My original theater build was not AT. I had my center underneath it. Changing the room over to AT is absolutely one of the best things I’ve done with the room. Highly recommended. Wish I had started that way. Rocking a 163” Seymour scope screen now.
@yourname! I’m sorry, lol, I watched this video right before I watched that awesome DIY install, the one with the Stereo Integrity components, and thought I was losing it when the end of this one came up! Another solid video, fantastic job yourn, er…I mean Youthman!
I have watched your build videos and all the work shows. Especially the hand made woodwork on the cabinet. I wanted to do a screen lift similars to yours to hide a OLED tv with the idea of saving bulb life. But just couldn’t make it work to my liken. Thanks for all your help with your videos.
Such a great setup I've followed for years when you were upgrading from the La Scala days. It should not go without saying that you made a LOT of good decisions in real time when this beautiful home theater was being built. Good decisions were made back then and then quality improvements were made when new equipment became available. This is the good stuff. 😎
@@Youthman Hey. Can I use studio monitors instead of home theatre speakers? Reason: studio monitors are affordable and sound great. While home theatre speakers are expensive, look great but not sure about quality.
Technically yes but you would need power to each speaker and an RCA from each preout on your AavR to each speakers. I don’t see the benefit of doing that.
I sit usually 6-7 feet from my 135" screen and it's never been a problem. I even get in a little closer sometimes with 4K's. I don't see it being a problem unless you've got a low resolution source or are real sensitive to motion sickness.
Hey Youthman, great intro to ATP screens! My current fabric is Stewart StudioTek 130 G4, 135” diag, 2.35:1, 1.3 gain, non-ATP. I will be doing a new room soon where I have the option to switch to ATP fabric, and I have been recommended to keep my current frame and use the same Stewart ST130 G4 fabric but with microperf. I believe your screen is woven, but still I’d like to ask you a few questions if I may. 1. I love that you have a 150” screen and you enjoy sitting so close. My MLP has been 10’ from my 135” non-ATP screen, but I’ve been recommended to go to at least 11’ and preferably at least 12’ with the microperf fabric to avoid seeing the holes, which would be a bit of a bummer for me since I too enjoy a closer more immersive MLP. Since you sit so close to your 150”, what has your experience been with noticing the weave? 2. Did you previously pair your JVC projector with a solid non-ATP screen before changing to your ATP screen, and if so, would you say you had a noticeable drop in image brightness/clarity with the ATP? I see mixed experiences online about this subject. I have a JVC RS2100 projector that has been professionally calibrated, and I watch everything on the Mid power setting except for 3D movies, and although I am pretty well satisfied with my current image, I don’t think I would be very happy with any noticeable dip in image brightness after switching to the microperf. 3. Any reason you would recommend I go with the woven screen instead of the microperf? Speaker distance limitations behind the screen will not be a factor for me - btw, I’m also running JTR LCR and subs in part due to your positive coverage of them! 4. After answering these questions, would you still say hands down 100% zero regrets that ATP is the way to go? If you see this and have the time to answer with your personal opinions, I’d greatly appreciate it! Take care!
I know the was a year ago so who knows which direction you went but I'm in the similar position screen shopping. Perforated screens like the micro perf will require you to have the screen 8-12" away from your speakers to reduce comb filtering and damping. Also, being closer than ~11ft you might see the perforations on the screen. Woven doesn't have these issues although there are some woven that do need to be further away to limit seeing the weave.
wow man! That's huge! I'm looking to get a screen from Seymour as well and I just got my NZ8! Question, my room is also 13.5' wide, 17 ft deep. What is your throw distance with the NZ8? Also, when playing 16:9 content, does it bleed into the velvet or do you need to hit a different lens memory to adjust? thanks!
Isn’t it an acousticALLY transparent screen? (Not a native speaker but seems more logical to me). Following your channel I really see the benefits of such a screen. Would like to do a blind test one day to hear how it affects the sound from the speaker. In a setup such as yours it would be easy. Your speakers (and speaker lights) look great.
I have a very similar setup, same size screen, same fabric, similar seating distance. My l/c/r are Arendal 1723 monitors. When I have the l/r behind the screen, I find I have a collapsed soundstage like you describe, with diminished clarity, presence and impact. Still really good, but when I move those speakers out to the side and a little forward, they really open up, coming to life with sparkle and panache. Especially with stereo music content. Which is a pity, because I, like you, appreciate the clean look of the hidden speakers.
@@Youthman I did some more experimentation today inspired by your video and found that with speakers behind the screen but with less toe in, the do sound better. I also set up some front wides and using dts neutal:x up mixer in my av8805, I now have a vary close approximation in terms of sound stage to the 'ideal' l/r placement.
The problem with a 150" diag screen scope is that a good projector calibrated will struggle to give decent FL at that size on a low gain AT screens as most of them are if it's a weave one. The max angle recommended normally for scope is 50° so you are way higher than that but to each it's own . I would never go with an AT screen until a top of the line projector like JVC can deliver enough Calibrated light to not take the hit in brightness, contrast etc depending on the screen selected. A great center like the revel c208 can project sound beautifully as to fool you into hearing the sound coming from the screen. Beautiful room tbough
I was considering upgrading to micro perf or weave, but was worried about seeing the screen texture. You sit about the same distance as I do, is that an issue?
I have a very similar setup to Michael, with the same fabric etc. and it’s not a problem. Yes, you can see texture when the lights are on but once the movie stars it’s a non issue. Indeed, I even had a couple of ripples in my screen due to less than optimal tensioning, and these also melted away when the projector powered up, to such an extent that it took me months to work up the motivation to fix the screen, such was the negotiable impact.
Amazing setup. I am soon planning to upgrade my 85” tv setup to a 150” AT screen. Question: do i need a special receiver to produce the center channel imaging? I have a yamaha 7.1 receiver.
7:34 If you have a platform behind the screen and want to use floor towers you could (if they are flat on top) place them upside down on their head with risers to get the tweeter at the optimal height, or hang them upside down from the ceiling. Lucky for me, I have a low enough platform behind my screen that my 3 monoprice monolith T6 speakers can be placed on it and still have the tweeters at perfect ear level.
Nice video. I always enjoy your content. I never knew that movie theaters put speakers behind their screens although, it should have been obvious. Do you know of any projector that can display the same size quality image like at the movie theaters? I know it’s crazy but I I’d love to have as much of a true movie theater experience as possible.
YouthMan, outstanding video, I’ve been with you for a while ! Which projector are you using? Did you go down the route of a stand alone video processor like Lumagen Thank you you system keeps getting better Great screen
Well done , this will be my next upgrade. Clean area like actual theatre . Just one question: it's hard to believe that the screen is not moving at all with these huge 18" speakers? I know this is a transparent screen but we are talking of massive air moving from these subwoofers. So honestly, is the fabric moving? What's the distance between woofers and fabric? Thank you
I have the 3 X JTR 212 RT speakers with the SI AT screen. I attached the blackening AT mesh that is to keep speaker and cabinet reflection from coming through the screen. I can tell that the high vocals are cut a bit when the screen is in front, you can walk behind the screen wall and hear some of the missing highs. A large impactor is my pb-16's running open port with the air hitting my screen making is noticeable during a movie. I had to turn my sub 90 degrees due to this. AT screens are the bomb, but for high end music, you will find that you don't want that screen in front of any speaker. MY forte is movies, so I understand what I am giving up.
@tkcdac Your SI screen is also probably a perforated screen which also limits the sound pass through a bit compared to the woven fabric material of the Seymour screen. The woven material will always be the better option for a better sound.
Hey Michael, Today is a good day for me. I’m finally leaving my media room days behind me. And now I’m starting my first Dedicated Home theater. My Epson 5050UB pro projector arrived today. I’m changing the grey paint color to a darker grey, I already have DIY acoustic treatment for the room. The Monoprice fiber optic HDMI 2.O 4k and a long length of 12v. Trigger cable. Any suggestion’s for cable type and brand? Thanks in advance.
100%. The main reason for me is I just don’t have a big enough room to have subwoofers on the floor. There’s no inherent benefit to putting them behind the screen if you have the room.
Off-topic. Whatever happened to DTS in consumer electronics space? Why isn't there as much Dolby Atmos equivalent (DTS:X) movies in blu-ray or in movie theaters? Is DTS a dying company now?
In the future i would like to have the "YouthMan screen" which i saw on another channel & was inspired by yours. I want that cabinet style too thank you!❤🙂
Very nice That's what I was going to ask about the the left center and right being too close to each other but the screen is so large that I didn't realize how far they are from each other awesome system, space is a bit of a problem for me
I love that clean look you have there. If our small theater could be set up with an ats i would so do it, but with our small 12x12 space i don't think that could be done.
@@Youthman Love this Vid. Love that Silver Ticket sponsored the video. We also have a 120' Silver Ticket Screen. This room is fantastic. This proves you never know what you could do in a space until you see other ideas. You have my wheels turning now lol :) Thanks for sharing buddy, stay blessed.
Oh gotcha! I was confused. 🤣 yes I’m really grateful when brands are willing to make these type of videos possible as many of them From the Florida theater tour can be an an eight hour round-trip
Greetings Sir from the mountains of The Philippines! I have followed you for years & have copied several of your concepts. Our mutual friend Wayne Pomposa / Team designed my 4x8 meter dedicated Theater. Regarding my 150inch screen, may I please know the manufacturer & part number of the gas shocks you used in your Theater build? Thank you in advance for your time Sir, BC Rigg
Interesting... I was looking at that same Seymour material myself a while ago while thinking about upgrading my room to a DIY AT screen. One question though... did you or do you notice any sound change at all when the screen is down compared to screen up - since it is easy for you to do this. Might be an interesting idea for a video for your channel - I wonder could you use some accurate audio mic to show the spectrum 20-20kHz when down and up to see any drop-off in any frequencies. I know you could just use yours ears, but probably not very accurate. I know slight drops can be compensated for by AVR built-in tech like Odyssey, Dirac etc
I have not done that type of measurements. Would be interesting but it’s common knowledge there is a slight attenuation at the top end when using an AT screen, but like you said, room correction can easily correct that few dB dip in the top end. All I can say is it sounds incredible to me having my LCR anchored directly behind the screen. I will never be able to have it any other way.
Hey Michael! I was wondering how your projector handles scenes where the aspect ratios change, like in the obvious films such as the dark knight with its imax scenes. Since your screen is 2.35:1, does it switch ratios? Or does it just stay in that format. Thanks brother! 🤙
It switches but I mask above and below the screen. There are so few movies that switch aspect ratios, there is no reason for me to try and optimize my setup for mixed aspect ratios.
What is the distance from the bottom of the screen frame to the floor? Working on a dedicated home theater room in my unfinished basement. The area I want to utilize is almost identical in room dimensions though I'm limited to 8ft ceilings? Also is a 12 inch riser plenty for rear seats?
You always make great videos and i enjoy watching, but i have to think the picture quality has to be not great especially that close. Cant you see all the perforations?
Image quality is amazing. I have guests that visit that didn’t realize a projector could look that nice. My screen is a weave so there are no perforations. I cannot see the weave at all when watching any content.
Thanks a lot for every video you made which I have seen most if not all. What gain of screen you have? With 5050ub and spandex material, would 150 size be too big and effects brightness, contrast etc?
Thank you for the kind words. I have the Seymour Center Stage XD material. All of the info on it can be found here. www.seymourav.com/screensDIY.php I ran it with the 5040 on 150” screen and it looked great. Feel free to reach out to see more if you have any specific questions.
It’s actually a downside. I had my equipment neatly stacked behind the screen for a while and found that the glowing LEDs and various info panels were quite visible. Yes, you can do your best to turn off any that have that facility, and cover others up with tape and whatnot, but I never quite got rid of it all. And if everything is not completely Matt black, you can sometimes get little reflections off the shiny surfaces that distract quite a bit. I’ve since moved my gear off to the side of the room and solved the problem
Absolutely end game for me. Currently still have Klipsch surrounds and Atmos. Eventually would like to move towards all JTR but Jessica took a 6 month leave of absence from teaching so no funds for the theater room lol
Youthman - Happy Father’s Day! Thank you for this excellent video. I just received samples from Seymour of the Center Point XD and UF fabric weaves. Seymour apparently says you should sit about 11ft from XD in order to not see the weave. I’m sitting about 10ft from the screen and the weave doesn’t seem that noticeable. Seymour says if the XD weave bothers you then use the UF fabric, which is an inferior fabric weave. How’s the weave for the XD for you sitting at 9 ft?
Is there a reason why you did not do a black backing on your seymour screen? - or is it because there is already a black background? I am discussing the purchase of a frame and screen from Seymour in the Fall 2024.
@@Youthman Many thanks for the clarification! Much appreciated. (My current screen has a black backing. Upgrading from 110 inches to 120 inches which is the largest I can go given my room’s unique structural features.) SeymourAV sent me several samples and I have attached them to my current screen, and as it happens, movie “faces” appear on those samples and in panning shots the differences in the faces really jump out at you. As it is, I am considering the differences between the Centre Stage XD material and Seymour’s Centre Stage UF2 material. (They sent me NEO too but it is twice the cost.) My movie fanatic daughter, husband and her 3 young children will likely make the decision. I find it heartwarming that all I have to do is whisper “movie” and everybody shows up within a couple days! Like bees to honey . . . every time. Heartwarming. Wifey goes into popcorn production mode . . . out comes the pop and liquorice, etc. All the kids toys stored outside the room suddenly appear inside including exercise balls that the kids bounce around on etc. Very cute to watch it all happen. BTW: Congrats to you and your partners regards 2024 MWAVE! Watched several vloggers reviews such as Hatoraid Cowboy’s coverage. Nicely done! And noted your announcement for your new upcoming project. I will watch with interest. Wishing you all the best! Regards!
Great video, I have been debating building out my front wall for an AT screen. It would jump my screen size from 106" to 135". It will eliminate my front of three rows, my MLP is currently in the middle row. But that would make the front row still on a riser and would be 9.5' from the screen. It will be a lot of work to do it and I would have to move my projector back and it has in ceiling wiring and a power outlet right there so not sure how I would handle that. You may have convinced me to take on the change as a winter project.
@@Youthman I have been thinking about it for a couple months now. It's just such a big job based on the existing room, I plan to take the next step and actually draw up plans as if I am going to do it and see exactly how much work needs to be done. I can't put my subs behind the screen as they are too deep and my entrance is in the front corner so I can only pull the wall out 23" or it will interfere with the entrance door and my subs are 24" deep, so I need to build the subs mostly into the wall and have the platform for the speakers for above them. I should have room for 3" of Rockboard insulation behind all the speakers to help with sound. The question is.....is 17" of extra screen worth all the work and expense??
Make sure you test samples of the AT screens before you commit. Make sure to test them with black backing because your screen will be dimmer and if you increase the current size, even more so you want to make sure you got enough light to provide an adequate image brightness. AT screens are not a panacea. They have their own share of cons not only pros
Any chance you’d be up for reviewing the PSA TV1512? Looks like an interesting option for the price point. Would love to see how it compares to Monolith 15 or really any measurements on it! Can’t find anything! Thanks! Love your stuff!
Hi Michael! can you also tell us if you have any additional benefit, other than solving the space constraint in your room, of having the sub placed at 2-4ft height. ?
Michael, have you thought about painting that wood in the front a good black/dark grey color? I think that would look great on an already stellar theater!
That was the original plan but after seeing how many hours my friend put into the custom cabinet, there is no possible way I could hide the craftsmanship.
Another great video! You may have mentioned this elsewhere, but what is the distance of your projector from your screen? I'd love to use a larger screen (I have the space) but I only have 12ft from my back wall to my screen. Anything that can be added to an existing projector to get a larger image without needing to purchase a different projector?
Unfortunately every projector has its own rated throw distance range. I had to place mine outside of my room it’s around 16 1/2 feet which barely allows me to achieve 150 inch. You can go to projectorcentral.com and use their Projector calculator to see the range that your projector will allow for
@@Youthman I was wondering how you achieved the 150" in your room and now I know how! Sadly I can't place the projector outside of my room/space, so I'll have to make due for now. I wish more higher end projectors would support mid range throw distances, or offer an alt SKU with slightly different optics, but I know my needs are niche within an already niche hobby. Thanks for confirming!
Youthman, really love your videos my room is very similar in size to yours. however, where my screen would go, there is another room on the opposite side. any suggestions to still put the speakers behind screen and sound proof so that other room does not hear would be greatly appreciated.
I'm a little late to the table, but I didn't see anyone ask about loss of image brightness with an AT screen. Have you done any testing to compare image brightness with 1.0 gain AT vs 1.0 non-AT screen?
Unfortunately, I do not have the tools or an extra screen to be able to measure the differences. I can say that I will gladly accept a slight reduction in brightness for the benefits outlined in this video that an AT screen provides.
Hello Michael I have looked over the comments but didn't see the info I am looking for, could you tell me the height from the floor to the bottom of the lower Velcro above the cabinet please. I am building the same screen size, but need to build the stage. thank you kindly. I love the speakers I am about to build my own as we speak.
@@Youthman Thank you , one last question, if your screen is 140 in wide , how far in did you start your L and R speakers. from the edge of the screen , I'm asking because the calculation I am reading, the screen isn't wide enough to covers the speakers. Maybe in a prefect world the calculation is true. My room is 19 feet wide. but the depth is only 20 ft. but i want the 150 in screen .
Hi, i have a doubt. see, most of the movies and series in OTT channels are in 1.65:1 aspect ratio (if i am correct, or 1.85), rather than 2.35:1 aspect ratio. so, when we play the same in 1.65:1 aspect ratio screen, it will be showing in full screen. but when we play a movie in 2.35:1 ratio, we can see that with black bars above and below. we never have to change the focus of the projector. And how will be the projection in this 2.35:1 aspect ratio screen? ok, if we play a cinema-scope movie, we can see in full screen. and what if we play a 1.65:1 aspect ratio video here? will we see black bars on the left and right?
Lesson? Is an option not a lesson..a lesson would imply this is the best option when is not. It has its own compromises so it is up to each person to decide which option works best for our particular needs. I have an AT screen in a smaller room because it works for that room but for my main room, there is no way the AT screen will deliver because of low gain making me sacrifice the screen size or affecting the brightness levels. Different options for different situations.
@@Youthman I bet. Like I mentioned we use the Pioneer Elite Andrew Jones 5.2.4 and it’s loud and clear but the compression is not there like what you have. I’d love to have an experience like that at home. Don’t get me wrong the SVS PB1000s pressurize the room but the mid bass is probably nothing compared to what you get. My time alignment is pretty spot on and the RTA shows a pretty flat curve but I am missing the volume you get at an actual theater. Just means I need to really sit down and decide what we want in the future.
Sorry I was looking at my phone and did not click on the video I assumed you were talking about my set up. If you’re referring to the IMAX, I have no idea what speakers they use for their LCR
No your system is awesome, I been watching you change and delete for some time now. Once I get out of this rental and into my own house out of FL and into GA, I plan on having a dedicated HT. One step at a time, I especially like how you can raise and lower your screen. In the future you should get some actuators and hook to your hydraulic lifters and add your Alexa to it, so you can just say Alexa open screen. As far as the IMAX theater goes both ways just wondering which speakers were which it would s hard to tell whech ones are center the way they are incorporated. Take care and keep up the good work.
That photo is likely the left and center speaker. The right speaker is not shown. That’s why it might have been confusing. Most cinemas use identical speakers for their LCR. I have considered the actuators for my screen but the ones I’ve seen are slow, loud and the other issue is I often have other speakers or lighting that are set in front of the screen and if I’m not careful, it could hit them. It would be a cool effect but manually lifting works fine for me
What is your throw distance? I’m considering the same Seymour XD at 140in scope. I read on AVS that the actual gain on that screen is 0.8 and not 1.1. Based on audio advices calculator my Sony vplwx6000es won’t be bright enough with that gain at 19 feet. What do you think?
@@Youthman Thanks! Do you happen to know if the 1.1 gain Seymour reports is accurate or do you think it’s lower? I’m trying to do 140 diagonal (2.35) at 19 ft.
@@Youthman No worries. I appreciate your help and reply. I just subscribed and I’m really enjoying your content. One last question if you don’t mind: do you notice the weave or any picture quality differences sitting so close to the screen? I know Seymour recs for >12 ft for the XD material.
We have lived here 14 years and I have not once had my neighbors complain. I told them from the beginning if it’s ever too loud, please give me a call or a text and I will gladly turn it down immediately. We have great relationships with our two neighbors
Should measure the same but with more output. I can assure you I absolutely do not need any more output in my room. I’ve measured 115dB at 8Hz and I’m now flat down to 5Hz.
@@Youthman that’s incredible! So sealed would be better off in a room where all 4 sides ares closed off? I’m still in the daydream phase until I can build a bigger house, while I continue to tweak my current living room setup. Been following your channel for the past two years now. Your stained wood cabinet is probably the best thing I love about your setup!
I always thought a curved screen was to deal with the image distortion from using an anamorphic lens. I could be wrong but I think that's the reason they were once around but rare now there's lens memory and zoom.
@@Youthman That's interesting. Even Seymour would recommend UF at 9'. I think they say 12' minimum on the XD. But it doesn't show all that much unless it's a larger white or light area in the picture.
Keep in mind, Seymour does this for a living. The VAST majority of people that visit my theater are not videophiles. If you have great vision AND you are looking to see if you can see the weave during a movie, you might be able to see it. Seymour customers are DIY Home Theater Enthusiasts, many of which could be videophiles. The last thing they want to have are returns because a customer isn’t satisfied. It’s best to err on the side of caution and make sure you are within their recommended distance.
Thankyou sir... sir i do have one more question according to you which screen is better interms of both image and sound quality is it perforated or woven screen.
👍 I've made an at screen out of black and white matte milliskin. Think it works great, and love the sound coming from the screen, not under/over. Paired with an optoma p2..
I’ve seen and am extremely irritated with the Moire Effect at first rate cinemas and on high dollar AT screens in Best Buy’s Magnolia Rooms. It completely turned me off of considering an AT screen for my home theater, but now Michael has provided us with the solution. Thanks!
is it 19 feet deep before or after accounting for the 4 feet deep cabinet from the wall? i hope i heard you correctly about that. crazy, your measurements are almost identical to mine so i am trying to figure out if i have the space to do double rows and speakers inside the screen. thank you very much for the great content!!
Complete overkill on the substage for this tiny room. I will never understand why all of you Home Theater TH-camrs go hog wild with the gear. Nobody needs 4 - 18" subs for this size of theater.
I prefer watching Apple TV stuff with AirPods 3.Gen. for Dolby Atmos on a huge screen even with several speakers behind it. Try it yourself. It’s an option than you don’t want install a big sound system or someone want to sleep in the house. Apple TV supports more than one pair of AirPods. You don’t need a receiver. Just hook it on a Beamer.
Acoustic transparent just means it is designed to allow sound to travel through it. There is a slight attenuation with the top end but room correction easily fixes that.
LOTS of reasons. First, AT screens will be dimmer than other screens which can limit how big you can go while keeping a good amount of brightness. Even the best projectors when CALIBRATED, will have issues lighting a 150" diag screen (16:9), for example to good levels. You can try high gain ones but then you have hotspots, shimmering, etc. Some AT screens have issues like low contrast, low gain, perforation visibilities etc. I have tested all of the top ones so far (consumer level top ones) so they are far from the "PERFECT" solution some people like to claim they are.
No, those are scammers accounts, impersonating many creators. If you click on their channel name, you willl see they do not have any video. My channel has over 500+ videos and I will never ask you to send me money for shipping for something you've won.
Please never stop making videos! They are so well explained, and it gives me a ton of great ideas to improve my own setup.
Thank you kindly. This is just the beginning. 😉
My original theater build was not AT. I had my center underneath it. Changing the room over to AT is absolutely one of the best things I’ve done with the room. Highly recommended. Wish I had started that way. Rocking a 163” Seymour scope screen now.
Wow! 163” that’s awesome
"does this base not shake the screen?"
"of course it does it shakes the entire house" someone needs to put this quote in a frame
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@yourname!
I’m sorry, lol, I watched this video right before I watched that awesome DIY install, the one with the Stereo Integrity components, and thought I was losing it when the end of this one came up!
Another solid video, fantastic job yourn, er…I mean Youthman!
I have watched your build videos and all the work shows. Especially the hand made woodwork on the cabinet. I wanted to do a screen lift similars to yours to hide a OLED tv with the idea of saving bulb life. But just couldn’t make it work to my liken. Thanks for all your help with your videos.
Awesome video. Those JTR's look amazing.
Such a great setup I've followed for years when you were upgrading from the La Scala days.
It should not go without saying that you made a LOT of good decisions in real time when this beautiful home theater was being built. Good decisions were made back then and then quality improvements were made when new equipment became available.
This is the good stuff. 😎
Thank you for the kind words it’s been a great journey over the past 15 years
@@Youthman So how did you pick Seymour vs Stewart G4?
When I was looking at different brands, Seymour was very well respected and also a very affordable option
@@Youthman Hey. Can I use studio monitors instead of home theatre speakers?
Reason: studio monitors are affordable and sound great. While home theatre speakers are expensive, look great but not sure about quality.
Technically yes but you would need power to each speaker and an RCA from each preout on your AavR to each speakers. I don’t see the benefit of doing that.
Your home theatre is amazing! Really inspired me in numerous ways, thanks for sharing it!
I sit usually 6-7 feet from my 135" screen and it's never been a problem. I even get in a little closer sometimes with 4K's. I don't see it being a problem unless you've got a low resolution source or are real sensitive to motion sickness.
I always seeing your theater setup Michael.
Great video as always Michael!!!
Thank you David
Super nice! Love how those lights hit the subs.
Thanks
Hey Youthman, great intro to ATP screens! My current fabric is Stewart StudioTek 130 G4, 135” diag, 2.35:1, 1.3 gain, non-ATP. I will be doing a new room soon where I have the option to switch to ATP fabric, and I have been recommended to keep my current frame and use the same Stewart ST130 G4 fabric but with microperf. I believe your screen is woven, but still I’d like to ask you a few questions if I may.
1. I love that you have a 150” screen and you enjoy sitting so close. My MLP has been 10’ from my 135” non-ATP screen, but I’ve been recommended to go to at least 11’ and preferably at least 12’ with the microperf fabric to avoid seeing the holes, which would be a bit of a bummer for me since I too enjoy a closer more immersive MLP. Since you sit so close to your 150”, what has your experience been with noticing the weave?
2. Did you previously pair your JVC projector with a solid non-ATP screen before changing to your ATP screen, and if so, would you say you had a noticeable drop in image brightness/clarity with the ATP? I see mixed experiences online about this subject. I have a JVC RS2100 projector that has been professionally calibrated, and I watch everything on the Mid power setting except for 3D movies, and although I am pretty well satisfied with my current image, I don’t think I would be very happy with any noticeable dip in image brightness after switching to the microperf.
3. Any reason you would recommend I go with the woven screen instead of the microperf? Speaker distance limitations behind the screen will not be a factor for me - btw, I’m also running JTR LCR and subs in part due to your positive coverage of them!
4. After answering these questions, would you still say hands down 100% zero regrets that ATP is the way to go?
If you see this and have the time to answer with your personal opinions, I’d greatly appreciate it! Take care!
I know the was a year ago so who knows which direction you went but I'm in the similar position screen shopping. Perforated screens like the micro perf will require you to have the screen 8-12" away from your speakers to reduce comb filtering and damping. Also, being closer than ~11ft you might see the perforations on the screen. Woven doesn't have these issues although there are some woven that do need to be further away to limit seeing the weave.
wow man! That's huge! I'm looking to get a screen from Seymour as well and I just got my NZ8! Question, my room is also 13.5' wide, 17 ft deep. What is your throw distance with the NZ8? Also, when playing 16:9 content, does it bleed into the velvet or do you need to hit a different lens memory to adjust? thanks!
Isn’t it an acousticALLY transparent screen? (Not a native speaker but seems more logical to me).
Following your channel I really see the benefits of such a screen. Would like to do a blind test one day to hear how it affects the sound from the speaker. In a setup such as yours it would be easy.
Your speakers (and speaker lights) look great.
thank you..........
Was in a rush to get the video uploaded before a photo shoot. Corrected the title
AWEsome, i jus love watching movies in my theater. i just wish more People can enjoy the experience at home.. Stay Safe, Be Safe!!!
Inspiring one enthusiast at a time 😉
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I have a very similar setup, same size screen, same fabric, similar seating distance. My l/c/r are Arendal 1723 monitors. When I have the l/r behind the screen, I find I have a collapsed soundstage like you describe, with diminished clarity, presence and impact. Still really good, but when I move those speakers out to the side and a little forward, they really open up, coming to life with sparkle and panache. Especially with stereo music content.
Which is a pity, because I, like you, appreciate the clean look of the hidden speakers.
It could be due to the design of your speakers. Not sure.
@@Youthman I did some more experimentation today inspired by your video and found that with speakers behind the screen but with less toe in, the do sound better. I also set up some front wides and using dts neutal:x up mixer in my av8805, I now have a vary close approximation in terms of sound stage to the 'ideal' l/r placement.
The problem with a 150" diag screen scope is that a good projector calibrated will struggle to give decent FL at that size on a low gain AT screens as most of them are if it's a weave one.
The max angle recommended normally for scope is 50° so you are way higher than that but to each it's own .
I would never go with an AT screen until a top of the line projector like JVC can deliver enough Calibrated light to not take the hit in brightness, contrast etc depending on the screen selected.
A great center like the revel c208 can project sound beautifully as to fool you into hearing the sound coming from the screen.
Beautiful room tbough
Yes, everyone has to find what works best for them and their personal preference. I absolutely love my setup and wouldn’t change a thing.
@@Youthman I would love to see what FL you are getting on that screen. Guess you don't have a light meter?
I do not have a light meter.
I was considering upgrading to micro perf or weave, but was worried about seeing the screen texture. You sit about the same distance as I do, is that an issue?
Never an issue for me, but I also do not have 20/20 vision.
I have a very similar setup to Michael, with the same fabric etc. and it’s not a problem. Yes, you can see texture when the lights are on but once the movie stars it’s a non issue. Indeed, I even had a couple of ripples in my screen due to less than optimal tensioning, and these also melted away when the projector powered up, to such an extent that it took me months to work up the motivation to fix the screen, such was the negotiable impact.
That’s good to know others have had the same experience.
Amazing setup. I am soon planning to upgrade my 85” tv setup to a 150” AT screen.
Question: do i need a special receiver to produce the center channel imaging? I have a yamaha 7.1 receiver.
7:34 If you have a platform behind the screen and want to use floor towers you could (if they are flat on top) place them upside down on their head with risers to get the tweeter at the optimal height, or hang them upside down from the ceiling. Lucky for me, I have a low enough platform behind my screen that my 3 monoprice monolith T6 speakers can be placed on it and still have the tweeters at perfect ear level.
great and smart setup ! thx for the videos would be awesome to do a series what movie directors and sound designers setup look like
That would be cool…except I don’t know of any
Nice video. I always enjoy your content. I never knew that movie theaters put speakers behind their screens although, it should have been obvious. Do you know of any projector that can display the same size quality image like at the movie theaters? I know it’s crazy but I I’d love to have as much of a true movie theater experience as possible.
Dolby Cinema uses (2) Christie projectors. If I had to guess, each projector is over a $100,000.
Amazing work! 👏
Thank you
YouthMan, outstanding video, I’ve been with you for a while !
Which projector are you using?
Did you go down the route of a stand alone video processor like Lumagen
Thank you you system keeps getting better
Great screen
Thanks Zeek. JVC NX7. No dedicated video processor.
Well done , this will be my next upgrade. Clean area like actual theatre . Just one question: it's hard to believe that the screen is not moving at all with these huge 18" speakers? I know this is a transparent screen but we are talking of massive air moving from these subwoofers. So honestly, is the fabric moving? What's the distance between woofers and fabric? Thank you
I have the 3 X JTR 212 RT speakers with the SI AT screen. I attached the blackening AT mesh that is to keep speaker and cabinet reflection from coming through the screen. I can tell that the high vocals are cut a bit when the screen is in front, you can walk behind the screen wall and hear some of the missing highs.
A large impactor is my pb-16's running open port with the air hitting my screen making is noticeable during a movie. I had to turn my sub 90 degrees due to this.
AT screens are the bomb, but for high end music, you will find that you don't want that screen in front of any speaker. MY forte is movies, so I understand what I am giving up.
For music, I simply lift my screen and turn on my LED lights.
@tkcdac Your SI screen is also probably a perforated screen which also limits the sound pass through a bit compared to the woven fabric material of the Seymour screen. The woven material will always be the better option for a better sound.
Hey Michael, Today is a good day for me. I’m finally leaving my media room days behind me. And now I’m starting my first Dedicated Home theater. My Epson 5050UB pro projector arrived today. I’m changing the grey paint color to a darker grey, I already have DIY acoustic treatment for the room. The Monoprice fiber optic HDMI 2.O 4k and a long length of 12v. Trigger cable. Any suggestion’s for cable type and brand? Thanks in advance.
Amazing !!! I would still be concerned with vibrations but like you said half way through your video, it's worth it.
100%. The main reason for me is I just don’t have a big enough room to have subwoofers on the floor. There’s no inherent benefit to putting them behind the screen if you have the room.
Off-topic. Whatever happened to DTS in consumer electronics space? Why isn't there as much Dolby Atmos equivalent (DTS:X) movies in blu-ray or in movie theaters? Is DTS a dying company now?
Dolby has the vast majority of market share. DTS, AURO-3D and IMAX Enhanced are not nearly as popular but they are still around.
Well, at least for now
Thank you for sharing this excellent ideas of use a transparent screen. Regards!
Glad you found the video helpful
Great setup
Thank you Michael
In the future i would like to have the "YouthMan screen" which i saw on another channel & was inspired by yours. I want that cabinet style too thank you!❤🙂
Thank you kindly.
Very nice That's what I was going to ask about the the left center and right being too close to each other but the screen is so large that I didn't realize how far they are from each other awesome system, space is a bit of a problem for me
Yes if you don’t have the width for a massive screen, it’s best to place those speakers outside of the screen
I love that clean look you have there. If our small theater could be set up with an ats i would so do it, but with our small 12x12 space i don't think that could be done.
Here is an awesome example of a 12’ x 13’ room with an AT screen - th-cam.com/video/gwz0pw6pR40/w-d-xo.html
@@Youthman Love this Vid. Love that Silver Ticket sponsored the video. We also have a 120' Silver Ticket Screen. This room is fantastic. This proves you never know what you could do in a space until
you see other ideas. You have my wheels turning now lol :) Thanks for sharing buddy, stay blessed.
This video isn't sponsored. Maybe you commented on a different video than you thought?
@@Youthman lol when I said "this vid" I was speaking in regards to the 12x13 home theater vid I watched from the link u put on ur last reply. My bad 😁
Oh gotcha! I was confused. 🤣 yes I’m really grateful when brands are willing to make these type of videos possible as many of them From the Florida theater tour can be an an eight hour round-trip
Greetings Sir from the mountains of The Philippines! I have followed you for years & have copied several of your concepts. Our mutual friend Wayne Pomposa / Team designed my 4x8 meter dedicated Theater. Regarding my 150inch screen, may I please know the manufacturer & part number of the gas shocks you used in your Theater build? Thank you in advance for your time Sir, BC Rigg
Interesting... I was looking at that same Seymour material myself a while ago while thinking about upgrading my room to a DIY AT screen. One question though... did you or do you notice any sound change at all when the screen is down compared to screen up - since it is easy for you to do this. Might be an interesting idea for a video for your channel - I wonder could you use some accurate audio mic to show the spectrum 20-20kHz when down and up to see any drop-off in any frequencies. I know you could just use yours ears, but probably not very accurate. I know slight drops can be compensated for by AVR built-in tech like Odyssey, Dirac etc
I have not done that type of measurements. Would be interesting but it’s common knowledge there is a slight attenuation at the top end when using an AT screen, but like you said, room correction can easily correct that few dB dip in the top end. All I can say is it sounds incredible to me having my LCR anchored directly behind the screen. I will never be able to have it any other way.
Youthman, how could I join your monthly membership? Could not find the the details. Thank you in advance.
Hi Ben, you can find it at www.patreon.com/youthman
Hey Michael! I was wondering how your projector handles scenes where the aspect ratios change, like in the obvious films such as the dark knight with its imax scenes. Since your screen is 2.35:1, does it switch ratios? Or does it just stay in that format. Thanks brother! 🤙
It switches but I mask above and below the screen. There are so few movies that switch aspect ratios, there is no reason for me to try and optimize my setup for mixed aspect ratios.
Makes sense. Thanks!
What is the distance from the bottom of the screen frame to the floor? Working on a dedicated home theater room in my unfinished basement. The area I want to utilize is almost identical in room dimensions though I'm limited to 8ft ceilings? Also is a 12 inch riser plenty for rear seats?
You always make great videos and i enjoy watching, but i have to think the picture quality has to be not great especially that close. Cant you see all the perforations?
Image quality is amazing. I have guests that visit that didn’t realize a projector could look that nice. My screen is a weave so there are no perforations. I cannot see the weave at all when watching any content.
Thanks a lot for every video you made which I have seen most if not all. What gain of screen you have? With 5050ub and spandex material, would 150 size be too big and effects brightness, contrast etc?
Thank you for the kind words. I have the Seymour Center Stage XD material. All of the info on it can be found here. www.seymourav.com/screensDIY.php
I ran it with the 5040 on 150” screen and it looked great. Feel free to reach out to see more if you have any specific questions.
Lol, I had no idea you could see through some AT screens, that's insane!!!
Yes sir.
It’s actually a downside. I had my equipment neatly stacked behind the screen for a while and found that the glowing LEDs and various info panels were quite visible. Yes, you can do your best to turn off any that have that facility, and cover others up with tape and whatnot, but I never quite got rid of it all. And if everything is not completely Matt black, you can sometimes get little reflections off the shiny surfaces that distract quite a bit. I’ve since moved my gear off to the side of the room and solved the problem
Yeah I would not advise putting anything equipment behind an AT screen.
Do you feel that the JTR front stage are your end game speakers? Do you still have klipsch surrounds?
Absolutely end game for me. Currently still have Klipsch surrounds and Atmos. Eventually would like to move towards all JTR but Jessica took a 6 month leave of absence from teaching so no funds for the theater room lol
Youthman - Happy Father’s Day! Thank you for this excellent video. I just received samples from Seymour of the Center Point XD and UF fabric weaves. Seymour apparently says you should sit about 11ft from XD in order to not see the weave. I’m sitting about 10ft from the screen and the weave doesn’t seem that noticeable. Seymour says if the XD weave bothers you then use the UF fabric, which is an inferior fabric weave. How’s the weave for the XD for you sitting at 9 ft?
I do not have 20/20 vision but I have never noticed the weave myself.
curious which route you went
Is there a reason why you did not do a black backing on your seymour screen? - or is it because there is already a black background? I am discussing the purchase of a frame and screen from Seymour in the Fall 2024.
Originally, I was told I did not need it, as long as you’re background is dark you shouldn’t have any issues with reflections
But I would talk to Seymour. They’ll let you know what they recommend for your set up.
@@Youthman Many thanks for the clarification! Much appreciated. (My current screen has a black backing. Upgrading from 110 inches to 120 inches which is the largest I can go given my room’s unique structural features.) SeymourAV sent me several samples and I have attached them to my current screen, and as it happens, movie “faces” appear on those samples and in panning shots the differences in the faces really jump out at you. As it is, I am considering the differences between the Centre Stage XD material and Seymour’s Centre Stage UF2 material. (They sent me NEO too but it is twice the cost.) My movie fanatic daughter, husband and her 3 young children will likely make the decision. I find it heartwarming that all I have to do is whisper “movie” and everybody shows up within a couple days! Like bees to honey . . . every time. Heartwarming. Wifey goes into popcorn production mode . . . out comes the pop and liquorice, etc. All the kids toys stored outside the room suddenly appear inside including exercise balls that the kids bounce around on etc. Very cute to watch it all happen.
BTW: Congrats to you and your partners regards 2024 MWAVE! Watched several vloggers reviews such as Hatoraid Cowboy’s coverage. Nicely done! And noted your announcement for your new upcoming project. I will watch with interest. Wishing you all the best! Regards!
Great video, I have been debating building out my front wall for an AT screen. It would jump my screen size from 106" to 135". It will eliminate my front of three rows, my MLP is currently in the middle row. But that would make the front row still on a riser and would be 9.5' from the screen.
It will be a lot of work to do it and I would have to move my projector back and it has in ceiling wiring and a power outlet right there so not sure how I would handle that.
You may have convinced me to take on the change as a winter project.
It’s not for every room but definitely I would consider it if I were you.
@@Youthman I have been thinking about it for a couple months now. It's just such a big job based on the existing room, I plan to take the next step and actually draw up plans as if I am going to do it and see exactly how much work needs to be done.
I can't put my subs behind the screen as they are too deep and my entrance is in the front corner so I can only pull the wall out 23" or it will interfere with the entrance door and my subs are 24" deep, so I need to build the subs mostly into the wall and have the platform for the speakers for above them. I should have room for 3" of Rockboard insulation behind all the speakers to help with sound.
The question is.....is 17" of extra screen worth all the work and expense??
That’s a question that only you can decide if it’s worth it.
Make sure you test samples of the AT screens before you commit. Make sure to test them with black backing because your screen will be dimmer and if you increase the current size, even more so you want to make sure you got enough light to provide an adequate image brightness. AT screens are not a panacea. They have their own share of cons not only pros
No screen is perfect, regardless of whether it’s AT or non-AT. There will always be trade offs. You have to determine what is most important to you.
2 4000 watt subwoofers???
I've got 2 5 inch bookshelf speakers that make me worry for my hearing and they only do 80 watts
Yes sir. Massive headroom is always a good thing
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Any chance you’d be up for reviewing the PSA TV1512? Looks like an interesting option for the price point. Would love to see how it compares to Monolith 15 or really any measurements on it! Can’t find anything! Thanks! Love your stuff!
I would be open to it. It’s just difficult for Tom to send out review units due to trying to take care of customer orders first.
Do AT screens come with an electric roll up-down motor? I live in an apartment. Thanks in advance!
look up electric projection screens.
Incredible. ❤
Is this your same room (19x13) as before? WOW, it looks larger and I inspired ad my room is 17x14x8 so you are giving me some ideas.
Same room for 15 years. 13’ x 19’ with 10’ ceiling. 😉
Hi Michael! can you also tell us if you have any additional benefit, other than solving the space constraint in your room, of having the sub placed at 2-4ft height. ?
No audio benefit. I simply do not have the floor space in my smallish Home Theater.
Michael, have you thought about painting that wood in the front a good black/dark grey color? I think that would look great on an already stellar theater!
That was the original plan but after seeing how many hours my friend put into the custom cabinet, there is no possible way I could hide the craftsmanship.
@@Youthman it’s gorgeous the way it is!
Thanks
Noooo, lol, the wood is beautiful
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What's the reason for tilting the fabric? Is there AT fabric for UST's?
Ur opinion on curved screen in 10ft*15ft home theatre
I do not recall ever seeing a curved screen in person so I’m not sure I can provide much insight on them
my front seats are at 10.5 feet will i see texture or grain at my seating position (planning center stage xd 16:9 159")
Do you have any videos that detail that gas shock installation or any resources you could point me to in order to do that myself?
This should help youthmanreviews.com/about/#screen
Another great video!
You may have mentioned this elsewhere, but what is the distance of your projector from your screen? I'd love to use a larger screen (I have the space) but I only have 12ft from my back wall to my screen. Anything that can be added to an existing projector to get a larger image without needing to purchase a different projector?
Unfortunately every projector has its own rated throw distance range. I had to place mine outside of my room it’s around 16 1/2 feet which barely allows me to achieve 150 inch. You can go to projectorcentral.com and use their Projector calculator to see the range that your projector will allow for
@@Youthman I was wondering how you achieved the 150" in your room and now I know how! Sadly I can't place the projector outside of my room/space, so I'll have to make due for now. I wish more higher end projectors would support mid range throw distances, or offer an alt SKU with slightly different optics, but I know my needs are niche within an already niche hobby. Thanks for confirming!
Glad to help
Youthman, really love your videos
my room is very similar in size to yours.
however, where my screen would go, there is another room on the opposite side. any suggestions to still put the speakers behind screen and sound proof so that other room does not hear would be greatly appreciated.
It’s difficult to completely soundproof a room, especially if you have large subwoofers. My entire house hears my system
@@Youthman would u recommend not putting the subwoofers in a wall that is shared with another room? if so, where would an ideal subwoofer go?
It doesn’t matter where you place the subwoofer, base waves are extremely long especially low frequencies and they will travel through most walls
I'm a little late to the table, but I didn't see anyone ask about loss of image brightness with an AT screen. Have you done any testing to compare image brightness with 1.0 gain AT vs 1.0 non-AT screen?
Unfortunately, I do not have the tools or an extra screen to be able to measure the differences. I can say that I will gladly accept a slight reduction in brightness for the benefits outlined in this video that an AT screen provides.
Projector?
Hello Michael I have looked over the comments but didn't see the info I am looking for, could you tell me the height from the floor to the bottom of the lower Velcro above the cabinet please. I am building the same screen size, but need to build the stage. thank you kindly. I love the speakers I am about to build my own as we speak.
25” from the floor to the bottom velvet frame
@@Youthman Thank you , one last question, if your screen is 140 in wide , how far in did you start your L and R speakers. from the edge of the screen , I'm asking because the calculation I am reading, the screen isn't wide enough to covers the speakers. Maybe in a prefect world the calculation is true. My room is 19 feet wide. but the depth is only 20 ft. but i want the 150 in screen .
My speakers are toed in towards the main listening position and are just inside the edge of my screen.
At this point what would it take to Perma replace your speakers rn if you where in the position to upgrade?
I literally cannot think of anything that I would want to replace my LCR and subs. It’s my end game.
Are there more subs?
(4) 18’s not enough?
I would sand and paint the cabinets black. Some parts matte and some parts velvelt..
The original plan was to stain it ebony but once I saw how much detail was in the cabinet, there’s no way I would conceal it with paint or dark stain.
Hi, i have a doubt. see, most of the movies and series in OTT channels are in 1.65:1 aspect ratio (if i am correct, or 1.85), rather than 2.35:1 aspect ratio. so, when we play the same in 1.65:1 aspect ratio screen, it will be showing in full screen. but when we play a movie in 2.35:1 ratio, we can see that with black bars above and below. we never have to change the focus of the projector. And how will be the projection in this 2.35:1 aspect ratio screen? ok, if we play a cinema-scope movie, we can see in full screen. and what if we play a 1.65:1 aspect ratio video here? will we see black bars on the left and right?
I demonstrate how I deal with both aspect ratios in this video th-cam.com/video/Jr_C6et66UE/w-d-xo.html
@@Youthman Thanks a lot
I just learned this lesson brother, and it's oh so glorious!!! : )
Awesome!
Lesson? Is an option not a lesson..a lesson would imply this is the best option when is not. It has its own compromises so it is up to each person to decide which option works best for our particular needs. I have an AT screen in a smaller room because it works for that room but for my main room, there is no way the AT screen will deliver because of low gain making me sacrifice the screen size or affecting the brightness levels. Different options for different situations.
I wished you lived closer. I’d love to see what your setup sounds like.
It’s a pretty cool experience if I do say so myself
@@Youthman I bet. Like I mentioned we use the Pioneer Elite Andrew Jones 5.2.4 and it’s loud and clear but the compression is not there like what you have. I’d love to have an experience like that at home. Don’t get me wrong the SVS PB1000s pressurize the room but the mid bass is probably nothing compared to what you get. My time alignment is pretty spot on and the RTA shows a pretty flat curve but I am missing the volume you get at an actual theater. Just means I need to really sit down and decide what we want in the future.
Hey Michael, looking at the video, in part 1:25 with the IMAX setup, which speakers are which? LCR etc.
LCR are JTR 212HTR
Subwoofers in between them are JTR Captivator RS2’s - th-cam.com/video/xKD15EE40x4/w-d-xo.html
Sorry I was looking at my phone and did not click on the video I assumed you were talking about my set up. If you’re referring to the IMAX, I have no idea what speakers they use for their LCR
No your system is awesome, I been watching you change and delete for some time now. Once I get out of this rental and into my own house out of FL and into GA, I plan on having a dedicated HT. One step at a time, I especially like how you can raise and lower your screen. In the future you should get some actuators and hook to your hydraulic lifters and add your Alexa to it, so you can just say Alexa open screen. As far as the IMAX theater goes both ways just wondering which speakers were which it would s hard to tell whech ones are center the way they are incorporated. Take care and keep up the good work.
That photo is likely the left and center speaker. The right speaker is not shown. That’s why it might have been confusing. Most cinemas use identical speakers for their LCR.
I have considered the actuators for my screen but the ones I’ve seen are slow, loud and the other issue is I often have other speakers or lighting that are set in front of the screen and if I’m not careful, it could hit them. It would be a cool effect but manually lifting works fine for me
Does the Seymour XD need a black backing material?
No they do not.
Hi Youthman, what is your wall color and ceiling color?
All of the colors are mentioned in this video - th-cam.com/video/dUE1lg9uC-g/w-d-xo.html
@@Youthman one more question , is this screen better than stewart st130
Most of what comes from the left and right speakers is sound that is off screen, both effects and ambiance.
Much more than that. Music score, dialogue from other characters on screen that are off to the side.
@@Youthman Yep, which is why I keep my L/R speakers outside the screen. I realize your room and screen size doesn't allow that option for you.
What is your throw distance? I’m considering the same Seymour XD at 140in scope. I read on AVS that the actual gain on that screen is 0.8 and not 1.1. Based on audio advices calculator my Sony vplwx6000es won’t be bright enough with that gain at 19 feet. What do you think?
Just over 16’ minimum distance for 150” diagonal.
@@Youthman Thanks! Do you happen to know if the 1.1 gain Seymour reports is accurate or do you think it’s lower? I’m trying to do 140 diagonal (2.35) at 19 ft.
I have no way of measuring screen gain to verify.
@@Youthman No worries. I appreciate your help and reply. I just subscribed and I’m really enjoying your content. One last question if you don’t mind: do you notice the weave or any picture quality differences sitting so close to the screen? I know Seymour recs for >12 ft for the XD material.
I did not see the weave from 9 foot especially when there’s actual content playing
Do you neighbors complain about the loud sound?
We have lived here 14 years and I have not once had my neighbors complain. I told them from the beginning if it’s ever too loud, please give me a call or a text and I will gladly turn it down immediately. We have great relationships with our two neighbors
Somewhat off topic, I’d love to see a comparison between the Cap 4000s and the RS2s.
Should measure the same but with more output. I can assure you I absolutely do not need any more output in my room. I’ve measured 115dB at 8Hz and I’m now flat down to 5Hz.
@@Youthman that’s incredible! So sealed would be better off in a room where all 4 sides ares closed off? I’m still in the daydream phase until I can build a bigger house, while I continue to tweak my current living room setup. Been following your channel for the past two years now. Your stained wood cabinet is probably the best thing I love about your setup!
Thank you Rick. I would reach out to Tony at sales@jtrspeakers.com. He can offer the best recommendation for your setup. Tell him Youthman sent ya
Did you ever think about having a curved screen instead of the flat one?
No real need to a curved screen in my setup.
I always thought a curved screen was to deal with the image distortion from using an anamorphic lens. I could be wrong but I think that's the reason they were once around but rare now there's lens memory and zoom.
Possibly so. I personally never considered using one and do not have an anamorphic lens
How much would that cabinet cost you today super interesting
My friend charged me the cost of materials which was just over $3,000. If I would have hired a cabinet maker, it would have been $20K - $30K
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Another Youthman Deal
Definitely at the top of them.
Hi, what do you use to power up the subs ?
The subs both have built in 4,000 continuous power
@@Youthman jesus, and what amp power this up ?
I have a single 20 amp circuit that they are connected to
when used atmos can you ad more speakers behind the screen?
No, you would want your Atmos speakers outside of your screen
Do you have some any acoustic panels for sale ?
I do not sell acoustic panels. Check with GIK or ATS.
@@Youthman I was referring to used ones if you had any. I spoke to them , for custom size they charge 3-4 times more. I am going to build one myself
Gotcha. No I don’t have any for sell.
No issues with seeing the XD's weave at 9'? I can still see mine at around 10'.
I do not have 20/20 vision.
@@Youthman Nobody else has commented then? I'm sure you've had quite a few people sit in your front row with you.
Not one person has ever mentioned it.
@@Youthman That's interesting. Even Seymour would recommend UF at 9'. I think they say 12' minimum on the XD. But it doesn't show all that much unless it's a larger white or light area in the picture.
Keep in mind, Seymour does this for a living. The VAST majority of people that visit my theater are not videophiles. If you have great vision AND you are looking to see if you can see the weave during a movie, you might be able to see it.
Seymour customers are DIY Home Theater Enthusiasts, many of which could be videophiles. The last thing they want to have are returns because a customer isn’t satisfied.
It’s best to err on the side of caution and make sure you are within their recommended distance.
wow nice hidden setup
Thank you
Sir does acoustic screen affects the image quality
Not at all. It’s exactly what your local cinema uses.
Sir is this woven screen or perforated.....
Woven. Seymour Center Stage XD
Thankyou sir... sir i do have one more question according to you which screen is better interms of both image and sound quality is it perforated or woven screen.
Perf has less light bleed through producing a brighter image, but if you get too close, you will see the perf in the screen.
What brand of amps do you use?
@Dave Buccino, he has a Monolith 11x amplifier.
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👍 I've made an at screen out of black and white matte milliskin. Think it works great, and love the sound coming from the screen, not under/over. Paired with an optoma p2..
Very cool!
Can you explain more about angling the screen?
It’s to prevent moire effect. Take a look at this page www.seymourav.com/screensDIY.php
I’ve seen and am extremely irritated with the Moire Effect at first rate cinemas and on high dollar AT screens in Best Buy’s Magnolia Rooms. It completely turned me off of considering an AT screen for my home theater, but now Michael has provided us with the solution. Thanks!
Glad to help
Your room is 13x?
Thank You!
13’ W X 19’ D X 10’ ceiling
@@Youthman Thank you again!
Glad to help
is it 19 feet deep before or after accounting for the 4 feet deep cabinet from the wall? i hope i heard you correctly about that.
crazy, your measurements are almost identical to mine so i am trying to figure out if i have the space to do double rows and speakers inside the screen. thank you very much for the great content!!
19’ length includes the 4’ cabinet. So I essentially have 13’x15’ of floor space in front of my screen.
No one ever says, "I wish my screen was smaller".
I have yet to hear that. But I have heard many people say they wish they would have went bigger
Dope... 💯💯💯💯
Thank you kindly
Things never heard: “Man, I wish my screen was smaller”, lol
Not once.
Wouldn’t work at my house - my partner doesn’t like exceeding 80db :/
It’s not about volume, it’s about placing sound directly where the action or dialogue is
@@Youthman sorry, meant those beasts that rip clothes apart hiding behind the screen :)
Haha
Did you finally turn off mid-range compensation? Lol
I have tried it both ways and I don’t hear any significant difference but yes, as of now it’s off.
Nice
Thanks Victor
Complete overkill on the substage for this tiny room. I will never understand why all of you Home Theater TH-camrs go hog wild with the gear. Nobody needs 4 - 18" subs for this size of theater.
How do you use your remote with the avr hidden?
RF remote or an infrared repeater
Harmony Elite with Harmony Hub and then an IR extender from the cabinet, into my attic and into the closet where my projector is
But watching a movies with a headphones can give you even better feeling of a sound! ACoustic transparend screens looks silly then.
Enjoy your headphones. Good luck getting tactile bass from them.
lol
I’ll ask for the headphone option next time I got to the cinema, so.
I prefer watching Apple TV stuff with AirPods 3.Gen. for Dolby Atmos on a huge screen even with several speakers behind it. Try it yourself. It’s an option than you don’t want install a big sound system or someone want to sleep in the house. Apple TV supports more than one pair of AirPods. You don’t need a receiver. Just hook it on a Beamer.
I could not even imagine watching a movie with AirPods. Definitely not a good experience for me but if it works for you, go for it.
Fun fact: there is actually no such thing as a truly acoustic transparent screen
Acoustic transparent just means it is designed to allow sound to travel through it. There is a slight attenuation with the top end but room correction easily fixes that.
I’m confused how could you ever consider not using Acoustically transparent screen 😮
Not everyone has the ability to do that, particularly in living room setups.
LOTS of reasons. First, AT screens will be dimmer than other screens which can limit how big you can go while keeping a good amount of brightness. Even the best projectors when CALIBRATED, will have issues lighting a 150" diag screen (16:9), for example to good levels. You can try high gain ones but then you have hotspots, shimmering, etc.
Some AT screens have issues like low contrast, low gain, perforation visibilities etc. I have tested all of the top ones so far (consumer level top ones) so they are far from the "PERFECT" solution some people like to claim they are.
I’m not looking for perfect, I’m completely content having a system that makes me grin from ear to ear every time I fire it up.
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Hey Michael. I have a question. Have you contacted me via Telegram? Greetings...
No, those are scammers accounts, impersonating many creators. If you click on their channel name, you willl see they do not have any video. My channel has over 500+ videos and I will never ask you to send me money for shipping for something you've won.