At 5:50-6:15 I say I closed my right eye and then my left eye...I MISSPOKE here. (The words just didn't come out right...lots of information going through my old brain while recording this technical info on camera.) I should have said, "with my right eye open and left eye closed the target and my thumb are still aligned and with my right eye closed and left eye open, the target appears to move." So, to determine your dominant eye, 1. Hold thumb out in front of you with both eyes open and a target in the distance, 2. Close one eye. 3. Then close the other eye. 4. Whichever eye is open and the thumb and target are still aligned is your dominant eye. 5. With your non dominate the target appears to move.
@@misteroneputt Thank you for your posts. Have you ever done anything on how much a ball moves dependant on slope as I came e across this yesterday see page 5 img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/4bf7c59b-c4ce-4bd3-9694-83441ae6692a/downloads/BreakMaster%20Owners%20Manual.pdf?ver=1708368450797
Very good video. In my view, the best way to learn how to plumb-bob is by reverse engineering. By which I mean, hit a few putts from a particular spot and once you know the break, try to read the break by plumb-bobbing. Thanks for sharing your insights.
I have used the plumb bob method for years an used a Ping Anser putter or an old Acushnet Bulls Eye. When I went to an Odyssee 2 ball putter it did not hang straight so your calibration talk was perfect.
I like the calibrate your putter to a known straight up/down wall. But when you hold your putter with the calibrated side, hold it, align the putter - ball - hole with both eyes open. Then knowing which way the break moves close the opposite eye and realign the putter to the ball; the distance between your putter and the hole is the amount of break. Try it on a hole with a good known break for example a left to right breaking hillside. Both eyes open, align putter -ball - hole, then close your left eye the putter will move to the left of the ball. Keeping your left eye close move the putter back over the ball and the distance between your putter and the hole is the amount of break. Your dominant eye doesn’t really play a roll in this.
THANK YOU for stressing the importance of calibration. With most putters, even the slightest twist changes the result. I marked my grip, and have to really make sure its lined up before I even start with the reading process. (still is pretty quick) I'm a very good putter, as far as hitting the line I choose, but am not great at always finding the severity of break. (basically reading the green) On putts where you're not sure IF or which way it'll break, this method is awesome to give u the confidence to pick a line, and commit to it. The other weakness of it is - are u really lined up from eye, to shaft, to ball, to hole? Not an exact science, but worth the extra 10 seconds to choose a decent line.
my pro also suggested I look at the Hole and flag,, If the flag tilts then the hole is cut to the tilt of the green, and to check that, look at the rim of the hole from 6-8 feel until u see the white pain from the back of the hole, match it with the front cut and u will see the hole it's self lean one way of the other , giving you the brake near the hole it's self. I still use this on new holes and different courses.
I just found your videos and thank you. This summer I was invited to join a league and started playing golf again after over 20 years not playing. I'm in my mid 70's. I am the worst player on our league and wanted to improve. I generally 3-4 putt most holes and maybe 1 putt once every other round. After practicing your info for the past few days at the putting range I played 9 holes last night. I two putted 6 holes and One putted 3 holes. Did not 3 putt any hole. When I missed I was within a foot past the hole on less. My longest 1 putt was 18 feet. My longest 2 put was 35 feet. I beat my best round all year by 10 strokes with a score of 46 for 9 holes. Still need to get better at my driver. My plan is to win the trophy next year in our league. I bought an inexpensive flight simulator (that actually works quite well) and a 15 foot long putting matt for my home last week so I can practice all winter. Your videos are helping me a lot. I was taught to plum bob and have used since I was a kid, but I was never a good putter. Now I know why. Your video actually allowed me to calibrate and do it correctly and your other video taught me how to get the ball near the hole on the first putt every time. It was incredible.
Excellent! However years ago my old coach offered the following: When you plumb bob, you are only reading the the spot you are standing on. The grade of the slope may change between the spot you are standing and the hole. As you said, you need to have multiple tools (methods) at your disposal to read a green properly.
Agree on multiple methods but plumb bobbing does show the slope all the way to the hole with the exception is double breakers and distance which goes to the point you make.
I think you have the explanation backwards on which is your dominate eye. This is what I found when I googled it: Keep both eyes open and focused on a distant object, then extend your arm out and point with your index finger or thumb at the object. Alternately close one eye at a time. The eye that keeps your finger directly in front of the object while the other eye is closed is your dominant eye.
@@misteroneputt No you said "I close my right eye and my thumb is still pointed directly at the camera lens" This would mean you are left eye dominate, not right eye as you said. It's tricky but go through it again and you will see that you have it backwards.
Mike-ev9yn: one correction: if you stare at a distant object with both eyes open and raise your index finger and point at the object, you will see two index fingers because human vision is binocular. The correct method is to stare at your extended index finger and then line up the distant object with your index finger. Then, close one eye. If the object remains inline with your finger, then the open eye is dominant. If you chose, you can close the eye that is open and the distant object should jump away from your index finger showing you that the open eye is not dominant. This is the same principle as sighting with a rifle. You stare at the sights, not the target and then move the target in line with the sights without losing your focus on the sights. Works every time. Hope this helps.
Thank you for explaining how to do this in a simple way! Much appreciated! I gave you a thumbs up and subscribed! Looking forward to some of your other tips!!
I am missing something here. I was tracking all the way up to the point where you actually did the plumb bobbing. You just said "One side of the hole is a little bit higher". What are you seeing that leads you to that conclusion? What are you using as a reference to see that one side is higher than the other? Are you using the cut of the hole on either side? If I stand 15' frm the hole, I am pretty sure the shaft will cover the entire hole, so I am confused. And how did that translate to a distance? You said one side is a little bit higher than the other, then you dropped a coin 1" from the hole. How did you determine it should be 1" and not something else?
With regards to the coin being one inch it is always a guess and feel and experience. There’s a newer video on the channel called “what I see when plumb bobbing that answers your other questions. Please note the videos I’ve done on plumb bobbing are simply trying to teach the method and acknowledging that it works for a lot of people. I use a different green reading method called Tour Read, which most professional players and Caddies are now using as well.
I endorse your method. But, I take it a step further to determine an aim point when the putt is uphill/downhill. I try to imagine the “fall line”; then, when plumb-bobbing, I find an aim point which intersects the Bob line and the fall line. I’ve had pretty good luck with this.
Another way to calibrate is to use a spirit level to find flat ground. That allows you to work out how the putter hangs on flat ground. If you were hanging say a ruler it would hang vertically and straight of course. On the green, if the putter hangs at the same angle as it did on flat ground, you know the piece of ground your standing on is flat, it's a reference- which is what @billomeara5660 was saying his coach told him. Your job is to work out whether the line to the hole passes over flat ground, if not, what's the deviation. By using that approach and what Mister One Putt explains, you should get it right. It's just physics. Also Golf Digest published a supplement on putting 20-30 years ago which included an explanation of PB, which is where I got my stuff from. The GD book is probably still floating around.
thanks for sharing the tips, they are great! Quick question on dominant eye and hand. In your approach, Is it a rule to use dominant eye and non dominant hand? For you, that is right eye and left hand. And if someone left eye and right hand dominant, he should use left eye and left hand? Thanks!
The camera operator seems to have an aversion to including the hole in the shot. The best angle to show the line on a breaking putt is from above. Get a ten foot step ladder, put carpet pads down so the ladder feet don’t damage the green. You’ll do your followers a great service showing this vantage point. Also, use a tripod for every shot or at least use a stabilized camera. Thanks for the information in this video.
What do you SEE that makes you conclude there is a break one way or another, one degree or another (when you dangle that calibrated putter shaft edge and gaze along that edge, bisecting the ball and the hole)?
The shaft is perpendicular to the ground hanging vertically in the hole is horizontal one side or the other of the holes will appear to be higher or lower than the other relative to the shaft. Then of course, I know that the ball will break to the low side. How much it will break depends on the amount of tilt and there’s the thing that takes a little time to get a feel for seeing how much.
Bryson is not plumb bobbing...he is using the shaft to check where his line on the ball is aimed. That's why he can lean the shaft toward the hole and why he holds it tight.
@GeezerTony - I have been using that method for decades. It's the best way to see where the line on the ball is aimed. I just don't trust my eyes to tell me.
Great video, many thanks. Still trying to get my head round this method. I take it that this is only to be used for almost flat putts, where you are pretty much aiming at the hole but perhaps just 1 - 2 inches either side of the cup. Also, I don’t understand ‘what you see’. By that I mean you mentioned the hole give the appearance of sloping in a particular direction, but how do I know whether to aim 1 cup outside or 2 etc? Thanks again.
It takes a little practice to learn how far to aim based on how much slope you see. I think this method works on putts with small hard to read breaks. What I see is one side of the hole peeks out or appears higher or lower than the other. Its one of those things that is hard to explain but if you try it a bit on the practice green the aha moment comes and then you’ve got it
I watched the video a few times and somehow everyone else is making the leap that I guess you make but I don't get it. At 7:15-8:00 you note the hole is higher on one side and then leap to "so I think the break is 1/4 cup to that side." I get "higher" and "lower" but have no idea how you get to "1/4 cup higher". What are you doing to calculate that amount? Thanks for any help you or anyone on here reading this can provide.
Hi Matt...the choice for 1/4 or any distance is a guestimate based on feel and experience. This is the weakness of plumb bobbing and almost every other method of green reading. That is also why I've switched to using the Tour Read Green Reading system...it gives me a formula to calculate the exact distance from the pin for a start line.
In my many years of plumb bobbing I have never seen one side of the hole "appearing to be (noticeably) higher than the other". Did I misunderstand what you said?
Maybe. That’s how it looks to me. By higher I mean one side tilts away from my shaft. Did another video on the channel titled what I see when plumb bobbing that explains it better
@@PetSKi67 that’s the difficult part. It is te result of practice and feel. I’ve done a couple of other plumbob videos on the channel or I talk more about this. In my green reading, I use a different method and only plumbob when I am uncertain about the break or the break is very small or subtle and I want to know exactly which way it is.
You are right eye dominate so you held the putter in your left hand and used your right eye to read the putt but did you also use your right eye and hold the putter in your left hand to calibrate the putter? Also, does it matter which side of the shaft you are aligning? Thanks much.
At about 7:45 into the video you have said you align the putter with the ball and the hole, then jumping to saying which side is a 1/4 cup higher. How did you get to thát? Missing some info there.
When you align the ball shaft and hole, if there is break one side of the hole appear higher or lower on the shaft. It looks like a side of the hole is peeking out at you. The plumb Bob showed the right side was slightly higher so I estimated a 1/4 cup and was right. This is why I said you have to practice to know how much break relative to how high or low the side of the hole is in the putter shaft.
The shaft is covering half of the hole as the side of the shaft is inline with the middle of the ball and middle of the shaft. So how do you see it - only one side is "peeking" at you
So what exactly are you looking at, you have the shaft straight and do you have the right side of the shaft directly in the middle of the hole? and what determines High or low, left or right to aim the Ball?
Exactly as you describe and one side or the other of the hole appears higher or lower on the shaft. Then I try to figure out how much to the high side to aim based on how much higher it is because the ball always breaks to the lower side.
One important point you did not address is that you should stand with feet wide apart so that your body is perpendicular to the slope of the green where you are standing. If you don't do this, plumb bobbing won't work very well. It is basic physics.
thanks for this video. One comment - on your final putt it did not look to me that you actually started the ball on your line. It looked like you were aimed at the hole and hit it straight in, or you pulled it. The movement happened in the first few inches, not near the hole.
Don't need to calibrate a HONU Putter as its mass balanced. Other putters should probably mark the shaft so one knows where the proper rotational angle when the putter is hanging. By the way they built the acropolis using plumb plumbing.
I used this method for a number of years until I changed my putter !! My new putter did not hang true vertical so I had to stop as the results were unreliable when trying to decide how far to compensate for my putter hang.
I've watched quite a few videos on plumb bobbing, and now this one, and I still don't understand how this can work. When I line up putter with ball and hole, I get everything in a line and I don't understand how it can be any different.
Plum bobbing is not for everyone which is why I teach lots of different methods of reading greens. That said, most people see everything in a line with one side of the whole, a little lower or higher than the other side relative to their putter shaft. It looks like maybe one side is peeking out at you and playing peekaboo around the putter shaft.
The so-called plumb bob green reading involves the use of a straight line (usually a straight putter shaft) projected on to the line from ball to hole. The putter does not have to be plumb to find this line (as in deChambeau) and the putter head and taper are irrelevant (deChambeau holds his putter in both hands just above the head). If the putter has a straight shaft, it is straight no matter which way the head is turned.
You are correct if and only if the guy is holding his putter shaft, straight up and down or in a perfectly straight line relative to a flat surface. To be warm, Bob, it would have to be hanging down where gravity can pull it either way. That’s why I talk about calibrating the Potter because they don’t hang true
Might I suggest having a word with the Green keeper about getting a Better Roller to flatten your Greens out . All those Humps and bumps are really annoying…😊
YES...I completely agree. The problem is people not repairing ball marks and chipping onto the practice green. Plus, this green in this video was only 5 days past plugging and sanding. (If I owned a course, I'd set up a system to deliver an electric shock to golfers who didn't repair ball marks)
Still unclear about this. When you are aligning the ball and hole, are you looking with both eyes or do you close your non-dominant eye? And how can you tell which side of the hole is higher? Seems to me that if I'm using the right-edge of the shaft to bisect the ball and hole, the shaft will be covering the left side of the hole
You are using your dominant eye, and then aligning the shaft with the hole as you describe. Yes, you would blood out one side of the hole, the side that you see will appear to be tilted higher or lower off your shaft, which is hanging perpendicular in other words, instead of looking 90° off your shift, the whole will be tilted where it is more or less than 90°.
@@sionnachog894 I have the same struggle. By the way, after I posted this video, I learned that he’s not plumb bobbing when he squats down like that he’s using his putter shaft to align with the line on his ball and his target. He’s actually aiming.
I don't see how this method works. IF you stand behind the ball with your feet exactly centered on the line from the hole to the ball, AND you stand perfectly perpendicular to the green at your feet, then your head/eyes will shift left or right depending on the slope AT YOUR FEET. But 1) it requires your feet to be perfectly centered and 2) your stance must be held to exactly 90 degrees from the surface you are standing on and 3)it does not account for any slope changes between your feet and the hole. Lots of variables. So yes, perhaps this can be another tool to help judge the slope but not too useful to me.
It does give you an accurate read of break on putts of relatively short to medium distance. With longer distance or double breaks the problems you mention cause a problem. You are right it is another tool and we should all have multiple green reading tools to use.
In my non dominant hand...so left hand for right handers and between my thumb and forefinger very lightly. I hold it straight out in from of me center of my face and then use my dominant eye
Ready greens is hard as the eyes can easily deceive you. It’s all starts when you’re walking up to a green. Finding the low point. After that it’s all math.
Hi John, I think Bryson actually use his putter shaft to line up his target line. I think He uses aim point system from his videos, he always tell people how many degrees the slope is n how far he needs to hit the putt.
@misteroneputt3047 yes, but I'm pretty sure he just do that to line up the line on his ball n to the spot he pick so he won't b off by any. He had a video about his putting method, it's very interesting about how close putt the dimples matters. Let me see if I can find that link.
@misteroneputt3047 th-cam.com/video/uiR3KVG0SQU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FlKRf0ziPi9qPWBl Here is his video link, u can see his use his shaft to line up his putt over the ball, I don't think he's plumbing Bob over it.
Bryson uses aim point that is why they stand aside over the line near the hole and uses width of fingers in relation to the direct line to the hole so if you hold the putter straight at an angle away from you no matter how far away you are you can still have the shaft appearing in line with the hole. The amount of slope determines by experience how many fingers to one side of the straight line the point you aim at. is a guide but pretty good at working out the amount of slope. On shorter putts if you can't work out the slope standing astride feeling with your feet helps a lot so more weight on one foot means it slopes that side,if weight even then straight near the hole so check a various distances.. Also if the hole has marks or wear at a point on the inside rim it could be where the ball keeps going to from one side. All takes time so do all this when it is not your turn to put stopping or pausing when partners are over the putt. Once you done all this try and see in your mind how the ball will move to the hole . Then it is all done to speed.
@misteroneputt3047 thanks. Looking forward to seeing the pics even if they are not perfect. MrShortgame did it but he had not talked about calibration. I am very visual
Actually wasn't a retake. I set up and then paused because we had a phone ringing then started up again and the cameraman had moved a few steps..I still aimed at the dark spot and the putt broke as read. Probably should have re-shot this section but didn't take the time.
Yes they are because they have a greens book that tells them the exact slope percentage for any putt. If you have that info, you'd be foolish not to use Aimpoint. The goal here is to give people other options and a combination of green reading tools.
@@misteroneputt amateurs need to focus on the golf stroke. Every week I see dudes spending five minutes lining up their ball to some imagined line, and then have a putting stroke that's absolutely ridiculous and would never be on line anyway. The biggest time destroyer in the game
@@3putt548 th-cam.com/video/pDeFfUv4BHA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ba17LydpRKv_evyP. Also try putting dog toys etc instead of balls for about 20 minutes. It gets focus on a good stroke and not the putt going in
Hocus pocus ….. all you are doing is simply finding the STRAIGHT line to the cup. The breaks are to the left or right of your shaft, thus, only giving the line of a straight putt.
Using his info I was able to read the slope and compensate. I used it for the first time yesterday and 1 putted 3 holes and 2 putted 6 holes. total of 15 putts in 9 holes. I loved it. I normally 3-4 putt. My longest 2nd putt was one foot.
It works very well for some people and is very inconsistent for others. That’s why I teach multiple different methods of reading the greens on this channel. And the method doesn’t slow play so much as people who are slow and not sure what they’re doing slowing down play
That’s the problem with golf today, slow play, big groups like 5 to 9 on a tee. All to common on my home course. If 9 holes takes over 45 to 50 minutes for two players, you’re too slow, stick to mini golf or the driving range.
well, first off...when you talk about calibrating, you are mixing up "straight" and "plumb." A ruler, at any angle, is "straight." What you want to calibrate is with something that is plumb, meaning it is exactly parallel with the direction of gravity, i.e. points directly to the Earth's center of gravity. secondly, the method of calibration depends on you finding something in your house that is plumb. You assume that the door frame is plumb. In many houses, door frames, windows, outlets, etc. are not plumb. They might be close-ish, but they are not plumb.
Hi, at 7:30 you said the plumb Bob tells you that “one side of the hole is higher” .. you need to explain yourself better than that I’m afraid. It’s strange that at this important point in the process i.e. reading the putt, you pass over it with zero explanation😢. As far as I can make out the PB gives you a straight line reference which helps in a two-option decision, left or right. Then it’s a question of how much break. The TH-camr didn’t actually explain how to read the putt and the video is 16 mins long, hmmm
The shaft is vertical and the hole is horizontal. A straight putt both sides of the hole would appear perpendicular to the shaft or 90 degree angles. If one side is higher on the shaft, the putt breaks away from that high side…gravity.
@@misteroneputt haha gravity, I know all about gravity mate but you should have explained to the viewers in the same way you explained to me in words, remember when teaching over-explaining is far far far better than under explaining, far better. So now you know and thank you for explaining it clearly here in the comments, you surprised me, it makes perfect sense, perpendicular. Remember I gave my feedback free of charge and you actually proved me right by explaining it properly in the comments
I think you’ve misinterpreted what Bryson DeChambeau is actually doing. He is not plumb bobbing the hole, he is using the edge of the putter shaft to make absolutely sure the line on the golf ball is pointing on the line he wants the ball to go. Maybe that is why you can’t get the method to work for you.
Plumb bobbing with a putter is mostly a waste of time and has done little but slow down the game. I understand why pros would take the time to do it, but 99% of amateurs are simply wasting time and slowing down the course.
Appreciate your opinion...The point here is to teach people to do it properly so they aren't wasn't time or slowing play. Many people use plumb bobbing both quickly and effectively. But it isn't for everyone. That is why I teach multiple methods for reading greens. It doesn't have to be slow as I demonstrate in this video how to do it and hole the putt in under 45 seconds total time.
I used it for the first time yesterday and it took maybe 30 seconds to get the read, line up and putt. It should not take much time once you understand it. I only 15 putted 9 holes.
@@gregoryosen9423 wow, I’ve never 15 putted even one hole. I think a 5 putt is my max ever. To 15 putt 9 holes, that has to hurt. Let’s see, 30 seconds to plumb bob times 15 putts per hole equals only 7.5 minutes per hole. That shouldn’t slow things up. 😂
I do and it’s a fact that putters do not hang perfectly vertical because there is more mass on one side or the other thus causing a tilt off of vertical
Played golf since 1968. Neither plumb bob or aim point work for me. Complex topography, grain, wind, moisture etc. are vital factors not incorporated into either method.
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At 5:50-6:15 I say I closed my right eye and then my left eye...I MISSPOKE here. (The words just didn't come out right...lots of information going through my old brain while recording this technical info on camera.) I should have said, "with my right eye open and left eye closed the target and my thumb are still aligned and with my right eye closed and left eye open, the target appears to move." So, to determine your dominant eye, 1. Hold thumb out in front of you with both eyes open and a target in the distance, 2. Close one eye. 3. Then close the other eye. 4. Whichever eye is open and the thumb and target are still aligned is your dominant eye. 5. With your non dominate the target appears to move.
It would be nice to get a pic behind you when you plumb Bob so we can see what you are looking at when you say it looks higher then it will break...
@@lucielajoie1843 Yes it would be. The problem is I’d have to have a camera exactly where my eye is and I can’t figure out how to get that shot
@@misteroneputt maybe someone right behind you. It would be so much more helpful.
Kind of like firearm shooting. all these years doing it wrong. Left eye dominant but right handed. Thanks Sir!!!
Your the first person that explained this method in a simple way "I" could understand. Thanks
You’re welcome. And that’s my goal with the videos on this channel
I have seen a loads of plumb bob videos and this is the first one that i can recall stressing not using the flag!! Great content as normal.
Thank you very much
@@misteroneputt Thank you for your posts. Have you ever done anything on how much a ball moves dependant on slope as I came e across this yesterday see page 5 img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/4bf7c59b-c4ce-4bd3-9694-83441ae6692a/downloads/BreakMaster%20Owners%20Manual.pdf?ver=1708368450797
Very good video. In my view, the best way to learn how to plumb-bob is by reverse engineering. By which I mean, hit a few putts from a particular spot and once you know the break, try to read the break by plumb-bobbing. Thanks for sharing your insights.
Brilliant. I like that idea.
Great idea!😊
I have used the plumb bob method for years an used a Ping Anser putter or an old Acushnet Bulls Eye. When I went to an Odyssee 2 ball putter it did not hang straight so your calibration talk was perfect.
I like the calibrate your putter to a known straight up/down wall. But when you hold your putter with the calibrated side, hold it, align the putter - ball - hole with both eyes open. Then knowing which way the break moves close the opposite eye and realign the putter to the ball; the distance between your putter and the hole is the amount of break. Try it on a hole with a good known break for example a left to right breaking hillside. Both eyes open, align putter -ball - hole, then close your left eye the putter will move to the left of the ball. Keeping your left eye close move the putter back over the ball and the distance between your putter and the hole is the amount of break. Your dominant eye doesn’t really play a roll in this.
THANK YOU for stressing the importance of calibration. With most putters, even the slightest twist changes the result. I marked my grip, and have to really make sure its lined up before I even start with the reading process. (still is pretty quick) I'm a very good putter, as far as hitting the line I choose, but am not great at always finding the severity of break. (basically reading the green) On putts where you're not sure IF or which way it'll break, this method is awesome to give u the confidence to pick a line, and commit to it. The other weakness of it is - are u really lined up from eye, to shaft, to ball, to hole? Not an exact science, but worth the extra 10 seconds to choose a decent line.
Exactly
I was really shocked when I calibrated my putter. It was amazing how far it was off if not calibrated.
This is the best video of putting help I have ever seen, can’t wait to try it out.
Thank you
my pro also suggested I look at the Hole and flag,, If the flag tilts then the hole is cut to the tilt of the green, and to check that, look at the rim of the hole from 6-8 feel until u see the white pain from the back of the hole, match it with the front cut and u will see the hole it's self lean one way of the other , giving you the brake near the hole it's self. I still use this on new holes and different courses.
Good advice
I just found your videos and thank you. This summer I was invited to join a league and started playing golf again after over 20 years not playing. I'm in my mid 70's. I am the worst player on our league and wanted to improve. I generally 3-4 putt most holes and maybe 1 putt once every other round. After practicing your info for the past few days at the putting range I played 9 holes last night. I two putted 6 holes and One putted 3 holes. Did not 3 putt any hole. When I missed I was within a foot past the hole on less. My longest 1 putt was 18 feet. My longest 2 put was 35 feet. I beat my best round all year by 10 strokes with a score of 46 for 9 holes. Still need to get better at my driver. My plan is to win the trophy next year in our league. I bought an inexpensive flight simulator (that actually works quite well) and a 15 foot long putting matt for my home last week so I can practice all winter. Your videos are helping me a lot. I was taught to plum bob and have used since I was a kid, but I was never a good putter. Now I know why. Your video actually allowed me to calibrate and do it correctly and your other video taught me how to get the ball near the hole on the first putt every time. It was incredible.
Wow. Thank you for the compliments. I’m glad you are playing again and improving. Keep at it.
Excellent! However years ago my old coach offered the following: When you plumb bob, you are only reading the the spot you are standing on. The grade of the slope may change between the spot you are standing and the hole. As you said, you need to have multiple tools (methods) at your disposal to read a green properly.
Agree on multiple methods but plumb bobbing does show the slope all the way to the hole with the exception is double breakers and distance which goes to the point you make.
@@quantitativediseasing9988 excellent comments. Well said
I think you have the explanation backwards on which is your dominate eye. This is what I found when I googled it: Keep both eyes open and focused on a distant object, then extend your arm out and point with your index finger or thumb at the object.
Alternately close one eye at a time. The eye that keeps your finger directly in front of the object while the other eye is closed is your dominant eye.
I thought that’s what I said. It is certainly what I meant and what I did to determine that I’m right eye dominant
@@misteroneputt No you said "I close my right eye and my thumb is still pointed directly at the camera lens" This would mean you are left eye dominate, not right eye as you said. It's tricky but go through it again and you will see that you have it backwards.
@@Mike-ev9yn ahhh. I misspoke
Thanks for pointing this out. I noticed it, too.
Mike-ev9yn: one correction: if you stare at a distant object with both eyes open and raise your index finger and point at the object, you will see two index fingers because human vision is binocular. The correct method is to stare at your extended index finger and then line up the distant object with your index finger. Then, close one eye. If the object remains inline with your finger, then the open eye is dominant. If you chose, you can close the eye that is open and the distant object should jump away from your index finger showing you that the open eye is not dominant. This is the same principle as sighting with a rifle. You stare at the sights, not the target and then move the target in line with the sights without losing your focus on the sights. Works every time. Hope this helps.
Great to see your videos again
Thank you for explaining how to do this in a simple way! Much appreciated!
I gave you a thumbs up and subscribed! Looking forward to some of your other tips!!
Thank you
Simon is so right about us being impatient.
love the video-gonna try it ! Great job !
I found that it works on most long putts, even multi break ones. It is fantastic on short putts about 2 to 5 feet.
I am missing something here. I was tracking all the way up to the point where you actually did the plumb bobbing. You just said "One side of the hole is a little bit higher". What are you seeing that leads you to that conclusion? What are you using as a reference to see that one side is higher than the other? Are you using the cut of the hole on either side? If I stand 15' frm the hole, I am pretty sure the shaft will cover the entire hole, so I am confused. And how did that translate to a distance? You said one side is a little bit higher than the other, then you dropped a coin 1" from the hole. How did you determine it should be 1" and not something else?
With regards to the coin being one inch it is always a guess and feel and experience. There’s a newer video on the channel called “what I see when plumb bobbing that answers your other questions. Please note the videos I’ve done on plumb bobbing are simply trying to teach the method and acknowledging that it works for a lot of people. I use a different green reading method called Tour Read, which most professional players and Caddies are now using as well.
I endorse your method. But, I take it a step further to determine an aim point when the putt is uphill/downhill. I try to imagine the “fall line”; then, when plumb-bobbing, I find an aim point which intersects the Bob line and the fall line. I’ve had pretty good luck with this.
Nice approach
Another way to calibrate is to use a spirit level to find flat ground. That allows you to work out how the putter hangs on flat ground. If you were hanging say a ruler it would hang vertically and straight of course. On the green, if the putter hangs at the same angle as it did on flat ground, you know the piece of ground your standing on is flat, it's a reference- which is what @billomeara5660 was saying his coach told him. Your job is to work out whether the line to the hole passes over flat ground, if not, what's the deviation. By using that approach and what Mister One Putt explains, you should get it right. It's just physics. Also Golf Digest published a supplement on putting 20-30 years ago which included an explanation of PB, which is where I got my stuff from. The GD book is probably still floating around.
Very good presentation ! thanks
thanks for sharing the tips, they are great! Quick question on dominant eye and hand. In your approach, Is it a rule to use dominant eye and non dominant hand? For you, that is right eye and left hand. And if someone left eye and right hand dominant, he should use left eye and left hand? Thanks!
I use dominant eye with non dominant hand and recommend that approach
The camera operator seems to have an aversion to including the hole in the shot. The best angle to show the line on a breaking putt is from above. Get a ten foot step ladder, put carpet pads down so the ladder feet don’t damage the green. You’ll do your followers a great service showing this vantage point. Also, use a tripod for every shot or at least use a stabilized camera. Thanks for the information in this video.
@@ThePeteutube yes have made some improvements in newer videos. My camera guy is 84. lol
Excellent video
Thank you
Great video , very through explanation
Thank you.
What do you SEE that makes you conclude there is a break one way or another, one degree or another (when you dangle that calibrated putter shaft edge and gaze along that edge, bisecting the ball and the hole)?
The shaft is perpendicular to the ground hanging vertically in the hole is horizontal one side or the other of the holes will appear to be higher or lower than the other relative to the shaft. Then of course, I know that the ball will break to the low side. How much it will break depends on the amount of tilt and there’s the thing that takes a little time to get a feel for seeing how much.
Longer Video, but fully explains and demonstrates plumb bobbing and how to calibrate your putter
Bryson is not plumb bobbing...he is using the shaft to check where his line on the ball is aimed. That's why he can lean the shaft toward the hole and why he holds it tight.
I suspected it was something like that since I just couldn’t see how it would work…but a number of people insist he is plumb bobbing. LOL
@GeezerTony - I have been using that method for decades. It's the best way to see where the line on the ball is aimed. I just don't trust my eyes to tell me.
Valuable info. Ty.
That’s exactly what I do sometimes. Use the putter shaft and the line on the ball to see if I m right or wrong.
Great video, many thanks. Still trying to get my head round this method. I take it that this is only to be used for almost flat putts, where you are pretty much aiming at the hole but perhaps just 1 - 2 inches either side of the cup. Also, I don’t understand ‘what you see’. By that I mean you mentioned the hole give the appearance of sloping in a particular direction, but how do I know whether to aim 1 cup outside or 2 etc? Thanks again.
It takes a little practice to learn how far to aim based on how much slope you see. I think this method works on putts with small hard to read breaks. What I see is one side of the hole peeks out or appears higher or lower than the other. Its one of those things that is hard to explain but if you try it a bit on the practice green the aha moment comes and then you’ve got it
Do you like up the ball and the hole using both eyes open or onlyopening your dominant eye ?
I’m using only dominant eye. Did another video recently that try’s to show exactly what I see
Great explanation thanks
I watched the video a few times and somehow everyone else is making the leap that I guess you make but I don't get it. At 7:15-8:00 you note the hole is higher on one side and then leap to "so I think the break is 1/4 cup to that side." I get "higher" and "lower" but have no idea how you get to "1/4 cup higher". What are you doing to calculate that amount? Thanks for any help you or anyone on here reading this can provide.
Hi Matt...the choice for 1/4 or any distance is a guestimate based on feel and experience. This is the weakness of plumb bobbing and almost every other method of green reading. That is also why I've switched to using the Tour Read Green Reading system...it gives me a formula to calculate the exact distance from the pin for a start line.
In my many years of plumb bobbing I have never seen one side of the hole "appearing to be (noticeably) higher than the other". Did I misunderstand what you said?
Maybe. That’s how it looks to me. By higher I mean one side tilts away from my shaft. Did another video on the channel titled what I see when plumb bobbing that explains it better
So how do you determine how much your target is gonna be off the straight line?
@@PetSKi67 that’s the difficult part. It is te result of practice and feel. I’ve done a couple of other plumbob videos on the channel or I talk more about this. In my green reading, I use a different method and only plumbob when I am uncertain about the break or the break is very small or subtle and I want to know exactly which way it is.
You are right eye dominate so you held the putter in your left hand and used your right eye to read the putt but did you also use your right eye and hold the putter in your left hand to calibrate the putter? Also, does it matter which side of the shaft you are aligning? Thanks much.
Yes I did and I can’t see that it matters which side of the shaft you use.
At about 7:45 into the video you have said you align the putter with the ball and the hole, then jumping to saying which side is a 1/4 cup higher. How did you get to thát? Missing some info there.
Yes how did you determine it was 1/4 cup to the right from the angle you read. That Wd be v helpful to know.
When you align the ball shaft and hole, if there is break one side of the hole appear higher or lower on the shaft. It looks like a side of the hole is peeking out at you. The plumb Bob showed the right side was slightly higher so I estimated a 1/4 cup and was right. This is why I said you have to practice to know how much break relative to how high or low the side of the hole is in the putter shaft.
@@1Bugsyboy see my reply just above
The shaft is covering half of the hole as the side of the shaft is inline with the middle of the ball and middle of the shaft. So how do you see it - only one side is "peeking" at you
@@inusprinsloo1257 correct unless it’s a huge break
So what exactly are you looking at, you have the shaft straight and do you have the right side of the shaft directly in the middle of the hole? and what determines High or low, left or right to aim the Ball?
Exactly as you describe and one side or the other of the hole appears higher or lower on the shaft. Then I try to figure out how much to the high side to aim based on how much higher it is because the ball always breaks to the lower side.
will try thanks.@@misteroneputt
Sir u did not say after u lined up ball and hole which eye are u using to do that? Dominant eye or other eye?
Dominant eye. Non dominant hand holding the club. Good question. Thank you
YESSIR you got it right 👍 Gary McCord be damned 😊
LOL
One important point you did not address is that you should stand with feet wide apart so that your body is perpendicular to the slope of the green where you are standing. If you don't do this, plumb bobbing won't work very well. It is basic physics.
Valid point. And yes I should have added that
thanks for this video. One comment - on your final putt it did not look to me that you actually started the ball on your line. It looked like you were aimed at the hole and hit it straight in, or you pulled it. The movement happened in the first few inches, not near the hole.
Maybe
Don't need to calibrate a HONU Putter as its mass balanced. Other putters should probably mark the shaft so one knows where the proper rotational angle when the putter is hanging. By the way they built the acropolis using plumb plumbing.
True.
I used this method for a number of years until I changed my putter !! My new putter did not hang true vertical so I had to stop as the results were unreliable when trying to decide how far to compensate for my putter hang.
That is why I included the calibration piece...
@@misteroneputt Your calibration worked for my putter. I was shocked at how much it could be off if not aligned correctly.
I've watched quite a few videos on plumb bobbing, and now this one, and I still don't understand how this can work. When I line up putter with ball and hole, I get everything in a line and I don't understand how it can be any different.
Plum bobbing is not for everyone which is why I teach lots of different methods of reading greens. That said, most people see everything in a line with one side of the whole, a little lower or higher than the other side relative to their putter shaft. It looks like maybe one side is peeking out at you and playing peekaboo around the putter shaft.
The so-called plumb bob green reading involves the use of a straight line (usually a straight putter shaft) projected on to the line from ball to hole. The putter does not have to be plumb to find this line (as in deChambeau) and the putter head and taper are irrelevant (deChambeau holds his putter in both hands just above the head). If the putter has a straight shaft, it is straight no matter which way the head is turned.
You are correct if and only if the guy is holding his putter shaft, straight up and down or in a perfectly straight line relative to a flat surface. To be warm, Bob, it would have to be hanging down where gravity can pull it either way. That’s why I talk about calibrating the Potter because they don’t hang true
Might I suggest having a word with the Green keeper about getting a Better Roller to flatten your Greens out . All those Humps and bumps are really annoying…😊
YES...I completely agree. The problem is people not repairing ball marks and chipping onto the practice green. Plus, this green in this video was only 5 days past plugging and sanding. (If I owned a course, I'd set up a system to deliver an electric shock to golfers who didn't repair ball marks)
Still unclear about this. When you are aligning the ball and hole, are you looking with both eyes or do you close your non-dominant eye? And how can you tell which side of the hole is higher? Seems to me that if I'm using the right-edge of the shaft to bisect the ball and hole, the shaft will be covering the left side of the hole
You are using your dominant eye, and then aligning the shaft with the hole as you describe. Yes, you would blood out one side of the hole, the side that you see will appear to be tilted higher or lower off your shaft, which is hanging perpendicular in other words, instead of looking 90° off your shift, the whole will be tilted where it is more or less than 90°.
Thanks, I'll give it a try next time I get to the course. Unfortunately my den doesn't have enough slope to try it here.
Fucking brilliant! All these years….ima clown.
Nah. Every day I discover things I didn’t know before but thought I did
My problem with the De Chambeau method is, after squatting down, I can't get up!
@@sionnachog894 I have the same struggle. By the way, after I posted this video, I learned that he’s not plumb bobbing when he squats down like that he’s using his putter shaft to align with the line on his ball and his target. He’s actually aiming.
If you close your right eye and the thumb doesn’t move with respect to the target., then you are left eye dominant
I don't see how this method works. IF you stand behind the ball with your feet exactly centered on the line from the hole to the ball, AND you stand perfectly perpendicular to the green at your feet, then your head/eyes will shift left or right depending on the slope AT YOUR FEET. But 1) it requires your feet to be perfectly centered and 2) your stance must be held to exactly 90 degrees from the surface you are standing on and 3)it does not account for any slope changes between your feet and the hole. Lots of variables. So yes, perhaps this can be another tool to help judge the slope but not too useful to me.
It does give you an accurate read of break on putts of relatively short to medium distance. With longer distance or double breaks the problems you mention cause a problem. You are right it is another tool and we should all have multiple green reading tools to use.
How do you “hang the putter”?
In my non dominant hand...so left hand for right handers and between my thumb and forefinger very lightly. I hold it straight out in from of me center of my face and then use my dominant eye
Plumb bobbing is a lot quicker than the now popular 'aim point' method.
No it’s not. Plumb-Bob method is guessing. Aim Point is fast and accurate
@@tessp100d4 You might want to tell the golfers out there how to do it properly then, the ones I've witnessed have taken ages.
Ready greens is hard as the eyes can easily deceive you. It’s all starts when you’re walking up to a green. Finding the low point. After that it’s all math.
Hi John, I think Bryson actually use his putter shaft to line up his target line. I think He uses aim point system from his videos, he always tell people how many degrees the slope is n how far he needs to hit the putt.
Yes but he’s been doing this thing where he actually points the putter shaft at the hole and acts like he’s plum bobbing too
@misteroneputt3047 yes, but I'm pretty sure he just do that to line up the line on his ball n to the spot he pick so he won't b off by any. He had a video about his putting method, it's very interesting about how close putt the dimples matters. Let me see if I can find that link.
@misteroneputt3047 th-cam.com/video/uiR3KVG0SQU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FlKRf0ziPi9qPWBl
Here is his video link, u can see his use his shaft to line up his putt over the ball, I don't think he's plumbing Bob over it.
@@zhuokanli1788 yes, I’ve been lining up the two dimples with the dots for a while now. And that is very interesting.
Bryson uses aim point that is why they stand aside over the line near the hole and uses width of fingers in relation to the direct line to the hole so if you hold the putter straight at an angle away from you no matter how far away you are you can still have the shaft appearing in line with the hole. The amount of slope determines by experience how many fingers to one side of the straight line the point you aim at. is a guide but pretty good at working out the amount of slope. On shorter putts if you can't work out the slope standing astride feeling with your feet helps a lot so more weight on one foot means it slopes that side,if weight even then straight near the hole so check a various distances.. Also if the hole has marks or wear at a point on the inside rim it could be where the ball keeps going to from one side. All takes time so do all this when it is not your turn to put stopping or pausing when partners are over the putt. Once you done all this try and see in your mind how the ball will move to the hole . Then it is all done to speed.
Picture from what you are looking at when you are lining up your putter to the hole please
I’m working on that. It’s difficult to position the camera exactly where my eye would be. Have some ideas I plan to try though
@misteroneputt3047 thanks. Looking forward to seeing the pics even if they are not perfect. MrShortgame did it but he had not talked about calibration. I am very visual
Just putt the damn ball.
Can only work if you are standing on level ground
when does the plum bob method not work or when does it work best.
u answered my question
Works best on putts under 20 feet when the break is subtle or hard to read. I can’t make it work very well for double breaking putts
What happened with the last putt? Aim at dark spot right of hole, camera retake then a straight putt. Hmmmm…….
Actually wasn't a retake. I set up and then paused because we had a phone ringing then started up again and the cameraman had moved a few steps..I still aimed at the dark spot and the putt broke as read. Probably should have re-shot this section but didn't take the time.
Fyi, the pros are using "aimpoint", not plumb bobbing.
Yes they are because they have a greens book that tells them the exact slope percentage for any putt. If you have that info, you'd be foolish not to use Aimpoint. The goal here is to give people other options and a combination of green reading tools.
@@misteroneputt amateurs need to focus on the golf stroke. Every week I see dudes spending five minutes lining up their ball to some imagined line, and then have a putting stroke that's absolutely ridiculous and would never be on line anyway. The biggest time destroyer in the game
I think you missed spoke, when your thumb doesn’t move, that’s your dominant eye!!
Yes. I said that in the pinned comments at the top of the comment section
FYI, you said the dominant eye test wrong. If the object doesn't move when you close one eye then that would be your dominant eye
Yes I accidentally said it backwards
Hello Mister One Putt. I’m 3putt. Nice to meet you. Unfortunately your video doesn’t help me since I have the yips.
@@3putt548 I have a video on that somewhere on the channel. For some reason it wasn’t very popular
@@3putt548 th-cam.com/video/pDeFfUv4BHA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ba17LydpRKv_evyP. Also try putting dog toys etc instead of balls for about 20 minutes. It gets focus on a good stroke and not the putt going in
Hocus pocus ….. all you are doing is simply finding the STRAIGHT line to the cup. The breaks are to the left or right of your shaft, thus, only giving the line of a straight putt.
Of course. Because all putts are hit straight and gravity moves them
Using his info I was able to read the slope and compensate. I used it for the first time yesterday and 1 putted 3 holes and 2 putted 6 holes. total of 15 putts in 9 holes. I loved it. I normally 3-4 putt. My longest 2nd putt was one foot.
I tried using it but don’t work.
It’s not for everyone
Too many variables makes this method inconsistent. It also slows the game down, as does aim point.
It works very well for some people and is very inconsistent for others. That’s why I teach multiple different methods of reading the greens on this channel. And the method doesn’t slow play so much as people who are slow and not sure what they’re doing slowing down play
Lineman use a plumb bob more than a carpenter or a mason.
Very true
That’s the problem with golf today, slow play, big groups like 5 to 9 on a tee. All to common on my home course. If 9 holes takes over 45 to 50 minutes for two players, you’re too slow, stick to mini golf or the driving range.
sorry dude that was a straight putt
@@stevecourtois3741 camera angle
@@misteroneputt lol no
well, first off...when you talk about calibrating, you are mixing up "straight" and "plumb." A ruler, at any angle, is "straight." What you want to calibrate is with something that is plumb, meaning it is exactly parallel with the direction of gravity, i.e. points directly to the Earth's center of gravity.
secondly, the method of calibration depends on you finding something in your house that is plumb. You assume that the door frame is plumb. In many houses, door frames, windows, outlets, etc. are not plumb. They might be close-ish, but they are not plumb.
You are correct that it must be plumb and often door frames are not. I probably should have included a little explanation of that
Just use the Aim-Point system and stop all this plumb Bob guessing
People should know and use multiple methods and do what works for them. th-cam.com/video/fSFxUoq9HHM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=TkSVzefwE_ZbNFt5
You don't understand gravity.
Why do you say that?
@@jeffepperson2469I was wrong.
Do you care to elaborate on your comment why do you say he’s wrong?
@@jeffepperson2469 It was I who didnt understand the process.
Ok have a good day thanks
So unclear
I don’t think you explained what you are looking for at when you do it
I did a second video titled what I see when plumb bobbing putts that might help
Too many words, shorter explanations would be better!!
Hahahaha. I agree with you, but you would be surprised how many people ask for a more in-depth explanation then this
So wordy
Hi, at 7:30 you said the plumb Bob tells you that
“one side of the hole is higher”
.. you need to explain yourself better than that I’m afraid. It’s strange that at this important point in the process i.e. reading the putt, you pass over it with zero explanation😢.
As far as I can make out the PB gives you a straight line reference which helps in a two-option decision, left or right. Then it’s a question of how much break. The TH-camr didn’t actually explain how to read the putt and the video is 16 mins long, hmmm
The shaft is vertical and the hole is horizontal. A straight putt both sides of the hole would appear perpendicular to the shaft or 90 degree angles. If one side is higher on the shaft, the putt breaks away from that high side…gravity.
@@misteroneputt
haha gravity, I know all about gravity mate but you should have explained to the viewers in the same way you explained to me in words, remember when teaching over-explaining is far far far better than under explaining, far better. So now you know and thank you for explaining it clearly here in the comments, you surprised me, it makes perfect sense, perpendicular.
Remember I gave my feedback free of charge and you actually proved me right by explaining it properly in the comments
I think you’ve misinterpreted what Bryson DeChambeau is actually doing. He is not plumb bobbing the hole, he is using the edge of the putter shaft to make absolutely sure the line on the golf ball is pointing on the line he wants the ball to go. Maybe that is why you can’t get the method to work for you.
Yes that info came out after this video but you are correct
Plumb bobbing with a putter is mostly a waste of time and has done little but slow down the game. I understand why pros would take the time to do it, but 99% of amateurs are simply wasting time and slowing down the course.
Appreciate your opinion...The point here is to teach people to do it properly so they aren't wasn't time or slowing play. Many people use plumb bobbing both quickly and effectively. But it isn't for everyone. That is why I teach multiple methods for reading greens. It doesn't have to be slow as I demonstrate in this video how to do it and hole the putt in under 45 seconds total time.
I used it for the first time yesterday and it took maybe 30 seconds to get the read, line up and putt. It should not take much time once you understand it. I only 15 putted 9 holes.
@@gregoryosen9423 wow, I’ve never 15 putted even one hole. I think a 5 putt is my max ever. To 15 putt 9 holes, that has to hurt. Let’s see, 30 seconds to plumb bob times 15 putts per hole equals only 7.5 minutes per hole. That shouldn’t slow things up. 😂
I like your other videos, but this one is not for me
Not a good idea.
Calibrate a putter? Do you not understand gravity?
I do and it’s a fact that putters do not hang perfectly vertical because there is more mass on one side or the other thus causing a tilt off of vertical
Played golf since 1968. Neither plumb bob or aim point work for me. Complex topography, grain, wind, moisture etc. are vital factors not incorporated into either method.