TERFs Lose Their Minds Over Disposable Menstrual Pad Wrappers
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Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists (TERFs) are very angry at Procter and Gamble for removing a Venus symbol from menstrual pads. Yikes.
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I want to see sanitary products that are packaged in Simpsons memes. Gender neutral AND a great distraction from bleeding genitals.
Switch to reusable pads and I guarantee someone on Etsy has made some Simpsons pads
Yeah - we need more humour to keep us going in those weeks. Jokes and cute puppies, etc... Not *too* cute, though - don't want to cause anyone to cry over them. Unless that's helpful for you, in which case go for it, just many those should be marked so we know which ones are best used at work!
@@ilselindberg6557 I got some reusable ones with press stud/snaps on the wings, but they kept moving about too much. I didn't think I was that strenuous/contorting, but they'd end up upside down or at weird angles!
Do you have any recommendations?
Not meaning to hate on anything, but im pretty sure that if my ovaries were screaming in agonizing pain, and i opened my pad pack to come across something like lisa simpson dabbing, I would a) punch a wall b) punch the pad shelf c) punch myself
Menstrual cups can be carried in adorable cases too.
I can relate, I'm unable to wipe my ass unless the toilet paper reassures my masculinity. Which is both as fragile and, at the end of the day, covered in crap. 🙃
oh my god
😂😂😂
This comment made my day XD
Yeah I know right, REAL men use sandpaper! 😤
Dear Always,
Please return the Venus symbol to your packaging. Please put it along side the Mars symbol, intersex symbol, and Trans symbol. I want to see riots in the street.
DahVoozel I love the way you think.
I identify as a spacefarer, so I demand a Jupiter symbol in addition. :D
Seconded
I would like the spaghetti monster represented too!
@@helenl3193 It could hold the galaxy in its noodly appendages.
Jesus Christ the way more offensive thing is that they're made with plastic.
For real. Keeping unnecessary plastic waste out of existence is far more important than it is given credit. I would buy the fuck out of zero plastic waste pads that biodegrade anywhere in 11 months
Double Guitars I thought that’s what the video was about and I clicked to try and see “why /wouldn’t/ anyone be upset about plastic waste?!”
I actually thought the video was about that lol
@@endTHEhegemony_Today Hey, there are actually plenty of low-waste options out there - menstrual underwear, reusable pads (that you can also make yourself out of scraps, quite frankly I've even used socks as emergency leakage stoppers) and diva cups in different shapes and sizes. Hope you find something that works with you and your flow :)
@@Mweexer Thanks for sharing. All I can think of when I see the Always brand is Always... in the landfill. I used to walk along a waterway that sewage must have drained into because there were always dozens of plastic tampon applicators washed up along the shore. That made me aware of the need for low-waste options. These are great ideas.
"Breastfeeding is now a transphobic term"
Me a transperson: why? Since when? XD this is news to me
Yep. Never the trans community complaining about this stuff.
Style points for the Ulala icon👍
It's literally the "War on Christmas", but with trans people instead of "liberals".
BugVidDump yeah this is the Starbucks red cup of hmm what year was that again? 2014?
@@jblue1622 if it's an analogy why does it matter what year the cup is from?
Ironically, if a Venus symbol was added to the "female version" of a product that previously didn't have one, the same people may well have complained about that.
When they add a symbol to make it "feminine", whatever it is, they go up on the price.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 , while that is generally the case, if a product is only made for women in the first place, I'm not sure that that applies. Of course, one might argue that, were similar products required by men, they might not be as expensive as they are. Here in Australia, we have had a Goods & Services Tax for some time where certain essential items are exempt. It's only recently that tampons and the like have been declassified as luxury items and made exempt from GST. I'd wager that, if all female politicians and civil servants had simply stopped using them for a while, the men around them would have told them rather quickly and unequivocally that their use was essential.
@@wunnell Indeed.
@johnmburt1960 , one has to wonder how many men are that ignorant about menstruation in general. They don't know and they don't want to know. I feel like the whole breast-feeding in public debate is somewhat related in that many men don't want women's sexy bits to be anything but sexy bits and things like menstruation and breast-feeding mean they have to think of them in more mundane or even uncomfortable ways. This is just more reason to have thorough sex education for children. There's more to it than how to use a condom. If more boys had a better understanding of what it's like to be a girl, more would pay that more consideration. It wouldn't hurt for girls to understand boys better either.
@johnmburt1960 yes I remember that story! Both hilarious and tragic - he was an older man (in his 60s, I think) and married, and genuinely thought women could just stop/hold the flow at will! 🤦♀️
I don't remember the specifics, but he was a US politician. I think a senator, but it could have been the other House.
When I first heard of this I rolled my eyes so hard I fell off my chair. I cannot imagine how relaxed terfs' lives must be if they have time to throw a fit over something as insignificant as this. I guess we now know what fragile femininity looks like, jeez.
Blane
Yeah, its just blatant bigotry.
The relaxed lives belong to the targets of terf manipulation: The coddled middle. Terfs themselves, like fascists, are wound-up and miserable most of the time, with sporadic moments of "they suffered, hooray!" buoying them.
The "fun" thing is, when you talk to a TERF they make it out to seem like these "trans-activist" are flipping out and demanding changes all the time. when in reality TERFs are flipping out at least as often about transpeople even being there. and the rad.fem. part of their terfdom meant that they flipped out (sometimes very rightly so) about stuff before then.
It is like watching the right-wing in your countrys politics, they do this all the time too
How relaxed must your life be, to get wound up over such inane expressions as "LAdies and gentlemen?" You are full of shit and projection. Projecshit.
Extremely fragile femininity if acknowledging other genders can menstruate is erasing you! I agree.
I'm a cis woman who apparently cancelled all women a long time ago because I can never freakin remember which symbol is which!
For the longest time the only way I could remember is because of Betty's sweater in Rugrats.
The arrow position shows the sex organ usable.
@@andiward7068 lol! I say the female looks like a person and the male looks like a dick.
You're not alone. It just never really mattered to me. And on wrappers? You throw it away!
Me too! Hahaha
I might forget I’m a woman if my tampons don’t tell me I am
I might forget I'm a man if my condom doesn't have an attractive man on it.
Anthony very true
Lmfao
@@shitlordflytrap1078 good thing your name on here helps with that too
As a UK feminist...sorry. I'm trying, ok. Come the revolution, I promise to take Boris out with a tin of beans and try to install someone woke.
I would pay to see that. In fact, I'll provide a maple flavored tin for the act.
If you take out Boris you've done enough, you're officially excused from any further responsibilities.
It’s okay America doesn’t have a lot of room of to talk, Mike Pence is gutting reproductive healthcare from the inside out
Look if you can take Boris down with a tin of beans we'll call it good. Just get someone to film it and dub in Yakety Sax.
@@juhlsghouls I'll offer to take Pence out with canned turnip greens? I think we've got options for a canned goods KO international revolution here.
If your "feminist" article only gets featured in the Daily Telegraph, you probably are not a good person.
One of the most misogynist propaganda sources in existence. Writing for the DT is tacit support of misogyny and racism.
I thought society figured this out when the "Pregnant Man" was on the cover of People magazine in 2005.
No...sadly...that was more often received as "look at what 'circus freak show' people do in their off time", or just that they were some random weirdo.
Yep...this idea of a clean bi-gender divide is done. The X-vs-Y chromosome may govern some aspects of gender, but not all of them. I may be a man, but I know I don't have many of the "traditional manly traits". I'm cis-het, but don't feel some urge to be alpha or beta or whatever in my relationships... that's not in the Y.
Now is the time we struggle with the notions of gender in many contexts, power for those who think they're losing power, or those who hunger for more than traditionally allowed. Just like some cultures have struggled to accept and embrace "other races". It's another part of our social evolution, and we're really not that far along.
Back in 2005 a prego man was seen as a fluke, or something contrived. Nowadays it's likely seen by some as dangerous and a sign of a failing society or something.
For the rest of us it's, "wow, so this gender thing is way more complex for humans than we've been allowed to believe! A guy that can naturally get pregnant is just one more example of that. It's exciting to hear all the new things we're learning!"
One of my high school teachers literally held up that People cover and said, "I don't think people should be able to be male and female at once. I think they should have to pick one." (Barf.) So unfortunately no, society didn't figure it out.
@@ScotHarkins I wouldn't have understood such a concept myself back then, but then again I wasn't really introduced to the concept of being transgender until around junior high or high school
is "some company removing a symbol from a wrapper you'll throw away anyways" really that big a deal?
You have to remember that TERFs spend so much time wallowing in their own oppression that when someone tells them (due to the intersectional nature of society) that they are also privileged, they absolutely freak out.
Captain Andy the same with white working class when you talk about racism
Edit: obviously not all white working class people are like this, but you know what I mean
Not to mention the name Venus is carried on various products like jewellery,fashion, hair care, skin products, lingerie, makeup etc....
"The sky is falling. The sky is falling!" It's hard to understand that it's not men subjugating women so much as some sneaky assholes managed to convince everyone that biogender means wayTF more than it actually does. Then those assholes, most of them men, leveraged that notion to get everyone else to back them up and thus established their dominance. TERFs in many ways remain victim to this binary mindfuck, and so actually sort of support it by proxy.
As a WASP PWM, I'm rather resentful that my ancestors set up this shitty system, for biogender as well as "race" (another faux notion). Think of how much more awesome our world could be if EVERYONE was free to contribute to the best of their abilities, regardless of whatever their physical, spiritual, and mental attributes.
I fear it won't really be fixed, and that it'll take Human 2.0 to move us past all this crap.
@@Curtis006 Yes.
Why aren’t they more concerned about the chemicals in always that gives u rashes 🤔
I’m a trans man, and honestly, the removal was a big deal for me. I’d get stupidly dysphoric over the Venus symbol on my pad wrapper, so the whole thing is... a lot. It’s upsetting that TERFs are so mean. :(
Yellow Bord im glad to see im not the only trans dude who felt that way dhsjsk
No joke, i was changing my pad while watching this and there's a very faint venus sign in the always wrapper. I literally do not care if they remove it. I just need my pads to be functional! That's all! Everyone needs to calm down.
Yeah, I've never noticed it before, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't there - maybe most of us don't really care/register what's on that?!
Aiyana Ncube I agree, functionality is really the only point of pads. Nobody should care about the design as much as other things, Like if anything these people should be asking for cheaper pads for homeless people. SINCE WHEN ARE SYMBOLS MORE IMPORTANT THAN UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE??? It goes against what the feminist movement represents in the first place! People can be so hypocritical.
@@xredjasperx247 tbf, a large percentage of LGBTIAQ+ youth end up homeless, so there is overlap. And even when there isn't, it's disingenuous to say people are wrong/hypocritical for campaigning for A instead of B - we can, and most activists I know do, campaign for multiple things/causes simultaneously.
There's nothing anti-feminist about wanting brands to be more accommodating of the variety of people who need to use their products. Trans, non-binary and intersex people face so much prejudice, if the small, non-harming act of removing an icon (that was only added in the past year!) can make their lives a tiny bit better, why not do it?
Also Always decided to do it, they didn't bow to pressure/forced to do it. Some of their marketing people noticed comments online, and they rethought it and decided to go in a different direction. There weren't any marches, petitions or big campaigns.
And yes, all who need sanitary products should be able to access them, regardless of income or housing (there are kids missing school, because they can't afford pads!) but just a tweet/mentioning on Facebook once about the venus on the design isn't the missing key to getting that changed.
We have to fight for better inclusion and acceptance of everyone, because until we have true equality of rights, access, and opportunity the 1% will just continue to divide and rule
1990: I bet there will be flying cars and robots in the future
2019: people are offended by symbols on *period pads.*
Rose cherry correction: offended by symbols NOT on period pads.
Kate Lillo omg you're right
As a trans guy from london I didn't really like the Venus symbom on it but the whole situation is awkward and I did notice and appreciate the change even if not that much of a big deal
You should put a warning at the beginning of these videos saying "face palm protection may be needed" or "move monitor out of punching range".
What about lighting the dumpster fire?
By the title I thought this was going to be about terfs being upset by non-recyclable/non-reusable sanitary products but oh no I’m still giving them too much credit.
Honey Butter same 😂
'Terfhood is a bacterial infection' Me: *likes video*
First vid I’ve seen from her. Instantly subscribed 😄
So I learned two important things from this video. 1) The TERFs are being stupid and awful again. 2) Hearing "Venus Symbol" over and over again has made me hungry for Wiener Schnitzel.
I've been using always for over 17 years and in that time I've NEVER noticed the venus symbol on the packaging or wrapping.
I have to admit... I'm wondering if horrible rag was intentional or not.
They do nothing to prevent bigotry leaks
Only fit for lining the cat litter box with! (the free ones, I'm not paying for any of that shit!)
I think the pun was 100% intentional.
Thank you for being mad about "female" products. I get on this rant all the time and my friends and family are tired of me noting that most products marketed as for men or women are simply products that serve a purpose (or don't) and that the gender of the end user or consumer is irrelevant to its functionality (or lack thereof). We as a culture have over prescribed the notion of gender, projecting mores that A) are not inherent to the good in question and B) are relatively new constructs that do not represent a "tradition" worth defending at anyone's expense.
That said, I'm not a fan of the Venus razor, but I fucking LOVED the Intuition, the one with the great big bar of soap around the razor. Wife got it for her legs, I stole it for my scalp. That thing was a blessing. I don't know why I stopped using it, I think Schick still makes them?
I do love the Intuition too. 😍 In school I was a cheerleader, practice was after school every day, but I have sensitive skin, and I couldn’t shave every day, or even every other day reliably. But you got made fun of if you had either visible hair in your armpits or on your legs, or if you had razor burn! It was lose lose! The intuition really helped me survive it without looking like a badly plucked chicken. It’s one of the only female branded products I’ve ever liked; I tend to use men’s razors now that I don’t *have to shave every day, and over time it’s saved me about $120. Now a unisex Intuition would be brilliant.
You two should suggest it be marketed to men to Schick. If they want to give it a different name (to keep the pink tax or because consumers think of the Intuition as a women's product), tell them they can call the men's version the "Intuitive".
They market it towards the gender they want to sell to because that’s what they’re willing to buy. It’s not like I’d buy Axe body spray lol. I mean I _could_ lol but what’s the chance that a woman like me would want to? Very small.
It’s not like they’re trying to “oppress women” or anything it’s just capitalism. If anything blame the women for buying it!
@@ashleyk8406 no, not oppress, but manipulate, definitely. Marketing is designed to take advantage of psychological weaknesses, proclivities to belong to a group, tens in popular culture, socioeconomic class, amongst mamy others, and advertising to this point has preyed on cultural BS we pass to be generations, often without asking why.
The example I like to give people is the 2nd amendment. If our rights are inalienable, why does the 2nd amendment protect access to a consumer good? On principal, the product is to "protect liberty" but it doesn't offer a free gun, right? So it's not for everyone, it's for those who can afford arms... and hence, it's definitely alienable, it didn't defend freedom for everyone. The 2nd amendment is advertising propaganda. That's how ingrained consumerism is to our cultural DNA, it has literally seeded in our Constitutional Bill of Rights.
But that doesn't make it right, or necessary, or even useful. Every "tradition" should come up for exam regularly, as most are only useful in a temporary context, and some, like Pink Taxes, were never useful.
Ashley Kleinvehn Lol, my adult sister loves some of the Axe body sprays, I myself (a man) hate them. Gender really doesn’t need anything to do with it
"If women bleed, then no one else can" looks like a sound policy, sure.
"only women bleed" - Alice Cooper
not to be dramatic but this made me cry. in a good way. i've been seeing so much transphobia around me and as a trans person who's too scared to come out, it's been extremely hard. and seeing someone cis making fun of the people who hurt us and ridiculing their hateful behavior, standing up for us, made me feel so relieved. thank you.
I was scared to come out too but I felt relieved and a lot less scared in general after I did. I hope you can do it safely soon and that you feel good about it!
Three years late...but I had to say that as the mother of a beautiful trans woman, this tripped all my protective maternal switches and I just wanted to give you a big hug. Watching my daughter blossom and find her footing in her true, authentic life has been an absolute joy, even as resurgent transphobia has me also doing things like contacting trusted friends in solidly progressive areas to make sure my daughter will have a safe place to go if our (currently progressive, but recently switched to awful governor) area becomes untenable for her to live in.
I wish you that moment when you can come out and be yourself openly and be embraced and celebrated for it. In the meantime, embrace and celebrate--and LOVE, and TRUST--yourself. Hang in there.
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@@piaonomata9220 hi, thank you so much!! since then, i've come out and i'll be starting twstosterone this week! i've been accepted by my friends and family and am doing so much better!
you seem like an amazing mom!!💕
I use reusable stuff that has no packaging at all. Who cares about this? Just pack the pads in whatever wrappers available, and be done with it...🙄🤷🏻♀️
Wrap it in foreskins.
Petition to change the phrase "Grasping at straws" to "Grasping at pad wrappers", 'cuz that's how desperate TERFs are.
Thank you for your support Rebecca, I'm so sick of this going on here, it seems to be getting more, not less.
I know it was a joke, but I find it interesting that there is actually some evidence that being trans and autistic are linked in some ways. Statistically, autistic people are more likely to come out as trans or non-binary. Personally, I argue this is because we care less about social norms rather than it being anything neurological, but I've seen a few studies that argue the opposite.
Obviously, being trans isn't "turning" people autistic though, and the idea it is is genuinely fucking hilarious to me.
That's really interesting, it reminds me of a study showing that people with a certain type of blindness never developed schizophrenia. Now if scientists could conduct studies about possible links between being trans and autistic without everyone jumping to conclusions and twisting every finding into something that supports their own preconceived opinions we might learn new things about the human brain and/or psychology.
I'm trans, I care less about social norms too and have Asperger syndrome so that could be a high possibility, if your theory is correct I hope it does more good then bad : )
Probably Unintentional wth I’m actually autistic and don’t really identify with any gender, this makes so much sense??? I guess less of my brain is for gender than the average person.
People don't know shit about autism (except for the "fact" that it is caused by vaccines). People are born with autism and experts can pick up the signs from infancy. So how it could be caused by "transgenderism" is beyond my understanding
There’s a slightly older study about autistic female folk having “male brains” therefore making them more likely to come out as male. I’ll try to link it here; scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=male+brain+autism+study&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart (couldn’t find the exact one, but this lists a bunch of scientific studies regarding it). I find it quite interesting, but i have no real leanings towards either side
Wait hair conditioner instead of shaving cream.... how have I not heard about this before
I woukd try it but i dont get hair on my legs. :/
@@artemismeow I feel stupid now, because while I have always used conditioner on my hair and then on my Santa Beard when I grew it out, I've never used it on my chest and leg hair. Or pubic hair. Or the hair that grows in a ring around my... So anyway, all this time I've been stiff and crinkly in places I guess I could have been smooth and silky.
@@jafafa im just gonna rub it all over from now on. XD that way i can belly slide like a penguin!!
In my personal experience, simple bar soap works well, too. (Though surely this must have occurred to you before.)
Yep works way better if you have sensitive skin.
I live in Canada and the packaging recently changed to have “# likeagirl” and the Venus symbol all over them. I actually emailed them because it’s so annoying.
Yep the amount of conversations I've had with cis women about this are so frustrating, terfs popping up left right and centre in the UK right now
How does using the label terf help in discussing the issue though?
Could you explain how a trans woman that still has male organs be legally given all the freedoms of being a woman?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50858919
Where is the right to ask a question or express an opinion, like Maya Forstater's, without losing one's job?
It's seem like a moral maze that we are not going to be escaping anytime soon.
Nearly forgot I was a woman because the sign wasn’t there
They took away the Venus symbol?!?!? What's next, are they gonna take the Mars symbol off of my Volvo?!?!?!?111eleven
Damn you, omnipotent trans activists!
mjhacker As long as they don’t take my Mars bar. 😉
It’s impossible these transgenders are too late In getting offended by the Venus symbol, when the word Venus is named on various products aimed for women 😆
johnmburt1960 I actually would not be surprised, I think it was Lays who tried to come out with small pink bags of potato chips so busy working ladies on the go could have them in their purse, apparently it did not go over very well
johnmburt1960 Sexist Hi-5! LMAO Ok let’s go to doghouse now lol
@johnmburt1960 pretty sure Dorritos (sp?) brought out a chip range 'for women' that came in smaller portions for our tiny hands, was supposed to be quieter to eat.
Because big, manly tortilla chips are so loud, they scare us! Poor precious little ears and tiny minds cannot cope! 🤯
It was also not popular... I don't think they even made it to market here (London, UK) I just remember the coverage of them, which were possibly still in development, or prepping for release. I've never seen them in shops, anyway!
🌺🌼𝓕𝓪𝓼𝓬𝓲𝓼𝓶 𝓕𝓸𝓻 𝓕𝓮𝓶𝓪𝓵𝓮𝓼🌺🌼
That is what I want between my legs
HAHAHAHA
That's a really pretty font. How did you do that?
@@Virginny Lingojam
@@LimeyLassen thanks
If we're going to have designs on pads, I want them to be like band-aids. Give me dinosaur pads!
Ugh, TERFs.
That joke at the beginning with the empty chair was delightful
I was hoping that joke would last the whole video, just for the sake of the joke
@@runefjord8446 you mean with a voice-over, or just an empty chair for the rest of the vid?
@@helenl3193 with a voice-over, like she was invisible :D
The chair itself is delightful! I want that chair! It. Looks. Awesome.
So what if they remove a symbol?
What's the importance?
Is the symbol magic?
Ya. The symbol is actually crucial to every woman's bloodmoon ritual. What we dont tell you is that we actually need a human sacrifice every time we get our period. Where did you think all that blood that comes out comes _from?_ Our ovaries melting? Thats just society's lie to cover up for it.
@@CreeketsCreek
I don't know you, but I already love you.... 😁 😜 😂
@@CreeketsCreek Exaxtly! And, as an alchemist, how am I to know if the moon's blood I find so helpfully packaged will truly be female?!!??
I know, I know, digging these ingredients out of the trash is socially frowned upon, and awkward to explain to the police at times, but SOMEBODY has to keep the Old Ones from breaching the Gates of Reality.
Alchemy is an old and deeply held tradition, and yet my parents continue to call me an "unqualified chemist!" The NERVE!
Those who got offended by disposable packaging, no matter how they identity, need to grow a pair. Don't be so foolish to wrap your identity around something that'll be trash seconds later.
I'm in the UK and I've been having periods for 35 years, this week is the first time I've ever seen the symbol on pads that I've been buying for years. I was actually impressed to see it and it made a change from the usual weird triangles or flowers. So, doesn't seem to have vanished just yet.
The symbol is just on the pad wrapper itself and has only been there for a year or so - Always change the pad wrapper design all the time here. It's kinda cool finding an old pad in my handbag and remembering the old designs.
Julie Bindel is 57, so doubtful that she's buying any pads… would be funny story about whether she roams the aisles inspecting packaging at the grocery store :D
Her and Germaine Greer policing the aisles 😂😂
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I am a proud and strong 67-year old woman who has paid her dues in business, drives a Volvo and doesn't give a fuc& what the symbol on the front is; owns my own house without a mortgage, rides a motorcycle and wears what I want when I want. It would be a better world if we all concentrated on the important stuff and actually got companies to produce all gender neutral comestible products, because 'womens' products inevitably cost more than mens' for the same stuff, which is really, really stupid. People buying this stuff should be concerned with what they need and not what the company image of the product is. Like I have ever given a shit. Use what works for you, people and let other people do the same. The world is going up in flames and you're worried about what colour shoes someone has the right to wear. Really.
@@karenburrows9184 Teach women not to be gullible.
In Germany there has also never been a Venus symbol on the packaging.
Maybe thats just a specific product but im from the UK and ive never seen a venus symbol on the packaging
I wasn't even aware until trans people kept pointing it out.
Women don't care. Move on.
It's pretty clear that some women do care, since TERFs are mostly cis women. And here's an idea: your personal experience is not the universal experience.
@@maivaiva1412 lol, I totally forgot about this again.
Waaaait, you guys are saying cis women are overreacting about the wrappers but the trans men that were offended are NOT? I'm confused. It's a wrapper and it's stupid for any human to upset about it.
OMG! The "Chick Beer" shot was priceless!
@johnmburt1960 ikr? We've still got a lot of work to do. Ban the adjectives!
completely unrelated but I just found your channel, and your color coded book shelf brings me joy.
you know, as a potential trans man who does need those things, I honestly couldn't care less if they had the venus symbol on them or not. It's embarassing enough to need them to begin with... :/
A tip: using a period cup is easier for me and my dysphoria. You don't need to change it as often, it can be up there 12h a day. You don't see it every time you have to take a shit. It's virtually unnoticable. Helps me forget I have an uterus at all.
But only if you're comfortable with sticking things in, of course. Which is a big hurdle, admittedly.
@@maivaiva1412 see, those things cost money that I just don't have. I'm lucky enough to not need to actually buy anything, since my grandma gets enough incontinence pads for like five people in the mail every month
Kyralily ah, i see. they do cost a lot.
Bro I want dinosaurs and flowers on my pads. Yes I am an adult but I crave the little things
I want Star Wars designs on my pads to match the band aids I put on my testosterone injection site.
That hobo handkerchief joke is so silly, love it.
As a young adult who's used Always since she started her period, they DO have the Venus symbol on it - it's on the individually wrapped pads themselves, not the whole packaging. I just pulled out their night pad to check. It's among a smattering of random, circular shapes and symbols. And yes, they are still loud when being opened.
I seriously want to know why it even matters. Pads aren't even just for menstruating. Sometimes they're just used because the person is getting close to needing adult diapers but can get away with using pads for leaks instead. I used to work at a nursing home and it made people feel like they had more dignity left for a bit and helped them adjust
the Bananarama/Shocking Blue song "Venus" has been renamed "She/Her"
none: It was renamed"Shenus."
@@milascave2 good choice
@@noneofyourbusiness4616 Nope: "They".
Can’t say I’ve ever looked closely at a pad wrapper
Ever since I watched this video for the first time in my entire life I'm starting to notice the Venus symbol on every Always pad wrapper I throw away. It's a curse, but also not really because it's just a wrapper.
Though originally designed as a menstrual product, pads such as these are used by many people after prostate surgery. They have also served as emergency bandages. A pad and some duct tape can protect a wound until the injured person gets medical care. Military kits and construction site first aid kits sometimes have this type of pad.
"jet engine" lol
I've had it with those chicks. They're so in bed with the far right neocons it's beyond freaky. 😲
I’m from the UK and it’s not a prominent thing here. There’s one type of always that has the Venus symbol. Most of our stuff doesn’t have that
I’m British, I use these pads, I’ve never noticed the Venus symbol. It could’ve had the mars symbol on it all these years and I still probably wouldn’t have noticed, because I’m much more interested in getting to the pad inside. It’s so stupid that anyone cares that they’ve removed it.
I'm not a trans man, but I am a agender, and these kinds of changes honestly make me feel more comfortable using these products as well. So I fully welcome this more gender neutral design choices.
Let’s all ditch disposable pads and get a diva cup 😩
teambarbie4life not everyone prefers them
I live in the U.K. And I've never seen the Venus symbol, thankfully haven't come into contact with any terfs yet either
I'm in the UK and I didn't even know that they had symbols on... why do people stare at pad wrappers?
Currently bleeding and have my always pads in front of me haha I always noticed the symbol... And it definitely made me wonder why. And how trans people might feel about it...
How much time do you have on your hands that removing a little venus symbol on the disposable pad wrapper makes you upset... Definitely too much time haha
@Al S I don't know how it must feel to be trapped in the wrong body... Do you? Why would you judge people who are just trying to live in a world that doesn't understand them and are just trying to feel included in a society that barely acknowledges them.
Don't be ignorant and educate yourself OK. 👍🏼
@Al S Did anyone actually ask them or did they just do it? Cause it seems like they probably just made that decision on their own. It might not have anything to do with trans stuff. Companies just change branding all the time.
@@MRuby-qb9bd yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they just decided to go back to the plan wraps because they're cheaper to make our something, but then someone in marketing decided that could do a PR stunt around making it more inclusive. Just like the 'pink pound', at a certain point brands start to realise that the minority groups also have cash to spend.
I doubt this was high on the trans activism list. Yes, it must be hugely helpful to feel acknowledged and accepted in a society that is still so hostile and unwelcoming most of the time, but (unlike the FARTs) the trans, intersex and NB communities have far bigger fish to fry!
I'm glad they're making the change - doesn't cost them anything, doesn't harm anyone, and potentially has a nice impact for a very put upon and marginalised group. Fuck the FARTs! (Feminist Appropriating Reactionary Transphobe) #MyFeminismIsInclusive #intersectionalFem
@ghostly I don't really take that as a insult but ok... You're
@@lazybugger You think it's that easy just to get surgery? That they can change their bodies that fast? The fact that transgender men still have a menstrual cycle is hard enough and then they have to be reminded with a venus symbol on the label. Women are not the only people who have a menstrual cycle. Some Transgender MEN unfortunately still do. That is the point. It's not that hard to comprehend. Even if it wasn't transgender people who wanted to change the label the lack of sympathy from the TERF's is the main problem.
People are upset, not so much because of the actual removal, but rather Always succumbing to the pressure of the Church of Woke; they're tired of the capricious political correctness that is dominating the culture and zeitgeist.
It's a single image, and removing it will make a lot of people more comfortable without inconveniencing everyone else.
Why would its inclusion make people uncomfortable? Only members of the female sex experience menstruation. The venus symbol symbolizes the female sex.
@@Saint_Magnapinna That's exactly what we're asking, only it's "why is taking it off such a big deal, if it's just a packaging design for something that gets thrown in the trash?"
I can see the argument for doing away with the logo, or whatever, from the corporate angle. Ink is expensive, so why bother printing designs on basic plastic wrap? Hell, just use cheaper pad wrapper materials overall.
If it was a pandering market ploy, then it was for publicity. Creating a non-issue "scandal" still gets your name out there.
@@liamwilbur1897 If it's not a big deal why was it demanded to be removed?
@@Saint_Magnapinna Some people like to bitch because they don't have anything better to waste time on.
So women are triggered but trans women aren't for caring about the symbol to begin with?
Both sides should grow up.
Trans people didn't make angry blog posts or try to boycott Always, they just asked the company to change the packaging because it made some of them dysphoric. That's the difference.
If something is marketed for a gender other than your own, that doesn’t mean you can’t buy it. I buy razors marketed for men and it’s no big deal🤷🏼♀️
huh, this is interesting! here in russia, “always” used to have neutral design but recently they added venus symbol! maybe they send us all confiscated uk pods😂?
Nah, I don’t think so, I wouldn’t say “they push agenda pretty bad”, i mean, you don’t need to “push” agenda if a majority’s with you; not to mention, the venus symbol is really minor thing to be done on purpose, and I don’t think Always is controlled bu government, lol
I'd never seen a pack with that wrapper until this week. I really think it's relatively new - or maybe it was a limited edition/seasonal thing?
(I'm in the UK)
The ally we didn’t know we need, and the ally I hope we deserve!!
How am I supposed to know the menstral pads are for me if they don’t specifically tell me they’re for females? What if I accidentally pick up male menstral pads??
Remember when they had "Have a great period." on the glue strip cover ? Yeah that was something that kinda made me growl a little as I waited for my cramp meds to kick in while changing my pad. Not having a silly symbol on the wrapper Not a problem for me.
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and yet TIRFs throw a fit when you call a stallion a male horse,
Of course in reality they probably did this on purpose for all the advertising they knew they’d get
The telegraph tells me all I need to know.
I mean, I get why they took it off. Mine has the Venus symbol on it sometimes, and cis women don't notice it. I notice it because it makes me dysphoric as shit. Taking it away doesn't do any harm, but removing it does a lot of day to day good for transmasc people.
I was wondering if it bothered anyone, but if it bothers just one person then I wish they'd have gotten rid of it sooner. (Cis woman here if not obvious.)
I get the cheap supermarket brand ones, I am a student. No nasty extra absorbent chemicals and are packaged either in plain blue, pink or purple which I can put up with as I have no issue with the colour. If I get the really cheap ones they are blue and white striped but they have no wings and are awful. I'm NB but thinking about it makes me feel all kinda of awful and as much as I'd love to use reusable stuff I know it'll be a major struggle with dysphoria if I was able to afford the outlay for reusable pads and then felt obligated to use them and go through all the effort to wash them etc. I just stuggle to think on it. Sorry, I think I was kinda ranting.
@@blisles7626 nah, that's fair. Dysphoria sucks, and sometimes you just gotta ramble a bit.
Terf-hood or Terf-dumb?
I live in the UK and I have literally never once in my life used a sanitary product with a Venus symbol on it? I’m really unsure why they’re so bothered because it barely exists anyway
"I'm sorry... A fucking moron woman" gets me everytime
Gawd, I'm such a boomer. I thought you were misgendering transfolk, and then I realised. Great vid.
Listen, it's as important as things for girls being pink. Speaking of which, why aren't these pads pink? /s
I wish I was trans so that I could have so much free time on my hands that I get triggered by seeing a symbol for women on a product made for women. Ridiculous.
No one was triggered that the symbol was on there, transphobes were triggered that they took it off
i was so happy to find this on your youtube channel, you have no idea :)
I think both sides are over reacting. I feel like it’s pretty patronising saying that feminine products have to look overtly and specifically girly, but also, as a transman, I am fully aware that periods are a function of the female body and before testosterone stopped my body doing that it was the period it’s self that triggered my dysphoria, not what the products I had to use for it looked like or how they were marketed!
Everybody seems to think the world has to cater to them specifically at the moment but the reality is that it’s not possible to make it so that nobody ever gets offended or adversely effected by anything. So long as nobody is actually being harmed then can’t we try to just live and let live? Respect that every person has just as much right to respect and having their needs catered to as ourselves and understand that in the process of compromise things are not always going to be 100% perfectly what we want but that doesn’t give us the right to demand that things get taken away from someone else just to make us happy! Also we shouldn’t have to understand something or feel that way ourselves in order to behave with respect and compassion toward those who do.
Gabe Angel product marketing may not bother your gender dysphoria but you are wrong to believe other people’s gender dysphoria is the same as yours. It’s not. Words on packaging in the bathroom can hurt some people and trigger flashbacks of painful experiences too
F. U. C yes you’re right, I shouldn’t have made that assumption. I’m sorry. I still don’t think we should expect the world to change for us though. We are an outlier not the norm. We have the right to expect respect individually and for people to not do things when dealing with us specifically that they know triggers our dysphoria but we can’t expect global things that are not even specifically for us to ignore their main market and pander to us.
I have the same attitude with other issues (including my ptsd, since you mentioned flashbacks) that I am a minority in not just trans issues. It’s just not possible to please everyone and it’s not fair that people are expected to tie themselves in knots trying to and then get condemned no matter what they do. It’s fine to ask that always takes the Venus symbol off if it really is that traumatic for a significant number of people but it’s not ok to judge them as transphobic for marketing their product to their main market.
One trans guy politely asked them on Twitter and they were like ok sure. They were probably planning a redesign anyway. "Both sides" aren't freaking out. One side is making comments in passing and the other is acting like we are literally murdering them.
Try making your living as a carpenter.........you'll bleed most days.
Bindell’s objection is not that they’re removing the Venus symbol, it’s that this is what counts for feminist/trans activism. Does that actually help women (cis or trans) or just make a few people feel better?
They’re the moms who don’t let their boys drink strawberry milkshakes because they’re pink aren’t they
The message this action sends is the problem, not the action itself
What message? That large companies occasionally change their branding? Honestly it doesn't even seem like they were doing it for progressive brownie points because, to the best of my knowledge, they didn't even advertise that they were making this change.
I had seen a post online of someone saying “I wish they’d remove the ‘female symbol’ from tampon and pad packaging even if it makes one trans person feel less awkward” and I was so confused cause my thought was “ok I agree with the idea except I’ve never ever seen any overtly female symbol on tampon or pad packaging” but I guess that’s different in different areas
UK resident here. I have never even noticed the Venus symbol on the packaging.
That's all.
I actually just bought new sanitary pads and the symbol was on it (first time I've come across it). The first thing that came to my mind was "what about trans people?". It's stupid what some people lose their minds over.
Are those super thin flex foam pads available in the US cause those are way thin.
They changed the boxes in about 2014..2015. I remember them at Walmart with purple packaging and called Venus
hey from the uk here, we also didn't used to have the venus symbol, they added it a while back and are now removing it because of some small backlash from trans men which I remember the second I saw the venus symbol appearing on my pads, immediately thought it was weird and didn't like it
I lived in the UK for 5 1/2 years and always used Always, and never even noticed a Venus symbol on it, unless it was added it after I moved back to the US.