Maybe the problem is rooted in commodity culture, i.e., finding a relationship has become like shopping for a thing, and if it isn't perfect you don't buy in. In a time when education has given people so little confidence in knowing anything worthwhile and in being able to share it, and as they're so buried in their empty phones, am not surprised that numbness and fear have outstripped erotic and emotional life.
I think narcissism is the greatest problem. You can't have a good relationship as a narcissist or with a narcissist. And capitalism made narcissism rapant.
The so called "Sexual Revolution" of the 60s was all about the commodification and commercialization of sex. Pornography was unleashed and all for profit at the expense of women and girls bodies. It has been marketed as "freeing" them when in actuality it did the exact opposite.
@@ronrice1931 I kind of took what was said from a Protestant scholasticism lens, so I think they failed to clarify how the so-called “sexual revolution” still functions within that same framework, even though sex has become detached from procreation culturally. Which also means that our culture has become even more detached and distanced from nature itself. That’s not necessarily a good thing, especially if one cares about the broader interests of society, rather than catering to the anti-social small interests that seek to maximize their own returns at the expense of others. That’s just one way of looking at it, I understand your concern though, being sentimental about the past isn’t necessarily the best way to go about things either.
I’m just floored by all the parallels, connections, and double-meanings she lays out one after another. Really fascinating and thought-provoking. Sad that this is the first time I’ve heard of her, but I’ll definitely be looking for more of her work
Better yet don't watch movies. I only watch a few anime series with few exceptions, as you get a lot more out of specific anime. It's that bad for live action series or movies these days. Yet in reality it pretty much always was to be honest. Reading is much better and most of the live action stuff is beyond dreadful these days especially. A lot of it is propaganda and brain draining nonsense.
There's a lack of numbers of adults around to provide guidance for our teenagers. No village, no tribe, no clan, no extended family. More folks with more skillsets are simply just NOT in close proximity for TOO many young people. This is HOW the group raised up the adolescent humans for 200k+ years. Helping them through pubescence, guiding them through the difficult, challenging, changing period of a young person's life. That's been unintentionally given up on, BUT is one very important key human activity that needs to be once again assigned value. BECAUSE, we humans do what is valued, get done what is given priority, and accomplish that which we "see" or realize as MOST important.
I totally agree. But I’d like to add a further overlooked point: it all starts with carer-infant relationship. The main carer needs to be essentially wrapped up in the relationship with the infant (and for several years) making care of the young child the centre of family life. Babies and children whose main carer is distracted by mobile phones or tablets becomes the adolescent and adult who craves the attention it didn’t get at the right time, thus developing disorders of the ego, distortions in self relating and in transactions with others. I’m astonished (not!) that in the 21st century we still do not teach child development and effective parenting skills at school.
Absolutely right. And children also instinctively copy the adults around them, not just rely on their verbal advice. Nowadays, young parents deliberately reject any guidance from their elders, any involvement beyond the basics--- such as giving praise and presents --- is seen as an attack on their parental authority. They in stead go online to seek advice from either 'experts' or, more often, from the young adults like them. Traditionally though, it was the grandmothers who raised the children, not the inexperienced young parents. In ALL the human societies, the continuity between a living generation and their ancestors was given the most priority because this is how any human community reproduces itself. The western people are living through an unprecedented break between the generations, we are not able to reproduce ourselves and are all left to struggle on our own. The fact that our youngsters cannot even 'mate' properly is yet another sign of this deep malaise.
Definitely. Mothers leaving the home to work outside it, while allowing them to have financial strength has deprived the next generation of their stable root.
She is telling things in a blunt way, about how twisted society has become. Seeking something that is not possible and imagining it is real. We are on a path to destruction.
The fewer humans born in America, the more leverage future workers have against exploitation, wage theft and Bezosification. If you want future generations to have a chance at a life where they are not treated like chattel slaves, have fewer of them.
No because they'll just import labor from the 3rd world. It's not speculation. That's what's been going on for roughly 40 years now. It's why our ruling class doesn't have to worry about workers being unable to afford children.
In 1982 there was 100 million less people in The U.S. That's 30% more people you either gotta compete with in the workforce or support through taxes since your parents were younger adults... It's getting worse and worse by the day with the border crisis as well.
I agree. The "phenomenon" of cross-dressing, middle-aged, upper-middle income and above men is, I think, rather easily explained. They are repressed homosexual men who came of age during the first twenty or so years of the HIV-AIDS crisis when no treatment was available. They married, had families, climbed the career ladder and are among the chief beneficiaries of a forty year bull market in equities. Entering or approaching late middle-age, they now feel less insecure about expressing their sexuality given their current social and financial status. Whether or not their spouses know, they are no doubt now less inhibited due to the deaths of their elder family members, their children being well into adulthood, and the currently prevailing positive social attitudes towards transgender behaviour. When you win at the card table, you do what you want with your winnings.
How peculiar that Eurydice is truly a sexual revolutionary by harkening back to the natural order of honest sexual relations. Also her writing is poignantly descriptive set to the tempo of a poetic cadence. Extremely captivating.
What are referring to as the natural order of sexual relations"? I hope you aren’t under the illusion that we were forming lifelong monogamous relationships at the origin of our species
How can anything be honest when it is illegal. relations between races ILLEGAL, relations between the same genitals ILLEGAL, relations before marriage ILLEGAL, relations with more than two people ILLEGAL.
Men would quite literally destroy civilization before polyamory could become widespread. The reason it was originally created was to foster social harmony (so a ruling class could be on top). We’d have to go back to Hunter gatherers to not have institutionalized monogamy.
A great open complex conversation from Chris Hedges and Eve Eurydice. Thank you. Beauty is on the inside, no matter who or what one is. As for the choice to attain it on the outside it is, rather a cultural psyche of our soul. Thank you.❤️
Chris Hedges is one of the people I admire most He knows everything about derailed society and one feels his basic kindness and humanity behind his vehement attacks. I rarely disagree with him but I do on one subject. He utterly condemns pornography and I don't. This does not mean I am a particularly a fan of pornography but I disagree with him..I find it too fixated on the genitals and continuous boring pumping with a reduction of eroticism; almost puritan from that point of view, almost desexualised. When I have heard Hedges speak about this subject he condemns it absolutely and sees it as a commercialised violation and rape of women. This is not true and many women thoroughly being in such films. Nature calls as well as commerce, or together with it. There is not one of us in whom socialised and commercialised patterns are not deeply embedded. I have quite often heard women say they are attracted to powerful men such as politicians. Some middle class women are attracted to working class men, and so on. Homosexuality, which Hedges defends, arrives form such patterns. Pornography is a valid protest against puritanism; in fact they are two sides of the same coin Of the two I prefer pornography. In a more civilized society they would be so blended into one another that nothing of either would remain as a separate entity, as in what I have read about Ancient Hawaii,They did not need pornography as something like it was happening all the time. People had sex in front of each other of their children. Marriage was not a fixed institution or prison from which people in our societies are continually escaping. One Hawaiian woman told a missionary that she had had 40 affairs outside her marriage. Unperturbed. Children did not need the protection of a family as all their elders were their family. Nor did unplanned babies of young girls. Blessed are those who can remain in one couple all their lives but they are exceptions. Marriage is not sacred as I heard one person in the interview say. It is the restrictions that lead so-called illicitness. to havoc and pornography acrimonious divorces and lethal, damaging battles for the custody of children and property.
THANK YOU, CHRIS! Excellent, highly valuable information and clarification regarding the topic.🙏 I admire your concentration and focus on delivering a top quality interview with Ms. Eurydice (you definitely succeeded!) that her quick, clever and subtle yet poignant word play, "Falacy with a 'ph'😉" ("PHalacy"😂) slipped by. Thank you for ALL your contributions, insights and evidence based wisdom, kind, committed, heroic gentleman Hedges.🙏🏆💡👏
Celibacy was actually initially practiced (in Christianity) by monks. Not all priests. It was part of living in community practicing contemplative prayer. Celibacy was also practiced in most communities of Buddhist monks, for similar reasons. The Catholic church did not require it of all priests until around 1000 ad. She correctly states the reasoning. But doesn't seem to understand the monastic history. My guess is that Chris would know this.
I think we’ve come to a crisis of the value of our culture. No one really know these things without having been under the pressure for them to come to being. We now have to learn to create societies that aren’t formed out of need, but want.
IMO - "Seperating sex from Procreation" and from Mind-Over-Body thinking is a GOOD thing.- BUT - Separating sex from MUTUAL RESPECT and PRIVACY is NOT a good thing... AS is TOO Often the case in the evolution of societies, the pendulum swings from One-Extreme-To-The-Other...!!! -70SomethingGuy StayWell Everyone : )
Michael A. Aquino, Colonel, Psychological Operations, U.S. Army (Ret.). look up what books the man wrote for you will not believe me if I tell you! After the debacle in Korea and Vietnam, the Pentagon spent a lot of money for research how to make the population of occupied territory become passive and obedient..... ONE PART of the solution is to DESTROY SOCIAL SOCIETY STRUCTURES like couple dynamics and family... AND NOW, THINK about this and look around you!
Amazed that she completely ignored how wounded these people are. She’s simply examining this as though these twisted forms of sexuality come out of a vacuum. For example, cutting isn’t about the slowing down the mind. It’s an attempt to mask extreme emotional pain.
@@roberthornack1692 ....which in turn suppress cortisol, adrenaline and norepinephrin excretion, which SLOWS the limbic reactions that create anxiety, depression and impulsive thought.
I think the underlying premise of the discussion (And a consistent Chris Hedges' theme) is how wounded we all are, in different ways, as we make our way in this this decadent, decaying, imperial culture.
Does it occur to either of these people that the motive behind acquiring money is the same as the motive behind irresponsible sex, a corrupt, antisocial motive by any reckoning. People who have enough and want more should be viewed as psychopathic, as enemies of civilized society. We should revile and repudiate rich people, with our harshest contempt saved for the richest of them.
Chris often says that pornography is something that is a big concern to him I would love to see him write a book on pornography and with at least part of it focusing on how a person's relationship with pornography is affected by a person's affluence class capitalism entitlement Etc
Dr. Gail Dines has researched that exact thing and has written that book. I believe the name of it is Pornland. She describes how our entire culture has been pornified
The "phenomenon" of cross-dressing, middle-aged, upper-middle income and above men is, I think, rather easily explained. They are repressed homosexual men who came of age during the first twenty or so years of the HIV-AIDS crisis when no treatment was available. They married, had families, climbed the career ladder and are among the chief beneficiaries of a forty year bull market in equities. Entering or approaching late middle-age, they now feel less insecure about expressing their sexuality given their current social and financial status. Whether or not their spouses know, they are no doubt now less inhibited due to the deaths of their elder family members, their children being well into adulthood, and the currently prevailing positive, post-modernist attitudes towards transgender behaviour. When you win at the card table, you do what you want with your winnings, and they've been big winners in history's largest and richest casino.
You have no idea about crossdressing or trans people. It’s very different than being gay. You use nice big words but have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
This is what ug krishnamurthi had been saying and I'm glad she reached the same conclusion in her studies. Great interview. Her outlook of climate crisis being ultimately tied to sexuality is quite correct.
Chris, you forgot to thank Eurydice at the end of the interview🙄 This is a highly thought-provoking and profound discussion on rarely looked at aspects of sex trends as cultural expression and its power to distance humans from their intrinsic nature. I’m very grateful to have had the opportunity to expand my understanding of what times we are living in 🙏😒
Eurydice has some interesting ideas, but her thinking is not very clear. She would benefit by learning about radical feminism and its crystal clear critiques of patriarchy, male sexuality, transgenderism, porn/prostitution, and "beauty". I recommend Sheila Jeffries, Dr. Gail Dines, and Andrea Dworkin.
😆 You're correct about my age. I am over 70 years old. You're wrong about the cats. My pet is a very virile man and we have a loving relationship and lots of sex!😁 I don't try to fight my nature.
@@anthonybatissa1417 Well... Sex isn't love. Without a loving relationship of respect, compassion, friendship, sharing, etc., sex is meaningless. May as well masturbate.
Why are Google's "Artificial Idiocy" bots auto-deleting relevant comments discussing the very issues of this interview? Perhaps Google and TH-cam need to be de-platformed?
"It is easier for a 🐪 to pass through the 👁️ of a needle, than the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." - Bible. "The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You." - Bible. "Know Thyself." - Socrates. The greed & psychopathy of unbridled patriarchy is not self-effacing & will be the death of us all!
I wonder if her research was too limited to wealthy people. I am mostly familiar trans folk. The trans people I know are not wealthy people at all, nor are they middle aged men. Either her research is too limited, or her research was more narrowly focused than the interview brings out. I am disappointed in Chris’s questioning. I will check out her book.
Yes. She is speaking on affluent ppl and not the trans community at all. In fact she only said that she commends them for breaking down the patriarchy.
Lol this was different from your usual interviews in a certain way Mr. Hedges. Something about sex always makes it funny and kind of uncomfortable to talk about. I'm glad you did this interview, great job sir lol
Chris went through a lot in his life seeing all the suffering and the death. Patience to focus on the negatives and that's fine because that's what impacted his life growing up. For me shining a light on darkness is turning to the positive and natural. Being in the moment enjoying the music the body movements the flow of breathing and nature. If I keep focusing on the negative my level of joy and happiness drops considerably.
I didn't realize listening this was about a 20+ year old book, with some rather harshly mixed reviews, for good apparent reasons. One highly ranked review advises that anyone with serious alt communities experience likely knows more than this book discusses, and may find it an excercise in fathoming the biases of the author. The interview seems to hit a few interesting issues, but to really cherry pick and skip other contexts. Among other issues, fet scene tends to require being part of community to have access, while places she mentioned like The Vault were known as "touristy".
First, the Con Edison has failed to prove that Butler’s non-criminal consumption of a legal substance rose to the level of abuse or that Butler’s consumption of alcohol adversely affected his job performance or the public’s trust (whatever that is). Moreover, the only consequence of off-duty chemical substance abuse is that the employee will be sent for a JFE. Here, Butler was sent for a JFE on December 16, 2014 tested negative for drugs and alcohol. On December 13, 2014, Butler was purported observed by Officer Brito moving from the driver’s seat to the passenger seat a couple of hundred yards from the DWI checkpoint. Officer Brito did not testify that Butler was driving erratically or displayed other indicia of someone that was driving while impaired. The Union concedes that Officer Brito’s assumption that Butler’s actions were to avoid being identified as either a driver who had been drinking or a driver who might not have had a valid license is reasonable. It is also reasonable for Officer Brito to assume that if he could see Butler then Butler could see him. That assumption is not reasonable. Officer Brito also demonstrated his expertise and training in many facets of alcohol and drug testing but the only verified test result was the breathalyzer results. This is important because clearly Brito had an animus against Butler. Brito testified that Butler was quietly being difficult and when Brito was asked why he issued Butler a summons for refusing to test AFTER he submitted to a breathalyzer test Brito testified that Butler was walking out of the police station with a summons regardless. Butler was issued a summons that was so patently meritless that the Westchester District Attorney’s office did not even submit opposition to Butler’s motion to dismiss. (Union Exhibit “2“) The Union submits that Brito’s testimony is troubling. A police officer charged with upholding the law and who described himself as an expert in the observation of behavior under the influence of drugs and alcohol and who is also charged with knowledge of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law issued a summons that (based on his expertise) he had to know was invalid Brito practically admitted that since Butler gave him a hard time and wasted his time that night (because he did not engage in criminal conduct), he was going to give Butler a hard time. That hard time translated into the issuance of an invalid summons that forced Butler to retain counsel and utterly wasted the time of the Court that dismissed the summons that the Westchester County determined unworthy of opposition.
Most tribal cultures have an understanding of stages of life , alternative approaches , and accept many variations of body interpretations . Some cultures do not expect women to be attractive , some , like peacocks , adorn the masculine , not the females . So what needs to be looked at is the Simplication applied to our society in 1930 , the simplicating of our life experience , male female black white rich poor , that allowed people like Hitler to dominate peoples psyche . To truly understand this one must understand the nature of OXYTOCIN , which is not a bonding hormone, it is a hormone of forgetting , which brings us back to base . All extreme escalations of sensation , be it sex organs , body pain , or sky diving , will bring forth an oxytocin rush . That includes the extreme of experience of being countercultural , or un natural . Until the nature of oxytocin is understood scientifically, as well as dopamine , we are going to be easily manipulated . First limit options , simplication , then tweak this simplified experience, create oxytocin , forget . go back again . You can talk into the imagery , but it is all spiraling increase of sensation , be it pleasure or pain , which stimulates the release of oxytocin . Please feel free to contact me about this information .
The male and female brain are the same. Perhaphs you need to understand Patriarchy and all the "cultures" you are mentioning just happen to be PATRIARCHAL.
@@KaliMaaaaa to say that the male and female brain are the same IS simplication . The entire system contains a differential . King is in his counting house counting all his money , and the queen is in the parlor , eating bread and honey . The female is about interaction , and the male is about quantification . Need we say more ? IF you feel we do , keep commenting . I am ok to continue .
No, no it doesn't degrade us at all. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. The sexual harassment in that industry is pretty bad and it's pretty unregulated, so we'd like fixing that, but none of us are gonna stop selling our bodies just cause you're feelings are hurt by it. Get over it.
Just started listening, and I'm really hoping this isn't people othering and piling on trans people due to ignorance and "the argument from icky." Edit after listening: Well, I was disappointed in so many ways. Why do people feel qualified to talk about such matters because "well I've had sex, and I know what I like, and that's just gross?" I knew that Chris's Achilles' heel is his parochial view of sexuality. But letting this pseudo-intellectual ramble on about subjects she knows almost nothing about, referencing Freud (Freud!), conflating drag queens with trans women, and judging s&m kink because it makes her feel funny (versus the flagellants, cuz they're "spiritual) without even questioning, let alone pushback, is a huge mistake. Going to a few bars and talking to a couple of drag queens (did she actually talk to them?) is not research and the many factual errors implied by her words show that she has barely begun to understand the phenomena she judges. These things confuse this lady's very particular world view and she, understandably, feels threatened by it in her bubble. If she actually spoke to the people she judges, read what doctors and biologists think about "the natural state" of things (assuming she is intellectually honest) she could not maintain this point of view. Please don't promote terrible, unsubstantiated and indefensible arguments.
She is speaking on observations she had watching AFFLUENT ppl comodisizing sex. Of course she isn't an expert. Also she didn't disparage trans ppl. She said she commends them for being in the forefront of breaking down the patriarchy.
I agree with you being on the side of nature. I try to always put myself on the side of nature. Some of my best decisions are based in an evaluation of whether a thing is natural or not.
If it occurs on this Earth or in this universe, it is natural. There is no evidence for the kind of "unnatural" that your post suggest you are considering.
Maybe during this strange and flexible time we can forge a new healthier human sociosexual framework. (One free from repression, domination, hate etc.) We also need to learn to find *trust* again.
Given Chris's background, it would have been interesting to see if Eve were capable of delving into how contrary to sick kids engaging in intense scenes for sick reasons, some of the heaviest blood sports folk I ever knew used it to balance and mitigate long term trauma from POW torture experiences in countries near Nam, where they never were, as if our black ops gone South squads had ever been there it would have meant the USA did war crimes we never did, as we're us, and they're them. Congressional budget reports, or Walter Cronkite on daily casualties, never indexed the long term trauma to millions of kids, given life sentences.
I really appreciated a different perspective, especially this author's analysis regarding class within these alternative communities. I think it was too heavy on her specific point of view, more commentary than research. I will read the book and see if it's different but she does seem to assume her lived experience is truth, she said that people with surgeries are not beautiful 🤔, "I think we can all agree"... seems she had some blind spots within her research.
I also find her commentary ironic considering she has tats and her photo is clearly sexualized. Actual feminists like Sheila Jeffreys have talked in length about BDSM culture, self harm and male fetishism of the female body. One aspect of self harm/male fetishes is tattooing and it's origins in gay male BDSM culture.
@@KaliMaaaaa In the past, however, feminists are expected to be the ugly witches because women who think critically and exercise their intellect are not also supposed to be desirable. We are polarized by patriarchy. This woman is clearly playing up her natural appeal, and she's obviously intelligent and inquisitive. That's something, at least. She's also young, and most young women do enjoy a sense of power for having the ability to attract men in a society that is wholly worshipful of youthful appearance. At the beginning she does attest to how nature made women beautiful for a reason.
@@KaliMaaaaa tattoos originate in gay culture?? Wow, many African and Indigenous American communities would be astonished to hear that. Cultures that most likely pre-date "gay male BDSM culture"
The relationship circumstance reminds me of the book A World Out Of Time where the genders had little basis for relationship and therefore segregated based on gender.
My wife passed away recently but retained her beauty even when her body, motor functions began to fail. This was over nearly 20 years. Her hair, face was never touched by the Beauty Machine except she was obsessed by picking her hair cut keeping her natural colour. Her skin kept its smooth and tension. She was strong nature, determined and “soft as a pray”. She was in a wheelchair but got to hold her grandchildren.
Super interesting interview. So glad we have Chris Hedges. And thanks to Real News for providing a platform for such important conversations.
YES to that 😊
My vocabulary doubled listening to these experts. Amazing insight 👏. Thank you Chris. Please run for president.
Women should leave the thinking to other women.
He primaried with the Green Party if I remember correctly.
Excellent interview. Intelligent, compassionate, and wise. Thank you 🙏🏼
Camille Paglia agrees that our current sexual/gender imbroglio reflects end-of-empire malaise.
Wow! That was an amazing discussion to listen to. Thank you both for that experience and insight and reflection. 👏👏
Maybe the problem is rooted in commodity culture, i.e., finding a relationship has become like shopping for a thing, and if it isn't perfect you don't buy in. In a time when education has given people so little confidence in knowing anything worthwhile and in being able to share it, and as they're so buried in their empty phones, am not surprised that numbness and fear have outstripped erotic and emotional life.
Huzzah Capitalism!!!!!
I think narcissism is the greatest problem. You can't have a good relationship as a narcissist or with a narcissist. And capitalism made narcissism rapant.
@@Coromi1 Well that ties into the OP's comment because narcissists treat people like commodities...
Great observation!
The so called "Sexual Revolution" of the 60s was all about the commodification and commercialization of sex. Pornography was unleashed and all for profit at the expense of women and girls bodies. It has been marketed as "freeing" them when in actuality it did the exact opposite.
Great to see Chris back
I grew up in the 80's, this country is unrecognizable compared to then. It's amazing how fast it fell
See how ultra-conservative that sounds? This is what Mr. Hedges' moralism inevitably results in.
@@ronrice1931 exactly
@@ronrice1931 Self-preservation is not ultra-conservative
@@one-sidedrationalization1091 "Self-preservation" is not necessarily conservative; belief in a morally superior past from which we are fallen is.
@@ronrice1931 I kind of took what was said from a Protestant scholasticism lens, so I think they failed to clarify how the so-called “sexual revolution” still functions within that same framework, even though sex has become detached from procreation culturally. Which also means that our culture has become even more detached and distanced from nature itself. That’s not necessarily a good thing, especially if one cares about the broader interests of society, rather than catering to the anti-social small interests that seek to maximize their own returns at the expense of others. That’s just one way of looking at it, I understand your concern though, being sentimental about the past isn’t necessarily the best way to go about things either.
An amazing interview. Very informed and unprejudiced. Thank you so much Chris Hedges and Eurydice!
We been getting trrrorized since the beginning and it continues today.
I’m just floored by all the parallels, connections, and double-meanings she lays out one after another. Really fascinating and thought-provoking. Sad that this is the first time I’ve heard of her, but I’ll definitely be looking for more of her work
Changing what you are on the outside does not change the trauma inside.
Amazing, look forward to discussing this with Eurydice in person here in Miami.
Bad sex in movies is so prevalent now. Luckily I can fast forward.
Yes
Foreign films better, as always.
Better yet don't watch movies. I only watch a few anime series with few exceptions, as you get a lot more out of specific anime. It's that bad for live action series or movies these days. Yet in reality it pretty much always was to be honest. Reading is much better and most of the live action stuff is beyond dreadful these days especially. A lot of it is propaganda and brain draining nonsense.
Eurydice echoes a lot of what Byung-Chul Han says: We are destroying ourselves as servants to the system
I'm a 50 year old woman and this makes more sense to me than Ny of the therapy I've had. Thank you so much.
That's why our government decided to censor it.
There's a lack of numbers of adults around to provide guidance for our teenagers. No village, no tribe, no clan, no extended family. More folks with more skillsets are simply just NOT in close proximity for TOO many young people. This is HOW the group raised up the adolescent humans for 200k+ years. Helping them through pubescence, guiding them through the difficult, challenging, changing period of a young person's life. That's been unintentionally given up on, BUT is one very important key human activity that needs to be once again assigned value. BECAUSE, we humans do what is valued, get done what is given priority, and accomplish that which we "see" or realize as MOST important.
I totally agree. But I’d like to add a further overlooked point: it all starts with carer-infant relationship. The main carer needs to be essentially wrapped up in the relationship with the infant (and for several years) making care of the young child the centre of family life. Babies and children whose main carer is distracted by mobile phones or tablets becomes the adolescent and adult who craves the attention it didn’t get at the right time, thus developing disorders of the ego, distortions in self relating and in transactions with others. I’m astonished (not!) that in the 21st century we still do not teach child development and effective parenting skills at school.
Absolutely right. And children also instinctively copy the adults around them, not just rely on their verbal advice. Nowadays, young parents deliberately reject any guidance from their elders, any involvement beyond the basics--- such as giving praise and presents --- is seen as an attack on their parental authority. They in stead go online to seek advice from either 'experts' or, more often, from the young adults like them. Traditionally though, it was the grandmothers who raised the children, not the inexperienced young parents. In ALL the human societies, the continuity between a living generation and their ancestors was given the most priority because this is how any human community reproduces itself. The western people are living through an unprecedented break between the generations, we are not able to reproduce ourselves and are all left to struggle on our own. The fact that our youngsters cannot even 'mate' properly is yet another sign of this deep malaise.
Definitely. Mothers leaving the home to work outside it, while allowing them to have financial strength has deprived the next generation of their stable root.
It's not valuable under capitalism and slaves or serfs nor cattle have any need for it according to so called experts duh!
She is telling things in a blunt way, about how twisted society has become. Seeking something that is not possible and imagining it is real. We are on a path to destruction.
Would you say that these have become symptoms of financialisation, which puts wealth and power above all.
I think so 🤔
Exactly.
Excellent interview, very thoughtful.
Never thought I would hear Cris use the phrase sexting lol
The fewer humans born in America, the more leverage future workers have against exploitation, wage theft and Bezosification. If you want future generations to have a chance at a life where they are not treated like chattel slaves, have fewer of them.
No because they'll just import labor from the 3rd world. It's not speculation. That's what's been going on for roughly 40 years now. It's why our ruling class doesn't have to worry about workers being unable to afford children.
Intelligent thoughtful wise empathetic ppl stop having kids.
Dumb traumatized spiritually bankrupt clowns procreate like rabbits.
....Ever seen idiocracy?
This is precisely what happened in post black plague medieval Europe,
In 1982 there was 100 million less people in The U.S. That's 30% more people you either gotta compete with in the workforce or support through taxes since your parents were younger adults... It's getting worse and worse by the day with the border crisis as well.
Why do you think they're outlawing abortion?
Changing what you are on the outside does not change the trauma inside.
exactly.
I agree. The "phenomenon" of cross-dressing, middle-aged, upper-middle income and above men is, I think, rather easily explained. They are repressed homosexual men who came of age during the first twenty or so years of the HIV-AIDS crisis when no treatment was available. They married, had families, climbed the career ladder and are among the chief beneficiaries of a forty year bull market in equities. Entering or approaching late middle-age, they now feel less insecure about expressing their sexuality given their current social and financial status. Whether or not their spouses know, they are no doubt now less inhibited due to the deaths of their elder family members, their children being well into adulthood, and the currently prevailing positive social attitudes towards transgender behaviour. When you win at the card table, you do what you want with your winnings.
Thank you Chris for in-depth interviews across many topics.
Yes, hubris. Good luck with encouraging an American to understand the concept.
LOL! (So many Americans seem so literal-minded... )
How peculiar that Eurydice is truly a sexual revolutionary by harkening back to the natural order of honest sexual relations. Also her writing is poignantly descriptive set to the tempo of a poetic cadence. Extremely captivating.
Yeah i too think she's fine af.
What are referring to as the natural order of sexual relations"? I hope you aren’t under the illusion that we were forming lifelong monogamous relationships at the origin of our species
How can anything be honest when it is illegal. relations between races ILLEGAL, relations between the same genitals ILLEGAL, relations before marriage ILLEGAL, relations with more than two people ILLEGAL.
@@therealsideburnz Plenty of species out there in the wild forming monogamous relationships,why not humans?
Men would quite literally destroy civilization before polyamory could become widespread. The reason it was originally created was to foster social harmony (so a ruling class could be on top).
We’d have to go back to Hunter gatherers to not have institutionalized monogamy.
Finally someone that made Chris smile!!!
Wonderful interview
She is on point!
Thank you!
A great open complex conversation from Chris Hedges and Eve Eurydice. Thank you. Beauty is on the inside, no matter who or what one is. As for the choice to attain it on the outside it is, rather a cultural psyche of our soul. Thank you.❤️
Thank you for this thoughtful, intelligent conversation..
Chris Hedges is one of the people I admire most He knows everything about derailed society and one feels his basic kindness and humanity behind his vehement attacks. I rarely disagree with him but I do on one subject. He utterly condemns pornography and I don't.
This does not mean I am a particularly a fan of pornography but I disagree with him..I find it too fixated on the genitals and continuous boring pumping with a reduction of eroticism; almost puritan from that point of view, almost desexualised. When I have heard Hedges speak about this subject he condemns it absolutely and sees it as a commercialised violation and rape of women. This is not true and many women thoroughly being in such films. Nature calls as well as commerce, or together with it. There is not one of us in whom socialised and commercialised patterns are not deeply embedded. I have quite often heard women say they are attracted to powerful men such as politicians. Some middle class women are attracted to working class men, and so on. Homosexuality, which Hedges defends, arrives form such patterns.
Pornography is a valid protest against puritanism; in fact they are two sides of the same coin Of the two I prefer pornography. In a more civilized society they would be so blended into one another that nothing of either would remain as a separate entity, as in what I have read about Ancient Hawaii,They did not need pornography as something like it was happening all the time. People had sex in front of each other of their children.
Marriage was not a fixed institution or prison from which people in our societies are continually escaping. One Hawaiian woman told a missionary that she had had 40 affairs outside her marriage. Unperturbed. Children did not need the protection of a family as all their elders were their family. Nor did unplanned babies of young girls.
Blessed are those who can remain in one couple all their lives but they are exceptions. Marriage is not sacred as I heard one person in the interview say. It is the restrictions that lead so-called illicitness. to havoc and pornography acrimonious divorces and lethal, damaging battles for the custody of children and property.
Can mention the source were you read about Hawaiian tribes ?
Great interview!
Fallacies: 0
Phallus-cies: 1
More hedges please 👍
THANK YOU, CHRIS! Excellent, highly valuable information and clarification regarding the topic.🙏 I admire your concentration and focus on delivering a top quality interview with Ms. Eurydice (you definitely succeeded!) that her quick, clever and subtle yet poignant word play, "Falacy with a 'ph'😉" ("PHalacy"😂) slipped by.
Thank you for ALL your contributions, insights and evidence based wisdom, kind, committed, heroic gentleman Hedges.🙏🏆💡👏
Celibacy was actually initially practiced (in Christianity) by monks. Not all priests. It was part of living in community practicing contemplative prayer. Celibacy was also practiced in most communities of Buddhist monks, for similar reasons. The Catholic church did not require it of all priests until around 1000 ad. She correctly states the reasoning. But doesn't seem to understand the monastic history. My guess is that Chris would know this.
“No one knows what is true, no one knows how to find peace, no one knows how to find communion or community”
*some people do*
I think we’ve come to a crisis of the value of our culture. No one really know these things without having been under the pressure for them to come to being. We now have to learn to create societies that aren’t formed out of need, but want.
@@علي-ش7ث8ب Yes. More than don't, I believe.
And who exactly are you quoting?
Probably they're silenced for some reason benefiting their self power pleasures!?
IMO - "Seperating sex from Procreation" and from Mind-Over-Body thinking is a GOOD thing.- BUT - Separating sex from MUTUAL RESPECT and PRIVACY is NOT a good thing... AS is TOO Often the case in the evolution of societies, the pendulum swings from One-Extreme-To-The-Other...!!!
-70SomethingGuy StayWell Everyone : )
Michael A. Aquino, Colonel, Psychological Operations, U.S. Army (Ret.). look up what books the man wrote for you will not believe me if I tell you!
After the debacle in Korea and Vietnam, the Pentagon spent a lot of money for research how to make the population of occupied territory become passive and obedient..... ONE PART of the solution is to DESTROY SOCIAL SOCIETY STRUCTURES like couple dynamics and family... AND NOW, THINK about this and look around you!
Amazed that she completely ignored how wounded these people are. She’s simply examining this as though these twisted forms of sexuality come out of a vacuum. For example, cutting isn’t about the slowing down the mind. It’s an attempt to mask extreme emotional pain.
Which releases the feel good chemicals
@@roberthornack1692 ....which in turn suppress cortisol, adrenaline and norepinephrin excretion, which SLOWS the limbic reactions that create anxiety, depression and impulsive thought.
She’s spent years researching this Chuck give her some credit. Why only point out your negative opinion of one aspect you don’t like?
Also she only has so much time to explain things on this show. Have you read her book?
I think the underlying premise of the discussion (And a consistent Chris Hedges' theme) is how wounded we all are, in different ways, as we make our way in this this decadent, decaying, imperial culture.
Amazing expose, highly compassionate take on this phenomenon and very sad indeed
So cogent and true. Thank you.
This is the quality of article that once upon a time was found in the well edited prose of higher tier publications.
We're lucky to have this. YT has waged war on Mr. Hedges, of course. Perhaps a decade of his work was ''disappeared''.
Great introductory sentence. It is hard living out here in suburbia and feeling these things might be true but then questioning reality.
Who knows what goes on three doors down?
Great work guys thank you.
Thanks to Eurydice for making the connection of fall of empires with the state of sex in those societies.
I would highly recommend Capitalism Hits Home with Dr. Harriet Fraad (youtube)
She is on this wavelength.
@@tsumacity Thank you!
American expats who export US toxic hook-up culture & serial dating via Tinder & "Game" often fall victim to scam-artist overseas.
Great interview and topic! Thank you Mr Hedges, TRNN and Ms Eve.
I read her book....such an eye opener! Thanks for having her on.
That was pretty damn good, thanks.
We're definitely in the latter half of the Roman empire. - enjoy the show!
That's stupid.
Does it occur to either of these people that the motive behind acquiring money is the same as the motive behind irresponsible sex, a corrupt, antisocial motive by any reckoning. People who have enough and want more should be viewed as psychopathic, as enemies of civilized society. We should revile and repudiate rich people, with our harshest contempt saved for the richest of them.
Chris often says that pornography is something that is a big concern to him I would love to see him write a book on pornography and with at least part of it focusing on how a person's relationship with pornography is affected by a person's affluence class capitalism entitlement Etc
He talks about this at some length in one or two chapters of his book, America: The Farewell Tour.
@@nancyroberts1668 thanks I will check that out
Dr. Gail Dines has researched that exact thing and has written that book. I believe the name of it is Pornland. She describes how our entire culture has been pornified
@@janelliot5643 thanks for the suggestion I'll have to check that out
@@dlwseattle and in his book, Empire of Illusion.
The "phenomenon" of cross-dressing, middle-aged, upper-middle income and above men is, I think, rather easily explained. They are repressed homosexual men who came of age during the first twenty or so years of the HIV-AIDS crisis when no treatment was available. They married, had families, climbed the career ladder and are among the chief beneficiaries of a forty year bull market in equities. Entering or approaching late middle-age, they now feel less insecure about expressing their sexuality given their current social and financial status. Whether or not their spouses know, they are no doubt now less inhibited due to the deaths of their elder family members, their children being well into adulthood, and the currently prevailing positive, post-modernist attitudes towards transgender behaviour. When you win at the card table, you do what you want with your winnings, and they've been big winners in history's largest and richest casino.
You have no idea about crossdressing or trans people. It’s very different than being gay. You use nice big words but have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
This is what ug krishnamurthi had been saying and I'm glad she reached the same conclusion in her studies. Great interview. Her outlook of climate crisis being ultimately tied to sexuality is quite correct.
Chris, you forgot to thank Eurydice at the end of the interview🙄
This is a highly thought-provoking and profound discussion on rarely looked at aspects of sex trends as cultural expression and its power to distance humans from their intrinsic nature.
I’m very grateful to have had the opportunity to expand my understanding of what times we are living in 🙏😒
What a fascinating discussion! Thanks.
Eurydice has some interesting ideas, but her thinking is not very clear. She would benefit by learning about radical feminism and its crystal clear critiques of patriarchy, male sexuality, transgenderism, porn/prostitution, and "beauty". I recommend Sheila Jeffries, Dr. Gail Dines, and Andrea Dworkin.
It's the language barrier.
This lady is brilliant in how she is able to connect her research to a broader societal phenomenon.
All while knowing, and basing the argument on, literally nothing.
I adore her candor, hilarious biting wit, timely insight, deep language dive. Forget 💯... 3000%!
We need Eurydicee for president.
Excellent discussion; important topics…
So positive solutions for more unity
Great Broadcast! Thanks for bringing these [hidden] behaviors to the forum! Keep up the great work. Thank goodness for alternative media!
Mr. Hedges bringing us things that actually matter. Thank you.
True. But occasionally he also brings us this.
"The more we fight our nature, the more we become diseased"👍🏼
@@anthonybatissa1417 What do you think it means?
😆 You're correct about my age. I am over 70 years old. You're wrong about the cats. My pet is a very virile man and we have a loving relationship and lots of sex!😁 I don't try to fight my nature.
@@anthonybatissa1417 Well... Sex isn't love. Without a loving relationship of respect, compassion, friendship, sharing, etc., sex is meaningless. May as well masturbate.
*It's pretty simple... as the RICH GOT RICHER our Democracy became Weaker!*
*"Deposit Money FOR JUSTICE - though."*
Why are Google's "Artificial Idiocy" bots auto-deleting relevant comments discussing the very issues of this interview?
Perhaps Google and TH-cam need to be de-platformed?
Chris exposing the elite in the evil empire !
Brilliant individual.
Fascinating.
"It is easier for a 🐪 to pass through the 👁️ of a needle, than the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." - Bible.
"The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You." - Bible.
"Know Thyself." - Socrates.
The greed & psychopathy of unbridled patriarchy is not self-effacing & will be the death of us all!
“Humans reduced to commodities”: people are getting out of jail early by donating organs to rich people who want them . This is 2023.
No Ones Even Writing Love Songs Anymore...
I wonder if her research was too limited to wealthy people. I am mostly familiar trans folk. The trans people I know are not wealthy people at all, nor are they middle aged men. Either her research is too limited, or her research was more narrowly focused than the interview brings out. I am disappointed in Chris’s questioning. I will check out her book.
Please don't pay her for peddling this crap.
Yes. She is speaking on affluent ppl and not the trans community at all. In fact she only said that she commends them for breaking down the patriarchy.
Trans? She never even mentioned trans people did she?
@@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE Fred would have rejected her new age, postmodern bullshit.
@@dannyneville1310 you don't know a damn thing about Fred Hampton. Chill
“I’m goi g to talk about ‘post gender’ and how we are now such modern humans but then be bamboozled by what I see is happening to society”
Lol this was different from your usual interviews in a certain way Mr. Hedges. Something about sex always makes it funny and kind of uncomfortable to talk about. I'm glad you did this interview, great job sir lol
Send Julian Assange home for Christmas. It's the Christian thing to do. He exposed war crimes as all true Christian's should.
Chris went through a lot in his life seeing all the suffering and the death. Patience to focus on the negatives and that's fine because that's what impacted his life growing up. For me shining a light on darkness is turning to the positive and natural. Being in the moment enjoying the music the body movements the flow of breathing and nature. If I keep focusing on the negative my level of joy and happiness drops considerably.
Excellent!
Great show ! Thank you🙂.
Would it be possible to do a follow up to include the Franklin Scandal?
(see Nick Bryant's book)
im getting this book. thank you mr hedges, and eurydice
Please don't support this clueless woman's "theories."
I didn't realize listening this was about a 20+ year old book, with some rather harshly mixed reviews, for good apparent reasons. One highly ranked review advises that anyone with serious alt communities experience likely knows more than this book discusses, and may find it an excercise in fathoming the biases of the author.
The interview seems to hit a few interesting issues, but to really cherry pick and skip other contexts. Among other issues, fet scene tends to require being part of community to have access, while places she mentioned like The Vault were known as "touristy".
First, the Con Edison has failed to prove that Butler’s non-criminal consumption of a legal substance rose to the level of abuse or that Butler’s consumption of alcohol adversely affected his job performance or the public’s trust (whatever that is). Moreover, the only consequence of off-duty chemical substance abuse is that the employee will be sent for a JFE. Here, Butler was sent for a JFE on December 16, 2014 tested negative for drugs and alcohol.
On December 13, 2014, Butler was purported observed by Officer Brito moving from the driver’s seat to the passenger seat a couple of hundred yards from the DWI checkpoint. Officer Brito did not testify that Butler was driving erratically or displayed other indicia of someone that was driving while impaired. The Union concedes that Officer Brito’s assumption that Butler’s actions were to avoid being identified as either a driver who had been drinking or a driver who might not have had a valid license is reasonable. It is also reasonable for Officer Brito to assume that if he could see Butler then Butler could see him. That assumption is not reasonable.
Officer Brito also demonstrated his expertise and training in many facets of alcohol and drug testing but the only verified test result was the breathalyzer results. This is important because clearly Brito had an animus against Butler. Brito testified that Butler was quietly being difficult and when Brito was asked why he issued Butler a summons for refusing to test AFTER he submitted to a breathalyzer test Brito testified that Butler was walking out of the police station with a summons regardless. Butler was issued a summons that was so patently meritless that the Westchester District Attorney’s office did not even submit opposition to Butler’s motion to dismiss. (Union Exhibit “2“)
The Union submits that Brito’s testimony is troubling. A police officer charged with upholding the law and who described himself as an expert in the observation of behavior under the influence of drugs and alcohol and who is also charged with knowledge of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law issued a summons that (based on his expertise) he had to know was invalid Brito practically admitted that since Butler gave him a hard time and wasted his time that night (because he did not engage in criminal conduct), he was going to give Butler a hard time. That hard time translated into the issuance of an invalid summons that forced Butler to retain counsel and utterly wasted the time of the Court that dismissed the summons that the Westchester County determined unworthy of opposition.
Most tribal cultures have an understanding of stages of life , alternative approaches , and accept many variations of body interpretations . Some cultures do not expect women to be attractive , some , like peacocks , adorn the masculine , not the females . So what needs to be looked at is the Simplication applied to our society in 1930 , the simplicating of our life experience , male female black white rich poor , that allowed people like Hitler to dominate peoples psyche . To truly understand this one must understand the nature of OXYTOCIN , which is not a bonding hormone, it is a hormone of forgetting , which brings us back to base . All extreme escalations of sensation , be it sex organs , body pain , or sky diving , will bring forth an oxytocin rush . That includes the extreme of experience of being countercultural , or un natural . Until the nature of oxytocin is understood scientifically, as well as dopamine , we are going to be easily manipulated . First limit options , simplication , then tweak this simplified experience, create oxytocin , forget . go back again . You can talk into the imagery , but it is all spiraling increase of sensation , be it pleasure or pain , which stimulates the release of oxytocin . Please feel free to contact me about this information .
The male and female brain are the same. Perhaphs you need to understand Patriarchy and all the "cultures" you are mentioning just happen to be PATRIARCHAL.
@@KaliMaaaaa to say that the male and female brain are the same IS simplication . The entire system contains a differential . King is in his counting house counting all his money , and the queen is in the parlor , eating bread and honey . The female is about interaction , and the male is about quantification . Need we say more ? IF you feel we do , keep commenting . I am ok to continue .
Must be a fantastic book!
Christopher!... Stop this woman!
For what?
C1A AGENDA
Supreme Court ruled against abortion but not a word about pornography which degrades women, poor, vulnerable.
No, no it doesn't degrade us at all. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. The sexual harassment in that industry is pretty bad and it's pretty unregulated, so we'd like fixing that, but none of us are gonna stop selling our bodies just cause you're feelings are hurt by it. Get over it.
Perhaps we should outlaw masturbation while we're at it.
@@desireegerber It's not the same for everyone, as I'm sure you must know
@@desireegerber I don't watch "straight" porn because it's just abusive and boring.
Stating tropes as fact does not make it so. It's not pornography but capitalism that degrades those groups (who make up the vast majority.)
This is the topic that no one talks about or really even notices it, very subtle.
Can’t afford the money to date.
Interesting - thank you.
Just started listening, and I'm really hoping this isn't people othering and piling on trans people due to ignorance and "the argument from icky." Edit after listening: Well, I was disappointed in so many ways. Why do people feel qualified to talk about such matters because "well I've had sex, and I know what I like, and that's just gross?" I knew that Chris's Achilles' heel is his parochial view of sexuality. But letting this pseudo-intellectual ramble on about subjects she knows almost nothing about, referencing Freud (Freud!), conflating drag queens with trans women, and judging s&m kink because it makes her feel funny (versus the flagellants, cuz they're "spiritual) without even questioning, let alone pushback, is a huge mistake. Going to a few bars and talking to a couple of drag queens (did she actually talk to them?) is not research and the many factual errors implied by her words show that she has barely begun to understand the phenomena she judges. These things confuse this lady's very particular world view and she, understandably, feels threatened by it in her bubble. If she actually spoke to the people she judges, read what doctors and biologists think about "the natural state" of things (assuming she is intellectually honest) she could not maintain this point of view. Please don't promote terrible, unsubstantiated and indefensible arguments.
Agreed
She is speaking on observations she had watching AFFLUENT ppl comodisizing sex. Of course she isn't an expert. Also she didn't disparage trans ppl. She said she commends them for being in the forefront of breaking down the patriarchy.
No action in 3 years..and I'm constantly told I'm a great guy?!
I agree with you being on the side of nature. I try to always put myself on the side of nature. Some of my best decisions are based in an evaluation of whether a thing is natural or not.
If it occurs on this Earth or in this universe, it is natural. There is no evidence for the kind of "unnatural" that your post suggest you are considering.
@@Mike_Jones281
Nah............
@@compassioncampaigner728 Yes. That is why you can only say no, yet you can not name one thing that is unnatural.
Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it
Maybe during this strange and flexible time we can forge a new healthier human sociosexual framework. (One free from repression, domination, hate etc.) We also need to learn to find *trust* again.
Given Chris's background, it would have been interesting to see if Eve were capable of delving into how contrary to sick kids engaging in intense scenes for sick reasons, some of the heaviest blood sports folk I ever knew used it to balance and mitigate long term trauma from POW torture experiences in countries near Nam, where they never were, as if our black ops gone South squads had ever been there it would have meant the USA did war crimes we never did, as we're us, and they're them.
Congressional budget reports, or Walter Cronkite on daily casualties, never indexed the long term trauma to millions of kids, given life sentences.
Every action there’s a reaction
Chris , as a benediction initiated, i salute U. THIS has gone on in monasticism history!
Very interesting 👌
I really appreciated a different perspective, especially this author's analysis regarding class within these alternative communities. I think it was too heavy on her specific point of view, more commentary than research. I will read the book and see if it's different but she does seem to assume her lived experience is truth, she said that people with surgeries are not beautiful 🤔, "I think we can all agree"... seems she had some blind spots within her research.
Madonna looked crazy. She needs to get over herself. She's a malignant narcissist desperate to do anything to be relevant
I also find her commentary ironic considering she has tats and her photo is clearly sexualized. Actual feminists like Sheila Jeffreys have talked in length about BDSM culture, self harm and male fetishism of the female body. One aspect of self harm/male fetishes is tattooing and it's origins in gay male BDSM culture.
@@KaliMaaaaa In the past, however, feminists are expected to be the ugly witches because women who think critically and exercise their intellect are not also supposed to be desirable. We are polarized by patriarchy. This woman is clearly playing up her natural appeal, and she's obviously intelligent and inquisitive. That's something, at least. She's also young, and most young women do enjoy a sense of power for having the ability to attract men in a society that is wholly worshipful of youthful appearance. At the beginning she does attest to how nature made women beautiful for a reason.
@@KaliMaaaaa tattoos originate in gay culture?? Wow, many African and Indigenous American communities would be astonished to hear that. Cultures that most likely pre-date "gay male BDSM culture"
The relationship circumstance reminds me of the book A World Out Of Time where the genders had little basis for relationship and therefore segregated based on gender.
Chris hedge IS BRILLIANT!😊
My wife passed away recently but retained her beauty even when her body, motor functions began to fail. This was over nearly 20 years. Her hair, face was never touched by the Beauty Machine except she was obsessed by picking her hair cut keeping her natural colour. Her skin kept its smooth and tension. She was strong nature, determined and “soft as a pray”. She was in a wheelchair but got to hold her grandchildren.
Eurydice. I love that name. Right out of Greek mythology. Get a vasectomy. I did. It's cool