @benmcgiggles7655
    @benmcgiggles7655 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It makes me happy to know that these same arguments still happen at the top

  • @RaizaS94
    @RaizaS94 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Leo is spitting facts tbh

  • @Snivyking
    @Snivyking 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    i need that dk arctic monkeys t shirt

  • @rougershappy7613
    @rougershappy7613 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Leo you are my goat