More info & pricing: www.indiegogo.com/projects/morefine-m6-ultra-thin-pocket-size-4k-mini-pc#/ 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Unboxing 01:16 - Build, design, and ports 03:57 - Bios setting available 04:32 - Windows 11 Pro and devices 06:11 - Geekbench 5, RAM and SSD speeds 07:30 - General performance with Chrome and 4k playback tests 11:37 - Gaming performance with CSGO 12:44 - Thermals and fan noise 13:31 - Final thoughts with Pros and Cons
It'd be nice to see some other OS on this, particularly the "lite" Windows releases. People will hardly need every part of Windows for what they'll be doing with what is essentially a TV box.
Recently i have been struggling and looking into native decoding of vp9 and av1 on linux on my old haswell Pentium dual core pc. Was looking for a low end chip to do exactly this. Video playback and good enough browsing experience. Thanks for this kinda thorough review of devices. You are the best in the game. 🍻
Yes I was using Raspberry PI btu they are too slow and video performance is terrible HEVC or VP9 is a choppy mess. At least these Intel chips handle video really well! Especially these 10W ones.
I hope so too! Looking forward to reviewing those but for now I have a Ryzen 9 5900 model to review, and some 11th gen Intel ones. Plus an older 8259U 8th gen I got from companies. So a lot of mini PC reviews to come, just not the new RDNA 2 power ones they will come end of the year.
@@Techtablets still awesome. I love the mini PCs videos, too bad they aren't so popular so we don't get a lot of options right now, but maybe things will change in the future.
Just as an aside, they've lowered the fan speed RPM by 22% to minimize the noise while keeping the M6 efficient - this is based on the feedback in videos like yours. Should be a less noisy.
The form factor and design on this, mini pc is next level. Although it's performance is just adequate, but it's, still great for light general work. Very nice 👍👍Chris
Love the form factor, port selection, storage upgrade option and the overall performance for a general media playback and browsing and office work pc. Just wish to have it dual channel ram and CPU power tweak option, considering that it has a pretty big fan for the type of CPU. Hope they can release a bios update to unlock the CPU power control and a fan control option so that user has the option to get more performance with higher fan speed, if user is okay. Can you please check the Linux support on this?
A monitor with a USB C input should be used instead since the miniPC has the USB-C video output, would hope someone else will put up a proper video to demonstrate it, instead of all the mumbo jumbo here.
Lack of dual channel RAM is an instant No No as far as a prospective purchase would be concerned. Otherwise, specs are good and the storage and I/O ports are good for expansion.
You have excellent content with perfectly-polished production value both audio and video. Thank you. 1:33 --- thank you for the fan sound/noise information. 6:23 --- thank you for info on RAM speed not being at fulsome 2933. 6:33 --- single channel, too bad. 16:10 --- Hmmm, quite intriguing. I would assume that 16GB RAM would stay in single channel. Wouldn't a slightly modified PCB-mobo be needed for dual channel? I am guessing that the cooling fan is not obscuring an unused mount point for a second RAM channel as the PCB-mobo is quite compact. WITH THAT ALL BEING SAID, with the operating system indicating, for example, at 6:33: **"SLOTS USED: [only] 1 OF 2,"** could the O/S also be enumerating the potential physical states, i.e. that there are two physical slots available to become populated?
q1. How come device makers like this wouldn't make the usb-c port able to support pd [ power delivery ] as well so that you attached this to back of modern thunderbolt port enabled monitor and with single usb-c cable serve power to device, video output to display, and establish connection to usb hub built into monitor? q2. Can the vesa mount be used when the monitors stand that it ships with is already using up that space, e.g. as in the case of all dell + lenovo + lenovo monitors? q3. Will you be doing a comparison of this with the gmktec nucbox5 powered by same celeron n5105 apu?
According to a comment on the Indiegogo campain discussion, you can set the fan speed at least. Thanks for the nice review! I did miss the power consumption figures though, I'd like to use this as a small server, which will stay on 24/24 and thus idle power consumption is important to me.
The mele quieter 2 also supports gen3 x4 SSD DRIVES but when used with GPUs it is stuck at gen2 x2. Does anybody know if this one supports GPUs at gen3 x4 ? I'd LOVE to know more before acquiring one. First hand experience would be great news.
@@Techtablets Thank you so much! Than I need a mini PC with a Ryzen 5 I think (I know that my BIG desktop pc can run it with a Ryzen 5, but I don't like the size of it)! I want a small mini pc
This would make a great NAS machine. You can get a m.2 to SATA adapter with 5 satat ports and drive 5 HDD, but you'll need a bit more power to dive the drivers. The Pico Power supply would work great 👍🏾. I'd definitely do that and run Linux on this. Or you can run a graphic card on that M.2 port and do some decent gaming.
overall its great small portable PC, but the only question is why the company uses ssd size, M.2 Type-2242 instead of M.2 Type-2280 ? is. Is it due to the motherboard design ?
6:00 crazy low performance. a snapdragon 845 is as fast so a Samsung DEX could match this setup. maybe a good machine as thin client or niche OS like Chrome OS or Linux.
i would prefer the manufacturer come out the laptop size with GPU , but without screen version , and without screen , keyboard and trackpad version . external power button , vertical stand , built in battery , bigger heatsink and big fans for low noise gaming experince.
I cannot find the Morefine M6 for sale anywhere including the Morefines web site. Does anyone know if the TopTon M6 which has the same specifications is as good as the Morefine M6 that TechTablets reviewed in this video?
It's really good that they've added that fan. I've seen these chips with passive cooling and you really don't get enough out of the chip to make things interesting, due the lower voltage to the chip, so they can keep it cool.
Good review as always. Just want to add that these Celeron n5105 now support HDR playback as opposed to previous generation like j4125! I tested this on my new zx01 mini pc bought recently from Aliexpress.
You don't need to; I have had this unit for 3 months and the fan noise is almost undetectable; the manufacturers may have fixed this problem already. Mine is great no fan noise.
@@Techtablets It should definitely be possible by downclocking either only the GPU clock or both CPU&GPU clocks in order to lower power usage. Like I said, I expect next gen to use Xe.
@@Techtablets @TechTablets yea, sorry for disturbing, just weird why it sais TPS there, not FPS... thanks for the video, not much data on this CPU (at least on this exact one)
The design of this unit is really, really nice and well thought. You even have ethernet, on the other video i probably saw that you can even power it from some power bank ;p Yeah, sure, the question is: do you really need something this tiny ? - for similar price you may get (on sale) some Ryzen miniPc from minisforum, which is yea, bigger but on the other hand, performance is so much better, as well as cooling etc. (but wattage consumption is also bigger, which may be important if you want to have something that works ie. 24 h / d :) ) Still, if you look for something of the size similar to Raspberry PI case, then I would say, this is truly great, and actually nicely priced. I mean, all of these 4125, n4100 tiny/miniPCs are now only slightly cheaper than this.
Is the topton one a clone? This is interesting, I wonder if they managed the aperently innovative task of basic voltage controlled fan speeds, or better yet pwm considering this is a mobile SoC is designed with a passive coolable power envelope, why would you slap a 12v fan at 100% constant onto something so small that a full speed not small fan would be clearly audible if not slightly whiney to the user, this is a tragic desin decision...just saying...Iv ordered a topton one now that I know it's a clone I will do a full teardown of this and look for any indication that there is more than just the vcc and ground conductors to the fan as this would indicate the possibility that this clone actualy has some fan speed control, I think if not I'm just going to solder in a low ohm resistor(diy low noise adapter like noctuas) as I'm planning on running this as only a basic samba server to take advantage of usb 3.1 hdd speeds spindown features that are an advantage over serial ata on a server and the 2.5gbe i225 ethernet will alow me to take full advantage of the max R/W speeds of a multi drive hdd bay and I will be able to power this from the same overkill psu I have put together for that bay...perhaps if this has no fan control I will just integrate this entire unit into the hdd enclosure and utilize its airflow as it's a bit overkill as a commercial enclosure that I built the system into lol...
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More info & pricing: www.indiegogo.com/projects/morefine-m6-ultra-thin-pocket-size-4k-mini-pc#/
00:00 - Intro
00:45 - Unboxing
01:16 - Build, design, and ports
03:57 - Bios setting available
04:32 - Windows 11 Pro and devices
06:11 - Geekbench 5, RAM and SSD speeds
07:30 - General performance with Chrome and 4k playback tests
11:37 - Gaming performance with CSGO
12:44 - Thermals and fan noise
13:31 - Final thoughts with Pros and Cons
Any thoughts on the lenovo tab p12 Pro, will you compare it to the s8 plus when it comes out?
It'd be nice to see some other OS on this, particularly the "lite" Windows releases. People will hardly need every part of Windows for what they'll be doing with what is essentially a TV box.
Recently i have been struggling and looking into native decoding of vp9 and av1 on linux on my old haswell Pentium dual core pc. Was looking for a low end chip to do exactly this. Video playback and good enough browsing experience. Thanks for this kinda thorough review of devices. You are the best in the game. 🍻
Yes I was using Raspberry PI btu they are too slow and video performance is terrible HEVC or VP9 is a choppy mess. At least these Intel chips handle video really well! Especially these 10W ones.
late reply but just upgrade it with an i5 or something if the cpu is socketed
I am excited for the new AMD processors with RDNA 2. I think they will be awesome in those mini PCs. Let's hope we see some models this year.
I hope so too! Looking forward to reviewing those but for now I have a Ryzen 9 5900 model to review, and some 11th gen Intel ones. Plus an older 8259U 8th gen I got from companies. So a lot of mini PC reviews to come, just not the new RDNA 2 power ones they will come end of the year.
@@Techtablets still awesome. I love the mini PCs videos, too bad they aren't so popular so we don't get a lot of options right now, but maybe things will change in the future.
Just as an aside, they've lowered the fan speed RPM by 22% to minimize the noise while keeping the M6 efficient - this is based on the feedback in videos like yours. Should be a less noisy.
Mine definitely is almost noiseless so I reckon the noisy fan problem has been fixed
The form factor and design on this, mini pc is next level. Although it's performance is just adequate, but it's, still great for light general work.
Very nice 👍👍Chris
Couldn't agree more!
Love the form factor, port selection, storage upgrade option and the overall performance for a general media playback and browsing and office work pc. Just wish to have it dual channel ram and CPU power tweak option, considering that it has a pretty big fan for the type of CPU. Hope they can release a bios update to unlock the CPU power control and a fan control option so that user has the option to get more performance with higher fan speed, if user is okay.
Can you please check the Linux support on this?
A monitor with a USB C input should be used instead since the miniPC has the USB-C video output, would hope someone else will put up a proper video to demonstrate it, instead of all the mumbo jumbo here.
Lack of dual channel RAM is an instant No No as far as a prospective purchase would be concerned.
Otherwise, specs are good and the storage and I/O ports are good for expansion.
I wonder why the results are in spanish, tho...
He lives in Spain. Catalonia, I think.
What's your ambient temperature? My workspace doesn't have AC, so I wonder would it thermal throttling if I use it in a room without AC.
Winter here now and about 20 degrees ambient. If it is a warm room I could see it throttling then if there isn't much cooling.
Will this run Photoshop? And does it come with Windows 11 loaded at no additional cost?
You have excellent content with perfectly-polished production value both audio and video. Thank you.
1:33 --- thank you for the fan sound/noise information.
6:23 --- thank you for info on RAM speed not being at fulsome 2933.
6:33 --- single channel, too bad.
16:10 --- Hmmm, quite intriguing. I would assume that 16GB RAM would stay in single channel. Wouldn't a slightly modified PCB-mobo be needed for dual channel? I am guessing that the cooling fan is not obscuring an unused mount point for a second RAM channel as the PCB-mobo is quite compact. WITH THAT ALL BEING SAID, with the operating system indicating, for example, at 6:33: **"SLOTS USED: [only] 1 OF 2,"** could the O/S also be enumerating the potential physical states, i.e. that there are two physical slots available to become populated?
q1. How come device makers like this wouldn't make the usb-c port able to support pd [ power delivery ] as well so that you attached this to back of modern thunderbolt port enabled monitor and with single usb-c cable serve power to device, video output to display, and establish connection to usb hub built into monitor?
q2. Can the vesa mount be used when the monitors stand that it ships with is already using up that space, e.g. as in the case of all dell + lenovo + lenovo monitors?
q3. Will you be doing a comparison of this with the gmktec nucbox5 powered by same celeron n5105 apu?
According to a comment on the Indiegogo campain discussion, you can set the fan speed at least. Thanks for the nice review! I did miss the power consumption figures though, I'd like to use this as a small server, which will stay on 24/24 and thus idle power consumption is important to me.
hello nvme speed test wrıte read speed
Would this be good for emulation? Has anyone tried emulating video game consoles?
These mini-PCs are fast enough today that you really don't need anything more if aren't doing gaming or anything too CPU intensive.
Awesome review as always Chris Sir
Thanks for watching! You're awesome!
The formfactor / design reminds me of a VHS tape from my childhood. 😄
they ruined this device with going single channel ram, the igpu benefits greatly from dual channel ram.
Hello
Does it work with matlab software very fast?
Thank you
what about using this for home theater duties? what audio codec does it have? 7.1 ch sound? HD audio passthrough? etc
I have the same question, does it support smooth HDR playback via VLC and/or KODI?
Not bad at all
The mele quieter 2 also supports gen3 x4 SSD DRIVES but when used with GPUs it is stuck at gen2 x2.
Does anybody know if this one supports GPUs at gen3 x4 ?
I'd LOVE to know more before acquiring one. First hand experience would be great news.
Is Valorant runs fine? and CSgo? I saw it on your screen 😜
Very laggy!
@@Techtablets Thank you so much! Than I need a mini PC with a Ryzen 5 I think (I know that my BIG desktop pc can run it with a Ryzen 5, but I don't like the size of it)! I want a small mini pc
Can you edit a simple 1080p movie? Or stream your nintendo switch gameplay via this morefine M6 mini pc? 😎🙏 I hope so.
@@Techtablets also laggy at 1080p? Its playable like what I saw in the vid. 😃👍
Mele quieter q3 almost same specs and fanless , windows 11 currently $343 Australia Dollars on Amazon, ($240 us dollars)
This would make a great NAS machine. You can get a m.2 to SATA adapter with 5 satat ports and drive 5 HDD, but you'll need a bit more power to dive the drivers. The Pico Power supply would work great 👍🏾. I'd definitely do that and run Linux on this.
Or you can run a graphic card on that M.2 port and do some decent gaming.
overall its great small portable PC, but the only question is why the company uses ssd size, M.2 Type-2242 instead of M.2 Type-2280 ? is. Is it due to the motherboard design ?
6:00 crazy low performance. a snapdragon 845 is as fast so a Samsung DEX could match this setup. maybe a good machine as thin client or niche OS like Chrome OS or Linux.
If you're looking for a 4K TV box. Check out the Orange Pi W 2. You can pick that up for $35.
i would prefer the manufacturer come out the laptop size with GPU , but without screen version , and without screen , keyboard and trackpad version . external power button , vertical stand , built in battery , bigger heatsink and big fans for low noise gaming experince.
Can this run Unity? Thanks.
Not really not enough power
@@Techtablets thanks
25 years ago, I did my thesis on my 486 laptop and I hope in 25 years, the 1nm chip powering playstation 10 can play 4k VR game perfectly at 120hz.
After giving up windows 11 you can scream in the trash that you can't update the 16 gb rom memory 1T storage memory
@techtablets Can u add external GPU here ...bcz NVME is present
Hi! Can it run 12 hours or more straight connected to a tv to watch movies? Thanks
Hello Sir,ordered one of these,can you tell me, is it possible and easy to change the thermal paste?
Do you know if it's bios supports auto power on feature (power on after power loss)?
Do you think the fan could be replaced easily? If it's constantly on I'd be afraid of it being a showstopper when it eventually dies.
If it was dual channeled, i would've bought this in a heartbeat just for emulation
Single channel ram in the 2022.. seesh
I cannot find the Morefine M6 for sale anywhere including the Morefines web site. Does anyone know if the TopTon M6 which has the same specifications is as good as the Morefine M6 that TechTablets reviewed in this video?
They are all the same. This is an oem that is being rebranded by other companies
Does this support pcie 4.0?
It's really good that they've added that fan. I've seen these chips with passive cooling and you really don't get enough out of the chip to make things interesting, due the lower voltage to the chip, so they can keep it cool.
Problem is the fan isn't variable speed
Good review as always. Just want to add that these Celeron n5105 now support HDR playback as opposed to previous generation like j4125! I tested this on my new zx01 mini pc bought recently from Aliexpress.
Ah yes that to good point. Much better than raspberry PI systems their video playback capabilities
Not for me, I am allergic to fan noise.... but nice device nonetheless
Same I don't like fan noise but behind a monitor you don't hear it much but it is constant.
Can you physically disable the fan and run the thermal tests?
You don't need to; I have had this unit for 3 months and the fan noise is almost undetectable; the manufacturers may have fixed this problem already. Mine is great no fan noise.
Such a shame it still uses UHD graphics instead of newer Xe graphics, hopefully next gen Celeron will be upgraded in that department.
Yeah would be nice but the Iris Xe GFX uses a lot of power no way they can do that with a 6W TDP.
@@Techtablets It should definitely be possible by downclocking either only the GPU clock or both CPU&GPU clocks in order to lower power usage. Like I said, I expect next gen to use Xe.
so how much FPS in CSGO? =\ was it GPU bound?
It’s in the video. For sure GPU bound of course it’s a weak chipset.
@@Techtablets @TechTablets yea, sorry for disturbing, just weird why it sais TPS there, not FPS...
thanks for the video, not much data on this CPU (at least on this exact one)
Would you be suggested to blow an extra fan on it?
Hmm not sure maybe opening it up and making some holes in the plastics will help. Or a USB fan blowing onto it?
How the hell can you call your company Morefine? What is next? Herofine? Cocafine?
Betterthanfine
@@Techtablets More and Morefine😁
It's not just fine, it's morefine!
Haha yep!
The design of this unit is really, really nice and well thought. You even have ethernet, on the other video i probably saw that you can even power it from some power bank ;p
Yeah, sure, the question is: do you really need something this tiny ? - for similar price you may get (on sale) some Ryzen miniPc from minisforum, which is yea, bigger but on the other hand, performance is so much better, as well as cooling etc. (but wattage consumption is also bigger, which may be important if you want to have something that works ie. 24 h / d :) )
Still, if you look for something of the size similar to Raspberry PI case, then I would say, this is truly great, and actually nicely priced. I mean, all of these 4125, n4100 tiny/miniPCs are now only slightly cheaper than this.
Not really but at least it fits into a pocket. Nice set of features and good for basic computing at least.
is it noisy?
A little yes.
Good report, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
👍
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Dimensity 9000 scores 4400 in geekbench multi core test with TDP of just 7 Watts, ARM's efficiency is unbeatable.
Tsmc 4nm sure is impressive
Off topic but I love the shit, a classic!
Saw morefine clone on AliExpress, called Topton m6 selling now
Is the topton one a clone? This is interesting, I wonder if they managed the aperently innovative task of basic voltage controlled fan speeds, or better yet pwm considering this is a mobile SoC is designed with a passive coolable power envelope, why would you slap a 12v fan at 100% constant onto something so small that a full speed not small fan would be clearly audible if not slightly whiney to the user, this is a tragic desin decision...just saying...Iv ordered a topton one now that I know it's a clone I will do a full teardown of this and look for any indication that there is more than just the vcc and ground conductors to the fan as this would indicate the possibility that this clone actualy has some fan speed control, I think if not I'm just going to solder in a low ohm resistor(diy low noise adapter like noctuas) as I'm planning on running this as only a basic samba server to take advantage of usb 3.1 hdd speeds spindown features that are an advantage over serial ata on a server and the 2.5gbe i225 ethernet will alow me to take full advantage of the max R/W speeds of a multi drive hdd bay and I will be able to power this from the same overkill psu I have put together for that bay...perhaps if this has no fan control I will just integrate this entire unit into the hdd enclosure and utilize its airflow as it's a bit overkill as a commercial enclosure that I built the system into lol...
Make a tutorial how put processor in laptop pls
There are plenty of channels that cover that stuff.
I guess it's meant to be an edge device. Shouldve added 1 more network to enable network router appliance.
Huge pass for me personally
Dual gigabit LAN would have been nice.
🤔
Once he said Celeron....I hit dislike
ctrl+shift+esc to bring up the the task manager; also, why no test of youtube 4K@60?
No 4k60 as when I filmed this I had slow internet that wouldn’t keep up with it. Now I have fiber 1000mb
@@Techtablets ok, good for us, cool channel, respect