@@deadosaka1712 uh oh ignorant self entitled douchenag alert everyone watch out! You probably think electric is better for the environment 😂 pipe down kid
Lol alright Tesla fanboy overcapping like usual. That is so wrong 😂😂 it’s not $245 it’s like $50-$60 hydrogen. Hydrogen is the future unlike your lithium ion child mine on wheels
@@DreStyle the engine that moves the car is an electric engine on an bev which is a battery powered electric car the storage of the energy is in form of batteries. On a let's say conventional hydrogen car the storage is a tank filled with hydrogen gas and a so called fuel cell transformers that hydrogen into electricity that for most part is given directly to the engine or stored in a much smaller battery. There are some companies who try to make combustion hydrogen cars which use a more conventional engine and have the hydrogen exploding in the fuel chamber but that has some advantages but also lots of disadvantage
All the benefits of electric with all the expense and inefficiency of burning hydrogen to turn into electricity inside the car. Burning fossil fuels to make electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity to power a motor. Or even the green option using solar and wind to make electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity. 😮 I dont get it
Our family has a car that goes with natural gas, and although the station where the gas is being made smells awful, it is very convenient because it refuels fast and it's a lot cheaper than gasoline
@@ogaliefIt actually reduces the lifespan of the engine as your traditional Petrol/Diesel is a liquid, it provides a lubricating effect in the combustion chamber but gas is gas.
@@rayirth.upside-down dont think there's that much lubrication involved, at least for gasoline. Even if it was, the exhaust valves wouldn't benefit at all. CNG/LPG burns a lot hotter than regular Gas and therefore puts a lot of strain on valves, valve seats and piston. That shortens the lifespan.
@rayirth.upside-down As far as I know it's more like the gasoline helps to keep the combustion chamber temperature down, by taking away some of the heat from inside. Natural gas is less dense and can't cool down the chamber fast enough. That said, most natural gas cars also have a gasoline tank, with a switch to pick between them. As long as you give gasoline to your engine once in a while, coupled with easy driving when it's on natural gas, there's no significant reduction of it's lifespan.
@@AJWisebut it’s higher demand higher supply right now. Every car manufacturer offers an electric or hybrid vehicle in their lineup or atleast plans to. Bmw, Volkswagen Hyundai all produce an overwhelming amount of full electric models today and that’s not even including the EV only companies like Tesla, Lucid or rivian.
The Hindenburg catastrophe was bad, but it wasn’t anything special because we didn’t know how to build safe air ships just like we didn’t know how to build safe planes until years later I honestly believe the concept of airships is really helpful and I hope they come back
@@jamesjenkins8373 even in small amounts hydrogen can be extremely dangerous, but yeah, I do want to build an airship personally if I could, it could be very useful for building and transporting large skill projects, like the blades of a wind turbine, or even parts for an oil rig, or generally very large parts
@@brivera1both of those claims are untrue, germany alone has nearly 100, in general there are around 800 steadily growing(not including private ones). And simple small ones cost less than 200.000dollars for the equipment wich is only a little higher than a comparable 4 fueltype fuel station if you account for the fact that one is brand new and the other used for over 100 years now. The problem is the amount of hydrogen they can hold and the certifications needed here in germany a 1.000.000 euro hydrogen fuel station(basically giant and also usable by semi trucks) easily gets about 250.000 euros of planning and certification cost slapped ontop while it would only be around 75 for a normal one.
Transporting hydrogen is expensive qnd cumbersome. Needs to be supercooled to a liquid state for safety reasons which is the main reason preventing mass adoption
@@shortyorc121the difference is I have a 240V plug at home already, and I don’t need to use charging stations forever if it’s just for commuting everyday. I don’t see the immediate advantage of hydrogen over EVs for people who drive less than 100 miles a day. Maybe you spend 10 minutes at a charging station instead of 20 minutes? But then I have to go to a hydrogen charging station every 300-400 miles.
@mct6902 good for you, but when another 100 million evs hit the market is the problem. What about people who live in apartments? What about town homes with street only parking? So many issues with evs outside of a niche market.
@shortyorc121 with the development of l3 quick charging infrastructure you can get from 0-80% charge in about 10 min which is not too far off from the time it takes to fill up a gas car or even hydrogen. Yes there are hurdles to overcome such as upgrading the grid to accommodate such high power, but expanding hydrogen stations has it's own set of issues as I mentioned above. So one doesn't seem that much better than the other, but the diff is that the world and maybe more importantly OEM's have already committed to EV's which is better than going half in on hydrogen as you won't see prices go down as much with scale. Not arguing on the merits of hydrogen itself, but it seems the battle is already won. Hydrogens do seem viable for commercial vehicles with fixed routes tho
@@shortyorc121 you don’t snap a finger and make 100 million cars out of new type of energy source. Also, companies innovate, just like from horse wagon to ICE cars. If a snap of finger time in 1920s suddenly 300 million ICE cars were born, there wouldn’t be enough fossil fuel to supply them back then. Last, we are thousands if not 10s of thousands times closer from switching from ICE to electric than horse to ICE. Plus, you don’t have to switch, ICE will be around for a while if not forever.
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Pretty ride. Sounds interesting. How much do the two full tanks of hydrogen cost? But isn’t that much more volatile then gas or battery? And where are the hydrogen stations… ?
This might be a superior technology to electric, however I doubt it will be a popular solution since the EV charging infrastructure is already so far ahead of hydrogen.
@stupidvideos1449 Fortunately for the planet the number of hydrogen stations is decreasing. Norway and UK closing all their stations due to cost and deaths, and the fact it's dirtier than coal.
@@stupidvideos1449I believe it’s super energy intensive to get the hydrogen. I don’t know if they break apart water or other molecules but if they do then it’s very obvious that it isn’t a good idea.
This is nothing new Toyota released the hydrogen powered Mirai 10 years ago. The problem is generating the hydrogen to power these cars, the easiest way is to use electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen but currently it's an expensive energy intensive process and so doesn't make financial sense.
George bush thought so too, spent taxpayer money on 1-2 stations which turned out to be too expensive to keep running. Good luck with your future hydrogen car mate
@@geoffs3310actually, the easiest way is steam reforming Natural gas, which is where most hydrogen on an industrial scale comes from. That also makes hydrogen a fossil fuel like Gasoline.
As someone who works in the hydrogen industry in the UK, the first thing we need is the infrastructure, more refilling stations makes the hydrogen cheaper. We just need that investment from someone (big fuel players like shell and BP have actually closed down HRS’s in the last 2 years which is massive steps backwards)
@@waynehewett4017 no it very literally isn't. Gas is used as a fuel because it isn't as explosive as hydrogen. Using hydrogen in this way is extremely dangerous.
@@MadPrinceSheo Fun fact: No. At the pressures we are talking about, if the tank gets punctured the gas would very quickly dissipate, and the expansion of the gas would cool the air so quickly it would likely put out any flames that had already ignited. As for inside the tank? You can't have an ignition without oxygen, and there's no oxygen inside a hydrogen tank. There are literally tests you can see here on TH-cam of the hydrogen tanks being shot by high caliber rifles, and all that happens is the gas vents very rapidly. No ignition, no nothing.
Aside from not being able to fill at home,and very few filling stations, hydrogen in California has retailed for approximately $14.00 per kilogram (kg), which is equivalent to $14/gallon gasoline.
@@MrPikkozHonestly man, $150-180 for every fillup is just a war crime man. I'm honestly better off buying a big 4 door truck if I had to spend that much money for 240 miles per fill up.
Being in the engineering field is great because you learn what is shit and people will hate almost immediately. Who wants to spend almost 3x what they pay for gas when it was at its worst.
It's never going to take off versus EV's for this exact reason. Doesn't matter how many people enjoy their internal combustion cars, when push comes to shove and EV cost parity is achieved (coming very soon), and the choice is 10p per mile or 30p per mile, which method will be victorious?
If you want a terribly inefficient, complex and expensive EV, you get one with a hydrogen fuel cell (aka “fool cell”, as it is for people who don’t understand basic physics and chemistry) - You’ll have less space for passengers and cargo because of the large tanks and fuel cell that are needed in addition to a (smaller) drive battery, inverter and all the other bits of an EV. - You’ll pay a lot more due to the complexity of the system, with many more parts. - You’ll spend more on maintenance and repairs. Recently, someone needed a new fuel cell out of warranty and was quoted a six-figure price. Nice! - You will pay about THREE times as much for the energy per mile, compared to a battery electric vehicle. That’s because you have to make hydrogen first (which uses lots of electricity), then compress, transport it. Then it has to be converted to electric current in the car. This means: Many steps with losses. A BEV uses about 70-80% of the electricity to power the wheels. A FCEV uses about 20-30% because of all the losses in the process. - You won’t get hydrogen at your neighborhood filling station. Currently, most cities require hydrogen fueling stations to be located away from residential neighborhoods, in industrial areas. For safety reasons. - Your cost for hydrogen has to cover the cost of the station itself. While Tesla builds a supercharger location at an average of $392k (8 stalls), even a simple hydrogen fueling station goes into the 7-figures. And if someone fuels right before you, you have to wait for the pump to re-pressurize or thaws. - In the end you won’t save more than a few minutes over a modern fast charging BEV, but pay money through the nose. Now, you may be fortunate enough that you don’t have to worry about paying three times the cost per mile, but most consumers are not in that position. This means, the fuel cell is an expensive luxury for affluent people driving a lot. Lastly, if you find that all the above isn’t inefficient enough for you, wait until some fools make a car with an internal combustion engine that runs on hydrogen. That will be even more inefficient and costly.
Forgot to mention that your Hydrogen vehicle is a higher emissions than gasoline due to the natural gas and heat energy used to make the stuff. Get an EV.
I work in a warehouse with h2 cells, they are absolute trash. they constantly have faults that need to be cleared and breakdown often. mostly voltage and pressure jumps as the system works... changing machines several times in a 10 hr shift! the fuel station needs training, techs and has issues in pumping when it was busy or at all. cells died often due to the lack of on power on demand... small battery and weak charging. which set off a other fault 😅 there are so many issues with the tech, and then just the idea of it being a good energy storage is just idiotic. the idea of taking any form of energy to make h2 is an energy loss, on top of all the other energy and resources to make it work. if only everyone could learn some basic science, or at least take the effort the learn about physics if you're going to try break the laws of thermodynamics 😅
I've seen a couple of studies putting it at about 5x the cost per mile vs EV. Very very few 'EV SUCK HYDROGEN ANSWER' commenters have any idea of the kind of cost per mile they'd be looking at. It's worse because it's fundamental physics you're fighting, meaning that economies of scale would only drop that by a few percent (eg small efficiency gains in hydrogen production/transport/storage etc), nothing like the 300-500% required to achieve cost per mile parity with an EV. Meanwhile economies of scale mean an EV keeps getting cheaper. Hydrogen is dead before it starts. If the physics isn't enough, look at how many big companies are building EV chargers, buying EV's for their fleets/buses and investing in new electric car designs, versus the number doing hydrogen stations/vehicles etc..
@@5353Jumper That's only strictly true for some forms of hydrogen (those that we'd probably end up with if the desperate fossil fuel companies won their lobbying to have 'alternative options' for powering personal vehicles as often gets mentioned by governments - eg carry on with fossil fuel dependency as they clearly have no understanding of thermodynamics ..makes me sick). The picture when producing hydrogen from renewables isn't much better for all the wastage reasons the original commenter mentioned.
That's not really a problem versus the fact that tanks for only 300 miles reduce your usable cabin space. Gasoline explodes, Hydrogen can shoot flames, and certain types of batteries will gradually burn for an extended period of time. At this point your best bet is probably batteries that won't burn, and will charge in 30 mins or less. That's ideal for most people since we tend to have electricity at home or at work.
For most drivers, charging time doesn't matter because you just charge up at home. No need to take a 20 minute detour from your normal commute to refill on gas or hydrogen.
Yeah I think when people find out you can get another two hours+ of driving with a 20 min charge even if you had driven for 3 hours constant 15min-20 min isn’t a long time. by time you fuel and pay a gas car can take 5-10 mins. it’s slightly longer in maybe a 5 hour one direction trip but as you say most EV owners never stop, it’s always done at home. Saving 90% of stops.
@@legendofthepeachIf you're on a road trip the chargers are at places to eat/use the restroom, something you already need to do. Can't really order in n out with a gas nozzle in your car 500 ft away
@@xipalips Yeah agreed, I mean if do a 5 hour drive I usually bash it out in one but it’s pretty grim and I’m not really with it by the end, if I’m stopping to fuel at the mid point for 5mins chilling out for another 15 isnt really a hardship. Yes technically it takes a little longer but it’s a real edge case it’s quite rare to do that kind of drive. I think just plan a 20-30 stop half way toilet, bite to eat as you say car will be ready to go before me. Fraction of the cost and zero emissions with a slight change in behaviour. People with kids stopping to use restrooms more frequently no doubt
The hydrogen station in Anaheim hills, Ca is always locked. It appears the maintenance is not done, and the owner doesn’t get payed for the lease from who ever. The system is only as good as the supporting resources.
Ive read of a system that converts water to H2 and 2O2. No need to store the fuel, other than a tiny reservoir for initial starts. That was a while ago, but no word since
Why did you left out the part where you have to wait for the refuling nozzle to get back to a warm temperature because it freezes after every car is refuled😅
There is no transmission in a electric car and yes I believe this car is electric because he said hydrogen fuel cell and those turn hydrogen into electricity
It's never really going to improve with economies of scale either, fighting fundamental thermodynamics barriers by needing to convert the energy so many times with big losses at each step. Alternatively just put the energy straight into a car which you can drive for 3+ hours before needing to stop for 20 mins to take a shit anyway, and the car can charge while you're at it. Madness.
my uncle had diy homemade hydrogen powered '91 Honda Prelude, until it one day exploded. His subwoofer which was in the trunk ended up going through the windshield. He never told us how to make it neither did he try to perfect/improve his creation
@@tepac5537Yeah no I'm calling cap. What you're describing is electrolysis, which requires a stupidly high amount of electricity for the amount of hydrogen you extract. That electricity has to come from somewhere. Either your uncle was stupid, and was using batteries to power the electrolysis and then using the hydrogen to power the car, or he was lying (Or you're lying, that's possible too)
@@richardmillhousenixon my guess is his uncle was lying or he misunderstood what his uncle was saying and has just repeated the story even though it’s complete and utter nonsense.
Yes i really want to buy a car that costs more than a average house to buy and drops its value by 50 percent as soon as i drive it out of the dealership. And 30 grand a year to insure it and another 50 grand a year in maintenance to keep it on the road
@@MrBudderTacoMBT Yes I know but I find it ironic that it came full circle in terms of innovation in less than 5 years because manufacturers are realizing that EV’s aren’t as great as they thought.
@@JoePeznope. Hydrogen is Not the Future for privat Persons. The Argument "you can fill it Like a normal car" ist Just a lie. You can fill it in 5 min. If you are the First. The next people have to wait a Long Time (30min+). And with the new super charges 300kw+ you need for a normal car 10-15min. For a nio et7 which Drives 1200km you need ~15min from 20-80%, i think this ist fast enough.
@@JoePezBased on what bro? EVs get more popular every year. The Model Y was the top selling car, period, last year. 2000 hydrogen cars got sold last year vs 1.2 million EVS in the U.S.
@@xipalips Model Y, top selling car period? 🤔 yeeeah I don’t think so. I mean correct me if I’m wrong but the Corolla has been the best selling car in the world for the past 20 years straight and if you’re talking about the US market then it’s the F150. So I’d like to ask you where you’re getting your information from my guy.
The explosion risk is minimal but a very cool way to go out if it happens . The killer is fuel cost if the TH-cam videos are correct and everything on TH-cam is correct .
The amount of pressure in those tanks, any kind of accident or puncture to the tank, and its all over for everyone. Let alone finding fuel. They've been making cars like this for years its just to impracticable to do it
Dash says 120 miles range left at half tank, ie 240 miles range or roughly 385km. Doing the math it’s cheaper in Sweden to run an x5 diesel. BMW has been doing this over and over for as long as I remember, never been able to actually deliver on it..
20-30 min if you find working, high power charger that delivers advertised power. Which usually not a thing where i live. Usually its 1-1.5 hours stops to charge my id4.
Wouldn't it just be better to have batteries you can charge at home and insert when ready? Like having 8-12 of them you change out when it's low? That way you can charge in the car and outside..
Toyota has a Supra with the same tech. The only problem is finding hydrogen stations and it's not something you can easily install at home either. Hydrogen needs to be super cold, so storing that mean burning throw your electric bill.
So electricity is cheaper than gas but takes way more time to fill. Gas is more expensive but can be done filling in a few minutes… How much would a fill of hydrogen cost if it only takes around the same amount of time as gas?
I get PTSD thinking about my BMW's driveshaft and giubo. The giubo over time cranks and the driveshaft develops enough play till it eats the CSB. Don't wanna imagine what a neglected x5 hydrogen car would be like when the driveshaft finally goes in that thing. (although it would most likely have hydrogen fuel, electric motors)
I know ev people hate diesels, but inalwaysbthought absmall single cylinder diesel with a generator would be the perfect combination. You can use it to charge the batteries or use it to drive the car and not have to worry about being stranded. Also diesel is more available than hydrogen, hydrogen might have a filling station every coupl2 hundred miles but its a couple hundred miles out of your way. Most gas stations have diesel available even remote stations.
The problem with refueling a hydrogen gas car ist that the refueling station can only service 6 cars per hour, because it has to repressurize after each fill up. So the wait time might be longer than with a straight up ev
He never mentions there is only a handful of hydrogen refueling stations even in California. Battery powered cars may take a little longer to charge up but at least you can find nearby charging stations.
Even if the car works, it they didn't resolve the problem with hydrogen storage (both on the vehicle and the refueling station) it won't matter. Hydrogen molecules are so tiny that with time they pass through other bigger molecules of the container.
Toyota has been doing this for a while. I like how hydrogen does really well in the cold. These electrical cars suck big time in the cold. I so so many get towed to the nearest charging station.
If people complain about not enough electrical charging stations, there's fewer Hydrogen refuelling stations. Even if there isn't an EV supercharger available... there's electricity everywhere. You might have to wait a few hours, but you won't have to have your car towed to a hydrogen station.
Issue is the hydrogen needs to be so pure (so it doesn’t contaminate the fuel cell) which means it takes enormous amounts of energy to make. Whilst better than battery power, still very energy hungry
All fun in games until your realize the nearest hydrogen station is 9/10 in California 😂
@@Soeks77what?
@@D4rkbl4d3 electric cars are fucking gay is what I meant. Everyone knows that tho
@@D4rkbl4d3he's just gay but he doesn't know it yet
@@Soeks77found the closet gay dude who adds 10k of shit onto his 20k car just to make it louder and waste more petrol 😂😂
@@deadosaka1712 uh oh ignorant self entitled douchenag alert everyone watch out! You probably think electric is better for the environment 😂 pipe down kid
15 lbs of Hydrogen is over $245 per fill up in California. That is over $0.80 per mile. This car is incredibly expensive to fuel.
Dollar dollar bills yall
not for the broke
When you realize it’s cheaper to drive around on VP racing fuel than hydrogen
@@SBFmafia that is crazy but actually true. I think nitro methane is actually cheaper.
Lol alright Tesla fanboy overcapping like usual. That is so wrong 😂😂 it’s not $245 it’s like $50-$60 hydrogen. Hydrogen is the future unlike your lithium ion child mine on wheels
This car is about to be the BOMB
😂😂
Its an implosion it'll be ok
Especially when it drops in Japan
They are pretty save actually
All cars are bobms on wheels
Just FYI a hydrogen fuel cell car is also an electric car. The storage off energy is different the rest ist the same
Also? So it's hybrid?
@@DreStyle the engine that moves the car is an electric engine on an bev which is a battery powered electric car the storage of the energy is in form of batteries. On a let's say conventional hydrogen car the storage is a tank filled with hydrogen gas and a so called fuel cell transformers that hydrogen into electricity that for most part is given directly to the engine or stored in a much smaller battery. There are some companies who try to make combustion hydrogen cars which use a more conventional engine and have the hydrogen exploding in the fuel chamber but that has some advantages but also lots of disadvantage
All the benefits of electric with all the expense and inefficiency of burning hydrogen to turn into electricity inside the car.
Burning fossil fuels to make electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity to power a motor. Or even the green option using solar and wind to make electricity to make hydrogen to make electricity. 😮 I dont get it
Our family has a car that goes with natural gas, and although the station where the gas is being made smells awful, it is very convenient because it refuels fast and it's a lot cheaper than gasoline
Easier on the engine too. Burns very clean
@@ogaliefIt actually reduces the lifespan of the engine as your traditional Petrol/Diesel is a liquid, it provides a lubricating effect in the combustion chamber but gas is gas.
@@rayirth.upside-down dont think there's that much lubrication involved, at least for gasoline. Even if it was, the exhaust valves wouldn't benefit at all.
CNG/LPG burns a lot hotter than regular Gas and therefore puts a lot of strain on valves, valve seats and piston. That shortens the lifespan.
@@rayirth.upside-down Oil provides lubrication. Gasoline provides combustion. They are mutually exclusive.
@rayirth.upside-down As far as I know it's more like the gasoline helps to keep the combustion chamber temperature down, by taking away some of the heat from inside.
Natural gas is less dense and can't cool down the chamber fast enough. That said, most natural gas cars also have a gasoline tank, with a switch to pick between them. As long as you give gasoline to your engine once in a while, coupled with easy driving when it's on natural gas, there's no significant reduction of it's lifespan.
I can sense the Mirai giggling
Is it because BMW looked up her skirt?
No
@@TheMRacer Reference to Jason Camissa's Supra / M2 CS video 👌
Hasnt the Mirai been deleted?
BMW has been doing LH2 for decades.
-“How did you know that I had two tanks?”
-“You’re the BMW iX5 Hydrogen, we have to know!”
Nice Naurdwar!
Doot doot doo doo doot doo doot !
Lol did kind sound like em
I KNEW I KNEW THIS FROM SOMEWHERE
Mans didn't bring the car a gift smh
We’re moving up in life boys! We’re going from Coolant Leaks to Hydrogen Leaks 😂😂
Hahaha
hindenburg 2 electric boogaloo
And then people thought electric cars burned well...
Welcome to the next level!
@@doctordappActually, Hydrogen Fuel cell cars are safer than both Electric cars and ICE cars in terms of a fire.
Yea but don't worry it can't explode or nothing cough cough
Cool! I'll just go down to the local hydrogen station. Oh wait. Still waiting 50 years + later.
And the greatest advantage is that everyone has hydrogen at home, so every morning you can head out with a full tank.
Love how you told us the price vs gas/diesel/ electricity.....
Unless the demand for it increases, prices will never drop. Electric vehicles are cheap nowadays because their demand is up.
Not relevant, it’s a proof of technology that isn’t mass market yet
@daanishgupta That's backward. Higher demand, lower supply increases prices.
@@AJWise With higher demand, there will be higher supply unless you do what scalpers do, keep the supply limited to increase the price.
@@AJWisebut it’s higher demand higher supply right now. Every car manufacturer offers an electric or hybrid vehicle in their lineup or atleast plans to. Bmw, Volkswagen Hyundai all produce an overwhelming amount of full electric models today and that’s not even including the EV only companies like Tesla, Lucid or rivian.
I can hear toyota laughing all the way from JAPAN when he said bmw has the answer
Thats because this is what BMW got in return for giving Toyota the B58 and chassis for the Supra. Do your research.
@@mycomputergl0wsblu congratulations you are illiterate.
@@mycomputergl0wsblu jk please don't be mad.
@@mycomputergl0wsblu -🤓
Dawg hydrogen cars have been around for a long ass time bmws first hydrogen car was in the 90s.
Can’t wait to see the Hindenburg edition
The Hindenburg catastrophe was bad, but it wasn’t anything special because we didn’t know how to build safe air ships just like we didn’t know how to build safe planes until years later I honestly believe the concept of airships is really helpful and I hope they come back
@@skystreem4860 it would be rad to ride around in an airship. But since the BMW is German and it runs on hydrogen, the Hindenburg comparison is funny
@@jamesjenkins8373 even in small amounts hydrogen can be extremely dangerous, but yeah, I do want to build an airship personally if I could, it could be very useful for building and transporting large skill projects, like the blades of a wind turbine, or even parts for an oil rig, or generally very large parts
That's funny😂😂
Exactly what I was thinking
Car salesman- “This bad boy right here could level a city on half a tank!”
The ports are known to freeze and take much longer to fill.
I've never seen a hydrogen station
Yea there is only like 10 public usage ones arround the world because they cost 2 million dollars to install 😂
@billysnextadventure4306 2mil 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@brivera1both of those claims are untrue, germany alone has nearly 100, in general there are around 800 steadily growing(not including private ones). And simple small ones cost less than 200.000dollars for the equipment wich is only a little higher than a comparable 4 fueltype fuel station if you account for the fact that one is brand new and the other used for over 100 years now. The problem is the amount of hydrogen they can hold and the certifications needed here in germany a 1.000.000 euro hydrogen fuel station(basically giant and also usable by semi trucks) easily gets about 250.000 euros of planning and certification cost slapped ontop while it would only be around 75 for a normal one.
I've never seen a Electric charging station
@@tarunpratap017 answer indian.
plus you automatically have rear passenger ejection seats... that's a win win
That "L" instead of a "J" really did a bad number on the punchline. 😂
Election seats? We voting for the fuckin president in this bmw
Lol, my bad. NOW its "ejection seats"
Transporting hydrogen is expensive qnd cumbersome. Needs to be supercooled to a liquid state for safety reasons which is the main reason preventing mass adoption
I'll give you the same arguement ev people use. With time comes technology advancements.
Hydrogen has a brighter future then evs.
@@shortyorc121the difference is I have a 240V plug at home already, and I don’t need to use charging stations forever if it’s just for commuting everyday. I don’t see the immediate advantage of hydrogen over EVs for people who drive less than 100 miles a day. Maybe you spend 10 minutes at a charging station instead of 20 minutes? But then I have to go to a hydrogen charging station every 300-400 miles.
@mct6902 good for you, but when another 100 million evs hit the market is the problem. What about people who live in apartments? What about town homes with street only parking?
So many issues with evs outside of a niche market.
@shortyorc121 with the development of l3 quick charging infrastructure you can get from 0-80% charge in about 10 min which is not too far off from the time it takes to fill up a gas car or even hydrogen. Yes there are hurdles to overcome such as upgrading the grid to accommodate such high power, but expanding hydrogen stations has it's own set of issues as I mentioned above. So one doesn't seem that much better than the other, but the diff is that the world and maybe more importantly OEM's have already committed to EV's which is better than going half in on hydrogen as you won't see prices go down as much with scale. Not arguing on the merits of hydrogen itself, but it seems the battle is already won. Hydrogens do seem viable for commercial vehicles with fixed routes tho
@@shortyorc121 you don’t snap a finger and make 100 million cars out of new type of energy source. Also, companies innovate, just like from horse wagon to ICE cars. If a snap of finger time in 1920s suddenly 300 million ICE cars were born, there wouldn’t be enough fossil fuel to supply them back then. Last, we are thousands if not 10s of thousands times closer from switching from ICE to electric than horse to ICE. Plus, you don’t have to switch, ICE will be around for a while if not forever.
Pretty ride. Sounds interesting.
How much do the two full tanks of hydrogen cost?
But isn’t that much more volatile then gas or battery?
And where are the hydrogen stations… ?
This might be a superior technology to electric, however I doubt it will be a popular solution since the EV charging infrastructure is already so far ahead of hydrogen.
Bro, does Nardwuar make car reviews now?
checking comments to make sure i wasnt the only one thinking that
I was checking also 😂😂😂 yall got some good taste fr
😂😂 same here
I thought it was Gary V
I thought of Austin Evans immediately
This would legitimately be pretty cool if hydrogen stations actually existed at regular intervals.
Well, ev chargers used to be nonexistent. And now look
@stupidvideos1449 Fortunately for the planet the number of hydrogen stations is decreasing. Norway and UK closing all their stations due to cost and deaths, and the fact it's dirtier than coal.
@@sdpryce how is it? And what are the deaths from?
@@stupidvideos1449I believe it’s super energy intensive to get the hydrogen. I don’t know if they break apart water or other molecules but if they do then it’s very obvious that it isn’t a good idea.
You can make hydrogen and oxygen from water and electricity.
My friend!!! Toyota is the one company that came up with this idea
No
@@LoopBooostyes. This is literally Toyota’s tech.
@@V0idFacehydrogen cells have existed for decades.
@@Woe_YT cool story! Has nothing to do with anything I said, but super cool story!
Next time try reading before commenting, pumpkin.
And it was toyota who did@@Woe_YT
That sounds cool and all, until you realize they’re trying to mass produce the Hindenburg but for the ground. Hindenburg Tokyo Drift, if you will…
Great. And the H2 is produced how exactly?
Sound like a time bomb 💣
It’s not
No
This will be a game changer. I need one of those BMWs.
No it won’t, hydrogen has been out for years and it’s not a game changer yet so…
@@jaioncebollero1168Low IQ.
This is nothing new Toyota released the hydrogen powered Mirai 10 years ago. The problem is generating the hydrogen to power these cars, the easiest way is to use electrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen but currently it's an expensive energy intensive process and so doesn't make financial sense.
George bush thought so too, spent taxpayer money on 1-2 stations which turned out to be too expensive to keep running. Good luck with your future hydrogen car mate
@@geoffs3310actually, the easiest way is steam reforming Natural gas, which is where most hydrogen on an industrial scale comes from. That also makes hydrogen a fossil fuel like Gasoline.
You have to drive to a designated recharge point. Electricity is everywhere , including home.
As someone who works in the hydrogen industry in the UK, the first thing we need is the infrastructure, more refilling stations makes the hydrogen cheaper. We just need that investment from someone (big fuel players like shell and BP have actually closed down HRS’s in the last 2 years which is massive steps backwards)
People who don't understand what hydrogen is, always try to defend hydrogen as a fuel source
I seen hydrogen explode, funny enough I drive a Mirai.
It's not, it's an energy storage medium.
It’s the anti EV maga types. For some reason they hate electric cars so this is their “answer”.
Do y'all know hydrogen is one of the most volatile gasses? Just throwing that out there
Worse than a tesla ev thermal runaway battery fire
@@waynehewett4017 no it very literally isn't. Gas is used as a fuel because it isn't as explosive as hydrogen. Using hydrogen in this way is extremely dangerous.
@MadPrinceSheo the same fears they had with gas powered cars, technology evolves and get better, from production to storage and everything in between
@@Griffin96ful not to mention hydrogen has low BTU value compared to other gasses so the yield wouldnt even be that good
@@MadPrinceSheo Fun fact: No. At the pressures we are talking about, if the tank gets punctured the gas would very quickly dissipate, and the expansion of the gas would cool the air so quickly it would likely put out any flames that had already ignited. As for inside the tank? You can't have an ignition without oxygen, and there's no oxygen inside a hydrogen tank.
There are literally tests you can see here on TH-cam of the hydrogen tanks being shot by high caliber rifles, and all that happens is the gas vents very rapidly. No ignition, no nothing.
Aside from not being able to fill at home,and very few filling stations, hydrogen in California has retailed for approximately $14.00 per kilogram (kg), which is equivalent to $14/gallon gasoline.
Yeah , good times when Hydrogen was just 14 dollars per kg nowadays it's 20-30 dollars per kg.
@@MrPikkozHonestly man, $150-180 for every fillup is just a war crime man. I'm honestly better off buying a big 4 door truck if I had to spend that much money for 240 miles per fill up.
Nardwar doing car reviews now. 😂
Toyota and Honda has been doing this for more than 15 years.
No high hopes, but we’ll see
Being in the engineering field is great because you learn what is shit and people will hate almost immediately. Who wants to spend almost 3x what they pay for gas when it was at its worst.
Hydrogen cars are a physicists nightmare
It's never going to take off versus EV's for this exact reason.
Doesn't matter how many people enjoy their internal combustion cars, when push comes to shove and EV cost parity is achieved (coming very soon), and the choice is 10p per mile or 30p per mile, which method will be victorious?
If you want a terribly inefficient, complex and expensive EV, you get one with a hydrogen fuel cell (aka “fool cell”, as it is for people who don’t understand basic physics and chemistry)
- You’ll have less space for passengers and cargo because of the large tanks and fuel cell that are needed in addition to a (smaller) drive battery, inverter and all the other bits of an EV.
- You’ll pay a lot more due to the complexity of the system, with many more parts.
- You’ll spend more on maintenance and repairs. Recently, someone needed a new fuel cell out of warranty and was quoted a six-figure price. Nice!
- You will pay about THREE times as much for the energy per mile, compared to a battery electric vehicle. That’s because you have to make hydrogen first (which uses lots of electricity), then compress, transport it. Then it has to be converted to electric current in the car. This means: Many steps with losses. A BEV uses about 70-80% of the electricity to power the wheels. A FCEV uses about 20-30% because of all the losses in the process.
- You won’t get hydrogen at your neighborhood filling station. Currently, most cities require hydrogen fueling stations to be located away from residential neighborhoods, in industrial areas. For safety reasons.
- Your cost for hydrogen has to cover the cost of the station itself. While Tesla builds a supercharger location at an average of $392k (8 stalls), even a simple hydrogen fueling station goes into the 7-figures. And if someone fuels right before you, you have to wait for the pump to re-pressurize or thaws.
- In the end you won’t save more than a few minutes over a modern fast charging BEV, but pay money through the nose.
Now, you may be fortunate enough that you don’t have to worry about paying three times the cost per mile, but most consumers are not in that position. This means, the fuel cell is an expensive luxury for affluent people driving a lot.
Lastly, if you find that all the above isn’t inefficient enough for you, wait until some fools make a car with an internal combustion engine that runs on hydrogen. That will be even more inefficient and costly.
Forgot to mention that your Hydrogen vehicle is a higher emissions than gasoline due to the natural gas and heat energy used to make the stuff.
Get an EV.
I work in a warehouse with h2 cells, they are absolute trash.
they constantly have faults that need to be cleared and breakdown often.
mostly voltage and pressure jumps as the system works... changing machines several times in a 10 hr shift!
the fuel station needs training, techs and has issues in pumping when it was busy or at all.
cells died often due to the lack of on power on demand... small battery and weak charging. which set off a other fault 😅
there are so many issues with the tech, and then just the idea of it being a good energy storage is just idiotic.
the idea of taking any form of energy to make h2 is an energy loss, on top of all the other energy and resources to make it work. if only everyone could learn some basic science, or at least take the effort the learn about physics if you're going to try break the laws of thermodynamics 😅
I've seen a couple of studies putting it at about 5x the cost per mile vs EV.
Very very few 'EV SUCK HYDROGEN ANSWER' commenters have any idea of the kind of cost per mile they'd be looking at.
It's worse because it's fundamental physics you're fighting, meaning that economies of scale would only drop that by a few percent (eg small efficiency gains in hydrogen production/transport/storage etc), nothing like the 300-500% required to achieve cost per mile parity with an EV.
Meanwhile economies of scale mean an EV keeps getting cheaper.
Hydrogen is dead before it starts. If the physics isn't enough, look at how many big companies are building EV chargers, buying EV's for their fleets/buses and investing in new electric car designs, versus the number doing hydrogen stations/vehicles etc..
@@HoltAlex That's very well possible...
@@5353Jumper That's only strictly true for some forms of hydrogen (those that we'd probably end up with if the desperate fossil fuel companies won their lobbying to have 'alternative options' for powering personal vehicles as often gets mentioned by governments - eg carry on with fossil fuel dependency as they clearly have no understanding of thermodynamics ..makes me sick).
The picture when producing hydrogen from renewables isn't much better for all the wastage reasons the original commenter mentioned.
Why not just make piston motor that runs on hydrogen cuz its eazy
This is the best arguement for hydrogen to move forward. Every ice vehicle can be converted thus not losing older cars in the process.
Agreed. This probably will be the route to go. It'll allow an infrastructure to take hold.
It's less efficient mileage wise
Hypercharging with 800volt systems like the KIA EV6 is the future. You cant even get to the toilet and drink a coffee before you reach 80% ❤
Waste management been using this technology for years and it works better then our diesel trucks🤦🏾♂️. I might buy one plug it up at work😆😆🤣
Congrats , u got a ticking time bomb on 4 wheels
Fr any accident that punch through the tank can turn it into a bomb.
@@yytyytgif the tabk gets perucerd it just vents the hydrogen, even if it's sorunded by fire it's vented to fast to combust
A normal car is literally filled with highly volatile and flammable petrol
From gasoline bombs to hydrogen bombs on the road🤷🏾♂️🤯
That's not really a problem versus the fact that tanks for only 300 miles reduce your usable cabin space. Gasoline explodes, Hydrogen can shoot flames, and certain types of batteries will gradually burn for an extended period of time.
At this point your best bet is probably batteries that won't burn, and will charge in 30 mins or less. That's ideal for most people since we tend to have electricity at home or at work.
Hydrogen bomb didn't work that way
For most drivers, charging time doesn't matter because you just charge up at home. No need to take a 20 minute detour from your normal commute to refill on gas or hydrogen.
Yeah I think when people find out you can get another two hours+ of driving with a 20 min charge even if you had driven for 3 hours constant 15min-20 min isn’t a long time. by time you fuel and pay a gas car can take 5-10 mins. it’s slightly longer in maybe a 5 hour one direction trip but as you say most EV owners never stop, it’s always done at home. Saving 90% of stops.
@@legendofthepeachIf you're on a road trip the chargers are at places to eat/use the restroom, something you already need to do. Can't really order in n out with a gas nozzle in your car 500 ft away
@@xipalips Yeah agreed, I mean if do a 5 hour drive I usually bash it out in one but it’s pretty grim and I’m not really with it by the end, if I’m stopping to fuel at the mid point for 5mins chilling out for another 15 isnt really a hardship. Yes technically it takes a little longer but it’s a real edge case it’s quite rare to do that kind of drive. I think just plan a 20-30 stop half way toilet, bite to eat as you say car will be ready to go before me. Fraction of the cost and zero emissions with a slight change in behaviour. People with kids stopping to use restrooms more frequently no doubt
Well i live in a city and the nearest hydrogen station is about 90 miles away. Not very convenient.
The hydrogen station in Anaheim hills, Ca is always locked. It appears the maintenance is not done, and the owner doesn’t get payed for the lease from who ever. The system is only as good as the supporting resources.
This is the technology we need. It'll work with ICEs and electric vehicles. I hope they've taken requisite steps to prevent leaks.
I don't think you have a clue to how these work 🤣🤣🤣
Sure they did, that's why no bmw leaks oil. And hydrogen is at least 100times harder to keep confined.
Meanwhile Toyota Mirai like 4 years ago... 😂
More like 10 years ago
@@Racing_Fox I just know it was a long time ago.
Technology direct served from TOYOTA JAPAN
Ive read of a system that converts water to H2 and 2O2. No need to store the fuel, other than a tiny reservoir for initial starts. That was a while ago, but no word since
Yeah maybe because it's against the physic's laws to make it feasible.
Why did you left out the part where you have to wait for the refuling nozzle to get back to a warm temperature because it freezes after every car is refuled😅
Honda: dude, we make Fuel Cell cars way back early
When the transmission blows up the whole car blows up
There is no transmission in a electric car and yes I believe this car is electric because he said hydrogen fuel cell and those turn hydrogen into electricity
15 lbs of hydrogen is equal to nearly 7 kg. Currently, it is $7 per kg. That is $48 for a full tank. More than gas right now. No thank you.
It's never really going to improve with economies of scale either, fighting fundamental thermodynamics barriers by needing to convert the energy so many times with big losses at each step.
Alternatively just put the energy straight into a car which you can drive for 3+ hours before needing to stop for 20 mins to take a shit anyway, and the car can charge while you're at it.
Madness.
my uncle had diy homemade hydrogen powered '91 Honda Prelude, until it one day exploded. His subwoofer which was in the trunk ended up going through the windshield. He never told us how to make it neither did he try to perfect/improve his creation
he basically used tap water and had cells that turned water into nitrogen and oxygen
That would be the opposite of these...
@@tepac5537Yeah no I'm calling cap. What you're describing is electrolysis, which requires a stupidly high amount of electricity for the amount of hydrogen you extract. That electricity has to come from somewhere. Either your uncle was stupid, and was using batteries to power the electrolysis and then using the hydrogen to power the car, or he was lying (Or you're lying, that's possible too)
@@richardmillhousenixon my guess is his uncle was lying or he misunderstood what his uncle was saying and has just repeated the story even though it’s complete and utter nonsense.
Yes i really want to buy a car that costs more than a average house to buy and drops its value by 50 percent as soon as i drive it out of the dealership.
And 30 grand a year to insure it and another 50 grand a year in maintenance to keep it on the road
You can't make your own hydrogen at home. But you can make your own electricity.
you can make your own hydrogen at home
2020: “Gas cars are bad. The future is Electric Vehicles”
2024: EV’s take to long to change, gas powered cars are the future”
This isn’t a gas powered car. It’s a car powered by a gaseous element. And it’s only emission is water
@@MrBudderTacoMBT Yes I know but I find it ironic that it came full circle in terms of innovation in less than 5 years because manufacturers are realizing that EV’s aren’t as great as they thought.
@@JoePeznope. Hydrogen is Not the Future for privat Persons.
The Argument "you can fill it Like a normal car" ist Just a lie.
You can fill it in 5 min. If you are the First. The next people have to wait a Long Time (30min+).
And with the new super charges 300kw+ you need for a normal car 10-15min.
For a nio et7 which Drives 1200km you need ~15min from 20-80%, i think this ist fast enough.
@@JoePezBased on what bro? EVs get more popular every year. The Model Y was the top selling car, period, last year. 2000 hydrogen cars got sold last year vs 1.2 million EVS in the U.S.
@@xipalips Model Y, top selling car period? 🤔 yeeeah I don’t think so. I mean correct me if I’m wrong but the Corolla has been the best selling car in the world for the past 20 years straight and if you’re talking about the US market then it’s the F150. So I’d like to ask you where you’re getting your information from my guy.
bmw made prototype of the hydrogen engine in 1995 and used it in the 7-series E38. many of them still works.
In event of accident how safe is it to be sitting on top of hydr tank?
Where are all the hydrogen stations? I haven’t seen one anywhere near a interstate highway yet.
How much are they gonna charge for the car and hydrogen refills
Well, when you wreck out, you take out half a neberhood
Sounds like an explosive design 💥
Does it sound any good?
The explosion risk is minimal but a very cool way to go out if it happens . The killer is fuel cost if the TH-cam videos are correct and everything on TH-cam is correct .
when you get the car but realize you’re stuck on coastal california 💀
So you only refuel the car to reach the next hydrogen station.
The amount of pressure in those tanks, any kind of accident or puncture to the tank, and its all over for everyone. Let alone finding fuel. They've been making cars like this for years its just to impracticable to do it
Dash says 120 miles range left at half tank, ie 240 miles range or roughly 385km. Doing the math it’s cheaper in Sweden to run an x5 diesel. BMW has been doing this over and over for as long as I remember, never been able to actually deliver on it..
They'll never be able to. Basic thermodynamics means hydrogen is boned from the start.
I respect you saying 20-30 mins charge time, some cars charge quicker but a lot of people say have to charge for 8 hour hur dur not practical
20-30 min if you find working, high power charger that delivers advertised power. Which usually not a thing where i live. Usually its 1-1.5 hours stops to charge my id4.
@@Vidmantas969 shoulda got a Tesla
The best thing about H2 vehicle fuel are those 700 bar tanks = 10,000 psi!!! One of those things blows, you don't want to be in the same zip code.
Wouldn't it just be better to have batteries you can charge at home and insert when ready? Like having 8-12 of them you change out when it's low? That way you can charge in the car and outside..
My F150 is powered by CNG, i get about 200 miles for $7 a tank and can tow my 5,000lb boat like its nothing, can your prius do that?
Toyota has a Supra with the same tech. The only problem is finding hydrogen stations and it's not something you can easily install at home either. Hydrogen needs to be super cold, so storing that mean burning throw your electric bill.
300 mile range, 750 miles between H2 distribution centers.
So electricity is cheaper than gas but takes way more time to fill. Gas is more expensive but can be done filling in a few minutes… How much would a fill of hydrogen cost if it only takes around the same amount of time as gas?
What's wrong with regular gas/ petrol ?
I get PTSD thinking about my BMW's driveshaft and giubo. The giubo over time cranks and the driveshaft develops enough play till it eats the CSB. Don't wanna imagine what a neglected x5 hydrogen car would be like when the driveshaft finally goes in that thing. (although it would most likely have hydrogen fuel, electric motors)
I know ev people hate diesels, but inalwaysbthought absmall single cylinder diesel with a generator would be the perfect combination. You can use it to charge the batteries or use it to drive the car and not have to worry about being stranded. Also diesel is more available than hydrogen, hydrogen might have a filling station every coupl2 hundred miles but its a couple hundred miles out of your way. Most gas stations have diesel available even remote stations.
The energy to run vs the energy output only makes this viable for commercial vehicles at this time.
A bit odd the way it adds water when ramping down from the final spin, can only assume this maybe down to steam functions on other programs 🤔
This is perfect!!! Wait where are the hydrogen stations?
Under the hood are electric motors , like you said the fuel cells are in the back of the car
300 miles of range.
How close is the next H2 station?
The problem with refueling a hydrogen gas car ist that the refueling station can only service 6 cars per hour, because it has to repressurize after each fill up. So the wait time might be longer than with a straight up ev
What a pipe dream
He never mentions there is only a handful of hydrogen refueling stations even in California. Battery powered cars may take a little longer to charge up but at least you can find nearby charging stations.
I'M NOT driving a hydrogen BOMB. I learned from the hidenburg disaster
Even if the car works, it they didn't resolve the problem with hydrogen storage (both on the vehicle and the refueling station) it won't matter. Hydrogen molecules are so tiny that with time they pass through other bigger molecules of the container.
Toyota has been doing this for a while. I like how hydrogen does really well in the cold. These electrical cars suck big time in the cold. I so so many get towed to the nearest charging station.
Fuel cells under the passenger seats is just genius.
One small rock and the whole car is flying
Imagine the car saying "Refueling not possible".
If people complain about not enough electrical charging stations, there's fewer Hydrogen refuelling stations. Even if there isn't an EV supercharger available... there's electricity everywhere. You might have to wait a few hours, but you won't have to have your car towed to a hydrogen station.
I’m curious, what would happen in an accident ? Dumb question but like would it blow up ?
And since no container can store hydrogen long term, how long till all the hydrogen seeps out?
There's only 1 station here on the southcoast, which means you have to fill in the drive home and need to refill
Or… you can use gasoline! ⛽️ 😂
Issue is the hydrogen needs to be so pure (so it doesn’t contaminate the fuel cell) which means it takes enormous amounts of energy to make. Whilst better than battery power, still very energy hungry
Hydrogen will pretty much never be a valid alternative fuel.
Hydrogen vehicles have been a thing for years 😂😂