THANK YOU for properly praising George Kellgren! He IS brilliant and creative, making a whole series of innovative and revolutionary firearm designs. He did not get great respect only because he used more "plastic" (fiberglass impregnated polymer resin) than anyone else dared to, WAY before everyone else got on the bandwagon. I believe his first commercial design was the pocket backup pistol, the Grendel .380, in about 1986? It was revolutionary, a double action only internal magazine 10 rounder. A perfect police backup, it had no removable magazine to fall out, and no exterior levers or buttons to fumble with. It could even be topped-off with ammo from the TOP. Oddly, Kellgren has never patented his designs, preferring to keep busy making new ones! Several name-brand gun makers have directly copied his pistol designs and sold millions of them with only cosmetic changes---and no credit given to the original designer..........................elsullo
I owned one. It was pretty reliable, but it had a fair amount of recoil for a .380, and some pretty bad trigger slap. Kel-Tec has some great designs, but their execution is questionable.
@@jacobstrutner8232 Innovation comes at a cost, and I find it sad that more people are mad at KelTec than they are at Sig. They both make innovation, both have QC issues, but one of them has some bad customer service *ahem * sig *ahem *
I just bought one with 6 mags for 450 bucks. I saw it today at my LGS. Can't wait to get to work and shoot it. Lucky me I work at a gun range. I'm looking forward to shooting it. Thanks for doing this review as this helped me decide to buy the one I saw today. Especially, since I own a PMR30 also. I love the .22 magnum round for great plinking fun.
I carried a Grendel P12 380 in my pocket under a very light jacket for about 10 years. I had to mess with the feed ramp to get it reliable and it had a hell of a kick but it was a micro 380 before there were micro 380s
1:12 Shiet Eric, you want a new mag, hit up Print Shoot Repeat. He can get you some p30 mages printed up in a jiffy. He's been making some crazy stuff with those 3d printers.
What a cool little pistol. Love seeing old quirky stuff like this. Kel-Tec is a cool company, we need people who try to innovate like they do. It’s great to see them release what is essentially just prototypes to the public as well, they could just release one or two designs that are perfect but they put out all kinds of interesting guns. Say what you want about them but they are unique.
That makes two of us, Last I heard there was an out fit in the UK that had a WMR upper and last word was they where going to import to the US but last I checked it has`nt happened.
this is the most overlooked rimfire cartridge. I realized that as soon as I saw what a cmr30 and pmr30 can do. The ballistics gel comparison against 5.7x28 is amazing
People have know about the stopping power of this round for a long time I’ve personally seen a 22 mag drop a deer with 4 fast shots to the chest I’ve lost count of the number of deer I’ve watched a 22 mag kill.
@@samuelmoyer7862 I might be a little bit younger than you, I think most people from my generation dont notice this cartridge, its not very popular in the industry, not as much as 22lr or even 17hmr
I have one that’s unfired, supposed to come with 2 mags but mine only had one. I’ve heard that you can modify a pmr 30 mag to work in it. Thanks for shooting yours for me to live vicariously through. I’ve also run a light bead of glue under the retention notch on my new PMR 30 pistol mags that very effectively helped them snug up vs the 1/8 in of play that’s typical. That greatly improved the feeding reliability. I’m going to check my Grendel for that sloppy fit. Of course there are aftermarket full overhaul kits for the PMR 30 now but the little magazine snug trick really improves feeding.
Back in the 90s I see one of this going full auto in the range and that was the first time the owner fire the gun. Later problem was fix. Great memories.
@@patricktitan4241 I LIKE a heavy trigger for a gun designed without any safeties, IF that heavy trigger is smoooooth, like the Kel-tec is. I just consider it a four-finger grip! My P-11 trigger got lighter over time, and never failed in any way over twenty years and hundreds of rounds fired accurately........................elsullo
The fluted chamber was to aid in extraction under the higher pressures of 22wmr. Due to the length of the cartridge the spent casing hed to begin extraction under higher chamber pressure for a blowback system to work. The pmr30 if I remember correctly actually uses a delayed blowback system similar to a 92fs.
I have shot a Grendel P30, my friend has one that was shot only around 50 times. I wasn't into the gun that much at the time, but I can appreciate this video. Eric, if he ever sells it, I will see you will get 1st chance at it.
Those P30s were a wonderful pistol. I had one that I bought in 91. It had the 7" barrel and was a good rabbit gun. I had gotten 2 extra mags for it. With 3 full mags you had a full day at the range. Mine was accurate enough that while rabbit hunting I was able to get head shots every time. I wish I never got rid of it.
The Grendel has a fluted chamber to help release a fired cartridge, the Early pmrs had flutes on the outside of the barrel, I have both, the p mr always had a hybrid locked/blow back action. This did not change with the later p mr barrels
Kellgren’s P 11 pistol held 10 rounds of 9mm in a 17 oz package that was one inch wide...in 1995! About 25 years ahead of the “micro 9” era we are in now. It also was able to use certain S&W magazines which increased the capacity into the teens. Love or hate Kel Tec, but it’s undisputed that they were innovators.
I had one for 25 years and hundreds of rounds, and it never EVER failed in any way with factory magazines! Always very accurate too!.............................elsullo
I own 3 Kel-Tec's and will buy more once I can because I myself love that company. I had one issue in the last 7 years and they bent over sideways to resolve it. I never got that treatment from the companies that made my other firearms.
I had one. Most fun piece of crap I have ever owned. Some days ran flawless. Others jammed every time. Rail bent up on one side and the slide popped off. Traded it for a nice multi band grundig radio.
I found that mine worked flawlessly with Winchester ammo. Was told that it was designed for Winchester ammo. Don't know but I would get stove pipes and misfired with CCI and other loads. Gonna keep it forever. Unique gun.
I have one, 3 mags. It is so much fun. I mean all the shots with just the one mag change. Plus I love watching the fire balls you should shot at dush, even more fun
I have carried a PF-9 in my pack pocket for years. Shoot it at least 6 times a year. 50 rounds each time. 124 grain Gold Dot standard pressure. No problems.
Every time I hear somebody say that Sig started this new craze with the p365, I always remind them that the Kel Tec P11 predates it by a good decade. Kel-Tec is a seriously underrated Firearms manufacturer.
Put an LA2XM, Laser Aim Red Dot sight on it! And the lighter spring with the muzzle brake... You can use Hollow Point WMR .22MAG with the hollow point drilled out and filled with Zippo lighter flint replacements, only if you modify the feed lips on the magazine to slightly adjust the angle of the bullet when it hits the ramp.. Then target practice on steel 5 gallon blazo cans with a ½ cup of gasoline in them. 😊❤
@@ColeWatchTower Really? I was very disappointed by it. It's the only gun I've ever sold because I didn't like it. It's fun when it works which is only about 40% of the time. It's good for practicing clearing malfunctions,that and the fireball it produced was probably the best thing about the gun.
*3:26** - Something good to say about the flex in a polymer frame pistol; Polymer absorbs much of the sting that steel frame pistols get when shooting powerful cartridges.* *e.g.; Shooting 10mm from a Glock 20, vs a 1911 - big difference.*
They made hearing protection just for the 22 mag , it's the loudest pistol I've ever fired , but highly underrated , shoot's same weight bullet as a 223 just slower ! I'm in Saskatchewan and aboriginals can legally use any caliber , the 22 mag has taken many moose here , it's head and shoulders above the 22 !
I can still hear the first .22 Magnum revolver shot that I ever fired without hearing protection. I went deaf for a couple of days! Now, fifty years later, my ears still ring---all of the time..........................elsullo
I got one of these from a co-worker for basically nothing, but the magazine catch is missing/broken. I guess I can shoot one at a time or hold the magazine in. It's cool to just have it sitting in the safe.
The screws backed out of the top of mine somewhere around 300 maybe 350rds. Added some lock tight. She just keeps on truckin had some stovepipes when dirty with bulk win anything else has ran great.
We all got USSR to thank for that "polymer" gun research, as they were the first to go into that field, the prototypes that never went into production were so advanced it's unreal, the TKB-022PM is as far as I know the lightest intermediate bullpup to this day.. Imagine if they had the polymer we have to day then.. Korobov would probably whip-up a 2 pound 5.45x39 assault rifle, and on top of the light weight the 22PM had a special design which greatly decreased recoil, so he didn't run into the usual issue of lightweight rifles.
I had one of these got rid of it about 5 years ago it was finicky with ammo it would run CCI maxi mag 0059 30 grain HP+V and Hornady Critical Defense 45 grain Gold Dot short barrel 40 grain reliably would not run with anything else very reliably such as Armscor Remington Winchester Federal
I'm calling bullshit as I own APM R30 currently and You most definitely can squeeze the grips on it ! It feels like a goddamn toy but once I fixed the magazine not seating all the way it runs like a champ
My dad bought one of these in 1994. I have it now. Took my CCW class with it. Really cool gun.
THANK YOU for properly praising George Kellgren! He IS brilliant and creative, making a whole series of innovative and revolutionary firearm designs. He did not get great respect only because he used more "plastic" (fiberglass impregnated polymer resin) than anyone else dared to, WAY before everyone else got on the bandwagon. I believe his first commercial design was the pocket backup pistol, the Grendel .380, in about 1986? It was revolutionary, a double action only internal magazine 10 rounder. A perfect police backup, it had no removable magazine to fall out, and no exterior levers or buttons to fumble with. It could even be topped-off with ammo from the TOP. Oddly, Kellgren has never patented his designs, preferring to keep busy making new ones! Several name-brand gun makers have directly copied his pistol designs and sold millions of them with only cosmetic changes---and no credit given to the original designer..........................elsullo
I owned one. It was pretty reliable, but it had a fair amount of recoil for a .380, and some pretty bad trigger slap. Kel-Tec has some great designs, but their execution is questionable.
My uncle passed this year. Went thru his gun case. Found one of these. Thanks!
Channeling his inner Ian for this forgotten weapon.
There was a lot of background info, yeah! Loving it. 😊
@@Stevarooni I like Eric's breakdowns. he seems genuinely interested and excited.
Gun Jesus*
We need more semi auto 22wmr handguns! Love the round!
I wish Kel-tec would make a pistol the size of the P17 in .22wmr so I could pocket carry it.
Agreed
Way too expensive.
@@stevennewman4778 Why?
@@CharlieMikeNS Compared to how many other 30-round .22 Magnum pistols?...........................elsullo
KelTec has done more for actual physical gun design than most manufacturers in recent years.
Designs so good that they've been copied by SCCY and Ruger. I'm surprised Ruger wasn't sued for patent infringement.
But keltek has problems with quality control. Great imagination and creativity, but questionable quality control.
@@danielaramburo7648 they haven't had issues in years while other way bigger names have had worse issues. *cough* sig *cough*.
@@jacobstrutner8232 Innovation comes at a cost, and I find it sad that more people are mad at KelTec than they are at Sig. They both make innovation, both have QC issues, but one of them has some bad customer service *ahem * sig *ahem *
I just bought one with 6 mags for 450 bucks. I saw it today at my LGS. Can't wait to get to work and shoot it. Lucky me I work at a gun range. I'm looking forward to shooting it. Thanks for doing this review as this helped me decide to buy the one I saw today. Especially, since I own a PMR30 also. I love the .22 magnum round for great plinking fun.
How much for a magazine? I just inherited one from my father..
@@Jessicasmith-il3nd Check gunbrokers for one or other websites like that. They are going from 80-100 bucks right know each.
Much more respect for Kel-Tec after I watched this video.
I love my pmr30 I had no idea there was a gun that came before it. Neat stuff!
My reaction too. I kinda want one now.
This gun is soooo much fun to shoot. Very low recoil, HUGE muzzle flash and BOOM.
I carried a Grendel P12 380 in my pocket under a very light jacket for about 10 years.
I had to mess with the feed ramp to get it reliable and it had a hell of a kick but it was a micro 380 before there were micro 380s
1:12 Shiet Eric, you want a new mag, hit up Print Shoot Repeat. He can get you some p30 mages printed up in a jiffy. He's been making some crazy stuff with those 3d printers.
What a cool little pistol. Love seeing old quirky stuff like this. Kel-Tec is a cool company, we need people who try to innovate like they do. It’s great to see them release what is essentially just prototypes to the public as well, they could just release one or two designs that are perfect but they put out all kinds of interesting guns. Say what you want about them but they are unique.
I wish the m&p 15-22 was available in this round
That'd be sick. This or 17 HMR
I wish ANY polymer AR was in 22 mag!!! Lol
That makes two of us, Last I heard there was an out fit in the UK that had a WMR upper and last word was they where going to import to the US but last I checked it has`nt happened.
this is the most overlooked rimfire cartridge. I realized that as soon as I saw what a cmr30 and pmr30 can do.
The ballistics gel comparison against 5.7x28 is amazing
People have know about the stopping power of this round for a long time I’ve personally seen a 22 mag drop a deer with 4 fast shots to the chest I’ve lost count of the number of deer I’ve watched a 22 mag kill.
@@samuelmoyer7862 I might be a little bit younger than you, I think most people from my generation dont notice this cartridge, its not very popular in the industry, not as much as 22lr or even 17hmr
I have one that’s unfired, supposed to come with 2 mags but mine only had one. I’ve heard that you can modify a pmr 30 mag to work in it. Thanks for shooting yours for me to live vicariously through. I’ve also run a light bead of glue under the retention notch on my new PMR 30 pistol mags that very effectively helped them snug up vs the 1/8 in of play that’s typical. That greatly improved the feeding reliability. I’m going to check my Grendel for that sloppy fit. Of course there are aftermarket full overhaul kits for the PMR 30 now but the little magazine snug trick really improves feeding.
Back in the 90s I see one of this going full auto in the range and that was the first time the owner fire the gun. Later problem was fix. Great memories.
Thanks
I have a p12 grendel...I bought it new back when I was young and poor. It has always been reliable.
If I knew then what I know now I would have bought every Grendel I could find. I really thought the stripper fed guns were fascinating.
i remember seeing 1 in a pawnshop 1993 fayetteville, nc for 110.00
Until u try the trigger lol.
@@patricktitan4241 I know I have a P11.
@@patricktitan4241 I LIKE a heavy trigger for a gun designed without any safeties, IF that heavy trigger is smoooooth, like the Kel-tec is. I just consider it a four-finger grip! My P-11 trigger got lighter over time, and never failed in any way over twenty years and hundreds of rounds fired accurately........................elsullo
I've never seen or heard of this pistol before. How cool!
The fluted chamber was to aid in extraction under the higher pressures of 22wmr. Due to the length of the cartridge the spent casing hed to begin extraction under higher chamber pressure for a blowback system to work. The pmr30 if I remember correctly actually uses a delayed blowback system similar to a 92fs.
Bought mine in 1993 and still have it,haven't fired it in 20 years but it was a fun shooter
I always had good luck with Kel tec. My first carry gun was a p11. They make some of the most interesting guns
I have shot a Grendel P30, my friend has one that was shot only around 50 times. I wasn't into the gun that much at the time, but I can appreciate this video. Eric, if he ever sells it, I will see you will get 1st chance at it.
Grendel has an amazing eye for designing good looking guns
Those P30s were a wonderful pistol. I had one that I bought in 91. It had the 7" barrel and was a good rabbit gun. I had gotten 2 extra mags for it. With 3 full mags you had a full day at the range. Mine was accurate enough that while rabbit hunting I was able to get head shots every time. I wish I never got rid of it.
I’m selling one In great condition
@@joshmcmillan8 wow,
I wish you’d let Chad take more shots on camera. If he’s there. I like hearing both of your inputs on everything.
The Grendel has a fluted chamber to help release a fired cartridge, the Early pmrs had flutes on the outside of the barrel, I have both, the p mr always had a hybrid locked/blow back action. This did not change with the later p mr barrels
George Kellgren has always been an innovator. Not afraid to go outside of the norm.
That 22 magnum is no joke..I love it!
I bet a lot of u guys dont even know that Kellgren ( Göran Lars Magnus ) is swedish. Born in Borås Sweden and moved to USA in 1979.
Kellgren’s P 11 pistol held 10 rounds of 9mm in a 17 oz package that was one inch wide...in 1995! About 25 years ahead of the “micro 9” era we are in now. It also was able to use certain S&W magazines which increased the capacity into the teens. Love or hate Kel Tec, but it’s undisputed that they were innovators.
I had one for 25 years and hundreds of rounds, and it never EVER failed in any way with factory magazines! Always very accurate too!.............................elsullo
Kel Tec may not be the best, but always interesting and inovative.
Love the props for George Kellgren
I own 3 Kel-Tec's and will buy more once I can because I myself love that company. I had one issue in the last 7 years and they bent over sideways to resolve it. I never got that treatment from the companies that made my other firearms.
Loved my p17 22lr but I had to sell it:/
Slick looking pistol. Great video as always
I had one. Most fun piece of crap I have ever owned. Some days ran flawless. Others jammed every time. Rail bent up on one side and the slide popped off. Traded it for a nice multi band grundig radio.
That fire ball is sweet. Thanks Chad for sharing to us.
I love you and your channel brother man however, I experience some sort of depression as my bucket list of guns grows thanks to you sir!
I can see George had his previous projects in mind when he built the Grendel.
Tec9 esque
I found that mine worked flawlessly with Winchester ammo. Was told that it was designed for Winchester ammo. Don't know but I would get stove pipes and misfired with CCI and other loads. Gonna keep it forever. Unique gun.
Now this is cool. I'm tired of micro compact and pcc vids. Bring back more of your old weird content Eric. We like that shit.
My dad use to work for them making those, he found a defect that would break and turn it full auto and reported it to be fixed
I have one, 3 mags. It is so much fun. I mean all the shots with just the one mag change. Plus I love watching the fire balls you should shot at dush, even more fun
I have carried a PF-9 in my pack pocket for years. Shoot it at least 6 times a year. 50 rounds each time. 124 grain Gold Dot standard pressure. No problems.
The fireball that comes out of the barrel is awesome
George Kellgren is the Erik Buell of the gun world
Certainly Get Your Motor Running .
@@elsullo2 and I’m fortunate to own one
My P-11 (straight rifling) and PMR-30 (broken firing pin) both work great after a trip back to KT.
That thing's spittin out some nice fireballs
Every time I hear somebody say that Sig started this new craze with the p365, I always remind them that the Kel Tec P11 predates it by a good decade.
Kel-Tec is a seriously underrated Firearms manufacturer.
Yeah, my P-11 is 12 years old. Had it at the range the other day and it still runs perfectly.
The muzzle flash is crazy!
Kel Tec in the instructions had very specific instructions on how to load the magazines to avoid jams.
Put an LA2XM, Laser Aim Red Dot sight on it! And the lighter spring with the muzzle brake...
You can use Hollow Point WMR .22MAG with the hollow point drilled out and filled with Zippo lighter flint replacements, only if you modify the feed lips on the magazine to slightly adjust the angle of the bullet when it hits the ramp..
Then target practice on steel 5 gallon blazo cans with a ½ cup of gasoline in them. 😊❤
A most interesting gun. I considered the PMR30.
It's a fine weapon. I doubt you'd be disappointed.
@@ColeWatchTower Really? I was very disappointed by it. It's the only gun I've ever sold because I didn't like it. It's fun when it works which is only about 40% of the time. It's good for practicing clearing malfunctions,that and the fireball it produced was probably the best thing about the gun.
No way I just wanted a Iv8888 video to watch
Awesome little .22 Mag!
Awesome piece of firearm history!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
*3:26** - Something good to say about the flex in a polymer frame pistol; Polymer absorbs much of the sting that steel frame pistols get when shooting powerful cartridges.*
*e.g.; Shooting 10mm from a Glock 20, vs a 1911 - big difference.*
They made hearing protection just for the 22 mag , it's the loudest pistol I've ever fired , but highly underrated , shoot's same weight bullet as a 223 just slower ! I'm in Saskatchewan and aboriginals can legally use any caliber , the 22 mag has taken many moose here , it's head and shoulders above the 22 !
I can still hear the first .22 Magnum revolver shot that I ever fired without hearing protection. I went deaf for a couple of days! Now, fifty years later, my ears still ring---all of the time..........................elsullo
Interesting video!!! You should try to make videos on Investment...
Indeed, Investment won't be such a bad idea,,,I do real estate,stock market ,forest trade and cryptosystem..
stocks are good..
The right chioce of an investment has always been a big problem for me I know picking a wrong investment will leave a big scar in the future
I wanted to trade crypto but got confused by the fluctuation in price
@@scottmelker9093 That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Barry Silbert
I always wanted to have a 22 mag firearm, preferably a semi auto rifle but a hand gun would be really cool too. Its just a cool round.
Love the older pistols.
Damn you shoot goid Erik.
22 WMR is o e of my favorite rounds and dang sure my favorite rimfire round.
I love the fireballs coming out of that pistol :)
Me and my father were just talking about his P30 he owned back in '90, unfortunately his never ran like the one in the video and he let it go.
I got one of these from a co-worker for basically nothing, but the magazine catch is missing/broken.
I guess I can shoot one at a time or hold the magazine in.
It's cool to just have it sitting in the safe.
thank you for the video!!!! keep up the great work and keep the video's coming!!
I think this one looks so much better.
These have a great trigger too.
Cool pistol, I dig the fireballs!
What a great pistol. Keltec is awesome. I always say:
Keltec, more innovation in the last 2 weeks than Glock in the last 2 decades.
Damn I love that peace
That fireball is so cool
I remember seeing those in the guns and ammo annual and I wanted one.
I had one of these. Wish i still had it
George is brilliant.. .22 mag needs long barrel barrel for best ballistics.
I had a PMR-30 that was hit or miss as far as reliability goes. I bought a P17 (.22lr) a couple of months ago and it has been flawless.
The screws backed out of the top of mine somewhere around 300 maybe 350rds. Added some lock tight. She just keeps on truckin had some stovepipes when dirty with bulk win anything else has ran great.
Any pistol chambered in a rifle cartridge is kick ass🙏🏻🙏🏻🤠
We all got USSR to thank for that "polymer" gun research, as they were the first to go into that field, the prototypes that never went into production were so advanced it's unreal, the TKB-022PM is as far as I know the lightest intermediate bullpup to this day.. Imagine if they had the polymer we have to day then.. Korobov would probably whip-up a 2 pound 5.45x39 assault rifle, and on top of the light weight the 22PM had a special design which greatly decreased recoil, so he didn't run into the usual issue of lightweight rifles.
sweet cannon!
Thanks for a cool video. I'd love one of these with the longer barrel. Of course, I really just want a CMR-30.
Super cool old pistol
A Kel-Tec firearm of some stripe is still on my bucket list. If I were right-handed, I'd already have a Sub 2K!
P17 is a nice cheap lil plinker Ambi other than slide release.
Hard to find but a lot of fun.
KSG
Kel Tec, whether it's under that name or prior, definitely came up with and still do come out with some very interesting designs.
Gotta love the fireballs!
I like ur energy guys nice work
Kel-Tec guns share a lot of aesthetics with this old gun
What a sweet pistol
Very cool gun. Thanks
I would also love more 22wmr
Ahh love Keltec but hate how hard it is to find one available
I have one for sale
Ah we have a forgotten weapons homage going on here. Watch your back Ian!
Sweet, I have a 6" .22 Auto-Mag. that function great if you use ammo rated 1875 FPS. Winchester .22 Mag. DynaPoints won't function it at 1575 FPS.
I love the AMT Automag ii. From what I have read if you have one that works it works well.
@@JD-gn6du Works great with ammo 1875 FPS! Thanks
That’s a neat little piece. Good vid
I had one of these got rid of it about 5 years ago it was finicky with ammo it would run CCI maxi mag 0059 30 grain HP+V and Hornady Critical Defense 45 grain Gold Dot short barrel 40 grain reliably would not run with anything else very reliably such as Armscor Remington Winchester Federal
I'm calling bullshit as I own APM R30 currently and You most definitely can squeeze the grips on it ! It feels like a goddamn toy but once I fixed the magazine not seating all the way it runs like a champ
Make sure to find some extra hammer Springs. They look like wind up toy Springs. I replaced quite a few in my day I replaced quite a few in my day
Dang I'm here 28 seconds after the upload!
takes one to, know one brother!