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No no no, Maxx C isn't getting banned in OCG. Multchummy wasn't created to prepare OCG players for Maxx C's ban. It was created to prepare TCG players for Maxx C's unban.
@@Amitlu You understand mulchimommy is literally an errata that has thus downside,as well as several others, and will still be very good? Going first or second, Maxx c is broken and deserves a ban
Maxx C was never getting banned on this list. Konami just released some product meant to get new players into competitive ocg format which included maxx c It would be very bad to immediately invalidate those decks and piss off all the new players.
Iirc Transmigration even negates everything else in the chain rather than just the card you respond to, so it beats chainblocks and huge effect chains like Labrynth effects.
The chummy to ban Maxx c idea always felt like cope to me. Like it makes total sense to print a worse Maxx c if it’s going to be an archetype/series which it clearly implies. And even if we assume it was a standalone card meant to replace Maxx c, do you think they printed Dominus Purge so they could ban ash blossom?
Beatrice to 1 is a warning limit, and anounces that it's getting banned next list. What this truly hurts other than BA are the decks that can make multiple of her in a turn and can play Beatrice control this way (I remember that you could build Virtual World to do that). And same goes for S:P. They're putting a gun at her head and telling us that they'll shoot her in 3 months.
Yup. SP going from 3 to 2 and then 1 makes it blantently obvious OCG rather pulls the bandaide off slowly then risk angering playerbase by giving ample enough warning time to maybeeee get ready to swap cards soon lol.
@@defectivesickle5643Welcome to Konami lol But it's also a way to not incite mass panic selling, so the price will steadily drop instead of simply being worthless overnight.
1:10 "It's a normal summon that's two bodies for free" Yeah, so's Girsu. If all you want is a normal summon that can make a link 2 by itself it's not like you don't have options already. Hell, Terrortop can do it without needing a normal summon if you're okay with playing a garnet.
Alright this is kind of whining. Girsu requires at least two garnets and locks you into dark, terrortop requires a garnet and requires normal if you have ANY board. In contrast GUB can put a link one into your grave while making the 2 materials allowing easier access to certain link monsters like SP, and also can summon itself for virtually no cost even if discarded or milled.
@@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N okay so… girsu if you control no other monsters meaning it can’t be used as an extender or later in the game unless you get board wiped gives you a token. This is still nowhere near as good as GUB. The token is not an effect monster so it cannot be used for many of the link 2s by itself that GUB and a link 1 can make, and some of the link 1s (such as anima) cannot use a token. That’s very mid tbh. And that’s not even mentioning that it gives your opponent a token, meaning unless your combo specifically removes it somehow, it increases the chance your opponent can react to your board whatever it is, because you have then a resource equally as strong as the one you generated, potentially stronger if their deck synergizes with the token in any way. And all the while, GUB benefits from incredibly strong support for things like level 1 monsters. One for one summons it from deck without your normal at the cost of a discard, meaning a LIVE S:P can be summoned via just a one for one, and that’s simply one possible option for the card slot. Especially in the kinds of deck that already run one for one, like link combo decks using dotscaper or snake-eyes, that’s very powerful.
@@WoodsRunnerOkay, since Girsu is "whining" do you think Dotscaper is broken? Cus it literally does the same thing as bulb. Is currently at 3, can be searched by Mining/where arf thou, Earth attribute, 0 atk and has can ss itself twice if you banish it later.
@@WoodsRunner Yeah that's cool and all. I don't care. I'm responding specifically to the part of the video I pointed out where Farfa claims that Bulb is a dumb card because it's a normal summon that provides two bodies. He never mentions milling or sending it, or any other synergies, so I don't bother to acknowledge them either. But to address some of it, keep in mind that Girsu giving the opponent a token can also be an advantage by for example forcing an early Imperm from hand or stopping some special summons like Kashtiras. Sure you can't make Anima with the token but you can make Linkuriboh, or if you're playing in the TCG, you still get Link Spider.
Yup people said this shit when SP went to 2. And behold it’s at 1. Gonna be banned next list at this rate. Same with Beatrice. OCG like to do gradual changes rather then blind hip fire scorchearth hits like TCG that may or may not do shit
pretty much. tho it also discourages running multiples if you also run the pot cards that fuel from your Extra deck(which btw, Extrav only exists to make you play multiple copies of ED staples and should have never been printed.)
Plushfire would get popped by Pend Sorc, Luster, and Wavering Eyes in 2016 If you opened the most ideal hand, you could go luster plushfire search off of luster plushfire eff 1 activate another plushfire wavering eyes search monke plushfire eff 2 monke search high scale pend both plushfires and pend sorc pend sorc pop both plushfires 3 and 4
i liked the part where gimmick puippet was a go second otk deck, i think?, then they gave it suport to make the entire identity ftk with the help of an ignorance fieldspell just so that they now hit cards that never in a million years where problem cards
For Colossus, this is actually a huge change. 1. You can’t get sacked by Kashtira Unicorn. If at any point you activate a monster effect while your opponent has unicorn (which will be always before you can summon him) they’ll get rid of your only copy and that’s that. 2. If for any reason you need to send a thunder dragon (let’s say roar or dark) to the graveyard and you don’t have any card except other thunder dragons in your hand. Then you can activate it even if your first colossus was removed without having to try and recoil him through fusion or chaos creator. 3. You can use colossus as a reliable Titan path. Now again you don’t have to worry about using fusion to recoil colossus and can instead sue your first one to summon Titan without worries. As a thunder dragon player this is good news but undeniably it’s 50/50 if it’s too much. I personally think colossus and in turn TD’s are balanced with him at one so who knows.
@@thephilosophyminor However, that's a really fucking stupid want that shows that Konami shouldn't listen to us since it's not even part of Snake-Eye's mainline combo, and instead just ends up being a consistency hit.
@@lyncario5515issue is snake eyes is hard to gut. In master duel they have ash and wanted to 1. Basically killing pure completely. Yet Oss just makes fire king snake eyes the best deck. Even with one ash one poplar 0 oak one wanted one diabelle, snake eyes will be in the meta as long as oss exists to pivot into fire king. Plus we all know if they hit snake eyes in the tcg without banning oss the day consort is released snake eyes will be tier 1 again. There is no way to gut snake eyes now and in the future to tier 3 or so without killing it. As long as oss exists it will be meta in the future. You HAVE to ban oss unless we're never releasing consort. Only way to hit it to below tier 2 is poplar ban or oss ban with some consistency hits, But poplar ban is brutal.
lol chummy existing will have zero impact on banning Maxx C. People kept thinking the bug will be banned years ago and for years in the future they still will think OCG will be like TCG lol
3 Colossus is a HUGE difference, because it wasn't JUST used for being a floodgate at the end of a combo. It was used as Rank 8 material and then the turn would end with multiple on the field, so opponents wouldn't be able to search just by having opened an Imperm.
Farfa, come on, sir. They 're not going to hit Soushokusuru G (Maxx "C") after releasing Tactical Try Evil Twin and Tactical Try Cyber Dragon on June 8th if their goal is to get new players into the game in OCG territories. Imagine buying a company created "introductory product” for getting into competitive paper yugioh ["Designed to be played at a tournament" (Source: the marketing announcement)], only for said company to ban two cards from the deck when said company is having issues getting new players.
another point: the tactical try decks are getting a second batch prints to be released on August. Safe to say Maxx C isn't getting banned for the entire year.
An idea that occurred to me during this video is what if the real reason they made Chummy was so they could eventually introduce a weaker maxx C to the TCG in an odd attempt to make the format resemble the OCG more for some reason?
Yeah Bulb at 3 from 1 doesn’t change much for the decks that would run it beyond just boosted consistency to open it. The actual effect is once per duel.
@@Alexalibur13 yes. I am aware of that. So what deck(s) in the OCG right now, especially of meta relevance, is playing Beatrice at more than 1 that supposed makes this limit meaningful?
@@OsirusHandle Yeah, and the OCG already banned the cannon soldiers. All that's left when it comes to repeatable sac outlets is the double sac in MK-2 and amazoness archer atp.
Why does Konami like dominant Tier 1 formats? Because now that Snake Eye is crazy and isnt getting hit, but in Unchained-RescueAce-SuperHeavy was a diverse format they killed those decks
Because money. In a game without set rotation, the only way Konami can get people to buy new cards is to continue making them increasingly obsolete. But from a competitive standpoint: a more skewed format is easier to side for. Like, AGOV is going to be great to go back to as a time wizard format, but when we were boots on the ground playing that format while it was going on, it was really hard to build side decks for that format and a lot of competitive players were bitching because of it (even though that's kind of the point of an unsolved format, because the game's more fun with its less figured out).
OCG Yugioh competes with way more other cardgames than TCG so straight up banning decks into unplayability leads to players who bought into those decks potentially switching games to Weiss Schwarz, Vanguard, Digimon, Onepiece etc. OCG is also way more casual and filled with Petdeckers who only play the game for their pet deck, thats why most decks are playable in the ocg but held back by maxx c and consistency hits.
@@luminous3558 yes yugioh competes with a larger variety of games in the ocg but it seems much more dominant in Japan than the yugioh tcg is in the west just on shop presence alone. Yugioh there is like what mtg is here from I’ve seen, that is the vastly more dominant game with the others placed around it.
Sangen summoning is worst at more than one copy since they can just get a second copy with paidra if it dies. This at least prevents them from going down the trident dragion line with 6k atk on him if you pop it
I wouldn't expect Maxx C being banned in OCG when they just released the Tactical Try Decks where the card is included. Maybe if they start releasing new TTDs where Maxx C is not included it will mean its a sign.
time seal was limited because there were loops for it. it was never good except if looped. the traditional combo was mask of darkness and tsukiyomi to repeatedly get it back and loop it essentially preventing your opponent from drawing after the first activation. there are probably better ways to loop it these days tbh so I will be unsurprised if it gets hit again because someone found a degenerate draw lock out.
@@Golladan tbf any deck looking to loop time seal is going to be intentionally dragging out the game. it's like fiber jar where you probably aren't doing it because you want to win you are doing it because you find it fun to make sure nobody else is having fun.
One thing people always complain about is the 1 to 2 to 3. while then ignoring the times things go to 3, example being Colossus this list. it's exceptionally inconsistent, the TCG also does this with completely unviable cards, inzektors ether and post errata chaos emperor.
I just find it insane that Master Duel is still running complete non-sense bans that hurt garbage decks be even more garbage. Like why tf is Time Seal or Ib still banned in MD? They are releasing a new banlist for OCG but they couldn't change a few integers in MD to accompany it? Like, what are they genuinely even doing?
The Worlds qualifiers in MD just ended, we should be getting a banlist pretty soon. That being said, MD lists are very hit or miss, so I'm not holding my breath for a format saving list by any means.
As OCG player, I can say, "You get used to it" and will consider it 'part of the game' There's of course some OCG players that don't like Maxx C, but they rarely make a rant about it and not the Majority. Most OCG Player just accept that it exist, and build the deck with "Playing around Maxx C" in mind. Though, if Maxx C banned one day, you definitely will see various reaction, as the game will definitely change a lot, as we no longer has "Playing around Maxx C" in mind when choosing and building deck.
So my biggest fear is true... That they release chummy not to replace Maxx c, but cus they think Maxx C not enough with 1 card combo became popular... God please proof me wrong.
They rarely give people a replacement for a card they are going to ban. They could make something even better than Maxx C and ban the original as long as it gets you to keep buying product. They don't have to do you any favors first. That's what they really think of their players.
4:08 pretty sure the hesitance to keep timeseal under control relies on the fact is a normal trap. meaning transaction rollback can cheat it out and labrynth can steup a way of activating it in the turn its set.
Rollback can exploit Girl Meets Girl which is way better then Time Seal, but in actual practice no real competitive Lab list runs that card. Lab has even less reason to tech in Time Seal.
if removing your opponent's turn 1 draw really was good, decks would just play drastic drop off which is better in every way because it's more flexible and your opponent can't chain to it. DDO sees absolutely zero play because cards can do more than just trade 1 for 1 with your opponent randomly and only when going first.
Time Seal Lab will be a meme probably, but you're taking out other traps to play a card that is only really good going first. Besides, you can already handrip 2 before your opponent gets to play if you want to, Time Seal isn't giving the deck anything that they didn't already have.
@@mrharvy100it's also possible that most lab players aren't the brightest tools on the shack. That guy who made it to top 4 in UK Nats playing that linear cannon card did something most lab players never seriously considered and now you'll probably see copycats springing up. If that card you mentioned is that good then someone will probably end up causing a similar upset W it.
Now i get it. OCG will never ban maxx c. It makes sense because they don't want to copy TCG ever! Because this is a Japanese game originally. Instead they want TCG to be more like ocg. That's why they release mult so that when worlds comes around the ocg players can use something similar to maxx c.
Personally, I think if they were going to more or less unify the lists, they would have done it by now. However, I think Maxx C being unbanned in TCG is more likely than OCG banning Maxx C
@@NvrPhazed I agree I don't think tcg will ever unban Maxx c otherwise players will revolt. I just think they're introducing mult chummy for ocg players playing in world's who are used to Maxx c like cards. Also it might be too soon to say Maxx c won't get banned in ocg until we see the rest of mult chummy arctype. They will probably be one for extra deck special summons and one for main deck/graveyard special summons. Then ocg will have to make a big decision. Let me just say that for tcg players we are chilling because these mult chummy cards will be way more far than Maxx c will ever be. Ocg will be chaotic.
@akuma2095 Honestly wouldn't mind maxx c at 1. My main issue is that too many duels are affected by it. Also annoying that 6-10 cards in your deck are already decided in MD depending on archetype just from its existence at 3. It really stunts creativity
You expect an ocg banlist that makes sense :vvvv It only happens once in a blue moon bro And as an md only (I've quitted tcg and don't wanna play ocg) it makes me hella salty that the cheaper formats have worse banlists
Maxx C ban wagoners are a bunch of copium huffers. If anything, Mult gets banned and the TCG gets scuffed Maxx C as Komoney intended. OCG players are already saying Mult does nothing though.
@@admontblanc Why would they be correct? The card is strong so it will see play, every card that is banned and should be banned would see play if legal. TCG doesnt want maxx c legal because it would be everywhere and turn half the games into non-games.
Multchummy is mid when you have Maxx c because the cards have anti-synergy. That’s why we thought it might go because who’s going to play multichummy when you can play Maxx C? Evidently no one. Guess they just made it to give the tcg a weaker Maxx C so they can keep printing lazily designed degenerate combo decks.
time seal needs a first turn activate trap card to be maybe feasiblely not completely unuseful. rollback has many better proactive first turn targets and reactive targets and even if it can be activated same turn set it needs an hand emptier to be useful.
Ghost meets Girl is theoretically a strong Rollback target and no real Lab list runs that card either. I highly doubt Lab competitively will use time seal over literally any other much better trap tech
even if it did that its so trash. The cards that can empty a whole hand are way more problematic than the thing that "infinitely" locks down the draw afterwards. Remember we can actually just otk turn 3 so we dont need time seal ever.
There is a loop that Junks can pull off to loop Time Seal / Pyro Clock of Destiny (First turn Final Countdown!) using Junk Collector, DDR, and Primal Seed.
So, do Japanese players hate Maxx C? Like people wanted to be banned in a format they don't play. And because it didn't happen, I imagine they aren't that bothered by the little bug.
@@firstnamelastname6601 mainly because their format iswarped around maxx C being legal, and checking their side decks will show that at the very least they devote space on it to deal with the potential of maxx C
I remember farfa did a vidoe where Japanese players complained about maxx c like other players. I also remember an OCG player (who got first in the MD duelist cup I think) telling Farfa that he'd like to play the TCG just to not deal with maxx c.
Ok spyral is master duel is untuched the problem with that deck is that it dies too 1 kaiju kaijuing a 4 mat apo gets ridn of 5 negates cuz it breaks the u link or 1 dark ruler or 1 droplett or 2 generic board brakers and the deck is realy sesepteble too targeted negashion or lingering floorgates
OCG looking at the possibility of a deck that can turbo out a monster with 16K ATK and an unsearchable Level 5 on turn 1 and it's the Level 5 is the problem is as silly as them looking at a deck that can spit out 15 bodies to do nothing other than be tribute fodder and thinking the problem is the card tributing them.
Seventh Tachyon can search Catapult Turtle, which itself can be searched, so Tachyon Horus FTK is actually pretty consistent. It just dies to Imperm/Veiler like most FTKs, but if your opponent doesn't have it...
@@wolfboy414_lachowever, if they have Transmigration you can't do shit. It's a scary ftk because Transmigration puts it on the level of Danger ftk W azatoth, a hyper consistent ftk with a way to stop handtraps from disrupting it.
SPYRAL is lacking in today's format, they need extra support to be good again. I've been using Spyral+Horus on MD and I'm getting outclassed by meta decks with ease. *cough* still waiting for a labyrinth or tearlaments ban.
Maxx C to me, is no different than any other broken thing in YGO these days. It’s just an absurd broken effect on one card instead of requiring a combo. YGO has become so incredibly frustrating and unsatisfying to play, that it really is negligible for me, at least the games over faster if I play Maxx C and they surrender, or vice versa. In a scale of 1 to 10 on the toxic scale, Maxx C is a 9, No Maxx C is an 8. I’ve been playing this game on and of for nearly 20 years, and I don’t really know if people know how much has changed. I watched Farfa’s original Table 500s recently, I remember thinking some of those end boards and combos were completely degenerate, now that shit looks like absolute child’s play. I knew it was like this, but seeing it again really opened my eyes. This game has been drilled down to its most binary form, I literally don’t know where it goes from here, it literally can’t get any faster unless we have a game 0.
Yup. Circular ban is a W for OCG. No shit “it doesn’t see play” when TCG is in a Tier 0 meta as Indianapolis shown. Cope as hell to go “Circular is not a problem because there is another deck that is ALSO a problem”.
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"No way the OCG are such psychopaths that they think Maxx C needs to be at 6." -Joshua Schmidt, 2024.
Maxx "C" to 0 and make its effect an official rule.
@@f5673-t1h the chaotic timeline 😅
The reality is no one play the chum with max c. Tcg player can keep cry all they want. Max c here to stay
@@GrassMedizawtf you mean no one
Some tenpai lists plays 3 chummy 3 maxx c
@@ayham613 Some Tenpai tested with both, but eventually cut the Jellyfish anyway because it sucks.
Beatrice to 1 is a proof konami hates farfa
Good.
>Konami, why do you give me your hardest banlists?
>Because you are my most European employee
They must've been scared of players going into double Beatrice and then overlaying them for Utopic Future Dragon
Nah, they totally made 3 Beatrice and then tributed a fourth BA to summon Catapult turtle for a FTK.
I wish I could play Duncan Turbo again man, 2016 was a wild year.
No no no, Maxx C isn't getting banned in OCG. Multchummy wasn't created to prepare OCG players for Maxx C's ban. It was created to prepare TCG players for Maxx C's unban.
This isn't a joke.
This is real and you can't convince me otherwise.
Especially if people want to complain about combo decks.
Maxx C just needs an errata that you cant activate it if you control more cards than your opponent. :P
@@Amitlu You understand mulchimommy is literally an errata that has thus downside,as well as several others, and will still be very good? Going first or second, Maxx c is broken and deserves a ban
Maxx C was never getting banned on this list. Konami just released some product meant to get new players into competitive ocg format which included maxx c It would be very bad to immediately invalidate those decks and piss off all the new players.
tachyon FTK is actually pretty consistent mainly because mfs search omni counter trap that can activate from hand in middle of the combo
Yup. OCG is pretty consistent on doing FTK hits especially the more common ones.
Iirc Transmigration even negates everything else in the chain rather than just the card you respond to, so it beats chainblocks and huge effect chains like Labrynth effects.
@@shulkthesmileyboiwhat about your own card if they chain a hand trap?
@@noga5008 The negation from Transmigration thankfully only applies to opponent cards. Otherwise yes, it would negate your cards as well.
I am a booping my pents
Konami made chummy so the community just be mad having to deal with both chummy an Maxx c in the same deck no deck is safe now even floo isnt safe
the jellyfish sees no play because the roach still exists
@@i55edI mean the Jelly is basically just having 3 extra, worse Maxx C's in your deck so some decks would probably play them side by side
The chummy to ban Maxx c idea always felt like cope to me. Like it makes total sense to print a worse Maxx c if it’s going to be an archetype/series which it clearly implies. And even if we assume it was a standalone card meant to replace Maxx c, do you think they printed Dominus Purge so they could ban ash blossom?
@@i55ed I doubt it'd see play even if Maxx C was banned. I guess we'll see when the TCG gets it.
@@epicfail7874 Opening 3 Maxx C already insta loses games if your last 2 cards aren't starters. Imagine increasing the chances of that.
Beatrice to 1 is a warning limit, and anounces that it's getting banned next list. What this truly hurts other than BA are the decks that can make multiple of her in a turn and can play Beatrice control this way (I remember that you could build Virtual World to do that).
And same goes for S:P. They're putting a gun at her head and telling us that they'll shoot her in 3 months.
Yup. SP going from 3 to 2 and then 1 makes it blantently obvious OCG rather pulls the bandaide off slowly then risk angering playerbase by giving ample enough warning time to maybeeee get ready to swap cards soon lol.
some ritual centric deck that were using benten would also be making more than once beatrice.
If the banlist is how Konami communicates with its players, then Konami has dogshit communication
@@defectivesickle5643 It took you that long to realize that?
@@defectivesickle5643Welcome to Konami lol
But it's also a way to not incite mass panic selling, so the price will steadily drop instead of simply being worthless overnight.
1:10 "It's a normal summon that's two bodies for free" Yeah, so's Girsu. If all you want is a normal summon that can make a link 2 by itself it's not like you don't have options already. Hell, Terrortop can do it without needing a normal summon if you're okay with playing a garnet.
Alright this is kind of whining. Girsu requires at least two garnets and locks you into dark, terrortop requires a garnet and requires normal if you have ANY board. In contrast GUB can put a link one into your grave while making the 2 materials allowing easier access to certain link monsters like SP, and also can summon itself for virtually no cost even if discarded or milled.
@@WoodsRunner Girsu doesn't require any garnets and doesn't lock you. Just ignore the first effect and make tokens.
@@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N okay so… girsu if you control no other monsters meaning it can’t be used as an extender or later in the game unless you get board wiped gives you a token. This is still nowhere near as good as GUB. The token is not an effect monster so it cannot be used for many of the link 2s by itself that GUB and a link 1 can make, and some of the link 1s (such as anima) cannot use a token. That’s very mid tbh. And that’s not even mentioning that it gives your opponent a token, meaning unless your combo specifically removes it somehow, it increases the chance your opponent can react to your board whatever it is, because you have then a resource equally as strong as the one you generated, potentially stronger if their deck synergizes with the token in any way. And all the while, GUB benefits from incredibly strong support for things like level 1 monsters. One for one summons it from deck without your normal at the cost of a discard, meaning a LIVE S:P can be summoned via just a one for one, and that’s simply one possible option for the card slot. Especially in the kinds of deck that already run one for one, like link combo decks using dotscaper or snake-eyes, that’s very powerful.
@@WoodsRunnerOkay, since Girsu is "whining" do you think Dotscaper is broken? Cus it literally does the same thing as bulb. Is currently at 3, can be searched by Mining/where arf thou, Earth attribute, 0 atk and has can ss itself twice if you banish it later.
@@WoodsRunner Yeah that's cool and all. I don't care. I'm responding specifically to the part of the video I pointed out where Farfa claims that Bulb is a dumb card because it's a normal summon that provides two bodies. He never mentions milling or sending it, or any other synergies, so I don't bother to acknowledge them either.
But to address some of it, keep in mind that Girsu giving the opponent a token can also be an advantage by for example forcing an early Imperm from hand or stopping some special summons like Kashtiras. Sure you can't make Anima with the token but you can make Linkuriboh, or if you're playing in the TCG, you still get Link Spider.
bad ending: maxx c gets unbanned at 3 in tcg because multchummy was a test to see if they could unban it in the format
Nah TCG would threaten to quit in droves. Multchummy will become the TCG Maxx C.
Yes.
@@GaussianEntity yea and two weeks later they're back playing in the format cause they've played in worse
@@colonelcider8292 😂
Putting S:P to 2 last list was basically a warning hit to let players know that “if you abuse this card, we will hit it to 1 or even ban it”
Yup people said this shit when SP went to 2. And behold it’s at 1. Gonna be banned next list at this rate. Same with Beatrice. OCG like to do gradual changes rather then blind hip fire scorchearth hits like TCG that may or may not do shit
pretty much.
tho it also discourages running multiples if you also run the pot cards that fuel from your Extra deck(which btw, Extrav only exists to make you play multiple copies of ED staples and should have never been printed.)
With bonus effect of making the card cheaper in OCG.
S:P single prices after the semi limit basically drops, and now dropped again.
Its more like, "sell it now because we're banning this shit soon", which is the same reason why Beatrice went to 1.
"If you don't use this card you'll be at a big disadvantage but if you do we will ban it."
A transparent cash grab.
I will never stop loving the fact that, after all these years, literal DECADES, Yugi's toy turtle is still dodging allegations XD
OCG deciding that the TCG needs a card like Maxx "C" so they print a nerfed one. Genius.
Farfa: "No way they would semi quick fix if they gonna ban maxx C" Quick fix: "I'm at 3 in the TCG, what crap are you on?!?"
yea but master plan is banned in tcg while its at 3 in ocg
@@iori463 Both are at 3 on Master Duel and the deck does nothing. Same with Dragon Rulers. Funny how careful the OCG is with that stuff;
Master Duel is a best of 1 format. It's a different game.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 I know that, but do you really think that Spyral or Dragon Rulers gain much from being in a best of 3 format?
Literally Master Plan banned
it's always the second beatrice that gets ya
Plushfire would get popped by
Pend Sorc, Luster, and Wavering Eyes in 2016
If you opened the most ideal hand, you could go luster plushfire search off of luster plushfire eff 1 activate another plushfire wavering eyes search monke plushfire eff 2 monke search high scale pend both plushfires and pend sorc pend sorc pop both plushfires 3 and 4
Turtle was doing nothing for 20 years 😂
i liked the part where gimmick puippet was a go second otk deck, i think?, then they gave it suport to make the entire identity ftk with the help of an ignorance fieldspell just so that they now hit cards that never in a million years where problem cards
It's supposed to be a going second deck, people just play it as an ftk
@@grinreaperTV because the new support was literally designed to be an FTK, not sure what konami was thinking.
For Colossus, this is actually a huge change.
1. You can’t get sacked by Kashtira Unicorn. If at any point you activate a monster effect while your opponent has unicorn (which will be always before you can summon him) they’ll get rid of your only copy and that’s that.
2. If for any reason you need to send a thunder dragon (let’s say roar or dark) to the graveyard and you don’t have any card except other thunder dragons in your hand. Then you can activate it even if your first colossus was removed without having to try and recoil him through fusion or chaos creator.
3. You can use colossus as a reliable Titan path. Now again you don’t have to worry about using fusion to recoil colossus and can instead sue your first one to summon Titan without worries.
As a thunder dragon player this is good news but undeniably it’s 50/50 if it’s too much. I personally think colossus and in turn TD’s are balanced with him at one so who knows.
If S:P was released like 1+ year ago, then this would have been a definite ban.
Also Losuss to 3 is crazy
there should be a poll on what S:P will be at before every banlist announcement now.
TCG players post shit like this from the only format that hasn't hit Snake eyes yet
Not our fault
The whole community wants OSS banned
@@thephilosophyminor However, that's a really fucking stupid want that shows that Konami shouldn't listen to us since it's not even part of Snake-Eye's mainline combo, and instead just ends up being a consistency hit.
@@lyncario5515OSS is how the deck plays through interruption a significant enough time while also being a great consistency hit
@@thephilosophyminor casually ignore flameberge being what it is
@@lyncario5515issue is snake eyes is hard to gut. In master duel they have ash and wanted to 1. Basically killing pure completely. Yet Oss just makes fire king snake eyes the best deck. Even with one ash one poplar 0 oak one wanted one diabelle, snake eyes will be in the meta as long as oss exists to pivot into fire king. Plus we all know if they hit snake eyes in the tcg without banning oss the day consort is released snake eyes will be tier 1 again. There is no way to gut snake eyes now and in the future to tier 3 or so without killing it. As long as oss exists it will be meta in the future. You HAVE to ban oss unless we're never releasing consort. Only way to hit it to below tier 2 is poplar ban or oss ban with some consistency hits, But poplar ban is brutal.
lol chummy existing will have zero impact on banning Maxx C. People kept thinking the bug will be banned years ago and for years in the future they still will think OCG will be like TCG lol
All this tcg bozo keep cry for ocg to ban max c😂, leave us alone you konami milk machine
Sometimes people want to feel like they bullied Konami into doing stuff when they really don't give a shit what TCG players think.
3 Colossus is a HUGE difference, because it wasn't JUST used for being a floodgate at the end of a combo. It was used as Rank 8 material and then the turn would end with multiple on the field, so opponents wouldn't be able to search just by having opened an Imperm.
Farfa, come on, sir. They 're not going to hit Soushokusuru G (Maxx "C") after releasing Tactical Try Evil Twin and Tactical Try Cyber Dragon on June 8th if their goal is to get new players into the game in OCG territories.
Imagine buying a company created "introductory product” for getting into competitive paper yugioh ["Designed to be played at a tournament" (Source: the marketing announcement)], only for said company to ban two cards from the deck when said company is having issues getting new players.
another point: the tactical try decks are getting a second batch prints to be released on August. Safe to say Maxx C isn't getting banned for the entire year.
An idea that occurred to me during this video is what if the real reason they made Chummy was so they could eventually introduce a weaker maxx C to the TCG in an odd attempt to make the format resemble the OCG more for some reason?
Funny because if chummy is ever abused in the tcg it's likely to just get banned like Maxx c if that's their plan. Not a very stable idea.
how is Glow-Up Bulb an issue when you got turbo summoning/removal/combo with fire monsters in current meta?
that is probably why its being released, they want at the very least plant synchro to be a contender
The card was already at 1 and is one per duel
Yeah Bulb at 3 from 1 doesn’t change much for the decks that would run it beyond just boosted consistency to open it. The actual effect is once per duel.
@@mrharvy100dont people always just run 1 anyway? Most i've seen was 2.
Usually 1
RIP Catapult Turtle, certainly one of the most OP cards in YuGiOh
Beatrice limited is only because Konami want to sell Fiendsmith, next banlist i think it's getting banned and perhaps pushing for water meta
They will never hit Maxx "C" over there. They're probably thinking that it's still a necessary evil to keep combo decks in check
Can't stop glue eaters from eating glue.
Losing two copies of number 40… the ftk is gonna be really hard now
The intro to catapult turtle had me 💀
Ngl deployment suppression goes hard.
It's funny that the one guy who should be knowledgeable about Beatrice doesn't understand why a limit actually does something.
can you elaborate for us that don't follow the OCG meta? What decks use 2 Beatrices?
Beatrice is a soft once per turn and can be looped.
@@Alexalibur13 yes. I am aware of that. So what deck(s) in the OCG right now, especially of meta relevance, is playing Beatrice at more than 1 that supposed makes this limit meaningful?
i saw the catapult turtle ban and thought this was a joke
It's just a late April fools don't worry guys
TBF banning all the tribute to burn cards seems like the smart move.
theres like 10 of them
@@OsirusHandle Yeah, and the OCG already banned the cannon soldiers. All that's left when it comes to repeatable sac outlets is the double sac in MK-2 and amazoness archer atp.
@@UncleJrueForTueCannon Soldiers MK-2 and Amazoness Archer are banned in the OCG too.
@@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N Curses, foiled again. I'll have to find another way.
I mean THEY'LL* have to find another way... yeah that's it.
@@UncleJrueForTuejegus dude you're a super villain
I thought the Catapult Turtle on thumbnail was a meme
No way it's actually real, this is so funny
When Lady Beatrice of the Abyss is no longer Eternal.........
10:30 - ready for Farfa to complain about Gimmick Puppet post INFO
Ash continuing to pay for Poplar's sins.
Wanted paying for OSS sins
Why does Konami like dominant Tier 1 formats? Because now that Snake Eye is crazy and isnt getting hit, but in Unchained-RescueAce-SuperHeavy was a diverse format they killed those decks
because secondary market allows them ot make extra money on pack/bins openings
Thats why i dont understand the pople that think tcg is best banlist, what a joke keep banning cheap card and keep expensive card alive😂
Because money. In a game without set rotation, the only way Konami can get people to buy new cards is to continue making them increasingly obsolete.
But from a competitive standpoint: a more skewed format is easier to side for. Like, AGOV is going to be great to go back to as a time wizard format, but when we were boots on the ground playing that format while it was going on, it was really hard to build side decks for that format and a lot of competitive players were bitching because of it (even though that's kind of the point of an unsolved format, because the game's more fun with its less figured out).
OCG Yugioh competes with way more other cardgames than TCG so straight up banning decks into unplayability leads to players who bought into those decks potentially switching games to Weiss Schwarz, Vanguard, Digimon, Onepiece etc.
OCG is also way more casual and filled with Petdeckers who only play the game for their pet deck, thats why most decks are playable in the ocg but held back by maxx c and consistency hits.
@@luminous3558 yes yugioh competes with a larger variety of games in the ocg but it seems much more dominant in Japan than the yugioh tcg is in the west just on shop presence alone.
Yugioh there is like what mtg is here from I’ve seen, that is the vastly more dominant game with the others placed around it.
Deployment Suppression is a great increasingly verbose phrase for floodgate I will now be using. thx YGO JP!
Real talk, if Konami won’t ban Flamebridge or Poplar, what’s the *gameplay* reasoning for keeping Masterplan or Quick fix on the list?
Sangen summoning is worst at more than one copy since they can just get a second copy with paidra if it dies. This at least prevents them from going down the trident dragion line with 6k atk on him if you pop it
i still believe tcg and md should ban corridor and unlimited colossus as well, thunder dragons need the man
Honestly same! Corridor is the real problem. Making it splashable
But isn't Catapult turtle in the gaia structure deck? They're banning cards from the structure deck now.
Catapult Turtle was banned because of a Numeron Dragon FTK.
Thanks god they finally killed that magical scientist deck
I wouldn't expect Maxx C being banned in OCG when they just released the Tactical Try Decks where the card is included. Maybe if they start releasing new TTDs where Maxx C is not included it will mean its a sign.
no we love maxx c
Chummy is just the start of archetypal Cs that co exists with normal C, actually
Gimmick puppet of strings is kinda sad for the deck but won't really change much, you're just more dead than before if you fail to ftk going first
That Bullying your will be family to Banned
time seal was limited because there were loops for it. it was never good except if looped. the traditional combo was mask of darkness and tsukiyomi to repeatedly get it back and loop it essentially preventing your opponent from drawing after the first activation. there are probably better ways to loop it these days tbh so I will be unsurprised if it gets hit again because someone found a degenerate draw lock out.
That was also during a time when games went on for a lot more turns.
@@Golladan tbf any deck looking to loop time seal is going to be intentionally dragging out the game. it's like fiber jar where you probably aren't doing it because you want to win you are doing it because you find it fun to make sure nobody else is having fun.
Honestly, it feels kinda weird that chummy is not released first as tcg exclusive to test the water where maxx c is banned.
One thing people always complain about is the 1 to 2 to 3.
while then ignoring the times things go to 3, example being Colossus this list.
it's exceptionally inconsistent, the TCG also does this with completely unviable cards, inzektors ether and post errata chaos emperor.
OCG Tenpai players were starting to side in a Horus Catapult Turtle FTK.
I thought catapult turtle was once per turn
@@undeadinside3571 Yeah, the monster they bring out ends up with 17k ATK.
I just find it insane that Master Duel is still running complete non-sense bans that hurt garbage decks be even more garbage. Like why tf is Time Seal or Ib still banned in MD? They are releasing a new banlist for OCG but they couldn't change a few integers in MD to accompany it? Like, what are they genuinely even doing?
The Worlds qualifiers in MD just ended, we should be getting a banlist pretty soon. That being said, MD lists are very hit or miss, so I'm not holding my breath for a format saving list by any means.
Like how terraforming and beast king of the swamp are banned cuz konami doesn't want to ban ur tear cards in md :(
@@dhanyl2725 yeah and thanks to that we can still play tear.
I came here to understand why on earth the old school turtle got banned 🐢
To be fair, do we even know how OCG players think about Maxx C.? And by that I mean the Japanese market
As OCG player, I can say, "You get used to it" and will consider it 'part of the game'
There's of course some OCG players that don't like Maxx C, but they rarely make a rant about it and not the Majority. Most OCG Player just accept that it exist, and build the deck with "Playing around Maxx C" in mind.
Though, if Maxx C banned one day, you definitely will see various reaction, as the game will definitely change a lot, as we no longer has "Playing around Maxx C" in mind when choosing and building deck.
As OCG player, I will start flood these Catapult FTK. and wait how TCG respond that
So my biggest fear is true... That they release chummy not to replace Maxx c, but cus they think Maxx C not enough with 1 card combo became popular... God please proof me wrong.
That'd mean the powercreep is going to be worse than pote :(
They rarely give people a replacement for a card they are going to ban. They could make something even better than Maxx C and ban the original as long as it gets you to keep buying product. They don't have to do you any favors first. That's what they really think of their players.
"There's always an American on the internet..." Well, excuse me Mister Farfa. We are sowing the seeds of DEMOCRACY 😂
4:08 pretty sure the hesitance to keep timeseal under control relies on the fact is a normal trap.
meaning transaction rollback can cheat it out and labrynth can steup a way of activating it in the turn its set.
Rollback can exploit Girl Meets Girl which is way better then Time Seal, but in actual practice no real competitive Lab list runs that card. Lab has even less reason to tech in Time Seal.
if removing your opponent's turn 1 draw really was good, decks would just play drastic drop off which is better in every way because it's more flexible and your opponent can't chain to it. DDO sees absolutely zero play because cards can do more than just trade 1 for 1 with your opponent randomly and only when going first.
Time Seal Lab will be a meme probably, but you're taking out other traps to play a card that is only really good going first. Besides, you can already handrip 2 before your opponent gets to play if you want to, Time Seal isn't giving the deck anything that they didn't already have.
@@mrharvy100it's also possible that most lab players aren't the brightest tools on the shack. That guy who made it to top 4 in UK Nats playing that linear cannon card did something most lab players never seriously considered and now you'll probably see copycats springing up. If that card you mentioned is that good then someone will probably end up causing a similar upset W it.
In the year 2024 of our lord and savior MBT, the only bans are DM era cards. That probably should of been banned in 2004 and 2007
Now i get it. OCG will never ban maxx c. It makes sense because they don't want to copy TCG ever! Because this is a Japanese game originally. Instead they want TCG to be more like ocg. That's why they release mult so that when worlds comes around the ocg players can use something similar to maxx c.
Personally, I think if they were going to more or less unify the lists, they would have done it by now. However, I think Maxx C being unbanned in TCG is more likely than OCG banning Maxx C
@@NvrPhazed I agree I don't think tcg will ever unban Maxx c otherwise players will revolt. I just think they're introducing mult chummy for ocg players playing in world's who are used to Maxx c like cards. Also it might be too soon to say Maxx c won't get banned in ocg until we see the rest of mult chummy arctype. They will probably be one for extra deck special summons and one for main deck/graveyard special summons. Then ocg will have to make a big decision. Let me just say that for tcg players we are chilling because these mult chummy cards will be way more far than Maxx c will ever be. Ocg will be chaotic.
@akuma2095 Honestly wouldn't mind maxx c at 1. My main issue is that too many duels are affected by it. Also annoying that 6-10 cards in your deck are already decided in MD depending on archetype just from its existence at 3. It really stunts creativity
You expect an ocg banlist that makes sense :vvvv
It only happens once in a blue moon bro
And as an md only (I've quitted tcg and don't wanna play ocg) it makes me hella salty that the cheaper formats have worse banlists
Obviously this means we need Maxx C to come to 3 in TCG
Maxx C ban wagoners are a bunch of copium huffers. If anything, Mult gets banned and the TCG gets scuffed Maxx C as Komoney intended. OCG players are already saying Mult does nothing though.
Funny thing is that if TCG mass adopts Chummy it will just prove that the ocg is 100% correct about maxx C. And it's gonna be hilarious to see it.
@@admontblanc Yes exactly. I can't wait to see what happens once it comes to the TCG
@@admontblanc Why would they be correct? The card is strong so it will see play, every card that is banned and should be banned would see play if legal.
TCG doesnt want maxx c legal because it would be everywhere and turn half the games into non-games.
@@luminous3558 TL:DR
Multchummy is mid when you have Maxx c because the cards have anti-synergy.
That’s why we thought it might go because who’s going to play multichummy when you can play Maxx C? Evidently no one.
Guess they just made it to give the tcg a weaker Maxx C so they can keep printing lazily designed degenerate combo decks.
time seal needs a first turn activate trap card to be maybe feasiblely not completely unuseful. rollback has many better proactive first turn targets and reactive targets and even if it can be activated same turn set it needs an hand emptier to be useful.
Ghost meets Girl is theoretically a strong Rollback target and no real Lab list runs that card either. I highly doubt Lab competitively will use time seal over literally any other much better trap tech
even if it did that its so trash. The cards that can empty a whole hand are way more problematic than the thing that "infinitely" locks down the draw afterwards.
Remember we can actually just otk turn 3 so we dont need time seal ever.
If Time Seal is unbanned in MD I am 100% playing that shit in Lab with Yata. It may not be good, but it's funny
There is a loop that Junks can pull off to loop Time Seal / Pyro Clock of Destiny (First turn Final Countdown!) using Junk Collector, DDR, and Primal Seed.
YES THE COLOSSAL IS FREEEE “Reeeeeeeeeeeee”
I sometimes use Spyral in Master Duel but, it's not as broken as people think
So, do Japanese players hate Maxx C? Like people wanted to be banned in a format they don't play. And because it didn't happen, I imagine they aren't that bothered by the little bug.
@firstnamelastname6601 they're in am abusive relationship
Japanese does not hate Maxx C remotely like TCG does. They don’t mind it.
@@firstnamelastname6601 mainly because their format iswarped around maxx C being legal, and checking their side decks will show that at the very least they devote space on it to deal with the potential of maxx C
I remember farfa did a vidoe where Japanese players complained about maxx c like other players. I also remember an OCG player (who got first in the MD duelist cup I think) telling Farfa that he'd like to play the TCG just to not deal with maxx c.
@@flamewizard9022 majority dont mind max c, Farfa just pick that one player to push TCG agenda to build the narative OCG also hates max c
They hit Snake Ash but they still let Poplar on the loose.
Yaaaay now farfa can play Dracopals again! 🎉🎉
love hearing people dissapointed that Maxx C is still legal
What if they print burning abyss support?
Beatrice to 1? That's it. I'll start a hostile takeover against Konami.
at this point, combo decks are so incomprehensibly ridiculous that I want maxxc back at tcg to watch the challenges
Ok spyral is master duel is untuched the problem with that deck is that it dies too 1 kaiju kaijuing a 4 mat apo gets ridn of 5 negates cuz it breaks the u link or 1 dark ruler or 1 droplett or 2 generic board brakers and the deck is realy sesepteble too targeted negashion or lingering floorgates
oh wait true that's why I felt like wait something was missing...
OCG looking at the possibility of a deck that can turbo out a monster with 16K ATK and an unsearchable Level 5 on turn 1 and it's the Level 5 is the problem is as silly as them looking at a deck that can spit out 15 bodies to do nothing other than be tribute fodder and thinking the problem is the card tributing them.
Seventh Tachyon can search Catapult Turtle, which itself can be searched, so Tachyon Horus FTK is actually pretty consistent. It just dies to Imperm/Veiler like most FTKs, but if your opponent doesn't have it...
@@wolfboy414_lachowever, if they have Transmigration you can't do shit. It's a scary ftk because Transmigration puts it on the level of Danger ftk W azatoth, a hyper consistent ftk with a way to stop handtraps from disrupting it.
@@wolfboy414_lac😂 it search the trap first, then proceed to ftk under tacyon transmigation protection.
I thought turtle was a once per turn effect now
If you can make a monster with 16000+ atk turtle can still ftk/otk your opponent.
yep but in the end it doesn't matter when u can still do ftk by tributing 16k atk numeron dragon
@@amr3731i forgot about that! 😂 that exists at a competitive level now? 😂
@@undeadinside3571 yep, tachyon cards can make consistent ftk and make catapult turtle searchable. even horus has been doing ftk with it now.
Colossus to 3 is based.
So snake smith is so good that Colossus can be at three.
So Maxx "C" to 6.... nice bro One Bad Day tier 0? lmfaooo
Evil Roach will never die!!!!
This list sucks, how do they always forget to ban Skull servant
no way maxx c would be banned before a big tournament, IF hes gonna get banned is in the next one
Why is everyone in their mother complaining about maxx c when ash blossom exists?
Bruh Hand Control was 20 years ago, not 10 lmao
Deployment suppression 😂
SPYRAL is lacking in today's format, they need extra support to be good again. I've been using Spyral+Horus on MD and I'm getting outclassed by meta decks with ease. *cough* still waiting for a labyrinth or tearlaments ban.
Where's maxx C?
Blud dont even play the OCG format gtfo
S.P limits is for the 3 vs. 3 format 😪
Imagine coping so hard that they will ban Maxx C
Imagine being Hardleg
I mean…..this is the one time the cope was reasonable
@@deadlineuniverse3189by the logic of chummy coming out to ban Maxx c do you think Dominus Purge was printed to ban ash blossom?
TCG players coped on this for years and will continue to cope on this for many more years to come.
Let me dream :(
Maxx C to me, is no different than any other broken thing in YGO these days. It’s just an absurd broken effect on one card instead of requiring a combo. YGO has become so incredibly frustrating and unsatisfying to play, that it really is negligible for me, at least the games over faster if I play Maxx C and they surrender, or vice versa. In a scale of 1 to 10 on the toxic scale, Maxx C is a 9, No Maxx C is an 8. I’ve been playing this game on and of for nearly 20 years, and I don’t really know if people know how much has changed. I watched Farfa’s original Table 500s recently, I remember thinking some of those end boards and combos were completely degenerate, now that shit looks like absolute child’s play. I knew it was like this, but seeing it again really opened my eyes. This game has been drilled down to its most binary form, I literally don’t know where it goes from here, it literally can’t get any faster unless we have a game 0.
Game Zero is when you play Rock, Paper, Scissors before the star
>Circular still roaming free
LMAO, TCG is a joke.
And it's doing nothing so who cares
@@mustafaoh9866 exactly, Konami stop being clowns and free Circular already.
@@UziOmega card is broken shut the fuck up
Yup. Circular ban is a W for OCG.
No shit “it doesn’t see play” when TCG is in a Tier 0 meta as Indianapolis shown.
Cope as hell to go “Circular is not a problem because there is another deck that is ALSO a problem”.
Maxx c being legal negates ur argument
14:54
Pepe slander detected opinion rejected
Nah, I'd love for it to be back, but it really isn't
Time seal could be good for hand rip decks.