Shango, i'm living in Germany and i'm quite familiar with these German Radio-Sets, so I know the weakest points. But first I have to say: if you get this set running, you can expect a really good sound from it. Normally the Output-Transformers are very well build with 0,35mm (or 0,0138 inches, sorry we're metric) core-laminates, made of "Trafoblech IV", that's grain-oriented silicon-iron. Nothing very special today, but simply the best you could get in the 50's and 60's. The Speakers are "Isophon"-Speakers, a well known and highly regarded german Brand in this era -this wasn't crap. The Tweeters are HM10, but I can't say what type these Full-Ranges are. I see all the Paper-Caps in your Video and it shakes me a bit. Unluckily these are ERO 100's -or as we say here "Zahnpasta-Kondensatoren" ("Toothpaste-Caps") cause of the brittle-whitish moulding-compound. They are all leaky today and really have to go, especially in the output-stages and at all grids. The same for the smaller Electrolytics. The Speaker-Output connectors are the two on the right side on the back of the chassis. These are DIN-Type Speaker connectors, very common here in Germany from the late 50's until the early 80's. You have these with the 3 holes (the plug has only one thicker flat prong and one smaller round pin), so the plug could inserted in two directions, in one direction the internal Speaker were switched off, in the other not. So there is a Switch in these Sockets, and this switch has a very common problem, cause the contacts are silver plated -and now totally corroded after 5 Decades. So I would really say: figure these switches out and short the contacts so you get a proper connection between the Speakers and the Output-stages. If the ECC85 in the FM-Tunes is weak or toasted, maybe you can find a 6AQ8 -it's the only equivalent type. But I know these are not common in the US and hard to find. A last hint: check the B+ voltage. All these Sets used selenium-rectifiers in the power-supply and they often get weak and dropping the B+ voltage. Two types are common: the "Flachgleichrichter" made by Siemens (a flat, rectangular rectifier in a shiny aluminum-casing) or the "Rundfunk-Gleichrichter" made by AEG in a black metal-can like a Electrolytic. Hope this will help a bit. Fell free to ask if you would.
@@shango066 Sorry, I forgot something. You want to add a MPX-Decoder, so the whole FM has to work properly. This Set uses a EABC80-Tube, I know these are not common in the US, so you may not familiar with the circuitry around these tubes. The EABC80 has 4 (!) Systems integrated: one high mu triode (normally used for the first AF), one small Diode (normally used as AM-Detector) and two bigger Diodes with low Impedance for the FM-Discriminator. In this kind of Discriminator-Circuitry you'll find a Electrolytic, the common value for this C is around 5 Microfarads, normally for about 35V working voltage. This Capacitor is a critical Component, cause the AGC-Voltage for the IF-Amp in FM-Mode is sourced right there. If this Cap is leaky or dead, the whole IF-Amp will not work properly on FM. In most cases you'll find this Cap somewhere around the EABC80 and the last FM-Filter-Can on the PCB. The positive Lead of this Electrolytic is normally grounded. Good luck!
@@paulschuessler8477 Its the same as our T8 tube, 5T8, 6T8, 19T8 etc and its used in many radios and tvs for final fm stage. Zenith used it in almost all fm radios so its very common here. I am aware of the stabilizing capacitor too and will probably just change it.
You can check the B+ Voltage for the FM tuner with an oscilloscope. I'm not 100% sure but I think the FM tuner gets its B+ through a contact in the bandswitch assembly. If this particular pair of contacts is dirty you get a very dirty supply voltage to the FM tuner, leading to a weird behaviour of the tuner circuit. If you measure it with a normal multimeter it looks fine but if you check it with the osmelloscope you see all kinds of crap. If you are very brave you can align the thing with the "original" procedure stated in the proper German manual. It takes about a week, tho... Btw: In my experience, the 6AK8/EABC80 Tubes literally never go bad. I had lots of Radios from the 50s on my bench with thousands of hours on them (burnt out dial bulbs, crusty tube sockets, shot bearings on the tuning knob) but the original EABC80 was fine. If the filament isn't burnt out, the tube is (almost everytime) fine. ALWAYS change the caps on the terminal strips on top of the output transformers!
My father in law used to be a TV repair man. He once told me after WW2 until somewhere in the late 60s all german TV sets used basically the same components, so they were easy to fix for any repair shop.
I can’t believe that the guy actually played along with that on the phone. Priceless!! I’m sad to see WEV going. I sure hope that they don’t go through with the budget cuts and take it down.
I used to live in LA thirty years ago and there actually were naked people walking around on Hollywood Blvd from time to time. Some things don't change.
These old German radios all used an output transformer with two secondaries, one for the speaker and the other for inverse negative feedback. That is why they sound so superior to most American radios of the time.
Shortwave was my window to the US when I lived in Central Europe. That was back in the Iron Curtain, pre internet days. My grandchildren have never heard of it.
The repair estimate looks like it was for a Denon DRA-375RD One thing to prolong the life of these German radios, is to set the voltage selector to 145 instead of 120 or 110. The tubes aren't driven as hard. Usually the voltage selector on these is 110-120-145-220-240... not sure where in the world 145 VAC power supply would exist, but it serves a purpose as mentioned above.
Italy had 160/270 Volts power supplies in remote areas in the 1950's. Obviously the voltages at those days were way lower hence the 145 Volts tap was allowed for.
If the 6,3 volts are like they should I would say leave it at 120/110 because usually the selenium rectifier is tired and doesnt let the voltage through that it should. Thats what I experienced with my old radios. For example I have a Kuba stereo console where only 210 volts are getting through instead of 265. We have 226V line voltage and the transformer is on the 220V setting.
Thanks for the information about the 160 Volt AC supply, Ray. I have wondered for ages where this "medium" voltage was used, and even searched online, and found nothing. Italy in the 1950s... you are a wealth of amazing knowledge with power transmission! I have dozens of German tube radios of this vintage. and have seen 145, 150, 155 and 160 on different manufacturers, apparently just for Italy (at the time) !
It is not Normandy (French) but Norde (North) Mende (after Otto Herman Mende) and was a company founded by Otto's son in 1947 as Norddeutsche Mende-Rundfunk GmbH and shortened to NordMende. It became one of the major brands in the 50s and 60s in Germany. A friend's wife who moved here from England had one of these, maybe the exact model, if memory serves.
@@LakeNipissing Yep, they were still around in the 70s and still a big brand. They were known for wonderful radios when most other makers cheapened out. They started losing ground around then in the super-competitive TV field and, like our own brands RCA, GE and so on, ended up being swallowed by the French Thompson company. (Now Technicolor SA) An Irish outfit now uses the name for appliances and TVs but there's no connection to the original. Nowadays even the Japanese are swallowing other brands or selling them off to others. That comes from outsourcing production. Same thing that happened to our brands. Distinctions disappear and consumers become aware that they are not getting the actual name on the stuff but something from a no-name. Brand loyalty becomes impossible when even brands are not loyal to themselves.
@@RuneTheFirst yes thats right!and they are very high end stuff... i have a bunch of nordmende radios and also tv's they are quite common in Europe, i live in Portugal , they have quite complex circuitry when compared to most of the american radios , harder to service but when they work properly they are great performing and great sounding..i have a couple of videos of my nordmende stuff
Thanks for doing these videos. I am 67 and have been dabbling around radios last couple of years, always wanted to, have time now. I'm learning a lot of trouble shooting from you and enjoy your humor very much. Glad you did the German radio.I have about 15 of them. Fixed a couple. Would love to see you take the wax off the I.F.s and see what you can do. Fun watching you use giant caps, and get the smoke out of resistors, etc. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Sorry for jason cruzing, but you definitely have to recap german radios of this era. I am german and those "Wima"-capacitors are nicknamed "Knallbonbons" (in english "firecrackers") for a reason. The yellow tar/wax capacitors are crap as well. The Styroflex(mylar) and the tubular ceramic ones are mil-spec and not to worry about. I use a nordmende parsifal tabletop radio (more or less the same as yours) as a daily driver in my kitchen. It has the original greencone alnico speakers in it and that thing REALLY shakes the house. Its insanely loud with those high efficiency speakers and the maxed out (310Volts) el84s. The only drawback is the old German FM band it tunes (88-100MHz).
you are right, they are worse than paper caps....i have some Knallbonbons rated at a 1kv and if you feed them with 100vdc they let pass 20v, they basically turned into resistors
The worst are the purple colored wimas across the line. They are a true fire hazard. In the 70s there were bulletins sent to radio and tv repair shops in germany which ordered the shops to change them in EVERY appliance before it leaves the shop.
Shame about WWV, I hope they reconsider. I'm sure others have said this, but I think this idea of putting all of our communications needs on the 'net and relying solely on it is going to come back and bite us in the ass one day. Radio for all it's faults is still there when the communications grid goes down, the internet...not so much...
But its cheaper to just shove everything on the internet, so unfortunately that's just what will happen. They don't seem to give a shit that it's going to be unreliable. Here in Australia we have some of the most expensive and unreliable internet and electricity in the world, plus tonnes of people in rural areas where it would be way worse than in the city, yet the same attitude is present here.
Shango, that red album is AWESOME ! I’d love to own it. It’s got Earnest Tubb & Hank Williams Sr. As for the radio...I wish California wasn’t so far from the Midwest, that’d be an awesome radio to own as well. Dang, you find the most kick-butt, old-school audio gear. Keep cranking out your great (and educational) videos. Look forward to each new one you drop on TH-cam. Two thumbs up !
That turntable is exactly the same type as in one in the Grundig console, we had when I was a kid in The Netherlands. Interesting it works with one output tube, no push pull.
This one is stereo, so I believe it uses one EL84 per channel. Push-pull will still work with one tube, but volume will be lower, and distortion will be higher
It looks like a later version of the changers that Voice Of Music kitted for Telefunken to assemble. The earlier ones had the over-arm on the front left corner, like the earliest V-M TriOmatics from the late 1940s.
You should make a separate video with those phone calls (the one at the end of the video here) :D Was quite hilarious to hear the guy there actually reply to you with gibberish too lol
The man on the phone as actually understood what you were telling him, "not to call back" let's see if is smart enough to tell his colleagues lol! Great work love your comedy video's, what a nice way to learn. Merry Christmas!
I had a very similar model as a child. Stable and sounded great. The automatic changer mechanism was very similar to V-M (might have been). A cousin brought a MPX decoder back from Germany and we set it up. Wow. Serious channel separation and very little high-frequency distortion.
Glad this channel is getting deep... Respect and Congrats Shango. I spent years, before the 'Net', thinking that all this would be lost.... Like Paper and typing.
I've had those tubular capacitors fail once or twice was working on a 1960s Philips radio and in the output stage one of these types was breaking down and causing issues so wouldn't mind betting its that 300pf 'Roast Delcious' capacitor as you called it..made my day hearing that. Always enjoy your videos Shango 👍
Do more of this calls Sir, I was dying so bad. Look like both of you were having a seizure contest !!!!!!. Im starting to do that here too, got tired of this calls. Lets burn their time.
Bizarrely I often listen to your repair videos sat in bed late at night here in the UK but you made me chuckle for ages with the line: "I'll get along somehow - Sounds kinda miserable." Thanks - made me laugh!!!
thanks for covering a european radio, trying to get a feel for common issues, but being in a former soviet block country its more Tesla than grundig etc (yes tesla tube radios not the US car maker) and long repair videos work for me just dont turn into Mr Shangos lab...
Amazing the phono worked as is, with no service, even with the "bump" in the idler wheel, speed is almost right on, Asia sounds good!😊 I believe that record changer was made by P.E. (Perpetuum-Ebner). I have seen these before in a few German consoles I've had in the past.
13:00 Decode that!!! 😁😁😁 Too bad about WWV going away. 45:49 You found a fellow gibberish speaker! Will that be a thing like Klingon, where if you announce in court that you speak Gibberish, the court will have to appoint a translator? 🤣 Nice job as always! All the best!
Roasted doggie bone capacitors...yummy! I never heard of caps of that kind, only resistors. Loved the video & funny phone call, and the way the guy was doing what you were.
I love it that when Shango started feeding him the blehrblahblahblzz, the telemarketter responded back immediately with more blehrblahblahblz. This tells me the telemarketer has heard this tactic multiple times before. LOL!
I have one here ! Mine has a dual 1004 turntable vs the Telefunken that yours has. The amp is stereo single ended. I need to do some research capping and fix the slipping fm tuner string. I love this set.
Watched all 3 parts of this. Good stuff! I've got a Telefunken Allegro 5183W that I've had in 3 shops, and it still doesn't perform properly. Wish I could send it to you. I know it's one of the later ones in the Telefunken line and doesn't have the quality of the Nordmende. But it's a beautiful cabinet, for what that's worth.
Cool video. The analysis was interesting... it's entertaining to watch you figure it out... The FLIR stuff was great... the stuff with the 72 rpm records was cool and funny... and 45:20 had me nearly spit taking my coffee. Very funny.
Make your vids as long as you like Shango, you'll have no complaints here! Why won't the tuner work with the valve pin adapter in place? Great ending btw.
Hi. The Nordmende turntable with the auto spindle must be used with the arm. But to use the arm you must lift it up about an inch in order to unlock it and swing it over the top of the disk.
This is a keeper! Once working fully, I bet it would sound awesome. AM already sounds great. I'm surprised the turntable actually worked on it (well, mostly working.)
Imagine there's no shortwave It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah... Imagine there's no AM It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join Shango And the world will be as one Imagine no FM I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join Shango And the world will live as one
N Gauge England -Synthematix- Christmas has become a consumer holiday of consumption where people feel obligated to buy even going into debt buying a bunch of worthless junk nobody wants and nobody needs just to satisfy some subconscious psychological programming that's a result of corporate standardized media programming. Something like that. I don't spend a dime don't want anything just don't want to be a part of it at all.
39:00 Please explain why we still call them phones? Aren't they a pocket computer/tricorder with a phone as a built in peripheral? Give them more sensors so they can do more awesome stuff vs charging more money for the same thing every year. So much more they could do.
All the audio companies made stereo consoles in the late 50's, all you have to do is add the stereo! Isn't like buying a car with automatic transmission, and all you have to do is remove the clutch and add a torque converter and a bunch of pumps? I admit that I was intrigued enough to read the entire wiki article on "stereo" and it's quite fascinating. Sound engineers began in the late 1800's to make electrified audio more directional and stimulating, mostly pushed along by the movie companies and finally to consumers about 75 years later.
yeah!! shango adorei gostei da última música que tocou no pick-up você é um ótimo técnico shango, por outro lado adoro os seus vídeos seu amigo Ricardo salles Franz gunart
That sucks about WWV. That was my first exposure to short wave radio as a kid. And back then we actually set watches and clocks to it. Now I find it’s helpful to figure out if the problem is the radio or all the interference from modern devices. Oh well. Like farts in the wind so go the complaints of older generations.
Nordmende originally from Bremen, Germany, is a trademark owned by Technicolor SA. Nordmende was historically renowned as a major consumer electronics brand for high quality televisions and domestic appliances. The brand is now manufactured and distributed under licence in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Turkey and Italy.
I'd personally watch the whole thing if it were a 5 hour epic, then again you gotta keep us in suspense (or suspenders?) :) it's a staple of traditional programming to leave the audience always wanting more. Love your "Google" guy at the end of the video, I like it when they play along. Oh, my Beovision 8802 is working now.
Also, those old 78's were recorded acoustically. That's why they sounded so low-fi. Until maybe the 1930's. That's when they used electronic microphones. The Columbia was probably acoustically recorded
Cool RPM app you have there Shango. That white button on the TT senses the 10" record size. The lever near the tonearm support senses the 12" records. No trigger means 7" records.
It was called the Trio-Matic. It was introduced in the USA in 1951 by V-M (Voice of Music). In Europe, it was produced under license by Grundig, in Canada by Seebreeze, and in Argentina by Winco. These companies often put their client radio manufacturers' brands on the turntables.
It was a good solution to the record size detection problem for auto changers, but it was not foolproof. It didn't work well for mixed size record stacks. BSR's Magi-disk selector was fool proof. It used an index flag near the tone arm that each record passed as it dropped. full trigger was 12", half trigger 10", and no trigger for 7". Even in a mixed stack, it knew where to drop the needle.
@@dougbrowning82 Yes, BSR and Garrard could mix all 3 sizes, as could Collarro (Micromatic) if you put them in order. V-M must have gone on the assumption that 7" records would have large holes, so there was no need to intermix them, so the button could only tell if the first record larger than 7". Not perfect for the UK or AUS, where 45s had small holes. Still better than the dumbed-down changers of the 1970s; Garrards with only 4 speed-size settings were the worst.
I had this as a kid, only bigger wooden chest. I hated it lol. The fm never worked when i got it from my grandoparents. To load records you have to lift the bracket up first. It can load a number of records and play them automatically. I can still smell the record player
This looks similar to a Grundig stereo console that I have. My father purchased it in 1963 from JC Penny & Co. The turntable looks almost exactly like mine except that my turntable is branded with the Telefunken name. Unfortunately the back cover has disappeared along with the cheater cord. Hopefully there is some type of internal tag or marking identifying the radio chassis. Any idea where I can obtain a schematic for this classic?
Shango, i'm living in Germany and i'm quite familiar with these German Radio-Sets, so I know the weakest points. But first I have to say: if you get this set running, you can expect a really good sound from it. Normally the Output-Transformers are very well build with 0,35mm (or 0,0138 inches, sorry we're metric) core-laminates, made of "Trafoblech IV", that's grain-oriented silicon-iron. Nothing very special today, but simply the best you could get in the 50's and 60's. The Speakers are "Isophon"-Speakers, a well known and highly regarded german Brand in this era -this wasn't crap. The Tweeters are HM10, but I can't say what type these Full-Ranges are.
I see all the Paper-Caps in your Video and it shakes me a bit. Unluckily these are ERO 100's -or as we say here "Zahnpasta-Kondensatoren" ("Toothpaste-Caps") cause of the brittle-whitish moulding-compound. They are all leaky today and really have to go, especially in the output-stages and at all grids. The same for the smaller Electrolytics.
The Speaker-Output connectors are the two on the right side on the back of the chassis. These are DIN-Type Speaker connectors, very common here in Germany from the late 50's until the early 80's. You have these with the 3 holes (the plug has only one thicker flat prong and one smaller round pin), so the plug could inserted in two directions, in one direction the internal Speaker were switched off, in the other not. So there is a Switch in these Sockets, and this switch has a very common problem, cause the contacts are silver plated -and now totally corroded after 5 Decades. So I would really say: figure these switches out and short the contacts so you get a proper connection between the Speakers and the Output-stages.
If the ECC85 in the FM-Tunes is weak or toasted, maybe you can find a 6AQ8 -it's the only equivalent type. But I know these are not common in the US and hard to find.
A last hint: check the B+ voltage. All these Sets used selenium-rectifiers in the power-supply and they often get weak and dropping the B+ voltage. Two types are common: the "Flachgleichrichter" made by Siemens (a flat, rectangular rectifier in a shiny aluminum-casing) or the "Rundfunk-Gleichrichter" made by AEG in a black metal-can like a Electrolytic.
Hope this will help a bit. Fell free to ask if you would.
cool thanks for the info. im on it
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Sorry, I forgot something. You want to add a MPX-Decoder, so the whole FM has to work properly. This Set uses a EABC80-Tube, I know these are not common in the US, so you may not familiar with the circuitry around these tubes.
The EABC80 has 4 (!) Systems integrated: one high mu triode (normally used for the first AF), one small Diode (normally used as AM-Detector) and two bigger Diodes with low Impedance for the FM-Discriminator. In this kind of Discriminator-Circuitry you'll find a Electrolytic, the common value for this C is around 5 Microfarads, normally for about 35V working voltage. This Capacitor is a critical Component, cause the AGC-Voltage for the IF-Amp in FM-Mode is sourced right there. If this Cap is leaky or dead, the whole IF-Amp will not work properly on FM. In most cases you'll find this Cap somewhere around the EABC80 and the last FM-Filter-Can on the PCB. The positive Lead of this Electrolytic is normally grounded. Good luck!
@@paulschuessler8477 Its the same as our T8 tube, 5T8, 6T8, 19T8 etc and its used in many radios and tvs for final fm stage. Zenith used it in almost all fm radios so its very common here. I am aware of the stabilizing capacitor too and will probably just change it.
Hey Paul, any thoughts on why the FM would be distorted? Anything over 50% deviation and the FM starts clipping
You can check the B+ Voltage for the FM tuner with an oscilloscope. I'm not 100% sure but I think the FM tuner gets its B+ through a contact in the bandswitch assembly. If this particular pair of contacts is dirty you get a very dirty supply voltage to the FM tuner, leading to a weird behaviour of the tuner circuit. If you measure it with a normal multimeter it looks fine but if you check it with the osmelloscope you see all kinds of crap.
If you are very brave you can align the thing with the "original" procedure stated in the proper German manual. It takes about a week, tho...
Btw: In my experience, the 6AK8/EABC80 Tubes literally never go bad. I had lots of Radios from the 50s on my bench with thousands of hours on them (burnt out dial bulbs, crusty tube sockets, shot bearings on the tuning knob) but the original EABC80 was fine. If the filament isn't burnt out, the tube is (almost everytime) fine.
ALWAYS change the caps on the terminal strips on top of the output transformers!
These German radios were a staple of 80's garage sales. So many brands, yet all the same.
My father in law used to be a TV repair man. He once told me after WW2 until somewhere in the late 60s all german TV sets used basically the same components, so they were easy to fix for any repair shop.
I can’t believe that the guy actually played along with that on the phone. Priceless!!
I’m sad to see WEV going. I sure hope that they don’t go through with the budget cuts and take it down.
I used to live in LA thirty years ago and there actually were naked people walking around on Hollywood Blvd from time to time. Some things don't change.
What a cool console! I would love love LOVE to have one of these. I especially love those peg legs! The little bit at the end was HILARIOUS!
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Can't wait for the next video, these vintage radios and TVs are absolutely fascinating.
These old German radios all used an output transformer with two secondaries, one for the speaker and the other for inverse negative feedback. That is why they sound so superior to most American radios of the time.
Where did they inject the negative feedback? Into an earlier audio stage?
Shortwave was my window to the US when I lived in Central Europe. That was back in the Iron Curtain, pre internet days. My grandchildren have never heard of it.
I'm dying laughing, that you finally got a phone solicitor to talk back gibberish with you!😁
You have no idea how much time I am willing to spend watching someone fix an 89 year old radio.
Could just be the coolest old radio/phono unit I’ve ever seen, amazing lighting!
The repair estimate looks like it was for a Denon DRA-375RD
One thing to prolong the life of these German radios, is to set the voltage selector to 145 instead of 120 or 110. The tubes aren't driven as hard. Usually the voltage selector on these is 110-120-145-220-240... not sure where in the world 145 VAC power supply would exist, but it serves a purpose as mentioned above.
Italy had 160/270 Volts power supplies in remote areas in the 1950's. Obviously the voltages at those days were way lower hence the 145 Volts tap was allowed for.
If the 6,3 volts are like they should I would say leave it at 120/110 because usually the selenium rectifier is tired and doesnt let the voltage through that it should. Thats what I experienced with my old radios. For example I have a Kuba stereo console where only 210 volts are getting through instead of 265. We have 226V line voltage and the transformer is on the 220V setting.
Thanks for the information about the 160 Volt AC supply, Ray. I have wondered for ages where this "medium" voltage was used, and even searched online, and found nothing. Italy in the 1950s... you are a wealth of amazing knowledge with power transmission!
I have dozens of German tube radios of this vintage. and have seen 145, 150, 155 and 160 on different manufacturers, apparently just for Italy (at the time) !
It is not Normandy (French) but Norde (North) Mende (after Otto Herman Mende) and was a company founded by Otto's son in 1947 as Norddeutsche Mende-Rundfunk GmbH and shortened to NordMende. It became one of the major brands in the 50s and 60s in Germany. A friend's wife who moved here from England had one of these, maybe the exact model, if memory serves.
They still around in the 1970s. I have a Nordmende 'Globetrotter 808' multiband portable, which is from 1978, and an excellent quality radio.
@@LakeNipissing Yep, they were still around in the 70s and still a big brand. They were known for wonderful radios when most other makers cheapened out. They started losing ground around then in the super-competitive TV field and, like our own brands RCA, GE and so on, ended up being swallowed by the French Thompson company. (Now Technicolor SA) An Irish outfit now uses the name for appliances and TVs but there's no connection to the original.
Nowadays even the Japanese are swallowing other brands or selling them off to others. That comes from outsourcing production. Same thing that happened to our brands. Distinctions disappear and consumers become aware that they are not getting the actual name on the stuff but something from a no-name. Brand loyalty becomes impossible when even brands are not loyal to themselves.
@@RuneTheFirst yes thats right!and they are very high end stuff... i have a bunch of nordmende radios and also tv's they are quite common in Europe, i live in Portugal , they have quite complex circuitry when compared to most of the american radios , harder to service but when they work properly they are great performing and great sounding..i have a couple of videos of my nordmende stuff
Thanks for doing these videos. I am 67 and have been dabbling around radios last couple of years, always wanted to, have time now. I'm learning a lot of trouble shooting from you and enjoy your humor very much. Glad you did the German radio.I have about 15 of them. Fixed a couple. Would love to see you take the wax off the I.F.s and see what you can do. Fun watching you use giant caps, and get the smoke out of resistors, etc. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Can't wait till you replace the capacingtons in the normandie sterlington. those el84's tubingtons keep you nice and wormingtons. 😊
Sorry for jason cruzing, but you definitely have to recap german radios of this era. I am german and those "Wima"-capacitors are nicknamed "Knallbonbons" (in english "firecrackers") for a reason. The yellow tar/wax capacitors are crap as well. The Styroflex(mylar) and the tubular ceramic ones are mil-spec and not to worry about.
I use a nordmende parsifal tabletop radio (more or less the same as yours) as a daily driver in my kitchen. It has the original greencone alnico speakers in it and that thing REALLY shakes the house. Its insanely loud with those high efficiency speakers and the maxed out (310Volts) el84s.
The only drawback is the old German FM band it tunes (88-100MHz).
you are right, they are worse than paper caps....i have some Knallbonbons rated at a 1kv and if you feed them with 100vdc they let pass 20v, they basically turned into resistors
The worst are the purple colored wimas across the line. They are a true fire hazard. In the 70s there were bulletins sent to radio and tv repair shops in germany which ordered the shops to change them in EVERY appliance before it leaves the shop.
Thankyou shango for the time announcement on Shortwave, I so miss hearing it as we don’t have shortwave anymore here in Australia. 😃👍🏻
Think it went years ago here in the Uk corinna, MW is nearly dead here too, everythings gone on D.A.B here
Shame about WWV, I hope they reconsider. I'm sure others have said this, but I think this idea of putting all of our communications needs on the 'net and relying solely on it is going to come back and bite us in the ass one day. Radio for all it's faults is still there when the communications grid goes down, the internet...not so much...
But its cheaper to just shove everything on the internet, so unfortunately that's just what will happen. They don't seem to give a shit that it's going to be unreliable. Here in Australia we have some of the most expensive and unreliable internet and electricity in the world, plus tonnes of people in rural areas where it would be way worse than in the city, yet the same attitude is present here.
Shango, that red album is AWESOME ! I’d love to own it. It’s got Earnest Tubb & Hank Williams Sr. As for the radio...I wish California wasn’t so far from the Midwest, that’d be an awesome radio to own as well. Dang, you find the most kick-butt, old-school audio gear. Keep cranking out your great (and educational) videos. Look forward to each new one you drop on TH-cam. Two thumbs up !
That turntable is exactly the same type as in one in the Grundig console, we had when I was a kid in The Netherlands. Interesting it works with one output tube, no push pull.
This one is stereo, so I believe it uses one EL84 per channel. Push-pull will still work with one tube, but volume will be lower, and distortion will be higher
Thanks for your reply. Cheers ! @@justsumguy2u
It looks like a later version of the changers that Voice Of Music kitted for Telefunken to assemble. The earlier ones had the over-arm on the front left corner, like the earliest V-M TriOmatics from the late 1940s.
No push pull, just one tube in class "A" per channel.
If you pull one tube you end up with only one channel working.
Looking forward to part 2.
Loved the nonsense at the end :D
you can hear the warm sound just by looking at it.
You should make a separate video with those phone calls (the one at the end of the video here) :D
Was quite hilarious to hear the guy there actually reply to you with gibberish too lol
The man on the phone as actually understood what you were telling him, "not to call back" let's see if is smart enough to tell his colleagues lol! Great work love your comedy video's, what a nice way to learn. Merry Christmas!
Caruso = Enrico Caruso, an Italian operatic tenor, the end of the video is priceless :-)
Love your sarcastic disdain.
I had a very similar model as a child. Stable and sounded great. The automatic changer mechanism was very similar to V-M (might have been). A cousin brought a MPX decoder back from Germany and we set it up. Wow. Serious channel separation and very little high-frequency distortion.
This is one of those new-fangled sets with the hidden, all-metal picture bulb; this explains the “no raster” symptom. 😝
I really enjoy watching you do your thing..
Its been yrs. , I've bern following you
Funny video. That guy at the end was doing the same thing back.
What a cute little radio! top shelf video shango great stuff. nothing beats the glow of real bulbs much better than horrible leds
Glad this channel is getting deep... Respect and Congrats Shango. I spent years, before the 'Net', thinking that all this would be lost.... Like Paper and typing.
thx shango hope u have a merry christmas!!!
Love that tuneing eye tube design :)
I've had those tubular capacitors fail once or twice was working on a 1960s Philips radio and in the output stage one of these types was breaking down and causing issues so wouldn't mind betting its that 300pf 'Roast Delcious' capacitor as you called it..made my day hearing that. Always enjoy your videos Shango 👍
I would have happily watched this entire video to conclusion in one sitting. Eagerly awaiting part 2
Those old uncoated 78s actually sound a little better on an acoustic phonograph, the hiss isn't quite as overpowering.
Great video. I really hate to see WWV go away, its always been there as long as I can remember.
Nice video Shango. Love the phone call at the end. :D
This looks like a very nice project, watching out for part 2.
A diamond in the rough! You may want to keep it after you get it fully functional......Would be great for Christmas carols!!
Very cool radio, you have a great talent for fixing vintage Electronics🤠
Is Rhino liner Toyota wiring where is Larry Brunel parmar deers near Valero Mike are carrots purple by my actual primeval Irish a ceremony
Welcome to the valve tapper and wiggler show!
This is really cool merry Christmas.
Do more of this calls Sir, I was dying so bad. Look like both of you were having a seizure contest !!!!!!. Im starting to do that here too, got tired of this calls. Lets burn their time.
Bizarrely I often listen to your repair videos sat in bed late at night here in the UK but you made me chuckle for ages with the line: "I'll get along somehow - Sounds kinda miserable." Thanks - made me laugh!!!
thanks for covering a european radio, trying to get a feel for common issues, but being in a former soviet block country its more Tesla than grundig etc (yes tesla tube radios not the US car maker) and long repair videos work for me just dont turn into Mr Shangos lab...
Amazing the phono worked as is, with no service, even with the "bump" in the idler wheel, speed is almost right on, Asia sounds good!😊 I believe that record changer was made by P.E. (Perpetuum-Ebner). I have seen these before in a few German consoles I've had in the past.
13:00 Decode that!!! 😁😁😁 Too bad about WWV going away. 45:49 You found a fellow gibberish speaker! Will that be a thing like Klingon, where if you announce in court that you speak Gibberish, the court will have to appoint a translator? 🤣 Nice job as always! All the best!
8:00 - That tuner interface reminds me sooo much of my Granddad's Majestic Grundig console!
love ur videos man i learn so much from u an would like to learn more in person about older tube radios an tvs an other things i really look up to u
That leaky cap was biasing the output tube into class A2!
Roasted doggie bone capacitors...yummy! I never heard of caps of that kind, only resistors. Loved the video & funny phone call, and the way the guy was doing what you were.
Thanks for the great content, Shango. Cheers.
Love your phone blehrblahblahblzz - priceless !
I love it that when Shango started feeding him the blehrblahblahblzz, the telemarketter responded back immediately with more blehrblahblahblz. This tells me the telemarketer has heard this tactic multiple times before. LOL!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@NomadOfNorad It tells me that this is an actual language, known in the West as Shangoese.
this channel should be so mutch bigger! i dont have any radios or tvs. but its damn intersting
INSHALLAH
I have one here ! Mine has a dual 1004 turntable vs the Telefunken that yours has. The amp is stereo single ended. I need to do some research capping and fix the slipping fm tuner string. I love this set.
Watched all 3 parts of this. Good stuff! I've got a Telefunken Allegro 5183W that I've had in 3 shops, and it still doesn't perform properly. Wish I could send it to you. I know it's one of the later ones in the Telefunken line and doesn't have the quality of the Nordmende. But it's a beautiful cabinet, for what that's worth.
I love that red columbia record
Cool video. The analysis was interesting... it's entertaining to watch you figure it out... The FLIR stuff was great... the stuff with the 72 rpm records was cool and funny... and 45:20 had me nearly spit taking my coffee. Very funny.
You actually got through to the man on the phone at the end. Seemed like a relatively well mannered conversation.
Make your vids as long as you like Shango,
you'll have no complaints here!
Why won't the tuner work with the valve pin
adapter in place? Great ending btw.
Hi. The Nordmende turntable with the auto spindle must be used with the arm. But to use the arm you must lift it up about an inch in order to unlock it and swing it over the top of the disk.
I think he knows this, he just couldn't manage it one-handed. He needs a a pair of camera glasses like LGR's.
This is a keeper! Once working fully, I bet it would sound awesome. AM already sounds great. I'm surprised the turntable actually worked on it (well, mostly working.)
"Won't go on" is what I told my mechanic when my car not go.
Imagine there's no shortwave
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...
Imagine there's no AM
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join Shango
And the world will be as one
Imagine no FM
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... You...
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join Shango
And the world will live as one
Oh and merry christmas shango, hope you have a wonderful time
I zero no celebrate this holiday. I make totally ignore zero celebration a total success
Okay... here in the UK a holiday is something you go on with your other half or parents haha
N Gauge England -Synthematix- Christmas has become a consumer holiday of consumption where people feel obligated to buy even going into debt buying a bunch of worthless junk nobody wants and nobody needs just to satisfy some subconscious psychological programming that's a result of corporate standardized media programming. Something like that. I don't spend a dime don't want anything just don't want to be a part of it at all.
Oh dear shango, didnt think you were like that lol, i was going to buy you 3x NOS packard bell roundies haha
39:00 Please explain why we still call them phones? Aren't they a pocket computer/tricorder with a phone as a built in peripheral? Give them more sensors so they can do more awesome stuff vs charging more money for the same thing every year. So much more they could do.
WWV Fort Collins is what we used in the Navy to synchronize our equipment to also.
"Don't be sticking your hands in that." ~ Shango066
One of these days i will get one of those German radios. I like the way they look and they almost always have FM.
Love your videos.... I once got a copyright strike on a video of a guitar pedal I built playing Black Sabbath riffs through it... LOL
wow you really do read comments
All the audio companies made stereo consoles in the late 50's, all you have to do is add the stereo! Isn't like buying a car with automatic transmission, and all you have to do is remove the clutch and add a torque converter and a bunch of pumps?
I admit that I was intrigued enough to read the entire wiki article on "stereo" and it's quite fascinating. Sound engineers began in the late 1800's to make electrified audio more directional and stimulating, mostly pushed along by the movie companies and finally to consumers about 75 years later.
yeah!! shango adorei gostei da última música que tocou no pick-up
você é um ótimo técnico shango, por outro lado adoro os seus vídeos
seu amigo Ricardo salles Franz gunart
Nice ending
Great video. Sounds good even pre-repair. It would be cool if you could tweak the 78 speed record player to work better.
1:21 oh man, I feel so bad for that person who thinks Voice of America is for justice.
Sadly no, we very much are the baddies.
I like it. Same year as me!
I remember that place in Lomita amazing
Shango: wants FM tuner to work.
*gets radio working*
Shango: "no no no... shut up you will copyright me"
That sucks about WWV. That was my first exposure to short wave radio as a kid. And back then we actually set watches and clocks to it. Now I find it’s helpful to figure out if the problem is the radio or all the interference from modern devices. Oh well. Like farts in the wind so go the complaints of older generations.
Tube test extender socket? hah! no chassis flips required.. have to hunt a set of these down...
*cannot *wait* for pt.2.
Nordmende
originally from Bremen, Germany, is a trademark owned by Technicolor
SA. Nordmende was historically renowned as a major consumer electronics
brand for high quality televisions and domestic appliances. The brand is
now manufactured and distributed under licence in the United Kingdom,
Ireland, Turkey and Italy.
Actually, the record player is from Telefunken.
I'd personally watch the whole thing if it were a 5 hour epic, then again you gotta keep us in suspense (or suspenders?) :) it's a staple of traditional programming to leave the audience always wanting more. Love your "Google" guy at the end of the video, I like it when they play along. Oh, my Beovision 8802 is working now.
Also, those old 78's were recorded acoustically. That's why they sounded so low-fi. Until maybe the 1930's. That's when they used electronic microphones. The Columbia was probably acoustically recorded
The external speakers are the 'pin and paddle' two pin DIN connectors to the right of the chassis
Sometimes the external speaker socket switch can oxidate and make poor connection. (the square part of connector)
Mullard tubes can be used to replace what is missing, by the way ECC88's might work in various places in that unit.
Cool RPM app you have there Shango. That white button on the TT senses the 10" record size. The lever near the tonearm support senses the 12" records. No trigger means 7" records.
It was called the Trio-Matic. It was introduced in the USA in 1951 by V-M (Voice of Music). In Europe, it was produced under license by Grundig, in Canada by Seebreeze, and in Argentina by Winco. These companies often put their client radio manufacturers' brands on the turntables.
Thank you very much for that detail. Very cool name. You learn something new every day. Cheers. @@dougbrowning82
It was a good solution to the record size detection problem for auto changers, but it was not foolproof. It didn't work well for mixed size record stacks. BSR's Magi-disk selector was fool proof. It used an index flag near the tone arm that each record passed as it dropped. full trigger was 12", half trigger 10", and no trigger for 7". Even in a mixed stack, it knew where to drop the needle.
@@dougbrowning82 Yes, BSR and Garrard could mix all 3 sizes, as could Collarro (Micromatic) if you put them in order. V-M must have gone on the assumption that 7" records would have large holes, so there was no need to intermix them, so the button could only tell if the first record larger than 7". Not perfect for the UK or AUS, where 45s had small holes. Still better than the dumbed-down changers of the 1970s; Garrards with only 4 speed-size settings were the worst.
Great 👍 one at 9:14. Your friend, Jeff.
Thanks for shareing
Nooooo I loved WWV I'll record it a lot now!
Can you adjust the Parallax setting in your FLIR software to get the IR and outline images aligned? Or is that the best it'll do?
Caruso. Probably named for the famous tenor Enrico Caruso.
I had this as a kid, only bigger wooden chest. I hated it lol. The fm never worked when i got it from my grandoparents. To load records you have to lift the bracket up first. It can load a number of records and play them automatically. I can still smell the record player
This looks similar to a Grundig stereo console that I have. My father purchased it in 1963 from JC Penny & Co. The turntable looks almost exactly like mine except that my turntable is branded with the Telefunken name.
Unfortunately the back cover has disappeared along with the cheater cord. Hopefully there is some type of internal tag or marking identifying the radio chassis. Any idea where I can obtain a schematic for this classic?
The old EL84s would probably be worth a lot to audiophools. I’ve made good money selling rare tubes on eBay.
Wish I had a stereo tube set like that