its clear that OG doesn't want to play against Naga. Every Io game, has had a Naga ban. Also Naga is perfect at fucking teamfights with her song ruining the momentum of players like Ceb or Jerax that rely on initiating. I feel Naga is key if OG is to be beaten. OG drafts a lot of melee support, and Naga destroys melee heroes. Timber was an interesting answer and it has been shown it can work. But you need the others on the team to build accordingly as well. If that Morph had gone right click it couldve been different. I think another hero that might surprise OG is Underlord. Clearly OG doesn't like their heroes to get netted and Underlord has an Aoe net with a lot of magic damage and can tank the frontline. The way OG draft is different to the other teams, the other teams ban heroes that the enemy may pick or heroes that can mess the enemy strat. OG bans heroes that mess their strat, they do not care about getting technically countered, because they know what exactly fucks their strat. And heroes that have powerful roots (naga) and fuck up teamfights (naga) is definitely something they don't want to play against. Against OG, going first pick Naga might not be that bad. But it requires the team to build around that Naga. But it ruins OG's plan, as they will have to change their drafting method. Their current method is building what's best for the team. If Naga is picked, OG will need to draft to counter the Naga. And OG knows their weaknesses very well. They know they are not the type of team built on countering the enemy, OG shines when Topson and Ana are free to play the way they want. If they draft to counter the enemy, it will fuck Jerax, Ceb and NoTail. And if you ruin these 3 game, it make it much harder for Ana or Topson to carry.
Interesting, u right my friend, in some games i saw nagas ban and i didnt understand why, but maybe that naga song its disgusting, u have bad position in tf, just activate that and tp, you dont have any item to counter that ulti.
Ana's innate sense for efficient game-play is so next level. He knew CM was slowed so he decided to LH the creep while 95% of DotA players would just commit to the kill.
The reason he went for the creep is because he was blood raged by Blood Seeker, so it gave him more hp before going for the kill. If it wasn't for that, I don't think he would've went back for the creep.
@@Cobeanie I'm not saying he did need it, but it serves two purposes since he gets more gold and is more safer in going for the kill so it is a smart play regardless.
Played dota for 10 years havent been following last 2 years, so this is pretty amazing good to see old faces still playin, suprised that fuckinmad moved from coach to a ti winner !
I still hope the ti winning line up comeback together for ti10.. another ti on og's belt would've been a nice send-off for some of the players.. i miss all of the old crazy OG moments
i think the way OG play is that they do not give a fuck about the Pro Circuit. It's all about TI. This is how they used to do things as well when they dominated the Majors. They really didn't care about other competitions, but the 4 Majors they would play at their best. But unfortunately that affected their TI performance as people would have them targetted. Now this is not the case anymore. They do not care about the Circuit, and focus entirely on TI. Besides if they win TI, they get probably far more money than if they won all the Majors in the Circuit.
The more I go back and watch these ana Io games the more I realise how incredibly broken that hero was. Spirit Hero Damage at 15 with aghs was so ridiculously stupid and of course it's OG who abuse it first, the biggest brain men in the scene. Also between about 1:58:20 and 1:58:50 Wisp does about 3000 of the teams damage in that period of time, himself. Like. WHAT. The casters missed that bcos Troll is a scary boi.
Late reply but I'll fire away anyway. They already know how strong it is. They casted the OG vs NIP game after all and theorycrafted the power spike. What they're marvelling is how OG's gonna defend against Fnatic's Timbersaw.
Grant sounds like he’s getting nauseous listening to these two try to out philosophize each other. Do these two love to hear their own voices or what? Jesus fuck.
I'm laughing at the chatting and them basically spamming each other in Chinese. "Mommy I got my immortality" "Sounds spicy" "Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb" Kookaburra laugh...yeah Brilliant...
You said best magnus player BSJ, man you really think he is any close to Arise. I mean I love ceb, personality, plays and all the package. But the best magnus was, is and will always be ARISE
Yeah being good at pubs means nothing if you can't show it in tournament. Ar1se have been in and out of many teams and he never really achieve anything. Guess that's the problem by being good at only 1 hero, you get easily countered.
i would appreciate it if there was some rule to play standard skins on hereoes and disable those fucking voicelines in tournaments of this calibre. it just sounds like a fucking freakshow
![[EN] OG vs NIP - The International 2019 Group Stage](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UE_mE4Sr8og/mqdefault.jpg)
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Watching OG games on loop now. Miss JeRaX being pro and watching all the OG madness
Same. It’s a beauty.
Same hahaha
Yup
Same ..hehe😁
@Leida Waterfall pale buto
2 great games. Fnatic made valiant effort in the second game, but Kyle was correct about the itemization problems within their team.
Kyle is never correct though.
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holy hell jerax single handedly HANDLED jabz' morph in game 2
Love how at 45:43 the announcers are speechless in awe of the bold aggression by Ana into Fnatic's base.
its clear that OG doesn't want to play against Naga. Every Io game, has had a Naga ban. Also Naga is perfect at fucking teamfights with her song ruining the momentum of players like Ceb or Jerax that rely on initiating.
I feel Naga is key if OG is to be beaten. OG drafts a lot of melee support, and Naga destroys melee heroes. Timber was an interesting answer and it has been shown it can work. But you need the others on the team to build accordingly as well. If that Morph had gone right click it couldve been different.
I think another hero that might surprise OG is Underlord. Clearly OG doesn't like their heroes to get netted and Underlord has an Aoe net with a lot of magic damage and can tank the frontline.
The way OG draft is different to the other teams, the other teams ban heroes that the enemy may pick or heroes that can mess the enemy strat. OG bans heroes that mess their strat, they do not care about getting technically countered, because they know what exactly fucks their strat. And heroes that have powerful roots (naga) and fuck up teamfights (naga) is definitely something they don't want to play against.
Against OG, going first pick Naga might not be that bad. But it requires the team to build around that Naga. But it ruins OG's plan, as they will have to change their drafting method. Their current method is building what's best for the team. If Naga is picked, OG will need to draft to counter the Naga. And OG knows their weaknesses very well. They know they are not the type of team built on countering the enemy, OG shines when Topson and Ana are free to play the way they want. If they draft to counter the enemy, it will fuck Jerax, Ceb and NoTail. And if you ruin these 3 game, it make it much harder for Ana or Topson to carry.
Agree. Whenever I see Naga ban, high percentage of IO getting picked.
Interesting, u right my friend, in some games i saw nagas ban and i didnt understand why, but maybe that naga song its disgusting, u have bad position in tf, just activate that and tp, you dont have any item to counter that ulti.
sure whatever wannabe pro player
are you a pro player? try telling this to all the teams they beat maybe they listen you. maybe even hire you as a coach ☜╮(´ิ∀´ิ☜╮)
Noted
43:18 clutch play by N0tail wth
1:55:00 Notail cancels ET's stomp on roshan
Quarantine log 2021: still watching OG ti9. We need ana back
Aaaand he is back
Aaand he is gone
1:51:12 og gets one kill and its GG u ever stop the throttle against this team one mistake and its over, thats whey they are the goat
20:50 he turns around to get a creep before continuing to chase CM damn.
Ana's innate sense for efficient game-play is so next level. He knew CM was slowed so he decided to LH the creep while 95% of DotA players would just commit to the kill.
The reason he went for the creep is because he was blood raged by Blood Seeker, so it gave him more hp before going for the kill. If it wasn't for that, I don't think he would've went back for the creep.
@@SaintDeezy he didnt need the HP at that point
@@Cobeanie I'm not saying he did need it, but it serves two purposes since he gets more gold and is more safer in going for the kill so it is a smart play regardless.
@@SaintDeezy i see 👍
Played dota for 10 years havent been following last 2 years, so this is pretty amazing good to see old faces still playin, suprised that fuckinmad moved from coach to a ti winner !
I still hope the ti winning line up comeback together for ti10.. another ti on og's belt would've been a nice send-off for some of the players.. i miss all of the old crazy OG moments
i think the way OG play is that they do not give a fuck about the Pro Circuit. It's all about TI. This is how they used to do things as well when they dominated the Majors. They really didn't care about other competitions, but the 4 Majors they would play at their best. But unfortunately that affected their TI performance as people would have them targetted.
Now this is not the case anymore. They do not care about the Circuit, and focus entirely on TI. Besides if they win TI, they get probably far more money than if they won all the Majors in the Circuit.
The more I go back and watch these ana Io games the more I realise how incredibly broken that hero was. Spirit Hero Damage at 15 with aghs was so ridiculously stupid and of course it's OG who abuse it first, the biggest brain men in the scene.
Also between about 1:58:20 and 1:58:50 Wisp does about 3000 of the teams damage in that period of time, himself. Like.
WHAT. The casters missed that bcos Troll is a scary boi.
46:10 how do you just show up in ti and do this....dude u had an 7 month vacation lma0
2nd game is spectacular
Game 1 draft 0:00
Game 1 start 14:44
[Anti-spoiler when game 2 starts]
Game 2 draft 1:15:54
Game 2 start 1:30:39
That was quite thoughtful!
Thanks
isn't the fact that there's only 2 games a spoiler?
@@bbfizzle_ in group stage, there are 2 games no matter what
@@sssamyak really? so who wins? o:
2021 still watch OG, I miss Ana and Jerax....
sometimes i look back to this game and wonder if OG would have won 2nd game if morph goes e-blade BKB instead of linken aghs
43:20 notail and jerax blocked ana in from the bloodseeker 🙏
with these 2 games, it is the fourth game OG plays dire... can someone explain how this is sorted out?
1:37:05 jerax left him hanging 🤣
"he went vacation for 6 months" hes on cd actually
57:00 what's next
Rewatching since Ana has potentially returned on forevers smurf
Cm with blink dagger is cute 😄😄
Hes wanna be an initiator u moron
ti8 fluke? 55:47
Someone tell ana that hes not alche on game 1, he shouldn't be that farmed 😱
Shao Xun Leong hahahahahaha!! Right!
i wish you were better than him
23:22 🤣
49:50 OG down 1 tower, Fnatic down to 1 tower. Jeez.
Attack on Titan reference on Dota 2..Very nice
1:37:30 oh my god indeed
Man, Io Aghanim's is so strong. A ball of 300 damage every second is some serious DPS, and a point the casters kinda missed in the last game.
Late reply but I'll fire away anyway.
They already know how strong it is. They casted the OG vs NIP game after all and theorycrafted the power spike.
What they're marvelling is how OG's gonna defend against Fnatic's Timbersaw.
'It's not 100% slow, you can still move'
'When I say 100% slow, it means 100 movespeed in Dota'.
Lololol
whats funny? he's correct
Grant sounds like he’s getting nauseous listening to these two try to out philosophize each other. Do these two love to hear their own voices or what? Jesus fuck.
28:46 someone has farted out loud during casting.
Fucking Topson stole rampage.
I'm laughing at the chatting and them basically spamming each other in Chinese.
"Mommy I got my immortality"
"Sounds spicy"
"Ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb"
Kookaburra laugh...yeah
Brilliant...
The disappointment of that caster on topson's earth spirit at the end of game 1 says it all how annoying of a player he is but great at the same time.
dang
N is GOD
i think DOTA should change the rule..Before the ban each team should at least choose hero unopposed or unbanned by the other team..that will be fair
no
u suck so no
Way too quiet
It's a China production, don't expect much
the sound guy really didn't like bsj, must have unplugged his mic altogether
This is group stage. They probably playing at their hotel room.
Fruitless kill. Well said.
You said best magnus player BSJ, man you really think he is any close to Arise. I mean I love ceb, personality, plays and all the package. But the best magnus was, is and will always be ARISE
@@tscool0109 i dont know if he ever played on the main stage xdxd.... but he played pubs with most main stage players i guess.
Yeah being good at pubs means nothing if you can't show it in tournament. Ar1se have been in and out of many teams and he never really achieve anything. Guess that's the problem by being good at only 1 hero, you get easily countered.
lol bro
Way too many analogies from Kyle trying to be wise.
grant's casting is so bad holy shit, great games
k
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i would appreciate it if there was some rule to play standard skins on hereoes and disable those fucking voicelines in tournaments of this calibre. it just sounds like a fucking freakshow
just realized that bias caster is actually cringe