People who think Mo is weak for getting knocked out by that are beyond me. Any hit to the head can knock you out if it hits you in the right spot, same way your leg can give out when you get hit on the perennial nerve. Hope this doesn’t leave lasting effects, great video
Beyond you? It’s actually quite easy to understand: people who think he’s weak for getting knocked out literally have no clue about anything. No clue about the human body, no clue about fighting, no clue about contact sports.
People who say this have most likely never been punched, never mind been hit in the back of the head. A punch to the back of the head, that you have no idea is coming is terrifying.
@@hypocritetrollbot7729 exactly. I actually don't like Wagner but that was some coward sh*t by Hayes. No one should ever get hurt let alone knocked out and have a big risk of having a permanent injury.
I love how some people were trying to play it off and act like Mo is weak for being knocked out like that. Really shows who never trained a day in their life and who never fought a day in their life as well.
@@2299mikey yall act like you can decide what knocks you out lmao. Could be the simplest thing, especially when you're not expecting it. It's obvious you know nothing.
@@2299mikey you literally have no physical control of how how your brain reacts when you get hit in the head. And a certain hit that knocks you out might be nothing to me and vice versa.
As someone who does boxing seeing that made me livid. Knowing the danger of a sucker punch especially to the back of the head was scary to see how his body reacted.
No disrespect, but as a person who has played a LOT of basketball, what MO Wagner did was not a basketball play AT ALL. It is very dangerous to redirect someone into solid objects when they are in a sprint. Luckily for Killian, he didn't impact anything at full speed or hit the wrong objects. It could've caused him to miss the season, or worst case, be career ending. I don't agree with the melee, but I understand the reaction to a very dirty play. Players know the consequences of those types of plays, so when you CHOOSE to engage in that, be ready for the response.
Doc, after learning about the story of boxer Prichard Colon, I seriously was worried for Moe's health after that hit, good to hear that appareantly wasn't the case, thank you for the knowledge you give us.👏🏻👌🏼
Tell the man stop with his CONSTANT DIRTY PLAYS. It’s only a matter of time before someone acts irresponsibly because of Wagners actions. I mean the man has A LOT of dirty plays. Same thing with Smart, Allen and a lot others. He could’ve injured Hayes with that dumb move because he lost the ball. Idk. I barely see Moes younger brother even remotely getting involved in Moes stunts. Idk though.
Yet again another amazing injury breakdown. This guy is no joke and is excellent at explaining things on a level that a normal person with no schooling can understand
Yes he punched him in the back but he was pushed first. It’s retaliation homie. The first push was more cowardly and got him in that situation to begin with.
Nah, wagner is the coward one, shoved hayes to the crowd even though he could get the ball first. He's lucky neither of them are injured, though the risk of being a paraplegic might put the fear of God into him
@@lilbmxman66akax999thhokage nope $100 million fine and banned from basketball and all sport for life. After that, add a criminal assault charge and jail time.
@@petert3355 relax killian was pushed into the stands and then hit mo with a mid hit that happened to wobble him. He wasn't trying to paralyze intentionally or had in mind the reprocessions of hitting someone in back of the head.
As a person who has had concussions from both front and rear impact injuries to my skull, I recovered easily from the front impacts, while the single time I was knocked unconscious by a rear impact I was unable to do anything but lay on the couch for two weeks with the worst piercing migraines I’ve ever experienced
Dude, same. Almost exactly the same. Front impact concussion in 2013, was right as rain within a few days. Took an accidental rear-impact kick to my head during MMA training in 2021, and it was about a 3-4 months recovery process, with a lingering effects.
@@ryantrudell4686 mine wasn't as bad as that, likely due to severity of injury. But yeah there's just something about rear skull impact injuries that our bodies just cannot handle as well
@@brqxton8974 if you touch the back of your head you can see there's a softer spot where your brain and top of your spine are not really very protected by bones and muscle tissue. It's scary to think how easy it is to cause damage in that area. I'm happy both of you are okay because the recovery process from those blows sounds scary too.
@@MoralesCorner it’s also incredibly dangerous because of the brain stem. It wasn’t uncommon, when rabbit punches were still legal in boxing, to see boxers brain stems get split, or even detached altogether, which would kill the boxers before they had time to be taken out of the ring
A few years ago in an Australian cricket match a batter was hit in the back of the head by the ball and was dead a few hours later. That area of the body is so vulnerable and shame on anyone who strikes you with your back turned.
Sadly Hughes was technically dead within second of the blow. A relative of mine was killed by a blow to the back of the head in a school yard in the 70s which lead to Cricket balls being banned in school yards.
the good doctor seems to have made a mistake. he said stains to the ligaments and sprains to the tendons, but strain would be to the muscle, and a ligament damage would be a sprain.
He broke it down too quickly. There are different angles of the event. Wagner was knocked out by bumping heads with Stewart after being pushed from behind by Diallo.
I’m primarily an MMA fan, so I’m not squeamish about violent contact in sports, even when the rules don’t allow it. However, some things are so dangerous that they transcend a skirmish; they become criminal. This stuff cannot happen.
Definitely nice to see this covered and explained. I understand the frustration after being shoulder pushed to the bench, but you should never rabbit punch someone! Hopefully these players are informed about the very serious injuries that can occur with a rabbit punch.
@@Dawg476 the push Wagner did is definitely what instigated the rabbit punch, but players need to be informed about the serious danger of a punch to the back of someone's head. Wagner got the suspension/fee as well, and rightfully so. But again players need to be aware of the full outcome of a rabbit punch. More than their career can be ended. Unfortunately quite a large amount still have trouble handling impulse and emotions, especially at a young age when those hormones are still flying everywhere.
There was an incident like this about 15 years ago where I live. There was an adult softball league and after a game some guy was angry and did this to another guy - he ended up killing him with one punch. Scary stuff.
@Olvin G I didn't say it was cool, I said it was impressive. Nuclear weapons are also impressive and I don't find them cool. One punching someone to death is quite a feat.
I was thinking that, too. It would be one thing to just jump on and drop this knowledge, but dude comes professional and with video and graphics in no time!
It isn't like he animated the graphic himself on the spot, it's likely just an anatomy graphic program he has installed for these videos. He just showed it and talked about info he already knows about. Probably took him 10 or 20 minutes to make and edit.
disagree. I highly doubt Hayes had any idea a back of the head retaliation was any more dangerous than a front of the head retaliation. Hayes absolutely should face a suspension here, not just a fine, but I doubt he knew the significance of the strike he threw when he went about it.
@@hildenbrandt21 bro is a professional athlete it's his job to know basic body risks and functions to stay at top shape and prevent injuries he definitely knew
@@evileyegaming405 not sure where I said that wasn't the fact. I just dont think a 45-50 game suspension for a first time offender is anywhere near rational.
Didn't realize the importance of that area, thanks for sharing! Guess it kind of helps explain the death of Dale Earhart in what seemed like a simple collision with the wall, it was the whiplash effect and what it caused to happen.
It was not a simple collision into the wall. At those speeds, even what seem like impact the wall at “benign” angles still delivers the a tremendous amount of violent force to the car. And without today’s safety devices for drivers, Ernhardt didn’t have a chance
@@ryantrudell4686 I should have said seemed like a sliding slow speed impact with the wall, admittedly. In my years of watching racing since the 70's I've seen much harder impacts not have the same outcome. Dale was my dad's favorite driver, he would argue with anyone over Dale's way of driving that many didn't like. I have nothing but fond memories of him arguing with my aunts and uncles over who the best driver was.
Can you do a video on migraines? It was interesting to see people again questioning whether Pam Oliver was having a stroke during the Dolphins and Packers game. She's been dealing with migraines that affect her speech on camera for some years now.
I personally dealt with a hit to back of my head from football and even though it was not the hardest hit in the world and I didn’t get knocked, I still missed 1.5 months which sucked so much especially when I never had an idea when I would be good.
I feel really bad 😢 for athletes that have to go through this kind of thing in game. Bumps bruises torn ligaments and broken bones are part of sport but this kind of nonsense is truly horrible. These are human beings that have lives to return families that rely on them they feel pain they experience the same human things we do for this to happen this way is messed up. So sorry for him this should never ever occur again. Forget bush league forget cheap shot that guy if he hits him wrong in the head the neck the dude could straight up die out there absolutely pathetic
He would be Targeted by my team the Very Next time we played in Every Single Team I have ever played for. I teach self defense now, so he can catch these hands legs and hip throws on concrete now if he wanted. I have Zero empathy for cowards like this! Killian, Lol, just the name makes one want to help him live up to it for being Trash trying to injure Mo
Because Wagner cheap shot the other guy first. I can’t believe how many people choose to forget what he did that caused the other guy to react the way he did.
@@jodgo26metal … for one thing most people don’t even know how dangerous hits to the back of the head are. Besides that, in a real fight where 2 guys don’t like each other, the mission is not to care for your opponent. Your question is a terrible one, you could have just used common sense to answer your own question.
Sucker or rabbit punch I have encountered once in my life this is like a flashback in my head passing me out and I was still breathing as a teenager that person who did that to me did not have a good life rest in peace from O.D. a few years later.
Three of my four concussions were hits to the back of my head, and let me tell you they are very, very serious. my last one was a seriously close call as I hit that bump on the back of the head with the full force of my body weight onto the edge of a solid wood chair (a woman moved my chair to go to the bathroom), so when I went to sit, chair wasn't where my butt was, but rather the back of my head. It was a delayed concussion and I remember about 5-10 minutes after, then being completely lifeless but hearing myself throwing up and my sister and her boyfriend carrying my limp body. I'm very lucky and thankful to still be alive after that last one.
I noticed the same thing…it seemed like he was somewhat limp from the whiplash after Diallo pushed him in the back. Which makes the cheap shot punch even worse
Nice vid. Now I gotta see one on a sneak push from the side unexpectedly and what that can do to the body.....becuz the Piston player did catch that shove out the blue. Thats why they dont allow that in the Nfl how Mac Jones sneaks from the side or behind still hitting someone. Nice vid Bro. I wanna holla atcha on some of my epilepsy events these past 6 years of having em.
I'm curious if you saw some of the other angles of this incident. It seemed like his eyes were closed and his head was wobbly before the blow was struck.
They were. He was out before he got punched. The punch was more of a forearm push. The first push he either got whiplash or got rocked when his head went into the bench players chest
Probably just a reaction to being pushed. It happens fast. That wobbly and eyes closed was like 0.1 seconds long and was probably just a reaction to the push in the back.
I saw that Hayes was suspended for 3 games after this brawl. He should've been done for the season in my opinion. It reminds me of the Bertuzzi-Moore incident in the NHL back in 2004.
I spent this last semester learning and looking at case studies with spinal cord and brain stem issues, so it was really interesting to see something like this in real life. Great video!
The real damage was from all 275 lbs of Bertuzzi in full gear landing on Moore’s neck when he fell down on Moore. His forearm came right down on Moore’s neck, just like doc talked about in this video.
Hello Mr. Brian Sutterer MD, could you please make a video about Anthony Davis Injury about navicular bone at this foot? When you're explaining it gives me more clarity thank you!
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 innocence is one thing, getting hit is another, but “motor city mentality” looking pretty stupid if this is where you decide to hit someone. I’ve never hit someone when they weren’t looking, if they deserved to get hit or not.
Would there be a higher likelihood of whiplash with a blow like this? Not necessarily to the back of the head (in terms of MMA) but in this particular scenario, where the person being hit is standing?
watching that Bills Games and the first person I thought about was you waiting for that damar hamlin vid if I had to guess it looked like commotio cordis
Now, not completely sure if it’s the same thing, but the results of hits like that are essentially the reason race car drivers don’t die much anymore. Back when Dale Earnhardt died in the Daytona 500 from a basal skull fracture from a crash, NASCAR and subsequently just about all other car racing series mandated the use of the HANS (Head And Neck Safety) device, which specifically prevents the jerking of the head forward in a crash. No driver has died from a basal skull fracture while using a HANS device to my knowledge.
At least you’re being reasonable not saying what Killian did was right but once you agitate someone like that expect a reaction that is erratic and sometimes violent.
Dr. Sutterer, something that stood out to me and I was hoping you mentioned it and would love to hear your analysis. It seems to me like Wagner was already compromised before the hit. He seems dazed or sort of 'out of it's before the blow. He just seemed... odd with the way he was standing there and being held up which if true, seems to me to make him more susceptible to the hit Hayes delivered. Just a thought! Wish there was another video angle that showed his face before the blow.
it's nice to get an objective view on this Doc, I'm tired of all the people that try to paint right from wrong when their both wrong in different ways. Just hope it doesn't happen again.
Wow I just realized my concussion I had playing Rugby this year nearly ended me. I was trying to steal the ball in a counter ruck/jackal move when I was taken out by a opposition shoulder to the back of the neck. Usually the offender is red carded but the Ref was on some bullshxt that day
That always made me nervous at the ruck, wide stance, go to secure ball when someone flies in with a shoulder without binding to the ruck or even coming thru the gate. A good amateur official has to police that part of the game. I never understood why they took stamping on the hands and forearms seriously but didn’t always gaf about dangerous clean outs
I got hit in the back of the head by a teammate in hs. My coach couldn't understand how I had a concussion but my teammate didn't. She hit the front of her head and didn't get checked out. I got hit in the back, blacked out, had a headache for 2 days, and went to get diagnosed. Back of the head is dangerous af.
I'm sure you've heard about JJ Watt retiring. I wonder if his bout with AFib earlier this year had anything to do with that? (Not trying to speculate or anything; just curious)
Do the illegal back of the head punches cause damage? I'm thinking of Gilbert Burns to Wonderboy strikes. He hit him hard in the back of the head a lot of times.
in MMA you get warned I think twice before a point is deducted after that is instant DQ. Most rabbit punches in MMA occur in very close quarters so they arent hard enough to cause any kind of real damage but organizations and refs dont give fighters alot of leeway when it comes to rabbit punches, as soon as they see it they warn you.
@@e2zbasketball288 Ignore the hundreds of other "black" guys (or any human beings whatever color) in the league with different upbringings that wouldn't do this and generalize off of one who was pushed into the stands by Mo in the first place. Then barely hit with what most people would think wouldn't hurt anyone but just happened to be on the sweet spot on back of the head.
You funny!!!! I'm a Mo Wagner fan, he put Killian in danger when he could have been paralyzed and others also. I guess you don't watch hockey they do it all the time!
His head hit a Piston’s player’s chin due to the shove. That appears to be the knockout blow despite the punch being talked about. 1:08: th-cam.com/video/zbApsLbRbAg/w-d-xo.html
This video saved my 8 year olds life! He was walking through the living room, I told him to go straighten up his room before he was getting any Xbox time….he turned around and let out a passive-aggressive sigh, and started stomping away…. My first thought was “elbow right in back of the head will cure that!”, I made it out of my recliner and got one step into my sprint, and the ad ended and started playing your video 😢 Thank you for saving our family and both of my sons brain cells Dr. Sutterer
I am shocked that so many people didn't know this was a thing and were making jokes and being very light about it. I live in Australia and grew up hearing horror stories from my family and friends and on the news about people who go out, get drunk, get into an altercation and get hit in the back of the head and never go home. Fairly certain we even have laws about it, I didn't realize so many people were so ignorant about how dangerous it is.
If you missed it take a look at the original video closely right after the hit in the back of his head it looks like he actually got knocked out for a few seconds. That's crazy.
This exact type of nonsense is why I don’t see why Rob Gronkowski was given a pass on the hit to the back of the Bills player’s head some years ago (A much stronger football player at that)…That guy as well, never saw it coming. Busch League crap right here.
Wagner looked a little off after the hit from behind from Diallo, before Hayes even hit him. When he collides with the other Piston player he's standing still with his head in a weird position, and then Hayes hits the back of his head. Ugly situation. Diallo should catch a few games, Hayes should catch a LOT of games. Wagner maybe one for the push. Watch more overhead view in slower speed, and focus on Wagner's head whiplash and hit the Piston player before Hayes hits him. Edit to add: Baseline angle looking at Detroit bench. I'd say Wagner is out before Hayes hits him. Doesn't lessen or condone Hayes hit by any means.
In this slow motion video it looks a bit like that but it's just that his head went back from being pushed in the back. It looks odd because it's 0.05 seconds slowed way down so every little bobble looks like he's unconscious. If he was already unconscious from the push (seriously, a mediocre push in the back knocking a guy out, really, you think that?) he would have crumpled.
The one time I had my bell rung was from a deflection of a shot that hit the near post and then hit the back of my head. Just the deflection was enough. I kept playing because I am dumb ass . def felt my tiny brain rattle
People who think Mo is weak for getting knocked out by that are beyond me. Any hit to the head can knock you out if it hits you in the right spot, same way your leg can give out when you get hit on the perennial nerve. Hope this doesn’t leave lasting effects, great video
Beyond you? It’s actually quite easy to understand: people who think he’s weak for getting knocked out literally have no clue about anything. No clue about the human body, no clue about fighting, no clue about contact sports.
People who say this have most likely never been punched, never mind been hit in the back of the head. A punch to the back of the head, that you have no idea is coming is terrifying.
No black dude is weak for hitting a dude in the back of the head puss ass boy
@@hypocritetrollbot7729 exactly. I actually don't like Wagner but that was some coward sh*t by Hayes. No one should ever get hurt let alone knocked out and have a big risk of having a permanent injury.
He got what he deserved, imagine if cheap shot artist Greyson Allen had gotten this every time he cheap shot someone...
I love how some people were trying to play it off and act like Mo is weak for being knocked out like that. Really shows who never trained a day in their life and who never fought a day in their life as well.
He’s weak because he got knocked out by the push not the punch. He was already out before he got punched
@@2299mikey yall act like you can decide what knocks you out lmao. Could be the simplest thing, especially when you're not expecting it. It's obvious you know nothing.
@@sirewic4710 getting knocked out by a push is weak.
he's definitely not weak. much stronger than the average joe imo
@@2299mikey you literally have no physical control of how how your brain reacts when you get hit in the head. And a certain hit that knocks you out might be nothing to me and vice versa.
This is what's called a "bitch move". I hope he realizes he'll now have a target on his back for the rest of his playing days.
The little bitch should be suspended for the entire season
The target should be his face, particularly the eyes and nose, not his back ;)
that hit behind the back is not only dangerous it’s cowardice!
It is the height of cowardice. Face a man or walk off.
He should be out of the league and put in jail
Seriously his NBA career should be over for that.
Wagner should press charges, straight the fuck up.
Don’t push someone then turn your back
As someone who does boxing seeing that made me livid. Knowing the danger of a sucker punch especially to the back of the head was scary to see how his body reacted.
Same. Muay Thai ..and I even pull some of my kicks in a match if I see it going to the back of the head of my opponent.
Hayes only got a 3 game suspension.
What a coward, for some reason I knew it was gonna be a sucker punch when I heard he got knocked out
Because bias Joe Dumars of the Pistons is in charge of these infractions.
No disrespect, but as a person who has played a LOT of basketball, what MO Wagner did was not a basketball play AT ALL. It is very dangerous to redirect someone into solid objects when they are in a sprint. Luckily for Killian, he didn't impact anything at full speed or hit the wrong objects. It could've caused him to miss the season, or worst case, be career ending. I don't agree with the melee, but I understand the reaction to a very dirty play. Players know the consequences of those types of plays, so when you CHOOSE to engage in that, be ready for the response.
Doc, after learning about the story of boxer Prichard Colon, I seriously was worried for Moe's health after that hit, good to hear that appareantly wasn't the case, thank you for the knowledge you give us.👏🏻👌🏼
Are you a bot ??😭😭
@@ax7160 are you?
Tell the man stop with his CONSTANT DIRTY PLAYS. It’s only a matter of time before someone acts irresponsibly because of Wagners actions. I mean the man has A LOT of dirty plays. Same thing with Smart, Allen and a lot others. He could’ve injured Hayes with that dumb move because he lost the ball. Idk. I barely see Moes younger brother even remotely getting involved in Moes stunts. Idk though.
It was one hit🤦🤦 Prichard took multiple over a long time
I wasn’t concerned lol maybe Moe needs a concussion to finally get it
Yet again another amazing injury breakdown. This guy is no joke and is excellent at explaining things on a level that a normal person with no schooling can understand
Didn't even see it in real time but that's one of the most cowardly moves you can pull
Yes he punched him in the back but he was pushed first. It’s retaliation homie. The first push was more cowardly and got him in that situation to begin with.
@@KoolRunnings09 precisely. He fucked around and found out.
Nah, wagner is the coward one, shoved hayes to the crowd even though he could get the ball first. He's lucky neither of them are injured, though the risk of being a paraplegic might put the fear of God into him
@@KoolRunnings09 Hayes is a thug. He didn't punch him in the back, he hit him in the back of the head. Significant difference.
That was a body bump. That wasn’t a push. And Mo tried to check on him
Hit in the back with an closed fist that’s some bs
Fine his ass and put temp rest of season suspension on his contract. Dudes a clown for doing that.
He deserved it. Don’t cheap shot someone and then act like the victim.
You blind. He sucker punched him in the back of the head
@@lilbmxman66akax999thhokage nope $100 million fine and banned from basketball and all sport for life.
After that, add a criminal assault charge and jail time.
@@petert3355 relax killian was pushed into the stands and then hit mo with a mid hit that happened to wobble him. He wasn't trying to paralyze intentionally or had in mind the reprocessions of hitting someone in back of the head.
As a person who has had concussions from both front and rear impact injuries to my skull, I recovered easily from the front impacts, while the single time I was knocked unconscious by a rear impact I was unable to do anything but lay on the couch for two weeks with the worst piercing migraines I’ve ever experienced
Dude, same. Almost exactly the same. Front impact concussion in 2013, was right as rain within a few days. Took an accidental rear-impact kick to my head during MMA training in 2021, and it was about a 3-4 months recovery process, with a lingering effects.
@@ryantrudell4686 mine wasn't as bad as that, likely due to severity of injury. But yeah there's just something about rear skull impact injuries that our bodies just cannot handle as well
@@brqxton8974 if you touch the back of your head you can see there's a softer spot where your brain and top of your spine are not really very protected by bones and muscle tissue. It's scary to think how easy it is to cause damage in that area. I'm happy both of you are okay because the recovery process from those blows sounds scary too.
@@MoralesCorner it’s also incredibly dangerous because of the brain stem. It wasn’t uncommon, when rabbit punches were still legal in boxing, to see boxers brain stems get split, or even detached altogether, which would kill the boxers before they had time to be taken out of the ring
I hope your migraines have ceased?? Be okay.🙏🙏🙏🙏
A few years ago in an Australian cricket match a batter was hit in the back of the head by the ball and was dead a few hours later. That area of the body is so vulnerable and shame on anyone who strikes you with your back turned.
Sadly Hughes was technically dead within second of the blow. A relative of mine was killed by a blow to the back of the head in a school yard in the 70s which lead to Cricket balls being banned in school yards.
thanks for putting this out doc. appreciate the analysis and learned something about these types of injuries.
the good doctor seems to have made a mistake. he said stains to the ligaments and sprains to the tendons, but strain would be to the muscle, and a ligament damage would be a sprain.
Wow didn't realized how serious this was, great info and great video
Ban the degenerate from the league. Where he will only be able to work at a fast food chain because he can no longer put a ball in a hoop.
Honestly his channel has made me react the opposite way. When I saw that blow I was super worried, really glad to hear he seems to be okay.
Wow. Was looking for more videos on this. This is all I needed.
One of the reasons why hitting back of the head is not allowed in MMA or Boxing. That shit can leave you dead or even cripple for life.
Thank you for getting this video posted so quickly. Keep up the great work 👍
He broke it down too quickly. There are different angles of the event. Wagner was knocked out by bumping heads with Stewart after being pushed from behind by Diallo.
I’m primarily an MMA fan, so I’m not squeamish about violent contact in sports, even when the rules don’t allow it. However, some things are so dangerous that they transcend a skirmish; they become criminal. This stuff cannot happen.
Yeah it seems like LEO are too cowardly to actually enforce the law
Exactly what I'm saying only sport I truly care about is mma I'm a huge huge fan of it seeing this shit passes me off so much the dude deserves jail
Definitely nice to see this covered and explained. I understand the frustration after being shoulder pushed to the bench, but you should never rabbit punch someone! Hopefully these players are informed about the very serious injuries that can occur with a rabbit punch.
Both players are cowards imo. That was hella dirty by Wagner. IMO someone throwing a 6’5 215 pound dude into a fan that’s like 5’8 is just as bad.
@@Dawg476 Paralysis or a bruised leg after having a guy fall on me. I think imma take, This guys an asshole for 500 Alex.
@@Dawg476 the push Wagner did is definitely what instigated the rabbit punch, but players need to be informed about the serious danger of a punch to the back of someone's head. Wagner got the suspension/fee as well, and rightfully so. But again players need to be aware of the full outcome of a rabbit punch. More than their career can be ended. Unfortunately quite a large amount still have trouble handling impulse and emotions, especially at a young age when those hormones are still flying everywhere.
@@Billsomebody89 I agree all I’m saying is both are very bad.
Shouldn’t have turned his back after the body check
There was an incident like this about 15 years ago where I live. There was an adult softball league and after a game some guy was angry and did this to another guy - he ended up killing him with one punch. Scary stuff.
Damn what a beast.
@@trystdodge6177 watch yourself
@Sixers Fan I hit kill. You don't even get that in most video games. It's impressive, that's all.
@@trystdodge6177Nothing cool about killing someone with a sucker punch while their back is turned. What a loser
@Olvin G I didn't say it was cool, I said it was impressive. Nuclear weapons are also impressive and I don't find them cool. One punching someone to death is quite a feat.
Great video Doc! When I first saw this video I had no idea it was that severe.
how do you get these out so quickly? dudes insane
I was thinking that, too. It would be one thing to just jump on and drop this knowledge, but dude comes professional and with video and graphics in no time!
It isn't like he animated the graphic himself on the spot, it's likely just an anatomy graphic program he has installed for these videos. He just showed it and talked about info he already knows about. Probably took him 10 or 20 minutes to make and edit.
Pretty sure he has a time machine.
RDC world of the medical community
he’s rushed videos that were completely incorrect before so i’m assuming that he rushes to make the most money, seems cheesy but w/e
That's a rest of the season suspension. Way more dangerous than punching someone in the face
disagree. I highly doubt Hayes had any idea a back of the head retaliation was any more dangerous than a front of the head retaliation. Hayes absolutely should face a suspension here, not just a fine, but I doubt he knew the significance of the strike he threw when he went about it.
It still is extremely dangerous, you can't plead ignorance as an excuse.
Removed from nba for good. That thug should be breaking rocks on a railway
@@hildenbrandt21 bro is a professional athlete it's his job to know basic body risks and functions to stay at top shape and prevent injuries he definitely knew
@@evileyegaming405 not sure where I said that wasn't the fact. I just dont think a 45-50 game suspension for a first time offender is anywhere near rational.
Swizz beatz said it best.
“Don’t start nothing, it won’t be nothing”
Didn't realize the importance of that area, thanks for sharing! Guess it kind of helps explain the death of Dale Earhart in what seemed like a simple collision with the wall, it was the whiplash effect and what it caused to happen.
That's why it's illegal in combat sports
Ohhhhhhh, that makes a lot of sense
What killed Dale Earnhardt Sr was basilar skull fracture
It was not a simple collision into the wall. At those speeds, even what seem like impact the wall at “benign” angles still delivers the a tremendous amount of violent force to the car. And without today’s safety devices for drivers, Ernhardt didn’t have a chance
@@ryantrudell4686 I should have said seemed like a sliding slow speed impact with the wall, admittedly. In my years of watching racing since the 70's I've seen much harder impacts not have the same outcome. Dale was my dad's favorite driver, he would argue with anyone over Dale's way of driving that many didn't like. I have nothing but fond memories of him arguing with my aunts and uncles over who the best driver was.
Can you do a video on migraines? It was interesting to see people again questioning whether Pam Oliver was having a stroke during the Dolphins and Packers game. She's been dealing with migraines that affect her speech on camera for some years now.
I appreciate that you take the time to make these videos, thank you VERY much!
How was this put out so quickly? Love ur stuff bro❤
I personally dealt with a hit to back of my head from football and even though it was not the hardest hit in the world and I didn’t get knocked, I still missed 1.5 months which sucked so much especially when I never had an idea when I would be good.
Are you okay now?🙏🙏🙏👍
I feel really bad 😢 for athletes that have to go through this kind of thing in game. Bumps bruises torn ligaments and broken bones are part of sport but this kind of nonsense is truly horrible. These are human beings that have lives to return families that rely on them they feel pain they experience the same human things we do for this to happen this way is messed up. So sorry for him this should never ever occur again. Forget bush league forget cheap shot that guy if he hits him wrong in the head the neck the dude could straight up die out there absolutely pathetic
He would be Targeted by my team the Very Next time we played in Every Single Team I have ever played for. I teach self defense now, so he can catch these hands legs and hip throws on concrete now if he wanted. I have Zero empathy for cowards like this! Killian, Lol, just the name makes one want to help him live up to it for being Trash trying to injure Mo
This was s extreme over reaction of a comment. Its a sport
@@aking2330 Yes, and it's horrible sportsmanship.
@@aking2330 Proof you know nothing about sports.
@@aking2330 Exactly. A mere game shouldn't result in death due to a little kid's tantrum.
Brian Sutterer MD is the GOAT of sports medicine, PERIOD!
Thank you so much for this I love watching your videos and my teacher in sports med showed us your video on hamlin
Forget a year long suspension, that's assault and wildly dangerous. Fucking sue him
Sue the sh#$ out of him; its the civil way to solve this problem and will establish a deterrent for the thugs if they lose their livelihood.
Avid fight fan here and was seriously worried for Warner after that back of the head blow. Can’t believe people were making a meme out of this
Because the NBA is all about racism and anti-white racism
Because Wagner cheap shot the other guy first. I can’t believe how many people choose to forget what he did that caused the other guy to react the way he did.
@@cipherP9 then why hit on a dangerous spot?
@@jodgo26metal … for one thing most people don’t even know how dangerous hits to the back of the head are. Besides that, in a real fight where 2 guys don’t like each other, the mission is not to care for your opponent. Your question is a terrible one, you could have just used common sense to answer your own question.
Ty u Doc for that analysis. Its always interesting
I was always curious so I’m glad you cleared that up
Sucker or rabbit punch I have encountered once in my life this is like a flashback in my head passing me out and I was still breathing as a teenager that person who did that to me did not have a good life rest in peace from O.D. a few years later.
Three of my four concussions were hits to the back of my head, and let me tell you they are very, very serious. my last one was a seriously close call as I hit that bump on the back of the head with the full force of my body weight onto the edge of a solid wood chair (a woman moved my chair to go to the bathroom), so when I went to sit, chair wasn't where my butt was, but rather the back of my head. It was a delayed concussion and I remember about 5-10 minutes after, then being completely lifeless but hearing myself throwing up and my sister and her boyfriend carrying my limp body. I'm very lucky and thankful to still be alive after that last one.
Thanks for the info as always! Definitely going to have to see what caused this scuffle.
Happy holidays everyone! 🙏🏿 be safe out there, call the uber!
Bruh it's always darkskins tryna put us liteskins down. Get yo jelouse ahh outta hea. It wasn't not a serious thing. Killian jus protected himself
Amazing video as always
The size of these men taking cheap shots is absolutely devastating.
Hayes is soooo lucky. I thought the NBA was going to get him for like 12 games for that blow. Good you covered this.
Another great update. Did not really consider blows to the back of the head before and the potential damage.
love this channel
Bro was having a great season praying for him
that's franz with the great season, but prayers up for sure for moe
He was actually dazed from Diallo's push before that.
I noticed the same thing…it seemed like he was somewhat limp from the whiplash after Diallo pushed him in the back. Which makes the cheap shot punch even worse
Nice vid. Now I gotta see one on a sneak push from the side unexpectedly and what that can do to the body.....becuz the Piston player did catch that shove out the blue. Thats why they dont allow that in the Nfl how Mac Jones sneaks from the side or behind still hitting someone. Nice vid Bro. I wanna holla atcha on some of my epilepsy events these past 6 years of having em.
Thanks doc
"And, apparently, sometimes the NBA..." is the kind of sardonicism I search the internet for and keeps me going in life. 🤣🤣🤣
I'm curious if you saw some of the other angles of this incident. It seemed like his eyes were closed and his head was wobbly before the blow was struck.
I noticed that. Maybe that was from the push by Diallo.
I was noticing the same thing. Seemed woozy from the initial push in the back. Was wondering about whiplash.
They were. He was out before he got punched. The punch was more of a forearm push. The first push he either got whiplash or got rocked when his head went into the bench players chest
Probably just a reaction to being pushed. It happens fast. That wobbly and eyes closed was like 0.1 seconds long and was probably just a reaction to the push in the back.
I tried convincing people of that right after it happened and everybody thought I was nuts.
Hit was scary tonight on Bills game, would love to hear your analysis doc
I saw that Hayes was suspended for 3 games after this brawl. He should've been done for the season in my opinion. It reminds me of the Bertuzzi-Moore incident in the NHL back in 2004.
You're wrong Doc. He was out before the forearm to the head.
i’m sitting here waiting for the video on what happened to Damar Hamlin
I spent this last semester learning and looking at case studies with spinal cord and brain stem issues, so it was really interesting to see something like this in real life. Great video!
No one in the sports world has talked about the danger of what Wagner did. I'm glad someone is talking about it.
That happens 50 times each soccer match because u cant use ur arms to shove
You mean Hayes?
Not to mention that it was a 'Spineless ' move by Mr.Hayes
This incident is reminiscent of the infamous Todd Bertuzzi rabbit punch that led to paralysis.
Yes, but the punch isn't what knocked him out. Watch in slow motion. it's the push that rocks is head initially
The real damage was from all 275 lbs of Bertuzzi in full gear landing on Moore’s neck when he fell down on Moore. His forearm came right down on Moore’s neck, just like doc talked about in this video.
Hello Mr. Brian Sutterer MD, could you please make a video about Anthony Davis Injury about navicular bone at this foot? When you're explaining it gives me more clarity thank you!
Doc, is the medulla oblongata ever at risk of being damaged from a punch like this?
Wtf bruh I didn't even know this happened
Why is it always the Detroit pistons?
Motor mentality they don’t put up with bs. Moe wasn’t innocent after all he started it.
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 innocence is one thing, getting hit is another, but “motor city mentality” looking pretty stupid if this is where you decide to hit someone. I’ve never hit someone when they weren’t looking, if they deserved to get hit or not.
@@trentrandle You don’t understand defending yourself. You’re a I’ll take it and submit little boy which is fine but not respected nor relatable
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 i don’t understand defending myself but have a whole ass self defense belt and certificate?
YOU educate them Mr.know class well done . 🤓🥊
Would there be a higher likelihood of whiplash with a blow like this? Not necessarily to the back of the head (in terms of MMA) but in this particular scenario, where the person being hit is standing?
Stuff like this is why humans propensity for violence is so insane to me. I feel like very few realize how dangerous even one strike can be.
Yeah Killian has to be suspended for a while. Worse than Ron Artest because it was about as intentional as you can get.
3 games suspended. Clearly you should keep your dumb comments to your self
@@zeezydoesit7416 I could say the same thing about your comment lmao
Dr is wearing sweatpants, that shirt is not tucked in. Lol.
Great info Doc!
watching that Bills Games and the first person I thought about was you
waiting for that damar hamlin vid
if I had to guess it looked like commotio cordis
did kylian get suspended for this? i get he was pushed but cmon
Oh he will definitely. It just happened tonight
He's done
He should go to jail, that's attempted murder straight up.
@@squalltheonly you can definitely turn someone into a vegetable with such a punch
@@squalltheonly what’s your “race” listed on your ID card?
I need some context with Damar Hamlin. Was it similar to christian erikson or no?
Can you do a video about high estrogen levels in different groups of people, and the behavior associated with it? Thanks!
Now, not completely sure if it’s the same thing, but the results of hits like that are essentially the reason race car drivers don’t die much anymore. Back when Dale Earnhardt died in the Daytona 500 from a basal skull fracture from a crash, NASCAR and subsequently just about all other car racing series mandated the use of the HANS (Head And Neck Safety) device, which specifically prevents the jerking of the head forward in a crash. No driver has died from a basal skull fracture while using a HANS device to my knowledge.
Doc just gave Hayes a 30 game suspension 😔
He should get charged with assault with deadly intent!
I hate to see the dirty push into the bench that could have ended Hayes season that started all this
At least you’re being reasonable not saying what Killian did was right but once you agitate someone like that expect a reaction that is erratic and sometimes violent.
agree 100%
Dr. Sutterer, something that stood out to me and I was hoping you mentioned it and would love to hear your analysis. It seems to me like Wagner was already compromised before the hit. He seems dazed or sort of 'out of it's before the blow. He just seemed... odd with the way he was standing there and being held up which if true, seems to me to make him more susceptible to the hit Hayes delivered.
Just a thought! Wish there was another video angle that showed his face before the blow.
it's nice to get an objective view on this Doc, I'm tired of all the people that try to paint right from wrong when their both wrong in different ways. Just hope it doesn't happen again.
Wow I just realized my concussion I had playing Rugby this year nearly ended me. I was trying to steal the ball in a counter ruck/jackal move when I was taken out by a opposition shoulder to the back of the neck. Usually the offender is red carded but the Ref was on some bullshxt that day
That always made me nervous at the ruck, wide stance, go to secure ball when someone flies in with a shoulder without binding to the ruck or even coming thru the gate. A good amateur official has to police that part of the game. I never understood why they took stamping on the hands and forearms seriously but didn’t always gaf about dangerous clean outs
Killian just punched his exit ticket out the NBA and is gonna be flying to China pretty soon.
I hope so
He's half bl88k, that won't happen.
Can you make one on the Hamlin injury??? I want to know what happened
I got hit in the back of the head by a teammate in hs. My coach couldn't understand how I had a concussion but my teammate didn't. She hit the front of her head and didn't get checked out. I got hit in the back, blacked out, had a headache for 2 days, and went to get diagnosed. Back of the head is dangerous af.
Watching this as an NHL fan… did he just recreate Todd Bertuzzi???
I know your prob working on it, but we need a video for damar Hamlin
I'm sure you've heard about JJ Watt retiring. I wonder if his bout with AFib earlier this year had anything to do with that? (Not trying to speculate or anything; just curious)
Do the illegal back of the head punches cause damage? I'm thinking of Gilbert Burns to Wonderboy strikes. He hit him hard in the back of the head a lot of times.
Does it cause damage?…..IT CAN KILL!!!!
in MMA you get warned I think twice before a point is deducted after that is instant DQ. Most rabbit punches in MMA occur in very close quarters so they arent hard enough to cause any kind of real damage but organizations and refs dont give fighters alot of leeway when it comes to rabbit punches, as soon as they see it they warn you.
coward thug move
Typical blck guys
@@e2zbasketball288 what does that mean?
@@e2zbasketball288 aight e2zbasketball calm down
@@MrCreepYT you know im right
@@e2zbasketball288 Ignore the hundreds of other "black" guys (or any human beings whatever color) in the league with different upbringings that wouldn't do this and generalize off of one who was pushed into the stands by Mo in the first place. Then barely hit with what most people would think wouldn't hurt anyone but just happened to be on the sweet spot on back of the head.
I am absolutely disgusted with the NBA. They barely suspended his for 3 games. They suspended MO for 2 absolutely ridiculous!!!!
You funny!!!! I'm a Mo Wagner fan, he put Killian in danger when he could have been paralyzed and others also. I guess you don't watch hockey they do it all the time!
*steps in front of him to cut him off
He could’ve paralyzed him 🤡
What this means if you watched the game or seen the replay is: don't start sh*t bc some people don't f**k around.
His head hit a Piston’s player’s chin due to the shove. That appears to be the knockout blow despite the punch being talked about.
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This video saved my 8 year olds life!
He was walking through the living room, I told him to go straighten up his room before he was getting any Xbox time….he turned around and let out a passive-aggressive sigh, and started stomping away….
My first thought was “elbow right in back of the head will cure that!”, I made it out of my recliner and got one step into my sprint, and the ad ended and started playing your video 😢
Thank you for saving our family and both of my sons brain cells Dr. Sutterer
Huhhh I hope this is a joke
Call CPS on yourself if this is true
What the hell
Everyone refreshing the page after monday night football
I am shocked that so many people didn't know this was a thing and were making jokes and being very light about it. I live in Australia and grew up hearing horror stories from my family and friends and on the news about people who go out, get drunk, get into an altercation and get hit in the back of the head and never go home. Fairly certain we even have laws about it, I didn't realize so many people were so ignorant about how dangerous it is.
Can you do an update on the AD injury please?
If you missed it take a look at the original video closely right after the hit in the back of his head it looks like he actually got knocked out for a few seconds. That's crazy.
He was already knocked out....before the punch
This exact type of nonsense is why I don’t see why Rob Gronkowski was given a pass on the hit to the back of the Bills player’s head some years ago (A much stronger football player at that)…That guy as well, never saw it coming. Busch League crap right here.
Aren't strikes to the back of the head / neck legal in muay thai in Thailand ?
Hey Doc do you know why Moe seemed so woozy even before that hit? Like right after he got shoved into Stewart but before that hit.
Wagner looked a little off after the hit from behind from Diallo, before Hayes even hit him. When he collides with the other Piston player he's standing still with his head in a weird position, and then Hayes hits the back of his head. Ugly situation. Diallo should catch a few games, Hayes should catch a LOT of games. Wagner maybe one for the push.
Watch more overhead view in slower speed, and focus on Wagner's head whiplash and hit the Piston player before Hayes hits him.
Edit to add: Baseline angle looking at Detroit bench. I'd say Wagner is out before Hayes hits him. Doesn't lessen or condone Hayes hit by any means.
This is what I noticed too. His body language was off once he collides with the player in front of him
More I look at it, the more I'm convinced he was already out at that point.
In this slow motion video it looks a bit like that but it's just that his head went back from being pushed in the back. It looks odd because it's 0.05 seconds slowed way down so every little bobble looks like he's unconscious. If he was already unconscious from the push (seriously, a mediocre push in the back knocking a guy out, really, you think that?) he would have crumpled.
In real time you can see he's not there, it's why I went back and watched it a bunch. Hopefully the Doc can weigh in :)
Came for the violence , stayed for the education.
Love it 😂😂
I came for the comments
The one time I had my bell rung was from a deflection of a shot that hit the near post and then hit the back of my head. Just the deflection was enough. I kept playing because I am dumb ass . def felt my tiny brain rattle
i’ve been hit in the back of my head, not even at 100% and I was completely dazed and barely stayed on my feet. it’s brutal
Eye for an eye for killian hayes 😭
He's a weak coward for doing that