New to 7DTD, If you plant trees directly in the ground in the desert the trees will grow stunted but if you plant them in a farm plot the trees think they are in there natural biome and will grow to normal height.
@@Mordecai9052yes you can bury the farm plots in the dirt. You can also plant underground with a light shaft. It'll produce light up to 16 blocks if I remember correctly. You can find the limit easy enough because you can't plant in a farm plot that doesn't have sunlight.
@@CorneliusCornbread I haven't done it in a while because I just treat them as raised garden beds, by try putting them one block down. Dig out around them and replace it with the soil block. The one that changed to match the biome you are in.
@@jamestaylor9887 Yeah I made the mistake of thinking they'd sit flush like in Minecraft. They in fact do not sit flush like in Minecraft. I'll be doing the same and just not sticking them into the ground in future most likely.
For anyone wondering its a 50% chance on player planted crop harvest to get a seed back. If you want to be a farmer its a 7 point dip to be maxed out in living off the land and jts a viable strat early on. Good food has its benefits. This test was ran with 10 crop plots, but for expansion purposes i did the math when this change was first implemented and you only need 8 crop plots to always have a surplus of crops and enough seeds for replanting/expansion. I find 8 is the magic number for 1 person and even with that you end up with more crops than you. The boots are actually the largest benefit as you'll receive on average 1 extra seed when doing a 10 crop run with the quality 6 boots ultimately saving you 5 crops. That being said, I find that farming is only good and late stage games or in multiplayer environments. And a late stage solo run you cut out the requirement to search for food and if you actually use super corn to create glue, you no longer have to search for glue and the same can be said for cloth if you grow cotton. For a group game it means that your minors are less likely to starve and your people going out can just eat the food they collect without actually having to use any supply from the home base. But itll take about a week to get a good sized farm growing depending on you luck with getting crops/seeds and the books for crafting seeds.
Totally right, the randomized seed drop varies wildly on small plots, so NO25 really needed to do a hundred coin flips per crop to get a sense for the effects of perks and armor. Although I love that he did a video on farming, most players and TH-camrs don't care about it, and I've always been a farmer in my playthroughs, I love it.
I typically tech into farming on any late game playthrough. No point in buying food or hopping you find it when you can sustain off vegetable soup. Meat stew is good and so is hobo stew which is typically more sustainable. Sham chowder is also nice if you get the recipe.
I concur with the bit about farming in multiplayer. I play in a group of three and we've always had to run farming because we struggle hard for food without it.
im a fortitude player love running tank and fist builds through t4+ pois running in with every useful consumable buff i can manage to put together a lightning speed with the super crush and punching zombies in the face is so fun plus you are so damn tanky that most zombies will hit you for 1 or 2 damage if you are using fort bites which you just auto heal back it's such an underrated tree in the game even i neglected it for a while thinking it was the worst skill in the game which now goes to perception for me. Everyone loves you in multiplayer games as you basically just conjure infinite food, drink materials, bandages and glue and can do it relatively early only needing a few farming magazines to max it out. Need a chef? no problem 90% of players take strength anyway and you are supplying the most annoying ingredients for them to actually collect so they will gladly make everything. I've had games go from we have 3 people but only have 2 bacon and eggs between us to ingredients for 60 meat stews basically overnight.
The non powered draw bridges sell for 5k and their really cheap just mainly mechanical parts springs and forged iron and one more thing super cheap for lots of cash
Farming is pretty easy imho. Especially on solo when you don't need to worry about allies lol. You can find & use farm plots in a lot pois the Drogas residence, movie fanatic residence, or mausoleums just to name some pois with a lot of farm plots. Getting seeds is as easy as digging through trash bags or scavenging outdoor food stalls
Super corn sells for 7500 dukes per stack (veggies stack to 125). Which is the main reason you grow it! That's without any barter perks! So far super corn is the highest profit thing I've found since 1.0 dropped. Nothing stacks the cash like 50 farm plots of super corn! Also, if you see a bobs boars, you can often double loot the super corn as it's a T3 quest. Seriously an underrated crop just because of the vendor value.
On top of the selling price, super corn is also a good way to get brass. 1 duke=1 brass. So if you have 20k dukes, that's 20k brass. As long as you have S Corn, you have buying power (funding/bullets) Buying: Funds=trading Bullets=Survival time
Also, don't forget the Seed is a %chance to get them. The gear increases the chance of course. I've actually ran full line like that and only got like 1 seed before and other's upwards 10 seeds.
@@Ohio_Isnt_Real Farmer set. The chest+pants piece give a chance to harvest an extra crop harvest depending on its level (10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 100%). The boots give extra seed harvest chance per level (2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20%)
hmmm. I had assumed the armor 100% harvest 'bonus would apply after the living off land bonus, but apparently it doesnt apply to that bonus at all. Heck it doesnt even apply to the normal 2 crop per plant drop without any LotL. It should give an extra 2 crops per plant, but only gives 1. Total waste of resources. Good to know, I wont waste my time with the farmer armor any more.
Bob's Boars basement has sacks and sacks of corn seed and 3 pigs you can kill for meat, the whole POI has 8 or 9 pigs, plus a little extra (I won't plot spoil for new players, but vets will know what I mean). If you can handle the pigs very early game, then raiding just the cellar can resolve starvation issues. And are there also farming plots on the same POI? (I know there are trees in raised borders but can't remember if those are plots). If there are, all that seed plus plots to grow them in with the lotl level 1 perk is gonna give you a LOT of corncobs, probably enough to get you through that very early game subsistence battle. Now you just need a cooking pot so you can boil scavenged murky water... and yes, there's also a cooking pot in Bob's kitchen (I think it's there irrespective of your loot stage). Good ol Bob, he really did take care of his fellow man!
Oh man, I always forget about how great the first point in living off the land is. I might have to start choosing that as one of my first options for perks.
People didn’t like farming, so they complained it needed to be nerfed… So TFP have nerfed farming so much, it’s absolutely worthless. Now those same people are complaining that farming is worthless. Those same people want the preacher gloves and stealth armor nerfed. I swear. The 7 days fan base is full of Nancie’s who just like to complain…
Yeah it's pathetic. I used to love farming. Never complained about it but now I'm hating it. Not worth it at all. Does not feel like farming at all but instead some annoying loot-to-grind system.
thats why im hoping for custom content or mods that become available for all platforms. That way people can tweak those things how they want with mods.
I actually find farming useful.... I just made a bunch of plots and plant all the seeds I find..... making seeds is not worth it but you find so many seeds now that it you don't need to make more
And like, farming *should* be relatively overpowered once skill is invested in it. It's a survival game in a zombie apocalypse. Maybe if they expanded the farming mechanics instead of tweaking drops and loot tables. Like zomboid does. Farming is a viable and important job post collapse
If you face towards the intended starting point, there is a gate on the right side that is locked and within that area there are a couple of military type tents, it is in one of those. If you're willing to cheese it, you can break through the gate and then go loot it, but beware there's usually a couple of dogs and a bunch of soldier zombies.
If you look for the red and gold flowers out in the wild they can make mineral water. If you look out for mushrooms and potatoes you can make steak and potatoes for better food and water.
Anyone else remember when you had to get poop to make your farm? Whenever we went raiding POIs, I remember yelling at my friends whenever I found out they left poop in the toilet again. I’m really glad they removed that from the game. 🤣
Yeah. In other words, if you want to increase your farm JUST by crafting seeds, you'll need some combination of points in lotl and decent leveled farmer outfit/boots. There are lots of seeds to be found looting, however.
Yeah almost ever single survival game on the market now lets you be fully self sufficient with farming because it makes sense and honestly just feels rewarding. I don't know why the devs on 7DtD are so determined to not allow it. Farming has just always felt shitty and they need to fix it.
@brianburke808 exactly.. like he shows at the end of this video with just max lotl you get shot 63 crops and 4-8 seed on average for 10 plots at most you'd need 6 seed or 30 crops so you end up with over 30 to use per harvest.. with a good seed yield you might end up with 50 usable. The farming outfit is sadly 100% based on the base rate so an additional 1 or 2 per harvest.. it'd be better if it was cumulative. Either way, at level 3 living off the land you get 6 or better per harvest which is a seed +1 additional crop even without the seeds harvested. It's not as hard as it seems to have a good garden as long as you max living off the land. It's not necessary to garden and many guys I know don't... but it makes food a non issue and if you play darkness falls (if you're on pc) good food means better health and stamina
I actually find it a bit easier to just buy seeds and food off of traders and save those points spent on LoL and spend them on trader perk buffs. Later game stages offer more food at rekt and in loot piles and I find vending machines have all the buff items I need so there is not much use in crafting that stuff anyway.
Excellent advice/suggestions. My one question is 'where is Johnnytown on the base Navezgane map?' I think it's still in the desert, and I think it's WAY off to the east, but I'm not sure. Any ideas?
25, living off the land is necessary when you first start out, and the mining perks also help when collecting the initial resources, it really makes starting out much easier.
Nice job on the video! It does illustrate how badly TFP nerfed farming to the point of being worthless. I used to farm prior to nerfing, now I don’t bother.
It looked to me like he proved it was viable. Maybe you are using the word nerfed in a different manner than I am used to. Are you saying that the investment is too heavy to get the rewards at hand?
@@pop9095 It is still viable. They nerfed farming for when you have fewer perk points invested, but when you have a couple it's good. Especially now with the armor it is by no means worthless and in coop play is still a necessity in my experience as we don't find enough food when looting
TFP did their normal "people are enjoying this feature...lets ruin it" with farming. Instead of making it a fun and rewarding aspect to the game that gives you obvious benefits, nope they once again made it tedius to the point where most don't even bother with it.
What’s wrong with them? They’re are making the game less fun each update the game just needed better graphics and more stuff not better graphics and ruin everything
@@peterpalmer2429 it honestly feels like they never had a fleshed out idea of what they wanted to make. And every step they would make it more tedious and take away things that would make it more enjoyable long term. The farming is just a single example. It shouldn't be a slim chance to get a seed, let alone 5 of a crop to "make" a seed. It's almost like they don't know how plants grow. An ear of corn is hundreds of seeds. By all means make the setup more complicated, but don't make it outright stupid. Give people a decent reason to want to use the mechanic, don't make it annoying and pointless.
As with all testing though. The base line of ten crops is fine. But until you start testing on hundred, thousand, etc that's when you'll be able to see the difference in skills and armor really take effect
Great showcase! As a new player i was wondering though, which plants are worth and aren't worth going for and for which reasons? For example, is it worth to plant and harvest corn for food benefits and/or crafting benefits, or is it not worth it? I'd love it if someone would provide me with guidance on that.
Hunt animals for meat and farm Chrysanthemums early for Grilled Meat and Red Tea (Food 6). Crafting seeds for Corn will require Seeds 18 despite how much it's used in crafting recipes. You can then farm Yucca for Yucca Juice (Food/Seeds 8) and Blueberries for the Yucca Juice Smoothie (Food 27, Seeds 12). Remember to grab a few stacks of snow from the first layer of the Winter biome so you never have to go again. Once you get Seeds 20 you don't need to worry about seed recipes, just the Food Crafting level and harvest gain. Farm Mushrooms and Potatoes for the Steak and Potatoes Meal. Live off Steak and Potatoes until you can reliably craft Hobo Stew, where you will be farming Corn, Potatoes, Yucca, and Blueberries for the food and drinks. Until you get the ability to craft Shepard's Pie at 70, Spaghetti at 90, and Gumbo Stew at 100, that's everything you'll be living off of for the rest of the game. You won't need the high level foods until level 100 anyway. Enjoy selling the excess crops, because you're gonna need the brass. The crops you won't need entirely are Cotton, Goldenrod, Pumpkin, Coffee, and Hops - unless you're a Miner you'll need Coffee, and Hops if you're a fists only build. Because a lot of the good foods require meat, you might need the animal hunting perk in the Perception tree to keep up on meat. If you're feeling brave, go to the Wasteland or Winter biomes to farm meat. Zombie Dogs and Vultures will give rotten flesh for your Hobo Stew and crop plots. You can also harvest Rotten Flesh off the corpses in POIs or randomly generated on the ground. You can't harvest zombie for flesh, I tried. A majority of the foods can be outright skipped if you know what you're doing. Farm enough of one thing to live forever, and you never have to farm another day in your life. Take the Master Chef and LOTL perks for increased magazine chances. Higher level, better chance of getting that book. You won't get more books overall, just the ones you want.
Did you happen to mention how long it takes for a plant to fully mature and if there's a difference between plants And how long it takes for them to mature?
Good question. From my testing it seems to take 24 in game hours per growth cycle (so 48 hours total I guess!) - so you plant it at 1pm on day 1. Day 2 at 1pm it reaches growing stage. Day 3 at 1pm it matures and is ready for harvest.
Nicely done, thank you. Fwiw I never bother making farm plots or planting crops until I've got my 3 points in "Living off the Land", it's just not worth it until then. When they added the farmer armor I was at first afraid they had maybe also nerfed the yields without the armor so that you had to have the armor to make farming profitable. It's already hard enough to get to hobo stew. You have to find the cooking magazines to unlock the stew, you have to find the farming magazines to unlock corn/potato seed crafting, and you have to get your 3 points into living off the land to make harvesting worth while. Last thing we would need is yet another requirement to have mid-tier farmer armor ;) Can't say I'm to happy about the specialty armors. It's just like a Bethesda game where you have to haul around a bunch of wigs, glasses, necklaces, coveralls, etc. to get all the perk bufs for the different scenarios. Too much fuss for me. More power to the folk that like that level of min/max optimization.
Youd think gaining more seeds than crops would be more beneficial id have thought? That way you plant more at a time and everything gradually increases
Yeah the (No)Fun Pimps have done farming dirty. The low seed return just makes it absolutely depressing. Sure it's viable once you're fully specced out. But it's not *fun* at all. I wish the farming armor set bonus affected seed chances. Having it give you a little bump to food and drink is a weird choice. I get it, because Fortitude is the Health skill tree, and food efficiency is in there. So it makes sense if you squint at it. But like. That's not what would make the game fun, guys T-T *sigh*
The fun pimp mathematical logic is Insane... The outfit should give you 100% more crops, how I translate that is if you have maxed points in living off the land and you collect around 60 crops, with this armor on you should get 120 crops... Why you have only 75- ish ...
What you're left with after harvesting and replanting: LotL 0 = -0.5 crops/plot LotL 1 = 1.5 crops/plot LotL 2 = 2 crops/plot LotL 3 = 4 crops/plot Q1 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.2 crops/plot Q2 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.4 crops/plot Q3 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.6 crops/plot Q4 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.8 crops/plot Q5 Farmer outfit+boots = +1 crops/plot Q6 Farmer outfit+boots = +2 crops/plot For example you have LotL Lv.1 and no gear, you go and plant 10 seeds and 2 days later you harvest and replant them and ON AVERAGE you are left with 15 crops from that. In the same example, having max skill and max gear, you would be left with 60 crops per harvest ON AVERAGE.
For me it seems the number of plots dictates the amount of seeds you get back; donno how the game is supposed to know that, but it seemingly does. Because of that I've been planting 20 of the crops I need. It definitely becomes viable at that number. Albeit sometimes it's hard to get that many seeds to start! I dig one block below the ground so the crops seem to be in the ground lol
The zombies are easy in the first 2 weeks in game, i find myself always getting hungry and having to scavenge for food way more than I'd like to. I also miss that you dont get your jars back when drinking water like long ago. They made the food and water bar more scary and fragile than my health bar. Plus you eat the wrong food and dysentery makes it even harder. Easier to just unalive myself for xp and save the time from scavenging.
Definitely need living off the land 2 to be productive, living off the land 3 to be really effective. Tier 5 farmer armor would be good, but not worth the legendary parts for tier 6
Farming isnt really worth it early game to me just go for Bacon and eggs asap as Meat and eggs is pretty easy to get. Air drops will give some free farm plots for you at some point. Especially if daily drops. Maybe stack farming supplies and some canned foods or so until you are ready for a base you know you will always use. (DESERT) and then you can also start cooking really good food by then
There isn't really a need for a hunting guide. You see an animal you kill it. Rabbits and snakes give 10 meat, deer & coyotes give 25, pigs give 30 if I remember correctly, and bears give 50 (might be off). There is a perk that increases the harvest amount, but it's rarely if ever used. Just isn't necessarily
Technically I think for moving large bodies of water about if you want to make a swimming pool or lake for a build you're doing. What I use buckets of water for is to make a 1 block water source in my base that I can drink infinitely out of with my water purifier mod installed in my helmet and never have to worry about water again
Uh, am I wrong to look at this and think it's not very good? It's not broken but it seems like something that most people won't be able to do? By the time you get to this point, you probably have a hunting system in place or something. Farming should probably be buffed. Maybe make crops cheaper for selling but grow more? Or 1-1 seed harvest. Realistically the number of seeds needs to outnumber the number of fruit though.
8:30 I understand your reasoning. For me it's like a quality of life decision, I save the inventory space for things more valuable than ol' lumpy bones :D Also it's very satisfying to have a steelbox, full to the brim , that says: SUPACOAN! Great video!
Can someone assist me real quick. I’m trying ti make a tree farm for wood, but don’t know when the trees are fully grown. Some look like they are partially grown and others look decent but I want the big trees to get max wood. I’m new to the game so I have 0 experience with any other alpha. Do the trees keep getting bigger the longer I grow them or no? Some trees I’ve seen have like 1600 health and give loads of wood.
@@Mohawk_Productionsthat’s EXACTLY why I’ve been playing it for 5 years and never get tired of it… it’s the perfect game for relaxing and listening to my podcasts and vlogs.
Yes, but you need a light shaft. It'll provide light up to about 16 blocks last I did it. You also need a minimum of 3 blocks above the farm plot for corn
@@Webbwulf not without mods. I'd use bars or the 4-way pole. And the wrap blocks around it. For single player/co op it'll be fine and as long as you are fairly deep you shouldn't have issues with zombies. In multiplayer you can do a soil block to cover the top blocks and it'll blend into the environment. You just can't cover the grates or bars.
Lets not forget 7d2d wascon console before but tell tale games went bankrupt and tied up the rights to console distribution for a long time. The fun pimps fought until they got em back. The gun pimps ate the best devs out there as far as being gamer friendly.
The armour does not seem worth while to a maxed out living off the land, at least to the point of crafting the full set. However something I think needs to be looked at is how does a max level set of armour do with 0,1 and 2 levels of living off the land. Funpinps do suffer from balancing things, but this is so bad I can't help but wonder if it's designed for people to be able to get into farming without much investment skill wise. I mean with the new stuff you can get living off the land lvl 2 with only 3 points spent. 2 points on living off the land, 1 point on fortitude and the use of a fortitude mod. I could see it being the case with the armour you can be certain to be self sustaining without needing to go fully into it which was a complaint I've heard with earlier versions.
I was also curious about this. If you take the farming gear, throw a fortitude mod into the hat, and save yourself a few skill points that you don't have to dump directly into fortitude, but still level up living off the land to 2, does it make a difference? Would that make farming viable for someone NOT specced into Fortitude? If I'm doing an Int build, for example, could I just make myself a tier 6 set of farming gear with the aforementioned fort mod to save on spending the extra Fortitude skill points, and just put it on when I farm to activate the level two of Living Off the Land? THIS is the data I need to see, on top of the great work done in this video.
@@froststar11 I actually sat down and tested the full range of combos between no gear, farming gear 1 - 6 and Living of the Land 0 -3. I made a reddit post on it " Farming Sustainability in V1" Where I posted a spreadsheet with my results. Lv6 gear and 1 point in LotL gives you the most bang for your buck and is only truly outdone by lv 3 LotL. You will see an improvement in lv 2 but I can't say the return for investment is worth it as you will still need to invest 2 more points and have a fortitude mod.
What about level 0 living of the land and armor 1 and 6? And living of the land 1 and armor 1? (Right now I have a duo gp and level 1 lotl plus few materials for armor crafting, is it worth it?).
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Multiplayer servers everyone needs food, usually someone volunteers to take on the farming role and puts points into it, it's a lot of work for not much reward since the Farming spec does not give you much overall, what about it actually gives you something to help with your own questing like maybe a Scarecrow decoy, you place the scarecrow like a turret if you are attacked by many zombies and it acts as a decoy for 10 seconds maybe.
does it not take 5 of each item to make a seed? u said it only takes 20 potatoes to replant 10 (12:15) isnt it 50 potatoes to replant 10? or is there another perk somewhere Im missing cuz it cost me 5 to make 1 seed atm.
I harvested 6 seeds in that example, so with the 6 seeds I already had back it would only take 20 potatoes to make an addition 4 seeds so I can replant 10.
how do you even get crops to grow?? when I put seeds into a farm block all it says is " seed " for example and stays on that.. it never seems to grow??
They need to be outdoors and you literally just need to wait 2 in game days. The first 24 hours it will just say seed, but after 24 hours it goes to growing, and then after another 24 hours in game it goes to being harvestable.
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New to 7DTD, If you plant trees directly in the ground in the desert the trees will grow stunted but if you plant them in a farm plot the trees think they are in there natural biome and will grow to normal height.
the double drop from living off the land doubles your xp gain too, its super worth getting early, pays for itself.
I miss Farming on the ground, i don't like the farm boxes.
can you dig a hole before planting farming blocks?
@@Mordecai9052yes you can bury the farm plots in the dirt. You can also plant underground with a light shaft. It'll produce light up to 16 blocks if I remember correctly. You can find the limit easy enough because you can't plant in a farm plot that doesn't have sunlight.
@@jamestaylor9887you can... But the blocks don't sit flush with the terrain, so it looks really fugly
@@CorneliusCornbread I haven't done it in a while because I just treat them as raised garden beds, by try putting them one block down. Dig out around them and replace it with the soil block. The one that changed to match the biome you are in.
@@jamestaylor9887 Yeah I made the mistake of thinking they'd sit flush like in Minecraft.
They in fact do not sit flush like in Minecraft.
I'll be doing the same and just not sticking them into the ground in future most likely.
As a zombie, I love survivors who are well fed. Yum!
For anyone wondering its a 50% chance on player planted crop harvest to get a seed back. If you want to be a farmer its a 7 point dip to be maxed out in living off the land and jts a viable strat early on. Good food has its benefits. This test was ran with 10 crop plots, but for expansion purposes i did the math when this change was first implemented and you only need 8 crop plots to always have a surplus of crops and enough seeds for replanting/expansion. I find 8 is the magic number for 1 person and even with that you end up with more crops than you. The boots are actually the largest benefit as you'll receive on average 1 extra seed when doing a 10 crop run with the quality 6 boots ultimately saving you 5 crops.
That being said, I find that farming is only good and late stage games or in multiplayer environments. And a late stage solo run you cut out the requirement to search for food and if you actually use super corn to create glue, you no longer have to search for glue and the same can be said for cloth if you grow cotton. For a group game it means that your minors are less likely to starve and your people going out can just eat the food they collect without actually having to use any supply from the home base. But itll take about a week to get a good sized farm growing depending on you luck with getting crops/seeds and the books for crafting seeds.
Totally right, the randomized seed drop varies wildly on small plots, so NO25 really needed to do a hundred coin flips per crop to get a sense for the effects of perks and armor. Although I love that he did a video on farming, most players and TH-camrs don't care about it, and I've always been a farmer in my playthroughs, I love it.
I typically tech into farming on any late game playthrough. No point in buying food or hopping you find it when you can sustain off vegetable soup. Meat stew is good and so is hobo stew which is typically more sustainable. Sham chowder is also nice if you get the recipe.
I concur with the bit about farming in multiplayer. I play in a group of three and we've always had to run farming because we struggle hard for food without it.
im a fortitude player love running tank and fist builds through t4+ pois running in with every useful consumable buff i can manage to put together a lightning speed with the super crush and punching zombies in the face is so fun plus you are so damn tanky that most zombies will hit you for 1 or 2 damage if you are using fort bites which you just auto heal back it's such an underrated tree in the game even i neglected it for a while thinking it was the worst skill in the game which now goes to perception for me. Everyone loves you in multiplayer games as you basically just conjure infinite food, drink materials, bandages and glue and can do it relatively early only needing a few farming magazines to max it out. Need a chef? no problem 90% of players take strength anyway and you are supplying the most annoying ingredients for them to actually collect so they will gladly make everything. I've had games go from we have 3 people but only have 2 bacon and eggs between us to ingredients for 60 meat stews basically overnight.
I feed myself well farming being a solo.
The non powered draw bridges sell for 5k and their really cheap just mainly mechanical parts springs and forged iron and one more thing super cheap for lots of cash
Thanks for the info!
Farming is pretty easy imho. Especially on solo when you don't need to worry about allies lol.
You can find & use farm plots in a lot pois the Drogas residence, movie fanatic residence, or mausoleums just to name some pois with a lot of farm plots.
Getting seeds is as easy as digging through trash bags or scavenging outdoor food stalls
I love this thorough run through of farming. Thank you so much for covering this - it was packed with information.
Fantastic guide! I've been using the bone knife tip for ages too!
Nice! Did you learn it from Ellenoria too or were you already using it?
@@The-Two-Five I leaned from you after Ellenoria taught you
Super corn sells for 7500 dukes per stack (veggies stack to 125). Which is the main reason you grow it!
That's without any barter perks! So far super corn is the highest profit thing I've found since 1.0 dropped. Nothing stacks the cash like 50 farm plots of super corn!
Also, if you see a bobs boars, you can often double loot the super corn as it's a T3 quest. Seriously an underrated crop just because of the vendor value.
Came here to say this. Super corn is the path to riches. Kinda like buying Apple stock in the 90's.
Thxs! I was planning to try this since I just found the super corn.
On top of the selling price, super corn is also a good way to get brass. 1 duke=1 brass. So if you have 20k dukes, that's 20k brass. As long as you have S Corn, you have buying power (funding/bullets)
Buying: Funds=trading
Bullets=Survival time
Now to find super corn itself 😢
@@Sefier85 Bob's boars or checkpoint 3. Both have seeds and the recipe.
Also, don't forget the Seed is a %chance to get them. The gear increases the chance of course. I've actually ran full line like that and only got like 1 seed before and other's upwards 10 seeds.
yeah the % chance to drop seeds is a huge factor for farming. You want larger plot size if you want the most consistency in output.
what gear gives you better seed yields?
@@Ohio_Isnt_Real Farmer set. The chest+pants piece give a chance to harvest an extra crop harvest depending on its level (10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 100%). The boots give extra seed harvest chance per level (2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 20%)
@@Ohio_Isnt_Realthe farmer armor, the one in the video
hmmm. I had assumed the armor 100% harvest
'bonus would apply after the living off land bonus, but apparently it doesnt apply to that bonus at all.
Heck it doesnt even apply to the normal 2 crop per plant drop without any LotL.
It should give an extra 2 crops per plant, but only gives 1.
Total waste of resources.
Good to know, I wont waste my time with the farmer armor any more.
Bob's Boars basement has sacks and sacks of corn seed and 3 pigs you can kill for meat, the whole POI has 8 or 9 pigs, plus a little extra (I won't plot spoil for new players, but vets will know what I mean). If you can handle the pigs very early game, then raiding just the cellar can resolve starvation issues. And are there also farming plots on the same POI? (I know there are trees in raised borders but can't remember if those are plots). If there are, all that seed plus plots to grow them in with the lotl level 1 perk is gonna give you a LOT of corncobs, probably enough to get you through that very early game subsistence battle. Now you just need a cooking pot so you can boil scavenged murky water... and yes, there's also a cooking pot in Bob's kitchen (I think it's there irrespective of your loot stage). Good ol Bob, he really did take care of his fellow man!
Oh man, I always forget about how great the first point in living off the land is. I might have to start choosing that as one of my first options for perks.
Johnnytown is my favorite POI during the betas, it has a elevator shaft I've ended up using as a drop trap.
I came here for an answer, and i got it. Thank you sir
People didn’t like farming, so they complained it needed to be nerfed… So TFP have nerfed farming so much, it’s absolutely worthless. Now those same people are complaining that farming is worthless. Those same people want the preacher gloves and stealth armor nerfed. I swear. The 7 days fan base is full of Nancie’s who just like to complain…
Yeah it's pathetic. I used to love farming. Never complained about it but now I'm hating it. Not worth it at all.
Does not feel like farming at all but instead some annoying loot-to-grind system.
thats why im hoping for custom content or mods that become available for all platforms. That way people can tweak those things how they want with mods.
I actually find farming useful.... I just made a bunch of plots and plant all the seeds I find..... making seeds is not worth it but you find so many seeds now that it you don't need to make more
And like, farming *should* be relatively overpowered once skill is invested in it. It's a survival game in a zombie apocalypse. Maybe if they expanded the farming mechanics instead of tweaking drops and loot tables. Like zomboid does.
Farming is a viable and important job post collapse
I just loot all my veggies, fck farming
I remember playing years ago and knowing how to farm. Had to come back to a tutorial video years later to remind myself.. Thank you!
NDC Checkpoint 3 also has a super corn stash
Nice one, thanks for the info :)
Thank you so much.
That's pretty cool, where is the stash? i've yet to find that
If you face towards the intended starting point, there is a gate on the right side that is locked and within that area there are a couple of military type tents, it is in one of those. If you're willing to cheese it, you can break through the gate and then go loot it, but beware there's usually a couple of dogs and a bunch of soldier zombies.
@@malicioussw7654 went for it, nothing
Thank you for doing this! I was going to test farming myself but you nailed it!
Dire wolf also drop super corn seeds. You can find alot of them in the burnt forest if your game stage is around 100
Cheers!
If you look for the red and gold flowers out in the wild they can make mineral water. If you look out for mushrooms and potatoes you can make steak and potatoes for better food and water.
Have you found a good place to harvest mushrooms
@@brianengebretson3840 Judy’s farm it has mushrooms being grown in the basement
Anyone else remember when you had to get poop to make your farm? Whenever we went raiding POIs, I remember yelling at my friends whenever I found out they left poop in the toilet again. I’m really glad they removed that from the game. 🤣
It takes 5 crops to make 1 seed to get 2 crops? Seriously?
Depends on how far you are in the skill tree. If you upgrade it it takes less to craft, and you get more from harvesting
Yeah. In other words, if you want to increase your farm JUST by crafting seeds, you'll need some combination of points in lotl and decent leveled farmer outfit/boots. There are lots of seeds to be found looting, however.
Yeah almost ever single survival game on the market now lets you be fully self sufficient with farming because it makes sense and honestly just feels rewarding. I don't know why the devs on 7DtD are so determined to not allow it. Farming has just always felt shitty and they need to fix it.
@brianburke808 exactly.. like he shows at the end of this video with just max lotl you get shot 63 crops and 4-8 seed on average for 10 plots at most you'd need 6 seed or 30 crops so you end up with over 30 to use per harvest.. with a good seed yield you might end up with 50 usable.
The farming outfit is sadly 100% based on the base rate so an additional 1 or 2 per harvest.. it'd be better if it was cumulative.
Either way, at level 3 living off the land you get 6 or better per harvest which is a seed +1 additional crop even without the seeds harvested. It's not as hard as it seems to have a good garden as long as you max living off the land. It's not necessary to garden and many guys I know don't... but it makes food a non issue and if you play darkness falls (if you're on pc) good food means better health and stamina
The pimps broke farming few alphas ago. it make no sense having a farm any longer. save 7 skillpoints, just put 1 into animal tracker.
I actually find it a bit easier to just buy seeds and food off of traders and save those points spent on LoL and spend them on trader perk buffs. Later game stages offer more food at rekt and in loot piles and I find vending machines have all the buff items I need so there is not much use in crafting that stuff anyway.
Excellent advice/suggestions. My one question is 'where is Johnnytown on the base Navezgane map?' I think it's still in the desert, and I think it's WAY off to the east, but I'm not sure. Any ideas?
I have no idea sorry!
25, living off the land is necessary when you first start out, and the mining perks also help when collecting the initial resources, it really makes starting out much easier.
Nice job on the video! It does illustrate how badly TFP nerfed farming to the point of being worthless. I used to farm prior to nerfing, now I don’t bother.
It looked to me like he proved it was viable. Maybe you are using the word nerfed in a different manner than I am used to. Are you saying that the investment is too heavy to get the rewards at hand?
@@pop9095yes, exactly a waste of time and skill points.
@@pop9095 It is still viable. They nerfed farming for when you have fewer perk points invested, but when you have a couple it's good. Especially now with the armor it is by no means worthless and in coop play is still a necessity in my experience as we don't find enough food when looting
@@pop9095 The RoI of turning crop into seeds isn't worth it until you get living of the land tier 3.
Mate, that’s very impressive data & very thorough
Exactly what I needed to see! I was wondering at what stage you got replenishment levels of crops.
TFP did their normal "people are enjoying this feature...lets ruin it" with farming. Instead of making it a fun and rewarding aspect to the game that gives you obvious benefits, nope they once again made it tedius to the point where most don't even bother with it.
It's OP in multiplayer where you actually divide responsibilities. My friend is in charge of farming and we pull down a loooooot of food for cookin
What’s wrong with them? They’re are making the game less fun each update the game just needed better graphics and more stuff not better graphics and ruin everything
@@peterpalmer2429 it honestly feels like they never had a fleshed out idea of what they wanted to make. And every step they would make it more tedious and take away things that would make it more enjoyable long term.
The farming is just a single example. It shouldn't be a slim chance to get a seed, let alone 5 of a crop to "make" a seed. It's almost like they don't know how plants grow. An ear of corn is hundreds of seeds. By all means make the setup more complicated, but don't make it outright stupid. Give people a decent reason to want to use the mechanic, don't make it annoying and pointless.
lmao farming is op af. i got a super corn farm. 125 super corn is like 7k dukes.
Looting pois is unnecessary. Quests are all you need.
As with all testing though. The base line of ten crops is fine. But until you start testing on hundred, thousand, etc that's when you'll be able to see the difference in skills and armor really take effect
They should tweak the amount of crops it takes to make seeds. Great video! 👽
Great showcase! As a new player i was wondering though, which plants are worth and aren't worth going for and for which reasons? For example, is it worth to plant and harvest corn for food benefits and/or crafting benefits, or is it not worth it? I'd love it if someone would provide me with guidance on that.
Hunt animals for meat and farm Chrysanthemums early for Grilled Meat and Red Tea (Food 6). Crafting seeds for Corn will require Seeds 18 despite how much it's used in crafting recipes.
You can then farm Yucca for Yucca Juice (Food/Seeds 8) and Blueberries for the Yucca Juice Smoothie (Food 27, Seeds 12). Remember to grab a few stacks of snow from the first layer of the Winter biome so you never have to go again.
Once you get Seeds 20 you don't need to worry about seed recipes, just the Food Crafting level and harvest gain.
Farm Mushrooms and Potatoes for the Steak and Potatoes Meal.
Live off Steak and Potatoes until you can reliably craft Hobo Stew, where you will be farming Corn, Potatoes, Yucca, and Blueberries for the food and drinks.
Until you get the ability to craft Shepard's Pie at 70, Spaghetti at 90, and Gumbo Stew at 100, that's everything you'll be living off of for the rest of the game.
You won't need the high level foods until level 100 anyway. Enjoy selling the excess crops, because you're gonna need the brass.
The crops you won't need entirely are Cotton, Goldenrod, Pumpkin, Coffee, and Hops - unless you're a Miner you'll need Coffee, and Hops if you're a fists only build.
Because a lot of the good foods require meat, you might need the animal hunting perk in the Perception tree to keep up on meat. If you're feeling brave, go to the Wasteland or Winter biomes to farm meat. Zombie Dogs and Vultures will give rotten flesh for your Hobo Stew and crop plots. You can also harvest Rotten Flesh off the corpses in POIs or randomly generated on the ground. You can't harvest zombie for flesh, I tried.
A majority of the foods can be outright skipped if you know what you're doing. Farm enough of one thing to live forever, and you never have to farm another day in your life. Take the Master Chef and LOTL perks for increased magazine chances. Higher level, better chance of getting that book. You won't get more books overall, just the ones you want.
Did you happen to mention how long it takes for a plant to fully mature and if there's a difference between plants And how long it takes for them to mature?
Good question. From my testing it seems to take 24 in game hours per growth cycle (so 48 hours total I guess!) - so you plant it at 1pm on day 1. Day 2 at 1pm it reaches growing stage. Day 3 at 1pm it matures and is ready for harvest.
Great video man ... farming is back 😀
Thanks a lot I like how you broke everything down
Thank you for watching and leaving a positive comment! :)
Great video, although there is no word on anything else needed for plot or days for growth. Does the crop indicate ready for harvest?
Nice job! Thanks!
Nicely done, thank you. Fwiw I never bother making farm plots or planting crops until I've got my 3 points in "Living off the Land", it's just not worth it until then. When they added the farmer armor I was at first afraid they had maybe also nerfed the yields without the armor so that you had to have the armor to make farming profitable. It's already hard enough to get to hobo stew. You have to find the cooking magazines to unlock the stew, you have to find the farming magazines to unlock corn/potato seed crafting, and you have to get your 3 points into living off the land to make harvesting worth while. Last thing we would need is yet another requirement to have mid-tier farmer armor ;) Can't say I'm to happy about the specialty armors. It's just like a Bethesda game where you have to haul around a bunch of wigs, glasses, necklaces, coveralls, etc. to get all the perk bufs for the different scenarios. Too much fuss for me. More power to the folk that like that level of min/max optimization.
Supercorn gets them dukes! I'm getting about 7k a stack right now at the traders.
Youd think gaining more seeds than crops would be more beneficial id have thought? That way you plant more at a time and everything gradually increases
Yeah the (No)Fun Pimps have done farming dirty. The low seed return just makes it absolutely depressing. Sure it's viable once you're fully specced out. But it's not *fun* at all. I wish the farming armor set bonus affected seed chances. Having it give you a little bump to food and drink is a weird choice. I get it, because Fortitude is the Health skill tree, and food efficiency is in there. So it makes sense if you squint at it. But like. That's not what would make the game fun, guys T-T *sigh*
The fun pimp mathematical logic is Insane... The outfit should give you 100% more crops, how I translate that is if you have maxed points in living off the land and you collect around 60 crops, with this armor on you should get 120 crops... Why you have only 75- ish ...
Think the percentages are based on the unperked yield
This is very helpful. Thank you!
Good stuff man thank you.
What you're left with after harvesting and replanting:
LotL 0 = -0.5 crops/plot
LotL 1 = 1.5 crops/plot
LotL 2 = 2 crops/plot
LotL 3 = 4 crops/plot
Q1 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.2 crops/plot
Q2 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.4 crops/plot
Q3 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.6 crops/plot
Q4 Farmer outfit+boots = +0.8 crops/plot
Q5 Farmer outfit+boots = +1 crops/plot
Q6 Farmer outfit+boots = +2 crops/plot
For example you have LotL Lv.1 and no gear, you go and plant 10 seeds and 2 days later you harvest and replant them and ON AVERAGE you are left with 15 crops from that.
In the same example, having max skill and max gear, you would be left with 60 crops per harvest ON AVERAGE.
Well this was a pretty decent video. I might get into farming now.
Did you mention how long crops take to grow?
For me it seems the number of plots dictates the amount of seeds you get back; donno how the game is supposed to know that, but it seemingly does. Because of that I've been planting 20 of the crops I need. It definitely becomes viable at that number. Albeit sometimes it's hard to get that many seeds to start! I dig one block below the ground so the crops seem to be in the ground lol
Thanks Two5 😀 very useful vid
I enjoyed digging up fertilizer in the burn biome, couldnt they just increase the amount of fertilizer need per plot or something to pimp it down?
Is there no way to pick crops without them destroying the plant?
That was a really good video thank you
Inreally feel like seeds should be a day 3 and after harvest.
What's the name of the poi he recommends?
Johnny Town
The zombies are easy in the first 2 weeks in game, i find myself always getting hungry and having to scavenge for food way more than I'd like to. I also miss that you dont get your jars back when drinking water like long ago. They made the food and water bar more scary and fragile than my health bar. Plus you eat the wrong food and dysentery makes it even harder. Easier to just unalive myself for xp and save the time from scavenging.
Ahat does pink highlight mean when planting on farm plots? Pls n thank u
they really need to fix the seed yield
Definitely need living off the land 2 to be productive, living off the land 3 to be really effective. Tier 5 farmer armor would be good, but not worth the legendary parts for tier 6
Farming isnt really worth it early game to me just go for Bacon and eggs asap as Meat and eggs is pretty easy to get. Air drops will give some free farm plots for you at some point. Especially if daily drops. Maybe stack farming supplies and some canned foods or so until you are ready for a base you know you will always use. (DESERT) and then you can also start cooking really good food by then
I am currently farming a plot of 500 super corn
Nice guide can you do a hunting guide next plz?^_^
There isn't really a need for a hunting guide. You see an animal you kill it. Rabbits and snakes give 10 meat, deer & coyotes give 25, pigs give 30 if I remember correctly, and bears give 50 (might be off). There is a perk that increases the harvest amount, but it's rarely if ever used. Just isn't necessarily
Crops do not carry water?
iam looking for super corn recipe but i have no idea where to find it... i can't find it on trader too
whats the point of buckets of water? wasn't it for farming?
Technically I think for moving large bodies of water about if you want to make a swimming pool or lake for a build you're doing. What I use buckets of water for is to make a 1 block water source in my base that I can drink infinitely out of with my water purifier mod installed in my helmet and never have to worry about water again
thanks
Uh, am I wrong to look at this and think it's not very good? It's not broken but it seems like something that most people won't be able to do? By the time you get to this point, you probably have a hunting system in place or something. Farming should probably be buffed. Maybe make crops cheaper for selling but grow more? Or 1-1 seed harvest. Realistically the number of seeds needs to outnumber the number of fruit though.
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I understand your reasoning. For me it's like a quality of life decision, I save the inventory space for things more valuable than ol' lumpy bones :D
Also it's very satisfying to have a steelbox, full to the brim , that says: SUPACOAN!
Great video!
I am wondering how level one and no levels of living off the land but do wear teir six aromor woupd fall in the amout harvested
Is water essential or does it not matter?
Does not matter for farming in vanilla
What was the new update today?
Storage bug I think
Seems like there's a 40-50% chance to get seeds back and the only thing that boosts it is the boots.
Can someone assist me real quick. I’m trying ti make a tree farm for wood, but don’t know when the trees are fully grown. Some look like they are partially grown and others look decent but I want the big trees to get max wood. I’m new to the game so I have 0 experience with any other alpha. Do the trees keep getting bigger the longer I grow them or no? Some trees I’ve seen have like 1600 health and give loads of wood.
I think max is 1200-1600 depending on the tree
nice vid, helped me out with the decision of upgrading farmer set or not. thx! 👍
You're welcome!
The seed/crop balance is precisely the opposite of reality.
Won’t let me put the seeds in the farming plots
Question
Does the game end after a certain amount of days?
No
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Appreciate the answer
But yes. Eventually it becomes super repetitive. Scavage, farm, craft, do hoard.... repeat X100.
@@branchcore
Hmmmmm. Soo basically a good game to zone out and just explore and build and go thru a backlog of cryptonaut podcasts
@@Mohawk_Productionsthat’s EXACTLY why I’ve been playing it for 5 years and never get tired of it… it’s the perfect game for relaxing and listening to my podcasts and vlogs.
So, bottom line, max Living off the Land and don't bother crafting low tier Farmer gear.
Can anyone tell me how multiplayer works w/ PS5? Is there matchmaking, or can you only play with friends?
should have seen how much you get with the armor and not living off the land. might be just as good as living off the land
it wouldn't be.. the armor gives 100% extra or double (what you get at level 1) and level 3 is triple crop
@@shadowproductions969 o yeah smart
Any idea if you can grow crops underground?
Yes, but you need a light shaft. It'll provide light up to about 16 blocks last I did it. You also need a minimum of 3 blocks above the farm plot for corn
@jamestaylor9887 no way to use artificial light? Or do I just put 50 arrow slits above the hole?
@@Webbwulf not without mods. I'd use bars or the 4-way pole. And the wrap blocks around it. For single player/co op it'll be fine and as long as you are fairly deep you shouldn't have issues with zombies. In multiplayer you can do a soil block to cover the top blocks and it'll blend into the environment. You just can't cover the grates or bars.
@jamestaylor9887 thank you I believe I under stand use bars up the hole and cover with a block topped with dirt
@@jamestaylor9887 4 way blocks with holes can be covered?
Lets not forget 7d2d wascon console before but tell tale games went bankrupt and tied up the rights to console distribution for a long time. The fun pimps fought until they got em back. The gun pimps ate the best devs out there as far as being gamer friendly.
Farming is completely broken. You move backwards and end up with less veggies even with skill points in farming.
The armour does not seem worth while to a maxed out living off the land, at least to the point of crafting the full set.
However something I think needs to be looked at is how does a max level set of armour do with 0,1 and 2 levels of living off the land.
Funpinps do suffer from balancing things, but this is so bad I can't help but wonder if it's designed for people to be able to get into farming without much investment skill wise.
I mean with the new stuff you can get living off the land lvl 2 with only 3 points spent. 2 points on living off the land, 1 point on fortitude and the use of a fortitude mod.
I could see it being the case with the armour you can be certain to be self sustaining without needing to go fully into it which was a complaint I've heard with earlier versions.
I was also curious about this. If you take the farming gear, throw a fortitude mod into the hat, and save yourself a few skill points that you don't have to dump directly into fortitude, but still level up living off the land to 2, does it make a difference? Would that make farming viable for someone NOT specced into Fortitude? If I'm doing an Int build, for example, could I just make myself a tier 6 set of farming gear with the aforementioned fort mod to save on spending the extra Fortitude skill points, and just put it on when I farm to activate the level two of Living Off the Land? THIS is the data I need to see, on top of the great work done in this video.
@@froststar11 I actually sat down and tested the full range of combos between no gear, farming gear 1 - 6 and Living of the Land 0 -3. I made a reddit post on it " Farming Sustainability in V1" Where I posted a spreadsheet with my results. Lv6 gear and 1 point in LotL gives you the most bang for your buck and is only truly outdone by lv 3 LotL. You will see an improvement in lv 2 but I can't say the return for investment is worth it as you will still need to invest 2 more points and have a fortitude mod.
What about level 0 living of the land and armor 1 and 6? And living of the land 1 and armor 1? (Right now I have a duo gp and level 1 lotl plus few materials for armor crafting, is it worth it?).
Farming have only came to be usefull in multiplayer in solo you dont need it at all
Can anyone explain Mushrooms to me? Do they need to be in the dark?
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18+3=21...? But it only takes 20 books... maybe i cant do simple math idk.
Multiplayer servers everyone needs food, usually someone volunteers to take on the farming role and puts points into it, it's a lot of work for not much reward since the Farming spec does not give you much overall, what about it actually gives you something to help with your own questing like maybe a Scarecrow decoy, you place the scarecrow like a turret if you are attacked by many zombies and it acts as a decoy for 10 seconds maybe.
Seed return is broken and unviable no matter how much you spec into it
does it not take 5 of each item to make a seed? u said it only takes 20 potatoes to replant 10 (12:15) isnt it 50 potatoes to replant 10? or is there another perk somewhere Im missing cuz it cost me 5 to make 1 seed atm.
I harvested 6 seeds in that example, so with the 6 seeds I already had back it would only take 20 potatoes to make an addition 4 seeds so I can replant 10.
@@The-Two-Five ohhh I see it now thank you!!!
Generator guide?
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Why would they change it, it was so much better before. Now it’s garbage. This is dumb
What is the difference between Seed Loot Bonus and Seed Harvest Bonus? Sounds like the same thing to me.
One boosts the amount of seeds from loot, the other boosts the amount of seeds you get whilst harvesting your crops
Cotton farming is super useful for cloth, super corn sells well, people complaining of farming being nerfed are stupid asf
ever friendly trader? I BEG TO DISAGREE!!!
how do you even get crops to grow?? when I put seeds into a farm block all it says is " seed " for example and stays on that.. it never seems to grow??
They need to be outdoors and you literally just need to wait 2 in game days. The first 24 hours it will just say seed, but after 24 hours it goes to growing, and then after another 24 hours in game it goes to being harvestable.
The farming nurf killed the game for me
Jup farming still is not worth it. So don't spend you points in it.