Another really well presented review, @CarsWithSteve. I always appreciate your graphics to visually illustrate the concept you're describing. Those are pretty funky head rests for the third row seats. They sort of look like they were designed with the Coneheads in mind. :D Plug in electric hybrids are certainly a better choice than all electric, but I'm still not sold on the rechargeable electric battery component as a motor source for a vehicle. I still think if the automobile industry is going to evolve to something other than fossil fuels for power, we really need to devote more time to researching Hydrogen power. Hydrogen is not only NOT a fossil fuel, but its the most abundant element in the universe.
Thanks Patrick! I could see PHEVs reigning supreme in the next few years while more investment is poured into either EVs to lower costs or hydrogen to improve tech, bring down costs and set up more refuelling stations. The investment for hydrogen stations is going to be huge for whoever takes it on. Plus there's going to have to be a huge education push for people on the benefits of moving to hydrogen when EV has been pushed so hard the last few years
Thank you! Great question and timing considering I just wrapped up with the Sorento. The Sorento has a 2.5L base engine which is slightly more powerful than the base engine in the Outlander, but there's a 2.5L turbo version in the Sorento that has nearly 50% more power. The plugin hybrid Outlander is more powerful than the plugin hybrid Sorento and it also has better range. I personally found the 3rd row of both to be cramped, but the 3rd row of the Outlander isn't really usable if you have full sized adults in the 2nd row. The Sorento has better max towing capacity while the Outlander has slightly better all wheel drive handling. IMO the Sorento has tech that's a bit more polished but overall I'd say they're really close! Drive them back to back if your local dealers have them available to see which one you feel more comfortable in
Just did some digging into that issue, looks like some people are having problems with starting in really cold weather (-25 °C or -13°F) Doesn't seem to apply to every owner
It's something to consider for sure.. but again it doesn't happen to everyone. There have only been a few forum posts, with no recalls, out of the tens of thousands sold
Excellent review. Honestly one of the best Outlander PHEV reviews on TH-cam. However, I completely disagree with your statement at the end about the handling. You praised it, and every other vehicle journalist I've seen review this have all stated how loose the handling is. I had one for a rental last year, and I completely agree with them. So respectfully, I would strongly disagree with that statement you made.
The overall handling depends on the drive mode that you're in. I usually drive in Tarmac/Sport mode in cars I review in the spring, summer and fall which tightens things up nicely. The normal drive mode is ok, but it's a huge difference in other modes
@@CarsWithSteve Hi Steve, as an owner of this car, I agree with you. The neutral balance through a turn is shockingly good for a tall SUV. Tarmac mode is very fun and winter performance is amazing (great turn-in, nice rear bias to power delivery). Ride is a little crashy over big bumps though (shock upgrade?). The car is very softly sprung so that takes some getting used to if you're coming from a sports sedan. Great review.
Tarmac mode is for better driving response and acceleration on dry road. Power mode is strictly in the PHEV version but it'll give you better acceleration by maximizing engine output and the electric motor simultaneously. So tarmac is meant more for overall handling and acceleration whereas power in the PHEV is for better overall acceleration
3rd row is for emergency use only, besides its same size as the toyota highlander 3rd row which is a bigger suv, besides we all knew we only use 2nd row so its doesnt matter
If the 3rd row is only meant for emergencies it shouldn't be marketed as a 3 row suv... I come from a family with 9 kids and we definitely use 3 rows in our cars
@@CarsWithSteve I actually have no idea. Maybe 12? It's a regular plug outside my old condo building where some of us sometimes plug our block heaters.
If it's a condo it'll probably have a higher output which definitely makes sense why it's charging up faster. Pretty cool to know how big of a difference level 1 charging can be though. I'll have to make sure I point that out in hybrids and EVs I review!
@@CarsWithSteve I see. I didn't know I was lucky in that sense. I assumed it was the same for everyone. Clearly I'm not an electrician! I assume the charging speed will be reduced this winter because I live in Quebec. As long as the Outlander still starts, I won't complain about the charging speed!
I didn't find out until the different amp draw until I started reviewing more EVs. Had no clue it was a thing either! Is it the first time that you've owned a Mitsubishi?
I mean if it was life or death sure.. but there is a 0% chance someone my height or even at 5'6" would be able to sit in that seat comfortably for any amount of time
Ohh good question! I had someone else on this video ask a similar question: I personally found the 3rd row of both to be cramped, but the 3rd row of the Outlander isn't really usable if you have full sized adults in the 2nd row. The Sorento has better max towing capacity while the Outlander has slightly better all wheel drive handling. IMO the Sorento has tech that's a bit more polished but overall I'd say they're really close! Handling and overall performance winner would go to the Outlander, technology would be the Sorento... but the Outlander does have an available HUD which the Sorento doesn't have yet
@@Holyheart1not on these models, thus it won’t work temretures under negative 40 degree Celsius to protect tue battery. It is very rare situation and under those temperatures geographies like Yakutia or Kazakhstan people never stop their vehicles in winter times. This is a common practice as ice vehicles won’t start at those extreme low temperatures either.
You don't spend 2 bucks, you spent 2 bucks on gas plus 18kWh of electricity, which will probably be 3 bucks or so, depending on where you live (remember to include sales taxes, since that's usually included in gas prices). 5 bucks for 100km is still pretty amazing, but 5 bucks is still like 2.2L of gas so at 10L/100km you'd be comparing 22km vs 100km . . . So comparing a PHEV model being 48.2K starting in Canada vs 34.6K you're looking at something like 150K KM before even breaking even. The only way it makes sense is if you are keeping it a REALLY long time or if you get rebates (Which is why my family is buying one, since 10K off makes it much more reasonable).
The battery was full when I picked the car up. Based off of total fuel usage and having a full battery, it was maybe $2ish that was spent at the time of shooting this video. Off-peak electricity rates are 8.7 cents where I live, so it might be $1.80 to charge the battery, but you’re right that the cost will be based on where you live. And it is pretty great for the total distance driven. The cost of ownership is an interesting argument. It would be eligible for Canada and US EV incentives so you’re still 5k to 9k more than regular gas engine depending on which side of the border you’re on. If you can keep yourself in EV mode by not speeding up too quickly, you’ll recoup that cost even faster
Nice review glad I purchased mine! Dialing from Aus :)
Thanks! Did you go for the hybrid or regular gas version?
Another really well presented review, @CarsWithSteve. I always appreciate your graphics to visually illustrate the concept you're describing. Those are pretty funky head rests for the third row seats. They sort of look like they were designed with the Coneheads in mind. :D
Plug in electric hybrids are certainly a better choice than all electric, but I'm still not sold on the rechargeable electric battery component as a motor source for a vehicle. I still think if the automobile industry is going to evolve to something other than fossil fuels for power, we really need to devote more time to researching Hydrogen power. Hydrogen is not only NOT a fossil fuel, but its the most abundant element in the universe.
Thanks Patrick! I could see PHEVs reigning supreme in the next few years while more investment is poured into either EVs to lower costs or hydrogen to improve tech, bring down costs and set up more refuelling stations. The investment for hydrogen stations is going to be huge for whoever takes it on. Plus there's going to have to be a huge education push for people on the benefits of moving to hydrogen when EV has been pushed so hard the last few years
Cool video. You should review the Mitsu Mirage hatch 😊
I have that one on the list! Hoping it's available before the end of the year
@@CarsWithSteve cool
Made me LOL about the third row seat. 😂
HAHA it's so tight back there
Excellent review! I am considering the Kia Sorento. How does it compare?
Thank you! Great question and timing considering I just wrapped up with the Sorento.
The Sorento has a 2.5L base engine which is slightly more powerful than the base engine in the Outlander, but there's a 2.5L turbo version in the Sorento that has nearly 50% more power. The plugin hybrid Outlander is more powerful than the plugin hybrid Sorento and it also has better range.
I personally found the 3rd row of both to be cramped, but the 3rd row of the Outlander isn't really usable if you have full sized adults in the 2nd row. The Sorento has better max towing capacity while the Outlander has slightly better all wheel drive handling. IMO the Sorento has tech that's a bit more polished but overall I'd say they're really close! Drive them back to back if your local dealers have them available to see which one you feel more comfortable in
What about long run if there's two
Does anyone have input on the PHVE problems with starting in cold weather or other problem not to buy ?
Just did some digging into that issue, looks like some people are having problems with starting in really cold weather (-25 °C or -13°F) Doesn't seem to apply to every owner
@ so it could be a issue living in the mid west not sure if worth taking a chance
It's something to consider for sure.. but again it doesn't happen to everyone. There have only been a few forum posts, with no recalls, out of the tens of thousands sold
Excellent review. Honestly one of the best Outlander PHEV reviews on TH-cam. However, I completely disagree with your statement at the end about the handling. You praised it, and every other vehicle journalist I've seen review this have all stated how loose the handling is. I had one for a rental last year, and I completely agree with them. So respectfully, I would strongly disagree with that statement you made.
The overall handling depends on the drive mode that you're in. I usually drive in Tarmac/Sport mode in cars I review in the spring, summer and fall which tightens things up nicely. The normal drive mode is ok, but it's a huge difference in other modes
@@CarsWithSteve Hi Steve, as an owner of this car, I agree with you. The neutral balance through a turn is shockingly good for a tall SUV. Tarmac mode is very fun and winter performance is amazing (great turn-in, nice rear bias to power delivery). Ride is a little crashy over big bumps though (shock upgrade?). The car is very softly sprung so that takes some getting used to if you're coming from a sports sedan. Great review.
What’s the difference between Power & Tarmac modes?
Tarmac mode is for better driving response and acceleration on dry road. Power mode is strictly in the PHEV version but it'll give you better acceleration by maximizing engine output and the electric motor simultaneously. So tarmac is meant more for overall handling and acceleration whereas power in the PHEV is for better overall acceleration
@@CarsWithSteve thank you 🙏
anytime
3rd row is for emergency use only, besides its same size as the toyota highlander 3rd row which is a bigger suv,
besides we all knew we only use 2nd row so its doesnt matter
If the 3rd row is only meant for emergencies it shouldn't be marketed as a 3 row suv... I come from a family with 9 kids and we definitely use 3 rows in our cars
2bucks gas how much electric cost was there?
Our overnight kw rate is 0.028 - but it was fully charged up when I picked it up and used a little over 1L of gas during the trip
@CarsWithSteve wow our rate is .19 per kw
New york rge
@CarsWithSteve I looked up canandian over night rates and they seem to be 2.8 cents per kw really low nice
Wow, that's a crazy difference. That's typically our on peak average cost
It doesn't take 20 hours to charge with a regular outlet. I just bought one, and I go from empty to full in about 10 hours.
What's the amp output of your outlet? 6, 8, 10 or 12?
@@CarsWithSteve I actually have no idea. Maybe 12? It's a regular plug outside my old condo building where some of us sometimes plug our block heaters.
If it's a condo it'll probably have a higher output which definitely makes sense why it's charging up faster. Pretty cool to know how big of a difference level 1 charging can be though. I'll have to make sure I point that out in hybrids and EVs I review!
@@CarsWithSteve I see. I didn't know I was lucky in that sense. I assumed it was the same for everyone. Clearly I'm not an electrician! I assume the charging speed will be reduced this winter because I live in Quebec. As long as the Outlander still starts, I won't complain about the charging speed!
I didn't find out until the different amp draw until I started reviewing more EVs. Had no clue it was a thing either! Is it the first time that you've owned a Mitsubishi?
I'm pretty sure you would fit in the 3rd row if your life depends on it.
I mean if it was life or death sure.. but there is a 0% chance someone my height or even at 5'6" would be able to sit in that seat comfortably for any amount of time
What's your preference between this outlander and Kia Sorento?
Ohh good question! I had someone else on this video ask a similar question:
I personally found the 3rd row of both to be cramped, but the 3rd row of the Outlander isn't really usable if you have full sized adults in the 2nd row. The Sorento has better max towing capacity while the Outlander has slightly better all wheel drive handling. IMO the Sorento has tech that's a bit more polished but overall I'd say they're really close!
Handling and overall performance winner would go to the Outlander, technology would be the Sorento... but the Outlander does have an available HUD which the Sorento doesn't have yet
Sorento doesnt have heat pump. To me this is a deal breaker.
@@e.s.5271does the 2025 outlander have a way to heat battery?
@@Holyheart1not on these models, thus it won’t work temretures under negative 40 degree Celsius to protect tue battery. It is very rare situation and under those temperatures geographies like Yakutia or Kazakhstan people never stop their vehicles in winter times. This is a common practice as ice vehicles won’t start at those extreme low temperatures either.
You don't spend 2 bucks, you spent 2 bucks on gas plus 18kWh of electricity, which will probably be 3 bucks or so, depending on where you live (remember to include sales taxes, since that's usually included in gas prices).
5 bucks for 100km is still pretty amazing, but 5 bucks is still like 2.2L of gas so at 10L/100km you'd be comparing 22km vs 100km . . . So comparing a PHEV model being 48.2K starting in Canada vs 34.6K you're looking at something like 150K KM before even breaking even.
The only way it makes sense is if you are keeping it a REALLY long time or if you get rebates (Which is why my family is buying one, since 10K off makes it much more reasonable).
The battery was full when I picked the car up. Based off of total fuel usage and having a full battery, it was maybe $2ish that was spent at the time of shooting this video. Off-peak electricity rates are 8.7 cents where I live, so it might be $1.80 to charge the battery, but you’re right that the cost will be based on where you live. And it is pretty great for the total distance driven.
The cost of ownership is an interesting argument. It would be eligible for Canada and US EV incentives so you’re still 5k to 9k more than regular gas engine depending on which side of the border you’re on. If you can keep yourself in EV mode by not speeding up too quickly, you’ll recoup that cost even faster
how do we get 10k rebate. I am only seeing 5K rebate off as federal rebate
@@samia7756 My province also has a matching 5k EV/PHEV rebate for a total of 10k.
The best comment! We got out phev sel touring package listed at 51k sith 16500 discount after dealer mark downs and total rebates.
Do Mitsubishi cars have Auto Stop?
I didn't notice the feature at all during the review of this 2024 plugin or the regular gas version I did a few years ago
They don’t have the auto stop function, only have the Auto Hold feature