I bought an EF version in 2013. I use the tokina 11-16 for wide shots. When my battery wore out I sent it in to Blackmagic and they replaced it with a battery that seems higher capacity. I actually used a cheap 12volt Lead Acid battery as an external battery and got a couple hours of recording. Its really hard to get stable shots without a rig, tripod, or gimbal. I have a review on my channel using a DJI Ronin-S with the BMCC. The EF combined with an L series 24-105 stabilized lens is awesome. It should be easy to find SSD drives as they've gotten faster and cheaper. I bought a 500gb Samsung 2 years ago. Slow drives drop frames and Ive had to do a low level erase occasionally to fix dropped frame issues.
I purchased my BMCC EF 2.5K on 2/19/2014 for $1,036.87, along with a Tokina lens and a Digistor 240GB SSD, and never used them. Long story. Now, nine years later, I'm putting the pieces together. My camera charges to 100% and it likes the SSD card, displaying 'Ready.' I haven't used the camera yet. That's for this weekend after a SSD cable arrives so I can port files to my computer. I'm so looking forward to experimenting. And learning how to use DaVinci Resolve. (I, of course, have the dongle.) Videos like this one, Will, are invaluable to me as I start this journey. Many thanks!
So glad it was helpful, thanks for watching! Good luck and have fun with the filming. If you need some tips to start, I have a video about filing with the original pocket camera that might be useful for you to get your settings dialed in. They’re almost identical when it comes to settings.
I rigged up a BMCC for anamorphic with a SLR Magic 1.33x Anamorphot-50. With a Canon 24mm f2.8 IS you get a reasonable focal length, stabilization, and even basic auto focus. That you can get such a rig now as a hobbyist without selling a kidney is really amazing. I still have my Canon 1014XLS Super 8 in the basement and spent time with a Krasnogorsk K16 not all THAT long ago. People now really don't know how good they have it!!! Thanks for the great video!
Very cool! And s8 will always have a soft spot in my heart. I also once had a 1014 (non xls) and also used a Beaulieu 6008 pro a few times. Fun cameras--very expensive to shoot, lol.
@@WillvonTagen I had the Beaulieu 6008 too! Funny how we all aspire to similar things. I thought that the new Kodak Super 8 camera was going to revive the format, but it seems like they either dropped the ball or just gave up. I keep thinking of selling the 1014, but can't quite do it yet.
the colours of these old bmpcc is so great man. the alexa sensor really did wonders. but nowadays i prefer to shoot with a7siii and i want to make the jump the next year or so. it's more flexible for the type of work that i do
Yes, for a lot of practical gigs it is better to have a more universal camera. That's part of why I stress that these are first and foremost "cinema cameras" available at a consumer level.
I love this idea of taking a look back at older cameras Will, keep these type of videos coming, we get so caught up in what's great now. Keep up the good work!
Following the Great Recession, I rebuilt my company on these two cameras, adding the BMPC4K in 2017. They are tried and true and I enjoy seeing the renewed interest in them.
Usually the MFT version sells now for much more than the EF. I looked long and hard for the MFT and nabbed one. I do have a good collection of MFT cinema lenses. Also have the Blackmagic video assist for SDI/HDMI conversion and external monitor. Also rigged with a DXA-BMD for XLR to RCA for audio and V mount battery. Just a workhorse of a camera.
I think they are often listed for more… but they tend to still sell for under $500. I actually just repurchased one over the last year for around $350. Great camera! I hope you are shooting some great stuff!
Hey there, i am a bmcc 2.5k ef owner. U can use m42 really good quality glass like helios 44, 35. And i install a speedbooster inside the camera mount gettind the s35 sensor coverage.
Happy Thanksgivings to you, Mr Von Tagen! I hope you and your loved ones are all well, and that you find success with whatever projects you're working on.
Thanks man! You'll be glad to know I just finished rebuilding my set and have a fresh script ready to go. Should have something new in the next week or so. My goal is to have 2 new videos before the end of the year.
Great video, important information, you mention that media can be transferred through the thunderbolt port, I have the BMCC 2.5K canon mount, but I have not been able to achieve it, can you explain how this is possible
Thanks for bringing this up! After looking a bit deeper, you are 100% right. It is just for recoding HD Externally. I have cut that portion out of the video--TH-cam is processing that now. Thanks for checking me there :)
I have those two original ones and the bmpcc4k.In my opinion the Cinema DNG gives you much more space to manipulate in post than BRaw.Anyways I still love the old ones.The good Image will be good forever.Thanks Will!
The black hole/sun issue was fixed in firmware years ago. Great camera. I use my Ursa 4.6k and P4k primarily, but the image out of my BMCC 2.4k is the best.
I really need an answer to this because I have one and I fear that even if I do remove the IR cut Filter because it has issues I'd get a red looking footage without the IR cut filter, and I really need the camera
I got one and it actually also works as an ssd audiorecorder if you would need one. The inputs are balanced pro standard so you can route your stereo audiomix in to it and the same time use it as a camera
New blackmagic color space is more contrasty and for me looks more digital then the original one. If you have troubles with noise then BCC noise reductions is the best option to clean the image or Davinci luma .
Thank you very much for this video. I just bought this model used, after having the original bmpcc, and I still love the colors Blackmagic give. I went from sony a6400 to bmcc 2.5 and I do not regret it. It is a cinema camera.
@@septentrio-films871 I don't edit the RAW directly, I will proxy it out into ProRes, edit in Premiere, and then that an XML back into Resolve, reapply the RAW and just do the color grading from there--then export my final.
Hey Will, would you mind sharing where you got the step up ring and slide in cap at 2:50? I am currently in search for one of those and don't know what to look for exactly.
The step-up is a 52-77mm and the cap is a 80mm cap. I got the step-ups on amazon and the cap on eBay. Just search for 80mm lens cap and a few should pop up :)
Unpopular opinion but I wish they still made this formfactor with newer sensor and being able to navigate the menu through an external monitor. For those who like rigging, these were great. The compactness of mirrorless with a few 'pro' IO like SDI and (mini) XLR. The new ''pocket'cams come somewhat close but they are way to round on top which means that you still need to cage it.
@@WillvonTagen wow! I have the original bmpcc and I did not know that it would be possible to film with that quality. I did not know the power of the bmpcc until now, thank you, this inspires me to keep experimenting and get more out of my camera.
Man. That was my first cinema cameras and it taught me a lot, especially about false color, exposure, and RAW. Now, my father has it and loves it to death.
I love the old black magic cameras. Currently rigging out my og BMPCC to hopefully last forever. Sadly my screen is currently experiencing major pixel death. These things are becoming rare. Even rarer in decent useable condition. Definitely need to pick up a few more
They used it more then I expected for Mad Max Fury Road. I think there is an effect in DaVinci Resolve that solves the Blacksun issue but I haven't tried it yet. I have the EF version since 2014 and use the sigma 18-35mm and Tokina 11-16mm almost all the time. The image of this camera still beats a lot of today's cams. Still in love with it. Recently I bought a saramonic preamp made for this cam. Thx for the video
Did it actually help the audio? Because no matter what I've done I have not been able to get usable audio out of it. I really can't even get audio good enough for a scratch audio track tbh. If this camera had decent audio, it would definitely be my favorite. I love the image but the audio is trash no matter what I do.
@@aholder4471 that saramonic makes it a bit better but for professional stuff I would use external audio. I got the saramonic for cheap so I thought it was worth testing it
Take a look into getting a set of Tentacle Sync units and then attach a h6 to the top of your cage. The tentacle will create timecode for you so syncing audio is a snap later on. They are great units.
I believe I am leaning on the rail there with my elbow to help keep the shot stable. Also it is a fairly wide lens. I may have also slowed down the shot a little in post--but I don't remember any more. I have a few trick up my sleeves ;)
Do you know there's a function in resolve that fixes the black hole sun with a simple click. So that doesn't take much work. I still have the 2.5k EF and like it a lot, despite its flaws
Oh that's awesome! Thanks for the note. I remove a lot of labels and logos in my work and so I have a pretty fast way of doing that in resolve, but nothing beats Auto! :)
Hello Will! Brother, I deeply appreciate you and what you're sharing with us. Excellent, excellent content. I'm still fairly new to learning about the BMCC line of cameras, and your reviews are top-notch and go well beyond what most are saying about the capabilities of these awesome cameras, as I'm sure you're aware. 😅 I love the way you think, my friend, and looking forward to more of your awesome work. Cheers.
Great video! I know this is not a normal use case, as this is a cinema camera, but I’m looking for a camera for live productions (sdi output) and found a cheap used BM 2.5k. (Would go through a switcher and then to some live TVs, streamed and recorded.) Would this camera work for this use? Are there any limitations on the sdi feed that I should be aware of? I’m a bit worried about the low light capabilities as it would be a live band setting so indoor and not a ton of illumination.
Sorry for the very late response. I am not sure how this would be for that type of situation.. If anything the 2.5 BMPC (Production Camera vs Cinema Camera) might be beneficial for you. It also came in a 4K model.
Super informative as always. Honestly, I think these great older cameras with >4k resolution are still going to be viable options for a long time (as long as they work). Needing more resolution for the "big screen" seems to be becoming more and more a thing of the past with the way theaters are going...
Very true. HD is pretty much 2K and 2K is all you need for DCPs. I used the original pocket on my second feature and it spent a few weeks in a few small theatres. It always held up fantastic on the big screen ;)
I figure it out how to mount a speed boister between the lens and sensor on bmcc ef 2.5 k so i can use all my canon af and gain 1stop of light + minmize the crop factor wirh the super 35 look
I am considering it--if I can pick one up for cheap or rent one. However... I never cared for the Micro much so I would have to work hard to not be biased, LOL. I owned it for about 9 months (sold my first Pocket and then almost immediately regretted it). So we'll see if there is enough interest ;)
As an owner of both, I'd say the Micro is a cleaner version of the Pocket image (you can pull up the image in post without as much FPN), and it has 60fps, which is sweet. Also has much less rolling shutter, though the Pocket isn't terrible itself. However, the Pocket is better for totally stripped-down (incognito?) shooting. I've been told to stop shooting with my Micro, because the external screen makes it look "professional". Bottom line, they both have magical images, and even with all their usability flaws, I'm back to shooting with them exclusively, and my BMPCC4K is gathering dust. EDIT: Also, changing settings on the Micro is MADDENING. The buttons are on the FRONT, which means you have to go by feel. And they all feel the same. So you will need a controller like the no-longer-shipping One Little Remote, or you'll want to throw the whole setup across the room.
@@Macbain80 at the end of the day--all these cameras will bring about amazing results. It's more a matter of picking your poison, what your needs are and how you prefer your workflow.
Great video. Lots of info that i needed. Which would you choose for your first xmas movie as a DP ? The 2.5k or the OG? I have an slr magic 17mm t1.8 cine lens for the OG. And i use the sigma 17-55 mm 2.8 ef for the 2.5k. I have other lenses for both but prefer the image that these lenses produce.
Honestly, for a locked down production I would recommend the 2.5k (as much as I love the pocket). If you can take advantage of the more professional connections (SDI etc) then they are totally worth having. The SSDs are so inexpensive now and the extra resolution ,right be nice to have. Actual "look" wise they are nearly identical, but the 2.5 is just made a bit more for full production work. If you are wanting to run a bit more guerrilla I would say OG--but it does not sound like this is the case. I would, however, consider the MFT version if possible. The Meike cine primes are fantastic on these cameras and are very inexpensive to own or rent. It will also be a lot easier to get wider than 17mm--which I think you will want if you are shooting indoors a lot. One amendment to what I say in this video--you can indeed use the metabones speed booster to attach active-mount ef glass to the MFT version, you just need to run 5v power to the speed booster and it will allow you to adjust iris and activate image stabilization if your lens has it.
It's also a great camera and fixes a few of the issues presented with the 2.5k. However, it is extremely data hungry. I believe a 480GB SSD only gets you 12 minutes in 4K RAW--so that is a bit inconvenient.
@@nikitabarbakov4745figured it out for myself after buying a million ssds the drive after initially buying needs to be formatted to exfat(32) after that it works no problem! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Great video, thanks. How big a deal are moire and IR issues as some people howl and cry about them. And if so are there any specific tips, ND's and IR filters you would recommend to deal with the issues. Thanks.
I don't find moire to be a big issue. Yes, there are some textures to avoid but moire is also very easy to correct in post if you find it has poisoned your image once you start reviewing it.
The problem with BMCCs is that they're getting pretty old and hardware is slowly dying, e.g. a lot of Xilinx CPUs die off because of overheating over time, audiocodec chips are dying, SDI circuitry can be easily toasted etc. While you can repair your cam in case e.g. audiocodec is dead, once Xilinx dies, it's not going anywhere. So I recommend not only to always have a backup camera while you're on important project, but also take care of your working BMCCs and don't overstess them in harsh working conditions.
If I can get my hands on one I will certainly do my best :) (though from a ergonomic standpoint--much of the same observations here apply--it is just an image quality note beyond that).
Thanks man! I do not currently own a Micro--but I have in the past. I was not the biggest fan of the camera (sold it to repurchase the pocket). The image is certainly solid--but I did not care for the ergonomics of the body (menu access, port connection etc.). If I can get my hands on one for cheap I will do a review there as well in the future :)
The early model Ronin S is a safe bet. I did not like the Mozas and beyond that I haven't tried anything else. The Ronin SC might work but I cannot say for sure.
On short form projects I color and render all the footage out of davinci resolve and then edit in premiere. For longer form, I will take the footage back into resolve once the edit is „locked“ for a final round of color grade to the raw before a high quality final export. If you watch my video on “best BMPCC og settings” I show go over that process. It is the same for the 2.5k. Good luck!
I love the image from those cams, but convenience and usability is kind of huge and frankly I'm wondering if it's worth buying such a camat 800 bucks, current price on Ebay, compared to around $1000 for the new BMPCC 4K?
If you can afford it and see yourself using the camera often for work--I would go with the 4K. I think this is a bit of a specific workflow that might now be helpful to your needs.
I’m going to Budapest this summer and I’m trying to debate between this camera and the OG. Any suggestions would be great. I will be traveling to the Czech Republic, and Prague
For travel I think the OG with a stabilized lens and small battery pack would be best. The 2.5k doesn’t support IS lenses unless you have the ef mount (or a speedbooster with power running into the adapter). Add the battery to that and it’s quite a big camera to be carrying around. The OG will get you Just as nice of footage and have a much smaller footprint while on the go.
@@WillvonTagen the problem is it’s hard to find one on eBay. Some of them are asking $700 $800. I have canon lenses, so I definitely have to spend extra to rig it up. At that point, I think you’d probably be worth it just to get a 4K.?
@@Eyekonproductions You need to wait and be very patient. Even though many are posted for $700+, they rarely sell for that amount (check "sold history" on eBay for proof). I actually picked up a second one a couple months ago for $250, you just need to watch and wait. Also, keep in mind that things like a cage can cost well over $150 and are tough to find. If a camera is listed for $500 and includes a cage that is still a good deal. Canon lenses can still work with the OG. If you are thinking BMPCC4k then that is a very good camera but does sell still for around $850 and you will still need lenses and battery solutions. It's a great camera, but does have quite a different look and is much larger than the OG. To get an OG "travel friendly" you are looking at $350 for the camera, $300 for the Panasonic 12-35 (great lens), $75 for an ND filter, $100 for battery adapter, batteries and charger, $20-50 for memory cards depending on the size. With that added up you are still spending less than just the body of the BMPCC4k. It's up to you, but it is definitely possible to build up a cheap, affordable, usable kit for the OG.
Wow, now I'm confused) There is a MFT version, EF version, S35 version, 4K, 2.5K with rolling and with global shutter as well) Quite a quest to find a copy to your needs)
The 2.5k only has MFT size sensor (2.6x crop) and MFT or EF mount. The 4K has s35 sensor is only EF mount. (There are a few PL mounts but they are rare). I would start with what lenses you already have (ef or MFT) and then decide from there. Personally I prefer the 2.5k to the 4K.
Thank you for the very detailed review! It would definitely be a step up for me as I'm shooting on Nikon D610. It really is fun to push the limits of this veteran, but looking for other options for video. I'm torn between getting the 2.5K even just to see if I actually need RAW (to invest in BMPCC 6K later on) or just shell out for a GH5(S), mainly cause it can be a backup photo shooter and it's got autofocus for when doing interviews for example (otherwise I prefer manual). Have you got any input on this? Thanks anyway for this informative film and beautiful footage 😄
I would get the new 4K over the GH5--the look is much better. I think the 4k is a good option since it seems like you will use the camera quite a lot and I tend to use the Pocket and 2.5k more for fun, side projects. The 6K is also great, but I don't see the advantage unless you are doing client work and they want 6K--the 6K will eat a lot more data and the 4K will give you more lens options.
Awesome review. I used the original Pocket when when it first came out. I have the big URSA 4K (which I am selling) plus I have the P4K. The images from the original pocket were spectacular. I am not over impressed with the Pocket 4K but it is a VERY useful tool. My current quandary is that we are working on a documentary and a lot of it will be 2-3 cam interviews. We need to deliver in 4K for film festivals and I was considering getting 2 BMPC or BMCCs and upscaling. Or even 2x original pockets and upscaling. All of my glass is EF so I was thinking of 2 x BMPC 4K. In your opinion would you lean towards the BMPC 4K or the 2.5k with speed booster and upscale ? Many thanks!
I wouldn't worry too much about delivering 4K to festivals (or even distributors). The majority of festivals screen at theaters that only have 2K projectors available--and 4K projectors still project 2K DCPs. But if it is an easy workflow for you--by all means do it. As far as cameras, If you want to shoot RAW the BMPC4K eats a TON of data--the 2.5K is more manageable. If ALL your glass is EF and NOT cine glass (zeiss etc.) the 2.5K MFT is a good option. But if the EF lenses require power you would want the EF version of the BMCC 2.5. The OG pocket is also a good option--but for a documentary the 2.5 or 4k BMCC/BMPC might be better because of the better audio and form factor. All that said--if it were me I would actually use the BMPCC4k. I think it is the best all around tool of the lot, and would make the most sense for a documentary shoot. If it was fiction/narrative I think it wouldn't matter as much--but the older BMD cameras don't lend themselves quite as well to run and gun that might be needed for a doc.
Thanks for checking in! Yes, I feel awful about not making any vids for a while but I moved back to the US and am in the middle of pitching a show to HGTV. The good news is I have lots to talk about... just need to find some time to record and edit :)
@@WillvonTagen no need to rush into creating videos, kiddo. Just wanted to make sure you were doing ok. HGTV, that's awesome...sounds very promising and prosperous.
I’m preparing to shoot a feature film in a few months.. if you were in my shoes, with your knowledge of the og, micro, and 2.k, which camera would you choose. Be honest man lol
Honestly I would probably go with the 2.5k MFT with Meike or Veydra primes. Same look as the OG, but a slightly larger sensor and more resolution. Also the SDI ports give a bit more stability for an external monitor. Since it will have to be rigged out any way, I think it will be a bit more ergonomic with its size and and connections. Now, if you needed to do more work stripped down and film unseen in public places-I would take the OG and build it out as needed day to day.
I'm not sure the exact brand--it could be Alvin's Cable, but its just a D-Tap to DC input :) I think there is a lot of flexibility in what you use, but as always; you sometimes get what you pay for.
If you want a real budget option for a wide angle. I bought an F3.5 8mm fish eye. By Pixco. It’s £60 average (I think you can even get it on wish😂) but it’s served me well so far, It takes up no room and if you’re travelling around like I am or you need to get a wide angle fast. it’s perfect. They also do it in C mount form too. Samyang also do a MFT fish eye as well that’s supposedly pretty good but I’ve not bought it so can’t comment. Hope this helps someone out 😊.
I bought an EF version in 2013. I use the tokina 11-16 for wide shots. When my battery wore out I sent it in to Blackmagic and they replaced it with a battery that seems higher capacity. I actually used a cheap 12volt Lead Acid battery as an external battery and got a couple hours of recording. Its really hard to get stable shots without a rig, tripod, or gimbal. I have a review on my channel using a DJI Ronin-S with the BMCC. The EF combined with an L series 24-105 stabilized lens is awesome. It should be easy to find SSD drives as they've gotten faster and cheaper. I bought a 500gb Samsung 2 years ago. Slow drives drop frames and Ive had to do a low level erase occasionally to fix dropped frame issues.
how much did they charge you for replacing the battery?
@@HeyElvisG I think it was around $150 US dollars plus I had to pay for round trip shipping.
I love the quick history of cameras at the beginning
Thanks man!
I love this camera. I am using for all of my music videos and I am also shooting a short film with it next month.
It's a great camera for sure :)
I purchased my BMCC EF 2.5K on 2/19/2014 for $1,036.87, along with a Tokina lens and a Digistor 240GB SSD, and never used them. Long story. Now, nine years later, I'm putting the pieces together. My camera charges to 100% and it likes the SSD card, displaying 'Ready.' I haven't used the camera yet. That's for this weekend after a SSD cable arrives so I can port files to my computer. I'm so looking forward to experimenting. And learning how to use DaVinci Resolve. (I, of course, have the dongle.) Videos like this one, Will, are invaluable to me as I start this journey. Many thanks!
So glad it was helpful, thanks for watching! Good luck and have fun with the filming. If you need some tips to start, I have a video about filing with the original pocket camera that might be useful for you to get your settings dialed in. They’re almost identical when it comes to settings.
It's a great camera. You can do really crazy things to those sweet dng's.
Love that Blackmagic :)
I rigged up a BMCC for anamorphic with a SLR Magic 1.33x Anamorphot-50. With a Canon 24mm f2.8 IS you get a reasonable focal length, stabilization, and even basic auto focus. That you can get such a rig now as a hobbyist without selling a kidney is really amazing. I still have my Canon 1014XLS Super 8 in the basement and spent time with a Krasnogorsk K16 not all THAT long ago. People now really don't know how good they have it!!!
Thanks for the great video!
Very cool! And s8 will always have a soft spot in my heart. I also once had a 1014 (non xls) and also used a Beaulieu 6008 pro a few times. Fun cameras--very expensive to shoot, lol.
@@WillvonTagen I had the Beaulieu 6008 too! Funny how we all aspire to similar things. I thought that the new Kodak Super 8 camera was going to revive the format, but it seems like they either dropped the ball or just gave up. I keep thinking of selling the 1014, but can't quite do it yet.
Well done. Makes me hesitate to sell my Godfather. I don't use it much but it has such a unique look. The OG went last year to be replaced by a GH5.
Thanks for watching! Have you shot much recently with the camera?
@WillvonTagen Eat bacon. How often? Every day I'd say. Make Vegans mad? It doesn't make me sad. 😅
I still come back to this video every now and then when my BMCC is left collecting dusts. Fingerscross for more work this year using this camera!
Hope so too! It’s a great camera :)
@@WillvonTagen thanks! It really is
the colours of these old bmpcc is so great man. the alexa sensor really did wonders. but nowadays i prefer to shoot with a7siii and i want to make the jump the next year or so. it's more flexible for the type of work that i do
Yes, for a lot of practical gigs it is better to have a more universal camera. That's part of why I stress that these are first and foremost "cinema cameras" available at a consumer level.
I love this idea of taking a look back at older cameras Will, keep these type of videos coming, we get so caught up in what's great now. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Definitely more to come :)
Following the Great Recession, I rebuilt my company on these two cameras, adding the BMPC4K in 2017. They are tried and true and I enjoy seeing the renewed interest in them.
They are great!
what is the latest firmware for these cameras?
Usually the MFT version sells now for much more than the EF. I looked long and hard for the MFT and nabbed one. I do have a good collection of MFT cinema lenses. Also have the Blackmagic video assist for SDI/HDMI conversion and external monitor. Also rigged with a DXA-BMD for XLR to RCA for audio and V mount battery. Just a workhorse of a camera.
I think they are often listed for more… but they tend to still sell for under $500. I actually just repurchased one over the last year for around $350. Great camera! I hope you are shooting some great stuff!
After watching this video, I just bought my first camera - a BMCC 2.5k. Subscribed.
Thanks for watching and good luck with the camera!
Sshhh... stop telling everyone how great the BMCC is. We may need to buy another at some point!
Hahaha, well based on how long it is taking me to re-sell mine I don't think there is too much worry yet ;) Also! Love your stuff! Great work man :)
Si, se estaban poniendo baratas y ahora están caras. No tienen sentido todos los problemas si cuesta lo mismo que una 4k.
Now it is hard to find the MFT version and sometimes it cost almost the same price as the bmpcc 4k.
Hey there, i am a bmcc 2.5k ef owner. U can use m42 really good quality glass like helios 44, 35. And i install a speedbooster inside the camera mount gettind the s35 sensor coverage.
Sounds like a good setup!
Where Can I get the internal speed booster from?
Hey Valentin, how did you do this with the internal speed booster?
Happy Thanksgivings to you, Mr Von Tagen! I hope you and your loved ones are all well, and that you find success with whatever projects you're working on.
Thanks man! You'll be glad to know I just finished rebuilding my set and have a fresh script ready to go. Should have something new in the next week or so. My goal is to have 2 new videos before the end of the year.
@@WillvonTagen That sounds excellent. Good man.
the godfather was an all time great movie. this camera is in the same conversation for reputation. i’m glad i got it.
More videos about this OG BMCC please!!! I have bought your packs for the BMPCC but you don't seem to have any accessories for this camera.
I have one but I also use the S5 paired with an Atomos Ninja V for Prores Raw, beautiful also
That beat was fire
that sweet fairchild sensor
So sweet!
Love this coverage. And your color grade is awesome.
Thank you! :)
at around 15:40, is that black dot the sun?
Great video, important information, you mention that media can be transferred through the thunderbolt port, I have the BMCC 2.5K canon mount, but I have not been able to achieve it, can you explain how this is possible
Thanks for bringing this up! After looking a bit deeper, you are 100% right. It is just for recoding HD Externally. I have cut that portion out of the video--TH-cam is processing that now. Thanks for checking me there :)
I'm glad I found your channel. I really enjoy your content.
Thank you! I am working to get more out there!
I have those two original ones and the bmpcc4k.In my opinion the Cinema DNG gives you much more space to manipulate in post than BRaw.Anyways I still love the old ones.The good Image will be good forever.Thanks Will!
They are soooooo good. Thanks for watching man!
The black hole/sun issue was fixed in firmware years ago. Great camera. I use my Ursa 4.6k and P4k primarily, but the image out of my BMCC 2.4k is the best.
Awesome video with perfect in-depth information! Do you need to use an IR cut filter with this camera?
I really need an answer to this because I have one and I fear that even if I do remove the IR cut Filter because it has issues I'd get a red looking footage without the IR cut filter, and I really need the camera
I got one and it actually also works as an ssd audiorecorder if you would need one. The inputs are balanced pro standard so you can route your stereo audiomix in to it and the same time use it as a camera
And I have used it for livestreaming in to OBS to youtube on a Lenovo PC laptop via the thunderbolt port
Sounds like a great trick!
Thanks for that review. Great shots of Berlin. Now I will have fun to shoot with the camera again :).
Thanks for watching!
New blackmagic color space is more contrasty and for me looks more digital then the original one. If you have troubles with noise then BCC noise reductions is the best option to clean the image or Davinci luma
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Thank you very much for this video. I just bought this model used, after having the original bmpcc, and I still love the colors Blackmagic give. I went from sony a6400 to bmcc 2.5 and I do not regret it. It is a cinema camera.
Thanks for watching! And I agree, the look of BM is just amazing :)
@@WillvonTagen What do youin order to be able to edit in 12 bit on davinci?
@@septentrio-films871 I don't edit the RAW directly, I will proxy it out into ProRes, edit in Premiere, and then that an XML back into Resolve, reapply the RAW and just do the color grading from there--then export my final.
@@WillvonTagen is there any tutorial that covers this technique?
Am also jumping from the a6400 o the bmcc 2.5k
This is the ONLY camera I use these days.
That's amazing! It's a great camera :)
whats the SSD situation now? i have this laying around.
@@amarmitra sandisk extreme works well with the camera
Also, ettr works the best with this camera even with proress 422 hq at asa 800 native iso for this sensor.
Loved this camera. I made a vid about the 4K version but I really really really wish it had the same dynamic range as this camera.
It's a great little camera! Thanks for watching :)
Your channel is crazy underrated, I subbed!!
Hey Will, would you mind sharing where you got the step up ring and slide in cap at 2:50? I am currently in search for one of those and don't know what to look for exactly.
The step-up is a 52-77mm and the cap is a 80mm cap. I got the step-ups on amazon and the cap on eBay. Just search for 80mm lens cap and a few should pop up :)
Unpopular opinion but I wish they still made this formfactor with newer sensor and being able to navigate the menu through an external monitor.
For those who like rigging, these were great. The compactness of mirrorless with a few 'pro' IO like SDI and (mini) XLR.
The new ''pocket'cams come somewhat close but they are way to round on top which means that you still need to cage it.
I agree. Every time I pick mine up I remember how great it feels in the hand and well it operates. You would never guess it just by looking at it.
I still use it. its my fav camera.
It’s a great camera!
Hi love the video what spedboster did you use
I think that was just a standard .71x FD to MFT speedbooster.
What camera did you use on movie? the photography was so good!
Almosting It we used the Red Epic MX and Heritage we used the Original BMPCC :)
@@WillvonTagen wow! I have the original bmpcc and I did not know that it would be possible to film with that quality. I did not know the power of the bmpcc until now, thank you, this inspires me to keep experimenting and get more out of my camera.
@@ozielisaacmendozagarcia323 It's a fantastic camera. Good luck! :)
just found me one for 500 bucks and i'm excited for it to come in. Going to be my first cinema build
I still use mine as a B cam - never lets me down, superb camera made to last.
Great cameras :)
Man. That was my first cinema cameras and it taught me a lot, especially about false color, exposure, and RAW. Now, my father has it and loves it to death.
It's a solid camera for sure :)
I love the old black magic cameras. Currently rigging out my og BMPCC to hopefully last forever. Sadly my screen is currently experiencing major pixel death. These things are becoming rare. Even rarer in decent useable condition. Definitely need to pick up a few more
Sold my original 2.5k, but kept the amazing OG Pocket. After getting the OG URSA 4.6k, I never touched the 2.5k , but still use the pocket.
It's a great camera.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown
Glad it was helpful!
The Black hole sun issue was sorted with further firmware updates. I am on the latest which is release 2.1...
Good to know! :)
What a fantastic breakdown! Thanks. 🤘🏼
They used it more then I expected for Mad Max Fury Road. I think there is an effect in DaVinci Resolve that solves the Blacksun issue but I haven't tried it yet. I have the EF version since 2014 and use the sigma 18-35mm and Tokina 11-16mm almost all the time. The image of this camera still beats a lot of today's cams. Still in love with it. Recently I bought a saramonic preamp made for this cam. Thx for the video
Did it actually help the audio? Because no matter what I've done I have not been able to get usable audio out of it. I really can't even get audio good enough for a scratch audio track tbh. If this camera had decent audio, it would definitely be my favorite. I love the image but the audio is trash no matter what I do.
@@aholder4471 that saramonic makes it a bit better but for professional stuff I would use external audio. I got the saramonic for cheap so I thought it was worth testing it
Love the image for sure :)
Take a look into getting a set of Tentacle Sync units and then attach a h6 to the top of your cage. The tentacle will create timecode for you so syncing audio is a snap later on. They are great units.
Why the bridge footage on the double tap argoument was unbelievable solid, without any real stabilization?
I believe I am leaning on the rail there with my elbow to help keep the shot stable. Also it is a fairly wide lens. I may have also slowed down the shot a little in post--but I don't remember any more. I have a few trick up my sleeves ;)
ef mount may adopt F-mount lenses using small adapter.
Do you know there's a function in resolve that fixes the black hole sun with a simple click. So that doesn't take much work. I still have the 2.5k EF and like it a lot, despite its flaws
Oh that's awesome! Thanks for the note. I remove a lot of labels and logos in my work and so I have a pretty fast way of doing that in resolve, but nothing beats Auto! :)
Hello Will! Brother, I deeply appreciate you and what you're sharing with us. Excellent, excellent content. I'm still fairly new to learning about the BMCC line of cameras, and your reviews are top-notch and go well beyond what most are saying about the capabilities of these awesome cameras, as I'm sure you're aware.
😅 I love the way you think, my friend, and looking forward to more of your awesome work. Cheers.
Wow, thanks so much man, I really appreciate the kind words! Thanks so much for watching and I hope to keep making good videos for you!
@@WillvonTagen Very welcome, Will! I look forward to whatever you share on your channel. 🙂 ✌☮
Thx man .great video. Plz make more videos on BMCC
I'll see what I can do! I sold the camera before my move--but am planning a video soon on the micro cinema camera.
I really like my bmcc 2.5k. It shows wonderful shots
Great cameras :)
I've both bmcc 2,5, pocket fhd and Pocket 4K. BMCC 2,5 achieves the best "film look", where the modern bmpcc4k looks a little bit "digital".
It does have a "crisper" edge on the 4K. They are all great tools, but I agree I prefer the older models for narrative work :)
Great video!
I know this is not a normal use case, as this is a cinema camera, but I’m looking for a camera for live productions (sdi output) and found a cheap used BM 2.5k. (Would go through a switcher and then to some live TVs, streamed and recorded.)
Would this camera work for this use? Are there any limitations on the sdi feed that I should be aware of?
I’m a bit worried about the low light capabilities as it would be a live band setting so indoor and not a ton of illumination.
Sorry for the very late response. I am not sure how this would be for that type of situation.. If anything the 2.5 BMPC (Production Camera vs Cinema Camera) might be beneficial for you. It also came in a 4K model.
The black hole can be easily dealt with in Resolve, there is a button for it.
That's super!
Still one of my favorite cameras.
It’s a classic 👍🏻
Super informative as always. Honestly, I think these great older cameras with >4k resolution are still going to be viable options for a long time (as long as they work). Needing more resolution for the "big screen" seems to be becoming more and more a thing of the past with the way theaters are going...
Very true. HD is pretty much 2K and 2K is all you need for DCPs. I used the original pocket on my second feature and it spent a few weeks in a few small theatres. It always held up fantastic on the big screen ;)
@WillvonTagen does the EF version will accept the SIGMA SA-mount normally?
(the bayonet is almost the same)
I figure it out how to mount a speed boister between the lens and sensor on bmcc ef 2.5 k so i can use all my canon af and gain 1stop of light + minmize the crop factor wirh the super 35 look
Awesome :)
How?
Prosumer grade? Seen them using it on a professional union shoot.
Footage still looks great!
Right? Great cameras :)
Will, can you please explain the SDI "fist in, last out" procedure so not to fry ones SDI port on the 2.5k?
Seems like you're going through all their originals. Gonna do one on the Micro Cinema as well?
I am considering it--if I can pick one up for cheap or rent one. However... I never cared for the Micro much so I would have to work hard to not be biased, LOL. I owned it for about 9 months (sold my first Pocket and then almost immediately regretted it). So we'll see if there is enough interest ;)
As an owner of both, I'd say the Micro is a cleaner version of the Pocket image (you can pull up the image in post without as much FPN), and it has 60fps, which is sweet. Also has much less rolling shutter, though the Pocket isn't terrible itself. However, the Pocket is better for totally stripped-down (incognito?) shooting. I've been told to stop shooting with my Micro, because the external screen makes it look "professional". Bottom line, they both have magical images, and even with all their usability flaws, I'm back to shooting with them exclusively, and my BMPCC4K is gathering dust.
EDIT: Also, changing settings on the Micro is MADDENING. The buttons are on the FRONT, which means you have to go by feel. And they all feel the same. So you will need a controller like the no-longer-shipping One Little Remote, or you'll want to throw the whole setup across the room.
@@Macbain80 at the end of the day--all these cameras will bring about amazing results. It's more a matter of picking your poison, what your needs are and how you prefer your workflow.
@@Macbain80 Hahaha I also have the two originals and the 4k.The image look on the original ones will never get old.
Great video. Lots of info that i needed.
Which would you choose for your first xmas movie as a DP ?
The 2.5k or the OG?
I have an slr magic 17mm t1.8 cine lens for the OG.
And i use the sigma 17-55 mm 2.8 ef for the 2.5k.
I have other lenses for both but prefer the image that these lenses produce.
Honestly, for a locked down production I would recommend the 2.5k (as much as I love the pocket). If you can take advantage of the more professional connections (SDI etc) then they are totally worth having. The SSDs are so inexpensive now and the extra resolution ,right be nice to have. Actual "look" wise they are nearly identical, but the 2.5 is just made a bit more for full production work. If you are wanting to run a bit more guerrilla I would say OG--but it does not sound like this is the case.
I would, however, consider the MFT version if possible. The Meike cine primes are fantastic on these cameras and are very inexpensive to own or rent. It will also be a lot easier to get wider than 17mm--which I think you will want if you are shooting indoors a lot.
One amendment to what I say in this video--you can indeed use the metabones speed booster to attach active-mount ef glass to the MFT version, you just need to run 5v power to the speed booster and it will allow you to adjust iris and activate image stabilization if your lens has it.
I thought they patched out the black sun effect?
It's been awhile since I've messed with that camera so I could be mistaken
You are correct. The camera wasn’t completely updated when I made the review but it was fixed by BMD.
Very informative video as always, thanks. My Bmcc fan switches on as soon as camera is on, do u know how to fix this ?
Please let me know
Thanks man! No, unfortunately I don't think there is a way to turn that off :-/
It’s supposed to. It reduces it speed when you start recording.
Very filmic! So gorgeous!
Great video. What do you think of the Blackmagic Production Camera 4K? It seems to get forgotten about.
It's also a great camera and fixes a few of the issues presented with the 2.5k. However, it is extremely data hungry. I believe a 480GB SSD only gets you 12 minutes in 4K RAW--so that is a bit inconvenient.
@@WillvonTagen Ah thanks for pointing that out.
Just ordered one ! What brand and memory size SSD drive do you recommend ?
Hey there! are you using a LUT? really liked the color grading.
Do you mean for the BRoll/BMCC footage or the actual vlog?
Can anyone recommend an SSD for this camera? I only found the old recommended SSD list but now its too outdated.
having this same problem
I bought samsung 870 evo 1tb+spacer everything works fine.@@nytevision
@@nikitabarbakov4745figured it out for myself after buying a million ssds the drive after initially buying needs to be formatted to exfat(32) after that it works no problem! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Great video, thanks. How big a deal are moire and IR issues as some people howl and cry about them. And if so are there any specific tips, ND's and IR filters you would recommend to deal with the issues. Thanks.
I don't find moire to be a big issue. Yes, there are some textures to avoid but moire is also very easy to correct in post if you find it has poisoned your image once you start reviewing it.
What about the IR cut issue @Willvon
The problem with BMCCs is that they're getting pretty old and hardware is slowly dying, e.g. a lot of Xilinx CPUs die off because of overheating over time, audiocodec chips are dying, SDI circuitry can be easily toasted etc. While you can repair your cam in case e.g. audiocodec is dead, once Xilinx dies, it's not going anywhere. So I recommend not only to always have a backup camera while you're on important project, but also take care of your working BMCCs and don't overstess them in harsh working conditions.
Will you do one on the production 4K as well?
If I can get my hands on one I will certainly do my best :) (though from a ergonomic standpoint--much of the same observations here apply--it is just an image quality note beyond that).
Love your video my friend, do you have the BM micro cinema camera ?
Thanks man! I do not currently own a Micro--but I have in the past. I was not the biggest fan of the camera (sold it to repurchase the pocket). The image is certainly solid--but I did not care for the ergonomics of the body (menu access, port connection etc.). If I can get my hands on one for cheap I will do a review there as well in the future :)
Any recommendations for a gimbal and this camera? (looking to go as budget/compact on one as possible)
The early model Ronin S is a safe bet. I did not like the Mozas and beyond that I haven't tried anything else. The Ronin SC might work but I cannot say for sure.
what program did you use and steps for editing and rendering to get that footage?
On short form projects I color and render all the footage out of davinci resolve and then edit in premiere. For longer form, I will take the footage back into resolve once the edit is „locked“ for a final round of color grade to the raw before a high quality final export. If you watch my video on “best BMPCC og settings” I show go over that process. It is the same for the 2.5k. Good luck!
I love the image from those cams, but convenience and usability is kind of huge and frankly I'm wondering if it's worth buying such a camat 800 bucks, current price on Ebay, compared to around $1000 for the new BMPCC 4K?
If you can afford it and see yourself using the camera often for work--I would go with the 4K. I think this is a bit of a specific workflow that might now be helpful to your needs.
I’m going to Budapest this summer and I’m trying to debate between this camera and the OG. Any suggestions would be great. I will be traveling to the Czech Republic, and Prague
For travel I think the OG with a stabilized lens and small battery pack would be best. The 2.5k doesn’t support IS lenses unless you have the ef mount (or a speedbooster with power running into the adapter). Add the battery to that and it’s quite a big camera to be carrying around. The OG will get you Just as nice of footage and have a much smaller footprint while on the go.
@@WillvonTagen the problem is it’s hard to find one on eBay. Some of them are asking $700 $800. I have canon lenses, so I definitely have to spend extra to rig it up. At that point, I think you’d probably be worth it just to get a 4K.?
@@Eyekonproductions You need to wait and be very patient. Even though many are posted for $700+, they rarely sell for that amount (check "sold history" on eBay for proof). I actually picked up a second one a couple months ago for $250, you just need to watch and wait.
Also, keep in mind that things like a cage can cost well over $150 and are tough to find. If a camera is listed for $500 and includes a cage that is still a good deal.
Canon lenses can still work with the OG.
If you are thinking BMPCC4k then that is a very good camera but does sell still for around $850 and you will still need lenses and battery solutions. It's a great camera, but does have quite a different look and is much larger than the OG.
To get an OG "travel friendly" you are looking at $350 for the camera, $300 for the Panasonic 12-35 (great lens), $75 for an ND filter, $100 for battery adapter, batteries and charger, $20-50 for memory cards depending on the size. With that added up you are still spending less than just the body of the BMPCC4k.
It's up to you, but it is definitely possible to build up a cheap, affordable, usable kit for the OG.
@@WillvonTagen okay thanks! Will look and update when I find one!
Wow, now I'm confused) There is a MFT version, EF version, S35 version, 4K, 2.5K with rolling and with global shutter as well) Quite a quest to find a copy to your needs)
The 2.5k only has MFT size sensor (2.6x crop) and MFT or EF mount. The 4K has s35 sensor is only EF mount. (There are a few PL mounts but they are rare). I would start with what lenses you already have (ef or MFT) and then decide from there. Personally I prefer the 2.5k to the 4K.
@@WillvonTagen Oh, I see. Thank you for clarification :)
Thank you for the very detailed review!
It would definitely be a step up for me as I'm shooting on Nikon D610. It really is fun to push the limits of this veteran, but looking for other options for video. I'm torn between getting the 2.5K even just to see if I actually need RAW (to invest in BMPCC 6K later on) or just shell out for a GH5(S), mainly cause it can be a backup photo shooter and it's got autofocus for when doing interviews for example (otherwise I prefer manual). Have you got any input on this?
Thanks anyway for this informative film and beautiful footage 😄
I would get the new 4K over the GH5--the look is much better. I think the 4k is a good option since it seems like you will use the camera quite a lot and I tend to use the Pocket and 2.5k more for fun, side projects. The 6K is also great, but I don't see the advantage unless you are doing client work and they want 6K--the 6K will eat a lot more data and the 4K will give you more lens options.
Awesome review. I used the original Pocket when when it first came out. I have the big URSA 4K (which I am selling) plus I have the P4K. The images from the original pocket were spectacular. I am not over impressed with the Pocket 4K but it is a VERY useful tool. My current quandary is that we are working on a documentary and a lot of it will be 2-3 cam interviews. We need to deliver in 4K for film festivals and I was considering getting 2 BMPC or BMCCs and upscaling. Or even 2x original pockets and upscaling. All of my glass is EF so I was thinking of 2 x BMPC 4K. In your opinion would you lean towards the BMPC 4K or the 2.5k with speed booster and upscale ? Many thanks!
I wouldn't worry too much about delivering 4K to festivals (or even distributors). The majority of festivals screen at theaters that only have 2K projectors available--and 4K projectors still project 2K DCPs. But if it is an easy workflow for you--by all means do it.
As far as cameras, If you want to shoot RAW the BMPC4K eats a TON of data--the 2.5K is more manageable. If ALL your glass is EF and NOT cine glass (zeiss etc.) the 2.5K MFT is a good option. But if the EF lenses require power you would want the EF version of the BMCC 2.5.
The OG pocket is also a good option--but for a documentary the 2.5 or 4k BMCC/BMPC might be better because of the better audio and form factor.
All that said--if it were me I would actually use the BMPCC4k. I think it is the best all around tool of the lot, and would make the most sense for a documentary shoot. If it was fiction/narrative I think it wouldn't matter as much--but the older BMD cameras don't lend themselves quite as well to run and gun that might be needed for a doc.
You okay buddy? Just checking in on you...give us a sign you're alive and well.
Thanks for checking in! Yes, I feel awful about not making any vids for a while but I moved back to the US and am in the middle of pitching a show to HGTV. The good news is I have lots to talk about... just need to find some time to record and edit :)
@@WillvonTagen no need to rush into creating videos, kiddo. Just wanted to make sure you were doing ok. HGTV, that's awesome...sounds very promising and prosperous.
I’m preparing to shoot a feature film in a few months.. if you were in my shoes, with your knowledge of the og, micro, and 2.k, which camera would you choose. Be honest man lol
Honestly I would probably go with the 2.5k MFT with Meike or Veydra primes. Same look as the OG, but a slightly larger sensor and more resolution. Also the SDI ports give a bit more stability for an external monitor. Since it will have to be rigged out any way, I think it will be a bit more ergonomic with its size and and connections. Now, if you needed to do more work stripped down and film unseen in public places-I would take the OG and build it out as needed day to day.
@@WillvonTagen Thanks so much for the response!!!
Excellent information and how it was delivered, thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
hi, great job, I love your videos, I think you should make more of them! :)
Thanks man! I really wish I could get more out but I have been busy with some larger projects. More to come for sure though!
I have the bmpcc 4k but I got the grandfather and the og because I wanted a camera that can record lossless cinema dng raw.
So, what cable do you use to connect this camera to that smallrig battery plate?
I'm not sure the exact brand--it could be Alvin's Cable, but its just a D-Tap to DC input :) I think there is a lot of flexibility in what you use, but as always; you sometimes get what you pay for.
Everyone misses the point of rolling shutter: Jello!!!! It's not about whip pans!!!
Can you give me a link to buy those batteries you ate using?
I'm about to get this camera all because my 4K pocket decided it wanted to go on strike. Reading these comments is filling me with some confidence. :)
Actually shooting a feature with this cam still
If you want a real budget option for a wide angle. I bought an F3.5 8mm fish eye. By Pixco.
It’s £60 average (I think you can even get it on wish😂) but it’s served me well so far, It takes up no room and if you’re travelling around like I am or you need to get a wide angle fast. it’s perfect. They also do it in C mount form too.
Samyang also do a MFT fish eye as well that’s supposedly pretty good but I’ve not bought it so can’t comment. Hope this helps someone out 😊.
Awesome! Thanks for the tip! :)
A great good and amazing camera! My first cinema camera, thank you for your reminding video👍🏻👌🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great Video!
Glad you enjoyed it
i shot awesome footage on the BMCC but i cant figure out how to get it onto my computer now in 2022 technology !!
Get an SSD reader and download DaVinci Resolve :)
I shoot on this with my friend (it's his). I'm not saying it's better but I legitimately preferred it over the a7siii
It's a very special camera, I love them :)