its funny how Will think every step and Alec go with the flow and near the end Will is always calm and relax and Alec is almost dying in despair cuz he didnt finish his job ^^
For being myself a rope dart spinner, Alec's dart look more like a real Chinese dart than Will's dart who look more like a throwing knife on a rope than a dart. To throw the dart more accurately you can pass the dart under your arm pit then over your shoulder and when it's high enough you pull down the rope and release it at the same time. This cause the dart to fly in a straight line and at a high speed. Anyway great challenge guys your awesome !
@@BestLittleStudio Sorry for my bad explanation lol. In fact, you have to let the dart "wrapping" around your shoulder by passing it under your arm pit. The dart will do a half circle before you pull down with your dominant hand to make the throw. ( don't know if it is more clear 😂)
Well done lads, they turned out great. Please make a set of damascus scissors.. I know they will be tough but they combine a lot of skills to make and would provide a good 100 episode series Cheers
Hey Alec! Just watched the lathe video. I'm in highschool working precision machines so I picked up on a few things. This is important: we always put the workpiece in and indicate the sides of the workpiece! Then you can fix the wobbly mess and taper along the part via the 4 opposing screws on the outside of the chuck!
YES! I used to do firespinning and object manipulation on the regular with a rope dart, awesome piece of kit and technique especially when you train with it for awhile.
You guys are both awesome! Congratulations to Will for the win! Alec, I think you had smarter design considerations (keeping the weight up), but Alex won in execution. Nice knot knowledge, too!
Not that I would mind a multi-part series, by the way. Just that we should know these two well enough by now to have an idea of what it might turn out like🙂
Love it. I've played with a rope dart, start at 5-7 feet then work out from there. "We make terrible ninjas" had me rolling. As did the look on Will's face at the tied on mittens remark. Have a beautiful day guys.
Just thought I'd let you guys know, your videos helped me pass one of my engineering exams. I had a question on the pros and cons of different types of casting (die, sand, investment) and used info from your vids to answer the question
I was going to make that Scorpion's reference. Glad was not alone. It's my brother's favorite champion. Mine was Sub Zero. Our relationship was just like theirs xD
Your channel has basically taken over my life... I shut my phone off, take a pee, grab a water, grab a snack, draw the blinds, lock the dogs out, turn the volume up, recline my chair, and enjoy.... Its my drug of choice. So stoked on your channel and my enthusiasm has stayed constant for 3 years, or since 10,000 subs. Thank you Alec, and thank you Will! P.S. You could put out hour long videos and I would watch every second. Just look at Mighty Car mods... Works well for them. But, ill never really complain. Just don't stop pumping out incredible content!
Will: So, firstly, you want to make a loop around your hand, and you're done. It looks like I have some free time. So I guess I'll do some cleaning. Alec: AHH 3 MINUTES LEFT NOOOO
Favorite thing about STEELE VS STELTER? The fact that you guys aren't petty and still work together during a competition. Also everything else about it.
Would love to see you guys taking on a folding knife project, maybe a pair... One for each of you. Some damascus steel and gem inlay! Could be a great little series to watch
Is ít me, or was this like the Little Boy and Fat Man of rope knives? Excellent SvS match! And Will... well done... again... Both looked absolutely beautiful and deadly! ✌🏼
you might want to consider that often these types of weapons were on a chain instead of rope (consider the kusarigama), so that they could not be cut, then ribbons might be woven through them to silence the links, with the generally accepted "best" length being; stand with your arms outstretched to the sides, measure from the ground up to one hand, across to the other, and then back down to the ground, this should give a length that can be thrown and recovered smoothly, with one smooth motion for each also consider putting the kunai-ish thingy that Wil made on one end and the meteor hammer type thingy that Alec made on the other end, for double ended action, and also consider making them twice the size, or more, 4 times as big may be too much, maybe, but they need more mass to do much more than nick the can like that, sticking in a wooden target would be tough just in case you wanted to try and make these quite lethal weapons Better what happened to the designated target area to the shop, did that not move with you?
They both turned out great! The cylindrical shape is probably the more common type (better aerodynamics) but rope darts are sometimes flat blades too. Excellent work!
Im a blacksmith my self and have made a large number of weird weapons including one such as the one you guys made. I’ve been using my "rope dart" for a few years and if you guys want to be more accurate than I’d suggest a good amount of practice but just as a heads up. If the target is above the waist line then truly to do an overhand throw instead of the underhand throw you guys did Otherwise you guys did a great job and I hope to see some more content like this one. 👍
Excellent seeing you two take a go at this as always. Gotta admit, they both look good...Will's looks like it's better for piercing into things...but Alec's looks like it'd have more weight behind it. Great fun to see both your takes on the same concept.
A little tip for you, guys. You need to think in 2 things when you make a throwing robe-dart. Air resistence and make the robe run for your hand. You spin the dart and throw in a arc, making the robe gentlely pull back the dart caused by the atrict with your hand. Some add in the end of the dart can help to stablelase. Sorry by my terreble englesh, but i think you can understand. Any questions, I'm here
If you start from 2-3 feet away and work on the technique of piercing your target then you will have better accuracy as you work your way up to 10-15 feet from there
**Edited at the bottom** At around 3:50 when Alec mentions a “rounded dart” I’m kind of wincing because of the background knowledge I’ve gained on medieval arrows, the armor piercing arrows tended to have sharp geometrical shapes with as much defined edge as possible on their shapes, this was due to the physics involved in puncturing metal. A rounded tip has to force and push its way through a new face of metal at every degree, whereas something shaped like a leaf or a more pyramidal shape only has to cleave through where the edges meet, the faces of the arrow peel itself through. My terms are all mixed up which might be difficult to understand but basically it’s similar to punching a bucket of water verses karate chopping it and the displaced water represents the amount of work that shape had to exert to achieve the desired effect. You’d notice that the fist, having a more rounded shape, will splash more water compared to the karate chop. ** it just occurred to me that his goal isn’t full penetration but to puncture, and with the weight he seems to be keeping on the piece he should achieve what he wants provided he gets a solid hit.
Used to make these out of flat stock in my dad's shop as a kid. I found that the most accurate way to throw them is by throwing the actual knife and the rope only acts to keep the knife/dart flying point first by creating some drag behind the center of gravity. Mine only had a few feet of rope as that was plenty to keep them flying point first. Later I found that strapping material or a sturdy ribbon worked even better than rope.
:D You just noticed his excited hand shakes? The guy is like a new born Adventurous and Courageous Puppy, he's excited about everything, and just has a thing for life. I love this quality of his.
I love that you guys still help each other even when you’re competing and on a time limit
This😁
They are so cute 😍🤗
It's good sportsmanship
Alec: "How did 18 minutes already go by?"
Me: "How are you two that far after 18 minutes?"
Ben Glaser that’s what she said
Bro it is heating steel u need alot of time to make it hot orange steel to work with
Alec: You're punching a hole too?
Will: No this is just for decoration.
😂😂
Will, as usual, absolutely killed it. Amazing job, young man! That Alec, always overthinking and over designing... good job, fellas
its funny how Will think every step and Alec go with the flow and near the end Will is always calm and relax and Alec is almost dying in despair cuz he didnt finish his job ^^
Alec didn't think this one through at all. A round cross section won't make for a good piercer. Bodkin points weren't square for nothing.
For being myself a rope dart spinner, Alec's dart look more like a real Chinese dart than Will's dart who look more like a throwing knife on a rope than a dart.
To throw the dart more accurately you can pass the dart under your arm pit then over your shoulder and when it's high enough you pull down the rope and release it at the same time. This cause the dart to fly in a straight line and at a high speed.
Anyway great challenge guys your awesome !
"pass the dart under your arm pit then over your shoulder "
I need a visual on this.
@@BestLittleStudio Sorry for my bad explanation lol. In fact, you have to let the dart "wrapping" around your shoulder by passing it under your arm pit. The dart will do a half circle before you pull down with your dominant hand to make the throw. ( don't know if it is more clear 😂)
@@thechemist3787 not really XD im getting a picture but do you got video of tehnic?
Loving those cuts at 6:21 :) Someone is having fun editing!
huh odd to see you here wasted
@@myrkurvr I am a youtube wanderer! :)
@@myrkurvr Myrkur as in Amalie Bruun?
“Semi-trained almost professionals” new shirt idea?
thats the shirt you want to see your doctor wear
Yes!!!!!
I was about to post the same thing. I would buy one.
@@bobrobert6277 definitely, especially a surgeon.
I also want one.
>Uses nitrile gloves to protect hands from chemical burns of etching
>Shakes hands with gloves on with person not wearing gloves ಠ_ಠ
Big ooof
they dont feel pain fool
@@clanof1144 They have ascended beyond human limitations
@@K..C they are not puny mortals
Alec: "we make terrible ninjas"
everyone watching: *shocked pikachu face*
Right? Haha
?
That's not how that meme works
Well done lads, they turned out great.
Please make a set of damascus scissors.. I know they will be tough but they combine a lot of skills to make and would provide a good 100 episode series
Cheers
Unstoppable Tramp I’m totally behind this idea
4:20 “you think you’re gonna win aye punk” one of the funniest things I’ve heard Alec say to Will
i love Alec.
Hilarious when he mentioned handy mittens too :D
What followed was even funnier. That's why I like Alec he's such a nice person.
You guys should make trench knives with cast knuckle dusters for your next build off.
I bet you are preety jealous of your yellow rival right now.
No MK reference from Sub Zero. Such a shame
I’ve been thinking gnarly trench clubs.
Let's Do a Rope Knife Challenge.
........Alex makes a Plumb bob
I was thinking the same thing and looked in the comment section to see if anyone else was as well
He's a Brit. He's still adjusting to the concept of being able have real weapons. 😁
So that's the real reason he moved to the colony? We can have knifes and swords over here? Lol.
@@crazyeyez1502 LOL WHAT IS THIS 1640? HE IS IN MONTANA HARDLY A BRITISH COLONY!
This made me laugh way too much😂
You should do a Steele Vs Stelter one day sword challenge
Do you have any idea how long it takes to make a sword?
@@infamoussky22 alec did a one day sword video I am pretty sure, so it is possible
I commented that because I literally just watched the video yesterday where Alec do the one day sword challenge so yes it's possible
drew13600 nice
Angry Mario little late buddy
I love how calm Will is, and how energetic Alec is. Total opposite working styles 😂
Hey Alec! Just watched the lathe video. I'm in highschool working precision machines so I picked up on a few things. This is important: we always put the workpiece in and indicate the sides of the workpiece! Then you can fix the wobbly mess and taper along the part via the 4 opposing screws on the outside of the chuck!
I'd like to see you two work on a project where you build some sort of two handed arrangement like a weapon + shield, or a weapon for each hand, etc.
I want to see a Steele vs Stelter Damascus forged dinner bells.
Charles Lair why 😂😂😂
You cast bells
@@435now or you could forge it...
Not really, their shape means its almost impossible to forge them and you have to cast them.
Would steel make a good bell. I don’t know if you would get a good tone. I guess they could try to smith bronze but I don’t know if that would work.
Steele vs. Stelter is great because you guys always give tips.
I'd let either one give me the tip any time they wanted to.
Runs up and down stairs viciously yelling with a knife dart.., this is why Alec has his prime moments XD
Hope the next Steel Vs Stelter is a Tomahawk build off
I second this notion.. dual throwing hatchets would be dope
I don't know about that. I don't think either of them has the aerospace training to build a helicopter from scratch.
Oh man! This would be totally awesome!
YES! I used to do firespinning and object manipulation on the regular with a rope dart, awesome piece of kit and technique especially when you train with it for awhile.
You guys are both awesome! Congratulations to Will for the win! Alec, I think you had smarter design considerations (keeping the weight up), but Alex won in execution. Nice knot knowledge, too!
His design didn't work at all, too thick. It's a rope knife to penetrate or cut not a rope cone to bludgeon
Will is just too good to be such a blacksmith at such a young age. I am impressed.
finally another Steele vs Stetler episode. lol. thank you for finally making another one. love your channel m8
It is stelter vs Steele!! ☺️😂😂
Such great material shared here. Thanks for doing that and Greetings from WW2HistoryHunter.
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Love that you guys help each other in these competitions! Much truer to blacksmith character than the way forged in fire portrays smiths.
forged in fire competitors help each other all the time though...
Will, I respect that you have your eagle and are pursuing metal work. I love metal working and am Eagle Scout. Have fun and continue on.
Alec, it's a pleasure to have been following you over the course of these last few years.
Thanks for teaching all of us 😁❤
How about a challenge where you both have no time limit! Make it a multi part series?
multipart nice, swiss army knife.
Hi welcome back to the workshop, this is part 235 of the no limit beat Will challenge.
Do you know what kind of risks that kind of freedom would bring with it?🤔
[French Spongebob voice] ..three years later..
Not that I would mind a multi-part series, by the way. Just that we should know these two well enough by now to have an idea of what it might turn out like🙂
At what part does it turn into just physically beating will?
obviously Will has made a kunai or two lol
Stephen Keefe it shows for sure 😂
Love it. I've played with a rope dart, start at 5-7 feet then work out from there. "We make terrible ninjas" had me rolling. As did the look on Will's face at the tied on mittens remark. Have a beautiful day guys.
Next week: we make Damascus shotguns and finish off that drizzink! 🤓🤓🤓
It’s funny I actually have an old shotgun barrel and I’m trying to think of what I can forge out of it lol
Then they make the ammunition
mgmcd1 Damascus steel shot
Your trying too hard to be funny
James Bolger I admit I was trying too hard. Perhaps you should try a little harder with your grammar.
Just thought I'd let you guys know, your videos helped me pass one of my engineering exams. I had a question on the pros and cons of different types of casting (die, sand, investment) and used info from your vids to answer the question
I swear if i don't hear "GET OVER HERE" by when this video ends im rioting
I really like how y'all have good sportsmanship and you help each other
Awesome videos guys. Aside from the very interesting technical aspects, your positive attitudes and work ethic are always nice to see.
All that throwing stuff around and not one
Get over here
I'm sad....
Dave McKinney Pudge?
@@f.b.lagent1113 Scorpion from Mortal Kombat.
I was going to make that Scorpion's reference. Glad was not alone.
It's my brother's favorite champion. Mine was Sub Zero. Our relationship was just like theirs xD
GET OVER HERE
And let's have a hug
They don't seem like the video game type to me.
look at that...
incredible sportsmanship right there! helping eachother even in competition
They kinda have too and both switched role so it gets the same time out anyway.
If Will has actually completed Eagle Scout, congratulations! That is quite a feat.
Your channel has basically taken over my life... I shut my phone off, take a pee, grab a water, grab a snack, draw the blinds, lock the dogs out, turn the volume up, recline my chair, and enjoy.... Its my drug of choice. So stoked on your channel and my enthusiasm has stayed constant for 3 years, or since 10,000 subs. Thank you Alec, and thank you Will!
P.S. You could put out hour long videos and I would watch every second. Just look at Mighty Car mods... Works well for them. But, ill never really complain. Just don't stop pumping out incredible content!
Love these challenges. It's an awesome addition to your videos, in between major projects.
Scorpion from Mortal Kombat: *heavy breathing*
Get over here!
hanzo hasashi new shirai ryu clan members in Training
This legit made me lol
It makes me so happy to see more ropedart content out there! Great smithing, those things look amazing! Thank you!
All I want is a two week vs super challenge of who will make the best sword
"How has 18 minutes gone by?!? That's crazy"....grabs coffee cup - priorities.
I've actually got enough respect for Alex to not fast forward through sponsors
but not enough to spell his name right ? *alec
Will's blade making experience definitely shines through in this challenge! Beauty little dart!
I got a challenge for ya try and make a swedish staff-sword
Jag är från Sverige🇸🇪
I enjoy these vs. competitions. Really great ideas and it's fun to watch. The outcomes are even surprisingly nice.
4"..... I've got my girl convinced that that's a full 8".
You sir are a fuckin genius
Booooiiiiiiiiii
Someone explain plz...
Please guys continue giving us more Alec vs will. Thanks again for your posts
Will: So, firstly, you want to make a loop around your hand, and you're done. It looks like I have some free time. So I guess I'll do some cleaning.
Alec: AHH 3 MINUTES LEFT NOOOO
Nice work guys - functional and easy on the eyes.
I was expecting Alec to say ( Toe- maw-toe) but he said it like an American 👍🇺🇸
12:00 No... no, he did not.
No, he said it incorrectly
Favorite thing about STEELE VS STELTER?
The fact that you guys aren't petty and still work together during a competition.
Also everything else about it.
It looks like Will made a rope dart and Alec made a plumb bob.
Would love to see you guys taking on a folding knife project, maybe a pair... One for each of you. Some damascus steel and gem inlay! Could be a great little series to watch
Is ít me, or was this like the Little Boy and Fat Man of rope knives?
Excellent SvS match! And Will... well done... again...
Both looked absolutely beautiful and deadly!
✌🏼
Will's shade is in another level😂😂
alex: oh your punching a hole to?
will: nope its just for decoration
Heeeeres your sign.
you might want to consider that often these types of weapons were on a chain instead of rope (consider the kusarigama), so that they could not be cut, then ribbons might be woven through them to silence the links, with the generally accepted "best" length being; stand with your arms outstretched to the sides, measure from the ground up to one hand, across to the other, and then back down to the ground, this should give a length that can be thrown and recovered smoothly, with one smooth motion for each
also consider putting the kunai-ish thingy that Wil made on one end and the meteor hammer type thingy that Alec made on the other end, for double ended action, and also consider making them twice the size, or more, 4 times as big may be too much, maybe, but they need more mass to do much more than nick the can like that, sticking in a wooden target would be tough
just in case you wanted to try and make these quite lethal weapons Better
what happened to the designated target area to the shop, did that not move with you?
Plot twist: Alec and Will are preparing for Forged and Fire Ultimate Teams. Thats why they keep doing the competitions.=0
that is something we all would love to see..
They both turned out great! The cylindrical shape is probably the more common type (better aerodynamics) but rope darts are sometimes flat blades too. Excellent work!
" please do not do this yourself"
me: huh interesting that's exactly what im gonna do
Dang it's crazy how fast this channel is already approaching 2 Million subscribers, heck yeah, impressive
I love your show, every episode is brilliant!!
Im a blacksmith my self and have made a large number of weird weapons including one such as the one you guys made. I’ve been using my "rope dart" for a few years and if you guys want to be more accurate than I’d suggest a good amount of practice but just as a heads up. If the target is above the waist line then truly to do an overhand throw instead of the underhand throw you guys did
Otherwise you guys did a great job and I hope to see some more content like this one. 👍
Keep practicing, and one day you can use these to reach for things in your shop.
What's that? You can't reach design book. No problem, rope dart.
Alec: sweating like a waterfall
Will: just coasting
I thought the new forge was going to get cool doors instead of bricks.
Yeah what happened?
This channel is the best thing ever.
Good job boys they are both incredible looking, I can’t choose a winner in the look department
You talking about the boys or their darts there, bro?
Runoratsu probably the funniest comment I’ve ever had lol, props. The darts lol
Excellent seeing you two take a go at this as always. Gotta admit, they both look good...Will's looks like it's better for piercing into things...but Alec's looks like it'd have more weight behind it. Great fun to see both your takes on the same concept.
Congratzz Will, nice
plumb bob Alec!
A little tip for you, guys. You need to think in 2 things when you make a throwing robe-dart. Air resistence and make the robe run for your hand. You spin the dart and throw in a arc, making the robe gentlely pull back the dart caused by the atrict with your hand. Some add in the end of the dart can help to stablelase. Sorry by my terreble englesh, but i think you can understand. Any questions, I'm here
We still want to see a Damascus snow shovel! Great work by the way
Almost first
I’ve recently made a discovery of a horrific beauty of Italian blacksmithing; the Lantern Shield. I’d love to see you try and recreate one!
If you start from 2-3 feet away and work on the technique of piercing your target then you will have better accuracy as you work your way up to 10-15 feet from there
**Edited at the bottom**
At around 3:50 when Alec mentions a “rounded dart” I’m kind of wincing because of the background knowledge I’ve gained on medieval arrows, the armor piercing arrows tended to have sharp geometrical shapes with as much defined edge as possible on their shapes, this was due to the physics involved in puncturing metal. A rounded tip has to force and push its way through a new face of metal at every degree, whereas something shaped like a leaf or a more pyramidal shape only has to cleave through where the edges meet, the faces of the arrow peel itself through.
My terms are all mixed up which might be difficult to understand but basically it’s similar to punching a bucket of water verses karate chopping it and the displaced water represents the amount of work that shape had to exert to achieve the desired effect. You’d notice that the fist, having a more rounded shape, will splash more water compared to the karate chop.
** it just occurred to me that his goal isn’t full penetration but to puncture, and with the weight he seems to be keeping on the piece he should achieve what he wants provided he gets a solid hit.
TomAHto, Alec!! Where has your britishness gone!? ;)
RoryM07 he’ll be saying Alumium soon... 😂
Yeah, that kinda disgusted me. It sounds so wrong.
Ste Rumbelow I’m wondering where that last i is in aluminum...
Alec still pronounces the "L" in SOLDER. Not sure if that's a British thing but it sure ain't American.
Yay! Steele vs Stelter is back!
I’m 4 minutes in and I’m betting Will wins again.
YES! I called it!!!
Alec build Damascus 1911 hand grips. Or do more American flag Damascus!
Man those flag Damascus billets were so cool! I wish he would do some more too!
Well he is in Murcia now... he has no excuse lol!
Nice I love the Steele vs Stelter videos it’s a lot of fun to watch.
So Will is a skinny little guy, until he picks up a hammer
Notice his upper body development...NOT skinny. Biceps, chest, shoulders.
Used to make these out of flat stock in my dad's shop as a kid. I found that the most accurate way to throw them is by throwing the actual knife and the rope only acts to keep the knife/dart flying point first by creating some drag behind the center of gravity. Mine only had a few feet of rope as that was plenty to keep them flying point first.
Later I found that strapping material or a sturdy ribbon worked even better than rope.
15 ft, that's like 423.8 butterfly wings, right? Those imperial units always confuse me. Love your videos guys.
423.5
@@mspeir Ah, thanks for clarifying.
It's a little less than 5 meters.
Will, that looks amazing!
Alec: "Tom-ah-toe can"
Will: That's tomato can not an axe. And its pronounced "Tomahawk".
Alec:...
Will: Silly.
You're doing all these things that Will knows! Time to turn the tables and do a diamond embedded ring VS episode.
Looking forward to the day you guys get a giant countdown clock for the wall....
Will made a really cool looking rope knife. Alec made a big heavy necklace.
*Sees title*
Scorpion has entered the chat
I noticed will loves the twist things lol very time he makes something it allways has a twist in it lol amazing video guys keep up the good work :)
"A lovely blister that promptly ripped off"
-WS
Anyone else notice how aggressive Alec's handshakes are? Nearly pulls Will over every time.
:D You just noticed his excited hand shakes? The guy is like a new born Adventurous and Courageous Puppy, he's excited about everything, and just has a thing for life.
I love this quality of his.
Should've gotten a sponsorship from Campbell ;)
This channel deserve way more than 1.7 mill subs guys keep up the good work!
As a web developer, I'm beginning to feel a little attacked, Alec...
"Web developing" is what Systems Managers do in their spare time.
Truueeee.
I hear spiders are the only web developers that enjoy finding bugs
I want to see you make some SCISSORS next!
Yes scissors like the ones Tim at Big Dog forge