The Battle Over NYC Congestion Pricing
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I've got a buddy who lives in NY- and trust me, owning a car in Manhattan is no joke. You can barely drive and use it, you must pay to park it everyday, and even if you dont use it, you must move it every week as to not get towed. It's a headache, it's a waste of space, and it actually burns a hole in your pocket.
it is pointless to have a car in manhattan. Also in most cases, the subway station is not far away. It is better just to take the train. It is faster and cheaper.
Its also like... a tragedy of the commons. every additional car on the streets means more congestion, pollution, and noise for everyone else. drivers should be required to pay for those negative externalities
Anyone who says there are no disincentives to driving in Manhattan has never driven in Manhattan. I suspect that the point of congestion pricing is to keep the riff-raff off the streets so that their "betters" can drive around more easily. Lest you think I'm just an embittered leftist, I've never in my life voted for a Democrat, but have voted for plenty of Republicans.
@@the0ne809 People dont like the subway for a reason there. Some of you need to get that other than jerking to the idea that public transportation is some holy amazing thing.
congestion pricing more targets people coming from outside of NYC. we're the ones that cant afford rent in the central bussiness district
There's an important statistic you missed: Over 90% of people who commute into lower Manhattan do so by mass transit. All the furor over congestion pricing only serves the 10% who don't.
Also, the congestion pricing toll would not be per trip, but per day, which would make it much easier to amortize into the cost of doing business for taxis, rideshares, delivery vehicles, and all the other vehicles which can be expected to make multiple trips into lower Manhattan every day.
There you go again, bringing facts into the discussion. Don't you know this is about car "drivers" (lessors and debtors, more like it) trying to rationalize their selfishness?
It's not just about commuters. In fact more to the point, it's going to be people delivering goods and services, which cannot be moved via public transport, who are affected the most. They're not gonna stop going because of congestion pricing, they'll just have to increase their prices, which get passed onto the consumer. The commuter side of this issue is frankly the least important.
@@Batmans_Pet_Goldfishit's a $9 charge per day. That's like a drop in the bucket for them. The commuter side is the biggest issue along with failing public transit
@@Batmans_Pet_Goldfish but with less other cars in the way, they'll be able to operate more efficiently and complete more jobs, earnings more income and offsetting the cost of the charges
Agreed, failed video for sure.
If you’re driving in the densest area of the densest city in the United States, then that’s a you problem tbh. You dont need a car in NYC, parking is already like 50 bucks an hour.
You couldn't pay me enough to own a car living in Lower Manhattan. Street sweeping, getting blocked for 30 minutes behind a garbage truck or a ConEd vehicle, asinine routes to get on a bridge or highway, road closures... etc. Literally cheaper AND faster to take a taxi everywhere than pay for a car + parking + gas + insurance even if I don't want to walk. Subway when there is traffic and rideshare/taxi at night is also faster. Hell literally walking is faster a lot of the time.
its not $50 an hour plenty of places are about $20 a day. dont listen to that hochul and liber non sense
Ironically parking is free in alot of Manhattan.
You will never catch me paying $20/day in parking. If you can afford that, are fine with the stupid long commute times, and paying tolls on top, that's a you problem. I can't manage spending $45+ a day AND commuting 1.5 hours one-way. Miss me with that shit
Densest* sorry to be that guy :P
I live in the downtown part of the congestion zone. I ride a bike. Usually around 430PM and later The streets leading to the Williamsburg Bridge, the Manhattan bridge and the Brooklyn bridge are packed with vehicles that drive like crazed animals with no regard for people trying to walk across or cyclists. They run red lights and act like they’re the only ones that matter. But since congestion pricing started, traffic has blissfully lifted. I am so happy congestion pricing has finally happened.
THATS BS BECAUSE I LIVE ON DELANCY AND NOTHING AT ALL HAS CHANGED!
Thank the holidays for that, not congestion pricing. Commuter traffic has been unusually light since the new year but I expect we'll be back to the usual grind by the end of the month.
How many are Commercial vehicles?
"The only solution to car traffic is viable alternatives to driving!"
Double decker roads
@@randommusic4567that’s how you go and kill off any semblance of nightlife my guy. also the roads will just fill and you’ll be right back where you started from yet even more reliant on cars
NYC is full of them
Spotted the other nerd. NJB would have a stroke watching this video.
Public transportation system, which NY has. Majority of people use that already.
Not me in Vermont thinking wow that’s more people than we have in the whole state.. only to have him say it.
it was pretty predictable 😂
"not me"
If you’re accurately predicting the narrators capacity comparisons to other states it might be time to pursue other interests, or at least follow along a little less
@@annaturgeon83 I'm from New Zealand, heard him use us over the years too 😂
who the hell would want to live in vermont?
There’s a prohibition on honking in Manhattan? Sure didn’t seem like it when I was there 😂
People actually used to obey it for a while
you can still honk if there is a legitimate reason to do so
Like everything else in this city - rules only on paper
Signs of $200.00 fines were visible in certain spots on the island, but we never paid attention to 'em. Go ahead-n-try enforcing it! Fuggedaboudit.
Similar rules have been struck down in other states, it's a free speech issue.
A solid Futurama joke was Fry saying that nobody ever drove in New York because there were too many cars.
New Yorker here: The issue is that there is no plan to make public transit better. In London, they increased service when congestion pricing was implemented, thus giving a valid reason for the new toll. In NYC, there is no plan to increase service, instead there is a plan to INCREASE THE FARE to $3. Also, the mismanagement of MTA funds makes the public perception as another "poor people tax"
Fare that most people are not paying anyways, NYC just want to get more tax money to throw it down the burning fiscal hole call "NYC public transit", congestion pricing won't fix anything in NY.
@@AidanTheNub on top of that, there are huge transit deserts in Brooklyn and queens where it makes more sense for residents to drive into manhattan. One example was given on the news recently about a lady who lives near Avenue N in south Brooklyn where the nearest train is a 15 minute drive or a 40 minute walk. Shits crazyyy
@@BernellJonesIIWow. It’s hard to imagine a 40 minute walk to transit in NYC.
I never would have guessed there was a desert that big in the city.
That's not totally true. MTA has begun to implement plans to reroute busses in Brooklyn to decongest the roads, it's done a ton of improvements on the G line this past summer, has collaborated with Parks Department and the City in various neighborhood studies/projects for street and open-space improvements, etc. Your comment on MTA mismanagement of funds is valid, but to say they aren't planning anything is disingenuous.
@@piedpiper1172 yeah, it’s insane
4:55 Mayor Ed Koch looked at banning cars completely, so we named a car bridge after him 😂😂😂
Koch
Crotch
@@DRIFTWORKSINC hahahaha
::chef’s kiss::
@@DRIFTWORKSINC mayor Ed Crotch
I think another factor is the public perception of the MTA itself. London can introduce the congestion pricing because people's perception of TfL is more positive. As compared to overall negative perception of MTA, NJ Transit, and LIRR.
Agreed, the MTA could definitely be better and more transparent with the train times but its pretty good with all things considered.
@@shanerichards3014 I disagree that it's good... the public train/subway systems in nyc are 100+ years old and it really shows.
Tokyo and even Europe are miles ahead, but nyc is unwilling to shut them down temporarily to do any overhaul on the transportation systems since they have become the lifeblood of the city.
Oh man, this guy hit the nail on the head. If there's some kind of guarantee that the MTA buses and trains will improve with the congestion pricing, I'm all in on it. But no one believes the MTA will get any better even with more money flowing in.
@@Updupthe money generated directly affects MTA. It was to pay for the capital expenditures for 2025 forward.
@@carolscott2131 It's a chicken and the egg scenario. Does the MTA suck because it's underfunded or is it underfunded because it sucks?
The MTA gets $8.5B from taxpayers, $6.9B from fares and tolls. Fares increasing to $3.00 in August. No amount of congestion pricing is going to fix the MTA as long as it allowed to remain corrupt and as long as it is allowed to mismanage its money. How much corruption has already been uncovered and is still allowed to continue to operate without a complete overhaul of its practices and policies.
You are assuming they aren’t already doing a good job on that. Do you have any source regarding that the MTA is wasting any money?
@@marioriverasit’s just obvious corporate greed
The MTA has made some internal reforms that have seen its operating expenses drop, but they have a lot of expensive upgrades that they need to make for the system to continue working.
I'd have to agree, because LIRR will be 18 bucks on peaks in August. Also congestion prices are going up. It won't stay at $9.
@@marioriveras A quick search will reveal countless news stores of MTA corruption going back decades. Even setting that aside, the org is horribly mismanaged. Last year they had to pull brand new train cars out of service for a raft of issues. Cars for which they massively overpaid.
I don't understand who in their right mind would drive in New York City, but congestion pricing doesn't address any of the issues plaguing public transit.
nj and nyc need to build more ways for trains to go between them. george washington bridge was designed to support trains. replace 2 lanes with train tracks. this will easily increase the number of people who can enter and exit nyc. have the tracks go far into nj
The portal bridge/tunnel is being built as we speak..the problem is it was supposed to be a 4 track tunnel, it's only slated as a 2 track now. When completed the current PATH tunnel is getting shut down and completely renovated. Which puts us back a square one, until the renovated PATH reopens. Instead of 6 tracks when it's completed(many years out) its now 4 when completed(many years out). The train idea ,honestly ,on the GWB sounds terrible for two reasons 1)the bridge is wildy outdated and would need to be replaced and 2) there no rail infrastructure to support it. There was enough fighting and bureaucratic nonsense for the portal project that seeing the GWB be renovated with trains is something that won't happen in my lifetime. That and trying to connect new train systems into the old ones is a huge engineering nightmare. Love the idea and the positivity, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.
@ actually the c line was specifically designed to cross the gwb. you can literally see that the c line curves towards gwb. the original plan for gwb included support for train tracks for the future lower level. but they went with roads instead
the gateway tunnel is a scam to add more congested lines. it does nothing to relieve bottlenecks and single point of failures that plagues the transit system.
the tristate can not afford to implement nice to have projects like the gateway tunnel when the system is failing regularly because of the lack of alternative routes for trains
that comment shows you know jack shit about nyc mass transit
Lmao so I guess you dont like eating food or buying products💀
@@WillScrillzTheres plenty of lanes. You should travel to other large cities if the world. The US train system is so behind. Time to stop saying "we cant"
You must have used every available stock footage of Newyork for this
I think I saw San Francisco in there…NYC has no cable cars.
@@JustherefortheLOLZ Roosevelt Island Tramway....?
@@JustherefortheLOLZ Ever seen Spider-Man? We have a cable car system for Roosevelt Island. It wasn't made up for the movie.
A gondola and a streetcar are two different things. Why are so many things called "cable cars?" Why are so many things called "gondolas?"
Thats ok, he doesnt need to go broke making this.
Part of the problem is the potential time lag between improvements to public transportation and introduction of the fees. When London introduced congestion pricing, TfL was in pretty good shape so nearly everyone affected already had a good public transport alternative to driving (many might still drive, but park at the railway station instead of central London). NYC, it might be argued, is not in such a great position, there are still gaps in high quality coverage especially outside of NYC proper. So for a few years a significant number of people will probably have to choose between spending more money or enduring a significantly longer commute, and I can sympathise with that. Though I think there might still be challenges as improvements to complete coverage will likely need to include new subway lines especially to places like New Jersey, which is notoriously expensive in that region.
I agree, this is one of the biggest counter points to the whole argument. I guess in the long-term though, it’s much better.
@@JL1 It's a bit of an unknown, based on the sluggish progress over the last couple of decades, it might take a very long time. There's also going to be some opposition from NYC residents who don't want money spent so commuters can afford to live in bigger houses in leafy NJ suburbs over spending on transport within the city itself.
In Manhattan, it's already far easier to get around by metro than by car. They're just scared suburban people who don't want to walk a flight of stairs. They should be paying to drive in the city. They should be paying a lot more.
@@Croz89 considering how much NY has been shrinking lately, I think it's slightly more of a precarious situation than you've put it. You run the risk of basically driving away the people who commute. NYC already is the fifth most expensive city to commute to in the country and this would shoot it up to number one. It could work, but it could also backfire horribly.
But then there's the aspect that if the goal is to reduce congestion, won't the funding from it be reduced if that goal is achieved? I'm sure that's part of their calculations, but those people don't disappear, they start using public transport. Wouldn't that put more strain on public transportation services? That means the billion in revenue you'd get from it wouldn't be as valuable as people make it out to be.
But that's not even the biggest problem. The biggest problem is commercial transportation of goods. They'll have to pay which will up their rates, causing the price of goods to go up. I could also see the delivery truck drivers going on strike over it.
Frankly, applying the charge to truck drivers makes zero sense. Is the goal to get them to deliver through public transport? No, obviously not. But for some reason they have to pay _more_ than a commuter.
The overwhelming majority of commuters to Manhattan already get there by transit, and all the different regional rail and bus systems serving New York already have park and rides toward the outskirts of the city that could serve the few who do currently drive. It's also almost always faster that way- the trains don't have to deal with traffic, and especially coming from New Jersey, they can actually go significantly faster than even the posted highway speed limits, never mind the speed traffic actually manages to drive. The opposition is coming entirely from wealthy suburbanites who could easily afford the tolls and just don't want to be in the same vehicles as poor people.
19:50 I don't continue to love paying for Nebula. I instead love having paid for the Lifetime subscription when it was first offered & instead never paying again.
“Southern end of the island” while showing footage of the GWB lol
0:52 Three-legged dog.
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with a ballsack
Dog balls on wendover before gta 6
Totally saw this immediately
@@DameOfDiamonds as prophesised
Just one more lane (tunnel bro).
correct. lets bulldoze some blocks to set up a highway as well. just to be sure. and make it like 5 lanes each way.
There is a tunnel. It's called the subway
@@satakrionkryptomortis*Robert Moses has entered the chat*
@@satakrionkryptomortis This is exactly how the Cross Bronx Expressway / I 95 was built passing thru the Bronx. Robert Moses screwed over a lot of people who lacked the wherewithal to fight him.
Funny you should say that because they literally removed lanes in Manhattan in recent years. I've witnessed all streets around me losing at least 1 lane, some of them lost 2 lanes. And now they are telling people it's too congested.
Who would have thought charging $8 and $21 per vehicle per day wouldn't be popular with politicians and government officials.
I'm from London and ULEZ and Congestion charges money raised, doesn't do anything good for public transport or people in general. Money just gets stolen and divided between shareholders
Something that I didn't hear mentioned is how will the MTA (which is mismanaged as it is), all of a sudden become competent with congestion pricing. Another thing is that during rush hour, the trains are already super crowded as it is with intervals that are too long. Sometimes you can't even get on the train and have to wait until the next one (which is usually 10-15 minutes). Even if a small number of people switch to taking the subway, the entire system will become super overwhelmed and I don't think that the average person trusts the MTA to deal with that problem since they already don't.
All revenue from congestion pricing goes back into the MTA which needs billions to be renovated
Why would you have train every 10 minutes at rush hours? I have seen much smaller cities than NYC which manage to do it every 5 or so.
every 15 minutes in rush hours? I am used to 3 max 4 minutes
Uptown A always takes an insane amount of time between trains
I was on the subway today and the 4/5 comes every 3 mins… IDK what you’re talking about!
2:13 is this a mistake? 140,000 enter manhattan by car but so my somehow 1 million enter manhattan south of 60th by automobile? Doors that mean 860,000+ enter by bus or did 140k mean to refer to a different transportation method?
I replayed those sentences like five times...
@@shamusduffey4873same. Three times actually and I couldn’t make sense of it. He did change the term from Cars to automobile and that leave buses but that wouldn’t make sense.
I think he mentioned public transportation
There's also Taxis, and I'm betting that people going in and out get counted multiple times
He meant to say 1 million by transit. The ratio of people already commuting by transit is 10x the number that commute by car. The subways are the lions share of this, but commuter rail, busses, bikes, and ferries help too.
9:46: random dude running over the freeway 😂
Modern Dante going though the circles of concrete hell
Straight line mission
Instantly thought of micheal Douglas in falling down 😂
There is a bus stop on the side he's running to, for buses crossing the GW Bridge into NY 😆
@@jvohanianor get into a carpooling car (back in the good old days)
I lived and worked in NYC for a year during the pandemic, and Bloomberg's idea to tax people coming through Manhattan UNLESS they stayed only on FDR Drive... My god that would make FDR Drive so much more intolerable than it already is. It was built almost a century ago and the lanes are narrower than most modern cars, and it already is PTSD inducing going either 70 mph bumper to bumper, or dead stopped for hours for no apparent reason. Luckily google maps usually gives tourists goody routes through Manhattan first before getting to FDR and beyond, if everyone stayed on FDR, they'd have to do some kind of update to add more lanes..
When I visited NYC from Regina in my Jeep back in 2018, I learned to park my car for free in the Dutch Kills/Astoria neighbourhood & walk the Queensboro Bridge to Manhattan.
The walk was surprisingly pleasant. If I ever drive there again in the future, I'll just pack a folding bike or scooter in my car.
@@landongendur Well yea, the reality is very few people drive inside of New York. It’s predominantly taxis/ubers/lyfts and delivery trucks since everything has to come in from out of the city. Obviously some commuters too, but there really arent many joyriders in congestion zone.
For the most part the purpose is to tax delivery trucks who will pass the cost to consumers and transfer that money for the MTA. Thats why trucks dont get charged once a day and instead get charged everytime they enter the zone. Its a tax that people wouldnt have voted for if they realized they were the victims but they though NJ drivers would be the ones paying LMAO
Yeah let me just bike over the Manhattan bridge when it's 17 degrees out so the rich can zoom by without traffic.
@@mavensbaseball or ride a bus, subway, train. I heard they have AC on them
@@mavensbaseball "There's no bad weather, only bad clothes" -every German/Dutch/Nordic person
10:48 INNIT 🏴☕️
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You on one
Some come by car and others come by automobile?
I noticed this too. I assume one was supposed to be public transit?
Some may even use horseless carriages
Bus, van, truck etc.
@@kieronparr3403 Skateboard, Rascal, water buffalo, witch's broom...
@@MonkeyJedi99 Ah yes, we should all use our water buffaloes. We do all have them, but yours is fast and mine is slow 😮💨
If public transit was more safe it would be so much better. More Daniel Penny's and less Jordan Neely's would make Manhattan, and for that matter New York amazing
A big part of this is geography. As currently constructed, east-west traffic from LI to NJ (and vice versa) almost always result in someone driving right into lower/midtown Manhattan. Either the Lincoln Tunnel to the Midtown Tunnel or the Holland Tunnel to the East River bridges.
Most cities partially solve that by building ring roads to divert traffic away from the city core. The problem is that NYC due to its island geography functionally has no ring road to divert traffic away from the city core. There have been plans in the past to do so, but they always require extremely expensive infrastructure to complete (like the Long Island Sound link).
In turn, there are two routes that serves as "ring roads" around Manhattan but they are each very flawed. One is north via the Cross Bronx Expressway (GWB to NJ, Throngs Neck Bridge to LI) which already is one of the most congested routes in the USA and is both capacity constrained and obsolete from a freeway design philosophy. It can ill afford to pick up any diverted traffic. The 2nd route is south via the BQE to the VZ Bridge to the SIE. However, that will require going through the infamous BQE promenade section, a dangerously obsolete section (everyone agrees it will collapse soon, but NYC did nothing about it for 2+ and counting decades). NYC has actually closed 1 lane in each direction in order to kick the can down the road resulting in 24/7 congestion each way. That path also can ill afford to pick up any diverted traffic.
With both routes north and south functionally blocked, the result is to drive into Manhattan. Take a person from Queens wanting to catch a flight in Newark, the answer is to cross Manhattan. Vice versa, someone from Newark wanting to catch a flight at LGA, the answer, drive into Manhattan. Not sure congestion charge will do anything that...
It's just the nature of cars in dense urban areas. It's nothing special about Manhattan.
Robert Moses tried his hand in this and it got shot down
@@alehaim yeah moses wanted to bulldoze more of manhattan for interchange and highways, thank God they stopped him when they did. He almost ruined NYC.
I spotted the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge route on the map, but also that it would be a big detour for a lot of people. (Someone must go to Trenton ... but why?) I didn't appreciate the Brooklyn Promenade was in such bad shape - are there any good plans for fixing or rebuilding it?
@@oldunion indeed, moses was a prick
My family grew up in Westchester. My sister now drives in Manhattan. I think to her, you're crazy. I'm taking the subway. 😂
The subway is already beyond it's safe capacity levels it couldn't handle a 10%+ increase in daily passenger numbers.
@@Ushio01 what are you talking about? It is at 75% 2019 capacity. It hasn't gone back to normal since covid hit.
@@the0ne809 You realise it's suffered from capacity issues long before the pandemic right? the capacity levels today are still more than it can handle especially with all the delayed and canceleld maintenance that happened because of the pandemic.
2019 was one of the worst years ever after constant increases in over capacity since 2007 even in 2020 the subway was over crowded just not as much as the previous year.
@@Ushio01 not all lines are the same. the worse line is the 4/5 because the second line avenue hasn't been built yet. Man, I live here.
@@Ushio01 Source: trust me bro.
Seeing those massive streets with - no bus/taxi/bike lanes, no tram lines, lots of on street parking and seeing comments on how the subway in NYC is terrible makes me think there is something more to it than just unwillingness to implement congestion pricing.
I've been driving in NYC for the first time this year, and it has been my worst driving experience so far. Horrible. The public transports are good only if you want to go to or from Manhattan. It takes ages to go from one side of Brooklyn to the other by bus. Lots of room for improvement.
dude, I grew up in NY and I can tell you- just take the train.... buses have also gotten better with the new bus lanes they are adding
In Staten Island, you pretty much need to have a car. Lots of folks drive to the ferry, take that into Manhattan, then use public transportation in Manhattan.
Solution: don't drive, walk or use to the train
The IBX should help traveling across Brooklyn, though it will still be a few years til its available.
Or, you know, actually use public transport and don't expect the rest of everyone else to accomodate your space-hogging gas guzzler.
4:18 he's gonna talk about making public transportation better, right? Right?!?!?
Oh, he didn't...
The solution is not to make it even harder for those that need to drive, the solution is to give them alternatives instead. NYC is the richest city in the world, why does the subway looks worse than in third world countries???
Spend all the time discuss how good congestion pricing is good without discussing cities‘ public transportations. Most recently safety concerns. Trash.
Because NYC is run by Democrats, and the MTA is so corrupt it's the insane to see how many ch money they waste.
Londoners: *first time eh?*
God bless the bladerunners
At least your local government didn’t run Andy Byford out of town.
The MTA being the dumpster fire that it is the reason I even got a car in the first place. The congestion that I dealt with growing up using the buses and trains to go to school every day are things I never want to deal with not to mention the number of times I have had to miss the train because there weren't any space for me to physically fit in even with my small frame.
16:18 "That's assuming they all get through in the same light cycle" - Haven't you ever seen TRON? Everyone gets their own light cycle!
NYC should unilaterally implement congestion pricing.
People can't even operate e-bikes safely, can you imagine the carnage if they had TRON light-cycles?
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689 Self-solving problem.
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689 i think people should play more snake to prepare for this.
@@dimitriosfotopoulos3689 I'd imagine it'd look like Burnout 3, but in very slow motion
Driving into nyc during 2021 was a dream. Going 60mph through the Lincoln tunnel and being in lower manhattan was like being in southern NJ.
Bro seriously
Bronx to queens using the deegan and triboro was fucking amazing
Less than 15 minutes easily
I wish I could relive that and enjoy it under different circumstances obviously
NYC subway is grim. If they could make public transportation less post apocalyptic maybe more would like to ride
I'm sorry but I don't know a single working class preson who drives into lower manhattan, let alone someone who makes $15 an hour, you can't even afford the insurance or parking when making $15 a hour.
You absolutely can afford both. I drive into lower Manhattan.
Take a cab, you can meet a working class person each time, or just swing by the 7th precinct. Go to any of the many hundreds of schools. All those incomes do not enable a person to live anywhere near where they work. Some even live in PA. This is an elaborate and cruel tax on working class people/salaries. The wealthy won’t bat an eye. Just adds to the dystopian wealth gap.
@@SisyphusJP yes, but are those working-class people driving in, or are they taking rail/buses?
@@andrew8501 read what I wrote above ^ please 🙏
What about the food carts in his video? They all drive into Manhattan.
The car-suburb movement was a bit of what we'd today call a (short-sighted) social justice movement. It was a way for middle- and working-class white Americans to have easy access to jobs and services downtown with only the price of a car. So now we're in an unsustainable situation where ending car commute subsidies really will harm working-class suburbanites in the short-term, and it WILL be painful.
It's also going NG to hurt the MTA, only getting a couple of bucks, instead of the bridge toll, while having to provide extra services to meet demand. All while the switching is over 100 years old, so trains have to be kept much further apart than in other railways around the world. Plus the assaults and murders that happen every year in the trains and stations.
16:33 Shot of the exit from the Costco on exit 15 off of I-95 in New Rochelle - live right by there and it's uniquely congested due to it being a Costco with one exit/entrance with a bunch of intersecting highways and parkways right by it. (insert obligatory "not NYC" here)
BTW, this pricing means that there is no way to drive from Manhattan to Queens without paying the toll. Part of the RFK bridge goes under the toll zone for 1 minute, which means that drivers using it have to pay the entire fee every single time.
The real issue of “how much is your time stuck in traffic worth” in NYC specifically, because of how costly other items are. A $20 toll may not be a disincentive to drive when rent is $3500 per month, for example. To truly make a New Yorker question driving, it would have to be a nearly criminal amount. Here in Quito, we are a 490 year old city (obviously not designed with cars in mind) so there isn’t a ton of car space. We use a system based on the last digit of your license plate that says you can’t drive in the excluded zone on your certain day. Works pretty well without charging folks anything.
I've heard if this before. The wealthy just buy multiple cars and yet again benefit the most.
This is a good idea and certainly more equitable. Variable tolling might work too but like you said, it would be very expensive, but it would be an incentive to carpool.
As a resident of a bigger city closer than the NYC profile (São Paulo), that adopts this system, I can assure you this is insufficient. People usually buy another car or use the spouse's car. And used cars can be pretty affordable in US, far more than South America.
@@gohanssj48 cars here are way more expensive than elsewhere because of the tariffs on cars. We can’t print US dollars, so we have to protect the money supply.
That sucks too.
As a NYer, I've lived here for 30+ years. I don't trust the people managing the money. Even with the money they collected over the decades they we caught cooking the books and all the stations haven't been reinvested in. Chambers street has looked like a damned sewer for decades. Same Switches. Same Tunnels. Still no mass train management like on the 7 and L train lines. I've worked with countless of companies and none of them left their infrastructure and equipment fail. There are known choke points like Jay St Metro Tech or Hoyt Schermehorn that cause massive delays and they never get fixed. They want MORE money???
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@@rg1649It does tell you that the guy isn't a rando but actually has some experience with it tho?
no one fixing that hopefully trump can. but yeah they still need money.
How many billions every year? Yet every single year they claim that more money will fix it… 😂 A sucker’s born every minute.
The goal of congestion pricing is to reduce traffic. The MTA could light that pile of money on fire and it would still reduce traffic.
As someone who currently lives in NJ and used to live in NYC, this is a good video in practice, and honestly I do agree with most of your points that you've mentioned on how congestion charges would reduce traffic. While I am also for congestion charges, there are some counterpoints that are to note (with solutions that would be unpopular with NY residents):
1. Public transportation in NYC, while better than most of the US, still lacks compared to the rest of the world. The main cause of this issue: Prices Are Too Low. No matter the time of day or the distance traveled, the cost to ride on the MTA remains around $3. Compared to London, Washington DC, and other areas, they lose out by not charging extra to riders based on the "rush hour" traffic. Of course, for NYC people, increasing this fare from $2.25 to $2.50 caused a massive uproar in the community, so I doubt they'd ever be able to implement this. But, (and I could be wrong) the average price in London or DC is around $6-8, and that's with less people traffic than the MTA has on a daily basis.
2. Public transportation outside NYC is in complete shambles, also due to a lack of funding. Amtrak + NJ Transit has had numerous issues during volatile weather temperatures as the systems are over 80 years old and haven't been modernized in this new climate. The trains don't run fast, and the busses are few and far in between, with numerous delays causing the perception of the transit system to be low among NJ and other NY folks. On top of that, the stations themselves are breaking down, flooding, or not in service due to the lack of funds that can be deployed to fix the infrastructure surrounding NYC.
The solution is simple, put more money towards the city infrastructure. Residents may suffer in the short-term, but the long-term gains are immense. It's a bigger issue than a simple congestion pricing fix (although we still need that). If this passes, it helps improve the livelihoods for future generations, but it's tough to think that far ahead, which is where politicians should come in and help.
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@rg1649 Well thats how you build credibility. What if I said “As someone who lived in Russia… and then talked about this issue”? Your response makes no sense and doesn’t even tackle my main points, which funny enough, are for people like you to read
I dunno I don’t think the fare needs raising, we just need to use the money we already have better
It's a good thing our government always follows through with promises and never reallocate funds that were supposed to help everyone into projects that specifically help key donors.
Tell me more about how the government doesn't *want* to spit in my face, but, tragically, they are forced to do so for my own benefit.
They have people on the subway to do it for them, and don't mind the crazy person yelling at themselves, as longvas you don't look at them they won't try to beat you or set you on fire....
This city is trying to suck every dime out of its residents and I hate it
This isn't about reducing congestion. It's just about creating another revenue stream for the MTA. And maybe the MTA wouldn't be so strapped for cash if they did a better job at preventing rampant fare evasion. Hardly needs fancy tech. Just an officer or two and a high fine.
They have both of those you suggested, but it still goes on!
They need to bring back the “Iron Maiden” turnstiles…you can’t jump over them!
And get rid of the brain dead , dead weight that is the corrupt MTA management!
MTA is greedy af raise fares and don’t improve service in anyway. They also give $100 fines for fare evasion to people who can’t afford $2.90. It’s a huge waste of police resources and primarily targets the poorest New Yorkers.
@@eraj1001 i agree with the greedy and don't improve service part but then again they do need money to run. Idk how much profit is in that $3 but at least I get to move around the city without a car.
@@lavablader6949 8 million people paying $3 twice a day they making close to $50m a day
End it. Mta needs an audit. They cant even prevent criminals from pushing citizens on tracks.
You describe London as a success story for congestion pricing, but in the impact study you use that shows NYC sitting #1,, London is 3rd in the world with a slower average speed than NYC after almost 20 years of congestion pricing.
Maybe it was worse before the congestion pricing?
That's ignoring the fact that - with very few exceptions - there are no multi-lane roads in Central London, as there simply isn't the physical space. A much lower proportion of London's surface area is occupied by roads than in comparable cities around the world - which makes it a very pleasant place to walk, but a very bad place to drive.
Traffic congestion in the City of London and the City of Westminster was recorded back to at least the 1800s - and is a big part of why the London Underground exists at all. The Congestion Charge dramatically improved traffic flows, from barely faster than walking to merely bad. The fee is certainly not a perfect solution, but it did make sure that potential drivers consider whether they really *need* to drive in the city centre...
London also has a good and relatively cheap bus service, so rather than the poorest suffering from increased travel costs, they typically benefit the most from policies that reduce driving and increase traffic speed (buses become more reliable and potentially cheaper to operate, allowing fares to be frozen for longer).
@@peeky44 When I went to Mexico City I noticed much of the city was massive roads compared to Europeans cities like London.
So, basically same people driving, more founding for the gov, sounds like a plus to me even if not perfect
Yes but the number of cars altogether has significantly dropped. More space has been taken from the cars and given to pedestrians, cyclists, and buses. Congestion pricing is misleading in that it isn’t going to reduce traffic speeds but rather it is reducing the number of cars and the space they take up on the roads.
There are a couple of issues that this video ignores. One while it mentions the cars proportion of daily commuters has gone down, daily ride shares have gone up, NYC has regulatory means to control the number of taxis (and ride share services) with the medallion system. Instead NYC politicians have effectively been paid to look the other way while the ride share services operated essentially pirate cabs and never competed for medallions in the first place. The cab drivers who did pay the enormous prices for a medallion went bankrupt (they had their fares regulated by the city and the ride shares did not) . Then during the De Blasio admin, you had the then mayor rip up half the lanes for bicyclists (effectively ripping up the space that a million drivers used to benefit 64K largely affluent male bike riders ) .
At the same time that same admin chose to do nothing about the increasing crime in the subway. Many refuse to use the subway at all due to fear. That is one of the main reasons ride share services have gone up in the city. They will pay much higher uber fees rather than take the subway or buses. This is basically manufacturing the crisis so that they can justify the tax increase which the electorate emphatically doesn't want until the MTA shows they can actually cut down on the enormous waste, the 700 million a year fare evasions, and the many fraudulent overtime rates which many MTA employees claiming when in reality they aren't on the job.
The other thing that the video doesn't mention is that the reduction in congestion pricing for London and the other cities was only temporary. Today and for several years London congestion is already higher than pre pricing levels. Again daily commuting cars largely replaced by ride share traffic inside the city.
Bike lanes are a good thing, it gives transportation options for ppl outside the subway and cars/ubers, bike riders are not just affluent,many are delivery drivers, citi bike users, commuters like myself, bike users would increases if bike lane infrastructure increased, bike lanes actually reduce traffic as the yt channel not just bikes explains in almost all his videos
I lived in NJ and Staten Island public transport takes me anywhere from 1hour 40 to 3 hours simply to get home. While in a car it can be done in 50 min. Moreover I have a bunch of friends and coworkers who live in Long Island/rockaway/ and southern bklyn who drive in because there there is a lack of public transport same thing with me in Staten Island. And please don’t say some stupid thing like “don’t work in Manhattan then” if that’s where all the jobs are. MTA is never fixed the QFMNR lines are always not working properly and all they do is increase the charge. Also the safety issue is a big factor. Some of you talk but don’t know what it’s like to take an hour train ride at night in the city and clearly thankfully never dealt with a situation where your life was threatened on public transport same thing
Same issue for residents of Westchester. At least they have access to north NYS and a bunch of other towns in Westchester. You guys on Staten Island are really getting squeezed by this.
But the Democrats have to raise taxes somehow, even though it leads to lower tolls from the bridges. Not like the first order thinkers have thought that far....
Fee goes into MTA, fees gone. Nothing changes. Stations and tunnels still crumble, rolling stock is still 60 years old.
"Taxis excempt"
And taxis flood the street from curb to curb.
"What you subsidize, you get more of"
Yupp
Yeah, I foresee people afraid of public transportation simply hiring a taxi... especially when driverless taxis become available.
You can tell whos not from new york when they recommend you take the subway instead of taking your car 😂
dude all new Yorker take subway. you are not newyorker if you take the car to manhattan
@ i rather take my car into manhattan then deal with the crazies in the subways ive already had my fare share of weirdness down there lol
@@Flayeshy now u can do it faster great
True New Yorkers aren't afraid of the subway.
I work in downtown Manhattan and make low 6 figures. I’m considered lower middle class, I drive into the city most days. I already pay taxes for the roads and bridges, they can’t even fix the damn potholes on the LIE exit 24 after years but they want to charge me a congestion fee now 😂😂😂. Mayor and governor definitely getting paid off by MTA to pass this it’s absurd.
LOL what. Even in NYC that’s upper middle, man. Source- I live here and have also been in that income range
@ just google it upper middle class in nyc is $160,000
Didn’t expect to love this video coming in, great work!
I think the real problem is that you have 8.6 million people living in an area about 304 square miles. You can move everybody onto public transport and you're still going to have congestion. There's also the question of how you are going to get goods and services to feed that many people into the city. You can certainly put a rail siding next to every building in New York City, but I'd hate to see the NIMBY on that.
1. The Congestion Pricing might stop some congestion by forcing others to find different ways to drive into Manhattan. However, this is going to create congestion elsewhere. You're not really solving the problem, just moving it elsewhere.
2. You're also charging more to move goods and services into the city. This is going to get passed on to consumers. From my outside perspective, NYC is already expensive enough to live in. This will only make it more expensive.
3. From my outside perspective, NYC has a lot of other problems that need fixing, and I don't see either the city or the state spending that money on anything other than their own pet projects. Any through traffic going north on I-95 is forced across the George Washington Bridge and only the Cross Bronx Expressway. One way to fix that would be to build and actual bypass and get the through traffic out of NYC.
Come on manz it's dollars in, stop your 💬 thinking past first order. I mean, "less traffic good, congestion pricing more MTA moneyz or gnore the loss of MTA funding from bridge tolls.....
I am a NYC Paramedic, EMT/Paramedics make much less $$$ than Firefighters / PD / DOC / Sanitation... There are three EMS stations and several hospitals in the congestion zone most of us work over 12hrs days and live in outer boroughs as well as other counties and states... We donot have bunks to sleep at the station meaning driving home after our tours is a must... There are currently no provision emergency workers who have to travel into the congestion zone.
Further more behind the scenes, prior to congestion pricing being paused by gov Huchol lots of the senior membership transferred out... An unfortunate consequence of congestion pricing will be that the three stations in the zone are looked upon as rookie locations where a member is forced to be there for a few months at a time this affects the public when your in a life threatening situation and all the rescuers are brand new...
MTA dgaf
If I was having a stroke, I'd take a rookie arriving in 14 minutes over a senior paramedic arriving in 15.
Firefighters should make more because it is a hazardous job
Lost me at Eliot “Spritzer”. I thought you knew your stuff. 😂
Well he IS a spritzer, if his past behavior is anything to go by, but his name is Spitzer.
they outsource everything now. Probably an AI script and he just reads it, then they pat someone to put stock footage together.
This video is well produced, but out of touch. Credit to you for mentioning a few counter arguments, but you failed to bring up how this shifts traffic and air pollution to lower income areas ringing the congestion zone. Well and good to address the real issues raised here, but a bad break for people already struggling with some of the highest rents in the world, higher food costs than most of the country, and a notoriously corrupt MTA that hasn't been able to handle peak commuter loads either before or after COVID and STILL just hiked the fare.
Now you want to advocate sticking them with worse air and traffic and an even more packed and delayed train commute so people's Uber's go faster?
Not saying something like this shouldn't be done, but the method and timing is pretty bad here. How long are the less fortunate supposed to shoulder this?
Neo-liberals abhor the poor. The pollution is a feature, not a bug. They want us to choke on the fumes, so we can't pass on our pittances of inheritances to our children.
They believe poor people having children, is a sign that poor people have no morals. Because "who would bring a child into a world of pollution?!?"
Forever, and whike the narrative is the MTA are going to get more money, they didnt factor in how much ch the MTA get from the bridge tolls thats going to be list (which goes to the MTA)
“Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock up my doors
It’s the only way to live
In cars!”
Nothing about how this will kill so many businesses that make communities special and are on their last leg since Covid
Correct me if I’m wrong, but at least in Stockholm and also, I believe, London, didn’t they build more public parking outside of the congestion area making it easier for people who had no choice but to drive to then get close enough to use rapid transit? Because they aren’t doing that here in NYC.
Our agencies are so corrupt here that if you told the MTA to build a parking garage, they’d ask for billions of dollars to make it
do you think there’s not enough parking? The USA is drowning in parking, and that includes New York City.
@@thisIsFunnyLolz Generally the municipalities pay for the parking.
There's not a station in my whole train network that doesn't have a free carpark, except the central station. Of course, NYC don't plan, they charge new fee.
The only problem with this is: who the heck is going to do the plumbing, the electricity, the painting, the drywall repairs, the deliveries,etc ????
You can’t bring tool bags and pallets of materials onto the subway lmaoooo
I mean I guess the tradesmen can just pass cost a long and raise their prices but that was just mean rents go from $5200 a month to $8000 a month or let the apartments fall into disrepair/slum conditions…
But then again a lot of people think once you build something you never have to maintain it or repair thing.
Interesting to see how this will affect both real estate, hotels and living conditions in Manhattan… if you can’t repair stuff at a reasonable price 😅
Stop it with your second order thinking, or bviously the keft are going to blsme the workers.
the only reason newyorkers like me dont agree with this plan is its charging us money to drive on roads we never have been charged on and without and improvement to infastructure just the government asking for more money for the same resources which they been doing for years obviously this you tuber is not from ny
Imagine trying to drive from Brooklyn to New Jersey for work, where there’s definitely not trains all over, and paying $9 a day plus $18 for the holland tunnel EVERY DAY. I’ve turned down jobs in Jersey just because it wouldn’t be worth it solely because of the tolls. It’s ridiculous
It's not ridiculous. You're not entitled to a job in a different state 😂.
@@traplover6357 This comment makes no sense. I live in NJ and also wish there were better transit to New York. I'm not even that far and it takes me 3 trains to get to my downtown job. I don't even look at jobs in Brooklyn because of how long the commute would be. It's about a job to make a living not entitlement.
I'm fine with the toll. It definitely is far more expensive to drive in NYC but to me it's worth it. You can't put a price on peace and having your own little bit of personal space in this dense city.
Why or how do they think this will fix congestion?
People still need to get to work and truck still need to get into the city to make deliveries.
No one tells their boss “I can’t work today because it cost me a few more dollars “
Invest in an ebike, I don't even own a car, but rather 4 ebikes.
I don't know why anyone who lives in a city would own a car, it's just worse than an e-bike on every metric. E-bikes are superior in speed, flexibility, price, noise, sustainability and pollution.
NYC comprises of 5 boroughs, if a person who lives in Brooklyn, who has to pay and entrance fee, while someone who lives in manhattan does not, than why should a Brooklyn resident pay the same NY city tax?
The Stuttering Skater has proven that it's faster to roller blade across New York than drive. By a considerable margin.
E-bikes and if you get into lane changing and running the dotted white lines, your winning.
@Right-Is-Right I ride a proper bike, e-bikes just can't keep up
While I don't think congestion pricing is a bad thing - I don't see why they don't first enact other measures like community parking and actually enforcing traffic laws. Many many cities will only allow street parking for people who have plates registered in that city, DC is a great example of this. So if you want to park there you have to find paid parking. Meanwhile in NYC I'd say 1 in 3 cars have plates from other states. Additionally, if NYC is trying to find new sources of revenue, how about enforcing "don't block the box" again. Now cars just sit under red lights and in cross walks blocking traffic in all directions every day. They've installed cameras for automated ticketing of speeding and running red lights (in a few token areas) yet automation hasn't reduced that workforce. Funny how that happens.
As much as I love cars, NYC needs more rail lines and perhaps new and creative highways. The city is reaching a breaking point.
There's something profoundly interesting about traffic studies to me. One of the most interesting was a book that advocated for far fewer traffic signs to improve road safety.
For highways yes
Oh yeah, I agree. I like observing how entire systems function… like NATS (the system of airplane tracks that get planes across the Atlantic). One of my grad school profs had worked on the team that designed the New Jersey side tolls for the GW (number and position of the lanes and how far out from the bridge they should be).
I like the "fewer lanes = less cars", but so many people have a hard time accepting it.
As someone that lived in North Dakota and now lives in south Minnesota, I can comfortably say that just the shots of all the signage alone would be enough to cause me a sensory meltdown. Me and almost a hundred thousand other residents are used to flying through lower midtown at 40, maybe 45 if we felt daring, then 25 to 30 once we crossed the bridge over the railyard into downtown. Crawling along at 10mph is foreign to me, and a terrible use of gas.
@@tylerwalsh7840 no, for city streets less signs is actually safer - signs or not, it is both highly inadvisable and illegal to run over people. Less certainty over who has right of way is better for safety, as drivers need to be more careful.
Plus you still have the last clear chance doctrine so even if you have right of way you are still obliged to try avoid an accident if you have a clear chance to do so ...
New Yorker here: the outer boroughs commuting via MTA is the worse especially the buses. What’s crazy taking the express bus RT cost more than me simply driving in
Driving a car is usually the most expensive means of transportation in dense cities anyways. I doubt it will do anything besides freeing roads for the rich. I like the approach that we have in Paris instead: no congestion charge, improve public transit and cycling, restrict on-street parking and roads open for motor vehicles, limit through-traffic for axes that remain open. I think it is more courageous than implement a scheme that increases inequalities rather than the other way around
I got to visit Paris this year and the car free areas are so wonderful.
@@shadowcentaurthe car free areas have exacerbated congestion in the other areas of paris and actually made more pollution
The congestion pricing plan is a good a start. You have to understand that North American anglosphere absolutely despises cyclists and loves parking. So while it works in Paris, it would be politically impossible here.
@@seanthe100Care to back that up with stats?
@@wrestlewithjimmy775 of course he doesn't, because it's not true. Average air quality in Paris has been meaningfully increasing over the past 5 years. The aqicn historical data for Paris is quite clear.
Would’ve been nice if you mention the lack if safety and increase of crime/violence on public transportation.
Nobody drives in Manhattan unless they’re absolutely forced to. Public transportation is supposed to be the obvious choice. But people are staying away-and for good reason. The safety issues are glaring, and nobody in charge seems to care enough to fix them. I used to ride the subway daily. Now? No chance. It’s too dangerous.
Want people to use public transportation? Make it safe. Make it decent. People will happily ditch their cars. But no-the city would rather strong-arm everyone into using a broken system instead of fixing it. It’s beyond pathetic-it’s a disgrace.
Despite the sensational news coverage of exceedingly rare incidents, I ride the subway every day and can report that it’s very safe
@@patrick.n.stoverThats what one if the vocal supporters of the tax said, before she eas bashed on the subway. How many murders a year would you call unsafe as the current murder rate is fine? Personally I like zero, but I dont know ve in a kefty hell hole and believe wnything more than zero murders on a train system is OK.
My only concern with programs like this is that it needs to come backed up with adequate public transportation, including long-distance transportation (many people live outside of cities and drive into them). Where I live, public transportation options are so useless that me using them to get to work would turn a 30 minute commute into a 2 hour commute, and that still includes a 15 minute personal vehicle drive to the nearest bus stop (so I'd be spending 2 hours to save 15 minutes of driving). Granted, I'm in Phoenix, which is a bit of an anomaly, but it is an issue in any city.
I'm mistrustful of even programs like the original proposal of 100% of revenue going towards public transportation, because the way US governments work means they'll most likely just divert the same amount from the regular funding, so that the overall funding remains the same and nothing changes. In AZ, we had a public referendum that passed which added a tax onto incomes over $200,000 which went to schools, and after it passed our government simply diverted an equal amount of money from school budgets into other things. I don't see any guarantee that the same wouldn't happen with public transportation, and local governments would just treat it as a revenue source.
Watching this from Ft. Lee NJ - i can see the Galaxy towers in Guttenburg NJ and see all of Manhattan from where i'm sitting. I travel into and out of NYC a few times a week and just getting to the bridge (~1.5 miles) from where i live can either be 5min drive or a 70min drive depending on when i leave. once on the bridge it moves but slow. another issue is that the bridge connects into the cross bronx expressway in the Bronx and that backs up too.
The unique problem with Manhattan is that drivers are already taxed with tolls on most bridges and all tunnels. The tolls are some of the highest in the country. How is that for alleged cheap travel into the city? And where are all the billions of $ going?
🤔 Nothing for nothing, if they implement “Congestion Pricing”, they should eliminate the toll on the Brooklyn Battery tunnel which gives you access to both the Westside drive,and FDR.
The MTA and they havent factored in the loss in their calculations. Smooth brained lefties cheer their new tax.
Further compounding, the issue is the fact that for the millions of people who live on Long Island, your only option to get off the island is to drive through the city!
Google maps tells that there is also a ferry.
Google maps tells that there is a ferry.
@@rafakrakowiak2719 From....?
You can get off LI via the Verrazzano Bridge and Throgs Neck. Congestion pricing only charges people entering lower Manhattan.
@@Vevxo As of the 2020 U.S. census, Long Island had a population of 8,063,232 people.
You want 8 million people to take one bridge to get off the island?
Two ideas that would help:
1) “All Stop, All Walk” red lights. The inability to turn due to pedestrian traffic creates massive grid lock. Tokyo figured this out and allowing people to cross diagonally with an All Stop intersection improved pedestrian efficiency and safety; while doing the same for car flow.
2) A NYC bypass tunnel from NJ and CT to Long Island. Having to go through Manhattan to get to L.I. from NJ or CT is a congestion nightmare.
We can tuen right on red here in South Florida and the pedestrian vs car injuries/deaths is twice as high as NYC and we don't have NYC's density..
The 'all stop, all walk' junctions are such a game-changer, they've become increasingly common in London too
@@rafborreroSouth Florida is a joke in terms of public transportation and pedestrian infrastructure. I can't even walk to the Publix half a mile away without worrying about getting run over.
The amount of people that do not realize that in order to improve public transit you have to introduce money into the system. This plan both introduces new taxes that add money to public transit and also encourages people to take public transit- adding more money to the system. This also reduces noise pollution, which given NYC’s DOE “E-designation” system will allow for new residential buildings to be cheaper because of the lower need for robust windows
And the loss of tolls which already goes to the MTA is good ng to be replaced by..... You wre another smooth brain, first order thinker.
The government has presented a tax with no solution to reduce cars. No one wants to drive into Manhattan. If there was another option they would use it. If there was a parking garage in The Bronx next to the subway I'd park there, but there isn't so I can't.
Something important to note is that more people would feel incentivized to commute via public transportation if it was perceptibly safer and more comfortable to do so. I'm not talking about the actual statistics of violence on public transportation because what influences people's decision is more-so what they perceive and experience rather than what they're told the numbers are.
a lot of the "feeling unsafe" is online propaganda scaring people. i'm a young woman in brooklyn and routinely take the subway all over the city, sometimes deep into 3,4 am. it's completely totally fine.
@@beepboopsloane well maybe it's because you're from a rich area in Brooklyn. bronx-bound trains can get pretty scary, especially at night
@@jejune33 i lived in the bronx for 5 years...
@@beepboopsloane and i've lived here for 20 years. i'm just saying there are tons of mentally unwell people who will scream at you, follow you, etc. there are creepy men who will stare you down on the subway, especially if you are a woman. just the other day, an innocent woman was burned to death on the subway.
i don't think subways are as scary as people make them out to be, but to say it's completely and totally fine and people only feel unsafe due to online propaganda is being willingfully ignorant of the actual issues that the MTA has, especially when it comes to the security of the people riding the subway. conditions can and should improve.
edit: they should improve especially they're going to keep raising the subway fare and toll pricing!!!
@ I hear what you're saying. the thing is the more people that take the subways the safer they become. In my decade of living here i've been involved in one (1) incident. A man punched me in the head on the 5 train in the bronx. But guess what happened? Another man immediately stood up and the attacker meekly walked to the other side of the train alone. I switched cars and all was well.
There's definitely problems with the subway and problems with unwell passengers. But the fearmongering out there actively makes the problem worse
urbanplanadvisor AI fixes this. NYC congestion pricing battle overview.
So here in NJ, congestion pricing is pretty much universally hated. One of our gubernatorial hopefuls has already started putting billboards outside the Holland Tunnel and on the Turnpike that say “No Congestion Pricing.”
I think one reason it’s so unpopular in Jersey is that there isn’t any talk of paring it with improvements to mass transit. The idea is to just dump the money into the MTA, but the Port Authority controls the GWB, Holland and Lincoln tunnels, the bus depots at 175th and 42nd street, the PATH train, and Penn Station. So basically, NYC is saying “we’re going to force you to use crumbling infrastructure and overworked overcrowded busses and trains, and we’re going to take your money to pay for people to commute from the outer boroughs.”
I live in NJ, and I don’t really get all of the hate for congestion pricing. People who drive from NJ are already paying tolls that go to defray the cost of the congestion pricing. And there are plans in the work to improve the port authority terminal and build two additional tunnels into manhattan that will primarily be used by NJ transit and Amtrak. If those projects get canceled, it will be because of funding. Congestion pricing can help make sure that doesn’t happen. I take the bus every day and spend 2-3 hours commuting. The bus can be fast but it is not when it has to sit in traffic. If you look at the statistics, the vast majority of people who commute from NJ into manhattan do so by bus and rail already, and congestion pricing will help them.
@ I used to work in Brooklyn and commute by bus into the city, and yes it was 2-3 hours but the sitting in traffic wasn’t the issue. The issue was that some busses were already full and would just bypass my stop, so at least an hour of that commute was “waiting for an empty enough bus.” When I moved to central Jersey, I started driving in because it was only an hour and my car wasn’t going to leave without me. I think that’s the source of a lot of the resistance, it’s not that people want to drive into the city, it’s that there is no plan to make NJ Transit suck less in the immediate, and all the money is going into the MTA.
People who live in New Jersey get all the benefits of working in Manhattan but take on almost none of the burden of living in nyc. NYC can’t keep having this traveling dollar and expect things like the MTA to get better
@@El_Guapo98 Agreed entirely. If you come into NYC from New Jersey, make your money, leave, and then go spend it in NJ, you are degrading the roads and contributing to congestion without giving anything back
well, maybe there's a deal to be worked out. if an NJ driver pays congestion pricing to enter the city, maybe some (or all?) of that money should go back to NJ transit? seems straightforward to me.
He didn’t even mention how now having to pay. The toll prices will go up because it’s more expensive to get in the city and it’s not gonna help with the congestion at all. You’ve tried this back when horses were in the city. They tried everything to get horses off the streets because they were making a mess. They made fine and they kept upping them and ultimately you know what ended up fixing it what’s the invention of the automobile not government not money so this is gonna have the same effect it won’t be fixed until someone comes through way with a new wave of transportation it’ll just make you mad increase pricing and drive people out of the city and in other states
Part of the problem is the MTA is fucking terrible at even managing the current budget they have. Public transport in NYC is unsafe its a fact. The MTA has had Billions of dollars of Allocation and they haven't done anything with it.
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The reason why people choose to drive in spite of the horrible traffic is how much of a zoo the MTA is. It's a testament to how dirty, dangerous, always late, broken down, and extremely corrupt the MTA is. The MTA has the same budget as Tokyo's combined metro systems; who service a population of more than 30 million. Look at videos of each. People would leave their cars at home if there were a Tokyo tier transit system that's clean, on time, and doesn't tolerate crime or public nuisances. Fire the corrupt MTA and all its union slackers, sue them for the wasted money back, and replace it private companies that run each line, enforce the law with officers on every train and station.
If you live in certain areas of Queens and Bronx, a 25-30 minute drive will take 2+ hours on a good day by bus and train.
The lack of connection in Brooklyn alone is insane . Going from Bensonhurst to Williamsburg can take up to 2 hours and you never leave Brooklyn because there’s nothing that connects the areas . You either have to take the N into Manhattan and the L back. Or a bus into east New York / Canarsie area and then catch the L from there . And Ubers are like $36 one way .
The funniest thing - they quickly found money and manpower to install those charging poles, but to fix some roads and other stuff takes billions dollars and hours to do!
I never understand how the cabbies make any money. 40% of the vehicles in Manhattan are rideshares, and they get a break with the new toll. All of the trucks bringing in our food, however, do not. Congestion won't go away with the new tolls. I suspect its just another 20$ for the MTA to buy scratch tickets with.
Cabs get a pass on the toll.
They have to work 20 plus hours a day. That’s how. lol
exactly. it’s a money making scheme… thinly disguised as a traffic reducing scheme.. and that’s just one of the many reasons I loathe it.
The MTA and NYC need to be audited and pass before they're able to levy any new taxes. Why are we giving billions of dollars to entities that have proved they waste money
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I am one of those middle income, outer borough residents that commutes down to lower Manhattan by public transit and I've been here like "come ON already" for ages now. I don't think a single person I work with drives to work, but we all regularly get held up in things like bus traffic (and subway delays). And for anyone who complains, let them get stuck on a crosstown bus that's stuck in horrible traffic where it's faster to walk...
And here we are in Ontario where our premier (essentially governor) has decided to remove bike lanes in Toronto and build more highways...
It just becomes another tax on the poor, which the rich can afford.
We need to provide alternatives and make the area less car friendly and more bike/walking friendly, not punish those without any other option if they want to make a living.
It is good so that the poor can take public transportation instead of
I have 2 issues with congestion charging (and I cycle to work):
1) No viable alternatives.
2) Wealth inequality.
They could be fixed by charging a rate tied to your income... Which would also generate more income.
And either exempting, or having limited numbers of passes per month for essential trips (eg the supermarket) or people not served by the public transport network.
Public transport (or preferably, active travel) needs to be made easier and quicker than driving.