Most players do hate grenades, but JR Smith love them. People on the team loved playing with him for that reason because he was unapologetically not afraid to just hook up the ball whenever he didn’t care about his percentage man was a bucket in his prime.
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The fact that Westbrook averaged a triple-double in 2017 and it was hailed as a singular achievement worthy of an MVP award, and he did it AGAIN the following season to zero fanfare, tells you that it's a superficial novelty
Yup stat padding has quite literally always been a thing. Wilt Chamberlain was notorious for looking at his stat sheet ALOT during games It wasnt until his new coach asked Wilt "Do you want to score alot of points or do you want to win?" Its in the Wilt 30 for 30
Which is why it's hard to judge Wilt's place in the GOAT conversation. Most old heads just point out his, admittedly, jaw-dropping stats when they proclaim him the hands down GOAT, but he didn't win a lot. It's hard to say how many of those points, rebounds, and (undocumented) blocks were in the flow of the game, or him just trying to stat pad. He was an athletic freak with a lot of skill, but his stats were just SO insane and unbelievable that I can't imagine him getting comparable stats in today's game (after adjusting for rule changes and pace of play). Also, though it's a testament to his durability and stamina, he often played every minute of every game, so his stats looked all the more ridiculous
@@j-rey- Its not hard at all. Wilt aint in the convo. Period. Only 3 players are in the GOAT Tier and thats Jordan, Kobe, and Steph. Bird is #4 all time but hes noticeablely behind the other 3. Bird is the best of the next tier under the 3 GOATs
@@j-rey- My comment got deleted for whatever reason but i pretty much said its not hard because Wilt isnt in the convo. Only Steph, Kobe, and Jordan are in the GOAT tier with Larry Bird at #4. Bird is the best of the next tier
Great vid! I love when people take the Westbrook clip vs I think the Spurs in a close game and its always quoted "the Westbrook the media doesn't show you" or something similar and he's passing up the go ahead shot and getting offensive rebounds but the irony about the clip is Westbrook is on his 9th assist trying to get his 10th assist. I just think it's funny that people are mistakenly using a "non-stat padding" clip when in reality it actually is a stat pad clip
I remember watching the game of booker's 70 imagining to see an individual performance for the ages.. to then discover then Phoenix was down by 15 within 5 minutes from the beginning of the game and the whole performance was a 45min garbage time shoot around 😂.
I think it's really cool when a guy gets a triple-double in which one of the stats is not one of the normal three. I think Victor got one last year with blocks being one of the three. That is an accomplishment. Also I like Luka doncic's 73 points because that game was still on the line all the way to the very end. Towns having to be benched because his attempt to score a shitload of points was actually losing Minnesota the game was an awesome moment. Don't think I'll ever really enjoy his game.
@@whatslaps yeah cuz it looks like we’re going to build around him and we’re gonna probably flop on purpose for the next season or too so there’s definitely gonna be a lot of hero ball
With Noah Lyles in the headlines for taking gold again, I think an interesting idea for a video would be exploring that world champion title. Why does the NBA award it? How did it start? Why is it controversial? How could we maybe set up competition where the NBA teams have a chance to meaningfully face international teams? Maybe some sort of club world cup is in order, I dunno. I would love to hear your thoughts
I always thought maybe instead of playoffs the major leagues across the world establish a sort of basketball champions league, single elimination meaningful competition against other top international teams
I actually covered it a bit in FIBA video from last summer. Lyles had just made the comments. I talk a lot about the idea of a club world cup for basketball.
Assists are way more lenient today than back in the day, today you can pass it, the player makes 3 countermoves, scores and you get the assist. That wasn’t the case in the past
@@hakeemolajuwon4352you definitely right, back in the day unless the pass lead directly into a shooting/finishing motion it wasn’t considered an assist
the thing with the thunder always letting russ get rebound getting criticized never made much sense to me bc in that situation u want russ to get the ball as soon as possible. in the chaos of transition at that time no one was more deadly then russ. why not let him get the rebound and go in stride with it. we've seen him go coast to coast to dunk or even just lay it up so many times
It would be better for Russ to get down the court sooner and let his center get the rebound so they can pass it to Russ down the court. It is faster to pass then dribble in transition.
@@best_bud1 most of the rebounds where the let him get it hes already near the ball anyway. sometimes hed like run from the top of the key to get it near the corner but more often he was going from the elbow to the block for a rebound which really isnt much when hes that fast and that much better with the ball
Whats crazy is watching basketball growing up just about none of the players let alone top players would pull bs like this, now most of the top players do
Since you told Russ stans to sound off in the comments... Russ' tenure with the Lakers was objectively bad. There's no defending it. Although, he did have to go through that in order to be as effective as a Clipper, and how he will be for the Nuggets so it worked out in its own way.
@@whatslaps my guess is a lot of reverse pick and roll for Jokic. More backdoor cuts. Denver likes to move the ball so there’s gonna be a lot of cuts for Russ to take. Maybe even do Aaron Gordon things except 6 inches shorter.
There hasn't been a player record 200+ steals since 2009 or a player record 300+ blocks since 2003! 3 of the 4 players to record quadruple doubles were all drafted between 84'-94'! Alvin Robertson recorded the only quadruple double with steals and Olajuwon had 2 quadruple doubles in the same month.
@@whatslaps ever since the zone defense was brought back and the hand check rule was removed, defense has slowly evaporated from the game and offense has been artificially propped up.... And players are still recording less points than in the 80s and 90s... Ever since 2009 the NBA has been pushing gimmicks like 3p jacking and positionless basketball for entertainment value, ironically ratings have dropped since the mid 2010s
I like stat padding that is funny (that giannis oreb at the end of the game) over stat watching especially the turnover one at the end of the shot clock, get the ball and chuck it for fun
I think the problem with it is, that as fans we tend to overvalue stats. Sure, they're handy things, but they're not magically a formula for determining ability. There are probably dozens of impactful players that every team would want, but their stats say otherwise. Conversely, there's a ton of players who's stats imply that they're great, but their actual in real life value says otherwise.
@@whatslapsHard to say. Sometimes high stats are counteracted by things like injuries or other concerns. Like Trae Young maybe, his stats are great, but he has other things tacked on like defence that makes his value lower than you would expect
@@whatslapsas a Bulls fan I’ve seen both ends of the spectrum. Nikola Vucevic puts up good box score stats (to the point of being called a double-double machine) but is one of the worst starting centers in the league. Alex Caruso puts up mid stats on a good day but his impact wins games. Advanced stats are better indicators of their real impact but the eye test makes their respective on-court value obvious.
@@whatslaps if you look at advance stats like per vorp and plus minus the names you expect to be there are. its harder to stat pad those ones. only problem is there isn't really a metric to measure defence.
Bobby Sura tried the Giannis trick back when he was with the Hawks. He has 2 games I believe where he recorded triple doubles and was trying to make it 3 games in a row and missed his own shot at the end to secure a rebound but the league said no. David Robinson's quadruple double was pretty rad . 10 blocks has gotta be a tough one to get to ten .
I don’t know if you’ve done this already, but it would be cool to get your perspective on Stephen A. Smith, and how he’s influenced sports media for the worst (projecting the last part but I bet I’m not far off that you share that perspective)
that would be interesting. subject matter would be a bit of a departure, but I'd really enjoy doing that research. I feel like sports media was trending that way, then first take just leaned as far as possible into it.
I’m pretty sure people have reviewed Stockton’s assists and found there were very few that wouldn’t be counted today. His record is legit as they come.
but also i think Russ OKC is one of the most dominant/dynamic players of all time and refuse to acknowledge any stat padding in his FIRST year averaging a trip doub
I don’t thnk Westbrook was triple-double stat padding with the Lakers. His role had completely changed from his triple-double avg seasons with the Thunder, where he was clearly the first option after KD left, and his usage rate was through the roof. With the Lakers, I don’t think anybody, including Russ, cared about his rebound stats.
Westbrook is one of the most selfish players I think I've ever seen and that's because of his lack of ball movement and the clear videos of him stealing rebounds. People can act like those videos don't exist, but they add to the selfish lure of Russell Westbrook
So often I see players not actually heaving at the end of the quarter and even fake shooting after the clock clearly went off. Happens in the playoffs and finals too, even noticed it in the olympics. Frankly its embarrassing and the worst type of stat chasing.
Yup this is why stats are not as important in the GOAT debate and greatness debates in general, the goal is to win, and stats only tell a bit of it the story
We have video evidence of a certain player checking the stat sheets during games. Hell, one even wore a "Check my stats" T-Shirt after an embarrassing loss! 😂😂
Thing is, for all the talk of Russ being a stat padder with rebounding, Lonzo Ball was being praised for doing the same thing, namely grabbing the board to push the pace. Mind you this was the same season, Lonzo's rookie season.
If a player gets 10 boards or averages 10 but is less than 2,5 in offensive It means he's Just getting uncontested defensive boards.There are metrics for contested but If a player gets 10 boards and none are offensive it's Just uncontested rebounds
Been sick af since sunday. Sorry im late. I owe you a corndog. I think nowadays, since stats are so widely recorded, its just nice to be able to see your performance on paper. Its less of a team sport and more of a "look what i was able to do this game, its on paper" i wouldnt blame em 😂 its a competitive sport. Even if it means you're competing against your own team. You want to be the best on the team, right? They wanna be the ones that people talk about at the end of games 🤷🏾♂️ just dont be a dick about it and win the game.
Hope you're feeling better! That'd be interesting to ask players if they want to be the best on their team. I'd have to assume most guys would say "no" right?
This was a big reason I didn't like Tatum despite rooting for the Celtics last year. His stats are way better than his actual skill on the court because he does crap like this all the time. He's a good when it doesn't matter, mediocre when it does kind of guy. Terrible in the 4th quarter but amazing in the first half against the Hornets and Bulls.
@@jammer9941it isn’t detrimental for his team because he does produce results, it’s just detrimental to his own legacy. The Tatum jokes even now after winning a championship points to that.
@@Sage_Hashish The Tatum jokes are there because people don't like the celtics. Tatum doesn't really do anything worth hating, people just wanna shit on him and him being corny is the butt of the joke. All of it won't matter in the end when he finally retires.
@@hawken796 Tatum is not a bad player by any means, but I've watched every Celtics game the last 3 years and he will never be a legit top 5 player. He is the PF equivalent of Devin Booker; if Tatum got drafted by the Suns, his career would be the same in terms of success as Booker's; he has benefited more from a good team than anyone in the modern era. Tatum has superstar pedigree but doesn't have any elite skills besides rebounding. He gets outshined by every single opposing star and more often than not, by Jaylen Brown. Tatum is underwhelming as a superstar and easily has the worst offensive game of any All-NBA #1 option. The argument is never that he sucks, but that he's not as good as he should be. He won the finals but nobody thinks he belongs anywhere near "best player in the world" conversations and he lost finals NBA to Brown who outshone him all playoffs. His grasp on top 5 slips more every year, as opposed to other players who have made meteoric rises. His offensive peak is just weak compared to his company at the top of the league, while his defense is not All-Defense level like many other All-NBA bigs. He rightly deserves the title of jack of all trades, master of none "superstar."
You get what I am saying Westbrook got heart the ball just not falling in his lap and he drives to the paint a lot that going into o draw a lot of attention and his point he just driving in a pack paint in those okc days where he had to earn is buckets all Russ stats are earned pat stating is what Gianni’s did was stat padding
Idk if assist are more stingy these days. Dribble dribble dribble drive stop spin dribble shoot. Player is credited with assist. Can see this multiple times per game every single game in the last few years
What happened to all the basketball purists?! I swear casuals and fanboys have taken over the entire sports world to where even the players in the league have lost all sense of sportsmanship.
A lot of your video titles has a question in it. I don't recall you answering ANY of these question. Just examples of whatever is in the title. That's funny
You actually don't want the point guard to get the rebound to start the offense. This was never taught at any level of basketball before or after Russ' Most Valuable Padder award. You want one of your slow bigs who is going to be late getting down court anyway to stay and get the rebounds while your guards leak out so the big can pass it to them to start the offense. The ball travels through the air faster than the PG dribbling it down court.
He's a great rebounder but a piss poor defender and what he added in individual value to his rebounds, he lost in defensive effort and ability, and overall team defense.
I think I searched “what is VORP” (years ago) and your video came up, pretty sure it’s the first vid of yours I ever watched. Been ridin with the homie ever since 🫡. Only 12 guys in the league averaged a double double last season, so while yeah it is a bit of an arbitrary number, it does recognize when a player gets a noteworthy amount of stats. Yeah Russ went too far with stat chasing sometimes, made it a little too obvious. That Giannis one was pretty bad too. And maaannn that Ricky Davis example was kinda shameful, 🤦♂️ seriously dude?? Shoutout Mario party. I agree with the Embiid/Klay examples, if it happens naturally over the course of the game then by all means. When Kobe got his 81 the Lakers NEEDED their top scorer to take over to win that game. Klay 82 or torn meniscus equally probable 😆. All in all I think your conclusion is right, stat padding is not the best for the overall well being of what is supposed to be a team oriented game, but it is undeniable that individual numbers play a considerable factor in AT LEAST negotiating contracts (which is obviously quite important for these guys) not to mention contributing how any of them are perceived in this statistics obsessed time that we’re in, to effect their legacy or otherwise. Great vid again bro, appreciate your grind. Hookin us up with that quality NBA fun entertainment.
That rules! I think that video is one of the last ones I have set to non-private. everything before that was not good work. Glad I've VORP corndered on SEO. You were the first person to tell me about Ricky Davis btw. I had another video where I covered stat padding and brought that up. Dang 12 guys averaged a triple double! That has to mean something, but I don't what exactly it tells us. Maybe a topic for another video. thanks for the support as always!
“Stat padding” is yet another new term for something that has been around for ages. This sounds like nonsense to me cause getting a triple double is a good thing for the team and should help ur team win, unless everyone else on the team are $hit or play like $hit🤦♂️ so a guy that gets stats naturally like lebron is a bad thing and is “padding stats”? 🤦♂️Make this make sense
Shot clock turnovers are TEAM turnovers, NOT personal ones. Players and fans alike mistakenly believe this.
I believe Coach Nick from BBALLBREAKDOWN calls it the ballbonic plague
That's right. I think I heard Windhorst explain that.
even 2k counts it as a personal one if i remember correctly
@@RoycoCrunah they count it as a team turnover too
2k counts shotclock violations as personal turnovers, credited to the last ball handler
I think you were thinking of KCP taking the ball form Jokic at the end of game 5 in the denver-min series this year
yes! I think you're right. god bless.
Most players do hate grenades, but JR Smith love them. People on the team loved playing with him for that reason because he was unapologetically not afraid to just hook up the ball whenever he didn’t care about his percentage man was a bucket in his prime.
JR was a beast. Definitely a genuine article on and off the court.
Getting thrown a grenade is a badge of honor your teammates believe in you
Gonna pad your viewer stats and watch this twice. Maybe three times.
I used to have to pad them myself ;)
It was Jokic and KCP. KCP took the ball from Jokic.
yup! that was it!
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I was binging your videos when the notification hit! Another awesome video man can't wait for more.
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The fact that Westbrook averaged a triple-double in 2017 and it was hailed as a singular achievement worthy of an MVP award, and he did it AGAIN the following season to zero fanfare, tells you that it's a superficial novelty
I know. I think people got wise to it, wasn't too much fan fare when he broke the record.
A superficial novelty that hadn't been done in damn near 30 years lol. Stop the🧢. Most people don't want to see Euro ball.
Yeah the basketball community as a whole basically told that mans “that was cool bro, you can chill out now” 😂
Mikal Bridges playing the first 4 seconds of his 83rd game of the season was technically stat padding, but I've got no issue with that one.
yeah, I'll allow it too
Yup stat padding has quite literally always been a thing. Wilt Chamberlain was notorious for looking at his stat sheet ALOT during games
It wasnt until his new coach asked Wilt "Do you want to score alot of points or do you want to win?"
Its in the Wilt 30 for 30
I gotta watch that
Which is why it's hard to judge Wilt's place in the GOAT conversation. Most old heads just point out his, admittedly, jaw-dropping stats when they proclaim him the hands down GOAT, but he didn't win a lot. It's hard to say how many of those points, rebounds, and (undocumented) blocks were in the flow of the game, or him just trying to stat pad.
He was an athletic freak with a lot of skill, but his stats were just SO insane and unbelievable that I can't imagine him getting comparable stats in today's game (after adjusting for rule changes and pace of play). Also, though it's a testament to his durability and stamina, he often played every minute of every game, so his stats looked all the more ridiculous
@@j-rey- Its not hard at all. Wilt aint in the convo. Period. Only 3 players are in the GOAT Tier and thats Jordan, Kobe, and Steph.
Bird is #4 all time but hes noticeablely behind the other 3. Bird is the best of the next tier under the 3 GOATs
@@j-rey- My comment got deleted for whatever reason but i pretty much said its not hard because Wilt isnt in the convo. Only Steph, Kobe, and Jordan are in the GOAT tier with Larry Bird at #4. Bird is the best of the next tier
@@jdrmanmusiqkingthere’s literally no way you hate lebron that much
Great vid! I love when people take the Westbrook clip vs I think the Spurs in a close game and its always quoted "the Westbrook the media doesn't show you" or something similar and he's passing up the go ahead shot and getting offensive rebounds but the irony about the clip is Westbrook is on his 9th assist trying to get his 10th assist. I just think it's funny that people are mistakenly using a "non-stat padding" clip when in reality it actually is a stat pad clip
I know. It's incredible, man. Apparently he's a really nice guy, but just doesn't understand winning basketball.
I remember watching the game of booker's 70 imagining to see an individual performance for the ages.. to then discover then Phoenix was down by 15 within 5 minutes from the beginning of the game and the whole performance was a 45min garbage time shoot around 😂.
I'm sure he's glad. No one really talks about that anymore. Since he's a legit star now.
I think it's really cool when a guy gets a triple-double in which one of the stats is not one of the normal three. I think Victor got one last year with blocks being one of the three. That is an accomplishment. Also I like Luka doncic's 73 points because that game was still on the line all the way to the very end. Towns having to be benched because his attempt to score a shitload of points was actually losing Minnesota the game was an awesome moment. Don't think I'll ever really enjoy his game.
I remember that Towns game. Same night as Embiid's 70.
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Glad you're enjoying the content man!
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I don’t know how Lebron avoided being mentioned in this video.
he paid me off
these videos are so stimulating its beautiful
thanks! that's nice of you to say!
Besides LeBron, Wilt is the greatest stat padder in NBA history. Russel Westbrook as an honorable mention
Also a lot of Wilt's blocks were totally goaltending. It's ridiculous.
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good to know because ik cam thomas gon be doin some nasty stat padding nxt szn 😋
haha, I could see it.
@@whatslaps yeah cuz it looks like we’re going to build around him and we’re gonna probably flop on purpose for the next season or too so there’s definitely gonna be a lot of hero ball
Watched this with my dinner. Life is good
hope it was good. (not a corndog)
Another great video man
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With Noah Lyles in the headlines for taking gold again, I think an interesting idea for a video would be exploring that world champion title. Why does the NBA award it? How did it start? Why is it controversial? How could we maybe set up competition where the NBA teams have a chance to meaningfully face international teams? Maybe some sort of club world cup is in order, I dunno. I would love to hear your thoughts
I always thought maybe instead of playoffs the major leagues across the world establish a sort of basketball champions league, single elimination meaningful competition against other top international teams
A Fifa style world cup would be great. Get the best teams from euroleague and nba to have a playoff run.
I actually covered it a bit in FIBA video from last summer. Lyles had just made the comments. I talk a lot about the idea of a club world cup for basketball.
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Right as I was rewatching his old videos
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Assists are way more lenient today than back in the day, today you can pass it, the player makes 3 countermoves, scores and you get the assist. That wasn’t the case in the past
I think its always been sort of dependent on who doing the score keeping for a given game than it being more or less lenient
I guess it depends the stat keeper.
@@whatslapsnope, I remember the league specifically not counting any assists after 2 dribbles, even if it only took 3 dribbles to get to the bucket.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352you definitely right, back in the day unless the pass lead directly into a shooting/finishing motion it wasn’t considered an assist
the thing with the thunder always letting russ get rebound getting criticized never made much sense to me bc in that situation u want russ to get the ball as soon as possible. in the chaos of transition at that time no one was more deadly then russ. why not let him get the rebound and go in stride with it. we've seen him go coast to coast to dunk or even just lay it up so many times
It would be better for Russ to get down the court sooner and let his center get the rebound so they can pass it to Russ down the court. It is faster to pass then dribble in transition.
@@best_bud1 most of the rebounds where the let him get it hes already near the ball anyway. sometimes hed like run from the top of the key to get it near the corner but more often he was going from the elbow to the block for a rebound which really isnt much when hes that fast and that much better with the ball
@@best_bud1it’s also a way bigger chance of the ball being intercepted.
No one felt like that when JKidd and Magic played
@@coachtali5151 u gotta elaborate bc thats so vague u can mean that in any direction. theres no character limit u dont need brevity
Another video that slaps
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Whats crazy is watching basketball growing up just about none of the players let alone top players would pull bs like this, now most of the top players do
I was paying close enough attention back in the day to be able to compare the eras
Since you told Russ stans to sound off in the comments...
Russ' tenure with the Lakers was objectively bad. There's no defending it. Although, he did have to go through that in order to be as effective as a Clipper, and how he will be for the Nuggets so it worked out in its own way.
I'm curious to see what he looks like in Denver.
@@whatslaps my guess is a lot of reverse pick and roll for Jokic. More backdoor cuts. Denver likes to move the ball so there’s gonna be a lot of cuts for Russ to take.
Maybe even do Aaron Gordon things except 6 inches shorter.
3:41 he did that in OKC too
once a padder, always a padder.
There hasn't been a player record 200+ steals since 2009 or a player record 300+ blocks since 2003! 3 of the 4 players to record quadruple doubles were all drafted between 84'-94'! Alvin Robertson recorded the only quadruple double with steals and Olajuwon had 2 quadruple doubles in the same month.
Oooh. interesting. what does that say to you?
@@whatslaps ever since the zone defense was brought back and the hand check rule was removed, defense has slowly evaporated from the game and offense has been artificially propped up.... And players are still recording less points than in the 80s and 90s... Ever since 2009 the NBA has been pushing gimmicks like 3p jacking and positionless basketball for entertainment value, ironically ratings have dropped since the mid 2010s
@@hakeemolajuwon4352preach
I like stat padding that is funny (that giannis oreb at the end of the game) over stat watching especially the turnover one at the end of the shot clock, get the ball and chuck it for fun
I do too. I would get easy buckets at the end of blow outs. up my ppg
I think the problem with it is, that as fans we tend to overvalue stats. Sure, they're handy things, but they're not magically a formula for determining ability. There are probably dozens of impactful players that every team would want, but their stats say otherwise. Conversely, there's a ton of players who's stats imply that they're great, but their actual in real life value says otherwise.
who do you think has good stats, but low value?
@@whatslapsHard to say. Sometimes high stats are counteracted by things like injuries or other concerns. Like Trae Young maybe, his stats are great, but he has other things tacked on like defence that makes his value lower than you would expect
@@whatslapsas a Bulls fan I’ve seen both ends of the spectrum. Nikola Vucevic puts up good box score stats (to the point of being called a double-double machine) but is one of the worst starting centers in the league. Alex Caruso puts up mid stats on a good day but his impact wins games. Advanced stats are better indicators of their real impact but the eye test makes their respective on-court value obvious.
@@whatslaps if you look at advance stats like per vorp and plus minus the names you expect to be there are. its harder to stat pad those ones. only problem is there isn't really a metric to measure defence.
Bobby Sura tried the Giannis trick back when he was with the Hawks. He has 2 games I believe where he recorded triple doubles and was trying to make it 3 games in a row and missed his own shot at the end to secure a rebound but the league said no. David Robinson's quadruple double was pretty rad . 10 blocks has gotta be a tough one to get to ten .
yeah, there's nothing less cool than trying to force it.
I don’t know if you’ve done this already, but it would be cool to get your perspective on Stephen A. Smith, and how he’s influenced sports media for the worst (projecting the last part but I bet I’m not far off that you share that perspective)
that would be interesting. subject matter would be a bit of a departure, but I'd really enjoy doing that research. I feel like sports media was trending that way, then first take just leaned as far as possible into it.
Can you do a video about good/bad international players, or how to tell if an international player can transition to the nba?
that'd be pretty good. I did one on paths to the NBA comparing NCAA to the Euro professional ball, but didn't quite cover it.
I think Kobe's 81 is the highest scoring game that wasn't a product of stat padding. Even David Robinson padded his stats to get his 70 points.
oh yeah, that's right. wasn't he going for the scoring title?
Thanks for explaining a double double, I didn’t realise that everyone who scores 10 points or 10 rebounds or 10 assists gets a double double
You're welcome!
I’m pretty sure people have reviewed Stockton’s assists and found there were very few that wouldn’t be counted today. His record is legit as they come.
yeah, definitely legend. If you compare CP3s assist to stocktons they're about the same per game. stockton has just played more games.
@@whatslaps Keep it up the great work man, love the videos!
another certified classic
but also i think Russ OKC is one of the most dominant/dynamic players of all time and refuse to acknowledge any stat padding in his FIRST year averaging a trip doub
I think Russ has to be one of the most polarizing players of all time. In his defense KD did like playing with him.
I gotta watch myself and keep my points down next time I’m at the Y. Don’t wanna make it on this list
No doubt. Me and the other old guys have been talking about you.
Your sound effects remind me of bill wurtz. Really good style and I’m sure it takes a lot of effort. 👍🙏🙏
thanks man! just looked at bill wurtz stuff. It doesn't take as much work as it would seem. I developed the process the workflow is pretty smooth.
Aha, Ricky Davis. We'll never forget you bro.
dude, have you seen him try a between the legs dunk and fail?
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do you or will you ever have a podcast
I do long videos on this channel @whatshorts
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0:26 this line caught me so off guard🤣🤣
stay on your toes
I don’t thnk Westbrook was triple-double stat padding with the Lakers. His role had completely changed from his triple-double avg seasons with the Thunder, where he was clearly the first option after KD left, and his usage rate was through the roof. With the Lakers, I don’t think anybody, including Russ, cared about his rebound stats.
yeah true, but I can't come up with another reason for him to play defense like that.
@whatslaps he's a bad defender and he's pretty much always played defense like that.
I love the Giannis offensive rebound at the end of the game. Its just funny
agreed
Westbrook is one of the most selfish players I think I've ever seen and that's because of his lack of ball movement and the clear videos of him stealing rebounds. People can act like those videos don't exist, but they add to the selfish lure of Russell Westbrook
he's playing a different game out there.
Raahhhhhhhh was having a bad day but whatslaps posted so that’s over LFG
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So often I see players not actually heaving at the end of the quarter and even fake shooting after the clock clearly went off. Happens in the playoffs and finals too, even noticed it in the olympics.
Frankly its embarrassing and the worst type of stat chasing.
I know. I hate to glaze Derrick White again, but that guy will chuck anything at the end of the quarter.
@@whatslaps curry too, in fact he tries to get the ball from his teammates to be the designated chucker
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0:50 a double double is when you get 10 or more in 2 indivdual stats. Here i think you say "10 or more in an individual stat"
Yeah, I knew I said it weird. figure y'all already knew anyway what it was.
Yup this is why stats are not as important in the GOAT debate and greatness debates in general, the goal is to win, and stats only tell a bit of it the story
Only God knows who the goat is.
We have video evidence of a certain player checking the stat sheets during games. Hell, one even wore a "Check my stats" T-Shirt after an embarrassing loss! 😂😂
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Hey, I suggested this!
excellent idea
@@whatslaps funny suggestion. How about a video that details what players do that causes them to get hated?
Sabonis will average a triple double next year, with Derozan on the team
God I love this guy
I'm excited to watch kings games next year. might try to make it up to a game.
what do you think of the unwritten rule
I was listening to Channing and RJ talk about this with Georges Niang. I guess it makes sense, sucks for end of the bench guys though
Whaaat? How isn't Andray Blatche mentioned in this?
my bad. I had a time crunch.
Thing is, for all the talk of Russ being a stat padder with rebounding, Lonzo Ball was being praised for doing the same thing, namely grabbing the board to push the pace. Mind you this was the same season, Lonzo's rookie season.
Dude, I barely remember what Lonzo's game looked like.
If a player gets 10 boards or averages 10 but is less than 2,5 in offensive It means he's Just getting uncontested defensive boards.There are metrics for contested but If a player gets 10 boards and none are offensive it's Just uncontested rebounds
offensive rebounds are the real rebounds.
Been sick af since sunday. Sorry im late. I owe you a corndog.
I think nowadays, since stats are so widely recorded, its just nice to be able to see your performance on paper. Its less of a team sport and more of a "look what i was able to do this game, its on paper" i wouldnt blame em 😂 its a competitive sport. Even if it means you're competing against your own team. You want to be the best on the team, right? They wanna be the ones that people talk about at the end of games 🤷🏾♂️ just dont be a dick about it and win the game.
Hope you're feeling better! That'd be interesting to ask players if they want to be the best on their team. I'd have to assume most guys would say "no" right?
@@whatslaps I guess that depends on if they love the fame more than they love the game 🤷🏾♂️ it's contagious, I'd assume.
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@@whatslaps hahaha 🤣
Jokic pads his vorp
he's in the lab working on his WAR rating.
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This was a big reason I didn't like Tatum despite rooting for the Celtics last year. His stats are way better than his actual skill on the court because he does crap like this all the time. He's a good when it doesn't matter, mediocre when it does kind of guy. Terrible in the 4th quarter but amazing in the first half against the Hornets and Bulls.
Does he Stat pad more than other players and does he do it to the detriment of his team?
@@jammer9941it isn’t detrimental for his team because he does produce results, it’s just detrimental to his own legacy. The Tatum jokes even now after winning a championship points to that.
Dude has the highest impact per player on the celtics (on average)
@@Sage_Hashish The Tatum jokes are there because people don't like the celtics. Tatum doesn't really do anything worth hating, people just wanna shit on him and him being corny is the butt of the joke. All of it won't matter in the end when he finally retires.
@@hawken796 Tatum is not a bad player by any means, but I've watched every Celtics game the last 3 years and he will never be a legit top 5 player. He is the PF equivalent of Devin Booker; if Tatum got drafted by the Suns, his career would be the same in terms of success as Booker's; he has benefited more from a good team than anyone in the modern era. Tatum has superstar pedigree but doesn't have any elite skills besides rebounding. He gets outshined by every single opposing star and more often than not, by Jaylen Brown. Tatum is underwhelming as a superstar and easily has the worst offensive game of any All-NBA #1 option. The argument is never that he sucks, but that he's not as good as he should be. He won the finals but nobody thinks he belongs anywhere near "best player in the world" conversations and he lost finals NBA to Brown who outshone him all playoffs. His grasp on top 5 slips more every year, as opposed to other players who have made meteoric rises. His offensive peak is just weak compared to his company at the top of the league, while his defense is not All-Defense level like many other All-NBA bigs. He rightly deserves the title of jack of all trades, master of none "superstar."
I don't mind that Tatum turnover one at all. That game was basically over. No need to get him a turnover.
Me too me too
I hate that work sense it literally be plays where Westbrook get 2 offensive rebounds in possession with a assist that not stat padding that heart
yeah, I see your point of view
You get what I am saying Westbrook got heart the ball just not falling in his lap and he drives to the paint a lot that going into o draw a lot of attention and his point he just driving in a pack paint in those okc days where he had to earn is buckets all Russ stats are earned pat stating is what Gianni’s did was stat padding
Idk if assist are more stingy these days. Dribble dribble dribble drive stop spin dribble shoot. Player is credited with assist. Can see this multiple times per game every single game in the last few years
yeah, depends the stat keeper
Stat padding isn’t a problem. Makes the parts of games that are boring somewhat exciting
that's true. I like watching some games to see if Luka is going to go full chamberlain.
What happened to all the basketball purists?! I swear casuals and fanboys have taken over the entire sports world to where even the players in the league have lost all sense of sportsmanship.
A lot of your video titles has a question in it. I don't recall you answering ANY of these question. Just examples of whatever is in the title. That's funny
"How to spot" seems to always get clicks and questions prompt comments. Gotta play the game to win the prizes!
@@whatslaps Indeed. I really like your videos. I just thought it was funny.
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who me?
Whatslaps, is that what we should call you? What is your favorite NBA team?
sure! I'm rooting for OKC this year.
@@whatslaps I'm a Knicks fan, born and raised. Nat "Sweetwater" Clifton the first Black man to sign on the dotted line in the NBA.
Nobody in the nba is stat padding. That's not a thing. Playing smarter because u have a goal isn't stat padding.
that's very interesting point of view. I'll have to think about that.
You actually don't want the point guard to get the rebound to start the offense. This was never taught at any level of basketball before or after Russ' Most Valuable Padder award.
You want one of your slow bigs who is going to be late getting down court anyway to stay and get the rebounds while your guards leak out so the big can pass it to them to start the offense.
The ball travels through the air faster than the PG dribbling it down court.
that's true that's true.
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@@whatslaps gotta stop commenting whilst high
what tatum did is valid bc derrick white is 100% kicking the can to tatum
exactly. I guess it would have been a team turnover anyway
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huh luka only has 77 triple doubnle he didn't beat russ
I think he'll get there by the end.
It's only stat padding when Black players do it
someone else insinuated that too. sorry if it sounded that way
Not saying that's how YOU think but that's usually how the topic gets introduced. Especially when discussing triple doubles.
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Sounds like a certain group of people trying to discredit players they don’t like. Russ has always been a great rebounder.
Russ is a little too good at rebounds if you feel me.
He's a great rebounder but a piss poor defender and what he added in individual value to his rebounds, he lost in defensive effort and ability, and overall team defense.
Let’s be honest yall keep trying to discredit black players
… yeah, like Luka, Stockton and Sabonis.
Sorry if the video offended you, it wasn't my intention. hope you're doing well.
I think I searched “what is VORP” (years ago) and your video came up, pretty sure it’s the first vid of yours I ever watched. Been ridin with the homie ever since 🫡. Only 12 guys in the league averaged a double double last season, so while yeah it is a bit of an arbitrary number, it does recognize when a player gets a noteworthy amount of stats. Yeah Russ went too far with stat chasing sometimes, made it a little too obvious. That Giannis one was pretty bad too. And maaannn that Ricky Davis example was kinda shameful, 🤦♂️ seriously dude?? Shoutout Mario party. I agree with the Embiid/Klay examples, if it happens naturally over the course of the game then by all means. When Kobe got his 81 the Lakers NEEDED their top scorer to take over to win that game. Klay 82 or torn meniscus equally probable 😆. All in all I think your conclusion is right, stat padding is not the best for the overall well being of what is supposed to be a team oriented game, but it is undeniable that individual numbers play a considerable factor in AT LEAST negotiating contracts (which is obviously quite important for these guys) not to mention contributing how any of them are perceived in this statistics obsessed time that we’re in, to effect their legacy or otherwise. Great vid again bro, appreciate your grind. Hookin us up with that quality NBA fun entertainment.
That rules! I think that video is one of the last ones I have set to non-private. everything before that was not good work. Glad I've VORP corndered on SEO. You were the first person to tell me about Ricky Davis btw. I had another video where I covered stat padding and brought that up. Dang 12 guys averaged a triple double! That has to mean something, but I don't what exactly it tells us. Maybe a topic for another video. thanks for the support as always!
“Stat padding” is yet another new term for something that has been around for ages. This sounds like nonsense to me cause getting a triple double is a good thing for the team and should help ur team win, unless everyone else on the team are $hit or play like $hit🤦♂️ so a guy that gets stats naturally like lebron is a bad thing and is “padding stats”? 🤦♂️Make this make sense
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