THE TERRIBLE RELATIONSHIP OF CHE AND MIRANDA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- i can't talk about this trainwreck enough.
Note - I KNOW THE PIANO IS SUPER LOUD. I’m releasing it again attached to part 2 and the volume is lower. Will post the link when it drops.
• THE TERRIBLE RELATIONS... (FIXED AUDIO ON FIRST HALF, THIS IS BOTH PARTS)
Chapters:
00:14 - 2:12: intro
02:13 - 4:49: the beginning
04:50 - 12:32: "it wasn't an affair, it was a finger!"
12:33 - 14:32: "what can i say, i'm a f**king narcissist!"
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Hey everyone - I KNOW THE MUSIC IS SUPER LOUD, I’m sorry! There is an updated link in the description box for parts one and two and the AUDIO IS FIXED!
I actually really enjoy the music 🥴
The way miranda chases che really was grimy , like a middle schooler trying to please their crush.
THIS. I hate it with a passion. If she wouldn’t tolerate this from a MAN what makes it ok now that it’s a masc presenting woman who is non binary?
@@aspyn.j_ I agree, shitty behavior is shitty behavior, the problem is they wrote che to be a unicorn of virtue. Somehow.
that's kinda pathetic.
Yes.
That middle schooler was me 😅 so, I recognize that clingy person anywhere lmaoo original Miranda would NEVER
miranda’s behaviour is peak toxic babygay
The OG Miranda wouldn't have put up with a second of Che's bullshit. Of all the ways that they ruined SATC's legacy with And Just Like That, the Miranda/Che story was the worst.
Yes OG miranda would had left the moment she was being disrespected
@@angelaholmes8888OG Miranda would’ve hated Che from the moment she gave her minor son weed imo
THIS.
The OG Miranda wouldn't have lost their phone while cleaning up the beach - and even if she did - she wouldn't have reacted like a headless chicken. Miranda is in control. Or was. They destroyed that character. She became spineless.
They kinda through dignity right out the window.
Che is the new Big; Steve is the new Aidan; Miranda is the new Carrie.
ding ding ding!
Yes!
Ewww
Oh waw, you nailed it!
Noooooo that's a horrible universe
I'll never forgive the writers for what they did to Miranda and Steve *(especially* Steve)! I really enjoyed this. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!!
I agree 👍
It feels like everyone who touches it has to put THEIR stamp on the show, ignoring what came before. I'd rather they cancel it than allow this crap to be out there in the universe sullying the show's legacy.
I just pretend the show ends after the 1st movie. Or this is an alternate universe.
@cjd5235 me too. I dont care about anything that comes after the first movie.
Ok, who brings tequila for a person who is recovery?
someone like che lol
Better yet she was a drunk and then stopped with no mention of getting help lol 😂
Che obviously 😅
An... Asshole, that's who.
@@WynnWynn-gl3fkShe went to AA meetings in LA.
Che and Miranda have as much chemistry as an old lighter on wet cardboard. Idk what they were going for when they introduced Che.
a bunch of boxes to tick.
Che too hardcore. She should be on Mad Max
Nothing in AJLT makes sense. Carrie Bradshaw is a well known author (regardless of how mediocre her writing is) and her boss is a failing comedienne 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 The writing is just so sloppy.
@@aspyn.j_ Apparently Nia was going to be her love interest but Cynthia Nixon wanted someone more butch. Which isn't something I'm against in theory, but they should still be likable right?
@@blkloislane That's too bad. Nya would probably have made more sense with Miranda.
The way you kept throwing "oregano" in there sent me. LMAO. I still absolutely hate how they ruined Miranda's character. She was one of my favorites during the original series.
Agreed! They totally ruined Miranda, she would never have changed this much in the original series as far as her personality goes; it's so cringey to watch
She might get dementia tho😂
She was my fave too despite all of her flaws. I guess the show is hellbent on ruining everyone except Charlotte because she usually has the most growth.
even maria and Samantha made more sense than these two, che is the worst!
I liked Maria and samantha relationship they did make sense
Miranda’s 20 year long mid life crisis and Che’s eyebrows are a burden upon my soul. I just watch on mute for LTW, Nya, and Seema’s clothes.
🤣🤣🤣 Ches eyebrows 🤣🤣🤣
And yes I love seema’s fashion! Same with LTW.
@@aspyn.j_ they’re horrible, right?!?! 😂
@@aspyn.j_ Gurl, when LTW carried her wig case through the snowstorm, I caught the Holy Ghost in my living room. 💃🏾💃🏾🤣
I could’ve written this comment😂
“I’m just the girlfriend” Che’s face killed me. I literally made the 😬 face. Miranda should’ve just ran.
Fr. If anyone ever makes that face when you say that you’re their gf, you might want to just leave 😂
The original Miranda wouldn't be this clingy and needy I hate how they try to make so woke
Right she was a corporate lawyer 😂
Original Miranda have more attitude
I just hate how the things that happened on the og episodes have gone out the window. Like when Miranda was set up with a gay lawyer from her firm? They go on a “date” to one of the partner’s dinner parties and try to kiss in the elevator. But Miranda realizes that she’s straight. Also Che is just a horrible person for the reasons laid out in this video.
Thats not what woke means everytime its something different doesn't make it woke
@@ripwednesdayadams Honestly, Miranda being queer is not the issue. They could have done a storyline on her and Steve growing apart and falling out of love, and getting a divorced, but remaining friends. And then have her come out later in life, as she begins to develop feelings for he rprofessor.
This is honestly why I hate they try to change the sexuality of characters just because the actor playing them is gay. Like Miranda didn't need to leave her husband of 20 years. It made no sense at all and made her unlikable.
"New Jersey's not going to make itself laugh." No, mate, and neither are you.
LMAO!!!!
😂😂
I hate the way Miranda dumped Steve. She treated him like garbage.
Even though Steve has annoyed me a lot in the original show and he cheated on her, she never respected him and always acted like she was doing him a favor for being with him.
I honestly h4ted Che's character, that wasn't Miranda
#notmymiranda
I also hate how the show is trying to push weed. Some people don't like it, including myself. The smell makes me sick and if someone tried to breathe it into my face, thats be the end of that friendship for not respecting boundaries.
I smoke weed and I agree. I would never just light up unless someone said it was ok. However I feel the same way you do about cigarettes. Either way, best to ask first or just idk go outside?
@@aspyn.j_ I agree, ty for understanding my view. I dont do weed but I'm not going to belittle someone who does. Just do it at your place not mine right? :)
I agree also. As a weed smoker, it's pretty bizarre to see weed smokers portrayed as overstepping people's boundaries and constantly pressuring non-smokers to smoke. Smokers mostly smoke with fellow smokers.
I smoke but I think it’s insane to just light up in someone’s house with out asking, much less at a fucking funeral😭
@@desireesmusic6236 ikr, why at a funeral
Damn did they all undergo botox? And lets be real Miranda never loved steve she tolerated him
Che was INSUFFERABLE. I couldn’t stand that character!
The Miranda I know would never put up with this.
I never liked Miranda, now that I'm older, I CAN'T STAND THAT SELFISH COW. She's the WORST. "This isn't enough! " NOTHING EVER IS FOR HER.
this is true. she's never happy.
Che's hair reminds me of a Pringle
She’s rocking the fuccboi special 🤣
I think it’s normal that some people go through a life crisis when they are older. It’s normal that a marriage goes through trouble. But she definitely has psychological and emotional problems which don’t seem to be tackled in the show. She has always been kind of neurotic and desperate in a way. But now that she’s older, her neurosis has gone up by a 100.
Also, we know she tends to get clingy sometimes when it came to men who had Che’s attitude. I’m rewatching the sex and the city series and it’s shown multiple times that she’s attracted to men who have a narcissistic or have an aggressive personality. Which does translate as to why she’s attracted to Che. Che has a difficult and aggressive personality.
She wants to cling to Che so that she feels that her choices was correct
Miranda fits the description of an addict to a tee. Where the thing she’s addicted to is another person and willing to give up their whole lives to satisfy the other. Che is a narcissist who needs the constant validation that Miranda offers them. But also the validation that everyone else gives them too.
I am a latina and my last name is Díaz and i dissaprove of Che Díaz.....this character is a disgrace for the latino comunity 😡😡😡
Che is a narcissist.
The narration and writing is A+. I would lower the background music a little
Thank you for the feedback and omg I wish I could fix that because it is loud af lmao it’s better on the second part!
I feel like it's a good story to tell, it's just not Miranda's story to tell. It's almost like Che is the main character w/Miranda as the side.
100% this. very true.
Oregano & organisms😂😂😂
lol gotta be creative in these youtube streets!
@@aspyn.j_ 😂♥️
The writers really messed up dealing with che and miranda relationship they definitely are not healthy together 🚩
This was great! I kept saying Miranda musta got a brain transplant with how she acts in AJLT! Justice for Steve & Che is the worst & now that I think about it exactly what Miranda deserves can’t wait for you to do season 2 on the train wreck cause it only gets worse
thank you so much for watching! i LITERALLY just recorded the voice over for part 2 because you're right, it's even worse. :/
@@aspyn.j_ np bout to watch another video of yours & probably subscribe great work sis
Everyone made out like the hatred of Che Diaz was transphobia. Nope. They're just a terrible, narcissistic character. Thank God they're not coming back for another season (though I've already given up on the woke-performative, self congratulatory AJLT, which misses the SaTC niche entirely.) This show was never overtly about social justice issues, and it sucks all the enjoyment out of it when the viewer is constantly bludgeoned with condescending lessons about social justice. It feels like an extended lecture from the writers masquerading as a sitcom. The point of inclusivity is to just include people of color and LGBTQ characters in the pretty fashion and relationship foibles that SaTC was always about, not to make it all about their differences and how much they struggle to be included. Just include them and don't self congratulate yourself on including them, writers and producers. What a missed opportunity and wrong response to the criticism of SaTC's lack of inclusivity.
the biggest crime they've done to Miranda is make a blonde have to wear redhead colours for the last 26 years
LMAO i can't even lie, that's funny.
Omg I could not stand Che character on this show
Hate how everyone thinks this kind of character change can’t happen. I saw it happen in real time with my sister. She was a “hard-ass” type growing up but then all of a sudden in our 20s she’s this emotional softie that cries when she used to make fun of me when I’d cry.
Everyone is on here saying they hate how AJLT ruined Miranda's character and I agree to an extent; but if you go back and rewatch the show, you can see she was always kind of like this. Sure, she wasn't whiny and thoughtless; but her self loathing, repressed queerness, and even her alcoholism was always there.
When she goes on a date with the detective who was supposed to help Carrie find her stolen shoes, she becomes super insecure, gets wasted, and he ghosts her the next morning and leaves the phone number for her local AA chapter.
Miranda also never really liked Steve. He cajoles her into a committed relationship when she made it clear from the beginning she wanted something casual; on their honeymoon she's miserable and uninterested in sex; she doesn't want to cuddle with him several times while they're dating, she doesn't want him to move in; the list goes on. She has a super unique style in the original series that often borders on being very masculine. She keeps her hair cut short. Her being gay is super believable. Miranda is to Steve as Big is to Carrie.
Finally, Miranda has always been miserable, unhappy, and caustic. In the original series I think a) her youth b) the whimsical and lighthearted nature of the show and c) her friends, softened how intense Miranda's neuroses could be. It was usually played off as her having a strong personality, or just being sarcastic and having a strong back bone, but if you go back and pay attention it's really startling. In the episode where Miranda finally starts dating Steve, right after she offends him and he leaves the restaurant, she says "I knew it. Big's not coming. Men are shit." with tears in her eyes. Obviously I know she was crying because of her emotions about Steve, but Carrie (who is decidedly straight) would never have said something like that.
In conclusion, I also hate the reboot. But it's realistic as hell. The choices we make in our youths can and do make us miserable if we are not true to ourselves. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Bravo. Well said.
I’m also rewatching the series and look at it from an older pov. And I agree with you to a certain degree. Miranda had lots of times to explore her sexuality but she denied it. Just because she was more masculine does not mean it was obvious she was repressing herself. If that side was explored at least even once during the show then it would have been understandably.
Agree with the fact that Miranda is kind of neurotic, clingy and likes aggressive personality. Which is what I see that attracts her to Che. Either way, my take on Miranda is that she desperately wants to be in a relationship but she gets bored immediately. She doesn’t realize that the way she behaves in heterosexual relationships is not the same way she should act in a bisexual relationship.
And Steve, as much as I like him, they should have had them just be friendly parents and not have them be together. The writers had her settle
I think you have inadvertently proved how expert writing, particularly the comedic kind can allow beloved characters to get away with everything and anything 😂☕️
Because you are so spot on about OG Miranda. But of course because of time gone by & AJLT’s abominable writing, folks are now looking back on the character (SATC in general tbh) with a VERY idealized lens
They addressed Miranda’s queer style and personality in the original series. She entertains dating a lesbian, and decides it isn’t for her. I’ve known masculine straight women, that’s what Miranda was.
@@Rinniantoinette agree she and steve would have made pretty good coparents since they balance each other out. Also agree that a masculine straight woman is not an oxymoron and they definitely exist. In miranda's case though, I'd say her having suchly a starkly masculine style compared to her friends in combination with her dissatisfaction with a heteronormative lifestyle was evidence that a queer relationship would have suited her a lot better
does che ever explain why their performances are called comedy ‘concerts’? i only saw s1 and i was under the impression that the term is comedy ‘show’. them constantly calling che’s mid stand-up routines concerts makes me cringe to this day
AJLT is an alternate world, i'm convinced. che doesn't ever have to take accountability for anything. they get to smoke in elevators and outside of funerals and everyone just carries on. carrie is for whatever reason besties with che although they had sex with her best friend in her kitchen and stunk up her apartment with weed PLUS they shit talk her alleged ride-or-die. like i just don't get it. AND they get rewarded with another love interest. it's maddening.
You know the irony is Miranda did to Steve what he did in the movie and she lost it.
And I just realized that Che does to Miranda what Big did to Carrie. No wonder it's toxic as F.
I think they gave miranda a toxic relationship bc Big was gone, and the show kinda thrived on the constant drama of the toxic relationship. idk
Great video as always. But yeah that's not Miranda at all. They killed her! 🤬
thank you! and yes, they murdered my fave!!! :(
Wow, this was brilliant! Thanks!
You’re welcome!!!
This was good! I love the way you broke this down
Thank you!!!
Totally cool ✨✌🏻🏀
i like Miranda and Steve together
It would have made more sense if Charlotte had ended up bisexual, than Miranda. Miranda had already dated a woman, and it was a hard "no." When Charlotte's boyfriend wanted the threeway, she seemed really in to it. I still laugh how that turned out, though. One of the funniest scenes in the O.G. series was "The Peacock." 😅
I can't handle the piano background music in this
I know it’s annoying - I reuploaded it with the 2nd half and the audio is fixed.
Suuuuch a good analysis 🎉 they ruined miranda, and why did che have to be so damn unlikeable?
Because the actor is reprehensible. You can tell in interviews.
what is callie torres doing
THIS IS THE WORST ... UNWATCHABLE!
But you still left a comment. Thanks for engagement!!
@@aspyn.j_ They're talking about the show, not the video
If they were going to have Miranda chase tail then she needs to not look like an old lady.
Amazing summary. Loved listening to it. Thank you!!
no problem and thanks for watching!
I can't wait for part 2! =D
me neither lmao i was raging on this one alone
The level of cringe I experienced watching Miranda run after Che. I can’t believe what they’ve done to this character
Can I PLEASE keep Steve?!? He’s GORGEOUS 💕
This may not be a popular opinion. But I feel that Miranda always needed a very strong alpha presence for her to be happy. And steve was not that. She wanted someone "stronger" than her. Whether she found that personality in a man or a woman. Steve coyldnt provide that. Che still sucked tho
absolutely. not unpopular at all, at least to me. she needed someone on equal footing as her. too bad robert's character went to shit.
Its like Miranda turned into Carrie. She was stupid for Che like Carrie use to be for Big.
Bro…… what is with the church band background music going on here 😅😅
I knooooooow lmao it’s so loud. Watch the video with both versions, the audio is fixed 😉
later in the series when they break up carrie and miranda go see ches comedy gig , where che is making jokes and being SO cruel about miranda , she doesnt even apoligise when she realises miranda was in the audiance
Thank you for this analysis. Talk about sad…About to watch part two
Why would she dismantle all the good things in her life and take up with an obviously gender male woman? I dont get it? Really. Why would she be desperate for this?
Honestly? The they/them thing is so distracting and confusing.
it's grammatically incorrect yes, but the sara ramirez identifies as NB in real life.
@@aspyn.j_it is actually grammatically correct. Not to mention respectful. You’re treating the character and the actor with dignity. Don’t back down from that because some people want to complain that it “confuses” them.
The actor that plays Steve apparently lost his hearing in real life.
OG Mirando would have never ever moved from her city to follow an affair.
mirando hahahaha
ngl i expected you to have way more subscribers omg your videos are all soOOOO good
aww thank you! i'll get more eventually!
Such a great breakdown. Subscribed!
They 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Being judgmental is a gross characteristic but there are absolutely times when we need to be judged! Miranda deserved to be judged and criticized for cheating on her man and partying in Carrie’s apartment *while* Carrie is post surgery sleeping. Miranda strong armed Che into a relationship and told Steve he made her miserable for 25 years, taking absolutely no accountability for agreeing to marry Steve. While watching Che and Miranda (even in recaps) is torture, I’m glad Miranda’s heart got dog walked.
3:12 not gonna lie…Miranda was looking absolutely stunning in that scene with the frosty hair and the black suit. Too bad I hate her as soon as she opens her mouth.
miranda has so FEW moments where she eats up a look and it makes me angry. she should always be wearing a suit!!!
I've always hated Miranda, shes always been annoying to me.
This how was trying to respond to the younger generation criticizing the original series for using tropes and glamorizing toxic behavior and relationships.
All it did was replace the traditional tropes with woke tropes. The toxic behavior and relationships remain.
Mirada's look in the funeral is her look! Cool hair, nice makeup, killer black suit... Hate the other looks
*I'm a middle-aged white male over 50. I'm watching SATC episodes. I gotta tell you, Big was and is an a$$hole. Really just treated Carrie horribly. But Miranda really treated Steve terribly too. I think I've learnt that people need to be more altruistic and honest with each other*
I hate Steve with all my heart. Miranda was always the only one who had to adjust and change while steve couldn’t even pack her breakfast knowing how busy she is or picking up any more other slack to balance the difference. He didn’t deserve Miranda then and doesn’t deserve her now either.
Neither Steve nor Miranda “changed.” Their relationship was never perfect but they accepted each other as they were. People need to quit rewriting history and claiming that Steve dragged Miranda down. SHE proposed to HIM. And face it, she is not an easy partner. I called it from the start that Che was never going to have the kind of patience that Steve has always had for Miranda’s temper and her neuroses.
I cant wait for part 2! Che and their stand up about their relationship with miranda, oof
thanks! part 2 is coming soon. :)
Kind of interesting when Marianda hurt her back Carrie left to by herself on the floor and when the table turned Marainda left Carrie by herself.
Steve was the best thing that ever happened to Miranda. She's a fool and so are the writers.
Che is so bad for Miranda
Can I just say it doesn’t feel natural? Like at all? Zero chemistry. She had more tension with that guy dressed like a sandwich from SATC 😂
remember in the original satc when carrie secretly gets back with big and miranda calls her a needy,insecure victim?was that foreshadowing how miranda would act with che? and personally i think ajlt was cynthia nixon not the miranda hobbes we know and love..
Miranda and chai was one of the big mistakes they made and believe me there was many number one bringing in too many different characters that nobody's really interested in number two getting rid of big too early number 3 I'm not sure who. Carrie said this to but she said she made a big mistake with big! So she threw him under the bus just to date Aiden again.4 not bringing Samantha back and not telling us why all four of them weren't speaking when their friendship was unbreakable and they said they were so mates forever. 5 Charlotte's daughter Rose. Lillian Rose grew up in a fairy tale land with Charlotte giving them everything feminine and girly but yet this one decides She wants to be a 🧒they're trying to hit every racial Mark they can hit this show has become a mockery. I don't even think I'll be watching the next season. It aggravated me and I don't know why
Carrie had some nerve lecturing Miranda about an affair!
They ruined SATC by doing this. The whole script the characters it was all awful. All this they them 💩 and making the characters different to what they was. Absolutely terrible. Also losing Samantha it just didn’t work
Just awful 😭😭 but Carrie being offended and flabbergasted when she cheater number one it’s too much for me.
I feel like people don’t understand being an age. And going through menopause. And realising what age you are and realising what that means. As Oscar Wilde says, youth is wasted on the young. Miranda is the most amazingly written character in the show, in my opinion. She is exactly how young Miranda would have turned out.
Miranda was my favorite character and this just makes me so mad. 😡 💢
I actually liked Che. They are very clear and upfront with their boundaries and expectations.
It's Miranda destroying herself to chase after them and get a regular relationship out of it.
8:37 If Che isn't into a relationship why didn't Che say something to Miranda's confession of falling in love with Che???
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Who else ships her and Prof. Nya? 🤷
I think Nya can do better! 😂
Funny thing is - nya was originally SUPPOSED to be Miranda’s love interest. But Cynthia wanted the woman to be masc presenting to mirror her own life. Sucks because they have way more chemistry.
This is also true.
@@aspyn.j_ That would have actually made more sense. Miranda & Nya are intellectually similar, age appropriate, and at similar life crossroads. Che makes zero sense.
@@aspyn.j_I always thought Cynthia Nixon has a CRUSH on Sara Ramirez and forced this plot like on us to live out her fantasy.
Spoiler: Carrie and Big were no more, so the writers just HAD to find themselves a new toxic couple for the show. Che is acting like Big was, and Miranda has become Carrie.
Miranda made Steve relationship roadkill, sadly. 😢
Also, I friggin love, Hi, I'm Che Diaz! They totally make Miranda more insane than normal and I'm here for it. It's a crime they got rid of Che, the only interesting character!
If I cringe any harder, I'll hurt myself.
Che is just Miranda’s Big.
Also wish they didn’t feel the need to change her sexuality since them showing that just because a woman is career oriented and feminist doesn’t mean she is a lesbian/sapphic. It was a pretty progressive message.
Even if they couldn’t live without a sapphic person on the show then (Since Samantha is gone 😢) they could have explored it with , now hear me out, Charlotte. Charlotte had an episode (In the good show) where she wanted to try a threesome and she seemed very sexually interested in a woman. Perhaps they could have explored repressed sexuality or something
Miranda deserved better😢
This was an absolute flaming car bomb of a storyline.
Also Brady SUCKS.
Oh my God 'comedy concert' sends shivers down my spine. Why did I watch this 😂
3:04 It is totally awkward.
This pisses me off, despise her not being happy Miranda has never been like this. She´s not irrational nor reckless
Miranda was down bad. Happens to the best of us 😅😂
she wanted and chased someone she barely had conversations with 😭😭 down BAD
The OG Miranda would hate this Woke Miranda
Ridiculous story line.
It’s only one person. Who is them??? Isn’t it her?
sara ramirez identifies as non-binary.
Her red hair at that age makes her look sickly… the grey was lovely.
the grey was fine but they gave her these terrible wigs!