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7:45 - It says the Romans built a pitiful camp with walls made of makeshift sod topped with scavenged materials. Then in 9:00 and 9:40, the art portrays the Roman camp with well built tall walls of timber. Lol
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
Reminds me of the Roman's pussyfooting around in the waters of britain until one of their flag bearers jumped in the water and not wanting to lose their flag he taunted the other soldiers to get in the water and fight to land or their flag would fall into enemy hands
Imagine if the bridge was destroyed, imagine surviving such battles just to be left by your own people in the wrong side of the Rhine! Man Agrippina was Best Wife of 15 AD
Long Bridges is one of the most overlooked battles and underrated bits of generalship in history. It is a textbook example of victory being achieved through an understanding of one's own strengths and weaknesses, the opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and how to favorably maximize and minimize each, respectively. The history of the Western world might have unfolded quite differently if Rome had had two armies ignominiously wiped out in less than a decade.
@@godlessheathen3082 Indeed, and the Romans' psyches were deeply scarred by it--"Carthago delenda est," and all that. And if Hannibal hadn't been so effective, and Carthage hadn't been viewed as an existential threat to Rome, maybe a negotiated peace would have allowed the city to continue to exist, and who knows how the history of the Mediterranean might have unfolded differently? At the very least, there would be a lot more of a Phoenician influence in the Western Med; maybe a strong, newly Christianized Carthage provides a bulwark against the expansion of Islam, and the Caliphate of Grenada never exists. Or maybe Rome and Carthage pick at each other for centuries and both end up too weak to dominate and unify Europe, and the Chinese end up with the empire upon which the sun never sets. So too, the massacre of another Roman army by the Germans might have greatly reduced Rome's power and influence in Gaul and Germania, or maybe it would have galvanized public opinion and made it impossible for Augustus to assume a permanent defensive posture at the Rhine. I think the world today would probably be a bit different if Kiev had been a Roman military outpost.
@@godlessheathen3082 Hannibal also as genius as his military mind was, did NOT understand the psychology of the Roman people. He thought destroying a few Roman armies, even destroying like 80-90% of the fighting male population, would encourage Rome to surrender? HAHAHA!!😂🤣 like damn dude what a silly thing to think, from any perspective familiar with Roman military history. He thought he could split romes allies on the Italian peninsula from fighting with them and was almost successful, and that’s what he should’ve pursued if not winning them over at least dispatching them one by one. however he really thought the romans would eventually surrender, showing a deep misunderstanding of the Roman psychology. Anyone who knows anything about the romans, knows they don’t ever fucking surrender. They either all die, or they’re victorious. And they make you pay for any defeat a thousand times Over. No in between 😂😂😂
The mediocre history we are taught in public school paints the Roman Empire as a steam roller that easily won every war. I like the stories about how close of a run thing many of their victories were, truly good commanders and a bit of luck built the empire.
You were taught Roman history in public schools... Yeah I grew up in Tulsa Oklahoma and that never happened. The only history you learn in America is American history followed by whatever state you're in so I took Oklahoma history... At no point is any of the European wars or anything to do with Britain or europe except for our revolution taught cared about. Frankly Roman history is It's too deep of a topic for a regular high school student to be learning about it does them Little-good and there's so much to take in... Honestly I think it's better that schools just teach basic education stuff math reading some basic local history and then concepts and informulas.. If you want to learn something more specific like Roman history that should probably be done on your own time or some specific school to go into proper detail I just know I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours watching listening and reading about different histories specifically Roman history up into World War I And it doesn't really matter how much I watch or read remembering names and dates gets convoluted.
@@InvictaHistory hey I'm a big fan. I've watched most of your videos more than once. I like ancient architecture perhaps a video about a roman builder or the construction of villas and why they chose to build it the way they did? Location for water. How they piped water to the fountains etc. Water in the walls for cooling the house. I'd watch. But I'll watch what ever u put out
@@lordpowell3788 With all due respect, but with your statement appears to indicate that you want the citizens of the US to be ignorant, like a path you should take. Learning about rich history of other cultures enables you tu grow as a person. It's no just about dates and names of people who lived 800 years ago, but to learn about events than concur throughout our history as humans, and that is a topic you should know, i believe.
Imagin the chaos, legioners building bridges, germans redirecting streams to the Roman's base. Fighting outside the camp counter charges, must have been a hard work done by both sides, and I love it
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 not only that imagine you are a Legioner working on section and then suddenly get flooded, you will need to work on it again.
Fighting back, and fighting smart. Also, early Rome didn't have a word for "truce" or "Peace treaty" and that was because if you went to war with Rome, they were gonna keep coming until you. . . .or they were dead. That mindset was the key to Romes military greatness.
@@cristhianramirez6939 eventually yes. As you said, even once Rome began ending wars through treaties they were always laughably one sided. I forget which tribe it was but there was one peace treaty where Rome agreed to cease hostility as long as every fighting age male gave up their sword hand. That way they could never raise a blade agianst Rome agian.
@@cristhianramirez6939 Even the word Pax (Peace) should be better understood as "to bind" rather than tranquility or harmony. That is peace was something that was brought about through war and conflict. It wasn't looked at as how we look at the concept in a modern sense.
@@at1_a Given what the germanics did to the Romans, it was only practical of them to level their cities to dismantle their infrastructure and power structures. The Romans were great allies to have but even worse enemies, especially if you've betrayed them
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@@InvictaHistory He also has a quote that goes like this: "Nothing is more noble, nothing is more vulnerable, than loyalty." That could be adapted into: "Nothing is more cheap, nothing is more tasty, than my steak."
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
Indeed. But looks like, in this case, Caecina actively provoked the germanic overreaction by feigning weakness and disorder, since he pretty much needed that attack to happen.
@@neutronalchemist3241 I mean in this case it seems like it was impatience more than anything else. The romans had no supplies, I'm sure the tribes had plenty for a few days at least. They could have waited for desperation to grow but didn't.
Actually Pharsalus was Pompey's idea and his advisors were actually counseling him not to engage Caesar again once he failed to pursue him after Dryrrhachium.
@@votefraudjoe997 You are incorrect. Plutarch in Life of Caesar, chapter 40-41, says the senators were trying to goad Pompey into battle. See quote: "At that time, too, a kind of pestilential disease, occasioned by the strangeness of their diet, was said to be prevalent in Caesar’s army. And what was most important of all, since Caesar was neither strong in funds or well supplied with provisions, it was thought that within a short time his army would break up of itself. For these reasons Pompey did not wish to fight, but Cato was the only one to commend his course, and this from a desire to spare the lives of his fellow citizens; for when he saw even those of the enemy who had fallen in battle, to the number of a thousand, he burst into tears, muffled up his head, and went away. 2 All the rest, however, reviled Pompey for trying to avoid a battle, and sought to goad him on by calling him Agamemnon and King of Kings, implying that he did not wish to lay aside his sole authority, but plumed himself on having so many commanders dependent on him and coming constantly to his tent."
It's all about push and pull, back and forth momentum in war. Attacking first expends energy and risks losing unit cohesion, in favor of a quick killing blow. Defending a fix position is a death sentence, if one does not attack to regain the initiative. Takes a good commander to know when to strike and when to hold back. Not easy in the noise and confusion of melee combat.
Literally what I use every time in RTW2 when I build a fort. Barricade the side gates, defense in depth in the front gate. Make them pay for entry into the front gate but make it easier than the sides. Lure them into fort. Once they are committed to the front gate, destroy one of the side gate barricades and launch your faster horsemen in force to flank them. They either commit a portion to the cavalry and pursue them or get hammered over and over. Regardless half of your reserve infantry can either go out the same side gate as the cavalry and smash into their back. Or do a pincer and smash that infantry into the enemy's other flank. Once the rout starts...few will get out alive.
Invicta i want to point something very small out. You used a modern map of the Netherlands. In this map there is lot more “land” then there was back in the days. In the Netherlands its called “inpoldering” and it started around 1918 till around 1970. Just a small interesting fact;) look it up if you are interested. The place where i live used to be an island in that sea and is now connected to the main lands.
@@InvictaHistory I guess you want to avoid Wikipedia/Wikimedia if possible? I did find some maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia that were suplied by TNO, Nederlandse Organisatie voor Toegepast Natuurwetenschappelijk Onderzoek (TNO; English: Netherlands Organisation for Applied Scientific Research). However TNO doesn't seem to have them on their own website, probably due to some reorganisation that happened a few years ago. Wikipedia/Wikimedia however does contain the files of these maps. The permission parts of the pictures does states that these pictures are being used under an GFDL license (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License). Links to the pictures on Wikimedia Commons: -5500 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5500vc_ex_leg.jpg -3850 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:3850vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg -2750 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2750vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg -500 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:500vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg -50 A.D. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:50nc_ex_leg_copy.jpg -800 A.D. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:800nc_ex_leg.jpg
@Nephalim Power The germanic goal was to massacre all roman soldiers inside the fort and they failed, the roman goal was to win the battle or die/be humilliated. So i think is safe to say they won
Such pride the Italians should have to have these warrior fellas as ancestors, but some are so idiot they prefer to remember their lombard ancestors "Muh lombardic ancestors"
@Nephalim Power in context, the Romans won. They spent the entire season turning the Frontier into a wasteland and lived to tell the tale. Arminius got some loot, but the lands were ravaged. Not worth the loot, the production (food and goods) ability of that territory was gone. They got their ass kicked all season and in the final confrontation, they got a draw (at best). Strategically, that season was a loss for Arminius.
Arminius: "OK, we have the Romans trapped in a terrible strategic position. If they try to cross the bridges we can overwhelm them, if they stay here we can starve them out. All we have to do is keep our cool, be patient for a few days and-" Every other German chief: "LEEEEROOOY JEEEEEENKINS!!!!"
That Germanicus is a brave, humble and noble general. Not to mention his wife shares many of his qualities. I'm sure their offspring will bring prosperity and peace to the Empire.
Tiberius messed up caligula..he was just a little kid when he was forced to live with tiberius not knowing hed live or die..and tiberius in later years was paranoid as hell too..but caligula in his first few months as emperor was not too bad..he changed after his bout with an illness and that changed him..
Look, Germanicus was a huge failure. He didn't have enough legions. So the Romans named him Germanicus and held a Triumph to hide the truth. How stupid can you be to accept the Roman account?
@@arkwrightdubstep a hero in terms of trying to subjugate free people who were fighting for their freedom,killing them, invading lands, genocide, probably even r0ping, enslaving and the other side is traitorous?
@@seniornmaestro6662 lets just pretend that the germans didn't try to invade gaul in some years ago( i dont mean now days lol, i mean 59 bc or some),lets just pretend that the germans did not take peoples wifes and forced them to be their ""wifes"",lets just pretend that the germans not slaved murdered pillaged people that they conquered and etc, lets just forget that and say that they were angels.
@@bucksolo703 I dont mind that the night king was killed that early. Dissapointed? Sure! But what angered me the most was how he died. A powerful badass villainous character who has been around for thousands of years gets killed by a tiny girl who only had a few years of fighting experience. Instead of an epic battle between him and his long forshadowed opponent "Jon Snow" ever since that awesome staring contest they had in season 5. Dont get me started on the battle tactics of the dothraki
Thanks Invicta, for spotlighting Alus Caesina Severus a great soldier of Rome! Further, it appears that he died a natural death and was not eventually killed by jealous opponents (a rarity, unfortunately in Imperial Roman history).
Truly speaks to the sheer discipline of the Roman Legion.. ANY other army would have completely broken down in low morale and fear. The Germanic chieftains expected cowering shells of men ready to die. Armenius who lived with the Romans and knew them better than anyone expected wild beasts cornered fighting in despair. None of them could even imagine that such a battered group of men could just pick up their discipline out of nowhere and trick the enemy with cunning. It is so hard not to root for Romans, the idea of regular people overcoming absolutely hopeless scenarios like this one is just so inspiring to watch
Just found this channel a few days ago and I absolutely love every video I've watched so far. I have to say this series on Avenging Varus has me particularly fascinated. I cannot wait for the next!
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Well that is self understanding. Also the history records are not 100% accurate themselves even if someone wanted to invest crazy budget still wouldn't be accurate.
this series is EPIC and compelling more than any fiction can ever be. This episode in particular, alone, it would make a movie more visually striking than the battle of Gaugamela depicted in the movie "Alexander"!
What I really love about the Romans was their spirit in the face of the most daunting adversity. More that almost any empire, the greatness of Rome was earned. It was earned by their tremendous courage and fighting spirit despite being beaten to the brink of extinction on many occasions. How could anyone not love that? How could such impossible courage fail to inspire?
Yep. They even died fighting, not giving a quarter until their very lives were taken away. The Last Roman Emperor proclaimed, "No Emperor should outlive his Empire, as the city falls I fall with it... Men, present your shields, swords, arrows, and spears to them so that the impious may learn that they are dealing not with dumb animals but with their lords and masters, the descendants of the Greeks and the Romans." He proclaimed as he charge straight into the enemy and was never seen again. The Romans were badass to the very end.
This is a notably well written and presented video from this channel; you have surpassed the quality of your already near perfect previous uploads. Thank you very much for the content you have provided us with over the years. Take care and good luck in all of your future endeavours, be it this or anything else.
Wait how were the romans even able to keep that square in the first place in the middle of a swamp, that alone speaks volumes to their quality . Also the bridges were only needed for the baggage train not the men crossing ?
Bridges were necessary to stop the wheels of carts being stuck in the mud, and it would also increase the speed and safety of people and animals. But the Swamp, at least near the bridges, was not deep enough to prevent a person from walking on foot. You'd just be walking through mud and water.
Invicta's animation is likely exaggerating in portraying the entire army as marching in a single giant square. The army was more likely marching in a bunch of smaller squares that were cohesively looser and more suited to traversing harsher terrain. I've noticed that Invicta and the King's and Generals channel occasionally takes creative liberties in extrapolating what they think they happened or trying to "fill in the blanks" with their interpretation that isn't strictly recorded in historical texts.
The great thing about the Roman Legions over their history was their adaptability. Each small square would be roughly a cohort, which where needed would separate into small groups of centuries if needed to pass terrain. So it would be two columns and two rows in marching order, dividing as needed.
That Great Military Leader was a relative outsider who spoke Latin, had spent many years in the Roman army, was a Roman citizen, and spent a great deal of his life outside of Germania. Those other German leaders were also fighting away from their tribal lands with winter rapidly approaching, a winter that the men of that tribe were not preparing for because they were busy campaigning against the Romans. After winning the previous skirmishes, bloodying the Romans, and seeing the Romans doing a VERY convincing job of feigning extreme weakness. These German leaders aren't going to deny their men the glory, prestige, and favour of their gods by sitting around and waiting instead of winning a final glorious battle. Of course they were going to attack, they had every possible reason to believe it'd be a one-sided slaughter.
@@kor8513 sadly the result undoes all the sacrifices before and well intended thoughts as well as bringing even more disaster in the years to come . I didn't mean it directly at this battle just in general how history shows us that nobility acting selfish, aiming to hoard fame and prestige and going against the advice of battle proof, experienced leaders usually ends in disaster and costs so much the low social status people who die fighting for their, land family and lives only to lose everything. My country Romania was so much ruined by this kind of nobles, especially during Nicopolis and Varna crusades. Damn this mentality.
More like: Armenius: "A cornered beast is when it is at most dangerous. Let's starve em out, we got the time." Nobility: "Don't be a pussy, Armenius. We beat them once already - there's so few left in that crappy camp they have, we can crush em and be back for Winter!" Armenius: "The Romans don't give in that easy. They are just sitting there waiting for us. There's something not right about that and they have to get to a bridge... Gentleman, I think we are going to a bridge too far.."
Imagine you're one of the surviving legionnaires under Caecina's command who made it back across the Rhine. You would have broken down in tears upon being greeted by Agrippina.
I gotta admit, thats a bad ass quote if its true... "none of your trees here, none of your swamps, just fair field and fair gods" well even if its not... Im still gonna remember that one... good story telling as usual! thank you guys for these! hope everyone is doing well!
Arminius wouldve starved them out. The fact the tribes over ruled him even after all his choices had brought them great victory, not by himself of course they fought but it was his tactics that got them the W. It's sad they didn't have faith in him. But fantastic work by that commander talking his men down and using his head to pull off a victory, baiting the enemy in and countering, great video!
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
@@Intranetusa Tribal chiefs=/=Roman politicians. They were the only men the Barbarian warriors really obeyed or respected, Arminius had no choice other than let them have their way unless he wanted to let half of his army go home at the order of disgruntled chieftains.
I love it!! From the narration, the art designs, everything!! It made me feel inspired and wanting to fight for the Glory of ROME!! Such a great job man!! Keep it going!!
@VeroMithril Betrayed? How stupid can you be. That is just History written. Just how is Arminius going to organize a betrayal on such a vast scale. All it would take is one jealous or ambitious small time tribal statesman to give it away. It isn't something Arminius would even consider. Later he was stabbed in the back and killed by ambitious kin, same tribe. If you didn't spot the problem with the "Betrayal of Varus by Arminius" line of thinking there is something very wrong with your brain.
Now we are waiting for the ultimate victories of Germanicus. Idistaviso and the Angrivarian wall. He didn't complete the campaign because of Tiberius's jealousy and fear of his glory. The Germanic tribes were at a breaking point after the last two great battles.
Barbarians season 2 best bring the legendary Germanicus to live. However, what if the shows pulls a barbarians rising and switching perspective and next season they pick Boudicca. Nice touch of the Eagle ost. 🦅
@@longyu9336 yeah, things did not end well for Boudica. A shaymfur duspray.😅 In her only set piece battle, she had 200 000 against 10 000 Romans who were trapped in a corner. And were further trapped when Boudica walled everyone in with a wall of wagons. 80 000 Iceni were slaughtered on that day as they struggled to flee past their own wagons. 😐
For future videos, can you please zoom out a bit more at the very start of the video? I'd *LOVE* an overlay between the map of Europe at the time, and the Europe we live in today, to really see where the fighting was. I don't know of any swamps with long bridges in modern-day Germany.... :( (for inspiration, I think BazBattles usually does a great job with their overviews)
you think the tribes would listen to the guy who knew how Romans were but no. Can you do a video discussing what IF Arminius had won the battle and the aftermath?
Critical lesson taught by history...never buy from leaders selling freedom. They're merely enticing you with an illusion while they attempt to purchase greater power for themselves with your blood. "Take up arms with me and your life will be better" overwhelmingly means "either die or trade one shitshow for another and you'll be forgotten by history while I become supremely powerful or at least immortalized." If you wish happiness, you will better find it in "stability" rather than the illusion of "freedom." It's funny, but in the Barbarians series, the only character I found sympathetic at all was Vares. Not that he wasn't portrayed as a bastard, a poor manager, and an unfortunate judge of character, but every other character was acting out of some kind of combination of selfishness and shortsightedness to a staggering degree while he was largely just trying to maintain order. Watching Vares's realization of Arminius's betrayal was quite frankly the hardest moment in the entire series for me to watch.
I always laugh at lines like these. Germans using trees and swamps to fight and raids is somehow unfair but Romans clad in armour and using obscenely large shields and fortifications is somehow fair. Same with the tactics, Romans trained years to fight in set piece open battles and Germans trained for years to ambush, raid, hit and run. How is fighting in one method fairer as compared to other. Nothing is fair in the world, the least people can do is not proclaim winning fairly when the circumstances favour them.
@@akshaykumarjha9136 literally what a coward would say lmao. Fighting fairly is when you face your enemy directly, in an open ground, where you can see his eyes and know that just skill will make you survive
It would have been crazy how ferocious this battle would have been with both sides being emotionally motivated from the Germanics who lost people over the years to the romans who were avenging the teutubourg (murdered the spelling of that)
Gauls to the Romans: " We're in your camp toga boys. Now you're stuck! " Romans to Gauls: " We're not stuck in here with you... You're stuck in here with us. " *battle horns blast out*
Except...these were Germanic tribes, not Gaelic. The Roman's by this time had pushed the Gaul west into Iberia and Britannia. Either way, Romans rule(d)!
imagine how eery the waters of the enemy would be even without a storm, these arent simple natives ,these were scary barbarians, id hate to know what would happen to a straggler who got pulled by currents into some barbarian village
Great video.. just a minor comment..in the last seconds of the video you say that Italy was a province. It wasn't as provinces were the Roman territories outside of Italy (Italy had a different/ special status compared to other territories)
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7:45 - It says the Romans built a pitiful camp with walls made of makeshift sod topped with scavenged materials. Then in 9:00 and 9:40, the art portrays the Roman camp with well built tall walls of timber. Lol
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
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*Arminius* :"It is over Caecina. I have the dry ground!"
Caecina: *laughs in superior Roman discipline*
You underestimate our discipline!
Caecina: That still ain't fair. For you!
Caecina: call an ambulance! but not for me
*Cacina* : You underestimate the power of the Roman tactics!
"Leave the food, take the eagles"
Roman centurion ordering retreat in the camp
Starve a day or lose your pride for life. Wasn't much a choice for the legions at all.
Quinctilius Varus . . . WHERE ARE MY EAGLES!!!
Reminds me of the Roman's pussyfooting around in the waters of britain until one of their flag bearers jumped in the water and not wanting to lose their flag he taunted the other soldiers to get in the water and fight to land or their flag would fall into enemy hands
is it safe to say that the Germanic tribes were the early version of Vikings....they were both Norse Thor and Odin worshiping people.
@@alf.2929 3 out of 4 were recovered by Germanicus!
Imagine if the bridge was destroyed, imagine surviving such battles just to be left by your own people in the wrong side of the Rhine! Man Agrippina was Best Wife of 15 AD
Even if they were destroyed, they could have been spotted and boats would have transferred them, but yeah luckily they had their bridges ^^
@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 Simp
unfortunately her daughter, agrippina the younger, did not inherit her mother's marital character.
This Episode should be titled as, " Caecina and His Massive Balls of Steel."
I swear I was seconds from leaving nearly n the same comment till I saw yours at the top of the list lol
@@vincentdamienarneo369 beat ya to it
That's why the baggage train moved so slowly, under the weight of those massive balls of steel.
Literally, dude is a fucking legend
Forreal. Dude was a freaking legend bro
Long Bridges is one of the most overlooked battles and underrated bits of generalship in history. It is a textbook example of victory being achieved through an understanding of one's own strengths and weaknesses, the opponent's strengths and weaknesses, and how to favorably maximize and minimize each, respectively. The history of the Western world might have unfolded quite differently if Rome had had two armies ignominiously wiped out in less than a decade.
Hannibal wiped 3 out in less than a decade
@@godlessheathen3082 as his brother said: "He knew how to earn a victory but not not to use it" (or something like that)
@@godlessheathen3082 Indeed, and the Romans' psyches were deeply scarred by it--"Carthago delenda est," and all that. And if Hannibal hadn't been so effective, and Carthage hadn't been viewed as an existential threat to Rome, maybe a negotiated peace would have allowed the city to continue to exist, and who knows how the history of the Mediterranean might have unfolded differently? At the very least, there would be a lot more of a Phoenician influence in the Western Med; maybe a strong, newly Christianized Carthage provides a bulwark against the expansion of Islam, and the Caliphate of Grenada never exists. Or maybe Rome and Carthage pick at each other for centuries and both end up too weak to dominate and unify Europe, and the Chinese end up with the empire upon which the sun never sets. So too, the massacre of another Roman army by the Germans might have greatly reduced Rome's power and influence in Gaul and Germania, or maybe it would have galvanized public opinion and made it impossible for Augustus to assume a permanent defensive posture at the Rhine. I think the world today would probably be a bit different if Kiev had been a Roman military outpost.
Why can't I find this battle on wiki?
@@godlessheathen3082 Hannibal also as genius as his military mind was, did NOT understand the psychology of the Roman people. He thought destroying a few Roman armies, even destroying like 80-90% of the fighting male population, would encourage Rome to surrender? HAHAHA!!😂🤣 like damn dude what a silly thing to think, from any perspective familiar with Roman military history. He thought he could split romes allies on the Italian peninsula from fighting with them and was almost successful, and that’s what he should’ve pursued if not winning them over at least dispatching them one by one. however he really thought the romans would eventually surrender, showing a deep misunderstanding of the Roman psychology. Anyone who knows anything about the romans, knows they don’t ever fucking surrender. They either all die, or they’re victorious. And they make you pay for any defeat a thousand times Over. No in between 😂😂😂
The mediocre history we are taught in public school paints the Roman Empire as a steam roller that easily won every war. I like the stories about how close of a run thing many of their victories were, truly good commanders and a bit of luck built the empire.
You were taught Roman history in public schools... Yeah I grew up in Tulsa Oklahoma and that never happened. The only history you learn in America is American history followed by whatever state you're in so I took Oklahoma history... At no point is any of the European wars or anything to do with Britain or europe except for our revolution taught cared about.
Frankly Roman history is It's too deep of a topic for a regular high school student to be learning about it does them Little-good and there's so much to take in...
Honestly I think it's better that schools just teach basic education stuff math reading some basic local history and then concepts and informulas.. If you want to learn something more specific like Roman history that should probably be done on your own time or some specific school to go into proper detail I just know I've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours watching listening and reading about different histories specifically Roman history up into World War I And it doesn't really matter how much I watch or read remembering names and dates gets convoluted.
Well then this is the episode for you
The school system sucks i have learned so much from this youtube channel
@@InvictaHistory hey I'm a big fan. I've watched most of your videos more than once. I like ancient architecture perhaps a video about a roman builder or the construction of villas and why they chose to build it the way they did? Location for water. How they piped water to the fountains etc. Water in the walls for cooling the house.
I'd watch. But I'll watch what ever u put out
@@lordpowell3788 With all due respect, but with your statement appears to indicate that you want the citizens of the US to be ignorant, like a path you should take. Learning about rich history of other cultures enables you tu grow as a person. It's no just about dates and names of people who lived 800 years ago, but to learn about events than concur throughout our history as humans, and that is a topic you should know, i believe.
Caecina was a freaking Chad. Had no idea about his exploits. Thanks for these videos, Invicta!
Imagin the chaos, legioners building bridges, germans redirecting streams to the Roman's base.
Fighting outside the camp counter charges, must have been a hard work done by both sides, and I love it
Imagine the chaos once the water began to overflow and reach areas that weren’t build up to redirect the flow of the water. Lol bruh
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 not only that imagine you are a Legioner working on section and then suddenly get flooded, you will need to work on it again.
@@napolien1310 what if your the only one still working on it? What then? Lol
this is really the entire secret of romes might, fighting back in situations where every other army would have routed
Fighting back, and fighting smart. Also, early Rome didn't have a word for "truce" or "Peace treaty" and that was because if you went to war with Rome, they were gonna keep coming until you. . . .or they were dead. That mindset was the key to Romes military greatness.
@@Strider91 Rome agreed to peace treaty but only in their terms, for Rome was rule the world or be destroyed, no middle point
@@cristhianramirez6939 eventually yes. As you said, even once Rome began ending wars through treaties they were always laughably one sided. I forget which tribe it was but there was one peace treaty where Rome agreed to cease hostility as long as every fighting age male gave up their sword hand. That way they could never raise a blade agianst Rome agian.
@@cristhianramirez6939 Even the word Pax (Peace) should be better understood as "to bind" rather than tranquility or harmony. That is peace was something that was brought about through war and conflict. It wasn't looked at as how we look at the concept in a modern sense.
Nah it was moreover their resources equipment and war tactics. Many empires have fought to the death...
Let’s hope Barbaren (Barbarians) Season 2 involves Germanicus and his campaigns.
yes, been hoping for it since S1. We need the show to end on Roman terms B)
My thought was how do you follow up Teutoburg Forest. But with embellishment, Germanicus' campaigns would be excellent for S2!
i guess, but with all the melodrama and low production value ill probably skip it.
Yes that's the hope. But I feel we should see Tiberius too, as he campaigned himself just before being recalled to Rome to become Emperor.
@@at1_a
Given what the germanics did to the Romans, it was only practical of them to level their cities to dismantle their infrastructure and power structures.
The Romans were great allies to have but even worse enemies, especially if you've betrayed them
Letting you all know that I just put up a merch store with cool designs from pretend Roman restaurants like "Cato's Salt Shop" or "Mark and Cleo's". Moving forwards I'll be adding more content based on recent episodes and am eager to get feedback on the sorts of things you all would like to see there: www.invictahistorystore.com/
Cicero's Chest: "Stability is key. The steak is even better."
Amazing!!
@@andreizonga4611 what's the reference for this one? I'm not too familiar with the quotes from Cicero
@@InvictaHistory Not necessarily a quote, more about his policies. He advocated for respecting the Constitution and especially for stability.
@@InvictaHistory He also has a quote that goes like this: "Nothing is more noble, nothing is more vulnerable, than loyalty." That could be adapted into: "Nothing is more cheap, nothing is more tasty, than my steak."
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
Indeed. But looks like, in this case, Caecina actively provoked the germanic overreaction by feigning weakness and disorder, since he pretty much needed that attack to happen.
Mind also that, for tribesmen, long campaigns were costly. Winter was coming and the warriors besieging the Romans were not preparing for it.
@@neutronalchemist3241 I mean in this case it seems like it was impatience more than anything else. The romans had no supplies, I'm sure the tribes had plenty for a few days at least. They could have waited for desperation to grow but didn't.
Actually Pharsalus was Pompey's idea and his advisors were actually counseling him not to engage Caesar again once he failed to pursue him after Dryrrhachium.
@@votefraudjoe997 You are incorrect. Plutarch in Life of Caesar, chapter 40-41, says the senators were trying to goad Pompey into battle. See quote: "At that time, too, a kind of pestilential disease, occasioned by the strangeness of their diet, was said to be prevalent in Caesar’s army. And what was most important of all, since Caesar was neither strong in funds or well supplied with provisions, it was thought that within a short time his army would break up of itself.
For these reasons Pompey did not wish to fight, but Cato was the only one to commend his course, and this from a desire to spare the lives of his fellow citizens; for when he saw even those of the enemy who had fallen in battle, to the number of a thousand, he burst into tears, muffled up his head, and went away. 2 All the rest, however, reviled Pompey for trying to avoid a battle, and sought to goad him on by calling him Agamemnon and King of Kings, implying that he did not wish to lay aside his sole authority, but plumed himself on having so many commanders dependent on him and coming constantly to his tent."
I've really enjoyed these videos, especially these on the Roman Campaigns against the German tribes.
Ya like the sight of blood aye?
@@leogreek3003 Aye
Damn the germans got cannae’d inside and outside the fort lol
lol
It's all about push and pull, back and forth momentum in war. Attacking first expends energy and risks losing unit cohesion, in favor of a quick killing blow. Defending a fix position is a death sentence, if one does not attack to regain the initiative. Takes a good commander to know when to strike and when to hold back. Not easy in the noise and confusion of melee combat.
That fort must have been some sort of ancient Stalingrad
Literally what I use every time in RTW2 when I build a fort.
Barricade the side gates, defense in depth in the front gate. Make them pay for entry into the front gate but make it easier than the sides. Lure them into fort.
Once they are committed to the front gate, destroy one of the side gate barricades and launch your faster horsemen in force to flank them. They either commit a portion to the cavalry and pursue them or get hammered over and over.
Regardless half of your reserve infantry can either go out the same side gate as the cavalry and smash into their back. Or do a pincer and smash that infantry into the enemy's other flank. Once the rout starts...few will get out alive.
LMFAO that was a good one hahaha
Invicta i want to point something very small out. You used a modern map of the Netherlands. In this map there is lot more “land” then there was back in the days. In the Netherlands its called “inpoldering” and it started around 1918 till around 1970. Just a small interesting fact;) look it up if you are interested. The place where i live used to be an island in that sea and is now connected to the main lands.
Thanks, I was trying to find older maps to use but was having a hard time finding a good resource for that
It is said that god created the land, but the dutch created the netherlands.
@@InvictaHistory I guess you want to avoid Wikipedia/Wikimedia if possible? I did find some maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia that were suplied by TNO, Nederlandse Organisatie voor Toegepast Natuurwetenschappelijk Onderzoek (TNO; English: Netherlands Organisation for Applied Scientific Research). However TNO doesn't seem to have them on their own website, probably due to some reorganisation that happened a few years ago.
Wikipedia/Wikimedia however does contain the files of these maps. The permission parts of the pictures does states that these pictures are being used under an GFDL license (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License).
Links to the pictures on Wikimedia Commons:
-5500 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5500vc_ex_leg.jpg
-3850 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:3850vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg
-2750 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2750vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg
-500 B.C. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:500vc_ex_leg_copy.jpg
-50 A.D. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:50nc_ex_leg_copy.jpg
-800 A.D. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:800nc_ex_leg.jpg
@@InvictaHistory Someone needs to use/make a game engine to re-create the geography of the empire.
@@MrMarsh263 Imperator: Rome
I love this stories of roman legions being the underdog and winning against all odds, thanks to their discipline and a cold headed general
@Nephalim Power Yes,winning
@Nephalim Power The germanic goal was to massacre all roman soldiers inside the fort and they failed, the roman goal was to win the battle or die/be humilliated. So i think is safe to say they won
@Nephalim Power Semantics. Roman side got their goal, germanic side not, is that simple
Such pride the Italians should have to have these warrior fellas as ancestors, but some are so idiot they prefer to remember their lombard ancestors
"Muh lombardic ancestors"
@Nephalim Power in context, the Romans won. They spent the entire season turning the Frontier into a wasteland and lived to tell the tale. Arminius got some loot, but the lands were ravaged. Not worth the loot, the production (food and goods) ability of that territory was gone. They got their ass kicked all season and in the final confrontation, they got a draw (at best). Strategically, that season was a loss for Arminius.
Caecina: call a doctor call a doctor
Also Caecina: but not for ME!
Call a Medicus, call a medicus! But not for me! Haha
Arminius: "OK, we have the Romans trapped in a terrible strategic position. If they try to cross the bridges we can overwhelm them, if they stay here we can starve them out. All we have to do is keep our cool, be patient for a few days and-"
Every other German chief: "LEEEEROOOY JEEEEEENKINS!!!!"
That Germanicus is a brave, humble and noble general. Not to mention his wife shares many of his qualities. I'm sure their offspring will bring prosperity and peace to the Empire.
Oh boy...
Yeah, little Caligula
The sarcasm is strong in you
@@goobfilmcast4239 I learn from the best
Tiberius messed up caligula..he was just a little kid when he was forced to live with tiberius not knowing hed live or die..and tiberius in later years was paranoid as hell too..but caligula in his first few months as emperor was not too bad..he changed after his bout with an illness and that changed him..
Last time I was this early, the Mediterranean sea was called Mare Internum...
Mare Nostrum? Feel free to whoosh me.
Nah mate, you're cool.
The Roman's did Germanicus so dirty. One of the greatest romans to ever live and was killed so unceremoniously. One of the greatest shames.
Look, Germanicus was a huge failure. He didn't have enough legions. So the Romans named him Germanicus and held a Triumph to hide the truth. How stupid can you be to accept the Roman account?
@@davidfoss4836 I bet you can trace your lineage back to tiberius, germanicus was a hero and I will hear no more on this matter you traitorous man.
Dirty Roman politics.
@@arkwrightdubstep a hero in terms of trying to subjugate free people who were fighting for their freedom,killing them, invading lands, genocide, probably even r0ping, enslaving and the other side is traitorous?
@@seniornmaestro6662 lets just pretend that the germans didn't try to invade gaul in some years ago( i dont mean now days lol, i mean 59 bc or some),lets just pretend that the germans did not take peoples wifes and forced them to be their ""wifes"",lets just pretend that the germans not slaved murdered pillaged people that they conquered and etc, lets just forget that and say that they were angels.
Should have had these guys fight the battle of winterfell.
Almost anyone could have done better with the Long Night than Dumb and Dumber did.
Come on. Even you and I would have done a better job.
Why so another wrong person can kill the night king. Haven't watched any episodes since that tragedy of an 8th season makes my stomach upset
@@bucksolo703 I dont mind that the night king was killed that early. Dissapointed? Sure! But what angered me the most was how he died. A powerful badass villainous character who has been around for thousands of years gets killed by a tiny girl who only had a few years of fighting experience. Instead of an epic battle between him and his long forshadowed opponent "Jon Snow" ever since that awesome staring contest they had in season 5. Dont get me started on the battle tactics of the dothraki
I love that you used "should have" unlike how some people use "should of"
Thanks Invicta, for spotlighting Alus Caesina Severus a great soldier of Rome! Further, it appears that he died a natural death and was not eventually killed by jealous opponents (a rarity, unfortunately in Imperial Roman history).
The Romans seriously had some amazing tactics... :o
Truly speaks to the sheer discipline of the Roman Legion.. ANY other army would have completely broken down in low morale and fear. The Germanic chieftains expected cowering shells of men ready to die. Armenius who lived with the Romans and knew them better than anyone expected wild beasts cornered fighting in despair. None of them could even imagine that such a battered group of men could just pick up their discipline out of nowhere and trick the enemy with cunning.
It is so hard not to root for Romans, the idea of regular people overcoming absolutely hopeless scenarios like this one is just so inspiring to watch
No more trees here no more swamps, only man with a sword vs man with a sword. Gotta love that
Me and my Italian brothers can only sit in amazement at hearing of our ancestors grit and determination… Omnis Gloria Romam✝️🙌🏼
this is whats called "defeat in detail" as well as "on deathly ground" two key things from the art of war.
Just found this channel a few days ago and I absolutely love every video I've watched so far. I have to say this series on Avenging Varus has me particularly fascinated. I cannot wait for the next!
This needs to be in the barbarians second season.
It will be, but just be ready to wade through all the melodramatic show bullshit before we get this awesome battle scene.
@@viking8796 Yeah they always do that.
I watched season 2 and it is not. I think takes a lot of budget to reproduce such epic battles
@@Chriscs7 That and you will never get a 100% accurate battle.
@@ktheterkuceder6825 Well that is self understanding. Also the history records are not 100% accurate themselves even if someone wanted to invest crazy budget still wouldn't be accurate.
I love these stories brutal wars fought ages ago the true power we have left in this world is to our knowledge and our history
this series is EPIC and compelling more than any fiction can ever be. This episode in particular, alone, it would make a movie more visually striking than the battle of Gaugamela depicted in the movie "Alexander"!
What I really love about the Romans was their spirit in the face of the most daunting adversity.
More that almost any empire, the greatness of Rome was earned.
It was earned by their tremendous courage and fighting spirit despite being beaten to the brink of extinction on many occasions.
How could anyone not love that? How could such impossible courage fail to inspire?
Yep. They even died fighting, not giving a quarter until their very lives were taken away. The Last Roman Emperor proclaimed, "No Emperor should outlive his Empire, as the city falls I fall with it... Men, present your shields, swords, arrows, and spears to them so that the impious may learn that they are dealing not with dumb animals but with their lords and masters, the descendants of the Greeks and the Romans."
He proclaimed as he charge straight into the enemy and was never seen again.
The Romans were badass to the very end.
Arminius: "It's over as long as we just starve them out."
Warlords: "Let's attack their fortified position"
Arminius: "but..."
Warlords: "CHARGE!"
😂😂😂😂😂l̶m̶a̶o̶
Such Heroic Fighters, Romans would never stop to amaze me.
The face of arminius when outsmarted by Caecina "WTF IS GOING ON!?"
Oh boy the stories a roman veteran could tell.
no wonder the baggage train was slow since it was weighed down by Caecina's massive balls
This is a notably well written and presented video from this channel; you have surpassed the quality of your already near perfect previous uploads.
Thank you very much for the content you have provided us with over the years. Take care and good luck in all of your future endeavours, be it this or anything else.
Call an ambulance call an ambulance
Ceacina: but not for me
What a bunch of brave and rugged men. It is amazing how strong and tough people can be when they have to be.
Dang the Romans had some really talented generals
The most talented one.
One of them the greatest ever lived. Lucius Cornelius Scipio Africanus.
Wait how were the romans even able to keep that square in the first place in the middle of a swamp, that alone speaks volumes to their quality .
Also the bridges were only needed for the baggage train not the men crossing ?
Bridges were necessary to stop the wheels of carts being stuck in the mud, and it would also increase the speed and safety of people and animals. But the Swamp, at least near the bridges, was not deep enough to prevent a person from walking on foot. You'd just be walking through mud and water.
@@everett6072 ok thanks a lot
Invicta's animation is likely exaggerating in portraying the entire army as marching in a single giant square. The army was more likely marching in a bunch of smaller squares that were cohesively looser and more suited to traversing harsher terrain. I've noticed that Invicta and the King's and Generals channel occasionally takes creative liberties in extrapolating what they think they happened or trying to "fill in the blanks" with their interpretation that isn't strictly recorded in historical texts.
The great thing about the Roman Legions over their history was their adaptability. Each small square would be roughly a cohort, which where needed would separate into small groups of centuries if needed to pass terrain. So it would be two columns and two rows in marching order, dividing as needed.
Great military leader : "Listen to me i know better"
Nobility : "We'd rather die"
That Great Military Leader was a relative outsider who spoke Latin, had spent many years in the Roman army, was a Roman citizen, and spent a great deal of his life outside of Germania. Those other German leaders were also fighting away from their tribal lands with winter rapidly approaching, a winter that the men of that tribe were not preparing for because they were busy campaigning against the Romans.
After winning the previous skirmishes, bloodying the Romans, and seeing the Romans doing a VERY convincing job of feigning extreme weakness. These German leaders aren't going to deny their men the glory, prestige, and favour of their gods by sitting around and waiting instead of winning a final glorious battle. Of course they were going to attack, they had every possible reason to believe it'd be a one-sided slaughter.
@@kor8513 sadly the result undoes all the sacrifices before and well intended thoughts as well as bringing even more disaster in the years to come . I didn't mean it directly at this battle just in general how history shows us that nobility acting selfish, aiming to hoard fame and prestige and going against the advice of battle proof, experienced leaders usually ends in disaster and costs so much the low social status people who die fighting for their, land family and lives only to lose everything. My country Romania was so much ruined by this kind of nobles, especially during Nicopolis and Varna crusades. Damn this mentality.
More like:
Armenius: "A cornered beast is when it is at most dangerous. Let's starve em out, we got the time."
Nobility: "Don't be a pussy, Armenius. We beat them once already - there's so few left in that crappy camp they have, we can crush em and be back for Winter!"
Armenius: "The Romans don't give in that easy. They are just sitting there waiting for us. There's something not right about that and they have to get to a bridge... Gentleman, I think we are going to a bridge too far.."
Imagine you're one of the surviving legionnaires under Caecina's command who made it back across the Rhine. You would have broken down in tears upon being greeted by Agrippina.
I gotta admit, thats a bad ass quote if its true... "none of your trees here, none of your swamps, just fair field and fair gods" well even if its not... Im still gonna remember that one... good story telling as usual! thank you guys for these! hope everyone is doing well!
No less than a Lord of the Rings esque climax with that last ditch (literally) attempt at the fort 💯
I am hooked on these presentations. I cannot say enough good things about them, other than well done!
The lesson of the day, when the victor of the Battle of Teutoburg gives you a battle plan, you keep to it.
Hi Invicta! Love your channel. Keep up the great work!
Thanks : )
Arminius wouldve starved them out. The fact the tribes over ruled him even after all his choices had brought them great victory, not by himself of course they fought but it was his tactics that got them the W. It's sad they didn't have faith in him. But fantastic work by that commander talking his men down and using his head to pull off a victory, baiting the enemy in and countering, great video!
Arminius was similar to Pompey at the Battle of Pharsalus. Arminius and Pompey both had the right idea of avoiding direct battle and following the sure-fire way to victory by letting the enemy's army disintegrate due to starvation, desertion, and attrition...but were overruled by the "politicians" and "tribal chiefs" in their ranks who wanted a big and showy decisive battle instead.
@@Intranetusa Tribal chiefs=/=Roman politicians. They were the only men the Barbarian warriors really obeyed or respected, Arminius had no choice other than let them have their way unless he wanted to let half of his army go home at the order of disgruntled chieftains.
@@longyu9336 The bottomline is that both commanders were dragged down by their own officers to have a showy battle.
My great grandfather was at this battle. He never spoke of his experiences but he often had terrible nightmares about it
I love it!! From the narration, the art designs, everything!! It made me feel inspired and wanting to fight for the Glory of ROME!!
Such a great job man!! Keep it going!!
Good discipline,courage,good leadership,proper training and equipment and skill and the result is: roman empire.
Yessir
The battle spoken of in this video rang like a heroic epic. Great job.
When you whoop your enemy but mother nature has its own plans.
Perfect touch adding the soundtrack from The Eagle in. Love it!
This just shows the difference between professional soldiers and peasants
I was actually disappointed. I expected the legions to steam roller them.
Not all Germanics were peasant levies, they had a large warrior class fight their wars.
It is about calm & strategy vs satisfaction & impulse.
@@moscuadelendaest why would you use plebs in this context
I think it should be: the difference between disclipined soldiers against wild and uncontrolable warriors
I can’t believe Arminius came so close to a Teutoberg II. I can’t imagine what would have happened if another four legions went down.
He would have gone down in history as absolute legend, on the same level as Hannibal and this not only in German history.
New four would be created.And this is not even close to wild speculation.
You cant because they didn't. Caesina proved better. Wait until Idistaviso and the Angrivarian wall.
And that's the clear difference between a good general and Varus
@VeroMithril Betrayed? How stupid can you be. That is just History written. Just how is Arminius going to organize a betrayal on such a vast scale. All it would take is one jealous or ambitious small time tribal statesman to give it away. It isn't something Arminius would even consider. Later he was stabbed in the back and killed by ambitious kin, same tribe. If you didn't spot the problem with the "Betrayal of Varus by Arminius" line of thinking there is something very wrong with your brain.
They hoped for a second Teutoberg. They got a second Alesia.
a second Raudine plain ;)
They got alesiaed
They were not that badly defeated, the romans still retreated without the leader captive.
This is beyond a TV level documentary. you Are truly Talented. Thank you for all that you do
Now we are waiting for the ultimate victories of Germanicus. Idistaviso and the Angrivarian wall.
He didn't complete the campaign because of Tiberius's jealousy and fear of his glory.
The Germanic tribes were at a breaking point after the last two great battles.
YES!!! We most definitely need those videos.
The Angrivarian Wall was no "ultimate victory" for Germanicus.
@@greenhorn6582 Germanicus still won tho
@@amalali4844 But not "ultimately".
@@greenhorn6582 True but germanicus still won
Barbarians season 2 best bring the legendary Germanicus to live. However, what if the shows pulls a barbarians rising and switching perspective and next season they pick Boudicca. Nice touch of the Eagle ost. 🦅
I feel that one day they would rather portray victorious Germanic leaders like Alaric or other Migration period kings.
@@longyu9336 yeah, things did not end well for Boudica. A shaymfur duspray.😅
In her only set piece battle, she had 200 000 against 10 000 Romans who were trapped in a corner. And were further trapped when Boudica walled everyone in with a wall of wagons.
80 000 Iceni were slaughtered on that day as they struggled to flee past their own wagons. 😐
@@tylerdurden3722 wow boudicca was horrible general
@@aester6149 yeah, there wasn't much strategy involved in her battle plan. Look up the Battle of Wattling Street.
“None of your trees here
None of your swamps
Just a fair field and fair gods”
How can you not root for the romans
That's like a lion asking an alligator to "fight fair" by fighting on dry land. Both are adapted/suited to fighting in very different environments.
@@Intranetusa and thats when lions kill crocs by goading them to fight on dry land
They literally slaughtered and kidnapped half of Germania and you're in love with them?
@@coachcro7722 yup
amazing
This was beautifully done and tense 'til the end! Another marvelous video.
Why has this not been made into a movie?!? It would be quite compelling!
Because milking franchises with famous names is more appealing whilst greater storylines lay dormant for absolutely no fucking reason.
What a save, man. Literally watched the previous vid 3h ago and was so annoyed there wasn't a third one haha cheers
i'm not sure why but i loved this video even more than your others
This channel has made me become interested in history that i thought i would never read/watc/listen too. Subbed and liked!
Caecina give me back my- *Oh*
Was EAGERLY looking forward to this!!
Awesome as always!
When you fight a garrison siege battle vs a full 20 stack in Total War
For future videos, can you please zoom out a bit more at the very start of the video?
I'd *LOVE* an overlay between the map of Europe at the time, and the Europe we live in today, to really see where the fighting was.
I don't know of any swamps with long bridges in modern-day Germany.... :(
(for inspiration, I think BazBattles usually does a great job with their overviews)
you think the tribes would listen to the guy who knew how Romans were but no. Can you do a video discussing what IF Arminius had won the battle and the aftermath?
Ignorant Barbarian: "we got them right where we want them, stuck in a marsh, out numbered 10 to 1"
Legions: "You didn't bring enough men. . . . ."
When it's fight and die or cower and die, FIGHT.
Critical lesson taught by history...never buy from leaders selling freedom. They're merely enticing you with an illusion while they attempt to purchase greater power for themselves with your blood. "Take up arms with me and your life will be better" overwhelmingly means "either die or trade one shitshow for another and you'll be forgotten by history while I become supremely powerful or at least immortalized." If you wish happiness, you will better find it in "stability" rather than the illusion of "freedom."
It's funny, but in the Barbarians series, the only character I found sympathetic at all was Vares. Not that he wasn't portrayed as a bastard, a poor manager, and an unfortunate judge of character, but every other character was acting out of some kind of combination of selfishness and shortsightedness to a staggering degree while he was largely just trying to maintain order. Watching Vares's realization of Arminius's betrayal was quite frankly the hardest moment in the entire series for me to watch.
The lesson here is you *never* try to man-fight Romans, least of all very angry Romans. Arminius tried to warn those chiefs but they wouldn't listen.
"No more trees, no more swamps, you cowards. Now you will finally fight like men against real men"
I always laugh at lines like these. Germans using trees and swamps to fight and raids is somehow unfair but Romans clad in armour and using obscenely large shields and fortifications is somehow fair. Same with the tactics, Romans trained years to fight in set piece open battles and Germans trained for years to ambush, raid, hit and run. How is fighting in one method fairer as compared to other. Nothing is fair in the world, the least people can do is not proclaim winning fairly when the circumstances favour them.
@@akshaykumarjha9136 literally what a coward would say lmao. Fighting fairly is when you face your enemy directly, in an open ground, where you can see his eyes and know that just skill will make you survive
@@riccardocirielli war isnt meant to be fair tho
@@pisaks6782 probably not, but you can see who is a real man only with a fair fight
@@riccardocirielli There is no fairness in war.
Imagine coming back with your army intact…
I cri evritim.
Russian hospitality still haunting ya huh?
@@maifa9922 Not only Russian, Napoleon literally abandoned his army in Egypt without telling anybody to return to France and launch a coup.
It would have been crazy how ferocious this battle would have been with both sides being emotionally motivated from the Germanics who lost people over the years to the romans who were avenging the teutubourg (murdered the spelling of that)
Damn this art is insanely good
I noticed “the eagle” soundtrack at the end. An excellent close to an amazing video. Thank you so much for giving us this relatively unknown story
Got to give it to Arminius... Fuck. Imagine if their "war council" had listened to him instead.
Talking about 9:50
Gauls to the Romans: " We're in your camp toga boys. Now you're stuck! "
Romans to Gauls: " We're not stuck in here with you... You're stuck in here with us. " *battle horns blast out*
Except...these were Germanic tribes, not Gaelic. The Roman's by this time had pushed the Gaul west into Iberia and Britannia. Either way, Romans rule(d)!
@@jkherold63 The exact same happened in France less than a century ago, Caesar ended the revolt by a literal genocide of the Gauls.
imagine how eery the waters of the enemy would be even without a storm, these arent simple natives ,these were scary barbarians, id hate to know what would happen to a straggler who got pulled by currents into some barbarian village
Waited a long time for this episode, it's worth it .... Fantastic job 👌👌👌
Next episode:
Misunderstood moments - Cult of Sol Invictus
What an incredible story. And fantastically presented.
Great video.. just a minor comment..in the last seconds of the video you say that Italy was a province. It wasn't as provinces were the Roman territories outside of Italy (Italy had a different/ special status compared to other territories)
Love this series! Love the illustrations! Well done!
Quinctilius Varus give me back my legions
So fucking good. The Avenging Varus series has been amazing. Keep it up. I shall become a patron.
Last time I was this early Varus was still alive.
This has been a cool series! I'm looking forward to seeing the rest!
You’re a great story teller
TH-cam really only now letting me know this is out? Sorry I'm late grabbing popcorn
And Arminius: "It´s not that I hadn´t warned you." Also, wasn´t his own little brother fighting for the Romans at the Long Bridges???
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
Germanicus should have been emperor! I hope he is in season 2 of barbarians but I hope they keep it historically accurate