A great thing Jon did that he didn't point out: sometimes the delay isn't (only) in the effect, but the arrange/performance of something IS the delay. The lead voice sang "on and on", but then the back vocals sang "on and on and on and on and on and on" which is basically just building in the concept of delay straight into the composition itself!
Great point. Also glad he pointed out the use of an analog style delay. Logic’s delays tend to be very digital, so looking for better options. The delay designer can duck out nicely but it’s a bit tedious. Some days it’s fun to control the pan, filter, and volume of each delay, but most days I prefer turning knobs.
This was amazing. Its a combination of short film aesthetic with tutorial information and a healthy dose of meta comedy that somehow makes you smile and understand better. wow.
This was fantastic! Loved the example of sending delays to the opposite side when choosing to hard-pan a track. I’ve read that that is the way to do it, but had never seen the idea applied. Also loved the in depth description of each reverb/delay and how you are using it.
You suggested sharing additional tips... I very often place an EQ with low pass and high pass filtering before my reverbs to avoid sending unwanted frequencies into the reverb. Alternately, you could place a de-esser to knock out those "spitty" moments. In Ableton, I have an effects rack with a full pass path and a parallel reverb with resonant high and low pass filters with out of sync modulation on each filter. This creates a shifting source into the reverb. It's great for static drum and percussion samples and gives you a varied space behind the source. Try phasers, choruses, etc.... One more.. try putting a saturator and compressor before the reverb or delay to simulate the soft clipping/limiter circuits in old rack units. I'm a big fan of the Deltalab Effectrons and Alesis MidiVerb 2. They have a great way of breaking up or getting brighter when you hit them harder, this method gives you some of that. Send less and the effect is darker/cleaner, send more and it's brighter/dirtier.
for the past 2-3 years I've been sending my bass to one of the iso-booth´s from the Sunset Sound Reverb. just a subtle widening and acoustic placement which sounds really nice.
Excellent demo and explanation. If you can use that level of talent, creating a song about reverb and delay, it only makes sense that you know what you're talking about. Thanks for adding to my knowledge base.
Great video Jon. Sometimes I will use a compressor on the reverb/delay bus that is side chained from the vocal just to duck to retain clarity. I notice some reverbs have this built in now.
great video you address most of the important part. I would just add tha I think it's always good to make sure you've got all the screws in your telecaster :P
If I start doing tutorials, I’m using this concept of recording a song to demonstrate. I like the idea of simplicity as well to start with standard reverbs and delays then simply control its mix and time. Kudos to the modulation trick as well. Thanks!
Embrace that hard pan, my friend! Love panning stuff +/-100. Have not used the Softube algo verb yet, I have been in love with the Ocean Way UA plug for the cohesive room stuff. Also adore "playing" my hardware boxes during mix, moving things slightly so the modulation is less reliable, more real world/random. Works especially well with OTO BIM delay.
Thanks for this masterclass, Jon. Great tips about mixing the different types of reverb, and I especially liked the way you run the FX inserts through an EQ first. I'll be trying all your tricks for myself :-)
Great tutorial, lots of great insights and useful info. We're going to share this with student from our apprenticeship program . I just wish you didn't have to make the title "Why your REVERBS & DELAYS sound AMATEUR!", but I suppose it helps get the video more views. In thinking about this excellent video, you don't say at all about why other people sound amateur, you just present a bunch of really cool reverb and delay techniques.
It doesn't matter about the sound or quality of the reverb, it's more about how you use it. How I use it is a I get a good sounding quality reverb, which aides in the sound of the overall production. Just as you start with good sources, start with good sounding gear.
Great tutorial and a lot of fun to watch, many thanks! For the reverb, I started adding 3 reverbs to my projects: small, medium and large. Typically ambience, room and hall. How would you approach the plate? Is it in one of those categories or do you use it as a ‘special purpose’ reverb?
Wow! I love that 'cool moment' on ~18:11, such a genuine emotion, perfectly reflecting the sound. Thank you so much for making your videos so good, comprehensive and dense with useful wisdom! I also love the song in the end! 🎸🎹 🎶After this song we have no excuse on using the Reverb and Delay poorly! 😆
Hi Jon. Thank you for the great content. Informative and a fun song indeed ;) I'd like to point out that your voice quality made me instant think of Mark Knoffler, I think if you released a record in his style (post Dire Straits when he went solo), added to your mixing skills, there could be something there!
This video is fantastic! I often struggle with excessive reverb and harshness in my mixes. These tips are definitely worth trying out. On an unrelated note, I was wondering if you could recommend a display monitor that would be a good match for my 2017 iMac with 5K Retina display. I recently purchased a Mac studio and I'm having difficulty finding a suitable monitor. Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated.
The only time I use reverb on a bus is when I know I'll be sending multiple channels (like snare and toms) to that one reverb. Otherwise, everything gets its own reverb - whatever I'm feeling like at the time, but usually Seventh Heaven Professional because it is versatile and always sounds amazing
You brushed over one little detail where you said that you didn't want any pre-delay on your guitar track because you wanted more togetherness (hugely paraphrased). I usually default to some pre-delay on all my verbs. I probably reach for that little knob pretty quick on every reverb plugin I put on a track. I tend to like it, but could it be contributing to more mud issues in a mix? Also: Curse you for writing such a catchy ballad. It's stuck in my head. I don't even like ballads and I've been singing "Reverb, and Delay" around the house all morning. My kids think I'm crazy and my wife is begging me to shut up. Thanks.
Just like other effects, pre-delay or most other settings, it can likely depend on the track and overall mix composition. What I think I'm trying to say is one exact setting isn't always what to use. Modify, like bending it a bit from x, to that specific sound and vibe you're after in specific guitar, vocal, piano, etc.
Because you need an actual board and mixer....but like everything it's get better with time....most DAWs don't really improve sound quality....they just easier to with and not as cumbersome with all them patch cords and space...all music sounds better going through a board..plus you gotta test the mix in different speakers etc
@@JonMeyer Kilohearts are their own company with their own plugins and bundles. I don't use ProTools so I don't know who's plugins are bundles with it. For all I know Avid and Kilohearts could have an agreement.
The best and the most original tutorial about reverb and delay I've ever seen. Great composer, great player and great teacher.
Wow, thanks!
That song at the end was absolutely beautiful
That panned slap on an acoustic is a neat trick I'll be using
That harmonica is straight up from heaven
The layers of sends for all the reverbs and delays is the part that I could spend an hour just seeing how people do it.
Incredible...
I dont think I ever had 22 min of full focus while watching a youtube video.
Just amazingly made and super helpful. Thank you
Thank you Jon for imparting your years of knowledge, allowing some of us to grow our results by leaps and bounds.
Sounds so pleasant... And thanks for clearing up some things for me🙏
A great thing Jon did that he didn't point out: sometimes the delay isn't (only) in the effect, but the arrange/performance of something IS the delay. The lead voice sang "on and on", but then the back vocals sang "on and on and on and on and on and on" which is basically just building in the concept of delay straight into the composition itself!
Great point. Also glad he pointed out the use of an analog style delay.
Logic’s delays tend to be very digital, so looking for better options.
The delay designer can duck out nicely but it’s a bit tedious. Some days it’s fun to control the pan, filter, and volume of each delay, but most days I prefer turning knobs.
One of the best reverb tutorials I've seen. thank you very much.
This was amazing. Its a combination of short film aesthetic with tutorial information and a healthy dose of meta comedy that somehow makes you smile and understand better. wow.
Thank you so much!
This was fantastic! Loved the example of sending delays to the opposite side when choosing to hard-pan a track. I’ve read that that is the way to do it, but had never seen the idea applied. Also loved the in depth description of each reverb/delay and how you are using it.
"They always sound cool, until they don't" is gold! Sooo true!
You suggested sharing additional tips...
I very often place an EQ with low pass and high pass filtering before my reverbs to avoid sending unwanted frequencies into the reverb. Alternately, you could place a de-esser to knock out those "spitty" moments. In Ableton, I have an effects rack with a full pass path and a parallel reverb with resonant high and low pass filters with out of sync modulation on each filter. This creates a shifting source into the reverb. It's great for static drum and percussion samples and gives you a varied space behind the source. Try phasers, choruses, etc....
One more.. try putting a saturator and compressor before the reverb or delay to simulate the soft clipping/limiter circuits in old rack units. I'm a big fan of the Deltalab Effectrons and Alesis MidiVerb 2. They have a great way of breaking up or getting brighter when you hit them harder, this method gives you some of that. Send less and the effect is darker/cleaner, send more and it's brighter/dirtier.
Very well done. Not only do you teach but you make the lesson fun,
Just found your channel ... super enjoyed this.
Awesome, thank you!
This video was fantastic, your channel is great, thanks for everything you do
I just came across your channel and I have to say this video is one of the most helpful I’ve found on you tube. Thanks
for the past 2-3 years I've been sending my bass to one of the iso-booth´s from the Sunset Sound Reverb. just a subtle widening and acoustic placement which sounds really nice.
I need to check that out!
Jon, you are a KING! 👑
Wow! Thank you!!! will check out your site too!
Really enjoyed your discussion of the room. That acoustic guitar recording sounds great.
Excellent demo and explanation. If you can use that level of talent, creating a song about reverb and delay, it only makes sense that you know what you're talking about. Thanks for adding to my knowledge base.
Mixing with reverb and delay can be a subtle art. Please share your favorite tips and tricks for achieving both realistic and creative spaces.
Great video Jon. Sometimes I will use a compressor on the reverb/delay bus that is side chained from the vocal just to duck to retain clarity. I notice some reverbs have this built in now.
@@Sesaon3 I was going to mention compressing the reverb as well. I sometimes use a compressor on a reverb that is on a drum to get extra boom.
Sidechaining the effect to the source is really helpful for keeping things clear and more present.
great video you address most of the important part. I would just add tha I think it's always good to make sure you've got all the screws in your telecaster :P
You’re such a great teacher!
Thank you!
So clean, informative and funny! Thank you Jon
That was fun. It would be great to see a similar video when you are limited to what you can do on a live performance.
GREAT video! I can't wait to give some of these ideas a try.
Well, watching that video was a real treat.
Loved the RL slap delay trick, tnx!
Your a Engineer Genius!!
If I start doing tutorials, I’m using this concept of recording a song to demonstrate. I like the idea of simplicity as well to start with standard reverbs and delays then simply control its mix and time.
Kudos to the modulation trick as well.
Thanks!
Your hard work on this tutorial is greatly appreciated. I learned a lot and will use this in my production.
Thank you, David!
reverb and delay sound sickkkkkkkkkkk
Embrace that hard pan, my friend! Love panning stuff +/-100.
Have not used the Softube algo verb yet, I have been in love with the Ocean Way UA plug for the cohesive room stuff.
Also adore "playing" my hardware boxes during mix, moving things slightly so the modulation is less reliable, more real world/random. Works especially well with OTO BIM delay.
also some lovely S Carey vibes on those BGVs 👏
Thanks for this masterclass, Jon. Great tips about mixing the different types of reverb, and I especially liked the way you run the FX inserts through an EQ first. I'll be trying all your tricks for myself :-)
I just discovered this channel. This is great.
Great tutorial, lots of great insights and useful info. We're going to share this with student from our apprenticeship program . I just wish you didn't have to make the title "Why your REVERBS & DELAYS sound AMATEUR!", but I suppose it helps get the video more views. In thinking about this excellent video, you don't say at all about why other people sound amateur, you just present a bunch of really cool reverb and delay techniques.
You’re a great teacher! Thanks for taking the time to do this. 🙏🏼
THANK YOU!!! ❤
Thank You Very Much!
🙂🙏
song actually slaps
Very informative, thank you for sharing this
Glad it was helpful!
It doesn't matter about the sound or quality of the reverb, it's more about how you use it. How I use it is a I get a good sounding quality reverb, which aides in the sound of the overall production. Just as you start with good sources, start with good sounding gear.
Sounds amazing even through my phone!
Great video! Thank you much!
Great tutorial and a lot of fun to watch, many thanks!
For the reverb, I started adding 3 reverbs to my projects: small, medium and large. Typically ambience, room and hall. How would you approach the plate? Is it in one of those categories or do you use it as a ‘special purpose’ reverb?
Wow! I love that 'cool moment' on ~18:11, such a genuine emotion, perfectly reflecting the sound.
Thank you so much for making your videos so good, comprehensive and dense with useful wisdom!
I also love the song in the end! 🎸🎹 🎶After this song we have no excuse on using the Reverb and Delay poorly! 😆
Spectacular video. Thanks a ton.
Thank You, Sir ))))) This is fun, and really instructive ))
I love your videos !!!!!!!!
This was helpful. Thank you. 🙂
Hi Jon. Thank you for the great content. Informative and a fun song indeed ;) I'd like to point out that your voice quality made me instant think of Mark Knoffler, I think if you released a record in his style (post Dire Straits when he went solo), added to your mixing skills, there could be something there!
not a bad idea!
I totally agree
Very informative ! Thank you
Informative and a cool tune ❤
You need to release this song!
This video is fantastic! I often struggle with excessive reverb and harshness in my mixes. These tips are definitely worth trying out. On an unrelated note, I was wondering if you could recommend a display monitor that would be a good match for my 2017 iMac with 5K Retina display. I recently purchased a Mac studio and I'm having difficulty finding a suitable monitor. Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated.
Full volume to the send and -17db fader on the return.
-27 if everything is at unity for reverb and -27- -16 on the delay
Great video!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
amazing video. Should have thousands of likes and more views.
Man this is great
The only time I use reverb on a bus is when I know I'll be sending multiple channels (like snare and toms) to that one reverb. Otherwise, everything gets its own reverb - whatever I'm feeling like at the time, but usually Seventh Heaven Professional because it is versatile and always sounds amazing
very good tricks. the song and your vocals sound like dire straits , hehe
perfect, thank you 👍
That. Was awesome. 🙂
Simply Amazing ..!! Best wishes from India
Thank you very much!
Love your channel!
great video learned a lot!
Can you do a video on the camera gear you use? It looks amazing
Hi, what benefits Valhalla delay gives you over Echoboy? I own Echoboy and always thought that's all you need.
Thanks a lot for this :)
very cool. thank you
Might I suggest a bit of additional parallel compression on the vocal to help the softer parts be more intelligible. Thanks!
Can you write a song about paradiddles and flams next?
Great tutorial thank you!
Genius 🙏
Thank you!
Thank you
Great video!
genius
You brushed over one little detail where you said that you didn't want any pre-delay on your guitar track because you wanted more togetherness (hugely paraphrased). I usually default to some pre-delay on all my verbs. I probably reach for that little knob pretty quick on every reverb plugin I put on a track. I tend to like it, but could it be contributing to more mud issues in a mix?
Also: Curse you for writing such a catchy ballad. It's stuck in my head. I don't even like ballads and I've been singing "Reverb, and Delay" around the house all morning. My kids think I'm crazy and my wife is begging me to shut up. Thanks.
Just like other effects, pre-delay or most other settings, it can likely depend on the track and overall mix composition. What I think I'm trying to say is one exact setting isn't always what to use. Modify, like bending it a bit from x, to that specific sound and vibe you're after in specific guitar, vocal, piano, etc.
Are Slap L and Slap R mono returns?
Great video as always, Jon! Loved what you said about using the original source material and getting creative with it. I'm a huge advocate of that.
How do you edit this magical content? Any software tips for tutorials?
Thanks man!
Keep em coming!
👌
Sounds very Dire Straits.
Because you need an actual board and mixer....but like everything it's get better with time....most DAWs don't really improve sound quality....they just easier to with and not as cumbersome with all them patch cords and space...all music sounds better going through a board..plus you gotta test the mix in different speakers etc
Easier to work with
The filming, editing, grading, music and mix of this video is so good. And that's on top of all the excellent info. 🤌
Right away some of this is a bit advanced for me. The terms "inserts" and "return" for example. Where might I find something more basic?
What vocal mic are you using?
«sure some reverbs might sound better than the others” very mature and professional. Good luck.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
wow
great
Timestemps please
5:44 Kilohearts plugins come with ProTools?
ahh. I was wrong. I believe they come with the Slate Bundle. Sorry about that.
@@JonMeyer Kilohearts are their own company with their own plugins and bundles. I don't use ProTools so I don't know who's plugins are bundles with it. For all I know Avid and Kilohearts could have an agreement.
there's more than 22 minutes of content in this video to learn!
bird of prey prey prey prey
Too long vid, don't have patience
Is it true that every white man has a guitar