Wojciech Zurek - Why is the Quantum so Mysterious?
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Particles at two places at the same time-superposition. Particles communicating instantly with no respect to distance-entanglement. How to make sense of such weirdness? Quantum mechanics is how the world works at deepest levels. But nobody has any idea why.
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Alhough I’ve seen a hundred videos and read dozens of articles Quantum mechanics, this short interview added much better perspective. Simple but effective.
Now Bob Ross has taken to Vodka and gotten interested in physics
Lol I was thinking Luke Kelly
The German Bob Ro$$
Hahahahaha really? Hahahaha
More of a Bob Einstein Skywalker hahahahahahhahhahahaha
After having played soccer under the name of Alexi Lalas, of course...
I had never considered the notion that Entanglement was the solution to Superposition as we understand our classic/macro world. This notion of decoherence is fascinating. I need to hear more from him. This clip was just enough to know his understanding of how quantum theory begins to map up into our classical physics view... Lets just say, I gotta hear more from him!!
Professor Zurek is one of the most clear and engaging and interesting interviewees you've had...thoroughly enjoyable discourse on the very difficult aspects of quantum states and how they relate to what we consider to be reality...hope to see more of him please ....nostrovia! 😄
“We’ll put a happy little quantum here.”
I love this guy. Just discovering him, and vodka is mandatory for quantum conversations.
.......wódka.
seeing these intellects next to some good vodka makes me happy
To justify your own bad habits?
@@force6769
Why do you assume at first that its a bad habit? What if he consumes it in a healthy way? I think you're concealing your negativity with what you think is a question that deconstructs his unconscious
FINLAND!!
Maybe smoke a big spliff next time? That would make it even stranger
Unfortunately, this is not a polish vodka :)
Very informative interview on QM despite many disdainful comments here and there. Thanks for the upload. Waiting for more discussions with Wojciech.
I'd LOVE to see some NEW things. Your show was one of the best shows EVER MADE about the topics you discuss. I am not being hyperbolic, I fully mean that. If you were to do more, it would be a benefit to humanity even if it takes people a while to find your videos.
is it wrong that i shed a tear at the beauty of this explanation? :)
@Jose Adriani Buselli Stephen Meyer is on the Discovery Institute payroll...no thanks...same for the other clowns you list. When I want religion I will find it in a church - not in a God of the gaps marathon.
@Astute Cingulus He made grand claims before and after Kitzmiller VS Dover but when he had a chance to make his case...he runned. Leaving Michael " Astrology is Science " Behe to cause some good laughter.
These Intelligent Design proponents all make big claims, waste thousands of $ on Anti Evolution propaganda BUT have not even a working theory. No predictions can be made, no experiments or research has been presented.
Methodological Naturalism has overturned Metaphysical claims over and over again...but the opposite HAS NEVER occurred.
Our entire knowledge concerning Biology is based on Evolution Theory...condirmed by Geology, Molecular Phylogenetics, the fossil record, Virology, Medicine and hundreds of thousands research projects....
ID doesn't offer ANYTHING beyond " my preferred version of an invisible creator of the gaps & Straw man/Ad Hominem fallacies.
Miło zobaczyć rodaka w tak ciekawej serii wielkich pytań, pozdrawiam ;-)
Artists are entangled with physicists, it all makes perfect sense!
he got bob ross on the show?
The Poles managed to clone him and use his powers for quantum science. The goal is to eventually make better Polandball memes.
That is bob ross entangled self
a Bob Ross that is 3 sheets to the wind?!
You can get a feel for quantum mechanics 5:45-6:30 that subtle shift in the atmosphere. It’s almost like something clicked into place
Extraordinary discussion by RLK with extraordinary Zurek..👍👌... Both of you, enjoy the drink. You thoroughly deserve it.
Great job. Thanks
This is a good one, and I wasn't expecting it at all.
Zurek is cool dude!
They say if you really understand Quantum Physics that means you don't understand it. Cheers guys...excellent clip.
Wojciech Zurek amazing explation thank you.
I don’t even drink and I would drink with these fine folks
The wave function of a simple harmonic oscillator can be squared to give the probability of it's location. If it's a ball on a spring then why would we say the ball is in a state of being anywhere until we observe it's exact location at some specific time? We don't because we can observe the system at every moment. So why is it then when we apply the same technique with the Schrodinger Equation involving probability amplitude we say a particle can be anywhere until we measure it? It's because we can't see what's going on at every moment in time. So to make the assumption of entanglement I believe is premature in the same way we could say the ball oscillating has entangled states between the extrema.
I always think the same. It is very simple that non-local is an illusion from a bad vision.
@@JAYJAYBEBE That's Bell's Theorem and it did not prove that there cannot be hidden variables. It just showed through an accounting procedure (preserving a probability of 1 for an entire system) how there is a non-classical distribution and some dependency between photons which we knew already (double slit experiment for example). If you drop a stone in a pond you can see for every ripple on one side can be traced through the center to the other side. So it's obvious there is a symmetry there. To say some molecule of water is in a superposition along the wave is misleading. The problem with photons is there is some unknown interaction that causes a discrepancy in the accounting. That's why to assume superposition I think is premature. If you told Newton you could travel into space very fast and come back in your lifetime and the world would be thousands of years older he probably would say that is impossible. There is no variable that would make that possible because the universe was thought to be in a strictly square Cartesian space - but now we know it is possible. The hidden variables for relativity in square Cartesian space is ugly but when you look at how space can be curved, the idea becomes simple.
I love the way Mr. Zurek explains things. And now I want vodka, which is unfortunate for this time of day! Maybe I’ll persevere. 😄
Excellent.... thanks
Excellent..... thanks.
Though we isolate electrons and perform the double slit experiment, electrons by nature are not free but entangled hence quanta math is a special case?
What is the environment that the quantum superposition interacts with made out of, if not by systems previously on a quantum state? Is it essentially an interaction with decoherence arrived at from asymmetry of two system's ages? How would that come about?
Now this guy is a Teacher.
The glass can only be “here and also here” at the same time with enough energy.... it can’t just be both without the energy. The glass has gone through rounds and rounds of quantum action such that it has been “condensed” to such an extent that without enough energy used in the right way to work through all the molecules and atoms it can’t just look fuzzy in both places in our normal environment. Great vid! Thanks
Could quantum superposition happen over or through time? In quantum wave function / mechanics, time from past to present to future is connected in superposition, while not in classic mechanics?
Wojciech sure has some nice digs!
In entanglement could there be non-local quantum field / wave function without any local information?
So, everytime we cheers each other with Vodka, remember there are two of us more cheering each other too, but because of the entanglement they maybe cheering with Whisky.
The unlikely mix between Vodka and physics, good laugh!
In entanglement, is there a quantum wave / field that is traveling from future to present between entangled particles?
Wish you would've asked more about decoherence since he was so integral in understanding it
He doesn't believe in decoherence.
As an analogy it seems that the questions posed by the host are kind of like this.
"I know the back of my head is there and I wish to see it so that I may locate it and define it clearly".
Well then he takes 2 mirrors and captures the photons from the back of his head. But that is only two mirrors or a set of mirrors.
But that is not the whole back of his head so he chooses a different angle for the set and sees the back of his head. A different back of head but he sees the same back of head.
There are an infinite number of positions of the mirror set.
Therefore the back of his head is a superposition of all the sets which represent the back of his head.
That same bottle of vodka is in a superposition with my study desk half way across the world. But why is it only half full?
it's Leonard Susskind with a wig and a Russian accent. nice one Lenny
Polish not russian
Are particles entangled through time by quantum field / wave function? Quantum entanglement brings particle(s) through time?
It is possible. Type entanglementsolved in any search box.
Yessss!! I luv it!! Too good
"If you know something about the finger, you know something about the toe, instantaneously." So happens if you know the DNA of one, then you know the DNA of the other. No need to transfer information because we are talking about properties, like the property conferred by a particular sequencing of DNA.
What if we were able to direct, or guide the far away entangled particle? Applications?...
Put a key in the ignition turn , press the accelerator and it takes you where you need to go.. “ but how”
Doesn’t matter just do the above and ride.
Don’t worry about the internal combustion engine or any of that. Just ride.
Maybe entangled particles are the same particle at different points in time, such as past and future?
What is the interaction with the environment ? Which is the environment ? What is this record that is left after the interaction with the environment ?
Talking quantum physics over shots of vodka, for the win.
I wonder if the issue of entanglement and the relationship between the particles goes beyond the four dimensional universe we experience such that their “position” in this universe, is irrelevant. Like in a singularity - a one dimensional universe. Assuming speed of light is the maximum speed of information transfer, how can what we possibly see what occurs according to the rules we know of in the larger world... One thing’s for sure, quantum physics blows my monkey brain. We are not in Kansas anymore!
That's the holographic principle. The reason location doesn't matter in 3D space when particles are entangled, are because they are actually really close together on a 2D membrane projected from the edge of the universe.
We're in the 3D universe inside the sphere, but its all being processed and generated from the 2D membrane and one of the observable effects of this is that entanglement allows the 'spooky action'.
I see it like a text document, when you entangle particles, they are pushed together on the membrane in the document (say, the letter 'R' is entangled in this part of the text: [ hhhhhhhhhhhhhhRRhhhhhhhhhhhh ] and the document just has an address where the particles exist in 3D space [ hhhhhhhhhhhhh XYZ:R XYZ:R hhhhhhhhhhhhhh] where 'h' are just other particles with different properties. Because they are literally next to each other in the descriptive program on the membrane, they affect each other instantly. But they are described in space as being in different places in space. Space is just the stage upon which the program plays out.
@@MOSMASTERING I'm aware of the holographic principle being somewhat endorsed by Susskind. How would entanglement create that connection on the membrane level though? What would it take for that to be the case?
Even with that in mind, it still voids the principle of transfers FTL in our observable, 3D universe. Meaning that there's ways for spacetime to be affected other than general and special relativity hold. Pointing to them being wrong/limited viewpoints. Keep in mind simultaneity (the derived, nonexistent nature of it) was the spark (literally, the lightning bolt example) and starting argument on Einstein's relativity. So, even hologram wouldn't cut it. Thoughts?
I would think that if light is not able to communicate between the two positions, then that indicates another type of energy that is not detectable today? I too had a drink with them...
No!
A friend gives both you and me a small box and tells us in one box in a white ball and in the other a black ball.
We are told each to go into a different room and then we'll get a phone call.
You get the call and are asked to open the box and tell me what based on what you see, what ball i have in my box.
You give your answer and are correct.
You are able to do so with ease, instantly and no information has been sent from one ball to the other.
Isn't that what's happening with spooky action at a distance?
Mirror image of Bob Ross. Now that’s quantum weirdness. Or is that entanglement? No matter. Let’s drink to that.
Why do people cling with such ferocity to the belief in a mind-independent reality? It is surely because if there is no such reality, then ultimately (as far as we can know) mind alone exists. And if mind is not a product of real matter, but rather is the creator of the illusion of material reality (which has, in fact, despite the materialists, been known to be the case, since the discovery of quantum mechanics in 1925), then a theistic view of our existence becomes the only rational alternative to solipsism."
～ Richard Conn Henry is an Academy Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, author of one book and over 200 publications on the topics of astrophysics and various forms of astronomy.
Since when did Sammy Hagar get into quantum physics?
People and often scientists always state that a particle or physical phenomena can be two states at the same like the glass example he used, however that example is not a good one since the glass exists "coupled" to him. The superpositions exists as a superposition of probable states under a unitary evolution however, when make the measurement the state collapses (disturbing the evolution). So I think scientists must stop explaining quantum theory like this to laymans as it is misguided because the way it is explained depends on the interpertation of the one explaining. For example, if you believe that wave function collapse is real, then your explanation would differ.
What causes particles to become entangled with quantum wave function?
Any computer simulation of entanglement must find a way to shift information faster than light. This information is in the nature of a newly-generated one-time pad rather than a book, and the pad cannot be accompanied by a second pad such that there is a message embedded in the correlation between the two pads. The good news is that we are obliged to look for nonlocal degrees of freedom in the way that we integrate the Schroedinger equation, which would otherwise have us stuck in a terrible straitjacket given its extreme accuracy at the ensemble level. I would suggest making a random choice between a spacelike and a timelike integration, which is tachyonic Brownian motion by another name. For objects heavier than the Planck mass, TBM becomes just classical Brownian motion and the wavelike behaviour is obliterated. The effect of classical Brownian motion is decoherence as Dr Zurek proposes. Correlated TBM in the matter and electromagnetic fields can convey information nonlocally like a natural Vernam cipher.
That looks like a Bob Ross painting behind him it just needs a happy little tree
I will ask the most important scientific question following this video: were you drinking grappa?
Bob Ross lives on.
What is "The environment"? :/ Sean Carroll sees it as just that one emergent result of quantum mechanics that we happen to observe. :O
Carroll is a fucking idiot
Quantum weirdness would not be so weird if we accept that all there is is mind and space and time is an illusion.
Not really. Rather, it wouldnt be so weird if we accepted what quantum physics is telling us. What many physacists try to avoid... that that there are many universes. Hugh Everetts many worlds interpretation.
Martin W
You don’t even have to go that far. Just accept the quantum properties and stop using classical physics to try to understand.
@@yoso585
We do it the wrong way around. We start with classical Newtonian physics and try to explain quantum physics from that. What we should be doing is understanding the foundations of quantum physics, what it tells us about the true underlying nature of reality, and deriving classical physics from that.
When we do the above and, for example, take Everetian Quantum Mechaniscs (many worlds) seriously, our macroscopic classical reality emerges quite readily.
Because we thought reality was one thing, and quantum mechanics demonstrates that is something quite different.
You've got two audio tracks in this edit.
Sorry I'll say what I say often ... totally seems like we are in a computer! As long as it knows the starting point it can tell where everything can and will be. Super positions are just the possibilities until observed. Then the computer makes it appear? I think it's impossible to figure out since we are part of the math. Everything will always overlap and return to a central point and keep us confused
Rodak i rozmowa przy wódce 😉
Decoherence is the present as classic past is brought into future by quantum mechanics?
Waiting for entangled communication device so that I can chat to my alien girl friend ❤️
Sorry champ. Aliens are going to reject you too.
quantum universe may only be a projection of information from a 2D surface onto a 3D spatial plane or that stored on a hard drive (be it the fabric of spacetime itself or any material hardware), which takes different forms (such as any animate or inanimate being) or shapes (eg fractals, etc) or data arrangements (ideas..) when an information field interacts following stimuli or fluctuations with another information field and causes information rearrangements and thus new probabilities. The information stored on a bootable device does not have to travel faster than light to explain the instantaneity of entanglement. To us, information is spread out far and wide across the cosmos but from a different dimension's perspective, all info may be stored locally in a single closely knit web of data. There's a limit to the awareness of fish in the ocean about how the ocean works. our extended perception of universe aided by technology may entail a deeper understanding but one which is yet far from the entire picture of only this reality as we now it.
I thought he was Bob Ross for a second.
Wow
Mind = Blown
I repeated many times to understand this weird phenomena of quantum physics... I like the question, how do we make progress on this..? Can AI solve it ?
"Why is the quantum so mysterious?" - Because it's wrong, and your intuition is trying to tell you so..
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"But maybe that is our mistake: maybe there are no particle positions and velocities, but only waves. It is just that we try to fit the waves to our preconceived ideas of positions and velocities.The resulting mismatch is the cause of the apparent unpredictability."
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"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it."
(Erwin Schrodinger talking about Quantum Physics)
"Mathematics has the completely false reputation of yielding infallible conclusions. Its infallibility is nothing but identity. Two times two is not four, but it is just two times two, and that is what we call four for short. But four is nothing new at all. And thus it goes on and on in its conclusions, except that in the higher formulas the identity fades out of sight." (Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe)
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." (Nikola Tesla)
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salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair
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(Albert Einstein, 1954)
"Some things that satisfy the rules of algebra can be interesting to mathematicians even though they don't always represent a real situation." (Richard P. Feynman)
"All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?' Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it, but he is mistaken. … I consider it quite possible that physics cannot be based on the field concept, i.e., on continuous structures. In that case, nothing remains of my entire castle in the air, gravitation theory included, [and of] the rest of modern physics." (Albert Einstein, 1954)
"Denying realism amounts to megalomania" (Karl Popper, 1975)
"Hell is truth seen too late" Thomas Hobbes
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"Upon the whole, I am inclined to think that the far greater part, if not all, of those difficulties which have hitherto amused philosophers, and blocked up the way to knowledge, are entirely owing to ourselves. That we have first raised a dust, and then complain we cannot see." (George Berkeley)
"To see with one's own eyes, to feel and judge without succumbing to the suggestive power of the fashion of the day, to be able to express what one has seen and felt in a trim sentence or even in a cunningly wrought word- is that not glorious? It is not a proper subject for congratulation?" (Albert Einstein, 1934)
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"And isn't it a bad thing to be deceived about the truth, and a good thing to know what the truth is? For I assume that by knowing the truth you mean knowing things as they really are.
The philosopher is in love with truth, that is, not with the changing world of sensation, which is the object of opinion, but with the unchanging reality which is the object of knowledge.
Truthfulness. He will never willingly tolerate an untruth, but will hate it as much as he loves truth. ... And is there anything more closely connected with wisdom than truth?
The object of knowledge is what exists and its function to know about reality." (Plato)
"There is nothing more necessary than truth, and in comparison with it everything else has only secondary value. This absolute will to truth: what is it? Is it the will to not allow ourselves to be deceived? Is it the will not to deceive? One does not want to be deceived, under the supposition that it is injurious, dangerous, or fatal to be deceived."
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spaceandmotion
Quantum mechanics describes the flexibility of the universe
If you drink too much koskencorva you will see spooky action where your next drink is in a superposition. ;)
If Dr Zurek is 68, then he's well-preserved for his age. It must be his genes, not the vodka. 🤣
Quantum mechanics is the *_most_* useful, the *_most_* successful, and the *_most_* revolutionary scientific theory ever-above heliocentrism, evolution, and special/general relativity. All four are on solid ground thanks to math and the scientific method. 💕 ☮ 🌎 🌌
totalfreedom45 It’s the vodka.
I think I've understood, all I need to do is slam bottles of Vodka daily and I'll become the next Einstein.
Chris W It can’t hurt.
it's Bob Ross lost brother
Why can't Sammy Drive 55 because the Quantum of course
consciousness takes the many worlds of the quantum ... and reduces it down to the sequential ... which then becomes our reality .. our human reality ... is then a small part of the universe's computation ..
The theory is just that. Someone thinks of something then tries to make the maths fit. So they move the goalposts to suit their ideas.
How can you be in two places at once when you're not anywhere at all?
Time to look into simulation theory.
he's entangled with bob ross
Quantum entanglement to me seems like determinism
Quantum mechanics is bringing classic reality into the future?
Sounds got entangled in this methinks.....
He is a good climber too
I work with a guy named Wojciech.
That's so funny I was just going to comment I knew Bob Ross was still alive
I wish I could drink vodka on the beach and bend this guy's ear for some physics discussion.
You shouldnt have made him drink he was explaining very well
guy on the right also paints happy little trees.. lol.
Is he talking about the Chakras?
Let there be LIGHT !
Yes, light … photons .
5:43~
-"How do we make a progress in understanding this? Is it possible?"
-"Yes, but for this we need a lot of Vodka!"
closer to the truth n still closer to vodka.its not bad in moderation. shared property .entanglement .
They are talking about quantum mechanics while casually drinking Finnish "Koskenkorva" vodka :)
The best kind of entanglement is among gin, vermouth and an olive.
This is why world needs kossu