@RastaTurban broseph I can't think of a single situation that would render that sentiment an ill advisory...literally . .if it's sinking ..and its not a sub....why tf would you NOT gtfo
For future reference. If the ship is listing 20 degrees or more and you are below the main deck or in an interior cabin, GTFO. If you wait below decks until you are walking on walls, you have stayed too long. If you see sea water in the passage way, GTFO. If they tell you to stay put under those conditions, tell them to F-themselves. Find a life jacket or other flotation device on your way to the main deck (or higher). If rescue vessels are not on scene when it gets bad, and it is too late for life boats or the crew is as incompetent as the one shown here... Check the video at 20:35... Note the white barrels. Those are inflatable life rafts. There is a leash attached to each one. A good yank will deploy the raft. They should, theoretically deploy automatically when they go under water, but if it is as bad as the picture shows at that time stamp, don't wait.
This is a culture problem, fear of speaking out etc putting way too much faith in other people and governments. Nothing puts the fear of god into me more than Being inside something sinking or underwater… the first sign of a problem I will be on the deck 😅 I will rather jump overboard without a life vest in freezing or shark infested water than sit inside a heavily listing ship. People need to learn if it’s a rational fear, act on it! As in on a sinking ship you will have rational fear as apposed to being having fear due to a harmless spider being near you
@@lightwarrior432 They were just kids. They're *supposed* to listen to adults, *especially* in an emergency, *especially* if they're scared. We refer to people who learned not to trust adults as kids as "traumatized".
Yeah and if they would have said "quick everyone to the top of the ship" causing an imbalance an it to rollover you would be here saying they should have had everyone stay lower in the ship to help out with balance. People act like this was done intentionally to kill high school kids which is just idiotic. By the time anything was ordered (to stay or otherwise) it was probably very unlikely those on the side the ship was listing would be able to get out anyhow with a severe list like they were dealing with.
@@bradsanders407 And no. At the time boat staff realized there was problem if they acted orderly and appropriately there was a severe chance NOBODY died at all.
@@bradsanders407 sometimes its good to not follow orders and just care about your and others lives. In this case the passengers going to the other side would have not made a difference since the cargo shifted
They never saw titanic obviously. A society that worst offense is embarrassing their elders. Yet the very age of their elders is the ages of the captain an crew fleeing first! "Capt goes down w the ship". Is obviously no longer the practice. Note the cruise ship went aground off coast crippled. First thing done was capt went ashore. "To help w the rescue. " Yeah he did or is doing prison time for that one.
Notice how, AGAIN, nobody in management was arrested, even the one that threatened the other captain that was making the instability warnings. Or the people that falsified documents.
The then-president of ROK also bungled things up in the wake of the disaster. They were eventually impeached and imprisoned for corruption for unrelated matters, and then the sentence extended as more things came to light.
@@AToolWithToolsShe was pardoned after serving a couple years. I wouldn't really call it justice but her political allies at the time needed leverage....much like the ship. The difference is she got away.
@@charlesreid9337 It's normal for S.K. The Burning Sun Scandal involving drugging, raping, and trafficking women saw high ranking officials and business people who were never investigated. Part of the evidence was actually seized in 2016 by police and returned to one of the criminals, after the police ordered a forensics analysis. Fortunately, the technician kept a secret copy which was then leaked (in 2019) through lawyers and a human rights commission out of rightfully fearing that police would bury the evidence. The actual list of crimes stretched from 2015 to 2019. High ranking police officials were providing protection. Some of the business clients were from Japan and China. Very few were jailed and the sentences were quite light considering the gravity of the crimes.
Not really ! The young woman Park took total control of the vessel at the most critical time of the voyage and made the crucial mistake which ended with over 300 innocent children dying.
@@mitchgisborne1369 There are loads of stories like this and for most of them - men are in charge. Old rich women who dabble in "magick" and are part of a secret society. Switch out the sex of the person and it's still the same "magick".
I wouldn’t say the rescue effort was desperate, because there basically wasn’t any. All of those vessels spent way WAY too long with their thumbs up their asses because nobody would make a decision. An American vessel capable of rescue was turned away, and American (and other) divers also came to participate in the recovery effort and were all but sabotaged, forcing them to leave for their own safety. It was astoundingly negligent and corrupt.
From what I remember, the foreign rescue divers who offered help included Edd Sorenson, a famed American cave and rescue diver who’s been personally involved in many rescue missions.
That's called, "saving face". A huge problem in Asian societies... less of a problem in Western societies. For many Koreans, the deaths are less important than the reputational damage to Korea.
Watched another vid on this incident done by a Korean, and that is still putting it lightly. There were all kinds of people who stood around doing jack and shit while also not allowing people who wanted to actually try to help anywhere near the ship. The fishermen who made rescues early on did so ignoring the official vessels telling them to stay away, that were still "scouting" the issue and would not approach.
His series on this breaks my heart. As a former sailor, I cannot understand the cowardice and inability to act by much of the crew, the coast guard, Navy, politicians. Stability and overloading issues aside, most of these kids could have been saved.
Brick Immortar's series also goes into more detail on the incredibly shameful attempt by the government to downplay and mislead the public by feeding them with false information. It's sickening
It was said elsewhere that the Korean culture of never questioning your supeeriors was why the students did not leave the ship after being told to stay in their rooms, the crew being their superiors and telling them to do something, and cultural norms being to follow it and not question anything which was then compounded by the inaction of the officials as well
The documentary went to pains to hide the identity of the young female officer Park who was essentially responsible for the entire tragedy and went to pains to show the identities of the helmsman Mr. Choe and the captain who were not responsible for this tragedy. Women in the west and in countries affiliated with the west allways get treated differently from the law and the media.
you have to take into consideration that making a public video is a tricky thing, you dont wanna get sued over a comment you made about something etc. (even though unlikely it is possible) so staying kind of "neutral" while still showing and saying how they screwed up is the better way
@@dabootvv I agree...only to an extent. To be factual is to not be slanderous. To "soften" the truth here is promoting the propaganda that lead us here to begin with. Whats more, its an act of complete disregard to all the victims, esp the families. Please, Hear me out: Can you imagine standing on a pier being told everyone was evacuated, only to discover thats not true? Can you imagine being told hundreds were working on evacuations, as you sit on a private boat, in the dark and see no one? And later, that help was offered from the US Navy ship nearby, literally loaded with the best equipment and highest trained personnel for this very kind of rescue, but were told no - go away? The families learned that their own government, whom they were loyal and lived by OBEDIENTLY were not only betraying them, but doing so by killing their children? And to have the news media call treat them like they're crazy? They fought for Years for any accountability from the government. It took years before the world learned some of the truth. But theres more. If thats not whats told, then what is the point?
I don't get what the incentive was for the captain to not tell people to leave the ship. It would've been so simple to do before he escaped and he probably wouldn't be rotting in prison for the rest of his life if he gave the order.
He was obviously worried about shifting more weight too quickly. He maybe thought it was recoverable. Seems it was doomed from the start and as the captain he should never have left port. The ship was clearly overloaded. How this can happen in this day and age is a disgrace. The captain wasn’t the only one at fault. Sad because I bet the captain and his crew were forced into that situation. The ceo of the company and operations manager should have been given life sentences for allowing this to happen
Many times catastrophes like this that start off manageable but end up getting horrifically worse are caused by PRIDE, the boss doesn't want to admit that he's lost control or that he needs help until it's well beyond too late. I see it in all industries. people in positions of authority get huge egos and are afraid to admit failure, mistakes, or needing help because they fear losing their lofty position.
@@ElvenJustice I agree with the exception of the aviation industry in Europe. Pilots used to act exactly like you say, but due to modern rules and regulations, they can no longer get away with it. I think in this case, the captain should have refused to depart overloaded. He was doomed from the start and there is no excuses for it. The operations manager and ceo plus the loadmaster are all liable too. The captain is just part of the pie.
TODAY is the 10th anniversary of this horrific tragedy. Those poor kids thought they were going on a wonderful adventure but due to insane greed and incompetence they never got home. RIP. Those poor families were gaslit by the Korean govt over and over and over.
I don’t care what the PA system says. I’m going to head out and assess the situation myself and then act accordingly. I’m going to observe people and employees to see their panic level, then I’m going to a safe place where I feel I won’t be trapped if the ship is sinking. I’m not just waiting in my room on a lower deck while the ship is listing!
That's the culture of the entire west ! We locked ourselves in our homes for over a year because of what we were being told. Not a single person locked themselves into their home because of conditions that they saw with heir own eyes, it was all based on what they were told by their favorite 24hr news channel !
@@sirensynapse5603Wow, dude. That was unbelievably insensitive. Are you implying that these children died because they were on their phones and not because their adults told them to stay put and failed them at every turn? Did you not hear him describe what the kids were saying?
@@sirensynapse5603 while true especially now, the disaster happened in 2014 when the appification of everything hadn't fully taken hold yet. He was right in saying its due to the authoritarian culture in Korea. It still holds true today as we saw more people in western countries object and reject the authoritarian push for the covid "vaccine"
You totally missed the real story behind this tragedy when you glossed over the marble tiles. Mango Rot really does a great job of exposing the corruption behind lack of repairs to this ship.
I remember crying when I saw this on the news. I was so furious. If anyone is interested in a long deep-dive of the Seowl Ferry, I recommend Stephanie Soo's video on it. She not only goes into the incident but also the cultural factors that lead to certain decisions being made, the media response and the horrible people protesting the parents of dead student's protesting the government. Think Sandyhook Massacre harassment level. It's truly infuriating on every level possible and Stephanie Soo pretty much answers every question one could have of it.
Rotten Mango is the channel. You're absolutely right about her coverage of this. As is everything the do on that channel, it was very spot on. I also highly recommend watching The Diving Bell, documentary. It gives a closer first hand perception and coverage of the many betrayals done to these victims.
It must be no genders among officers in command, only line of command. If she was start crying before even all become really bad - she is not officer, just a scary to death woman
This is your captain speaking, please remain in your coffins, I mean rooms, until the ship sinks completely. Seriously though, it’s extremely unfortunate that the captain and crew made it off at all. Sad incident created by fools.
I remember hearing about this... I mean these ferries sink a lot, but I remember two facts: filled with schoolkids and the crew telling them to stay in their cabins and not leave their rooms until told. So sad.
I've only ever been on a couple of overnight sailings, both times I slept on the deck. I cannot imagine being too far from any exit door yet alone way down below deck. Those poor obedient babies. In this day and age how does a ship full of innocents NOT have enough life boats? Obviously 1000s of past lost lives has changed nothing.
In this case lifeboats on the ship itself were not launched, the ship was at such an angle that the lifeboats on the side that ended pointing almost up to the sky could not have been used whilst those on the other side were effectively under water, if the crew had given the order to abandon ship then a lot more people should have survived, the crew really were to blame at least those on the bridge were
I worked with a Korean man here in Ontario Canada in an engineering office. He was so terrified of authority that he would stay at his desk until exactly 12:00 before rising to take his lunch. At exactly 12:30 he went straight back to work. In the evening, he would sit at his desk until everyone in the office left before he dared leave. Some nights I would stay late and do overtime to finish some work and he would be there standing at his desk waiting for me to leave first despite him not being paid for overtime. That poor prick was totally brain washed and terrified of life in general.
@@davidorf3921Those at the bridge were the young female officer Park who was in complete charge of the vessel at the time when things started to go wrong. Despite her causing the disaster, her face was never shown in this documentary but the face of the captains was shown. The captain was made a scapegoat to protect that inexperienced woman.
I appreciate very much that you and Brick Immortar have these differing retelling of events, focusing on different but equally important aspects! Thankyou for yet another great video!
11:36 the miscommunication that caused the captain to turn the wheel back to port is the most frustrating thing to hear due to its sheer stupidity I’m so glad to hear the captain got life in prison for this tragedy.
It was not the captain who turned the wheel , it was Choe the third in command. The young woman Park gave the orders on deck which led to the vessel making that critical turn which eventually sank the ferry. The captain was off duty when it happened.
@@den264 regardless of who was who, the fact that the ship was already listing so aggressively and the lack of skill and knowledge to not recognise this and turn the wheel in the direction of the list is ridiculous mate
@@den264 That's irrelevant. Also, the captain has the authority to change the watch scheduling. The captain bares the weight of the responsibility. The fact he was the first person rescued in his god damn underwear is proof of his grotesque negligence. He alone had the ultimate responsibility and charge to ensure the safety of all 300 students. Instead he orders the children he's supposed to be saving to remain in their cabins and then runs off the ship in his underwear along with all the ships crew. 300 children literally ordered to sit and die. His guilt in this case is immeasurable, and the young woman was under trained and ill equipped for the situation. She should have never been at the helm and this is literally the captains fault so he could instead sleep the difficult leg of the journey off. Last, the dude turning the wheel is a moron. That's like your car turning to go off a cliff and turning into it because someone said something you couldn't comprehend.
what the captain got had nothing to do with justice or law, whilst he does bear a great degree of responsibility, he was destroyed as part of a political war utilizing and fanning the rage at the sinking of the Sewol... a tool to use against Pak and Pak's government. this is similar to how the genuine horror & travesty of WW1 was used (by the radicals) to light the fires of the Russian revolution of 1917... so no I am not glad the captain got life... even if he disserved it, he was not given a proper trail or punished on the merit of his crime
Another sad but great story from my favorite site. What a very sad story to tell. Thank you for enlightening us all to NOT listen to the loud speaker when your ship is sinking. 😉👍😉👍
It's literally the Coast of Concordia all over again! Most of the deceased were children, families have LOST their kids, they nearly snuffed a freaking generation and wanted to downplay it, let that sink in O.o
Its so heart breaking to see so much negligence and complacency by those who take peoples lives into their own hands. We see this a lot in aviation too. I’ve seen fellow pilots make stupid decisions and needlessly put themselves and others at risk. Regardless of whether we’re a pilot, a ships captain, or just an everyday person, we all can do better and make better decisions to avoid needless death.
I can't believe this what I've just viewed how terrible all down to pure greed get more people on more vehicles on incompetent new captain employed because the first was a whistle blower absolutely disgusting feel so sorry for those poor people so sad rip to you all should never be allowed to happen again 😢 🙏
These titles are like news stories to get your attention so you read or watch-- someone was paid to falsify documents…. But this guy does his stories far better than most producers
The captain chose not to launch the lifeboats after coastguard told him it would take an hour to get there. As it happens a helicopter got there quickly.
Another high quality episode! My favorite YT channel. I like the calamities with a happy outcome best, but all of the stories are very well researched and delivered. Thanks again!
Apparently in another documentary on this they said that the shipping company regularly overloaded the ship because they earned more money from the cargo and vehicles than they did from passengers and didn't really like taking passengers. The shipping companies history of keeping their ships in a safe working condition was never a priority throughout the whole fleet . The poor students were left to die by a bunch of heartless evil cowards who were only concerned about their own lives and that includes the so called people involved in the pathetic rescue attempt and the parents were constantly lied to by the cowards in charge of the rescue and by the evil cowardly leader of the country . Nobody in authority gave a shit about those poor children, i just can't even begin to imagine the horror and panic those poor children were left to deal with. God rest all their soul's ❤❤❤
Ina weird way Estonia and Sweol share som similarites. Papers beeing lost regarding the ships , in Estonias case it was the safety of the bow design which was lost between the finnish and the Swedish Maritime regulation office. Estonia wasnt built to handle open waters she was built to sail only between Stockholm - Åland - Helsinki and she would need a strengthed bow construction if she was to change sailing areas, this was not known by the Companies but only by the Shipyard and the governments for some damn reason. Both designs of the ships was directly a part of the sinkings. After the sinkings both have been swarmed with diffrent claims of Submarines beeing the culprit or bombs beeing the reason. The governments involved Especially the Swedish Socialdemocrats and the South Korean one manufactured many excuses to not raise the dead or the ships and also covering and silencing critical voices. Infact it was quite scary for me personally to hear the Koran Government using the exact same lines as the Swedish did in the mid to late 90's. Lastly There was another Ferry which sank just 1.5 years before Estonia in the baltics namely M/S Jan Heweliusz and we also had the Scandinavian Star horror close to where i live on the Swedish West coast just a few years earlier. Both of them would be quite decent material for a video. Best regards.
Thank you for your research and sharing this utterly heartbreaking story with your audience. May the world never forget their tragic fate. May the victims rest in peace.
This is one of those incidents that need more time to explain. The coastguard only saved the crew and then sat back and watched, the whole coastguard was disbanded because of this. The only boats trying to rescue kids were fishing boats, and I heard that the order to stay in cabins was a message played on loop. The parents were lied to constantly, first they were told everyone was rescued, then they said they thought there was only the crew was on board. There is a very good documentary by a channel called 'Rotten Mangoes' that goes much deeper into this crime, it's was a heartbreaking day for a country that has had to endure quite a few incidents like this. So sad!
I watched the video by rotten mangoes, it barely explains the accident. 95% of the video is just about the rescue. Most of what she says about the accident is just "They steered the boat too much, they should have steered it less. That's why it flipped". Thats basically it. All the rest is just about the passengers, the rescue and the aftermath.
I'm from USA. I remember saying many prayers for the lost children and for strength for their parents. Anticipating pain from loss and harassment from patriots of Koria.
Remember that mariners who sail on passenger ships during their licensing original and renewals are required to take a course called "Crowd Management". This is where they learn to assure passengers everything is under control even if it is not true. As you can see, this kind of instruction to paxs together with no follow up when things turn for the worst is a recipe for disaster. At the end of the day, you as a passenger and human being are responsible for your own safety.
I cannot fathom how captain and crew can abandon ship FIRST, and leave passengers stranded there. I mean, I get it, we are all humans trying to survive and don't want to perish, but when you sign up to be a captain/deckhand/etc., you KNOW and TAKE the risk that there is a possibility of a disaster, however small, and that then you will HAVE to be there to assist passengers. Sure, it's not as dangerous/risks aren't as guaranteed as when you are a firefighter or a policeman, but for a captain and crew to abandon ship and leave passengers there essentially to die is about as grave of an offense as if a policeman would refuse to intercept a suspect or a firefighter refusing to go into the fire saving civilians "because it's too dangerous". I get it, not everyone is fit for these kinds of jobs, but if you do apply, then you should count with the possibility of such happenings.
Every vid I watch on the sewol makes me so fuckin angry, but the messages between the passenger and his brother at 21:19 is heartbreaking to read.. his brother kept telling him to trust the crew and “do as they say” , when “they” were outside saving themselves like cowards 🤬.. Even after the vessel sank, they didn’t even TRY to save anyone else.. they literally said they were going to pump air in to try and help anyone still surviving in air pockets, then had a single diver dive down with a single hose to make it look like they were trying to pump in air.. the president herself stayed at her vacation home or something for hours after the sinking started .. the amount of corruption surrounding this event is staggering, considering it involved the death of 304 kids and teachers… They treated the families of the victims like they were less than human, and gave them absolutely NO ANSWERS WHATSOEVER!!
Another quality post, thank you. @Waterline Stories fans - there's a new feature length doco about Costa Concordia with lots of first person accounts, interviews with key staff and witnesses... I was shocked, it is worth watching. For mariners or people who appreciate the learnings from accidents, CRM was a major factor here. Aviation addressed/mitigated similar issues decades ago and shipping acted after CC but I highly recommend this doco. It is not more of the same. I watched on Sky Doco channel from Ireland so presume also available via Sky elsewhere... Worth finding.
When you are in a situation where you are given instructions by an authority figure during a time of danger you need to weigh the consequences of following instructions or doing what you want Instead. If the outcome of following directions is worse than the consequences of disobeying, fuck what the captain says and get off the ship. People in the water even without a life jacket would have been able to be rescued from the water before hypothermia. I think of the times I was told that my tendency to rebel when I knew that authority was not working towards my best interest was a flaw of character. I know that if I were a teenager on that ship and I was instructed to remain in my cabin, once it occured to me that I wanted off the ship nothing could be done to keep me from getting off the ship. I would have refused to subject myself to sit tight on the wall of my cabin and feel the anxiety, fear, panic, and sheer horror of going down with a sinking ship. That must have been such a nasty feeling being young and with all your classmates seeing the water coming in and at some point coming to realize that you are not going to be rescued and you don't know how to get out and you are going to drown and everyone else around you can't help you. The cell phone conversations from those talking to family and friends must have been unbearable as the call ended.
Since the beer bug thing, no one should follow blindly to orders any more. The world has changed and the one in charge can be the greatest enemies to man kind.
It's amazing how cowardly he managed to look. Most men would have got off the boat in a low key fashion, at least. This guy went out of his way to show cowardice.
12:47 this is why you shouldnt allow women in such critical positions. Their natural reaction to high stress and fearful situations is to cry and/or scream, its due to evolutionary psychology. Back then it was a useful reaction to alert the men of the tribe to danger. It still exists, as do many other such base reactions in both men and women. You might have heard of the "fight or flight response", but that applies mostly to men. Women have a "tend & befriend" response instead, since theyre not meant to fight. A few thousand years of civilization is nothing compared to millions of years of evolution.
Sorry, but I think you did a disservice of just how extreme the level of institutional corruption and incompetence was and how it contributed to the essentially non-existent rescue. The korean coast guard and military for example first had RAMEN NOODLE DINNER when they arrived at the scene. They were entirely preoccupied with appearing busy and reporting success while not only doing nothing to rescue, but actually kept civilians from attempting rescue. A US Navy ship with all the equipment and men for a large scale naval rescue were nearby, but they were prohibited from helping. It truly, TRULY beggars belief, just how criminally incompetent the authorities on every level were.
Disservice? He is doing a high-level overview of the incident. This isn't Brick Immortar, he doesn't have 2 hours to flesh out every single detail. It gives the highlights and a good bit of detail were needed. He even makes the disclaimer at the start that this video may not be all-encompassing and if you have more or better information, to leave a comment.
@@CorruptNova just a couple of lines could have conveyed the extreme level of incompetence that led to THAT MANY casualties. Like "before delving into the rescue operation, it must be noted, that despite the crews incompetence, most if not all passengers could have been rescued, were it not for the unbelievable degree of corruption and incompetence on the side of the authorities."
@@kayjay7585 It's pretty clear through the overarching video that this was a fucked rescue and government response. Just because the video doesn't have your pet grievances in it doesn't make it a disservice. It does enough that if the person watching is interested, they'll go looking for more information on their own.
I was heartbroken when I heard about this 💔 We suddenly lost my 5 year old niece almost 10 years ago & that pain is something I wouldn't wish on anyone!!! My heart still goes out to the parents & families of all those students who were given irresponsible orders by the captain & crew 😢
So it wasn't actually parks fault it was the person who made two turns opposite her last command given on his own causing his stupid self to then turn back into the list of the ship when she said turn the opposite of her last command smh he killed them kids by not following her orders to begin with and then because he made a decision with out her knowing when she gave him another command it caused the opposite of what she needed and expected to be done become the outcome. Whoever was at the helm was entirely responsible
This is the event that people can point to and say that at least Costa Concordia wasn’t this. I’d mostly chalk it up to proximity to shore (and thus shallower depth) and efficiency of authorities in responding.
Whether it's a situation like this, or a fire, or an earthquake in a large hotel.... follow your instincts. What they tell you on the public address system is what their lawyers tell them they are supposed to say to prevent lawsuits.
There’s a scuba diver who posted a video of the body recovery of this wreck somewhere here on TH-cam. Surprised they let it stay up. Most of the deceased persons nearly rocket straight up when freed from the wreckage. They look alive and making an incredible leap for a breath of air. Then you remember what you are watching. Babies floating in the hallways….elderly people who look even more frail than normal….I don’t know how they can do it (recovery) and not be completely ripped inside out. Yes, it’s a little bit graphic, but there’s nothing up close. But it is by far the most impactful video to dissuade unsafe behavior and should be required viewing by all crew of commercial shipping in my opinion. It really shows the impact bad decisions can have. Humans don’t imagine very well across the board, but seeing a real video reaches everyone across the board.
Thanks for being a human based channel with a lovely host‼️I always learn something from you, and I appreciate the distraction from the reality that we’re all gonna die one day. 😅👏🏽🫶🏽
The older I get the more wary of inspections and reports I get. I didn’t think Korea was one of those countries where a little reward would take care of a paperwork deficiency. They should have made a real point here to scare the hell out of the next soft inspector.
A very bad sequence of events, from bad ship modifications, to government neglection of duty and not enforcement of safety standards, to bad seamanship results in a catastrophe. This was horribly sad event, and should not have happened.
I would’ve been one of the poor kids sitting in terror but following instructions, trusting the adults. This story always absolutely guts me. But it must be told and remembered.
This, the Concordia, and a few events which have taken place in recent years really demonstrate the difference between Military qualifications and practices VS Civilian. I was the Helmsman/Special Evolutions Helmsman. Clear and concise communication was/is paramount. A Junior Officer on duty gave me an order which put me on the otherside of a cargo ship during UNREP. I stated/replied, Orders to the Helm 3 times, upon the 3rd time the response was "this is the Captian, I have the Con" and the JO was physically removed from the Bridge. Also, in such matters the Captian best be the last one off the ship.
In all the details that were wrong, the coast guard instructed the crew to tell the passengers to use more clothing to protect....from the cold of the water. Did i hear it right? 17:00
As a Navy veteran, I’ve never heard anyone saying “turn in opposite direction.” All course change commands will always include direction of “port or starboard” to eliminate this issue. She’s clearly unqualified to be an officer, or any sailor! I am 100% certain she got the position on her knees or because of diversity requirements. This is what happens when you don’t always hire the best for the job!
Note to self, if you're on a sinking ship, get off.
Every situation is different sometimes you've just got to make what you think the best decision is
don't stay under cabin
@@RastaTurbangetting on deck would always be prudent.
@RastaTurban broseph I can't think of a single situation that would render that sentiment an ill advisory...literally . .if it's sinking ..and its not a sub....why tf would you NOT gtfo
can we pin this? :DDD
For future reference. If the ship is listing 20 degrees or more and you are below the main deck or in an interior cabin, GTFO. If you wait below decks until you are walking on walls, you have stayed too long. If you see sea water in the passage way, GTFO. If they tell you to stay put under those conditions, tell them to F-themselves.
Find a life jacket or other flotation device on your way to the main deck (or higher).
If rescue vessels are not on scene when it gets bad, and it is too late for life boats or the crew is as incompetent as the one shown here... Check the video at 20:35... Note the white barrels. Those are inflatable life rafts. There is a leash attached to each one. A good yank will deploy the raft. They should, theoretically deploy automatically when they go under water, but if it is as bad as the picture shows at that time stamp, don't wait.
The only time a ship passageway should be wet is from being mopped.
This is a culture problem, fear of speaking out etc putting way too much faith in other people and governments. Nothing puts the fear of god into me more than Being inside something sinking or underwater… the first sign of a problem I will be on the deck 😅 I will rather jump overboard without a life vest in freezing or shark infested water than sit inside a heavily listing ship. People need to learn if it’s a rational fear, act on it! As in on a sinking ship you will have rational fear as apposed to being having fear due to a harmless spider being near you
Don't go to sea and don't worry.
@@kylrfox They brainwashed those students to LISTEN, and it ended their lives 😤😡
Bless them 🙌🏽🤍🛐
@@lightwarrior432 They were just kids. They're *supposed* to listen to adults, *especially* in an emergency, *especially* if they're scared. We refer to people who learned not to trust adults as kids as "traumatized".
This is one of the hardest shipwreck s to hear about. Those poor kids. They died because they listened
Yeah and if they would have said "quick everyone to the top of the ship" causing an imbalance an it to rollover you would be here saying they should have had everyone stay lower in the ship to help out with balance. People act like this was done intentionally to kill high school kids which is just idiotic. By the time anything was ordered (to stay or otherwise) it was probably very unlikely those on the side the ship was listing would be able to get out anyhow with a severe list like they were dealing with.
@@bradsanders407 And no. At the time boat staff realized there was problem if they acted orderly and appropriately there was a severe chance NOBODY died at all.
@@bradsanders407 sometimes its good to not follow orders and just care about your and others lives. In this case the passengers going to the other side would have not made a difference since the cargo shifted
@@bradsanders407. A ship of that tonnage is not likely to be affected by the movement/weight distribution of a few hundred kids.
Korean society is very ordered. Kids are taught to obey instructions. This compounds the problem
out of more than 300 students, only 75 survived... most of the casualties were kids
Victims of obedience.
@@sarikagoode1505 this comment is tooooooo goood man
@@sarikagoode1505 They knew it too. They recovered video from their phones. They talked about risking their lives obeying authority.
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They never saw titanic obviously. A society that worst offense is embarrassing their elders. Yet the very age of their elders is the ages of the captain an crew fleeing first! "Capt goes down w the ship". Is obviously no longer the practice. Note the cruise ship went aground off coast crippled. First thing done was capt went ashore. "To help w the rescue. " Yeah he did or is doing prison time for that one.
Notice how, AGAIN, nobody in management was arrested, even the one that threatened the other captain that was making the instability warnings. Or the people that falsified documents.
This seems to be the norm with ships
law is for people who cant afford to fight it
The then-president of ROK also bungled things up in the wake of the disaster. They were eventually impeached and imprisoned for corruption for unrelated matters, and then the sentence extended as more things came to light.
@@AToolWithToolsShe was pardoned after serving a couple years. I wouldn't really call it justice but her political allies at the time needed leverage....much like the ship.
The difference is she got away.
@@charlesreid9337 It's normal for S.K. The Burning Sun Scandal involving drugging, raping, and trafficking women saw high ranking officials and business people who were never investigated. Part of the evidence was actually seized in 2016 by police and returned to one of the criminals, after the police ordered a forensics analysis. Fortunately, the technician kept a secret copy which was then leaked (in 2019) through lawyers and a human rights commission out of rightfully fearing that police would bury the evidence. The actual list of crimes stretched from 2015 to 2019. High ranking police officials were providing protection. Some of the business clients were from Japan and China. Very few were jailed and the sentences were quite light considering the gravity of the crimes.
There are a lot of people with blood on their hands with this one.
Also, the families of the victims were treated terribly.
Not really ! The young woman Park took total control of the vessel at the most critical time of the voyage and made the crucial mistake which ended with over 300 innocent children dying.
@@den264 Tell me you're a misogynist without telling me you're a misogynist.
Mainly the crew and captain
@@den264Come on, this was an accident waiting to happen!
@@mitchgisborne1369
There are loads of stories like this and for most of them - men are in charge.
Old rich women who dabble in "magick" and are part of a secret society.
Switch out the sex of the person and it's still the same "magick".
I wouldn’t say the rescue effort was desperate, because there basically wasn’t any. All of those vessels spent way WAY too long with their thumbs up their asses because nobody would make a decision. An American vessel capable of rescue was turned away, and American (and other) divers also came to participate in the recovery effort and were all but sabotaged, forcing them to leave for their own safety. It was astoundingly negligent and corrupt.
From what I remember, the foreign rescue divers who offered help included Edd Sorenson, a famed American cave and rescue diver who’s been personally involved in many rescue missions.
@@eliz_scubavn Imagine turning down Edd.
That's called, "saving face". A huge problem in Asian societies... less of a problem in Western societies. For many Koreans, the deaths are less important than the reputational damage to Korea.
Watched another vid on this incident done by a Korean, and that is still putting it lightly. There were all kinds of people who stood around doing jack and shit while also not allowing people who wanted to actually try to help anywhere near the ship. The fishermen who made rescues early on did so ignoring the official vessels telling them to stay away, that were still "scouting" the issue and would not approach.
Brick Immortar has a two-part series on this event on his channel. Incredibly sad watch.
His channel is top notch
Not just sad, but frustrating. There were so many opportunities to avoid this yet it still happened.
Sad, but also one of the most in-depth looks into the situation I've seen to date. Brick Immortar has some amazing videos
His series on this breaks my heart. As a former sailor, I cannot understand the cowardice and inability to act by much of the crew, the coast guard, Navy, politicians. Stability and overloading issues aside, most of these kids could have been saved.
Brick Immortar's series also goes into more detail on the incredibly shameful attempt by the government to downplay and mislead the public by feeding them with false information. It's sickening
Any Western passengers would have grabbed the available life jackets and gone up on deck regardless of instructions.
yep
Not when the crew guard the exit doors with guns
It was said elsewhere that the Korean culture of never questioning your supeeriors was why the students did not leave the ship after being told to stay in their rooms, the crew being their superiors and telling them to do something, and cultural norms being to follow it and not question anything which was then compounded by the inaction of the officials as well
This was a very forgiving portrayal of the crew, government, and rescue attempts. The details are far, far worse than most would ever imagine.
The documentary went to pains to hide the identity of the young female officer Park who was essentially responsible for the entire tragedy and went to pains to show the identities of the helmsman Mr. Choe and the captain who were not responsible for this tragedy. Women in the west and in countries affiliated with the west allways get treated differently from the law and the media.
Odd it is.
You put it much more nicer than I did. Thank you, for also speaking up. I was appalled watching this.
you have to take into consideration that making a public video is a tricky thing, you dont wanna get sued over a comment you made about something etc. (even though unlikely it is possible) so staying kind of "neutral" while still showing and saying how they screwed up is the better way
@@dabootvv I agree...only to an extent. To be factual is to not be slanderous. To "soften" the truth here is promoting the propaganda that lead us here to begin with. Whats more, its an act of complete disregard to all the victims, esp the families.
Please, Hear me out:
Can you imagine standing on a pier being told everyone was evacuated, only to discover thats not true? Can you imagine being told hundreds were working on evacuations, as you sit on a private boat, in the dark and see no one? And later, that help was offered from the US Navy ship nearby, literally loaded with the best equipment and highest trained personnel for this very kind of rescue, but were told no - go away?
The families learned that their own government, whom they were loyal and lived by OBEDIENTLY were not only betraying them, but doing so by killing their children? And to have the news media call treat them like they're crazy? They fought for Years for any accountability from the government. It took years before the world learned some of the truth. But theres more. If thats not whats told, then what is the point?
I don't get what the incentive was for the captain to not tell people to leave the ship. It would've been so simple to do before he escaped and he probably wouldn't be rotting in prison for the rest of his life if he gave the order.
He was obviously worried about shifting more weight too quickly. He maybe thought it was recoverable. Seems it was doomed from the start and as the captain he should never have left port. The ship was clearly overloaded. How this can happen in this day and age is a disgrace. The captain wasn’t the only one at fault. Sad because I bet the captain and his crew were forced into that situation. The ceo of the company and operations manager should have been given life sentences for allowing this to happen
Many times catastrophes like this that start off manageable but end up getting horrifically worse are caused by PRIDE, the boss doesn't want to admit that he's lost control or that he needs help until it's well beyond too late. I see it in all industries. people in positions of authority get huge egos and are afraid to admit failure, mistakes, or needing help because they fear losing their lofty position.
@@ElvenJustice I agree with the exception of the aviation industry in Europe. Pilots used to act exactly like you say, but due to modern rules and regulations, they can no longer get away with it.
I think in this case, the captain should have refused to depart overloaded. He was doomed from the start and there is no excuses for it. The operations manager and ceo plus the loadmaster are all liable too. The captain is just part of the pie.
@@ElvenJustice PRIDE being "saving face" in Asia. The higher the status, the more the pressure to save face.
any captain that isn`t the last soul aboard is no captain
I would most definitely agree with that!! This was a horrible tragedy!!
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True. True. But what if they accidentally fall into a life boat?
@@ronstumpfI would think that they would make every effort to accidentally fall back out
agreed, unless its unintentional. Like fell off the bridge due to impact, or listing.
TODAY is the 10th anniversary of this horrific tragedy. Those poor kids thought they were going on a wonderful adventure but due to insane greed and incompetence they never got home. RIP. Those poor families were gaslit by the Korean govt over and over and over.
I don’t care what the PA system says. I’m going to head out and assess the situation myself and then act accordingly. I’m going to observe people and employees to see their panic level, then I’m going to a safe place where I feel I won’t be trapped if the ship is sinking. I’m not just waiting in my room on a lower deck while the ship is listing!
This is why you don’t blindly follow authority
That's their culture...
@@TriniLush7 Which obviously needs to change. Obedience Culture - is obsolete.
In Korea?
The lady who raised me, as a little girl drilled into me to THINK for myself. That training has saved me more than once during an eventful life.
That's the culture of the entire west ! We locked ourselves in our homes for over a year because of what we were being told. Not a single person locked themselves into their home because of conditions that they saw with heir own eyes, it was all based on what they were told by their favorite 24hr news channel !
When shit hits the fan ALWASY think for yourself and act accordingly- sometimes it truly is everyone for themselves
It’s never a good thing to blindly follow authority. It’s even harder when culturally ingrained.
@@sirensynapse5603Wow, dude. That was unbelievably insensitive. Are you implying that these children died because they were on their phones and not because their adults told them to stay put and failed them at every turn? Did you not hear him describe what the kids were saying?
@@nyanbinary1717 Just ignore the jackass troll.
@@sirensynapse5603 “i am not insensitive” “all those dumb kids won a darwin award” You are insensitive and illiterate.
@@sirensynapse5603 while true especially now, the disaster happened in 2014 when the appification of everything hadn't fully taken hold yet. He was right in saying its due to the authoritarian culture in Korea. It still holds true today as we saw more people in western countries object and reject the authoritarian push for the covid "vaccine"
@@nyanbinary1717 you're a professional victim. Enjoy your prison you'll be there forever.
You totally missed the real story behind this tragedy when you glossed over the marble tiles. Mango Rot really does a great job of exposing the corruption behind lack of repairs to this ship.
I remember crying when I saw this on the news. I was so furious.
If anyone is interested in a long deep-dive of the Seowl Ferry, I recommend Stephanie Soo's video on it. She not only goes into the incident but also the cultural factors that lead to certain decisions being made, the media response and the horrible people protesting the parents of dead student's protesting the government. Think Sandyhook Massacre harassment level. It's truly infuriating on every level possible and Stephanie Soo pretty much answers every question one could have of it.
Rotten Mango is the channel. You're absolutely right about her coverage of this. As is everything the do on that channel, it was very spot on.
I also highly recommend watching The Diving Bell, documentary. It gives a closer first hand perception and coverage of the many betrayals done to these victims.
@@fadingfrost2617 yeah, Rotten Mango! Sorry, I used her name instead of her channel.
fcking corruption/nepotism
What about the officer in command that started to cry? I didn't hear her name amongst the guilty.
Sounds like a 'strong independent woman'
Got to have a screaming amd crying woman in every emergency
It must be no genders among officers in command, only line of command. If she was start crying before even all become really bad - she is not officer, just a scary to death woman
@@jeffreytroublefield4265 Or a lying, lazy, useless male, pretending to be a "captain".
Third mate Park Han-kyul received a ten year prison sentence.
The captain was a coward and a disgrace. The other main crew were extraordinarily incompetent. They should be sued out of existence.
This is your captain speaking, please remain in your coffins, I mean rooms, until the ship sinks completely.
Seriously though, it’s extremely unfortunate that the captain and crew made it off at all. Sad incident created by fools.
I remember hearing about this... I mean these ferries sink a lot, but I remember two facts: filled with schoolkids and the crew telling them to stay in their cabins and not leave their rooms until told.
So sad.
The original captain was spot-on ... Greed took the wheel ... This is the outcome ! Always question authority and use your common sense
This is tough to listen to. They where ashamed and just lied and looked the other way while people wher dieing insted of being rescued
You should research the ferry that is on the ocean floor off East Timor full of Indonesians just ask the UN
I've only ever been on a couple of overnight sailings, both times I slept on the deck. I cannot imagine being too far from any exit door yet alone way down below deck. Those poor obedient babies. In this day and age how does a ship full of innocents NOT have enough life boats? Obviously 1000s of past lost lives has changed nothing.
In this case lifeboats on the ship itself were not launched, the ship was at such an angle that the lifeboats on the side that ended pointing almost up to the sky could not have been used whilst those on the other side were effectively under water, if the crew had given the order to abandon ship then a lot more people should have survived, the crew really were to blame at least those on the bridge were
I worked with a Korean man here in Ontario Canada in an engineering office. He was so terrified of authority that he would stay at his desk until exactly 12:00 before rising to take his lunch. At exactly 12:30 he went straight back to work. In the evening, he would sit at his desk until everyone in the office left before he dared leave. Some nights I would stay late and do overtime to finish some work and he would be there standing at his desk waiting for me to leave first despite him not being paid for overtime. That poor prick was totally brain washed and terrified of life in general.
@@davidorf3921Those at the bridge were the young female officer Park who was in complete charge of the vessel at the time when things started to go wrong. Despite her causing the disaster, her face was never shown in this documentary but the face of the captains was shown. The captain was made a scapegoat to protect that inexperienced woman.
@@den264 Afraid to speak out even though I'm not sure what the repercussions of acceptable non compliance are. It's subservient to literally, a fault.
The Titanic wasn't a Korean ship.
I appreciate very much that you and Brick Immortar have these differing retelling of events, focusing on different but equally important aspects! Thankyou for yet another great video!
👍🏻 Thanks, I really appreciate that
11:36 the miscommunication that caused the captain to turn the wheel back to port is the most frustrating thing to hear due to its sheer stupidity
I’m so glad to hear the captain got life in prison for this tragedy.
That;s why you ALWAYS use clear, concise, exact terminology when giving orders. Leave no room for mistake or misunderstanding.
It was not the captain who turned the wheel , it was Choe the third in command. The young woman Park gave the orders on deck which led to the vessel making that critical turn which eventually sank the ferry. The captain was off duty when it happened.
@@den264 regardless of who was who, the fact that the ship was already listing so aggressively and the lack of skill and knowledge to not recognise this and turn the wheel in the direction of the list is ridiculous mate
@@den264 That's irrelevant. Also, the captain has the authority to change the watch scheduling. The captain bares the weight of the responsibility. The fact he was the first person rescued in his god damn underwear is proof of his grotesque negligence. He alone had the ultimate responsibility and charge to ensure the safety of all 300 students. Instead he orders the children he's supposed to be saving to remain in their cabins and then runs off the ship in his underwear along with all the ships crew. 300 children literally ordered to sit and die. His guilt in this case is immeasurable, and the young woman was under trained and ill equipped for the situation. She should have never been at the helm and this is literally the captains fault so he could instead sleep the difficult leg of the journey off.
Last, the dude turning the wheel is a moron. That's like your car turning to go off a cliff and turning into it because someone said something you couldn't comprehend.
what the captain got had nothing to do with justice or law, whilst he does bear a great degree of responsibility, he was destroyed as part of a political war utilizing and fanning the rage at the sinking of the Sewol... a tool to use against Pak and Pak's government.
this is similar to how the genuine horror & travesty of WW1 was used (by the radicals) to light the fires of the Russian revolution of 1917...
so no
I am not glad the captain got life... even if he disserved it, he was not given a proper trail or punished on the merit of his crime
Another sad but great story from my favorite site. What a very sad story to tell. Thank you for enlightening us all to NOT listen to the loud speaker when your ship is sinking. 😉👍😉👍
It's literally the Coast of Concordia all over again! Most of the deceased were children, families have LOST their kids, they nearly snuffed a freaking generation and wanted to downplay it, let that sink in O.o
Its so heart breaking to see so much negligence and complacency by those who take peoples lives into their own hands. We see this a lot in aviation too. I’ve seen fellow pilots make stupid decisions and needlessly put themselves and others at risk. Regardless of whether we’re a pilot, a ships captain, or just an everyday person, we all can do better and make better decisions to avoid needless death.
I can't believe this what I've just viewed how terrible all down to pure greed get more people on more vehicles on incompetent new captain employed because the first was a whistle blower absolutely disgusting feel so sorry for those poor people so sad rip to you all should never be allowed to happen again 😢 🙏
I've been a sea captain for 40 years. The starboard side of the vessel had to much weight. Rrrrr!
This is heart breaking.
What is the title about? Reads like the captain was paid specifically to kill them…
Wondering the same, I didn't hear it addressed at all in the video unless I missed it.
Yeah this channel uses clickbait asf titles
Is no crickbait. He no speaka Engrish two good.
These titles are like news stories to get your attention so you read or watch-- someone was paid to falsify documents…. But this guy does his stories far better than most producers
The captain chose not to launch the lifeboats after coastguard told him it would take an hour to get there. As it happens a helicopter got there quickly.
Stephanie Soo did a great video about the response to this sinking.
i've seen the Rotten Mango episode about this tragedy. she also talks a lot about the cultural aspects, since she's Korean herself
One of the saddest cases I’ve heard of.
Another high quality episode! My favorite YT channel. I like the calamities with a happy outcome best, but all of the stories are very well researched and delivered. Thanks again!
Apparently in another documentary on this they said that the shipping company regularly overloaded the ship because they earned more money from the cargo and vehicles than they did from passengers and didn't really like taking passengers.
The shipping companies history of keeping their ships in a safe working condition was never a priority throughout the whole fleet .
The poor students were left to die by a bunch of heartless evil cowards who were only concerned about their own lives and that includes the so called people involved in the pathetic rescue attempt and the parents were constantly lied to by the cowards in charge of the rescue and by the evil cowardly leader of the country .
Nobody in authority gave a shit about those poor children, i just can't even begin to imagine the horror and panic those poor children were left to deal with.
God rest all their soul's ❤❤❤
This is one of the worst maritime diasasters. Im glad the crew were jailed for their almost unbelieveable actions. Tears for lost.RIP
Man, those text messages were heartwrenching
Ina weird way Estonia and Sweol share som similarites.
Papers beeing lost regarding the ships , in Estonias case it was the safety of the bow design which was lost between the finnish and the Swedish Maritime regulation office.
Estonia wasnt built to handle open waters she was built to sail only between Stockholm - Åland - Helsinki and she would need a strengthed bow construction if she was to change sailing areas, this was not known by the Companies but only by the Shipyard and the governments for some damn reason.
Both designs of the ships was directly a part of the sinkings.
After the sinkings both have been swarmed with diffrent claims of Submarines beeing the culprit or bombs beeing the reason.
The governments involved Especially the Swedish Socialdemocrats and the South Korean one manufactured many excuses to not raise the dead or the ships and also covering and silencing critical voices.
Infact it was quite scary for me personally to hear the Koran Government using the exact same lines as the Swedish did in the mid to late 90's.
Lastly There was another Ferry which sank just 1.5 years before Estonia in the baltics namely M/S Jan Heweliusz
and we also had the Scandinavian Star horror close to where i live on the Swedish West coast just a few years earlier.
Both of them would be quite decent material for a video.
Best regards.
Thank you for your research and sharing this utterly heartbreaking story with your audience. May the world never forget their tragic fate. May the victims rest in peace.
This is one of those incidents that need more time to explain. The coastguard only saved the crew and then sat back and watched, the whole coastguard was disbanded because of this. The only boats trying to rescue kids were fishing boats, and I heard that the order to stay in cabins was a message played on loop. The parents were lied to constantly, first they were told everyone was rescued, then they said they thought there was only the crew was on board. There is a very good documentary by a channel called 'Rotten Mangoes' that goes much deeper into this crime, it's was a heartbreaking day for a country that has had to endure quite a few incidents like this. So sad!
compounding this is the disgusting response by the government after the fact.
I watched the video by rotten mangoes, it barely explains the accident. 95% of the video is just about the rescue. Most of what she says about the accident is just "They steered the boat too much, they should have steered it less. That's why it flipped". Thats basically it. All the rest is just about the passengers, the rescue and the aftermath.
I'm from USA. I remember saying many prayers for the lost children and for strength for their parents. Anticipating pain from loss and harassment from patriots of Koria.
I’m sure you talking to yourself helped the dead children immensely
Remember that mariners who sail on passenger ships during their licensing original and renewals are required to take a course called "Crowd Management". This is where they learn to assure passengers everything is under control even if it is not true. As you can see, this kind of instruction to paxs together with no follow up when things turn for the worst is a recipe for disaster. At the end of the day, you as a passenger and human being are responsible for your own safety.
I cannot fathom how captain and crew can abandon ship FIRST, and leave passengers stranded there. I mean, I get it, we are all humans trying to survive and don't want to perish, but when you sign up to be a captain/deckhand/etc., you KNOW and TAKE the risk that there is a possibility of a disaster, however small, and that then you will HAVE to be there to assist passengers. Sure, it's not as dangerous/risks aren't as guaranteed as when you are a firefighter or a policeman, but for a captain and crew to abandon ship and leave passengers there essentially to die is about as grave of an offense as if a policeman would refuse to intercept a suspect or a firefighter refusing to go into the fire saving civilians "because it's too dangerous". I get it, not everyone is fit for these kinds of jobs, but if you do apply, then you should count with the possibility of such happenings.
I am glad those responsible were dealt with. God bless those lost n their families.
Captain had a huge responsibility for $2.5k/month…
Absolutely heartbreaking, no punishment would be harsh enough. Can’t imagine the parents grief.
May they rest in peace.
Every vid I watch on the sewol makes me so fuckin angry, but the messages between the passenger and his brother at 21:19 is heartbreaking to read.. his brother kept telling him to trust the crew and “do as they say” , when “they” were outside saving themselves like cowards 🤬..
Even after the vessel sank, they didn’t even TRY to save anyone else.. they literally said they were going to pump air in to try and help anyone still surviving in air pockets, then had a single diver dive down with a single hose to make it look like they were trying to pump in air..
the president herself stayed at her vacation home or something for hours after the sinking started .. the amount of corruption surrounding this event is staggering, considering it involved the death of 304 kids and teachers…
They treated the families of the victims like they were less than human, and gave them absolutely NO ANSWERS WHATSOEVER!!
Another quality post, thank you.
@Waterline Stories fans - there's a new feature length doco about Costa Concordia with lots of first person accounts, interviews with key staff and witnesses...
I was shocked, it is worth watching.
For mariners or people who appreciate the learnings from accidents, CRM was a major factor here. Aviation addressed/mitigated similar issues decades ago and shipping acted after CC but I highly recommend this doco. It is not more of the same.
I watched on Sky Doco channel from Ireland so presume also available via Sky elsewhere...
Worth finding.
Called 'The Sinking of the Costa Concordia'
When you are in a situation where you are given instructions by an authority figure during a time of danger you need to weigh the consequences of following instructions or doing what you want Instead. If the outcome of following directions is worse than the consequences of disobeying, fuck what the captain says and get off the ship. People in the water even without a life jacket would have been able to be rescued from the water before hypothermia. I think of the times I was told that my tendency to rebel when I knew that authority was not working towards my best interest was a flaw of character. I know that if I were a teenager on that ship and I was instructed to remain in my cabin, once it occured to me that I wanted off the ship nothing could be done to keep me from getting off the ship. I would have refused to subject myself to sit tight on the wall of my cabin and feel the anxiety, fear, panic, and sheer horror of going down with a sinking ship. That must have been such a nasty feeling being young and with all your classmates seeing the water coming in and at some point coming to realize that you are not going to be rescued and you don't know how to get out and you are going to drown and everyone else around you can't help you. The cell phone conversations from those talking to family and friends must have been unbearable as the call ended.
Since the beer bug thing, no one should follow blindly to orders any more. The world has changed and the one in charge can be the greatest enemies to man kind.
My understanding is that the diving operation following the sinking was pretty wild. Would love your take on those stories in particular
It's amazing how cowardly he managed to look. Most men would have got off the boat in a low key fashion, at least. This guy went out of his way to show cowardice.
Anyone else muttering get off the ship! To themselves?
I appreciate that you clarified that some parts were condensed.
12:47 this is why you shouldnt allow women in such critical positions. Their natural reaction to high stress and fearful situations is to cry and/or scream, its due to evolutionary psychology. Back then it was a useful reaction to alert the men of the tribe to danger. It still exists, as do many other such base reactions in both men and women. You might have heard of the "fight or flight response", but that applies mostly to men. Women have a "tend & befriend" response instead, since theyre not meant to fight.
A few thousand years of civilization is nothing compared to millions of years of evolution.
Great video! Very informative!
"There's water in my cabin? I better stay put!" weird logic, sad to see so many have perished :(
Sewal is salvaged in one piece, in order to recover the remaining bodies, the ship is now in the port of MOKPO car terminal on shore as a monument
Sorry, but I think you did a disservice of just how extreme the level of institutional corruption and incompetence was and how it contributed to the essentially non-existent rescue.
The korean coast guard and military for example first had RAMEN NOODLE DINNER when they arrived at the scene. They were entirely preoccupied with appearing busy and reporting success while not only doing nothing to rescue, but actually kept civilians from attempting rescue.
A US Navy ship with all the equipment and men for a large scale naval rescue were nearby, but they were prohibited from helping.
It truly, TRULY beggars belief, just how criminally incompetent the authorities on every level were.
Disservice? He is doing a high-level overview of the incident. This isn't Brick Immortar, he doesn't have 2 hours to flesh out every single detail. It gives the highlights and a good bit of detail were needed. He even makes the disclaimer at the start that this video may not be all-encompassing and if you have more or better information, to leave a comment.
@@CorruptNova just a couple of lines could have conveyed the extreme level of incompetence that led to THAT MANY casualties.
Like "before delving into the rescue operation, it must be noted, that despite the crews incompetence, most if not all passengers could have been rescued, were it not for the unbelievable degree of corruption and incompetence on the side of the authorities."
@@kayjay7585 It's pretty clear through the overarching video that this was a fucked rescue and government response. Just because the video doesn't have your pet grievances in it doesn't make it a disservice. It does enough that if the person watching is interested, they'll go looking for more information on their own.
@@CorruptNova nah man. This isn't about my pet grievances. And I am only criticising this, because I respect this creator so much.
@@CorruptNova Uhh are you okay?
This one makes me feel sick. It's such a horrific story, those poor poor kids and their families.
I was heartbroken when I heard about this 💔 We suddenly lost my 5 year old niece almost 10 years ago & that pain is something I wouldn't wish on anyone!!! My heart still goes out to the parents & families of all those students who were given irresponsible orders by the captain & crew 😢
I had seen this before on brick immotar....Incredibly sad and annoying.
Tell me to stay stuck in a cabin on a sinking ship, i dare you
My flight or fight response wouldn’t let me just sit there in a room to drown
So it wasn't actually parks fault it was the person who made two turns opposite her last command given on his own causing his stupid self to then turn back into the list of the ship when she said turn the opposite of her last command smh he killed them kids by not following her orders to begin with and then because he made a decision with out her knowing when she gave him another command it caused the opposite of what she needed and expected to be done become the outcome. Whoever was at the helm was entirely responsible
A helmsman should never be given an instruction like "turn the opposite way". Port and Starboard are used to avoid this exact scenario.
Another great video. Unfortunately big companies don't listen and hope for the best. It should never have sailed. 😢
“Wow look there’s water rising in this hallway. I guess I’ll stay here.”
This is the event that people can point to and say that at least Costa Concordia wasn’t this. I’d mostly chalk it up to proximity to shore (and thus shallower depth) and efficiency of authorities in responding.
One thing I learned is never listen to a ship’s crew in an emergency. Ever
Whether it's a situation like this, or a fire, or an earthquake in a large hotel.... follow your instincts. What they tell you on the public address system is what their lawyers tell them they are supposed to say to prevent lawsuits.
There’s a scuba diver who posted a video of the body recovery of this wreck somewhere here on TH-cam. Surprised they let it stay up. Most of the deceased persons nearly rocket straight up when freed from the wreckage. They look alive and making an incredible leap for a breath of air. Then you remember what you are watching. Babies floating in the hallways….elderly people who look even more frail than normal….I don’t know how they can do it (recovery) and not be completely ripped inside out. Yes, it’s a little bit graphic, but there’s nothing up close. But it is by far the most impactful video to dissuade unsafe behavior and should be required viewing by all crew of commercial shipping in my opinion. It really shows the impact bad decisions can have. Humans don’t imagine very well across the board, but seeing a real video reaches everyone across the board.
Rip to this kids I am sorry on those that were supposed to protect you failed you totally heartbreaking and infuriating.
Thanks for being a human based channel with a lovely host‼️I always learn something from you, and I appreciate the distraction from the reality that we’re all gonna die one day. 😅👏🏽🫶🏽
Never ignore your own your gut feeling
The older I get the more wary of inspections and reports I get. I didn’t think Korea was one of those countries where a little reward would take care of a paperwork deficiency. They should have made a real point here to scare the hell out of the next soft inspector.
Wait, wasn't Park the leader who was controlled by literal witches?
The fact that the captain allowed himself to be rescued while anyone went down with his ship is infuriating!
That’s a pretty good freakin deal for the buyer.
Babe wake up; waterline stories just posted
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A very bad sequence of events, from bad ship modifications, to government neglection of duty and not enforcement of safety standards, to bad seamanship results in a catastrophe. This was horribly sad event, and should not have happened.
Terrible incident, may all learn from this😢
Thank you for sharing.
This is so tragic, may their souls rest in peace.
This story breaks my heart 💔 so avoidable in so many ways xx
"Captain schettino, get back on that ship!"
I can't believe they gave no call to abandon immediately! Listing 30 degrees! C'mon!
I would’ve been one of the poor kids sitting in terror but following instructions, trusting the adults. This story always absolutely guts me. But it must be told and remembered.
$2500 per month to be responsible for a Ship? 🚢? Uh no that's not enough money
This, the Concordia, and a few events which have taken place in recent years really demonstrate the difference between Military qualifications and practices VS Civilian. I was the Helmsman/Special Evolutions Helmsman. Clear and concise communication was/is paramount. A Junior Officer on duty gave me an order which put me on the otherside of a cargo ship during UNREP. I stated/replied, Orders to the Helm 3 times, upon the 3rd time the response was "this is the Captian, I have the Con" and the JO was physically removed from the Bridge. Also, in such matters the Captian best be the last one off the ship.
I think the thumbnail is clickbait
In all the details that were wrong, the coast guard instructed the crew to tell the passengers to use more clothing to protect....from the cold of the water. Did i hear it right? 17:00
Unless they were wetsuits then I doubt they would have helped much ! In fact quite ghe opposite.
@@den264you mean dry suits? They are for cold water diving
As a Navy veteran, I’ve never heard anyone saying “turn in opposite direction.” All course change commands will always include direction of “port or starboard” to eliminate this issue. She’s clearly unqualified to be an officer, or any sailor! I am 100% certain she got the position on her knees or because of diversity requirements. This is what happens when you don’t always hire the best for the job!