The Last Piece of my new Studio Puzzle - the Flock Audio PATCH XT

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  • @nathanzech7061
    @nathanzech7061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    So cool! Love the way you explain things. I've never need or be the level to need this stuff, but it's cool to see a musical wizard like you having fun with all the new toys

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Nathan! I was a little nervous with this one as I'm so bagged tired with work this week! hehe

  • @tenslider6722
    @tenslider6722 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can't wait to see another studio tour Neil

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it'll come once this is all done, as all the wires will be hidden finally! :)

  • @kilohertz9456
    @kilohertz9456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    During WWII the German Enigma Code machine use up to seven patch plugs in addition to four or five thumb switches to encrypt or decrypt messages. Alan Turing built a machine that would stop when the output read Heil Hittler. This was a universal flaw in the German messaging system. All German messages started with Heil Hittler. So once he found a "H" the machine would work on the next character looking for an "e" then the "i" and so on. This cut the time do discover the enigma patches and switches to less than one hour. Since the Germans changed the patches every 24 hours this allowed us to intercept German war plans. The machine Alan built was the predecessor of ENIAC.

  • @aaronschilling1815
    @aaronschilling1815 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to day dream about tools like these being available. Tech has finally caught up

  • @davidg5898
    @davidg5898 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for including some evolutionary history of this gear. I definitely geek out on instrument and music tech history.

  • @stutty1400
    @stutty1400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I absolutely love your excitement Neil. It really shows your passion for music, gear and the whole process. Please don't ever change :)

  • @phillipcarlson7860
    @phillipcarlson7860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Neill, as always, love your content, and your such a good teacher even though most it is over our heads. ## but I think I speak for us all when I say... just lean over and TURN SOME OF THOSE KNOBS, PLEASE !!!

  • @JDFloyd
    @JDFloyd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Neil - there are very few professionals of any skill or subject matter who have Channels like yours. Yes, you can find thousands or even hundreds of thousands of Channels with amateurs pretending to be professional, speaking to truly amateurs who will never advance their skills, but only 1 in 100,000 are real professional channels.
    While your subject matter expertise is niche - not niche as in useless, but niche as in specialized at such a demanding level, that there are only true professionals doing - it is fascinating to watch. I wish there were other Channels like yours in subject matters that are important to my use case.
    You set the standard for professionalism, knowledge, and humble presentation.

  • @gingersnaps6941
    @gingersnaps6941 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That thing is way smaller than I imagined! So cool!

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      3U! But it makes up for its small size in heft! hehe

  • @jamesdk5417
    @jamesdk5417 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks very much. Super interesting.

  • @WoodyW2k
    @WoodyW2k 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So good to geek out with you for 20 minutes. My mind boggles with the infinite possibilities!

  • @leoncargile3410
    @leoncargile3410 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Neil: GREAT info & talk-thru! I’m an old IT/network guy, working a relatively small project studio in the Seattle area, and have a Flock Audio Patch (32x32; 64 ins/outs total). That said, I am DIGGIN’ on AES72-2019! Really didn’t want to run DB-25 cables all over. I’m HOPING that your setup on your XT scales down to the 32x32 Patch easily. Unless you think otherwise, I will try to contact Josh at Equilibrium to see if it’s as straightforward as I hope.
    CONGRATULATIONS on nearing your studio completion! Now that you’ve got your “final” piece of gear…well…for me, not so much. Thanks!

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Leon! Thanks!!
      Yeah the PATCH is the same in every way when it comes to deployment - if you’re going down the AES72 rabbit hole you’d have up to 8 of those adapters on the flock vs up to 24 on the XT. I actually have both units - so it ended up being a stack of those adapters from Josh. Luckily I had all my XLR harnesses for the other side made already years ago before Ward Beck went under during COVID as I been running AES72 before it became ‘official’ as it was spearheaded by Anthony Kuzub (as QTP) via Ward Beck and then ratified by AES a year or so later.
      I will do a follow up as yep - the install is done and tidied. 48 cat cables is waaaaaay less bulk than standard snakes… it’s pretty unbelievable!

  • @andreichichak5242
    @andreichichak5242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Neil. The blue flashy light will be coming soonish.

  • @adelismail9321
    @adelismail9321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I have one of those integrated into my Atmos work flow

  • @sandiesorchids9387
    @sandiesorchids9387 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is so awesome Flock Audio Patch XT is where it's at.

  • @chrisrnz
    @chrisrnz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Neil I don't know if it's you being cheeky or not but I like how that thing behind your right shoulder says "LA LA LA LA LA".
    P.S. I also like how I understood absolutely nothing in this video. But that's OK because FLUX CAPACITOR

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha I’m always cheeky .. but those are actually 5 different modules in a mode called LAyout 😎

  • @silasbr.
    @silasbr. ปีที่แล้ว

    I literally stumbled yesterday over it and asked my self who’s inventing an analog routing matrix these days. In my work field the main goal is ad everything and everything without an Dante/aes67 port kinda sucks 😬😁 but yes analog studios and getting rid of all these ghielmetti and neutrik bantam patch bays is a great use case 👌💪

  • @MoonshineOctopus
    @MoonshineOctopus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My son just started flipping burgers at McDonalds in July but I have to say your professionalism is a cut above! 😎🍔

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wonder if it all stems from the McD bday parties I went to in the 80’s?!?!

    • @MoonshineOctopus
      @MoonshineOctopus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic I attended quite a few McD birthday parties in the 80’s too - perhaps that has been my edge as a professional engineer as well (aero, not sound)! I should get myself a McDonalds Professional t-shirt just like yours!!!

  • @MarkWRoberts
    @MarkWRoberts 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking forward to the final build out...

  • @nogoogleplus
    @nogoogleplus 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats. I’ve been eyeing the XT as well. Look forward to the next progress update vid

  • @applemarkwantsvids
    @applemarkwantsvids 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neil... You're a God... I am so very happy that this chunk of tech is in place (i noticed the rj-45s over the DB connectors when you showed it) and it can be configured whatever way whenever you need it. Looks like you'll get back to experimenting, which is what a tinkerer like you needs. I haven't forgotten about the consultant thing I hit you with a few vids back. Been working like a demon to get some hardware that I need, and then I'll drop a line to your website mail. This is SUCH a great video. I can see why you smile through the whole thing. HAVE FUN!!!!

  • @dragonheadthing
    @dragonheadthing 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat patching device! Love these kind of videos!

  • @enak187
    @enak187 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can’t wait to see the installation vid.

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    All I can do is remember back in the day when I had Reason, and how all the patch cables would sway back and forth when I would rotate the rack to patch something!

  • @aminguy1266
    @aminguy1266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buddy this is fantastic! I’m trying not to drool about this on my own gear. Way to go!!!

  • @melihkaleciklioglu
    @melihkaleciklioglu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "This will be the final thing ill need" the biggest lie in every gear heads life haha
    But jokes aside, this seems like such a neat product/solution. Someday I want to do something similar with my guitar pedals, just running everything through a patchbay. Don't know when exactly, but it seems more suitable than building pedalboards over and over again.
    Thanks for sharing Neil, excited for the outcome!

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha.. this is the last module I’ll buy! Yup, famous last words. I have a running bet with a client with “this is the last eurorack case I’ll need”. 😂

  • @TheDoubleBee
    @TheDoubleBee 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty smart using something cheap and ubiquitous like a RJ45 and repurpose it for analog audio signal - you can get RJ45 connectors and cat6 cable in every decent computer store for next to nothing.

  • @tyerac
    @tyerac 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats Neil, I have to say this video was great - And your enthusiasm is infectious, and I have a similar issue in my studio, yours DWARF's it in scale of course. My resolution was to buy another UAD Apollo (X6) to handle 5.1 surround speakers, and my existing Apollo 8's outputs have now been free'd up solely to use my few pieces of external gear, vs having to go out to a patchbay which I HATE. The pieces I have don't need to run in series, so I only need a single piece of hardware at a time, Now via the direct output of the Apollo and plugged back into the free'd up inputs...and called in as an insert in logic. Nice and Tidy :-) Will leave the wires for my future modular gear lol!! There's no price on tidiness and simplification.... congratulations again!

  • @dosgos
    @dosgos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating technology and interesting video!

  • @bokajllensch661
    @bokajllensch661 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    While analog is more fun I really appreaciate the practicality of digital audio in live sound enviroments. All sources digitized as early as possible and from there on just one cat cable.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nothing like that one kinked cable in a high density snake to ruin the day! heh

  • @FelipeTellez
    @FelipeTellez 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    T-shirt on point! Also killer content as always dude❤

  • @EyesOfByes
    @EyesOfByes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see the lyrics ”la la la la la la la la la” in the background.

  • @drdelewded
    @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most pro studios, who don't use the smaller TT patch cables, use 1/4" long frame jacks (Neutrik makes them, much sturdier than the standard 1/4 inch connector.. We have them in the racks at the TV network I work at) They look like jumbo TT cables.. with the ball tip. Regular 1/4 can be jammed into the long frame patch bays, but they dont exactly work..

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I remeber those - I got my first synth in 1991 - and my dad stole some of those cables from the radio station and wouldn’t work with the regular 1/4 jacks hehe

    • @drdelewded
      @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic Whats neat about them is you can score the patch bays pretty cheap from old radio / tv / etc stations.. If youre good at soldering, the ends are still being produced.
      I have a 5 TT bays sitting in a box with about 50 patch cales for it.. Though once I finally build my own studio Ill be going FLOCK or converting everything to DANTE and virtually patching things by computer..

  • @finvestassociatesllc4856
    @finvestassociatesllc4856 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neil !!! You are The Freakoid !!! Super cool Dude 😂!))))

  • @Starsheriff
    @Starsheriff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seems like Christmas comes early for you this Year. :)

  • @mikef17
    @mikef17 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Neil, did you ever go to Active Surplus on Queen Street in Toronto? Your background totally reminds me of the flashing/flickering lights they always had on display there. Great store! I wish it was still around.

  • @tonycarpenter-Makzimia
    @tonycarpenter-Makzimia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had the SSL X-Patch for a short time, big difference having that digital patching, I never should have bought it though as I went overboard on my home studio at the same time LOL.

  • @gavmurray7398
    @gavmurray7398 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    when the final thing you need to make it all work cost 15k!! super cool can't wait to see it deployed.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, it all works now, but working better/smarter usually come with a cost. This one blows the door open for creative flexibility and reconfiguring the room instantly.

    • @infojunkie4989
      @infojunkie4989 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve gone with the basic version (the patch) but will soon run out of capacity so thinking about adding another. The Xt Is a beast but a big chunk of change! Looking forward to seeing the follow up once you have it all hooked up!

  • @teltub1968
    @teltub1968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this. I have been looking for somebody with practical experience with and a professional use case for these devices since forever and already had an epiphany when you showed the DB25 to RJ45 adapters. So many problems solved... But: Are you planning any tests about signal quality comparing straight DB25 and CAT (what CAT btw? Will 5 do?)? That would be awesome. Sounds tempting, but kind of paranoid about adapters in a signal path 🙂

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did some phase/null tests years ago. I'll do it again shortly when things are rigged up fully. The spec says 5 or 6 is fine. STP is more ideal if phantom is involved but I believe one side of the ground has to be lifted on the cable. I'm using UTP and running into no issues so far. I'm not done all my tests though... to be continued...

  • @filterdecay
    @filterdecay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i hate and use 1/4" patch bays. I wish a quality one would be made. Its just easier to use that cable. I do love how the mini tt feels though but I'm mostly normaled so I don't touch it often.

  • @johniebeats
    @johniebeats 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello Neil Do you think it could be another solution for house of Worship?

  • @danieldavis6703
    @danieldavis6703 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing…. I do a have a question / request for a video topic if I may….. why does it seem that newer movie mixes are so hard to hear dialogue, ie Tenant, Interstellar & many others? As someone the works in technology I’m interested in the details and the why. I meant to say as someone that works at McDonalds just like yourself maybe you know someone that can answer this for us.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a creative choice by the director - and not by coincidence interstellar and Tenet are both the same director with the same Dialogue style in places.
      www.ctvnews.ca/awards/movie-sound-veterans-explain-interstellar-s-hard-to-hear-dialogue-1.2245462

  • @jafizzle95
    @jafizzle95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Expensive cable makers shaking their fists in air cursing whatever genius invented the cheap and ubiquitous CAT standard.

    • @drdelewded
      @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bob Metcalfe

  • @joeybaronstudio
    @joeybaronstudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all cool studio and love the back to the future stuff I was wondering what those counters were until I saw the capacitor … anyway I thought the 64 patch was not enough channels cause if you run a 24 track analog you have 24 inputs inserts and what ever gear you have… but my question is that they say you can run mics right in the patch which would be cool to audition different pres but people tell me you can’t

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as I know it runs at +4 balanced through and through. I was always confused about it offering phantom with that being the case as most mics will not play nice without something changing the impedance

  • @EyesOfByes
    @EyesOfByes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One could hope Tim Cook himself comes to your studio to deliver the next Mac Pro, and doesnt leave until everything works.

  • @cfig81
    @cfig81 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting! I wonder how a 4 channel I/O is gonna end up in a cat cable? If you can please explain that in the next video will be helpful-thanks

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s 4ch in one direction .. as each twisted pair is a balanced signal. So if you want to move 4ch of I/o it’ll require 2 cat cables

    • @cfig81
      @cfig81 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic thank you

  • @Falcowe
    @Falcowe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey I have been looking around for that DB25 to AES72-2019 adapter you have. Where did you get them? They look like they'd be useful in my situation, and I'm sure others too.

  • @arock
    @arock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Neil - where are you getting your AES72 DB25 adapters? Looking around, hard to find many options.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There’s a guy local to me who makes them. Message me from my site www.Neilparfitt.com and I’ll give you the details if you’d like.

  • @minder01
    @minder01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well explained!
    Is there much disparity from company to company in terms of quality or is it pure ergonomic preference?
    I’ve been eyeing Behringer's smaller products because they’re quite cheap but that has me worried I’ll just get a decently functional tin can.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you asking about patchbays or another piece of equipment?

    • @minder01
      @minder01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic 16 input patchbays specifically.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@minder01 depends on how much use they’ll be seeing. The cheaper ones tend to use bottom of the barrel connections and more plastic. Those will break or fail eventually.

  • @drdelewded
    @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey could you link those DB25 to CAT5 adapters?
    Anthony Kazub introduced me to the concept and
    showed me some prototypes he was building for Ward Beck Systems (RIP)
    Maybe 5-6 years ago.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep - that's when I dove into it - it was a year before AES ratified it. I had bought my first round of adapters from WB directly, including their QTP to XLR breakout harnesses and some of their BOBCat boxes. I've bought my latest 24 DB25 to RJ45 adapters from a guy in kitchener. He's in the midst of a rebranding - you can reach him at josh@equilibriumaudio.ca

    • @drdelewded
      @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic
      Thanks..
      I work at a TV network a couple blocks from the old WB location.. Kazub was a freelancer here.. and we have a ton of WB gear throughout the facility.. distro amps to meters..
      All in all, the concept has intrigued me since and I've tried to keep up with the twisted pair world as much as possible

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drdelewded i think he's a guy that's EVERYWHERE. He's like Agent Smith in the matrix :). I'm guessing you're over at CTV?

    • @drdelewded
      @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic
      I try not to divulge my irl persona online.. so I can neither confirm nor deny that assertion.. but get into it..
      Mixing post since 2001z

    • @drdelewded
      @drdelewded 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic
      I did leave a pretty easy breadcrumb if you're local

  • @Brasilianer1
    @Brasilianer1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi could you not use an additional audio interface instead?

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it would end up costing around the same to have that much ADC/DAC, with the added issue of additional ADC/DAC stages, latency compensation and reliance on the DAW for everything. Not as streamlined for my use case.

  • @LikeDotAudio
    @LikeDotAudio ปีที่แล้ว

    Aes72 not bad...

  • @philipgalaura760
    @philipgalaura760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Neil, your channel has been an inspiration for me and has helped answer a lot of questions in the past. I have one, Where do you purchase the cards for AES72-2019? Is this an option from Flock or a 3P addition.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      3rd party. Drop Josh an email at josh@equilibriumaudio.ca as I think the site is in the middle of revamp.

    • @philipgalaura760
      @philipgalaura760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic wonderful! Thank you

    • @philipgalaura760
      @philipgalaura760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic got hold of Josh and picked up whatever he had left. Thank you again.

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@philipgalaura760 awesome! just double check to make sure you get the screw ends you need. My didn't have any on the second order so went to lowes to get some small 4/40 screws. I cant figure out the absoltely consenses for db25's hold down screws.. as it can be 4/40 or M3 depending on where the gear is built. it mostly seems to be 4/40 though

    • @philipgalaura760
      @philipgalaura760 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@NeilParfittMusic Woah! Thanks for that bit of info. Didn’t realize I had to get those. Seriously good to know, well Lowes is around the corner for me, hopefully it’ll all work out. Josh should be shipping them out today,

  • @adelismail9321
    @adelismail9321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the quality ?

  • @rollingrock5143
    @rollingrock5143 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you feel about Dante and related systems, Neil? My stu utilizes rednet to interconnect rooms and I've heard about studios routing absolutely everything into a dante network. Just curious about your thoughts on it as a composer. 🙂

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm in that weird spot where I have too much existing MADI gear in the mix that works perfectly to justify a changeover. The good thing is, if I do end up going there at some point , the AVID MTRX can accommodate by popping in a card or two. I've wanted a Focusrite Rednet AM2 for my tracking floor, but damn is it ever $$$$ for a 2 ch headphone box. Any ideas?

    • @NeilParfittMusic
      @NeilParfittMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ooo this is new!
      www.radialeng.com/product/dinet-dan-rx2

    • @rollingrock5143
      @rollingrock5143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NeilParfittMusic I think the most important thing is to take an overhead look and see what gear you need for the job-at-hand in your existing setup. A Dante overhaul could be a pricy headache to have for a while. Lots of options with patching, tie lines, monitor controllers, surround, atmos.. Seems like something that should be done from the ground up and much more difficult to implement to an existing signal flow network. If MADI and your own build works, great! What matters is getting the job done on time. I'm a mixer so my idea of routing is a bit different to that of a composer with all those awesome toys that need to get routed in. I'm also one of those modernists that prefer to keep it all in the box if i can lol. So my thoughts are, what works best is what works for you. Thanks for replying 🙂

    • @rollingrock5143
      @rollingrock5143 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@NeilParfittMusic Oh right, as for tracking floor, the networking stuff isn't really my strong suit, sorry. I kind of just learn how to use whats there and get to using my ears. 😅But I got used to using DAD converters and monitor controllers in the music rooms. Rednet X2Ps and PT Carbons in the adr booths.