Pioneers Say This Wood Last 100 Years. Are They Right?
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YELLOW LOCUST IM WEST VIRGINIA BEST POST
@Nathan if memory serves me correctly on the time frame there was a blight that hit the Locust species in the 60s in North Carolina Tennessee and South West Virginia. One thing also to note. Was that black locust and honey locust were both used on tillage farm equipment to replace bearings you just had to keep grease on it when you were using the tillage disc. I was given a 3-point tillage disc from the fifties and the original owner had to replace the bearings a few years into use. He used Locust blocks that were honed out to fit the rod of the tillage disc and they were still used by me until I sold it 2 years ago.
Fun fact, Black Locust will glow under a black light. Locust trees are rot resistant, but prone to ants, who create pathways for rot, as well as damaging the wood themselves. Certain diseases are also prevalent nowadays in some populations. A forester told me years back that Black Locust started to develop blight like issues and they can be healthy in one county and diseased in the next.
We have a lot of Black Locust and Red Mulberry, but Orange Osage is rare for some reason, even though it grows pretty far north.
I think Orange Osage likes the South in general and the Midwest best.
These three trees, are the most rot resistant of all in North America.
Osage orange was an additional favorite fencepost wood in southern Indiana. Sometimes if they were planted green they would sprout into trees, which is why you could see them growing along fencelines & along roads bordering fields.
It is also known as hedge and the trees grow "hegde apples" every year. Those are useful for preventing bugs in crawl spaces. The wood is so hard it can take some special techniques to work with but in KS there are some custom furniture hobbyist-makers who make wonderful pieces from it.
Another reason you will find osage orange trees in fence rows:
During the dust bowl of the 1930s, osage orange, because it is drought hardy, was planted by the government throughout the Midwest as windbreaks.
Sad to say, thousands of miles of these windbreaks have today been challenged by bulldozers.
The bulldozers won!!!
@@arlynsmith9196 I know bowmakers make great longbows out of osage orange if the tree is big enough
My paternal grandfather made his axe and hammer handles out of hedge apple. He used a draw knife and a piece of glass to shape the wood while it was still green. My double bit axe has a handle made by Grandpa Ernest in 1946 or 1947. His father made the previous handle before WW1.
Awesome story thanks for sharing for sure. I remember a guy in the tiny town of Rathbun Iowa making Hedge Hammer handles Shovel bd spade handles& selling them from his garage when I was a kid my pops would drop off hammers and broken spades and he’s replace them for $1.50-$3 each back in the early 1970’s. Pops said he couldn’t do near as nice a job as that guy did for the time & money he charged
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In Illinois, were I grew up, we used Black locust and osage orange for fence posts. I think the osage orange is better.
If you could find a large enough AND straight enough osage orange tree, it would make the best corner post for your woven wire fence or gate pivot. Cutting it and stapling had to be done while it was still green. My dad burned a piece of an old fence post in his fireplace, Burned so hot, he had it replace the cast iron grate.
I actually have 3 "cookies" that my Farther In-law made for his Granddaughters Wedding about 6 years or so ago I wasn't aware of the significance of them or the history of them, they were used to set the flowers on the guests table and afterward they tried giving them all away I could only fit 3 in the car, and my best friend came over the other day and noticed them and liked them it made me feel good about having them. I am proud of them because my FIL worked hard preparing 26 or 28 of them in his shop. Thank You for teaching me a second thing in this video I am almost 60 and grew up on, around and worked on a farm and livestock so I know what Black Locus was for but never knew what I was touching or repairing so today is a good day. I am always wanting to learn that's why I watch your channel.
Osage Orange was also used in making Recurve Bows for its elasticity…beautiful colors with the reddish /yellow color…
For what it's worth:
Osage orange will last longer as a fence post than black locust.
If you are going to use it for posts, remember this.
Use osage orange for posts only when they are fresh cut (green).
If you wait until they are dry, the wood is so hard it's almost impossible to drive a staple into it.
I was going to suggest the osage orange. There are a lot of them in middle Tennessee
In SW Missouri Osage Orange is know as hedge. I have carved dried Hedge for a sculpture. It dulled every piece of powdered carving gear I had, but it produced a nice effect. You are correct that a staple cannot be driven into a dried post nor can a screw be driven into one without being proceeded by a pilot hole.
Osage orange and black locust are in the same family we don't have Osage orange here in western Idaho but we have lots of black locust great fence posts if you can drive a staple in .
@rickdespain5363 For what it's worth from an old-time forestry major.
Osage orange and black locust are not in the same family.
Osage orange - maclura pomifera, family - moraceae (mulberry family)
Black locust - robinia pseudoacacia, fabaceae (pea family)
Both used correctly make very long-lasting fence posts.
Thanks for clarifying that I was not familiar with that wood but lord yes Hedge we had that all over Southern Iowa Northern Missouri and yes you can’t drive a nail in without pre drilling for sure
Thanks for sharing with us Nathan. Hope you can get ahold of some decent Locust to use for your project. It is a real pain to work with. Stay safe and keep up the good work around there. Fred.
Black locust must be similar to Bois d''arc, Osage orange, that we have in Texas, very dense yellow wood. The Indians used it to make long bows. Excellent bow wood.
Nathan, it may be a good time to look for about 3-5 acres near you to use and be able to expand operations. Adjacent would be wonderful but few neighbors like to sell.
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HEDGE APPLE, Osage Orange, Horse Apple, Monkey Ball, Maclura Pomifera In northern Ohio we used Osage Orange, as others have mentioned, for fence posts and other posts.
used as a fence post would Indeed, if planted, would start to grow. Strange chore on the farm go trim the new growth on the posts.
Our fence posts were always Locust. Somewhere between 1860 and 1900 the fences were installed on our farm . Just a few still standing now.
Large honey locust logs saw up into beautiful lumber. I had black locust posts in my garden fence (whole logs, not lumber), and they lasted 20-something years.
Well, we had some locust around our former residence in Southern Ohio. Some had the Honey Locust giant thorns and some very small. The small thorned were used for fence posts a lot. We burned the cut offs in our wood stove and it did put off a lot of heat...even green! I noticed a blue flame off some. I don't know why but there sure was a small blue flame and only on the black locust. Greg
Nathan...didja know that when exposed to UV light, the black locust wood appears fluorescent green!
I turned a few bowls from Black Locust and never have a problem locating it on the shelf.
Here in Ireland we use Oak Stakes and if there left to dry after you cut them you never get a nail or staple into them a lot of farmers predrill them first
I made the mistake of using honey locust a few years ago because I was one post short and didn't want to make a trip back to town for one post. After only about 5 years, it had rotted to pulp at the ground. They smell good when they're blooming, but aren't good for much else.
Except catching their thorns in your skin…..OUCH!
Similar to elm, would be mostly used for internal joinery/furniture.
Honey Locust is an interesting wood, but not for any rot resistance.
Around here in Oklahoma we have bois d'arc, some people call the horse apple or Osage orange, they are very rot resistant. They are used for fence post. the old timers say for a line post cut them two ax handles long for corner post cut them three ax handles long. I know it seems like the longer they are in the ground the harder they get. They make some pretty lumber too.
Black locust is my favorite timber. The grain can be spectacular. Fluoresces too.
Black locust grows all over here in Italy.
Italians make honey from it which is delicious.
And fry up the flowers in batter.
I’m waiting for my wood mill so I can mill up some storm fallen ones for my bridge. Pine boards on it last about 5 years with tar (it’s over a waterfall) I figured black locust would probably be the best choice of boards.
Good morning.
Morning
I remember reading a successful farming magazine from the 1940's on how to make an extra five hundred dollars a year selling black locust fence posts.
Interesting
My parent had a lot of black locust on their property in east central Missouri. I loved them. They smell sweet in the Spring and the branches have an interesting habit in the winter.
They do make great fire wood. I read an article several years ago that you could have a constant supply of wood if you plant a lot of Black Locust. Cut every fourth or fifth one each year. They sprout from the stump and will be a decent size in four or five years to be cut again.
When I was in Ecuador, I noticed that the farmers used live trees for fence poles. Our guide told us that it was a better option than buying manufactured posts. The reason was due to the weather. A store bought post would rot in less than a year. Don't remember what like of tree they used. But one that sticks out in my mind is the ironwood tree.
On our farm we keep a grove of locus trees as a continuous supply of fence posts, makes great firewood
absolutely my favorite tree! would love to saw it sometime
We had an old barn on our farm that was built out of cypress and after a hundred years that barn is still solid. You can tell this was definitely old growth wood because some of the boards were 16 to 20 inches wide.
Loved this video. Every log is not always perfect but even in its imperfection it was enjoyable.
Gloves and carefully handling of these logs is a must. I saw the large thorns on this log. Yes they are pain full because of the poisonous sap & they are very sharp and tough. Locust logs are almost rot resistant. I have a pile I buried after cleaning a fence line.....30 years ago. A neighbor used his broom handle size limbs as fence posts (aka T posts) Many are still standing 50 years later.
I've had the thorns flatten a tractor tire before while bush hogging all the fluid in the back tire almost leaked out when I went back a couple days later so I went to have it repaired and they got 2 thorns out of the right rear tire!!
In our neck of the woods (Kansas) the Osage Orange or Bodark tree is the preferred post wood. There are still fence posts holding up some fence that were put in in the 1890's. You'll never drive a nail into them and I've struck sparks off of a chain saw trying to cut into them.
Waves from the Pratt area
Yup, cut many osage posts and I use osage for my boiler, stuff is super dense, heavy and burns HOT. waves from Miami County!
I wondered if that’s what he was going to talk about when I saw the description. We have “hedge apples” in the southern counties in Iowa.
Wave from clay/plat area.
That’s what we called that in Southern Iowa Hedge.
Just up the road from you in Pound, VA my dad had a tractor shed made of black locust that his father cut and built back in the 1930's. It's still standing today.
iI grew up in Iowa and now live in souther missouri in both of these areas Hedge -Osage ornge are the go too for post
they also use to use black locus for guard rail and here in WV they still split the for fence post
Interesting
Thanks for the education on black locust. It's a nice looking wood, and that bark is really something!
Still have black locust posts on our property that were installed by my great grandfather. The barbed wire had all rusted away. They won’t be around much longer but I do love to walk the property line and see the few that are still standing.
I built a small pergola over 25 years ago out of red oak 4x4 i salvaged.coverd all the post with roofing tar, they all roted off but one, turned out to be white oak. The white oak is still solid as a rock!!
Here in eastern Ohio there's still the locust posts that my grandfather put in for the fence back in the 1940's. Although many of the posts can be pushed back n forth cause the bottoms have rotted into cone shapes, some of the post's wood that's above ground can still have fence staples put in it. Back in the late 70's to early 80's he started putting the used motor oil on the posts which significantly helped preserve them for another 4o years.
Your viewing angles are something else. Always something new.
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Nathan I live way north west of you in Alberta Canada. Lot of small sawmills use cutoffs in a hot water boiler. Water is sent to kilns an to heat shops.lots of home made. Helps reduce cost great use of useless woods you dispose of.
I'm in upstate NY straight down from Syracuse almost into PA. Black locust was the go to tree for fence post. Today you see it if you know what you are looking for around old farms. Some farms have locust trees in their front yard that are as big as a full grown oak. . I have hunted on farms or former farms that have patched of locust growing. You don't see it along the roads so much . If you drive into PA and drive the secondary old two lane highways you see a lot of it growing along the roads . I don't know what is so different between here and twelve miles down the road but for some reason it grows along the roads more down there .
I found out that black locust if a great firewood. I had a couple of fence post too crooked to use so I cut them up . They burn like they have gasoline in them but also, burn a real long time .
We have walnut here but in my area it's more of a yard tree. I don't recall seeing any in the forest while hunting. Go to the next county over and towards Ithaca(about 50 miles) and it's everywhere . In the summer you smell it all over Cornell University . Drive down roads in the fall out that way and there are walnuts all over the sides of the roads . It was where Ithaca gun factory was . I don't know how much walnut for stocks came from that area
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On my farm there was a barn with a old log cabin it was built around that was used as a corn crib
when I lived with my sister near Asheville, North Carolina, she told me about the "R-value" in wood. The higher the R-value, the hotter the wood burned. Black locust was near the top. she would find some rotten locust logs and they burned hotter than even recent cut wood!
There was also cases where farmers would put in a lust fence post row and some of the post sprouted leaves! Then these leaving out posts later became trees!
We use yellow locust here in WV, it lasts for many years unless it’s sawed & sharpened.
We have a lot of black locust around here and the old timers would always say, "Be sure to use black locust for your fenceposts because one post will outlast two holes."
I live two hrs n/e of Pittsburgh and i have several you’d be welcome to, dang shame you are so far away. Was told by an old man that locust needs split rather than sawn to keep its longevity or unsawn as i put in years ago using small trees. Blessings
i've had sparks come when cutting hickory...that is REALLY hard, dense wood - and there isn't any better firewood. (locust is as good but it's all gone here in ohio)
When I had my farm in the Piedmont area of Virginia I would cut a couple of cords of Black Locust in the spring. What I did not use for fence posts during the summer I would cut up for fire wood as when it dries some you are not going to get a staple into it.
If memory serves, black locust was the wood of choice for use as "props" used in the underground anthracite mines of northeastern Pennsylvania. The props held up the ceilings of the tunnels dug as the coal mines progressed into the mountains where the coal was. There are probably a lot of them still doing their job, as the mines haven't collapsed yet!
Nathan,
This is kind of fortuitous because in the last few weeks I too just cut some cookies but they were from a black locust tree here in Western Washington. These trees are not indigenous to the area. This one was planted by a pioneer 80 or 90 years ago. Unfortunately, the tree was cut into firewood lengths before I got to it so I did not get any good lumber out of it but did get some great table tops. Also, the tree was covered in burls so I got a bunch of them too. This tree was rotted in the center of the lower 10 feet of the tree but the rest was solid all the way through. It is beautiful wood but very heavy. I didn't see any sparks when cutting it .
In woodworking catalog advertising all types of wood available from all over the earth,the only wood type listed unavailable was Persimmon,which is a beautiful. type of wood very unique and there is some trees that are big enough to make nice lumber and you can name your price for it
there are still a few fence post my grandfather put in that have to be 90 years old they were sawmilled post. i think to make them last the have you have to peel the bark off and let them dry. if you put them in green with the bark on they they will put out limbs and rot. they make nice lumber but are hard on blades they need to be stickered and stacked or they will bow up bad.. i have only sawed 2 logs.they will last a lot longer that treated we have treated ones that didn,t last 5 years. take care, be safe and well.
I grew up on a farm in cookeville tn we had black locust on it two things I remember about trees I cut down a lot of trees because they was dead for fire wood and they would dull my chain they was very hard wood
We had black locust fence posts on the farm in CT. It was hard to drive the fencing staples without bending it. Very hard.
Back home the old timers would soak them in salt brine to help preserve them.
Black locust has a peculiar odor when it burns. Also, the flames a blue and the fire is really hot.
Our main post wood post his hedge here in Iowa
Damaging Agents- Black locust is severely damaged by insects and disease, probably more than any other eastern hardwood species. Ubiquitous attacks by the locust borer (Megcallene robiniae) and by the heart rot fungi Phellinus rimosus or Polyporus robiniophilus make growing black locust for timber production impractical. Locust borer larvae construct feeding tunnels throughout the wood, and the holes serve as entry points for heart rot fungi that cause extensive wood decay.
In my area,Va,my family called this yellow locust because of yellow color.
Awesome content, Nathan!
I've made cutting boards from it,knife handles and pistol grips. The wood is still pristine.Osage orange is also a pain to machine
In , my back yard ive got 100+ year old wood posts near liberty mo.
Standing they look a like like that post, but my back yards also full of locust trees the wood is as hard as can be, and the thorns are long enough to go in your foot and out the top of your shoe, they hurt like hell if you step on one.
The bad locust log could be a treasure to a woodworker who uses epoxy. Clearly it would take alot of epoxy, but it would make great turning blanks, or a beautiful mantle.
cookie cutter, i use my alaskan saw mill and cut cookies that where 28 inches across. they actually presented the wedding cake on it .
I'm near Asheville and have several locust on the mountain behind me but I don't think i want to chance trying them on my mill.
It is a pleasure to watch your youtube videos thank you
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I'm located in up-state NY near Cooperstown. we have a 70+ acre piece of property with a 5+ acre grove of black locus. We call it Iron Wood for good reason - you can't drive a nail in them with out bending it and it's hell to try to take a nail out. The momma tree has got to be 3 ft in diameter and is too tall to guess. about the only thing we us them is post. My son is a part time sawyer and he wants nothing to do with them because they eat up blades.
Nathan. On a log like the one from the old pole barn. Do you have to do a really good going over looking for metal in it such as nails??
I think he has a handheld wand he uses like a TSA Lumberjack.
I've always heard that about Osage orange.
Cheers !!
I was hoping you'd say chestnut...a tree that will hopefully begin being restored to eastern forest in the near future.
Sulpuric Acid rains from coal fired power plants that had no exhaust treatment systems back in the 1850's up till the early 1970's really put the hurt on hardwoods. Then the EPA was established and made it mandatory to install exhaust treament systems to cut down the sulpher emissions.
Im in southern indiana. I got a lot of black locust trees. How many do you need lol.
Interesting video. I know the guy who owns & operates Johnson City Stone Supply. My son and the owner, Zach, were buddies when they were kids and both lived in FL. Good honest family owned company ... should you need stone work.
I think they love sandy soil, and their nitrogen fixing bacteria can help improve the soil.
I don't see them naturally as much, in rich clay soil, but they can be planted just about anywhere, but they love soil that they can improve.
hello nathan it's is randy and i like yours video is cool thanks nathan friends randy
Old boy told me that black locust fence posts would outlast the hole.
great video Nathan, couldn't you put a weight of your choice on the log when your cutting cookies, mite not have to go back and forth
My father use to say that locust would last longer in the ground then iron..but only two days..
You need to be a rail splitter like Honest Abe/ Paul Bunyan as most of the black locust fence post where I grew up in Ohio were split not sawed!!!! Some were twisted but place in the ground straight up!!!! See you gave up on what most men would rail spit it and got 2/ 4 post out of the log!!! But the your Machine determined the choice what to do!!!As I say they were twisted and in the ground!!!
that unchinked deal inside the barn? Could that have been a corn crib?- Tyler
Have you found any chestnut in those old barns?
We used hedge or Osage Orange or bodarkm .
11:50 can't you de bark the cedar and make siding out of the top cuts like a log cabin look maybe for a workshop.
Another under rated wood is catalpa. They are also supposed to be rot resistant.
Locusts being a nitrogen fixer it might be that there is an abundance of nitrogen where they have been planted and they have completed their job until nitrogen can be used up. Either that or they don't like particulate in air like aluminum. Don't know.
that 1st one on the loader looked tobe many saplings that grew together
Agreed
It looks like the original rot, in that Black Locust, was
the result of multiple trunks? 😁✌🖖
Big plus with owning my little woodland mill .my wood shed is full .Jw shop time jeep and wood channel
Can you burn slabs in a wood boiler to heat a wood fired kiln? Run a kiln on waste slabs?
with the right set up yes
Dead dry locus will definitely throw sparks off a chain saw.
You git that right and will dull a chain in a hurry!
Time to address those light my friend
As a departure from the gist of this video, black locust blooms make some of the best honey there is. Put your hives close.
The old growth locust lasted much longer. Many lasted 80 years or much longer. Most locust today won’t last 10 years as a fence post due to the density being to low. Splitting locust post rather than sawing them will make them last much longer because you aren’t cutting the grain simply splitting it.
Very educational, RB, NovaScotia.
why dont you buy the jig
I'm not close to you but we have bunch nice black locus
Would slab wood be usable for fire wood?
I didnt like cutting down osage, when i was in the tree business, dull a trim saw before you got start, female trees have nasty thorns on them , while the male osage does not, but as everyone has said , black locust and osage are your go to fence posts, and for fire wood osage puts out the most btu's of any fire wood
Sorry guys, cypress is the very Best wood to use if you want it to last at least 100yrs -plus, I've seen bridge abutments in Louisiana being replaced after100 yrs of being wet and in the ground &they looked fairly good considering the environment they was used in,
Is that timber toxic?
Don’t think so