How does is it compare to the dehler 30 OD. From the stats alone the Dehler should be a bit faster but similar. So unless this one is faster or much easier to sail I think it is a shame that we have another boat in this size. Would be better to concentrate on one boat per size and have bigger fleets, that is what OD sailors want anyway.
Given the structural and surface damages observed on racing scows, I have some doubt that a serial boat, especially from Jeanneau, which standards are known not to be the ones of JPK for instance, while hold the slamming that will occur. But looks amazing and would love to have one!
The Sunfast range seem to hold up pretty well, the 3200/3600 have been offshore staples for some time now. You can see from the interior that a lot of thought is given to structure and stiffness with interior space being a second concern.
Another great analysis Toby but one thing that I noticed is the untidy sheetsand halyards al loose in the cockpit sole da dangerous. On recycling I have my doughts hopefully I am wrong.
80,000 boats reach end-of-life every year just in Europe, and that only around 2,000 are properly dismantled. The remaining 78,000 are burned in incinerators, causing massive CO2 emissions, or buried in landfill leaving problems for future generations 400years off. “ For over a Decade its been a European legal requirement that vehicles be at least 80% recycled. Plastics, fabrics and trim parts are increasingly being made from recycled and recyclable materials. Composits used for door cards and soundproofing by Mercedes BMW Ford etc are made from Hemp products.. turbine blades use Hemp Hurd/ pith in place of balsa. The amount of composite boats scrapped every year in Australia would fill something like 6…8 stadiums. America and Canada alone account for over half of the words boat market and disposal. The big issue is the energy and resources consumed and if the resources can be recovered and reused. Also the harmfulness of the materials used in manufacture use and disposal. Micro plastics and nano plastics combined with the forever chemicals they are made from or contain are fundamentally life threatening ...Already a Scientific Fact . Causing premature births reduced fertility, cancers and a whole battery of clinical conditions. If you want a boat you need to think about what its made from and how its going to have to adapt to the changing legislative and ethical frame works. Personally i would like to see Glass dropped and basalt or Flax, hemp or bamboo used even chemically modified engineered wood worked into boat building ... that way you lock up carbon for the life of the boat.. As for recycling by manufacturer .. this is already a thing with Windelo ...they offer to buy back a yatch to recover the Basalt fiber. Natural and artificial enzymes are making huge inroads into potential recycling pathways. Remember burning fossil fuels and plastics has got us into this mess. The Earth took all that surplus Carbon out of circulation millions of years ago and buried it. Otherwise its doubtful we or countless other life forms would even exist. We still need plastics but we have to vastly reduce the amount and become a lot more careful about what we use and do with them. Unless you want to spend more and more time and money unblocking engine intakes filtering water and air.. and untangling props and rudders and swimming in a sea of plastics chemicals and effluent. The laws are already changing all over the world. Like the weather🌪️⚡🌀 🌊patterns and sea levels 🏝️and the species above and below the 🌅🧙♂️.
Nice contribution, but as the recent EU elections have taught us: we're all by far more racist than concerned with ecology. Stop worrying about the environment. The shit is for our kids.
@@fabienh3943 A bit late, I've studied this and taught the kids for decades. Linking what and how... this and other technical and other head in the sand planning myopia has affected us and our health environments for some 50 + yrs. Times up we can choose to Change things or we loose any options it just gets more expensive, restrictive and damaging the longer we fail to tackle them. We also increasingly face the problems of resource distribution and conflicts it's not in the financial and political interests of some to change the way we think about and do stuff.. and boy do they not like change and drilling down into the problems.
It definitely shouldn't be lasting as that doesn't sell. In 20 years at latest, it's out of fashion and so ready to be gotten rid of. Ecology is just another marketing term. Nobody gives a slightest damn. If you want to check, see the last EU elections: racist yes, ecologist no. Simple, but at least it's getting us rid of the silly guilt feelings about everything.
Typical greenwashing claims from industry that gets repeated by people who aren't boatbuilders as real. The most carbon emissions in the creation of a boat are sunk costs dealing with the production. Once it is built, it should be used until there's no economical life left. Then it'll be disposed of in a landfill. Unless Jenneau and Arkema are committing to buy back the boat and have made infrastructure to emission free reheat the crushed hull to 400 degrees, then this "sustainable recycle" claim is just theoretical. Like glass - recyclable in major economies and continental infrastructure; but absolutely not recycled in islands where economic and population density doesn't support glass bottling plants.
It's still better than not recyclable - or? And what's the life span of this boat? 50+ years?... It is possible to build recycling plants for boats like this that in 50 years time will use all renewable energy... And why dump it on some little island somewhere?... This ~30 ft sailboat is still A LOT better than every motor boat with an internal combustion engine on this planet - not to mention Jeff Bezos Monster 'yacht' and the like...
in some ways you are right but this builder have been demonstrating that's possible to build a production ocean racer sailboat made by riciclabile resins, trust me (I am a chemistry ad I work in the field) is not a piece of cake. We are at the beginning of new era and one of major player in the market and therefore technology leader have been telling we can do it.
Absolutely right. It's crazy to see that the industry pretends solving the problem that we have with the solutions that brought us here in the first place... We need to consume less. Not enough boats out there maybe? Just have a good look around mates.
@@alricmarchand2877 this is an ignorant and populist solution, a lot can be done, it can be done better and it can be done now. Not consuming is the solution that incompetent politicians are selling us because they don't know how or don't want to do anything
Recyclable? Is all sailing has left? Leave that nonsense out and get to the boat. The "eco-element" is a rationalization for sponsors. Resin and fiber should be recyclable as part of any program might be common sense if there is a net benefit (which there never is - just a gesture). Jeanneau would be much better served by aligning performance, value and comfort features against comparable.
How does is it compare to the dehler 30 OD. From the stats alone the Dehler should be a bit faster but similar. So unless this one is faster or much easier to sail I think it is a shame that we have another boat in this size. Would be better to concentrate on one boat per size and have bigger fleets, that is what OD sailors want anyway.
As always to the point. Thanks for the good review
At 7:40 Mr. Hodges say: "The beam is kept under 3 meters. Make it under the "?????" limit, there." What limit? What does that entail?
For trailing the boat on roads
Given the structural and surface damages observed on racing scows, I have some doubt that a serial boat, especially from Jeanneau, which standards are known not to be the ones of JPK for instance, while hold the slamming that will occur.
But looks amazing and would love to have one!
The Sunfast range seem to hold up pretty well, the 3200/3600 have been offshore staples for some time now. You can see from the interior that a lot of thought is given to structure and stiffness with interior space being a second concern.
Another great analysis Toby but one thing that I noticed is the untidy sheetsand halyards al loose in the cockpit sole da dangerous. On recycling I have my doughts hopefully I am wrong.
80,000 boats reach end-of-life every year just in Europe, and that only around 2,000 are properly dismantled. The remaining 78,000 are burned in incinerators, causing massive CO2 emissions, or buried in landfill leaving problems for future generations 400years off. “
For over a Decade its been a European legal requirement that vehicles be at least 80% recycled.
Plastics, fabrics and trim parts are increasingly being made from recycled and recyclable materials. Composits used for door cards and soundproofing by Mercedes BMW Ford etc are made from Hemp products.. turbine blades use Hemp Hurd/ pith in place of balsa.
The amount of composite boats scrapped every year in Australia would fill something like 6…8 stadiums.
America and Canada alone account for over half of the words boat market and disposal.
The big issue is the energy and resources consumed and if the resources can be recovered and reused.
Also the harmfulness of the materials used in manufacture use and disposal.
Micro plastics and nano plastics combined with the forever chemicals they are made from or contain are fundamentally life threatening ...Already a Scientific Fact .
Causing premature births reduced fertility, cancers and a whole battery of clinical conditions.
If you want a boat you need to think about what its made from and how its going to have to adapt to the changing legislative and ethical frame works.
Personally i would like to see Glass dropped and basalt or Flax, hemp or bamboo used even chemically modified engineered wood worked into boat building ... that way you lock up carbon for the life of the boat..
As for recycling by manufacturer .. this is already a thing with Windelo ...they offer to buy back a yatch to recover the Basalt fiber.
Natural and artificial enzymes are making huge inroads into potential recycling pathways.
Remember burning fossil fuels and plastics has got us into this mess. The Earth took all that surplus Carbon out of circulation millions of years ago and buried it. Otherwise its doubtful we or countless other life forms would even exist.
We still need plastics but we have to vastly reduce the amount and become a lot more careful about what we use and do with them. Unless you want to spend more and more time and money unblocking engine intakes filtering water and air.. and untangling props and rudders and swimming in a sea of plastics chemicals and effluent.
The laws are already changing all over the world. Like the weather🌪️⚡🌀 🌊patterns and sea levels 🏝️and the species above and below the 🌅🧙♂️.
Nice contribution, but as the recent EU elections have taught us: we're all by far more racist than concerned with ecology. Stop worrying about the environment. The shit is for our kids.
@@fabienh3943
A bit late, I've studied this and taught the kids for decades. Linking what and how... this and other technical and other head in the sand planning myopia has affected us and our health environments for some 50 + yrs.
Times up we can choose to
Change things or we loose any options it just gets more expensive, restrictive and damaging the longer we fail to tackle them. We also increasingly face the problems of resource distribution and conflicts it's not in the financial and political interests of some to change the way we think about and do stuff.. and boy do they not like change and drilling down into the problems.
So it is a rotomolded boat? If the costs lower, then it is viable.
Interesting comment section... Someone mentions recycling and suddenly there's ~10 commentators that are seemingly up in arms... Sigh.
being recyclable doesn't mean it will
Would t it be more important that the boat was built to last vs built to be recycled??
How do we know that it isn't built to last?... I don't see why there has to be a contradiction here...
It definitely shouldn't be lasting as that doesn't sell. In 20 years at latest, it's out of fashion and so ready to be gotten rid of. Ecology is just another marketing term. Nobody gives a slightest damn. If you want to check, see the last EU elections: racist yes, ecologist no. Simple, but at least it's getting us rid of the silly guilt feelings about everything.
Impressive
Typical greenwashing claims from industry that gets repeated by people who aren't boatbuilders as real.
The most carbon emissions in the creation of a boat are sunk costs dealing with the production. Once it is built, it should be used until there's no economical life left. Then it'll be disposed of in a landfill.
Unless Jenneau and Arkema are committing to buy back the boat and have made infrastructure to emission free reheat the crushed hull to 400 degrees, then this "sustainable recycle" claim is just theoretical. Like glass - recyclable in major economies and continental infrastructure; but absolutely not recycled in islands where economic and population density doesn't support glass bottling plants.
Why greenwashing? You said 'sustainable' not Jeanneau... recyclable is different to 'sustainable'
It's still better than not recyclable - or? And what's the life span of this boat? 50+ years?... It is possible to build recycling plants for boats like this that in 50 years time will use all renewable energy... And why dump it on some little island somewhere?... This ~30 ft sailboat is still A LOT better than every motor boat with an internal combustion engine on this planet - not to mention Jeff Bezos Monster 'yacht' and the like...
in some ways you are right but this builder have been demonstrating that's possible to build a production ocean racer sailboat made by riciclabile resins, trust me (I am a chemistry ad I work in the field) is not a piece of cake. We are at the beginning of new era and one of major player in the market and therefore technology leader have been telling we can do it.
Absolutely right. It's crazy to see that the industry pretends solving the problem that we have with the solutions that brought us here in the first place... We need to consume less. Not enough boats out there maybe? Just have a good look around mates.
@@alricmarchand2877 this is an ignorant and populist solution, a lot can be done, it can be done better and it can be done now. Not consuming is the solution that incompetent politicians are selling us because they don't know how or don't want to do anything
So in 50 years I can buy a toilet seat that was once a boat - wow!
I don't like the asimetric cabin. ...
Marketing bullshlte
Recyclable? Is all sailing has left? Leave that nonsense out and get to the boat. The "eco-element" is a rationalization for sponsors. Resin and fiber should be recyclable as part of any program might be common sense if there is a net benefit (which there never is - just a gesture). Jeanneau would be much better served by aligning performance, value and comfort features against comparable.