I love how well spoken Zach is, coupled with his ability to discuss pretty heavy/important topics while making it still "haha funnee", I'm honestly jealous. He's got a fantastic mind.
That really got to me too when he was doing his shmucks podcast and had on Michael from Vsauce. That discussion is very intelligent and philosophical, but Zach still makes it funny somehow
Tomain poisoning sounds like something that Zach would make up about Tomar, but then go back in time and inject the word into society to laugh about it in the present
Love it when you guys have Zach on your show, beyond the obvious factor of him being interesting on his own there's also a lot of chemistry in terms of interviewer and interviewee that make your discussions about anything fun to listen to. I hope you really do follow up with him in January!
The whole thing about Shaq, he's talked about before. His father was a huge influence in his life and basically taught him to take any opportunity he could and not complain about anything because not everyone gets the same opportunities that he does.
The reason Shaq is always in commercials for The General is because they were the only insurers to give him a reasonable insurance rate when he was a broke college kid, and he's been a loyal customer ever since.
@@wonderguardstalker Can't link the article, but he is absolutely picky about who he works with. A direct quote from him. “I look at them as partnerships. I’m very picky. If I’m not in tuned to the product, if I don’t like the product, I won’t do it.”
@@ranchdubois8990 his episode of sneaker shopping with complex is really eye opening he’s all about affordability for poor disenfranchised people even though he’s a multi millionaire
I was definitely bit by the "learn obscure things to fuel your creativity" bug in college. I wrote a 2 act play that follows Frankenstein's Monster going through a theological exploration of how to live with itself after the events of the book. And I got the idea because I got super autistically into studying the history of Antarctica.
I think if AI could generate personalised art then people would start seeing themselves as curators: "The movie the computer spat out for ME is way better than the movie the computer spat out for you."
To be fair, that’s the main criteria for AI to generate art I think. The whole debate when the camera came out was that they thought taking a picture took no effort, but the artists hand was what made them believe it could be art. So I think people curating what the AI generates is what would make it art
And I bet people might trade their AI art with each other, curating bespoke collections. "This movie was made for x, and this music was made for y. You gotta watch em back to back, it's a whole new experience" because I don't think we as a species can help but curate beautiful little moments for each other
does anybody else think it'll be bad for art in? Either the AI will make a mathematically perfect hugbox for everyone that's comforting and not challenging in any way, or people will be so malleable to it, it'll be able to shape people's thoughts and behaviors to whatever it wants. If it's a paperclip maximizer the result will not be good
I totally agree with Zach on the discussion about basically getting a thicker skin / learning the realities of life through exposure. As a 9-1-1 dispatcher I came into the job pretty desensitized because of the internet, and while not something I'd encourage, definitely prepared me a little bit for what I've been doing for the last 3 years.
I do agree but i also disagree with the idea that us younger people are desensitized to hardship. Discounting someones situation, we have the problem of being bombarded with bad news from the moment we were born. Personal hardship is hard, but the slow hopelessness that comes from being bombarded with tragedy has done shit to ppl
I think its a balance. We can't have people become desensitized to it, but we also can't let people not experience it. Young people have been randomly shown people blowing their brains out on tiktok without any warning. That shits crazy to me.
@@iharpo9292 I think the difference is that we young people are cognisant of the issues in the world in a way the older generations weren't thanks to the internet, but we do not have the lived experience, and perspective to go along with it. Older people actually lived through those hardships and could come out of the other end having gained resilience, or perspective on life. The lack of experience paired with the near omnipresent level of information in our hands itself breeds despondency and learned helplessness in people
it’s so realistic that i’m sure he’s been stuck around abusive people. he gaslights so easily, turns blame around. he has certainly interacted with narcissists in close quarters.
Zach's ability to conjure descriptive, hilarious bits in a split second is insane. "Yeah Jimmy Carter building houses with a big bruise on his head." LIKE WHAT IM CRYING
Zach is such a creative guy, I love listening to his takes on things unrelated to comedy. Really puts a fascinating perspective on who he is, besides just being known as the funny nose man
i wish zach would be a permanent part of the create unknown. these three have amazing chemistry. its fun to hear zach have an intelligent conversation with well educated people.
1:28:07 One of the reasons it's so enjoyable to listen to people like Zack, Mike, and Oney talk is because they don't have this air of ignorance about them. They'll say "oh, do you know about this?" and they'll actually remember it! I feel as if a most people out there are really forgetful, or merely feign ignorance when presented with a niche topic that they almost definitely have some familiarity with. Not sure why, but it's so refreshing when one meets somebody to whom you don't have to explain everything like they've never seen it before.
@@DaJodad he probably understands the words he's writing. But what he's saying is confusing. He doesn't like when people don't know something niche and thinks they are just forgetful. when they could have not known what they are talking about or got it mixed up with something else.
I enjoy the random bullshit in the backgrounds of Smiling Friends. Visiting Pim's house and gradually having millions of children running around was hilarious.
holy god i hate knowing exactly what video zach is talking about at 18:58 because its the most harrowing shit ever and the entire incident happened over a mattress, zach literally tells this story everytime he’s on a podcast and i think about it all day everytime i hear the story.
The pipe thing caught my attention because there's these holes that lead to huge cave openings that I used to put bricks down, I remember hearing someone talking through it and they screamed in pain when I put a brick down it
Zach is on point with the AI art. When I first saw AI art it reminded me of when photography was invented and artists responded with abstract and expressionist art. Now you can type in wherever you want plus “Van Gogh style” or “sad mood” and it’ll figure something out within nine variations. I only hope human artists survive in the way realism artists have despite photography.
I am not very educated on many subjects . But I would hope that people would wanna buy things like paintings from real people over a machine . Part of the charm is imperfections. The reason you buy a painting in my opinion is like having a part of the person . I want art that is truly a raw form of expression . Like the whole point of it is to have something that came from an individual. But who knows maybe ai creations are just so stimulating that they make artists truly obsolete .
@@robbie5936 you say that but people still go to Michaels and Hobby Lobby and Ikea to buy the same machine-made fake paintings/prints and all the cookie cutter wall decor.
@@AndrewCantDraw I honestly don't think so, if only for the fact that you can't have a conversation with an AI. You could be the best concept artist in the world but if you can't talk to your clients/coworkers you're getting fired in a week.
@@AndrewCantDraw Concept Artists are going to adapt faster than anyone. Have you ever seen these folk photobashing stuff together and then painting in the other detail? It's crazy, and it shows that their trade isn't just illustrating things, it's visualizing ideas.
Fun fact about Tolkien, he was obsessed with theories about the "Inner Earth." According to his family, he would obsessly collect explorer logs and such, and thus called it "Middle Earth."
I personally can't wait until every episode of Family Guy is personalized by my AI masterminds. Maybe then I'll finally be able to see Mr. Peterschmidt in all his glory in the actual show
27:25 I know exactly what zach means tho. As i teenage girl i had the true crime phase many teen girls have rather than a live leak phase like a lot of teen boys do. It did instill more palpable and visceral caution of strangers and sketchy situations in me more powerfully than any advice my parents could give. I remember when I was 17 and jogging some guy tried to ask me to help him with his car parked over by the woods and I almost ALMOST agreed because he seemed so normal but had flashes of all the gruesome excessive details crime media has shared about what can happen to people in abductions and I just said I couldn’t and ran off. There’s definitely a bell curve of just enough exposure to scary fucked up videos online can maybe be a good influence on young people to just be more careful and aware of their mortality. Before the point that it just makes you overly desensitized and depressed. It’s exactly why like boogie man stories are told to children because a story and it’s imagery and human detail has a stronger impression that can deter young people from bad split second choices Videos of people dying keep teen boys from like climbing tall buildings for fun or crossing the street without looking or drag racing. Make-up crime channels telling tales about women being torture murdered keeps teen girls on alert, traveling in groups and always with a contingency plan to make them less vulnerable to falling prey to sickos. I’m exaggerating but both of those kind of messed up morbid genres seem to have a purpose for the viewer, if you squint lol
“Liveleak phase” as an 18 year old, the whole idea of that is like absolutely foreign to me. Although I go in and out of “true crime” stuff. Mainly like TH-cam videos of people with like 300 subs talking about the most nutty stuff.
So for the scurvy thing is yeah they didn't know vitamin C existed, but they knew that citrus fruit mixed water and juices fixed it. the slang for british "limeys" came from the british ration of lime juice for sailors which they used to replace lemon and oranges that they didn't have access to.
I agree with the statement that many people that are younger today don't experience real pain or loss in a significant way enough to affect how they view self-preservation or impact their future decisions. When you see someone get hurt or a loved one get injured in a really bad way, up close, you really start to value things a little differently. I remember, still to this day, the insane amount of blood pouring from my younger sister's head when she fell and split her skull open at a playground/park when we were younger. I remember my mom just rushing us all to the car and blood pouring down the back of the seat she was sitting in as we were rushing to the hospital--Just an insane amount. In a bizarre way, I actually think that older generations witnessing people getting injured or hurt or dying more frequently is what has led us to where we are with that situation. You don't want your loved ones to get hurt---So you improve or impact the world around you so that things are better for the next generation. As we move further and further down the line, people get less and less exposure to those kinds of situations, which means that younger and younger generations have really no concept of those things existing. Zach said it best; it's great that we've made things safer---But it's also entirely divorced the average person from reality of just how fragile people are. Zach further extending that point to the 90's "participation trophy" wave that has only escalated further and further up to today is an extrapolation of that.
Smiling friends is just beyond re-watchable it’s only been a year since it’s been out and I’ve already seen it 3 times and am currently on my 4th rewatch it just gets funnier every time always something new to appreciate
Insane that all the main ideas that I've had in my head for a whiiile and have never heard spoken about by another person, are now being talked about as like every topic on this podcast lmao. I feel like I've found my crowd lol, going to tune into more episodes!
The whole bit where they talk about the psychology of looking at things through a historical lens and having that self awareness of the importance or lack thereof of your own life experiences was fantastic. I've had that mindset for years and it was really great to hear someone else put those same thoughts into words.
I used to be terrified of heights to the point where I had trouble standing on stools. I got a job at a big box store in a stockroom where I had to climb ladders all day. I needed the job so I just manned up and my fears were gone in less than a week
My biggest issue with AI art is that I find almost more value in seeing the creative process and progression, from the artist in their work than, the work itself. I get into the thing because of the work, but I stay interested, truly interested and invested, because of the artist. It’s part of why Hideo Kojima games and the manga Jojos bizarre adventure are so infatuating to me. Because in the end there is always something better, no matter what genre or medium. But the authors Journey, creative process, and little unique traits (or even flaws) that the story has inserted from the artists personality is what truly makes me love something. I have a hard time seeing AI shoving in inherent flaws or quirks that many times just push people away from a work of art Alongside emulating the growth of an author as a series or story progresses.
This is gonna be the less popular stance going forward. Much like physical vs digital media, where physical collectors will always exist, but are rapidly being shoved aside due to the convenience of digital. The general public doesn't care, they just want something to hang on the wall.
I think there are failures and journey in some ai art. The progressive AI art that Alan Resnick made is genuinely artistic because it was a curated process by an artist to take an AI’s generated images and warp them through continuous generations. It’s an interesting thing, to me, AI works much better as a new medium than an artist replacer
@@ClintYeastwood420 yeah I've had access to Dall-E 2, and the more specific you are, the better your results tend to be. That said, if the AI includes text data in the future, it could generate billions of compelling and unique images on its own without a person being involved. It's only a matter of time.
I finally got around to watching this cuz I kept losing the video in my recommended feed and damn, Zach's opinion on AI is so much different than mine. I think that assuming AI has the power to create the best horror movie or tell the best joke ever is forgetting that art is literally the most subjective thing there is. There's no such thing as a right answer when it comes to art. Thinking that AI can make the perfect horror movie is like Disney thinking they can make the most inclusive and relatable movie. It comes to a point where by trying to check every single box for an audience they end up with a product that was made for nobody. There's an animation here on TH-cam called "Out of Sight" that makes me tear up every single time I watch it. No matter how many times I show it to other people no one has the same reaction I do because no one I've shown it to connect with that particular piece of media the way I connect with it. Perhaps AI will one day write a joke that I will find to be the funniest thing ever, but that doesn't mean that everyone else will be laughing with me.
Consistent audio levels is about the only thing that would make this podcast better. Have to turn my speakers down whenever Matt starts talking and back up whenever Kevin/Zach start talking.
i agree about the desensitization of gruesome things. comes down to survival and being able to react to traumatic situations instead of freezing. could save your life.
I think art is more interesting when you can connect it to the artist. Even bad art can be worth observing if only to see what someone attemped to convey. AI art would have its place but it would never replace the personal experience of art. An Ai would paint a thousand different sunsets a thousand different ways but just two artists would make two completely different sunsets and convey two different emotional stories behind the art. Ai would make a lot of pretty pictures but it lacks the self importance to tell us about itself or what it’s painting. Meanwhile art made manually exists to express, it needs to convey an idea, It has the necessary personality and relatability for people to resonate with it. Good art is more than aesthetics it conveys a human experience.
You're forgetting something that Zach barely touched on and that's the quantifiable nature of the human experience. ALL of it is ultimately data of some sort that an AI can take and make from. It's all the result of computable information down from our brains and supposed consciousness to the fundamental physics of the universe. This is the "not special" or nihilist part that Zach was trying to skirt. A future AI will be able to provide a better human experience than any human ever could, as paradoxical as that might sound. That said a AI of this sort is likely quite a long ways off, so long humans might not even be around anymore. Might not even be physically possibly too.
@@RH_54321 An AI can create the most amazing piece of art you’ve ever experienced, but knowing the intent and emotion behind the creation process will always matter. Humans will never ever be completely replaced in that sense. Just knowing that what you’re experiencing was made by a breathing meatbag just like yourself would allow you to resonate differently. AI-created media will absolutely be a thing, but will never completely replace humans.
@@RH_54321 If the AI got that advanced, there'd be no line between them and us. One of those huge human quantifiable data points is the emotional intent and experience. If the AI could perfectly copy that, it's no longer an AI, it's a person, and then we're just getting into scifi scenarios. If an AI had my exact capacity to lend intent and meaning and style and imperfection to art, I wouldn't feel "replaced" I'd just think of it as a fellow artist.
I usually don’t watch tv shows anymore but I kept seeing clips from the show that genuinely made me laugh. So I had to check out the show. All I can say is that I need more of it now!
My argument about the AI art stuff is whether an AI is capable of artistry. Is it capable of self expression? A lot of this AI art stuff we have now boils down to "create ______ in the style of _______" but could an AI create its own style? Could an AI paint Starry Night if Van Gogh didn't already exist? Also, if AI does create art, movies, books, video games whatever would it even be motivated by artistry or would it be motivated and designed to create based solely on profit motives? Sure maybe an AI could make the best work of art every made that hits an emotional core that has never been tapped, but would a general audience even want to watch that and thus would an AI even bother creating it? I feel like an AI would create things that appealed to the most people possible and try to appeal to modern trends over artistry which just seems like the world we live in today. I really think an AI would basically just create the equivalent of the modern Marvel movies or Call of Duty/Fortnite, so in a weird way I don't think a lot would change in regards to the quality of art. I feel like independent artists would find a way, but I think a lot of artists in professional fields like Hollywood or AAA game development losing their jobs would be the main casualty.
a lot of good insights into the creative process here. It always helps to hear other artist's struggles or boons. It's easy to get overwhelmed and the advice helps with motivation, if nothing else. I especially love the advice on consuming more knowledge or real world experiences. It's super obvious and you hear it all the time, but their perspective on avoiding the genre you want to create seems like such tangible advice, much more so than generic motivational shit like "just do it" or "never give up".
One of my questions for AI is will it be able to create something new? will it take risks with an idea? Or will it be the cliche machine that only does what worked before
I agree with how no matter how perfectly good AI could make things, it will still lack the personal connection. A song I really like is Hurt, but not the original Nine Inch Nails one. I really like the Johnny Cash cover and I think a good part of it is because of his connection he made with it and how he knew at that point how close to the end he was.
So weird that I just started rewatching these Zach episodes again 3 days ago. Delighted to have a 5th one! I was on TH-cam for 10 years and never broke 300 subs. Listened to all of the Create Unknown episodes with Zach, made a new channel, and almost as if it was fate I just applied for partner earlier today as this is uploaded. Thank you guys so much, I genuinely think each episode was important for getting me in the right mindset.
With the exposure therapy talk and Zach’s example, I was attacked by dogs when I was 4 and it wasn’t until I was 21 that I got over my fear of dogs. Just slowly overtime I got exposed to them and if I’d been properly exposed to them in a safe environment things could have been a lot better
i see, so what you're saying is, the green potion in smiling friends was 100% inspired from ptomaine poisoning and jimmy carters infamous "peanut milk" farm. it's all coming together. (little side note i realized i wanted to say, having watched a lot of other things with zach in it definitely gives a funnier perspective on the little things, like the "we do things a LITTLE differently" line for instance. refer to a certain oneyplays left for dead episode for that one!)
I've always had this thought about free will and how it's not always our choice to do something because everyone is interacting with each other in the entire world either personal or digital and these interactions that basically pinball bouncing off each other are affecting someone's life without knowing it and when a choice is made is it really because of your choice or the situation that has led up to that decision being made
What Zach said about how it's become too easy to avoid facing hardships in the world really struck a chord with me. The problem is that there are joys in life that are nearly impossible to experience without first experiencing some amount of stress, fear, discomfort or pain (i.e. asking someone out, adventuring, raising children, creating something artistic) and, if given the option of some safer, cheaper simulations of those experiences (i.e. consuming Netflix, porn, social media, video games etc.), many people will simply stick with those and never go for what will give them real fulfilment in life.
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I watch anything with Zach in it, no question.
I love oney and friends but Zach is a brilliant mind.
You're goddamn right.
Would you watch a video of Zach getting beheaded by Isis? HUH?? HUH?!??!?!
zach is truly my favorite specimen
@@d3adxb0yxwalk1ng indeed
Not even an hour in and Zach is already talking about yellow and brown bile
butt mustard
It's a slippery slope to Green Cumulons from there.
@@joshjames582 I CAN’T DO GREEN! THAT’S MAYBE THE ONE THING HE HAS ON ME! I’VE BEEN TRAINING, I CAN DO ORANGE, BUT I CAN’T DO GREEN!
Hes just a dedicated humorist
@@morganwardfilm damn that’s clever
For all humanity's flaws, as long as people like Zach are around, things ain't that bad
Fr just a grounded view on the good and the bad of it all, and to still strive to entertain and enjoy life and live with how things are
what about theeee republicans....
@@abcengenir3309 tf? Are political parties stuck in your head you have to mention them everywhere u go lmao
@@springtrap2550 theeee republicans (sips tea)
@@abcengenir3309 i
I love how well spoken Zach is, coupled with his ability to discuss pretty heavy/important topics while making it still "haha funnee", I'm honestly jealous. He's got a fantastic mind.
I'm convinced he is actually a genius. His humor, speed at reading a room, creativity, etc. Very smart little gremliesque creature
@@skinnysnorlax1876muthafugga gotta have at least like, 50,001 IQ points.
That really got to me too when he was doing his shmucks podcast and had on Michael from Vsauce. That discussion is very intelligent and philosophical, but Zach still makes it funny somehow
The ha ha factor comes from his voice
He's a young boy genius
The "perfect Hitler copy" hypothetical will follow Chris to the grave
Timestamp?
@@jacksonhodge4638 sorry bro i don't remember.
@@jacksonhodge4638 1:46:15
I mean yeah it’s a genuinely good question
It's 100% justified, our experiences shape us more than our genetics, which can do some things but behavior>Birth-ior
Tomain poisoning sounds like something that Zach would make up about Tomar, but then go back in time and inject the word into society to laugh about it in the present
wtf 😂
Love it when you guys have Zach on your show, beyond the obvious factor of him being interesting on his own there's also a lot of chemistry in terms of interviewer and interviewee that make your discussions about anything fun to listen to. I hope you really do follow up with him in January!
Well said 🎉
They will for sure I think this is his favorite podcast to get interviewed on
"The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good giant with a gun" -Zach
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a practitioner of Shaq-Fu.
The whole thing about Shaq, he's talked about before. His father was a huge influence in his life and basically taught him to take any opportunity he could and not complain about anything because not everyone gets the same opportunities that he does.
The reason Shaq is always in commercials for The General is because they were the only insurers to give him a reasonable insurance rate when he was a broke college kid, and he's been a loyal customer ever since.
@@ranchdubois8990 Yeah, reportedly, Shaq only endorses stuff he truly loves.
That’s just not true lol. Hes an entrepreneur, he doesn’t “truly love” all those things
@@wonderguardstalker Can't link the article, but he is absolutely picky about who he works with. A direct quote from him.
“I look at them as partnerships. I’m very picky. If I’m not in tuned to the product, if I don’t like the product, I won’t do it.”
@@ranchdubois8990 his episode of sneaker shopping with complex is really eye opening he’s all about affordability for poor disenfranchised people even though he’s a multi millionaire
I was definitely bit by the "learn obscure things to fuel your creativity" bug in college.
I wrote a 2 act play that follows Frankenstein's Monster going through a theological exploration of how to live with itself after the events of the book.
And I got the idea because I got super autistically into studying the history of Antarctica.
Is that play in like a Google doc or something, I wanna read jt
Where could you read that? Also nice seeing you here.
Bro you did all of that AND you're a talking sock? Hats off to you. That sounds great though, congrats. Always do what you love.
Antarctica??? Okay okay now you've got me interested. I hope you have the opportunity to make this happen in some shape or form c:
I need the script
I think if AI could generate personalised art then people would start seeing themselves as curators: "The movie the computer spat out for ME is way better than the movie the computer spat out for you."
I mean it kinda is that way with NFTs. The art is generated
That’s a really interesting way to look at it
To be fair, that’s the main criteria for AI to generate art I think. The whole debate when the camera came out was that they thought taking a picture took no effort, but the artists hand was what made them believe it could be art. So I think people curating what the AI generates is what would make it art
And I bet people might trade their AI art with each other, curating bespoke collections. "This movie was made for x, and this music was made for y. You gotta watch em back to back, it's a whole new experience" because I don't think we as a species can help but curate beautiful little moments for each other
does anybody else think it'll be bad for art in? Either the AI will make a mathematically perfect hugbox for everyone that's comforting and not challenging in any way, or people will be so malleable to it, it'll be able to shape people's thoughts and behaviors to whatever it wants. If it's a paperclip maximizer the result will not be good
I totally agree with Zach on the discussion about basically getting a thicker skin / learning the realities of life through exposure. As a 9-1-1 dispatcher I came into the job pretty desensitized because of the internet, and while not something I'd encourage, definitely prepared me a little bit for what I've been doing for the last 3 years.
"God send help, I accidentally shot myself in the foot!"
"Baka XD"
@@slasher1563 This is 100% accurate, if you don't know what Evangelion is I literally hang up on you
I do agree but i also disagree with the idea that us younger people are desensitized to hardship. Discounting someones situation, we have the problem of being bombarded with bad news from the moment we were born. Personal hardship is hard, but the slow hopelessness that comes from being bombarded with tragedy has done shit to ppl
I think its a balance. We can't have people become desensitized to it, but we also can't let people not experience it.
Young people have been randomly shown people blowing their brains out on tiktok without any warning. That shits crazy to me.
@@iharpo9292 I think the difference is that we young people are cognisant of the issues in the world in a way the older generations weren't thanks to the internet, but we do not have the lived experience, and perspective to go along with it. Older people actually lived through those hardships and could come out of the other end having gained resilience, or perspective on life. The lack of experience paired with the near omnipresent level of information in our hands itself breeds despondency and learned helplessness in people
i really wish they would show an image of what they’re talking about when they acknowledge something from chat
Yeah pretty lame
Even Zach thought they would cut in the photos 😭
Frrr
I love how Zac can turn any situation into a domestic violence scenario, or some other situation where abuse or manipulation is taking place.
Learnt it from tomar
Yes he is a credit to his people
in all honesty, real life can just be that stupid crazy some times
it’s so realistic that i’m sure he’s been stuck around abusive people. he gaslights so easily, turns blame around. he has certainly interacted with narcissists in close quarters.
@@tonoornottono narcissist parents/families breed creative kids. Your baseline develops under the need to compete for the spotlight
“MOM, MOM! WAKE UP, THEY RE-UPLOADED THE NEWEST PODCAST EPISODE OF FUNNY VOICE MAN, THE FAMILY CAN NOW WATCH IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH!”
Is it bad that I imagined Zach Hadel saying that?
MOOOOOOmmie
@@nosferatu3726 well it’s basically a quote
"Lyle, Lyle, wake up!"
Zach's ability to conjure descriptive, hilarious bits in a split second is insane. "Yeah Jimmy Carter building houses with a big bruise on his head." LIKE WHAT IM CRYING
Zach is such a creative guy, I love listening to his takes on things unrelated to comedy. Really puts a fascinating perspective on who he is, besides just being known as the funny nose man
Ay what's up Stellar, hope your doing good
1:25:20 - Eyyyyy! Thanks for the mention! :D
Everyone wishes Zach talked more about Smiling Friends, but I'm happy this is the closest we'll get to another episode of Schmucks
Calling the fans of the show “Smiling Fans” is the obvious choice
"Brain, the dog. THE Brian, the dog" 🤣
i wish zach would be a permanent part of the create unknown. these three have amazing chemistry. its fun to hear zach have an intelligent conversation with well educated people.
my peanut farm withered
I can't believe Zach brought back the forgotten memories I had from Brian Pepper and the Bjork Stalker.
15:23 you hear that guys, if you want smormu back you need to get a tattoo
1:28:07 One of the reasons it's so enjoyable to listen to people like Zack, Mike, and Oney talk is because they don't have this air of ignorance about them. They'll say "oh, do you know about this?" and they'll actually remember it!
I feel as if a most people out there are really forgetful, or merely feign ignorance when presented with a niche topic that they almost definitely have some familiarity with. Not sure why, but it's so refreshing when one meets somebody to whom you don't have to explain everything like they've never seen it before.
What
@jonasl9068 See you're doing the exact opposite. It's not hard to understand what they said and I'm sure you do.
@@DaJodad he probably understands the words he's writing. But what he's saying is confusing. He doesn't like when people don't know something niche and thinks they are just forgetful. when they could have not known what they are talking about or got it mixed up with something else.
I enjoy the random bullshit in the backgrounds of Smiling Friends. Visiting Pim's house and gradually having millions of children running around was hilarious.
47:50 on that note, FDR was the 2nd kid in his family to be named Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR #1 didn't make it.
holy god i hate knowing exactly what video zach is talking about at 18:58 because its the most harrowing shit ever and the entire incident happened over a mattress, zach literally tells this story everytime he’s on a podcast and i think about it all day everytime i hear the story.
take yer swing
yep that one scarred me for life years ago, unlike any other video i've seen. still get anxious thinking about it.
"Iiiiiii doubt it" those words should not be so chilling. He wasn't wrong to shoot, but jesus christ
dumpster secured, america secured
@@CertainlySnazzy it's not even that bad wtf are you two talking about
The pipe thing caught my attention because there's these holes that lead to huge cave openings that I used to put bricks down, I remember hearing someone talking through it and they screamed in pain when I put a brick down it
Zach is on point with the AI art. When I first saw AI art it reminded me of when photography was invented and artists responded with abstract and expressionist art. Now you can type in wherever you want plus “Van Gogh style” or “sad mood” and it’ll figure something out within nine variations. I only hope human artists survive in the way realism artists have despite photography.
I am not very educated on many subjects . But I would hope that people would wanna buy things like paintings from real people over a machine . Part of the charm is imperfections. The reason you buy a painting in my opinion is like having a part of the person . I want art that is truly a raw form of expression . Like the whole point of it is to have something that came from an individual. But who knows maybe ai creations are just so stimulating that they make artists truly obsolete .
@@robbie5936 you say that but people still go to Michaels and Hobby Lobby and Ikea to buy the same machine-made fake paintings/prints and all the cookie cutter wall decor.
I think concept artists are going to be the first hit by an AI baseball bat.
@@AndrewCantDraw I honestly don't think so, if only for the fact that you can't have a conversation with an AI. You could be the best concept artist in the world but if you can't talk to your clients/coworkers you're getting fired in a week.
@@AndrewCantDraw Concept Artists are going to adapt faster than anyone. Have you ever seen these folk photobashing stuff together and then painting in the other detail? It's crazy, and it shows that their trade isn't just illustrating things, it's visualizing ideas.
i will listen to this when i fall asleep atleast 10 times until the new one
Zach is too used to having an editor bend to his will. Referencing the chat and we're missing all this stuff.
No, the podcast runners just need to put a bit more effort in and actually edit those photos into the video.
can’t believe zach died from tomar poisoning
the pipe is a well i think. we have one sticking out of our lawn
Fun fact about Tolkien, he was obsessed with theories about the "Inner Earth." According to his family, he would obsessly collect explorer logs and such, and thus called it "Middle Earth."
Smiling friends has so much merch potential.....people would go crazy over a Glep plush
Love how this podcast features Zach saying and repeatedly failing to dumb down and condense his ideas. Love that stinky genius
I personally can't wait until every episode of Family Guy is personalized by my AI masterminds. Maybe then I'll finally be able to see Mr. Peterschmidt in all his glory in the actual show
I could listen to Zach wax philosophically for 8 hours a day
Never in a hundred years did I expect to hear a conversation with Zach Hadel about Firing Line with Bill Buckley Jr. I’m not complaining.
Who cares
“Every artist is a cannibal
Every poet is a thief
All kill their inspiration
And sing about their grief”
~U2, The Fly
27:25 I know exactly what zach means tho. As i teenage girl i had the true crime phase many teen girls have rather than a live leak phase like a lot of teen boys do. It did instill more palpable and visceral caution of strangers and sketchy situations in me more powerfully than any advice my parents could give. I remember when I was 17 and jogging some guy tried to ask me to help him with his car parked over by the woods and I almost ALMOST agreed because he seemed so normal but had flashes of all the gruesome excessive details crime media has shared about what can happen to people in abductions and I just said I couldn’t and ran off.
There’s definitely a bell curve of just enough exposure to scary fucked up videos online can maybe be a good influence on young people to just be more careful and aware of their mortality. Before the point that it just makes you overly desensitized and depressed. It’s exactly why like boogie man stories are told to children because a story and it’s imagery and human detail has a stronger impression that can deter young people from bad split second choices
Videos of people dying keep teen boys from like climbing tall buildings for fun or crossing the street without looking or drag racing. Make-up crime channels telling tales about women being torture murdered keeps teen girls on alert, traveling in groups and always with a contingency plan to make them less vulnerable to falling prey to sickos. I’m exaggerating but both of those kind of messed up morbid genres seem to have a purpose for the viewer, if you squint lol
“Liveleak phase” as an 18 year old, the whole idea of that is like absolutely foreign to me. Although I go in and out of “true crime” stuff. Mainly like TH-cam videos of people with like 300 subs talking about the most nutty stuff.
I’d say they should keep both boys and girls equally from being kidnapped and groomed lol
So for the scurvy thing is yeah they didn't know vitamin C existed, but they knew that citrus fruit mixed water and juices fixed it. the slang for british "limeys" came from the british ration of lime juice for sailors which they used to replace lemon and oranges that they didn't have access to.
I agree with the statement that many people that are younger today don't experience real pain or loss in a significant way enough to affect how they view self-preservation or impact their future decisions. When you see someone get hurt or a loved one get injured in a really bad way, up close, you really start to value things a little differently. I remember, still to this day, the insane amount of blood pouring from my younger sister's head when she fell and split her skull open at a playground/park when we were younger. I remember my mom just rushing us all to the car and blood pouring down the back of the seat she was sitting in as we were rushing to the hospital--Just an insane amount.
In a bizarre way, I actually think that older generations witnessing people getting injured or hurt or dying more frequently is what has led us to where we are with that situation. You don't want your loved ones to get hurt---So you improve or impact the world around you so that things are better for the next generation. As we move further and further down the line, people get less and less exposure to those kinds of situations, which means that younger and younger generations have really no concept of those things existing. Zach said it best; it's great that we've made things safer---But it's also entirely divorced the average person from reality of just how fragile people are.
Zach further extending that point to the 90's "participation trophy" wave that has only escalated further and further up to today is an extrapolation of that.
Smiling friends is just beyond re-watchable it’s only been a year since it’s been out and I’ve already seen it 3 times and am currently on my 4th rewatch it just gets funnier every time always something new to appreciate
Zack started off in fight or flight and hit adrenal fatigue REAL FAST
“I’ve seen people who say im on like my 4th or 5th rewatch” meanwhile ive watched it at least 20 times
Insane that all the main ideas that I've had in my head for a whiiile and have never heard spoken about by another person, are now being talked about as like every topic on this podcast lmao. I feel like I've found my crowd lol, going to tune into more episodes!
The whole bit where they talk about the psychology of looking at things through a historical lens and having that self awareness of the importance or lack thereof of your own life experiences was fantastic. I've had that mindset for years and it was really great to hear someone else put those same thoughts into words.
That Russian brick dash cam vid is one of the most painful things I’ve ever seen or heard.
Haven’t seen about it but listening to people describe it is enough
How'd they manage to book Zach with his booked schedule of being both green and retired?
I was listening during lunch today, of course you used "because I bit you" for a thumbnail. from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
Kevin and Matt, gotta say love your stuff. One of the best creative podcasts out there.
Always here for more Zach content
I can’t wait for you guys to have him back
18:40 SOMEONE PLEASE DO FANART OF PIM AND CHARLIE AS THE “TAKE YER SWING” GUYS STANDING IN A DIRTY ALLEY HOLDING GUNS PLEASE I NEED THIS IN MY LIFE
1:32:20 Thanks great aunt ruth for twisting pebble's mind from just hearing about you
great episode with some really insightful and interesting discussions, always glad to hear Zach on the podcast
I used to be terrified of heights to the point where I had trouble standing on stools. I got a job at a big box store in a stockroom where I had to climb ladders all day. I needed the job so I just manned up and my fears were gone in less than a week
same with me and social anxiety, i just kept putting myself in social situations until it clicked and the fear was gone.
My biggest issue with AI art is that I find almost more value in seeing the creative process and progression, from the artist in their work than, the work itself. I get into the thing because of the work, but I stay interested, truly interested and invested, because of the artist. It’s part of why Hideo Kojima games and the manga Jojos bizarre adventure are so infatuating to me.
Because in the end there is always something better, no matter what genre or medium. But the authors Journey, creative process, and little unique traits (or even flaws) that the story has inserted from the artists personality is what truly makes me love something.
I have a hard time seeing AI shoving in inherent flaws or quirks that many times just push people away from a work of art
Alongside emulating the growth of an author as a series or story progresses.
This is gonna be the less popular stance going forward. Much like physical vs digital media, where physical collectors will always exist, but are rapidly being shoved aside due to the convenience of digital. The general public doesn't care, they just want something to hang on the wall.
I think there are failures and journey in some ai art. The progressive AI art that Alan Resnick made is genuinely artistic because it was a curated process by an artist to take an AI’s generated images and warp them through continuous generations. It’s an interesting thing, to me, AI works much better as a new medium than an artist replacer
@@ClintYeastwood420 yeah I've had access to Dall-E 2, and the more specific you are, the better your results tend to be. That said, if the AI includes text data in the future, it could generate billions of compelling and unique images on its own without a person being involved. It's only a matter of time.
Yeah. The progression is the art. Thats the very reason you want to see real mona lisa, not copy of it.
Zach is always an amazing guest.
I'm not even a big psychic pebbles fan but whenever he comes on i always watch, mainly because the conversations always devolve into chaos
Elephants also only paint from memory, similar to how faces in dreams are always remembered and not imagined.
I finally got around to watching this cuz I kept losing the video in my recommended feed and damn, Zach's opinion on AI is so much different than mine.
I think that assuming AI has the power to create the best horror movie or tell the best joke ever is forgetting that art is literally the most subjective thing there is. There's no such thing as a right answer when it comes to art.
Thinking that AI can make the perfect horror movie is like Disney thinking they can make the most inclusive and relatable movie. It comes to a point where by trying to check every single box for an audience they end up with a product that was made for nobody.
There's an animation here on TH-cam called "Out of Sight" that makes me tear up every single time I watch it. No matter how many times I show it to other people no one has the same reaction I do because no one I've shown it to connect with that particular piece of media the way I connect with it.
Perhaps AI will one day write a joke that I will find to be the funniest thing ever, but that doesn't mean that everyone else will be laughing with me.
Y’all have so much chemistry!
Zach for lunch at OneyPlays, Zach for dinner at TheCreateUnknown
1:40:00 "it'll be out when it's out... Great work ethic"
-Zach Trump
Scurvy was eliminated in the British navy in 1793 with limes, hence limeys
Consistent audio levels is about the only thing that would make this podcast better. Have to turn my speakers down whenever Matt starts talking and back up whenever Kevin/Zach start talking.
+1
i agree about the desensitization of gruesome things. comes down to survival and being able to react to traumatic situations instead of freezing. could save your life.
I think art is more interesting when you can connect it to the artist. Even bad art can be worth observing if only to see what someone attemped to convey. AI art would have its place but it would never replace the personal experience of art. An Ai would paint a thousand different sunsets a thousand different ways but just two artists would make two completely different sunsets and convey two different emotional stories behind the art. Ai would make a lot of pretty pictures but it lacks the self importance to tell us about itself or what it’s painting. Meanwhile art made manually exists to express, it needs to convey an idea, It has the necessary personality and relatability for people to resonate with it. Good art is more than aesthetics it conveys a human experience.
You're forgetting something that Zach barely touched on and that's the quantifiable nature of the human experience. ALL of it is ultimately data of some sort that an AI can take and make from. It's all the result of computable information down from our brains and supposed consciousness to the fundamental physics of the universe. This is the "not special" or nihilist part that Zach was trying to skirt. A future AI will be able to provide a better human experience than any human ever could, as paradoxical as that might sound. That said a AI of this sort is likely quite a long ways off, so long humans might not even be around anymore. Might not even be physically possibly too.
@@RH_54321 An AI can create the most amazing piece of art you’ve ever experienced, but knowing the intent and emotion behind the creation process will always matter. Humans will never ever be completely replaced in that sense. Just knowing that what you’re experiencing was made by a breathing meatbag just like yourself would allow you to resonate differently. AI-created media will absolutely be a thing, but will never completely replace humans.
AI art is middling at best
@@RH_54321 If they get that conscious, they're not going to be making art for us, but for themselves, and eachother, if at all.
@@RH_54321 If the AI got that advanced, there'd be no line between them and us. One of those huge human quantifiable data points is the emotional intent and experience. If the AI could perfectly copy that, it's no longer an AI, it's a person, and then we're just getting into scifi scenarios. If an AI had my exact capacity to lend intent and meaning and style and imperfection to art, I wouldn't feel "replaced" I'd just think of it as a fellow artist.
Zach makes a good point with AI: either we shape the computer, or else the computer will shape us
31:06
I feel like if I was in that situation I would study how escalators worked so I would be able to recognize if they weren't functioning safely.
Free climbers probably have the most resilient minds. Them and astronauts.
I usually don’t watch tv shows anymore but I kept seeing clips from the show that genuinely made me laugh. So I had to check out the show. All I can say is that I need more of it now!
My argument about the AI art stuff is whether an AI is capable of artistry. Is it capable of self expression? A lot of this AI art stuff we have now boils down to "create ______ in the style of _______" but could an AI create its own style? Could an AI paint Starry Night if Van Gogh didn't already exist? Also, if AI does create art, movies, books, video games whatever would it even be motivated by artistry or would it be motivated and designed to create based solely on profit motives? Sure maybe an AI could make the best work of art every made that hits an emotional core that has never been tapped, but would a general audience even want to watch that and thus would an AI even bother creating it? I feel like an AI would create things that appealed to the most people possible and try to appeal to modern trends over artistry which just seems like the world we live in today. I really think an AI would basically just create the equivalent of the modern Marvel movies or Call of Duty/Fortnite, so in a weird way I don't think a lot would change in regards to the quality of art. I feel like independent artists would find a way, but I think a lot of artists in professional fields like Hollywood or AAA game development losing their jobs would be the main casualty.
a lot of good insights into the creative process here. It always helps to hear other artist's struggles or boons. It's easy to get overwhelmed and the advice helps with motivation, if nothing else. I especially love the advice on consuming more knowledge or real world experiences. It's super obvious and you hear it all the time, but their perspective on avoiding the genre you want to create seems like such tangible advice, much more so than generic motivational shit like "just do it" or "never give up".
One of my questions for AI is will it be able to create something new? will it take risks with an idea? Or will it be the cliche machine that only does what worked before
I like when funny voice guy and regular voiced guys get along
rotoscope guy is the best character he needs more screen time in season 2
I cant stand the other guys but Zach is great as always
This made my day in the most genuine way
I agree with how no matter how perfectly good AI could make things, it will still lack the personal connection. A song I really like is Hurt, but not the original Nine Inch Nails one. I really like the Johnny Cash cover and I think a good part of it is because of his connection he made with it and how he knew at that point how close to the end he was.
I clicked this video for a "ha ha funny" moment, and left with an existential crisis
So weird that I just started rewatching these Zach episodes again 3 days ago. Delighted to have a 5th one!
I was on TH-cam for 10 years and never broke 300 subs. Listened to all of the Create Unknown episodes with Zach, made a new channel, and almost as if it was fate I just applied for partner earlier today as this is uploaded. Thank you guys so much, I genuinely think each episode was important for getting me in the right mindset.
Atta boy Cole
hell yeah brother
You might even say… that you’re invested?
@@matthias1598 in the 3rd podcast they do mention dividends and compound interest from goals I think, it caught my ear 👀
Another example of TH-cam gore was the cliff diver who split his face open on a rock.
I like that Zach referred to OneyPlays as a video he did with a friend of his.
With the exposure therapy talk and Zach’s example, I was attacked by dogs when I was 4 and it wasn’t until I was 21 that I got over my fear of dogs. Just slowly overtime I got exposed to them and if I’d been properly exposed to them in a safe environment things could have been a lot better
I need a PsychicPebbles x Rick Beato Collab
I'm desperate for more smiling friends, need season 2
Thanks to a Simpsons commentary track explaining a short Itchy and Scratchy cartoon referencing Fritz the Cat I found R. Crumb and his work.
Have you seen crumb
i see, so what you're saying is, the green potion in smiling friends was 100% inspired from ptomaine poisoning and jimmy carters infamous "peanut milk" farm. it's all coming together. (little side note i realized i wanted to say, having watched a lot of other things with zach in it definitely gives a funnier perspective on the little things, like the "we do things a LITTLE differently" line for instance. refer to a certain oneyplays left for dead episode for that one!)
I've always had this thought about free will and how it's not always our choice to do something because everyone is interacting with each other in the entire world either personal or digital and these interactions that basically pinball bouncing off each other are affecting someone's life without knowing it and when a choice is made is it really because of your choice or the situation that has led up to that decision being made
What Zach said about how it's become too easy to avoid facing hardships in the world really struck a chord with me. The problem is that there are joys in life that are nearly impossible to experience without first experiencing some amount of stress, fear, discomfort or pain (i.e. asking someone out, adventuring, raising children, creating something artistic) and, if given the option of some safer, cheaper simulations of those experiences (i.e. consuming Netflix, porn, social media, video games etc.), many people will simply stick with those and never go for what will give them real fulfilment in life.
If I had a pim or charlie plush I would treat them as my own and give them a good squeeze is all I'm sayin'
Idk, like 40% of this is them talking about images we cant see
That's what podcasts are
Yeah those vids where people explode into pulp are insane.
Everyone has a dream of there teeth falling off!?
What age do I expect this dream?
I've never had that dream 0.0
Zach has such a beautiful mind, I want to kiss it softly and cradle it in my arms