Another Pilot here …agreed….lets see what the FAA and NTSB hast to say on this one, ….to me ….looks more like extreme air contamination on both tanks 🧐
The Turbo Commander gear is extremely strong, when you remember to lower it prior to landing. Looks like he might have neglected to lower the gear, then did so, but after it was too late. The gear turns 90 degrees as it lowers from up under the wing (where it’s tucked up flat) and so there can be no other explanation other than forgetting it, since it looks to be in transit.
@sergioricardoneto . . . He said the problem started 100 ft above the ground. Gear should have been down before then. And yes, it’s just guessing at this point for everyone.
You idiots who know nothing about aviation should not be speculating, let alone throwing out dicey presumptions. What? Do you think he put the thing in the ground for views? Likes? Jesus
His explanation makes no sense, loud pop and vibration is not icing, hitting ground with no gear out makes more sense, icing doesn’t cause propellers to shear off
He shot the approach in IMC, icing conditions. He ended up in heavy rime ice and let it get slow. I got pics of the wings right after it happened. Ice still obvious on black boots. If he ended up with condition levers high and throttles at flight idle then those props go to 100% rpm and very fine pitch. An instant parachute effect coupled with the ice and his previously insufficient speed went away. He enters sink and pulls, making it worse. That plane didn’t land, it plopped down completely out of energy and busted all landing gear and hit both props at the same time. He’s lucky that he stalled it low, if he’d been 200 feet higher he’d be dead right now. AC69 series carry ref plus 20 and carry power all the way in!
As a pilot of 25 years, I can tell you his story makes no sense. To me it looks like he screwed up the landing. It can happen to the best of us. Just own it.
I have around 500hrs in a 690A grand renaissance and 695B (1,000). His story makes no sense. Most likely attempted to land gear up, tried to extend the landing gear and touched down again before they fully extended.
Great coverage Shannon - this story was presented perfectly. Thanks for capturing not only what happened, but the incredible story behind that airplane and its pilot. Great journalism and great production. Fantastic!
Gear doesn’t look like it was fully in the down lock position. Commanders gear come out and rotate 90 degrees. These main gear are in transit position. ( side ways) worked on several of them.
How do you knock off the props way up to the spinners? Not the 1st Aerocommander that became an insurance scheme. Probably owed a bunch of money after that bi polar stunt he filmed.... I did an Oopsie Dual engine failure? RiGhT.....
Let's see if I got this right. Loses both engines, at 115mph, 1/4 mile from a runway, and can't land properly? So much energy he bounces? Did I miss something? Seems he might have been missing fuel...
Lol. It couldnt be that he forgot to lower the landing gear?? Look at the mains...both were perpendicular to the long axis of the plane as if it was in transit. Nose gear was partially out as well. I'll bet his props hit the ground....oh crap ...lowers the landing gear handle and as the gear extends and the props disintegrate, the plane settles on the ground. Then a long explanation to minimize his error. This recently happened at Catalina Is as well.
He ran it out of gas, forgot to lower the gear, or simply flew it into the ground attempting to land in the darkness. Male ego prevents most pilots from admitting their mistakes, so they blame their crashes on the airplane, on the wind or, whatever.
somethings not right...both engines pop then die on short final over the fence?...props sheared on a gear up with a TP aero commander?..gears turned 90 degrees (they cycle 90 then tuck into the nacelles ) as if it was in transit when he hit?...the airframes a easy fix....two garret engines and props ain't
Esse avião irá voar de novo. Parabéns aviador, fez tudo certo na emergência. E a repórter falou certo, não é a maneira que um piloto gostaria de terminar o seu vôo. Essa sensação vai ficar com ele durante um tempo. Mas vai passar.
As a person of faith, I'm bound by a different covenant than the pilot, but our goal is the same, the pursuit of the truth, I for one believe him. (Contact: 1997)
I'm a retired commercial pilot and his explanation doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Very fishy explanation, it makes no sense.
At all
Another Pilot here …agreed….lets see what the FAA and NTSB hast to say on this one, ….to me ….looks more like extreme air contamination on both tanks 🧐
But its also possible KREM's editor cut out tons of info for time.
@@maddam50agreed
The Turbo Commander gear is extremely strong, when you remember to lower it prior to landing. Looks like he might have neglected to lower the gear, then did so, but after it was too late. The gear turns 90 degrees as it lowers from up under the wing (where it’s tucked up flat) and so there can be no other explanation other than forgetting it, since it looks to be in transit.
Sem motor não se abaixa o trem para não criar arrasto desnecessário. Até saber que livrou obstáculos, lembra você não tem potência. Palpiteiro
@sergioricardoneto . . . He said the problem started 100 ft above the ground. Gear should have been down before then. And yes, it’s just guessing at this point for everyone.
I’m inclined to agree with you though I would appreciate if you would provide some credentials.
@@patmahoney3120. . . Years of professional single-piloting in Turbo Commanders and school many times. You?
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Both engines quit? Somethings fishy.......
Yeah, just happened to be the last flight at the end of his documentary. Coincidence?
Yes …probable cause…extreme Air contamination on both fuel tanks…including the auxiliary tanks.
You idiots who know nothing about aviation should not be speculating, let alone throwing out dicey presumptions. What? Do you think he put the thing in the ground for views? Likes? Jesus
@@ver64 lol
Turbines rarely "just quit" but then again, aircraft accidents are statistically rare, despite the news causing folks to think otherwise.
I smell BS!
His explanation makes no sense, loud pop and vibration is not icing, hitting ground with no gear out makes more sense, icing doesn’t cause propellers to shear off
No but hitting the ground does
*The root cause is obvious. The props are worn to the spinners.*
I’ll let “Pilot Debrief” and Blancoliro do the assessment because it sounds very strange.
He shot the approach in IMC, icing conditions. He ended up in heavy rime ice and let it get slow. I got pics of the wings right after it happened. Ice still obvious on black boots. If he ended up with condition levers high and throttles at flight idle then those props go to 100% rpm and very fine pitch. An instant parachute effect coupled with the ice and his previously insufficient speed went away. He enters sink and pulls, making it worse. That plane didn’t land, it plopped down completely out of energy and busted all landing gear and hit both props at the same time. He’s lucky that he stalled it low, if he’d been 200 feet higher he’d be dead right now. AC69 series carry ref plus 20 and carry power all the way in!
a big pop on both sides, then vibration . Icing . Ha ha . that was the prop hitting the ground . gear up. darn it, Shoot, Opps.
As a pilot of 25 years, I can tell you his story makes no sense.
To me it looks like he screwed up the landing.
It can happen to the best of us. Just own it.
I have around 500hrs in a 690A grand renaissance and 695B (1,000). His story makes no sense. Most likely attempted to land gear up, tried to extend the landing gear and touched down again before they fully extended.
Totally agree
Every time they call this a "crash landing" their journalism creds plummet another thousand feet.
He's no Bob Hoover.
So sad, as Aero Commanders have become pretty scarce, but so glad it was a landing he ealked away from.
Great coverage Shannon - this story was presented perfectly. Thanks for capturing not only what happened, but the incredible story behind that airplane and its pilot. Great journalism and great production. Fantastic!
Perfectly? How did the landing gear get damaged?
Perfectly? How did the landing gear get damaged?
@@kellyash45 I was commending the reporter for the perfect job she did covering the story. How would you recommend she cover it?
@@ourlifeinwyoming4654 with some basic aviation knowledge to start
He surely didn’t help himself with the interview.
Gear up landing. Loud popping sound on BOTH sides was the props hitting the ground on both sides.
Gear doesn’t look like it was fully in the down lock position. Commanders gear come out and rotate 90 degrees. These main gear are in transit position. ( side ways) worked on several of them.
How do you knock off the props way up to the spinners? Not the 1st Aerocommander that became an insurance scheme.
Probably owed a bunch of money after that bi polar stunt he filmed.... I did an Oopsie Dual engine failure? RiGhT.....
@@HongyaMa “MT” brand composite props shatter instead of metal props which bend
@@scottstp7084 I know MT props. Even wheels up the props of an Aerocommander don't contact the ground... And replacing belly skins are a pain, BTDT
@@HongyaMa When he belly landed it, the wings tilted (banked) back and forth causing the prop strikes.
@@scottstp7084 Real skoppy. Repaired plenty that didn't have any strikes after a belly job🤣
@ yea totally skoppy!
Let's see if I got this right. Loses both engines, at 115mph, 1/4 mile from a runway, and can't land properly? So much energy he bounces? Did I miss something? Seems he might have been missing fuel...
Still can glide inn
115 knots 1/4 mile from the runway
Something is amiss here the odds of both quitting at the same time is rare. Although if he ran out of fuel maybe icing would not do that
Lol. It couldnt be that he forgot to lower the landing gear?? Look at the mains...both were perpendicular to the long axis of the plane as if it was in transit. Nose gear was partially out as well. I'll bet his props hit the ground....oh crap ...lowers the landing gear handle and as the gear extends and the props disintegrate, the plane settles on the ground. Then a long explanation to minimize his error. This recently happened at Catalina Is as well.
You cant park there.
Would have been less damage if landed gear up. Does not look totalled though waiting for the NTSB report. Definitely not a "good" landing by any means
No engine anti ice on?
4:00 AM OR PM?
Glad I had my boots on when listening to the pilots explanation, it got pretty deep.
Both engines quit? Weird
He forgot to turn on engine-anti ice.
He ran it out of gas, forgot to lower the gear, or simply flew it into the ground attempting to land in the darkness. Male ego prevents most pilots from admitting their mistakes, so they blame their crashes on the airplane, on the wind or, whatever.
many female pilots are also quite macho. your analysis is premature, and conveniently omits the pilots professionalism and experience.
somethings not right...both engines pop then die on short final over the fence?...props sheared on a gear up with a TP aero commander?..gears turned 90 degrees (they cycle 90 then tuck into the nacelles ) as if it was in transit when he hit?...the airframes a easy fix....two garret engines and props ain't
Blue sky's and tailwinds Robert.
He shut the engines down?
and no TV script reading automaton, the NTSB won't be investigating.
Ha, good joke.
Nope, It smells Bad . Not Kosher at all
Sad waste of a good plane!
Guess I'll just wait on the NTSB and Smithsonian Chanel to tell the whole story.
De Lorentis? i know that name...
Agreed…I smell a rotten fish.
Esse avião irá voar de novo. Parabéns aviador, fez tudo certo na emergência. E a repórter falou certo, não é a maneira que um piloto gostaria de terminar o seu vôo. Essa sensação vai ficar com ele durante um tempo. Mas vai passar.
As a person of faith, I'm bound by a different covenant than the pilot, but our goal is the same, the pursuit of the truth, I for one believe him. (Contact: 1997)
690 B
Great pilot. He saved himself and possibly others.
nope
Great BS artist
Excellent coverage, this pilot is no jot dog! The NTSB will find out what happened but don't harsh on him. I would fly with this Captain, no problem.
nope
Nope. He’s lying…
Why did God stop his flight?
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